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do. not. offend. anyone. 31 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, California / Pacific Coast, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.

san gregorio state beach

San Gregorio State Beach, along Highway 1

I went hunting to see what I could find on this issue that I keep hearing, like mosquitos in the night, about first one beach, then the next, but not catching hold of what is going on…

This story is about San Onofre Beach in Orange Co… the description sounds not unlike San Gregorio above, south of SF… sheltered by cliffs and not a big beach… and traditionally clothing optional. Mixed sexes, mixed sexual orientation – and a full mix of what people wear, or don’t wear…

Stearns said some rangers who work at the beach have complained recently about being exposed to a “sexually charged” environment. The state needs to be mindful or may face lawsuits, he said.

Sexually charged atmosphere? All I can say to the Park Service staff is:

Dude, it’s California It’s life, it’s the BEACH….

san grregorio evening

San Gregorio Beach Evening [Saurabh Deoras]


I am pretty sure that to avoid offending, it may be necessary to stop breathing.

What ever we do, mustn’t hinder the rise of the petty authoritarians (beach restrictions) nor laugh at the political rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat… of either side.



1. aemd - 31 July 2008

From the last post (a day late and a buck short, as usual)…

#6 BP… Damn, now I’m gonna be real disappointed if Kaine doesn’t make the VP runoff. ObamaKaine is just too good to go unmined.

BTW, Ms Cat, very nice pics, links and commentary… for quite the while. Glad to see the fires, quakes and smoke hasn’t bin too much.

WooHoo popcorn. 😉

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008
3. wilfred - 31 July 2008

LOL, Lordy help us. NBC just signed Luke Russert (straight out of college!) as an on-air correspondent, nice graduation present. If only he was assigned to cover other doughy fratboys and the nepotism beat……

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008
5. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008
6. marisacat - 31 July 2008

hmm madman emailed me the link. billmon is posting at Dkos.


look who’s back

We is victims! Again! Of the Rovians!! Of the vampyre descendents of Lee Atwater!

Smart people should get tired of the scheisse that passes for the Democratic party. AND of their media mouthpieces.

They really should

7. marisacat - 31 July 2008


He was publicly angling for a job with, as he put it, The Peacock” ONE week after old Dad died the death.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008

Palestinians: IDF troops wound 9 at boy’s funeral in West Bank

Israel Defense Forces troops wounded nine Palestinians in the West Bank city of Ramallah on Wednesday in a clash with protesters at the funeral of a 11-year-old boy killed a day earlier, Palestinian medics said.

They said the troops had shot the casualties with rubber bullets while fighting stone-throwing protesters. A 18-year-old Palestinian was hit in the head by a rubber bullet and doctors described him as brain dead.

An initial Border Police investigation has found that Ahmed Moussa , 11, who was killed at a West Bank protest on Tuesday, died from a live round fired by one of the security force’s troops.

Ahmed Moussa died during a confrontation with Israeli security forces on Tuesday in the West Bank village of Na’alin. Villagers have been protesting for months against Israel’s separation fence.

The Border Police concluded its initial probe into the incident on Wednesday morning.

Also Wednesday, Ramallah governor Said Abu Ali said an autopsy showed that the 11-year-old was shot by live fire. Moussa’s autopsy was conducted Wednesday in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

Abu Ali said the autopsy indicated that the boy was struck by a bullet from an M16 rifle.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008
10. bayprairie - 31 July 2008

And so castles made of sand
melts into the sea,

The Democrats & National Security
By Samantha Power

11. wilfred - 31 July 2008

Nightline was doing a promo for tomorrow night’s show. They are profiling the new mayor of Philadelphia who is allowing cops there to ‘stop and frisk anyone who even looks suspicious’. Of course the cameras were on blacks as they voiced-over that. Ugh.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2008

Peter Gabriel was a founding member of Witness, which is a group that works to document video of human rights abuses all over the world.

13. Intermittent Bystander - 31 July 2008

Mighty purty coastline you got out there.

14. Intermittent Bystander - 31 July 2008

8 – Without even clicking the link, that sounds promising.

15. lucid - 31 July 2008

Hey guys… been so busy of late. If anyone is in the region, We’re playing the Unicity Festival in Middletown Delaware this Saturday. John Waters is doing a one man show & […] The Fixx is headlining – ‘One thing leads to another’ and all that. But it is a great festival with over 100 acts, musical, perfomance art, stage, etc.

If you’re in driving distance come on by. We’re playing the ‘High Art Stage’ at 8:45pm.

I posted a poem at dkos earlier.. a poem from here – I’m not gonna get into a crazy thread there, I was just interested in how they’d respond now…

16. marisacat - 31 July 2008

bay and Madman…

Out of Moderation! Sorry for the delay…


17. marisacat - 31 July 2008



I found it interesting … NBC evening news did a longish segment on the 100 small video cameras given to the Palestinians… nd they ran the segment the night ob ws in Israel.

And NBC showed two incidents (might have been three) very partial to the Pals. One was goat herders, moving their flock from one part of their land to another (and one of the sons carrying one f the vid cameras), only to find a SINGLE settler tent on the land and to be told by mil their land was not theirs anymore.

Interesting. Pretty rare for a segment so accurate.

18. lucid - 31 July 2008

#12 – another reason why Peter Gabriel is one of my greatest heroes. He even squeeked through pop-stardom for a time without selling out his political beliefs.

19. diane - 31 July 2008

Could the reason for this Bush approves execution of U.S. Army private (for twenty year old crimes).

Be this Sex Assaults Against Women in Military ‘Epidemic’ GAO Report: Sexual Assaults and Rapes in Military Under-Reported by Half, and most certainly this non-reported issue: Is There an Army Cover-Up of …. Murder of Women Soldiers? (repeat of a link I posted a few months back, apologies), which is a lenghty piece dealing with non-‘battlefield’ atrocities against females in the military, including this: Suicide or Murder? Three Years After the Death of Pfc. LaVena Johnson in Iraq, Her Parents Continue Their Call for a Congressional Investigation, in addition to

In addition to the fact that Bush misses publicly giving an execution order…

Thought so……

I can hear that twisted fuck giggling……

20. diane - 31 July 2008

Care to call for a fucking investigation Mrs. McCain and Obama????

or too busy going for that prize while on the public’s dime?

yeah, thought so….

21. Intermittent Bystander - 31 July 2008

Yo lucid! Huzzah!

One of these days I hope to meet you in the city.

22. marisacat - 31 July 2008

well that is the thing… I followed the Canadian NAFTA flap w/r/t Obama, HOWEVER the reality is that both ob and Hill were going to sell thenationa out in trade deals.

No question.

Same thing with the troops. Neither McCain NOR ObRama care abut the troops.

in 04 one of the selling pts Ob used for the senate run was, send me to congress, I WANT to serve on the Veterans Affairs commmittee. HE BARELY ATTENDED. He blew off all of his committee assignments. As it happens.

Tho when Wapo revealed (ha! as if it was news) the conditions at Walter Reed, it also was reported that at the pay phone in the worst wing, were inked tel numbers for aides to BOTH McC and Ob, as they BOTH were contacts for Veterans issues.

23. diane - 31 July 2008


Corrected link: Is There an Army Cover-Up of …. Murder of Women Soldiers? (sorry)

Goodnight all, sweet dreams…..

24. diane - 31 July 2008


I’m hoping that young woman’s parents light a storm under all the corrupt asses, what was done to their daughter and covered up by those fuckers is unpardonable….

goodnight again, sleep tight…sweet dreams

25. lucid - 31 July 2008

I posted a poem at dkos earlier.. a poem from here – I’m not gonna get into a crazy thread there, I was just interested in how they’d respond now…

And then there was none… funny.

26. wu ming - 1 August 2008

another morsel from hersh: cheney discussion proposed staging false flag friendly fire attack for iran war casus belli:

There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

what amazes me is that they didn’t try this one.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

How could I forget!!

::Smacks head. . . .::

Naked sun-seeker impaled by spike .

(What can I say . . . I was raised on Maurice Sendak, Agatha Christie, and Edward Gorey.)

28. lucid - 1 August 2008

Why do you think I can’t stop listening to Joni, Wu? The crass acceptances of the upper class come with the same lies – why it never raises an eyebrow…

29. marisacat - 1 August 2008

I love Joni Mitchell… (is that who you meant?)

I saw her a few months ago on Tavis Smiley, a great wonderful interview… and Madman found it on YouTube.


30. marisacat - 1 August 2008


LOL add Shirley Jackson to that list………………. My motehr read all her short stories fiction, so I picked them up too.

31. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

22 – Tsk tsk tsk!

32. lucid - 1 August 2008

I was listening to ‘Hissing’… before that I has the ‘Silence and Light’ version of ‘Woodstock’ repeating on the turntable, with me needing to get up each time to repeat it…

These are my most listened to albums… with some patti and jorma thrown in, and the occasional pj harvey thrown in…

I put on Joni for hours… and get lost, because it seems the most pertinent critique of our lives… still… at least mine.

33. lucid - 1 August 2008

Great Joni vid… the antenna are up… always.

34. marisacat - 1 August 2008

Oh Brave New World. LOL, Aldous nowhere in sight, however….

I hd missed the original story in Wired… AND don’t miss the comment about “abortionettes”. Wonder why he ever posted here. Must have been a painful experience for him. Scarred for life, no doubt. Oh my!

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 August 2008

Interesting. Pretty rare for a segment so accurate.

The media loves pictures, and those pictures are compelling. I think it could be a very effective program. People don’t know/believe how the Israelis treat the Palestinians.

36. marisacat - 1 August 2008

hmm one of the evening news (forgt which) showed that point blank, close range shooting of a handcuffed palestinian with a rubber bullet, as well, just last night.

37. wilfred - 1 August 2008

great choice Lucid, Joni is my all-time favorite.

38. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

Ain’t this peculiar . . .

US anthrax ‘suspect’ found dead. (BBC)

A top US scientist suspected of anthrax attacks in 2001 has apparently killed himself just as he was about to be charged, a newspaper reported.

The Los Angeles Times said government scientist Bruce Ivins, 62, had taken an overdose of painkillers.

The paper said that he had recently been told of the impending prosecution. The US justice department has not yet commented on the report.

39. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

Anthrax Suspect Commits Suicide
Official: U.S. Sought Death Penalty Against Top Biodefense Researcher For 2001 Attacks

A U.S. official says federal prosecutors investigating the 2001 anthrax attacks had planned to seek indictment and the death penalty against a top U.S. biodefense researcher who apparently committed suicide.

The Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against the scientist, 62-year-old Bruce E. Ivins, a leading military anthrax researcher who worked for the past 18 years at the government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md.

::snip snip snip::

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity because grand jury matters are secret, said the Justice Department was closing in on Ivins and had made the decision to seek the death penalty.

Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital in Maryland. The Times, quoting an unidentified colleague, said the scientist had taken a massive dose of a prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine.

:::snip snip snip:::

Norman Covert, a retired Fort Detrick spokesman who served with Ivins on an animal-care and protocol committee, said Ivins was “a very intent guy” at their meetings.

Ivins was the co-author of numerous anthrax studies, including one on a treatment for inhalation anthrax published in the July 7 issue of the journal Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy.

Quite a bit of detail about spore sampling, etc.

40. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

Norman Covert???

41. JJB - 1 August 2008

It appears the Pakistani spook service was directly involved in the deadly bombing of India’s embassy in Kabul:

American intelligence agencies have concluded that members of Pakistan’s powerful spy service helped plan the deadly July 7 bombing of India’s embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, according to United States government officials.

The conclusion was based on intercepted communications between Pakistani intelligence officers and militants who carried out the attack, the officials said, providing the clearest evidence to date that Pakistani intelligence officers are actively undermining American efforts to combat militants in the region.

The American officials also said there was new information showing that members of the Pakistani intelligence service were increasingly providing militants with details about the American campaign against them, in some cases allowing militants to avoid American missile strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

Concerns about the role played by Pakistani intelligence not only has strained relations between the United States and Pakistan, a longtime ally, but also has fanned tensions between Pakistan and its archrival, India. Within days of the bombings, Indian officials accused the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, of helping to orchestrate the attack in Kabul, which killed 54, including an Indian defense attaché.

This week, Pakistani troops clashed with Indian forces in the contested region of Kashmir, threatening to fray an uneasy cease-fire that has held since November 2003.

The New York Times reported this week that a top Central Intelligence Agency official traveled to Pakistan this month to confront senior Pakistani officials with information about support provided by members of the ISI to militant groups. It had not been known that American intelligence agencies concluded that elements of Pakistani intelligence provided direct support for the attack in Kabul.

Pakistan really has proved itself to be a steadfast, loyal ally hasn’t it?

As to Mr. Anthrax’s alleged suicide (overdose of Tylenol with codeine, according to a report I heard this AM), that’s one of the most convenient deaths since Lee Harvey Oswald’s, isn’t it? There doesn’t seem to be much information available, as this NY Times story indicates, and I do find it curious that he’s been dead for 3 days and we’re only finding out about it now.

42. JJB - 1 August 2008

Comment in Moderation, I think.

43. NYCee - 1 August 2008

Madman, your link didnt fly.

Will do over. And read in a bit.

Imperialism With a Black Face

44. JJB - 1 August 2008

Was just reminded of something I noticed while watching a short bit of McCain on TV this AM. He was at some campaign rally or other, one with a Town Hall Meeting setup, with the studio arranged In-The-Round. He was addressing the crowd, and at one point turned his back completely to the main camera, and stayed that way for something like 10-15 seconds, offering a splendid view of his less than svelte body from the worst possible angle, and with the very large bald spot on the crown of his head glinting in the studio lights. This man’s been running for President for the better part of the last ten years, and he apparently can’t even remember to hit his marks.

From what I’ve seen, Prince Chunk has a better sense of how to play to the camera than McCain does.

45. NYCee - 1 August 2008

Good digging, Mcat! (#22) 🙂

I have something re MSM I/P and OB coverage, too. Also surprising, given the norm. May post it as a diary, but my god, the ObamaLuv is in such foamy explosive defense mode (all hands on deck, enemy fire, racist Britney ad!, etc) that it really has no chance of ringing the tiniest of awakening bells or not attracting the mudslide of denial and accusation. Cant compete with 5-Alarm call to the pack, the herd, the school … of fish. So why bother.

46. NYCee - 1 August 2008

Obama got challenged by black group at a town hall, for not addressing black community concerns (Katrina, Jena, etc). Held up banner saying so, crowd got loud and raucus (Obama Clones stood up to counter, chanting Yes We Can!!!) Obama quelled the noise and said theyd have a chance to speak, ask their question later: This is democracy, folks! I have to go forward on tivo to see that Q&A, how it turned out, as I had rewound.

Well, yes. And if he deigns to have a freewheeling town hall debate with McCain, that will be more democracy. It’s messier, harder to control these things. I cant imagine he’s looking forward to what’s on the menu in days to come. He cant do more overseas jaunts or big rallies. The small scene is really not his favorite venue.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

HuffPo and RawStory are all over McCain’s $500 Ferragamo shoes. (Elitist top-hat tip to kraant at pff.)

Prince Chunk are serious cat.

48. NYCee - 1 August 2008

#43 McCain is pathetic and has been, in so many ways. Quite a few Kossacks never seemed to get the memo until he (gasp!) hugged Bush! Lol.

Billmon returned and made a big splash at DK last night. Had a post on McCain, how bad he really is.
Oh, I do so agree.

However, what I found so funny, in all the antiMcCain venom by the Kos army these days, is that that very same site was McSmitten bigtime in 2004 with the idea of McCain as Kerry’s Veep. When you take the approximately 1/3 that were hot to trot with him on the ticket, pushing and promoting pro-McCain propaganda, and then add on all those who could be easily convinced to come along, to play that game to WIN, well, if he had joined the ticket, the numbers wouldve ballooned to a deluge.

But what a difference a year makes! (Election year) Now he’s enemy #1 – They just do not see themselves —

Billmon’s post derides (accurately), with examples, the media being fooled by McCain, giving him undeserved “Maverick” credit, when he is really a typical self serving pol. Kossacks typically deride the MSM, too, as they are so much wiser. Well, they were duped and/or knowingly pimping McCain – on a “progressive, anti Iraq war” blog, no less! – just like the media, and the media doesnt even tag itself “progessive” or ProDem (I mean, he was an R).

Billmon’s post failed to make mention of this curiosity, this oddity, did not retrieve it from the Memory Hole. I did a search and found a tremendous amount of such diaries and comments, including the pushback from folks rightly horrified by the idea.

Anyway…. Here’s a link to my comment (I included “parent” to which I responded, so you have to scroll a bit) amidst all the BillmonLuv and 2008McCainHate.

(An inconvenient truth coughed up from a thoroughly disgusted Memory Hole!)


49. marisacat - 1 August 2008

NYCee and JJB out of moderation… sorry! for the delay….


50. marisacat - 1 August 2008


As to Mr. Anthrax’s alleged suicide (overdose of Tylenol with codeine, according to a report I heard this AM), that’s one of the most convenient deaths since Lee Harvey Oswald’s, isn’t it?

Yes I thought so too… when I first heard of the ”suicide”.

51. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

That was JJB, not I. Well put, though!


52. marisacat - 1 August 2008

sorry IB and JJB

Not really awake yet………………

53. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

NYCee at 48 – Bravo for that. Liked the mullet joke, too.

Perfect for DK, too – business up front, and party in the back!

54. NYCee - 1 August 2008

#53, IB

Thanks! It felt good to say what I said. It felt bad to not say it. (The mullet was a gift that dropped down!)

Have been having a reasonable back and forth there and elsewhere, with a few decent sorts, despite the diaries dropping out of sight.


55. marisacat - 1 August 2008

Meet the Press: Sens. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman. [jususfcking chrst: we never get rid of them —Mcat]

Face the Nation: McCain adviser Carly Fiorina and ex-Treasury Sec. Robert Rubin.

This Week: Speaker Nancy Pelosi and ex-Gov. Tom Ridge.

Fox News Sunday: Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Late Edition: Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, Undersec. of State for Public Diplomacy Jim Glassman, Obama adviser Laura Tyson, McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer, Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling.

56. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

Oh goodie, Tom Ridge! The first head of our heckofajob Office of Homeland Security!

Maybe Ridge can shed some light on Fort Detrick’s little anthrax, er, scandal, and the unnamed sources at Fort Detrick who supplied a patently false story about bentonite traces to ABC News, so that Brian Ross and Peter Jennings could helpfully propagate the notion that Saddam was trying to poison our mailstream, media, and legislators just in time to whip up enthusiasm for war with Iraq!

Hat tip to cometman for the Glenn Greenwald link.

57. Intermittent Bystander - 1 August 2008

Fort Detrick/ABC News disinfo campaign in moderation, I think!

58. marisacat - 1 August 2008

ugh I caught the Ivins’Fort Detrick segment on TNH… it strikes me [again] as a huge fucked up mess. Now we are helpfully supplied information that he was always HOMICIDAL. Always a danger. Extensive reports forthcoming from his mental health (?) whatevers. And clearly had a high security clearance for many years.

Sooo convenient.

ION (In other news) i answered a true/false quiz on Prince Chunk/Princess/Powder completely correctly. I guess I can hide in the excuse of efficient multitasking.

59. ms_xeno - 1 August 2008

…If you examine the archives, from the very beginning Obama was quite clear that his nouveau approach to politrix was all about recognizing the mutual humanity of right-wing populist cranks and liberal-centrist tweedy NGO-ites and splitting the difference between them (in terms of image-crafting) in the lofty name of “restoring civil discourse.” Well, where does that get you? Defending “good wars” that honor principles “we can all agree on” (routing “intolerant” madrassa-goers in the Hindu Kush) and “welfare reform” that restores the “proper balance” between “opportunity and responsibility” (I can just hear the Man from Hope’s sugary, unctuous drawl). It’s nothing new, just another gratuitous nail in the coffin of long-deceased New Dealism, studded with the conceit that more than 15 years after the collapse of state socialism and the messy schemes of Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz the U.S. remains the “indispensable power.” — gluelicker at SMBIVA 7/30/08

Pardon me. Just shedding a quick tear of joy before returning to the mines. Carry on.

60. marisacat - 1 August 2008

Greider in The Nation, driving home catastrophe:

The gravest danger is that the national economy will weaken further and spiral downward into a negative cycle that feeds on itself: as conditions darken, people hunker down and wait for the storm to pass–consumers stop buying, banks stop lending, producing companies cut their workforces. That feeds more defaulted loan losses back into the banking system’s balance sheets. This vicious cycle is essentially what led to the Great Depression after the stock market crash of 1929.

I offer not a prediction but a warning. The comparison may sound farfetched now, but US policy-makers and politicians are putting us at risk of historic deflationary forces that, once they take hold, are very difficult to reverse.

61. wilfred - 1 August 2008

Olbermann just aired a clip from David Letterman in October of 2001. In it McCain talks about the anthrax letters and states that information is suggesting that Iraq may be behind it and action may have to be taken. So nice to have evidence of him beating the drum that early for this hideous war.

62. NYCO - 1 August 2008

Everybody remember the guy who posted instructions on making a paper-mache pig out of the Koran? The founder of PABAAH, Patriotic Americans Boycotting Anti-American Hollywood?

The member of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists who was publicly challenged to shut up or enlist?

It seems that after four years of stateside service, he’s shipping out for Iraq. Oops, guess the Army needs even him at this late stage in the game.


Frankly, I don’t want to see one more guy get his arm or leg shot off over there, not even him.

63. NYCO - 1 August 2008

am I in moderation?

64. marisacat - 1 August 2008

Sorry NYCO, the comment fell into the Spam File, I just got it out…

65. diane - 1 August 2008

Marisa, Lucid, et al………

Yeah love Joni,

speaking of which, does anyone know who the male is who put out River so beautifully? Heard it on the radio a few years back, it was haunting…I couldn’t find out who it was….

Intermittent Bystander, Marisa, et al……

suicide…well okay…

another addition to a seemingly large death toll of prominent microbiologists in the past 7 years….

Though not a microbiologist, Casey, the tumor and Bethesda, pop up in my mind….


NYCee, a few threads back, you’re welcome, I hope you feel much better!

It occurred to me later that I should have mentioned in my post, an interesting recent experience with tooth pain. When the pain got really bad and the orajel stopped working, I took Tylenol, when the pain still didn’t subside, I took vicodine that I had never used from a prior prescription. The pain still didn’t subside, so the next day, remembering that a doctor had told me to take Ibuprofin for a hematoma from some stitches, I took that and it worked. I suspect that the Tylenol and its stronger acetaminophen relative, Vicodin, didn’t work because they don’t do much for inflamation… not sure why that’s not prominently noted on the Ibuprofen bottle, but in that instance it worked far better than the Vicodine. Now I feel like an ass for not having noted that, but it it just slipped my mind.


message to myself

it’s misters, not mrs….jeez

….The Madman hangs in fancy homes,
They wouldn’t let him near!
He’d piss in their fireplace,
He’d drag them through turbulent indigo….

Joni Mitchell

66. marisacat - 2 August 2008

Now the City wants the garbage collectors to monitor our recycling. Individual home recycling (we get issued three garbage bins, garbage, recycle and organic waste). The garbage police. I feel exhausted, every day for weeks there is proposals or legislation or the Board of Supes passes or takes up or or or or or to monitor, ticket, fine.

Fortunately Nor-Cal waste indicates they don’t want to do it. But I suspect they would if they get a big raise in fees they can charge.

67. marisacat - 2 August 2008

btw, organic arugula is 1.99 for about 2/3 of an oz Not at Whole Foods but in the organic section at Safeway (selling bridges)

In case Ob needs to be in the know the next time he is out here, explaining he really does not mean it about today’s offer of compromise on off shore drilling.

Luv to be a fly on the wall when he finds a way to recycle THAT trash..

Gallup has them even in daily tracking. 44/44 (FWIW, NTIM)

68. marisacat - 2 August 2008

St Petersburg Times:

“And when I am president,” Obama said in June in Chicago, “I will keep the moratorium in place and prevent oil companies from drilling off Florida’s coasts. That’s how we can protect our coasts and still make the investments that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and bring down gas prices for good.”

This morning, Obama said this: “So what I want to do is just to make sure that we are putting together the kind of comprehensive plan that is going to work. And if you have a package that is offshore drilling only, which is essentially what Bush and McCain have been emphasizing, then I think that that is not going to solve the problem and I would be opposed to that.”

Myself I do not think St Ob flipped or flopped. I DO think he lied thru his teeth with the earlier comment. At the core of his games IS energy. Exelon breathes too close to his lungs (Axelrod) and he dishes the clean coal bullshit so easily. Too long habituated to the ethanol games (Illinois)

Such a leader:

If Obama were to formally embrace the plan, it would go a long way toward making passage possible this fall. One key reason Democrats in the Senate and House have been reluctant to support Republican challenges to allow more offshore drilling has been Obama’s opposition. Congressional leaders of either party are unlikely to take a position on any major policy that runs counter to their presidential candidate’s views.

69. diane - 2 August 2008


Now, now marisa…if Gavin’s hired help can put the potato peels in the $1,000 composter, peel the paper off the cans, clean all plastic glass and metal, take a bus to the mercury recycler with the used, mercury filled energy saver bulbs, put the tonnage of AT&T solications in the paper bin ………so can the rest of the low lifes in San Francisco, after all many of them are unemployed with plenty time on their hands.

I see pretty boy is pumping up for the guvship, read somewhere that the google boyz provided the jets as shuttles for the wedding affair…no cronyism there…doo know evil….

70. diane - 2 August 2008

….Brash fields, crude crows,
in a scary sky…..
….. no mercy sweet jesus,
no mercy from turbulent indigo….

Joni Mitchell

71. cad - 2 August 2008

Of course, after Arnie’s termination of state employees, somebody from the Daily Kos finallly notices the site’s lack of attention. The reason? Markos voted for Arnold along with other phony pwogs on that site. They’re ashamed to speak out now.

Repeat: Markos voted for Arnold. That’s why he won’t criticize him.
Still a Republican sockpuppet after all these years.

72. cad - 2 August 2008
73. diane - 2 August 2008

How are you doing cad? I hope well…

whom would one expect a petulent selfish boy with a short boy’s complex to vote for other than a penis worshiping fascist who’s idea of constructive criticism is to to call someone a female……….

74. diane - 2 August 2008

and as anyone in Cali, surely must see, the new, most talked about contenders for guvship in one of the largest economies in the world, Newsom, Villarega, Carly? [spelling likely wrong] have no regard, nor understanding for things ‘female’…things which both males and females, who are balanced, encompass …..

75. wu ming - 2 August 2008

no sense buying arugula, the stuff is an incredibly hardy weed. it came through the 15 degree freeze last winter without batting an eye. the cost of a seed packet’s less than a buck.

incredible profit margin for the grocery store. i wonder how long until they start selling dandelion greens for 2 buck a bunch?

76. wu ming - 2 August 2008

i’d say garamendi and brown are the front runners, at this point, although the race isn’t really doing much yet.

77. marisacat - 2 August 2008

I think in an earlier era Gavin would think that some of his escapades would bar hm from the Governorship, but then he has the sterling example of Arnold.

I find the whole thing entirely incestuous… There is no one coming up for governor I would vote for… I get the sense, because he aslways seems utterly drained of energy, that Villaraigosa knows he would be barred by the ptb (my guess is someone has a lot more on him than indiscreet inflagrante delicto)… Jerry Brown wants it, but I feel certain he OK’d the rubber bullets used on demonstrators in Oakland in 03 (and I think Villaraigosa, tho in Mexico City at the time, OK’d MacArthur Park in LA, May Day 2007, thnk it was).

They all jsut revolve from one elected office to the next out here… I likie term limits as it has them on the run and nervous, but they do just play a form of square dance minuet.

Carly ugh. One of the most painful TV 30 minutes I ever saw was she and MacCaskill on MTP a couple of weeks ago with Brokaw. Two tense women smiling a lot. God, it was awful.

78. NYCO - 2 August 2008

Re mandatory recycling in SF:

Syracuse, N.Y. has a recycling rate comparable to San Francisco’s (ie, around 70%) but there has never been any talk of “trash police” just in the interest of squeezing out another 15% of success. The state agency in charge of recycling for our area has worked too long at gaining community acceptance and good will. Sounds like SF is on the verge of blowing theirs?

79. marisacat - 2 August 2008

I love dandelion leaves for salad…

i forgot about garamendi… another eternal candidate.

80. diane - 2 August 2008

speakin of delicious weeds marisa, I guess Cali doesn’t have any Lady’s Lace (common name, I forget the latin, but it’s in the once named ubelliferae (had to look that focker up :0) ) family), wild carrot – has a purple black floret [sic?] right in the center of an umbrella of finely detailed, bone colored florets, the root tastes exactly like a carrot, it’s likely the carrot parent….something to know when the shit gets really bad, what one can eat by the wayside……

I guess they do have an abundance of dog’s weed though, wild fennel…yum yum licorice (jeez, had to look that up too), spaghetti (who proclaimed that fucking spelling?) sauce sprinkle………

interesting wu, from what I’ve caught, the country outside of Cali are mostly hearing about the above three I mentioned…

…Brown…there’s an interesting subject….Jerry and Willie both…my mind just hopped to Joan Didions white book and the Governer’s mansion…J. Brown strikes me as having become rather militaristic…..
no more Blue Bayou I guess….

Off to listen to Roy Orbison, I love the way he sings that tune…….


81. marisacat - 2 August 2008

hmmm asking prices on homes in Richmond CA (part of the contiguous mass of habitation in the inner East Bay) has fallen 49%. Ouch.

82. diane - 2 August 2008

the horrifying thing about foreclosures is that most folks don’t realize that they won’t get a dime of the money they sunk into an obscenely overvalued piece of reality in order not to be beholden to an extortionist landlord, and be given some ‘respect’ for being a ‘responsible home owner,’ and raising their family by the ‘USA standard,’ …..no matter what the bank retrieves…… and the bank always sees fit that they get theirs – no matter how frivolously the bank flushes it down the commode….

83. marisacat - 2 August 2008

tight money for vehicles/leasing/buying/financing too… I heard the other day that quite a few showrooms have let cleaning staff (I assume usually a contract night janitorial service) go, and salesmen and other staff have to do it.

84. diane - 2 August 2008

well don’t ya know marisa, the citizenry should all be riding bikes while all our politicians and green Gore jet/rocket across the earth/galaxies surveilling the hideous landscape they had a large hand in creating….the pedestrian and bicyclist unfriendly, creepy, cold, nano-second world they worship..and thrive in…

85. diane - 2 August 2008

Richie Havens – Handsome Johnny Woodstock 1969

Please order, or go out among your fellow humans, at the last remaining music store in your vicinity, and try to order the CD…..musicians should be paid for what they provide us with, not yoootooob/google………..

86. diane - 2 August 2008


just visited Richies website…can’t lay blame…but Obama is headlined ….I have no room to talk I was enthralled with Clinton after Poppy….

87. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

i wonder how long until they start selling dandelion greens for 2 buck a bunch?

hole fuuudeaux already does that. what a corporate joke. if you’re like me you pick all u want in your back yard.

nobody needs them shipped in from a 1000 miles away.

88. marisacat - 2 August 2008

oh well Havens will say something inapprorpriate and be rejected.

LOL Unloved, by the roadside, an Obama cast off.

what a fucking race.

I saw somewhere today that Ob got off some new version of that imperfect/enemy/good slobber that the wee Koswhacks love to spit up.

Think his was something about [not letting] the best being the opponent of the possible.

I have to hunt it up.

89. diane - 2 August 2008

errm bayprarie, not everyone can pick them from their back yard hon.

jus sayin…millions of apartment dwellers can’t even legally hang their clothes out on a line in public view, to save energy, let alone cultivate dandelions in backyards that are walled off from any life sustaining light (in apartments that appear to be deliberately built so that one can’t possibly be green – Al Gore, what say you? as if you fuckin knew, even though you own prime realty in a land filled with apartment ‘dwellers’)……let alone dandelion laws!

Certainly the only thing apartment dwellers seem able to grow, without even putting any effort into it, is deadly mold

not that I’ll be buying any argula at $20 a pound any time soon

90. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

hey 89.

mine grow wild. there is no cultivation only the harvest.

i just like to pick.



thats about as deep as it gets.

you deal with visioning “millions of apartment dwellers”. im not about to.

91. diane - 2 August 2008

hey 90

my point is people may well be like you :

… if you’re like me you pick all u want in your back yard.

but they certainly can’t always pick their back yard

and if they’re wild and uncultivated, …they’re certainly….not yours….even if they aren’t wild and uncultivated, that doesn’t mean they’re yours…”harvest”er…..

…mine grow wild. there is no cultivation only the harvest.

you sound mighty special hon

92. diane - 2 August 2008

91 continued

as a matter of fact hon, you make Bush, Cheney, McCain and Obama , seem quite harmless

93. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

and you sound mighty judgmental.

thats fine.

im fine with who i am.

94. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

guess its nice being missus jesus christ and having all the answers.

right hun?

95. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

as a matter of fact hon, you make Bush, Cheney, McCain and Obama , seem quite harmless

im the worlds great evil!!!!!

96. artemisia - 2 August 2008

what is your problem? bay was making a simple point…. that dandilions are weeds that grow and spread often despite the best efforts of the chem lawn people.

as for the poor oppressed apartment dwellers who can’t hang their clothes out or grow a weed, well, maybe if those things are important to them, they should live somewhere else.

and what does this mean:

….even if they aren’t wild and uncultivated, that doesn’t mean they’re yours…”harvest”er…..

if she has cultivated them in her yard, then yes they are hers to harvest. if they are growing wild and uncultivated in her backyard, they are still hers.

re: bay’s recommendation that we look to locally grown “weeds” to help feed us… how do you equate that with bush and cheney being harmless in comparison????

and what’s with the “hon” hon?

97. diane - 2 August 2008

whatever hon, sounds like you’re another spoiled brat, you’re not alone, seems that tons of them have been cultivated and pawned off on the public at large in the last few decades…..

baby on board….I’m special!…

yeah, right…….

98. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

yep. i was right.




ever point those barrels your way?

you should. they’re hatefully unpleasant.

which tells me a little about you, doesnt it?

99. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

oh dont pay any attention to her marybeth.

just a column of late night hot air.

100. marisacat - 2 August 2008


Bush Cheney and McCain are killers. And Obama wants to be one… More so than just voting the endless money fro the quicksand in the ME desert wars…

So, really, no one here rises to that level. Just a matter of degree…

Mass murder is a long way from strangling the odd wild fennel bush.

[hi artemisia!]

101. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

dandilions are dangerous as well as disabling\

and evil if free!

102. artemisia - 2 August 2008

hey marisa! ::waving:: i’m off to bed… under orders! heehee!

103. diane - 2 August 2008


The matter with me is mercilessness in the guise of the right thing to be…like you, whoever you are “artemesia”……….. nice play on names and subjects…but so what? Since when are well read folk better than any other living being?

104. diane - 2 August 2008

further re:

bay’s recommendation that we look to locally grown “weeds” to help feed us

what a fuckin crock, you’re really stretching her comment, she, like yourself, directly above:

as for the poor oppressed apartment dwellers who can’t hang their clothes out or grow a weed, well, maybe if those things are important to them, they should live somewhere else.

was apparently implying (after reading her first response to me) that anyone who doesn’t have wild weeds in their backyard was a dumbfuck, and just not as special as her….well good luck hons..


105. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

hey 103

nice play on names? heehee. could you be any MORE clueless?


google is your friend


106. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

well i have to say diane.

i haven’t been slandered quite as well as you have done tonight since meteor blades compared me, as well as marisa, and the rest of us who post here as no different than the columbine killers.

you go girl, or should i say missus dandillion.

and you owe me an apology.


107. diane - 2 August 2008

from comment 90:

you deal with visioning “millions of apartment dwellers”. im not about to.

You deal with wanting an apology from me, I’m not about to apologize,…I think you and your toxic wormwood bud, are self serving assholes….


108. bayprairie - 2 August 2008

like i said


109. wu ming - 2 August 2008

now would be about the right time to log off and take a deep breath. this is going nowhere fast.

110. wu ming - 2 August 2008

that was re. 107 and above, but whatever.

how about them edible weeds?

111. NYCee - 3 August 2008

I just followed this thread down to rock bottom (Hey 109, 110!, aka wu ming).

Then I popped back up to the title and saw “do. not. offend. anyone.”


Your clairvoyance is spectacular, Marisa! 🙂

112. marisacat - 3 August 2008


113. NYCee - 3 August 2008


114. NYCee - 3 August 2008

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(I cleaned out my refrigerator today)

115. marisacat - 3 August 2008

New thread……………………..


………. 8) …………….

116. marisacat - 3 August 2008


oh that made me laugh…

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