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Feet to the fire… ?? I say, it’s “feel good”. 5 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

grin, eating shit

This is just so sweet

[S]ince your historic victory in the primary, there have been troubling signs that you are moving away from the core commitments shared by many who have supported your campaign, toward a more cautious and centrist stance—including, most notably, your vote for the FISA legislation granting telecom companies immunity from prosecution for illegal wiretapping, which angered and dismayed so many of your supporters. ::snip::

Further there is a cute, cosy (you too can sign with the fake big leftischers!) invite to come swing on a star, carry moonbeams home in a jar:

Add your name to the Open Letter calling on Barack Obama to stand firm on the principles he so compellingly articulated in the primary campaign.

Take a gander at the mix of names. When Matt Stoller, Jane Hamsher, but also Studs Terkel, and Vidal are all on the same list, the shit is rising. It is plugging the nostrils…. Shit and brains are draining from the fragile ear canals… to say nothing of the murk boiling in the sinuses.

We may be, in reality, drooling shit from all our orifices, but He says we are halfway (Vote for Me, Go all the way!) to Oz.

Stand firm on the principles you have so compellingly articulated, and you may succeed in bringing this country the change you’ve encouraged us to believe is possible.

Beyond weak. Because they know he will do nothing.

All I can really muster in assessment is that they want to notch the tree of life, so later they can return, scrounge up some feel good moment pointing backwards as they say, we did try, we did say we disagreed… I suggest they all start LISPING*, weakly. Impotently. They should lisp in spasm as they vote. Again, for the Democrats.

Even Geraghty at NRO remarked, and what shall they say if he picks Kaine?

It is so predictable I can guess:

Oh we so wish he had picked a pwogwessive, but we know (because Daddy says so) it is important to win VA, and this is the most important election of our lives.

[W]hen it comes to our economy, our security, and the very future of our planet, the choices we make in November and over the next few years will shape the next decade, if not the century. […]

So there is a real choice in this election – a choice about what kind of future we want for this country and this planet. […]

Or we can choose another future. We can decide that we will face the realities of the 21st century by building a 21st century economy. In just a few years, we can watch cars that run on a plug-in battery come off the same assembly lines that once produced the first Ford and the first Chrysler. We can see shuttered factories open their doors to manufacturers that sell wind turbines and solar panels that will power our homes and our businesses. We can watch as millions of new jobs with good pay and good benefits are created for American workers, and we can take pride as the technologies, and discoveries, and industries of the future flourish in the United States of America. We can lead the world, secure our nation, and meet our moral obligations to future generations.

This is the choice that we face in the months ahead. This is the challenge we must meet. This is the opportunity we must seize – and this may be our last chance to seize it. ::snip::

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama—as prepared for delivery
New Energy for America
Michigan State University
Monday, August 4th, 2008
Lansing, Michigan



Michael J Smith over at SMBIVA (the comments are a scream, esp the first and — catch ms_xeno!) tried to find a reason why Vidal signed onto this drool:

But then, down near the bottom — I could weep: Gore Vidal. Surely, surely, if anybody could have been counted on to laugh this beggarly sad-sack kick-me whingery right out of the room, it ought to have been Vidal?

They must have called him in the middle of the night, and not read him the text.

I have loved Vidal, seemingly forever, and can find no excuse for him.

*Yes, right, I did mock a disability. yes I did.



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

Boy, is that depressing.


2. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Pretty much bottom of the barrel. So done.

3. penlan - 5 August 2008

Question: Is Bush globetrotting more than usual this year? A case of “let’s see the world while the taxpayers $ (not dime – inflation) is still paying for it”?

4. marisacat - 5 August 2008

well he is the first US president to attend opening ceremonies of the Olympics. So while the fake importance of his attending was much batted about in the press, there really was no reason for it.

I don’t think he likes globetrotting, but he is doing a lot of it, this year.

5. CSTAR - 5 August 2008

At least on some issues Obama had articulated, clearly enough, what he stands for. Specifically, regarding secularity (your pastor, stupid) and societal support for health and financial risks, the signatories to this appeal clearly weren’t paying attention or were so rapturously in love that they didn’t see any red flags.

6. marisacat - 5 August 2008


They’re idiots, clearly.

7. NYCO - 5 August 2008

Reminds me of that old Robin Williams throwaway line about unarmed British bobbies. “Stop! Or I’ll say ‘stop’ again!”

8. NYCO - 5 August 2008
9. penlan - 5 August 2008

Talk about making yourself look stupid signing the “open letter”. As IF it would make any difference.
And besides there is no truth, hope or change with BO. Been evident from way back. Why are people so blind? Even the “intelligent” ones. Rhetorical question.

10. NYCO - 5 August 2008

Judicious, well-considered statements tend to decrease with increasing status (real or imagined). A lot of these people passed their moments of brilliance some time ago (hey, I know *I* have!), and their past reputations tower over their actual current value as thought leaders for these modern times. I mean, Springsteen endorsing Obama was a minor shark-jumping moment. He should have kept his mouth shut. Fortunately for him he mostly has, since then.

11. marisacat - 5 August 2008


LOL They will yell “Stop!” louder… Bound to work!

12. marisacat - 5 August 2008

yes most of them, frankly all of them, are in a deep rut. For decades.

13. JJB - 5 August 2008

Ron Suskind has written a book being released today that makes some very interesting claims:

A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.

Suskind writes in “The Way of the World,” to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.

The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official “that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”

The letter’s existence has been reported before, and it had been written about as if it were genuine. It was passed in Baghdad to a reporter for The (London) Sunday Telegraph who wrote about it on the front page of Dec. 14, 2003, under the headline, “Terrorist behind September 11 strike ‘was trained by Saddam.’”

The Telegraph story by Con Coughlin (which, coincidentally, ran the day Hussein was captured in his “spider hole”) was touted in the U.S. media by supporters of the war, and he was interviewed on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Novakula has decided to retire, which means I suppose that he’s received what amounts to a death sentence. I know I should feel bad about this, and plan to spend the rest of the day reading John Donne’s Meditation XVII to get myself in what I know is the proper frame of mind:

Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels as gold in a mine and be of no use to him; but this bell that tells me of his affliction digs out and applies that gold to me, if by this consideration of another’s dangers I take mine own into contemplation and so secure myself by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security.

Of course, as far as I’m concerned, Bob can keep the gold himself, I’m not in this for the money.

14. ms_xeno - 5 August 2008

Hah. The professional left is all about what Scruggs and others used to describe as “look and feel.” It’s no more about authentic change than my Formica desktop is about hardwood– No matter how many pretty patterns and color choices the pro Left gets into your local bookstore for their umpteenth tome about just how bad Bush stinks.


Deep down, they all yearn for that cozy belonging feeling and to be invited to the after-prom party by the captain of the football team– it’s their primary reason for every damn thing they do. Sure, he’s a shallow thug, but think of the valuable business connections he’ll have running his Daddy’s cement biz after graduation. This is a small town and one can’t afford developing a reputation as being hard to do business with so long as one expects to make a living and blah blah blah fucking blah.

At an even more pedantic level, you can see this pattern in the clowns at PFF that Smithee likes to heave moldering trash at. The same whingers still, after all these years, going on about “tratiors” on their left. They talk a mean game, but at the end of the day, Obama is ZOMFG our annointed CAPTAIN and how dare you imply there’s more to life than the reflected glory of WINNING !!!111 !!!

Fuck ’em all.

15. marisacat - 5 August 2008

The Suskind book tidbits seem to be the big hit of the day. The Mike Allen Politico email spent 13 grafs on it.

16. marisacat - 5 August 2008

At an even more pedantic level, you can see this pattern in the clowns at PFF that Smithee likes to heave moldering trash at.

Agree, quite the ugly cadre of pro Obama-mites over there. LOL. Tho last heard from, pinche tejano in most guises, was swimming fast in the other direction. As believable as any of his other fake trash.

What a crowd. Of sockpupettes.

17. ms_xeno - 5 August 2008

Well, I’m happy to let Smithee have his fun. Right now I need my pitching arm for yard work. I had to relocate a bunch of stuff so I could put in a downspout extension next to the garage before the rainy season starts again.

Free golden oregano plants– and spiderwort plants, too. Oh, and some violets I thinned from around the walnut tree. But you have to come over and get ’em. I don’t deliver. 😀

18. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Suskind coming up on The Today Show………..

earlier live shots from Beijing. Oh, GOOD LUCK… “overcast” is putting it mildly.

19. JJB - 5 August 2008

Re the Open Letter (which I cannot currently read, we’re having very weird Internet problems at work), you have to understand that very often the people who sign such things don’t even bother to read them. An Open Letter of this sort is a silly as the average newspaper editorial (one written by and signed by a single person is another matter).

20. NYCO - 5 August 2008

The problem with today’s left is that it has white-collar roots. It always did have white-collar roots, but it used to have blue-collar roots too. And in the white-collar world, relentless self-promotion and “getting your name out there” is considered honest hard work. (People from a blue-collar culture tend to find such dedicated self-promotion as being phony at its core: in their view, hard work is honest hard work.)

I don’t offer any judgment either way – just noting that, as someone of BC background, I never did understand the concept of the “tip jar” on Scoop blogs and never used them. It seemed crass and desperate… but for WC kids, that’s how the world works and it’s completely natural.

So, you’ve got a lot of WC kids in the Democratic ranks, or formerly BC people who have embraced the WC way of life. That’s why you can be forgiven for viewing the “He’p us Obama” Letter as being just another form of self-promotion for these guys. Self-promotion is the sea they swim in, the air they breathe. I don’t say that as an insult – it’s just fact, it’s how they were raised, it’s how people live in an American society where fewer people work as traditional laborers in unions and so forth. God knows the BC folks have their own infuriating habits.

It took years before I realized the Internet is run by WC kids, and that most of the “revolutionary” products or software or “netroots” they create really does very little that’s actually genuinely new. They will go blue in the face explaining to you how revolutionary the Plurk service is, for example, when really it’s just Twitter with a different interface; and Twitter is just blogging with a different delivery system; and blogs are just web pages with easier updating software. And the same holds true for the many other technological and political advances they promote.

It’s a lot of “look and feel,” a lot of self-promotional talk, and not nearly as much substance or revolution as they claim. You really have to take everything they say with a big grain of salt. Kind of like Obama. He’s everything that they are. He’s their man. They have a faint inkling of this. So what do they do? They use this opportunity to… self-promote.

21. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Receiving a fax from The Nation inquiring if his or her name may be used in a cautionary letter to Obama, is CLEARLY something to run from. Far and fast.

I am quite willing to hang on (literally by my fingernails) just to be around for the 4 years of Obama Land, to see the slobber of this sort of thing become laughable.

With the possible exception of Greider, there really is no one at the tired mag of any consequence and the ONLY time they get off a report of any value is well out side election season (which now is always), usually the 8 months or so right after a presidential election..

Katrina VdH has driven me crazed and mad for years, and her nadir was to god dam fucking ENDORSE Webb for VP. Quite aside from last minute endorsing the RAHM selected opposition to Shays up in CT.

Creeps and idiots. A nation loaded with them.

22. ms_xeno - 5 August 2008


From Blue C many of us came, NYCO. To White C we clambered (or the parents and grandparents did) and now to Blue C we are being forcibly returned again– save for those who were sidetracked into Pink C. Pink C in my experience being much like Blue C only with more money laid out up front for a shoddier and less comfortable work uniform.

Personally I balk at self-promotion more than I manage to pull it off, even nowadays when the inability to do it is a huge stumbling block to paying the bills. Maybe that means I’m a genetic throwback. :p

23. JJB - 5 August 2008

Mcat, no. 21,

Well, there is also Alexander Cockburn, for all his flaws. At least when you read him you know you are not getting thoughts that were formed in an echo chamber.

24. NYCO - 5 August 2008

Ms X- what people in America don’t want to admit about class is that it’s cultural, not just an economic bracket that you easily slide back and forth into. WC kids forced into low-paying jobs aren’t magically going to start acting like BC kids at the dinner table… and vice versa. Here’s an example of the differences in instincts:

A BC person works hard on a team with other workers. If he does a good job, they become friends/buddies with the other workers.

A WC person won’t get to be on a team with other workers (ie on an exciting, high-status project) unless he is friends/buddies with the other workers first. Then, he might be asked to join the high-status project.

It’s not THAT cut and dried, of course… but as a person of BC background, for many years I could not get my mind around the fact that going to lunch with your new co-workers was a vitally important advancement skill. (“Do I *have* to go to that boring office Christmas party?” YES!) Whether you punched the clock on time or not was just not as important as the rubbing of the shoulders. In the WC world, work follows from social connections. In the BC world, social connections follow from work.

But in America, many (most?) young people are 2-3 generations removed from the BC way of life and work, instead of just 1 generation removed, like myself. That has arguably produced profound changes in how Democratic activists approach things.

25. JJB - 5 August 2008

A WC person won’t get to be on a team with other workers (ie on an exciting, high-status project) unless he is friends/buddies with the other workers first. Then, he might be asked to join the high-status project.

No one who’s ever worked in a law office or an accounting firm will find that statement to be in any way congruent with reality.

26. ms_xeno - 5 August 2008


NYCO, my most recent jobs have been uneasy hybrids of both the syndromes you describe. I suspect that’s the case for a lot of people. My impression of Unions as experienced through AFSCME for several years was, to say the least, mixed– at least so far as Unions being breeding grounds for a better quality of worker and/or human being.

Social connections seem to grow from work in EVERY job, and they’re generally extremely shallow in my experience. Nine times out of ten they don’t survive the end of the job. But that may have as much to do with the size of the workplace or the size of the city/town the workplace is located in. I don’t know…

But all that would take pages, and I don’t even have my tip jar set up yet. 😉

27. NYCO - 5 August 2008

No one who’s ever worked in a law office or an accounting firm will find that statement to be in any way congruent with reality.

The stars at the firm probably would, though.

28. marisacat - 5 August 2008


who do you mean by “stars at the firm”?

29. NYCO - 5 August 2008

28. The people who get paid the most?

30. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Who? equity partners? They are owners.

31. NYCO - 5 August 2008

Is everyone else in the firm given equal money for equal pay?

32. NYCO - 5 August 2008

Is everyone else in the firm given equal pay for equal work?

33. marisacat - 5 August 2008

I don’t know anywhere where pay is equal, based on work. Never seen it, myself.

34. NYCO - 5 August 2008

And this is quite true in the BC world as well, obviously.

All I’m saying (the meaning of these leading questions) is that when it comes to advancement, receiving plum assignments or higher-grade work that leads to higher pay… who you know is more important than what you know or what you can do. That is true of both work environments. But the difference is, in the BC world, that’s clearly seen as wrong and not fair, in the culture; it’s a part of the culture that comes from unionization. In the WC work world, that sense of “wrongness” is not quite so pervasive; it is more accepted because there is no formal process of grievance. As I said, there isn’t any cut-and-dried, hard-and-fastness about it. I’m arguing, though, that there is a cultural difference, subtle though it may be.

It could be I’ve only worked in really poorly managed offices, though!

35. marisacat - 5 August 2008

hmm FWIW

The Commission on Presidential Debates reveals who will ask the questions at this fall’s presidential debates:

Sept. 26: Jim Lehrer

Oct. 7: Tom Brokaw

Oct. 15: Bob Schieffer

Vice presidential debate Oct. 2: Gwen Ifill

36. marisacat - 5 August 2008


well there is a lot of resentment, at least in firms I worked in… and after a while (tho not to satisfy Ledbetter requirements) information does get around.

My experience (second hand, father belonged to one in the 50s and into the early 60s, and a friend was a business agent here in town for Retail Clerks Union, an abomination of a crap heap imo) with unions is not good at all. The whole enchilada from corruption, fiduciary malfeasance,, favoritism. collusion with big employers… etc.

37. JJB - 5 August 2008

NYCO, no. 27,

No, they wouldn’t. In fact, I’ve known partners who despised each other to eagerly work together because they knew it offered them the best chance to win the case.

The flaw in your (I’ll be kind in calling it this) analysis is that you are confusing the term “white collar workers” with the people who have positions of high authority, i.e., executive management. Most white collar workers (then and now) spend their lives in dead-end jobs which offer them no options with regards to the sort of work they are assigned to do. I’ll also point out that during the 1950s and 60s, there were a good many blue collar workers who made at least as much as typical white collar workers of their generation. Just as one example, in 1970 a conductor on the Long Island Railroad was probably making a lot more money than, say, Bill O’Reilly’s accountant father, toiling away at his desk in Manhattan for whatever oil company that was he worked for.


Standing on the main stage at a world famous motorcycle rally in rural South Dakota on Monday, John McCain looked out on a sea of denim-wearing bikers and told them he enjoyed their company much more than that of the 200,000 Germans who turned out to see Barack Obama last month.

“As you may know,” he told the tens of thousands gathered at the 68th annual Sturgis Rally at Buffalo Chip campground, “not long ago, a couple of hundred thousand Berliners made a lot of noise for my opponent. I’ll take the roar of fifty thousand Harleys any day.”

Bikers in the crowd, who had arrived from around the country to partake in the massive outdoor party, revved their engines numerous times in support of the presumptive GOP nominee. McCain said it was music to his ears.

“This is my first time here,” he said, “but I recognize that sound. It’s the sound of freedom.”

If McCain seemed more energized than usual, it might have been because the rally was one the campaign’s most colorful (and noisy) events in recent months. He even purchased four commemorative t-shirts.

As the senator made his way through a sea of motorcycle enthusiasts, shaking hands with the many veterans in attendance and accompanied by his wife Cindy and Sen. John Thune, he was surrounded by scores of beer drinking men and scantily clad women, many of whom were as thrilled to see the war hero candidate as they were to watch Kid Rock perform later in the evening.

If there were any Obama supporters to be found in the vast Buffalo Chip campground, they kept quiet.

Indeed, McCain felt so comfortable at the event that he even volunteered his wife for the rally’s traditional beauty pageant, an infamously debauched event that’s been known to feature topless women.

“I encouraged Cindy to compete,” McCain said to cheers. “I told her with a little luck she could be the only woman ever to serve as first lady and Miss Buffalo Chip.”

Actually, some of the participants go bottomless as well. And does McCain know what a Buffalo Chip is?

Can’t wait until this campaign is over.

38. JJB - 5 August 2008

Sorry, forgot to close the link in that last post.

39. JJB - 5 August 2008


Since McCain is trying to make himself look more like a Real American than Obama by contrasting his visit to Sturgis with Obama’s trip to Berlin, someone should point out that it’s very likely that there were far more black Americans watching Obama in Berlin than seeing McCain in Sturgis. Although I’ll bet McCain shook hands with more dope dealers and assorted criminals than were at the Obamafest.

40. NYCO - 5 August 2008

The flaw in your (I’ll be kind in calling it this) analysis is that you are confusing the term “white collar workers” with the people who have positions of high authority, i.e., executive management.

No, I don’t think so. I observe this kind of behavior every day among even low-level managers and people who would like to be low-level managers. (Not to imply that it’s “bad behavior” – it is what it is.)

We’re not really talking about cubicle drones here in any case (and who aspires to be a cubicle worker?); but I think the way middle-class Americans even raise their children these days points to WC habits that have become pervasive even in the home – praise-giving and praise-seeking seem much more central to the family hearth.

I’ll also point out that during the 1950s and 60s, there were a good many blue collar workers who made at least as much as typical white collar workers of their generation.

I’m not sure what this observation has to do with my “analysis” though… I brought up “equal pay” within companies, not BC pay vs. WC pay. As anyone who’s worked in a factory could tell you, schmoozing is indeed linked to career advancement there as well… what I’m saying, though, is that in WC careers, you ignore power lunches at the peril of your future advancement (should power lunches be an option for you). In BC careers, your union card means that you can more safely skip Happy Hour at Joe’s. Or should.

But that’s more or less in the past now. Unions offer severely limited protection for BC workers now.

41. JJB - 5 August 2008

Good piece on the alleged antrax scientist (who so conveniently committed suicide) over at Counterpunch. The latest claims attempting to paint this guy as the sort of sick freak who’d attempt to randomly murder complete strangers is really bizarre. This New York Post piece is probably the best thing to link to, as it tells the story exactly as some people would prefer it be told:

The mad scientist suspected of orchestrating the deadly 2001 anthrax-letter spree was obsessed with a prestigious sorority that keeps an office just 300 feet from a Princeton, NJ, mailbox where the poisonous missives were dropped.

Bruce Ivins’ creepy fixation on Kappa Kappa Gamma may explain why he chose that spot – some 200 miles from his Frederick, Md., home and workplace – to mail the seven anthrax- laced letters that killed five people, sickened 17 and petrified a nation still reeling from the 9/11 terror attacks.

Ivans was obsessed with KKG going back to his college days at the University of Cincinnati, when he apparently was spurned by a woman in the Columbus-based sorority, US officials told The Associated Press – and the fixation never waned in the decades after he left with a Ph.D. in microbiology.

One official said investigators had a theory that Ivins chose to mail the toxic letters from outside KKG’s Princeton University chapter just to confuse the government if he ever were to emerge as a suspect.

The university doesn’t formally recognize sororities and fraternities, but chapters operate off campus.

Ivins, an anthrax-vaccine expert with the Army’s biodefense lab at Fort Detrick, Md., overdosed on Tylenol-With-Codeine pills last Tuesday as federal investigators were on the verge of indicting him on five capital-murder charges.

As early as tomorrow, the Department of Justice could release a ream of documents that support its case against Ivins, including new forensic evidence connecting the mailed anthrax to his lab and the bizarre link to the sorority.

Ivins’ lawyer has proclaimed his client’s innocence, and some co-workers of the suicidal scientist continue to doubt he could have been responsible for sending the anthrax letters to Congress and media outlets, including The Post.

Katherine Breckinridge Graham, a Kappa alumna and adviser to the Princeton chapter, confirmed that FBI agents interviewed her about Ivins, but could not give details because she’d signed a nondisclosure form. She did say she had no reason to believe any of the women in the sorority ever had any interaction with Ivins, 62. “Nothing odd went on,” she said.

KKG’s office is at 20 Nassau St. in Princeton, a nondescript building with stores on the ground floor and offices above.. . . Authorities say the anthrax letters were mailed from a box nearby at 10 Nassau St.

Reached by telephone, Ivins’ brother, Tom, told The Post he didn’t remember the sorority’s ever being discussed, but admitted he’d been out of touch with his sibling for 23 years. Police in Princeton said they had no record of Ivins’ being involved in any criminal or unusual behavior.

Authorities were weeks away – if not sooner – from bringing an indictment against Ivins. However, investigators had been having trouble proving he made the seven-hour car drive to mail the letters on or just before they were sent on Sept. 18 and Oct. 9, 2001.

Now, when I heard this story on NBC’s DC affililate this morning, I believe it was said that no one personally acquainted with Ivins had ever heard him mention this sorority he was said to be obsessed with, and they played a snippet from one of his colleagues saying it would have been impossible for him to have developed this anthrax powder in the lab at Ft. Dietrick without someone knowing about it. In any event, that last paragraph in the story is a beaut. If you’re “weeks away” from indicting someone, you probably don’t have much of a case, and if you can’t even prove the guy was anywhere near Princeton when the letters were mailed, you’re indulging in a flight of fancy with this “obsession” angle.

BTW, if you’re driving from Frederick, MD to NYC or points north, Princeton is a very logical place to stop off for the night, or just to have a meal. I live 15 miles south of DC, and have stopped in Princeton a number of times myself.

42. JJB - 5 August 2008

Someone who shall go nameless sent this missive to Eric Alterman, and he thought it worthy of putting it in today’s post:

In thinking about all the nonsensical criticism going on lately about Obama (he’s too young, he’s too ‘exotic’, he’s too thin, ad nauseam), I have finally figured out the fundamental difference between the campaigns.

The McCain campaign is counting on our fear; the Obama campaign is counting on our courage.

Let’s hope America finds its backbone in November.


43. JJB - 5 August 2008

Josh Marshall has a link to the YouTube video that shows McCain offering up his wife as a potential Miss Buffalo Chip contestant. I haven’t been able to view it due to the aforementioned Internet Weirdness going on here, but the fact that she’s standing next to him on stage, looking like a good [Stepford] candidate’s wife is interesting. Actually, the bikers would probably have preferred that Cindy use her family connections to provide unlimited free beer, but that might have caused problems with the campaign finance laws.

44. JJB - 5 August 2008

Drat! Tried to do the HTML for strikethrough in the word “Stepford” in the previous post, but it didn’t work. You’ll have to use your imagination, just like the bikers had to use theirs when Cindy didn’t go along with husband’s suggestion.

45. marisacat - 5 August 2008


Sorry, the strike thru HTML does not work in the thread. It works in the post up top but not in the thread. They should activate it for both, imo.

I will put in Stepford for you if it is missing, it usually just drops the word,

46. marisacat - 5 August 2008


…confirmed that FBI agents interviewed her about Ivins, but could not give details because she’d signed a nondisclosure form….

And of course it is all abut Terra Terra Terra, so many will never say anything.

What a mess we are in.

47. marisacat - 5 August 2008


No link!, LOL Is Eric Alterman’s column at The Nation? (I will go look)

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008



49. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

37 – Of course, nobody is pointing out that a lot of the folks who can afford the bikes, and then the time to get to Sturges, are Angel-wanna-beez who have alphabet soup after their names on their business cards.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

Pelosi’s Latest Justification for Barring Impeachment… ‘Bush Would Never Cooperate With His Own Impeachment’

Nancy Shipes of Woodstown, NJ: Why have you taken impeachment off the table as an option for President George W. Bush?

Pelosi: I took it off the table a long time ago. You can’t talk about impeachment unless you have the facts, and you can’t have the facts unless you have cooperation from the Administration. I think the Republicans would like nothing better than for us to focus on impeachment and take our eye off the ball of a progressive economic agenda.

51. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Cooperation. What a crock. last I heard or read, the congressional panels supposedly looking into the Tillman death (and I do believe, iirc, that Waxman was a part of that) were not bothering with follow thru. From commentary from Tillman mother.

If you cannot effing bother to follow thru on that mess, congress is useless.

A CEMETARY. And no good intentions on the way to the hell we are in.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008
53. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

Cindy: Disenfranchisement: The New American Way?

The last couple of links via After Downing Street, btw.

54. marisacat - 5 August 2008

I think Tacoma is one place that could end up a pitched battle between protesters and police.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008
56. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

There does seem to be a pretty dedicated core of resistance up in Tacoma.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008
58. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

Grace Nearing points out some freeper’s take on McCain’s pimping out his wife as a biker stripper:

Well freeper Nathan Zachary pierces right through the MSM bias and hypocrisy.

They are just jealous that they only crowds that Obama gets warm applause from are large crowds of queers in SF, black males on the down low, lesbians, and Muslims who hate America and the very thing these bikers symbolize- America, land of the free, home of the brave.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

Quote of the day:

“If you’ve got Michelle as first lady, and Malia and Sasha running around on the South Lawn, that changes how America looks at itself.”

— Sen. Barack Obama, in an interview with Essence magazine.

60. diane - 5 August 2008

I think you might be on to something Marisa

….We may be, in reality, drooling shit from all our orifices

Maybe that’s the reason for all the insanity….a new ebola mutation ….walking ebola, as with walking pneumonia, highly lethal, yet one doesn’t even realize they have it……..

61. marisacat - 5 August 2008

I think it is interesting that sane people think there is an easy way out of the horrific mess we are in… or that ANYONE elected in thsi corrupt system at the Fed level will end the war, feed the poor and care for the sick. Or change anything much at all.

You know, all ths Jesusing with fake preachers, all sides.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 August 2008

as IOZ says about that:

The hoary adage that Marx was a great diagnostician who unfortunately proposed a cure worse than the disease has always seemed to me to be deliciously true. What’s remarkable about our modern “progressives” is just how thoroughly Great-Man-ized their political “science” has become and just how thoroughly incapable they are of conducting any kind of materialist analysis. Fuck, I’m a libertarian anarchist and I can do it without too much personal discomfort.

Because the truth is that their are governments, and they are tied inexorably to the operations of the very corporations whose holdings constitute nearly the sum total of information available to folks today. Mr. Jensen had it half-backwards. We are also the Soviets. The internet is Howard Beale’s 21-inch screen. We’re just a lot of madmen. When Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Liberal Netrootsia and the Concerned Citizens for Fairness in the Media of Responsibily and Ethics of Civil Liberties in Washington all get together to worry themselves sick over the tranquilizing effect of triviality-as-Media, I want to stick my own head out the window and scream. They’re only abrogating their responsibility if it’s to you, and, kiddos, I gots ta tell ya, it ain’t!

Dear Lord Jesus in motherfucking heaven, just follow the fucking money!

63. diane - 5 August 2008


I don’t have a frikken clues as to how anyone sane could believe that….

Was reading Vanity Fare online (won’t buy that rag) about Carla, the First Lady of France, and her predator mate…..The whole world is being run by true predators who no longer even make any pretense of hiding it.

64. diane - 5 August 2008


jeez I missed the punchline in that comment…I read about our dear Momma to the World, Ambassador too:

….She told me she was following a system, which she’d read about in a magazine, whereby children are rewarded with sticker stars, which can be redeemed for treats, thus not only controlling them but also teaching them the basics of capitalism. More important than any of that, she said, “is how my mom raised me, which is to figure out who I was and try to enhance my individual personality and not get in the way of it.

“But I can really discipline the kids when I need to.” ….

I knew I shouldn’t have, especially so late at night, for the very same reason that I won’t buy that rag….

65. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Dear Lord Jesus in motherfucking heaven, just follow the fucking money!

Oh IOZ is just so wrong. He is a fallen creature, not saved for Jeeesuhs!, like Donnie McClurkin, he has not seen the light, the way and The Truth.

“You know, despite the fact that if we had followed my recommendation not to go into the war in Iraq we would have about an extra trillion dollars to rebuild our economy, we would have been on the path of energy independence, we would have finished the job in Afghanistan and gone after al Qaeda.

“So I’m happy to have a battle of words because I’ve got facts on my side,” he concluded. “I’ve got truth on my side! I fear no man when I’ve got truth on my side!”

The crowd cheered, revival-style.

Tapper report on the “pledge of allegiance” rally in Beres.

66. marisacat - 5 August 2008

Tomorrow he does loaves and fishes, then the next day water into wine. Late August, he walks on water……………….

he is Joshua, he’s Moses, he’s Matthew, he’s Martin and Malcolm and Jack and Bobbie and…….. FDR and Lincoln and …………

Tickets for sale, at the door.

What a fucking con.

67. diane - 5 August 2008

Daniel Buccino, a Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine clinical social worker and psychotherapist, says stay-at-home wives are the latest “status symbols.”

“It says, ‘We make enough money that we both don’t need to work outside the home,'” he says. “And especially with the recent economic pressures, a stay-at-home spouse is often an extreme and visible luxury.”

Again, so glad I don’t have a daughter to have to explain why she lives in a world where women are so debased, and stripped of their own humanity…

Nothing wrong with a stay at home wife (or husband), everything wrong it being the new fad……….it leaves her wide open for abuse of the worst kind…..killing of the spirit….

68. diane - 5 August 2008


oops I was referring to my comment 63 which posted as 62 first, I wasn’t referring to your comment Madman.

69. diane - 5 August 2008

jeez, missed the link and the italics for 67

link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/05/lw.nokids.nojob.wives/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

paragraphs 1 & 2 were the article excerpt.

(also, floating in spam, comment 64 was referring to current comment 63, which initally posted as 62, it wasn’t a sarcastic retort to your comment Madman )

70. diane - 5 August 2008

jeez, I either do it right and it looks wrong, or I do it wrong and it is wrong, left the link and italics off of comment 67:

The new status symbol:

paragraphs 1 & 2 were the excerpt.

71. diane - 5 August 2008

What a fucking twilight zone:

GAO: Iraq Could Have $79 Billion Budget Surplus

As if any worthy human being in Iraq will ever benefit from that money….how much is decimating an entire country worth…

72. diane - 5 August 2008

Anthrax Suspect Sought Help For Substance Abuse

Late last fall, Bruce E. Ivins was drinking a liter of vodka some nights, taking large doses of sleeping pills and anti-anxiety drugs, and typing out rambling e-mails into the early morning hours, according to a fellow scientist who helped him through this period.

It was around the time that FBI agents showed Ivins’s 24-year-old daughter pictures of the victims who had died in the 2001 anthrax attacks and told her, “Your father did this,” the scientist said. The agents also offered her twin brother the $2.5 million reward for solving the anthrax case — and the sports car of his choice…..

Most would turn to drinking and or drugs if their whole emotional support system was undermined like that, which I’m sure our government has made great use out of for decades….

maybe he was quilty but it sure doesn’t sniff like it…..

73. marisacat - 5 August 2008

all that has happened from the release of that cash on hand for Iraq, at least that I have cuaght, is ”thos lousy pikers. They can pay for their own reconstruction” [that we never planned to do anyway].

Saddam was one more of our “thug in place” games, but he had at least the semblance of a society. I think we have some neighborhoods, that we have not sold oout yet.

It is long term occupation. I am unsure what is left to say anymore.

74. diane - 5 August 2008

My bet is that most of it will go to the same friends of DC it’s been going to….

yeah, what is left to say…

this election makes me want to puke…

75. moiv - 5 August 2008


Few reports have seen fit to mention that Princeton sororities don’t even have their own houses, and that the “office” cited in the NY Post story was only a storage space used by the sorority.

Everything about the alleged sorority obsession is obvious fabrication. They aren’t even bothering to give us first-tier snow jobs anymore.

76. marisacat - 5 August 2008

They aren’t even bothering to give us first-tier snow jobs anymore.

Well, Democrats and the networks did not care about lethal federal mail. They really did not. it is so clear that Daschle and Leahy kind of yawn and say the bare minimum…

The whole thing strikes me as a quick box up of the Anthrax Event (let’s barely mention the dead) before Bush leaves office.

77. marisacat - 6 August 2008

nu thred………


…………….. 8) …………………..

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