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hmm mmm 6 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Blonde Sense, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


I was completely out of ideas, when, fortunately, a kind emailer sent this… and when I said I’d hunt for a pic of Noel Coward smoking, to go with, even supplied a selection of photos. Well, God Bless America!, as the pols would say… 😉 .. choking on their breath mints.

A snip… a refrain…

There are bad times just around the corner,
There are dark clouds hurtling through the sky
And it’s no good whining
About a silver lining
For we know from experience that they won’t roll by,
With a scowl and a frown
We’ll keep our peckers down
And prepare for depression and doom and dread,
We’re going to unpack our troubles from our old kit bag
And wait until we drop down dead.

If you scroll down at the link, there is an updated version for the American market, NC pulled it out for his Vegas cabaret act…

There are bad times just around the corner,
We can all look forward to despair,
It’s as clear as crystal
From Brooklyn Bridge to Bristol
That we CAN’T save Democracy
And we don’t much care.
At the sound of a shot
We’d just as soon as not
Take a hot-water bad and retire to bed
And while the press and the politicians nag nag nag
We’ll wait until we drop down dead.

No need to update, I say!

In other news… I see Paris replied. Heh. Go Girl! I may not ever have “joined the women” but I will stand with the blondes (add Britney and Lohan, she got a good one off back at Bratton, that Guiliani creep). Especially when dismissed as bimbos. And more especially as Celeb Bimbos (surely one capitalises this?).

I am not surprised it/her reply is deft, I caught her appearance on SNL a few days after the so! scandalous! video!. She was very adept. Does she write her own content? Who fucking cares.

You want Bimbo? Political pundit class. Every last one of them.

Trite stuff? Not the ”big” issues? The POLS won’t be doing shit about the “rully big stuff”, either.

This is not big stuff either: Life is tough. But not tooooooo tough.

If you have liquids in the mouth, swallow now:

His fund-raisers invariably say their support for him is not rooted in any kind of promise of access, but rather their belief in him.

“This is about Barack Obama and changing the direction of our country,” said Jonathan B. Perdue, a business consultant in Mill Valley, Calif., who has raised more than $250,000 for Mr. Obama’s campaign.

Think he said that choking on breath mints.



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

The whole thing strikes me as a quick box up of the Anthrax Event (let’s barely mention the dead) before Bush leaves office.

So that nobody looks too close at it next year, maybe?

2. marisacat - 6 August 2008

LOL Ob won’t be shaking any trees… 😉

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

I thought the Paris reply was great, too. Gave me a chuckle.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

2 – true, but the Reps are running against a caricature of him (I keep reading winger attacks that the Chicago boy is a “marxist” … LOL …) so maybe they’re hedging their bets that he’s actually the straw donk they made up.

Speaking of silly, CNN just had Glen Beck on pushing the idea that “Dark Knight” was a celebration of Dubya. Stupid on so many levels.

5. marisacat - 6 August 2008

oh yeah the R political sites are loaded, for months, on Obama is a Marxist. OVer and over they roll it out.

The Dems roll out Old and Dumb.

So elevated.

6. JJB - 6 August 2008

MCat, no. 47, previous thread

Sorry, that email Alterman quoted was at his “Altercation” site over at Media Matters. You’ll have to scroll down to see it in its flatulent glory, but as you go, don’t miss his post on Philip Roth, where he says “When I first met Roth, he read from this book, and I sat next to Claire Bloom and she cried the whole time.” As Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. jokingly said, “I was only saying to the Queen the other day how I hate name dropping.” Alterman is less pompous than Leon Wieseltier, but every bit as fond of relating his encounters with famous people on the flimsiest of pretexts.

moiv, no. 41, previous thread,

There are no fraternities/sororities at Princeton. They do have something called eating clubs, which serve something of the same function, though I don’t believe you live in the equivalent of a frat/sorority house. They are also only open to juniors and seniors, and are co-ed.

The whole sorority obsession meme is ludicrous. If he was that screwy about having been dumped so long ago by that woman who was a member, why didn’t he send anthrax to the sorority HQ?

7. marisacat - 6 August 2008

I certainly never saw anything at Princeton to compare with, say, UCBerkeley, a place that is LOUSY with frat houses… and I assume sororities too.

8. JJB - 6 August 2008

Just saw the Paris Hilton ad. Brilliant bit of satire. Apparently McCain had some kind of response to it yesterday, didn’t catch what he said.

9. marisacat - 6 August 2008

via Ben Smith:

UPDATE: Obama spokesman Bill Burton reacts: “Whatever.”

UPDATE: McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds emails: “It sounds like Paris Hilton supports John McCain’s ‘all of the above’ approach to America’s energy crisis – including both alternatives and drilling. Paris Hilton might not be as big a celebrity as Barack Obama, but she obviously has a better energy plan.”

10. JJB - 6 August 2008

Can our politics possibly get more trivial? Sadly, yes.

11. marisacat - 6 August 2008

I think both camps should find a light hearted, if short term, way to embrace the Paris vid.

Support will be shifting around, and useless as the polls are, this is what they show, lately.

LOL Good Luck to Someone.

12. marisacat - 6 August 2008

via Smith/Politco – the comments from Ob and McC on Hamdan. whatever, he is going to prison for life for being a driver, essentially.

13. moiv - 6 August 2008
14. marisacat - 6 August 2008

thanks for that link moiv. I notice it is dated Aug 5… last week, and obviously a different post, he had written soemthing about abortion that had Ponnaru at The Corner in a multiple post tizzy… I did nto even go to Slate to read Saletan figuring my blood pressure could nto take it… LOL

15. marisacat - 6 August 2008

hmm Nancy’s office got a little excited thsi afternoon. Sent out her ‘message from Rep Nancy Pelosi’ twice.

As Speaker of the House, I made energy independence my flagship issue

well, sweetheart, we know what is NOT the flagship issue.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

Can our politics possibly get more trivial?

Is it tomorrow yet?

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

This is Horseshit By Cindy Sheehan

I am angry. No, I am incensed that hundreds of thousands of people are dead, dying, wounded, displaced from their homes or being imprisoned and tortured by the sadists that reside or work at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with the approval of their accomplices down the road in Congress. I am furious that I buried my oldest son when he was 24 years old for the unrepentant lies and the unpunished crimes of the Bush mob. Are you incensed? If not, maybe you should ask yourself: “Why?” Hypothetically: “Why am I not enraged that my country has killed or hurt so many people for absolutely no noble cause in my name and with my tacit approval?”

I am steamed that the working class has to, once again, pay for the excesses of the capitalist criminals that feeds its rapacious appetite with the flesh and blood of our children and won’t rest until it owns every penny in this world and has all the power.

You may say, “But Cindy, it is not polite to be angry or to use such strong language in public.” Horseshit! In my opinion, every citizen in this country should rise up in anger and DEMAND that George Bush and Dick Cheney not only be impeached and removed from office, but be tried and convicted for murder and crimes against the peace and humanity!

We should all walk off of our jobs and refuse to work and refuse to be cogs in the wheels of psychotic consumerism until our troops, military contractors and permanent bases are removed from Iraq and Afghanistan. We should, but most of us won’t. We won’t because it may mean that we would lose something of “value.” Material possessions are so transitory, as are our lives. We can leave a lasting impression by our courageous activism and moral sacrifice, or we can leave a pile of rusting metal or rotting wood. I choose the former for myself.

18. moiv - 6 August 2008


Like you, I’ve taken Wee Willie Saletan off my reading list. I wouldn’t have seen it myself if someone hadn’t emailed it to me.

Now, as another friend commented, let’s hope that Leavitt doesn’t take it literally.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

from the Saletan:

As you know, the risk that oral contraception will prevent implantation of an embryo is purely theoretical. There is no documented case of such a tragedy, since we have no way to verify conception inside a woman’s body prior to implantation without causing the embryo’s death.

So the possible fetus is the Schrodinger’s Cat of American politics?

20. marisacat - 6 August 2008

such a tragedy

he just cannot help himself. shovels out that moralistic crap every time.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

Living Death: The Eternal Now of Hiroshima

Here too, amidst all the secrecy and feverish activity, there was deceit and manipulation at work. As John Pilger notes in a blistering article in the Guardian on the anniversary of Hiroshima’s destruction, the stated justifications for using this horrific weapon on a civilian population have all been exposed as deliberate falsehoods. Pilger writes:

The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a criminal act on an epic scale. It was premeditated mass murder that unleashed a weapon of intrinsic criminality. For this reason its apologists have sought refuge in the mythology of the ultimate “good war”, whose “ethical bath”, as Richard Drayton called it, has allowed the west not only to expiate its bloody imperial past but to promote 60 years of rapacious war, always beneath the shadow of The Bomb.

The most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and save lives. “Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”

The National Archives in Washington contain US government documents that chart Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US dispels any doubt that the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Instead, the US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the US air force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. He later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb”. His foreign policy colleagues were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.” The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Truman voiced his satisfaction with the “overwhelming success” of “the experiment”.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008
23. moiv - 6 August 2008

DK diary: Cindy Sheehan MONEY BOMB

For pure comic gold, this is the comment of the night — at least, so far.

Cindy Sheehan (6+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
pucklady, Boris Godunov, v2aggie2, Bouwerie Boy, ArkDem14, sea2008

is talking crap about Obama. why should i donate?

by robertacker13 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 09:19:14 PM CDT

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

23 – LOL


25. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

Since I heard an interview w/ him today on NPR, I share w/ you: Randy Newman – A Few Words in Defense of Our Country

A President once said,
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”
Now it seems like we’re supposed to be afraid
It’s patriotic in fact and color coded
And what are we supposed to be afraid of?
Why, of being afraid
That’s what terror means, doesn’t it?
That’s what it used to mean

[To the first eight bars of “Columbia The Gem Of The Ocean”]

You know it pisses me off a little
That this Supreme Court is gonna outlive me
A couple of young Italian fellas and a brother on the Court now too
But I defy you, anywhere in the world
To find me two Italians as tightass as the two Italians we got

And as for the brother
Well, Pluto’s not a planet anymore either

The end of an empire is messy at best
And this empire is ending
Like all the rest
Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea
We’re adrift in the land of the brave
And the home of the free

Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

full lyrics

26. CSTAR - 6 August 2008


I think the United States as a nation has never really comprehended the horror of Hiroshima. It’s not clear to me what this even means, since “nations” don’t comprehend assertions about events, individuals do. However, the narrative of intrinsic american goodness and its divine destiny is so overwhelming, that any attempt to think about what actually happened that day, in any way, even by the most banal physical descriptions, is rebuffed by the rhetorical artifice of “consider the alternative of a long war”.

And the horror of Hiroshima is inevitably met, with quantitative comparisons with the loss of life in Soviet Russia or in the holocaust. Those comparisons go nowhere; I can’t pinpoint why Hiroshima is so terrifying, so horrific, for me at least, ever since I was a child. But in part, it’s because it is a natural result of a mode of organization of economic processes. It the result of the efficiency of capitalist production perfected even more for the mass production of death and disfigurement of human beings.

27. CSTAR - 6 August 2008


A common theme of many of the comments This is a site for electing democrats. I guess that pretty much summarizes what that site is.

Why don’t they just change the name? Truth in advertizing maybe?

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

But in part, it’s because it is a natural result of a mode of organization of economic processes. It the result of the efficiency of capitalist production perfected even more for the mass production of death and disfigurement of human beings.

Exactly. It is the Final Solution writ to it’s perfection, efficient quick end. That’s what makes it so damned wrong.

29. ms_xeno - 6 August 2008

See the recent BAR thread for the perfect bookend to Sheehan in #17:

…”What if, what if,” that’s all you Obama supporters can say. “Oh gee, looky here, what if he’s different, what if he changes the world?” Blah, blah, blah. What if I shitted gold bricks like y’all think O Toma does? I could heal the world!…

…Go on and continue to collaborate with evil. BTW, the government is flat broke and the hole is getting deeper. And aside from the minimum wage you can’t name 3 significant pieces of legislation from the Democrats, but oh, things will be different in 2008 right? Stop listening to Mad Money and all those pretty ass brunettes giving you business news. Go over to last Sunday’s Barron and read Prof. Nouriel Roubini for the hard knock facts. In fact Roubini should be your first source for reality checking on economic issues. There is no domestic agenda you ostriches! Do you have any idea how many pending bank failures, corporate failures, and government bailouts of Wall Street will supercede Obama’s “Health Plan,” or school or infrastructure needs, or his invisible “urban agenda” Hartal barks on about? Of course you can listen to Hartal, fine policy wonk that he is as he parrot’s Obama’s website and gives you heady news of all the wonderful programs forthcoming. Of course neither he nor anyone else will explain how you conduct trillion $$ bailouts of Wall Street/Corporations/Banks AND spend trillions on refurbishing and expanding the military and still have money for your Democratic Platform lies. This delusion would be comical were it not so sad and tragic. You better take your asses to some of them survivalist websites instead of following O Toma’s latest flip-flops on his website.

PS Started your Xmas shopping yet? LOL… — Lou at BAR, 8/6/08.

30. marisacat - 6 August 2008

I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki are horrifying as the atomic bombings of two cities is largely accepted. There are books and remininces that expose the truth of the end of the war (and the beginning too) but it is left for the readers of books, those who suffered and those who oppose war. And a few truthful historians.

It is left for the people UNDER the bombs to try to make the case. And a scatter of people across the globe. And photographs.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

And photographs.

Photographs Americans won’t look at.

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

of course, they wouldn’t look at this photograph either, or the postcards from the lynchings, so what else is new?

33. ms_xeno - 6 August 2008

Breathe deep the ever-escalating irony.

A website about confronting racism has a thread in which everyone involved delicately waltzes around confronting Obama or his White handlers about their catering to racist White fantasies. They’ve been awfully quiet about Obama lately, which could be due to embarrassment, I suppose. Or maybe due to the fact that 90% of the regulars are all out dutifully volunteering for St. Plaster himself. I try hard not to think about it.

But GEVALT– am I glad I tiptoed out of that space when I did. Yecchh.

34. ms_xeno - 6 August 2008

Sorry. Should have written “due to the POSSIBILITY that 90% of the regulars are all out dutifully volunteering for St. Plaster himself.”

Shame on me. Vodka + orange juice makes ms_xeno even more sloppy-cheerful in her bitterness than is normal. Or maybe it’s the other way around.


35. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 August 2008

Or maybe due to the fact that 90% of the regulars are all out dutifully volunteering for St. Plaster himself.

So, they’re the watered down version of the plaster casters?!?!

36. ms_xeno - 6 August 2008

Madman, you’re not helping !!

[goes back to the kitchen for more vodka]

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

I have officially lived to see almost everything.

Patti Smith is on Morning Joe. Weird. She’s promoting this movie. She said she’s campaigning for Paris, that her video ” is what they all deserve.”

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Patti Smith link in spam. off to work. have a good day!

39. AlanSmithee - 7 August 2008

Looks like Sheehan will be run off the ballot. Anyone surprised?


40. ms_xeno - 7 August 2008

Where have you been, Smithee ? It’s already been settled amongst Those What Matter In Blogland that Sheehan will burn in Hell for picking on the poor, helpless, noble St. Plaster. Sticking the pitchfork in her for her ruthless and cruel siege against Nan, Ms. Liberty herself ? That’s strictly an after-dinner mint.

41. NYCO - 7 August 2008

Paris Hilton is the only thing about this whole campaign I have been able to take seriously!

42. lucid - 7 August 2008

She said she’s campaigning for Paris, that her video ” is what they all deserve.”

A celeb with integrity… it’s why I like her so.

BTW, in music news – we’re playing the New England Culture Fest in Lowell, MA on September 6. I know that is in HRH’s neighborhood. It’s the only fair trade festival in the country with a lot of cool stuff going on. Come out if you’re in the area.

43. marisacat - 7 August 2008

I agree I think the Paris video ws inspired. And McC was smart to be nice about it. Burton for Ob, officially said, “Whatever”.

It really penetrated. ABC local news here played it in full, no snips out, tho they did bleep “bitches”, LOL

44. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Sheehan.. when she was an anti war Democrat, in the 2006 seaosn, they blamed her for “losing elections” for them. They REALLY blamed her for Charlie Brown out here (be funny if he loses again, LOL).

Now that she is no longer a Democrat, they still blame her.

45. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Fuck the Xtian-Politicos. Really. I can see prayer circles soon to have Hillary see the light. And that we should nto criticise God’s Gift To The World. Or the Whirled.

46. AlanSmithee - 7 August 2008

Guess I haven’t been reading the right blogs, Ms. X. I thought Nader was the all-purpose whipping boy for the pwoggie-bloggie know-nothing elite. Guess I’m living in the past…

47. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Madman emailed me this (Mcat is blocked at hsi work)

He and his family still lived in a shack thrown up in the dust of an atomic desert. He described a huge flash over the city, “a bluish light, something like an electrical short”, after which wind blew like a tornado and black rain fell. “I was thrown on the ground and noticed only the stalks of my flowers were left. Everything was still and quiet, and when I got up, there were people naked, not saying anything. Some of them had no skin or hair. I was certain I was dead.” Nine years later, when I returned to look for him, he was dead from leukaemia.

In the immediate aftermath of the bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb’s blast. It was the first big lie. “No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin” said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. “I write this as a warning to the world,” reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called “an atomic plague”. For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared – and vindicated.::snip::

it’s a Pilger article.

48. marisacat - 7 August 2008

I am so bored with O B A M A, from Shapiro at Salon. I found the Pew poll that he builds off very interesting, when I went thru some fo it yesterday. Pew just labeld it “Obama fatigue”.

Enough already with his fucking “story”, it moved to negative territory a little bit ago. It became intrusive in some irritating way.

The nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press diagnosed a new malady Wednesday — “Obama Fatigue.” That was the headline on a national survey conducted late last week that discovered that 48 percent of all voters and, tellingly, 51 percent of independents feel they have been “hearing too much” about Barack Obama. In contrast, only 10 percent of voters say they have been “hearing too little” about the de facto Democratic nominee.

“I was stunned by the numbers, since I didn’t expect that we’d get that kind of gap,” Andrew Kohut, the director of the Pew Research Center, said in an interview. Kohut, a respected pollster who rarely traffics in hyperbole, added, “I would have taken it far less seriously if we didn’t get the exact opposite result with the McCain question.” More voters (38 percent) complain that they have been hearing “too little” about John McCain than “too much” (26 percent).

This poll question, which has never before been asked about presidential candidates, is more intriguing than definitive. Kohut would like to follow up with what he calls “the so-what question” about Obama’s overexposure. At minimum, the public reaction suggests that the Olympics and an upcoming Obama vacation could not come a moment too soon. As Karlyn Bowman, a polling analyst at the right-of-center American Enterprise Institute, puts it, “People may have campaign fatigue and it’s coming out as Obama fatigue.”

49. penlan - 7 August 2008


The “Ob Fatigue” will decline as the Olympics start tomorrow & lots of folks will be tuning into that & little news for the next while. A hiatus from all the garbage.

50. NYCO - 7 August 2008

Obama’s real problem is that McCain has turned out to be such a pallid candidate.

And no, the “Ob Fatigue” won’t decline as long as campaign ads play incessantly during the coverage, which they are reported to be scheduled to do.

51. marisacat - 7 August 2008
52. marisacat - 7 August 2008


they have both made Olympic ad buys…

53. marisacat - 7 August 2008

hmm Jane Mayer is on KGO radio wtih Ronn Owen. Lots of mad/angry callers pro torture. We are so liberal out here… LOL

54. NYCO - 7 August 2008

Speaking of the Olympics, just had to share this unbearably cute Olympic clip of days of yore…

Closing ceremonies of 1980 Winter Olympics. Being held in a tiny ice arena in Lake Placid.

Remembering how my sister and I begged to be taken to these Games on a day trip (4 hour drive away)… and my parents refusing, not because of ticket prices, but because they just didn’t feel like dealing with the traffic. But thousands of other people just did jump in their cars and go, and got to see actual events by buying tickets when they got there. This was before the days of corporate block tickets and all that other bullshit.

55. bayprairie - 7 August 2008

pretty good article, this past tuesday, on the state of the olympics by a sports columnist at wapo

Partners In Grime

By Sally Jenkins

You only have to breathe the air to understand that these Olympics aren’t about sport. They’re about corporate profit, a propaganda stage for the Chinese government, and the moral collapse of the Olympic movement, but the very last thing they’re about is excellence or the well-being of the athletes. The real interests, the real priorities, are in the air.

A haze the color of dishwater hangs over the billion-dollar advertising billboards of profiteers such as General Electric and Visa. The miasma that forms over the vaunted futuristic Beijing skyline makes the industrial-aesthetic high-rises look like nuclear cooling towers. A smoke curtain lifts and falls, occasionally parting to reveal blue sky, as well as the workings of Chinese state power: Despite the fog, the China Daily said that it was “clear” Monday , and that the city is “green and beautiful.”…

56. aemd - 7 August 2008

#37 “Patti Smith is on Morning Joe.”

Ms Smith has gotta be doin’ it for the LULZ…. 😉

#42 Do you know what time (Sept 6) and where (location of stage) you will be playing?? (I’m assuming this event will be setup like the Lowell Folk Fest, multi stage and staggered times).

57. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

Gitmo jury gives driver 66 months.

Prosecutors had demanded a sentence of not less than 30 years but Hamdan, a Yemeni, had pleaded for leniency.

The military judge earlier ruled Hamdan could have 61 months’ credit for time served so may be free in five months.

However, the US has previously argued it can detain all those it determines “enemy combatants” indefinitely as long as its so-called war on terror continues.

The BBC’s Kim Ghattas at the trial says the sentence is a dramatic snub to the Bush administration and came after just one-and-a-half hours of deliberation.

58. aemd - 7 August 2008

Think I got snatched up by the spam/mod filters. Most likely fucked up the the email addy. Sorry, crap cleared the cache so I can’t reverse it.

59. aemd - 7 August 2008

Ioz praises St Obama of the masses, the lesser evil of the two..

“The Empire requires a frontman, and the system isn’t going to let a cranky, geriatric mouseketeer who’s never used the Google and who thinks that we need to station troops on the border between Laos and Paraguay use the remote.”

Damn, no, that demands a GodDamn. (but I do think it should be “Teh Goggle”) 😉

60. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

Finally saw the Paris for Prez ad.

What a hoot!

Anybody else notice that she used the (first) name “Barack” the only time she mentions O by any name, and just before the only time she names McCain (by last name only)? I just watched it a second time to be sure.

Hmmm . . . a stealthy (obviously, wealthy) Obama support ad? Providing middle-of-the-road cover for his recent backtrack on drilling near um, Flipper?

Wish she were going to the debates! No reason she can’t continue the series at funnywhateveritis as an independent commenter.

61. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

Speaking of independent (cough) commentary, Win Points for McCain! (WaPo story on the Astroturf Express Rewards Program).

McCain should reconsider the program for an entirely different reason, says Zach Exley, who directed online organizing for John Kerry’s Democratic presidential campaign in 2004. Both the Kerry campaign and the GOP’s national committee, he said, had underwhelming results when they offered incentives of various kinds to volunteers.

“This stuff never works,” Exley says. “People in politics aren’t motivated by points. That’s not what gets people to act. They’re motivated by genuinely caring about the issues.”

Saves all the perks for the bundlers, too, right?

62. marisacat - 7 August 2008

aemd and bayprairie out of Moderation…

Sorry! for the delay, not sure what happened.. but I slept most of the day.

Off to check Spam file…


63. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

I slept most of the day

must be all of those Obama speeches about Gahwd.

64. marisacat - 7 August 2008

BTW, speaking of the skies over Beijing… Cuaght a professor from RI on TNH Monday (I had planned to use it for a post, but while they posted lots of Olympic stuff to the site, Lehrer had not posted his very interesting interview)… for the Chinese a “blue sky” day is when there is ANY perceptible shadow of trees or other sold mass visible.

he had pics of the Olympic Beijing area, socked in hard in smog, to the GROUND to my eyes, but there was enough clearing that a mass of tall trees showed a shadow. E Voila! Blue Sky Day! Air is clear!.

65. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Speaking of Olympic ticket prices… I heard in an interview that opening ceremonies in Montreal (early 70s iirc) were 24.75 … Opening ceremonies in a recent Olmpics (not sure if they specified Athens) were over 1,300 USD

66. marisacat - 7 August 2008


Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign appears reluctant to have any sort of roll call vote at the Democratic convention this month. Why? They have no interest in highlighting the narrowness of his victory.

This would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.::snip::

via Tapper.

May he fall like a rock. WEAK.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

66 – And deprive the delegates of their Kodak moment at the mike, praising blueberries, Great Lakes, cornfields, and steel?

Way to piss everybody off!

Clinton comes off as quite gracious in the Tapper piece.

A supporter asked her what would happen if there were a roll call vote and Clinton won.

“That is not going to happen,” Clinton said, “not going to happen. I mean, what we want to have happen is for Sen. Obama to be nominated by a unified convention of Democrats. And as I have said, the best way I think — and I could be wrong — but the best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they have a role, and that their legitimacy has been validated. It’s as old as, you know, as Greek drama. You know, there is a catharsis. I mean, everybody comes and, you know, they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that’s all to the good. Because then, you know, everybody can go, ‘OK, great, now let’s go out and win. And that’s what we want people to feel. We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, ‘Well, you know, I’m just not satisfied, I’m not happy.’ Because, I mean, that’s what I’m trying to avoid.”

I heard her on local radio the other day pooh-poohing the veepessaship and warbling about how glad she is to be back in NYS, and how much she missed it, on the campaign.

(Let us all fetch our violins.)

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Hey Marisa, here’s an idea for your next heatwave.

69. marisacat - 7 August 2008


Yes I thought her commentary was to the point, as well.

I am wondering if Obama realises that the “cathartic” aspect is necessary.

And Hillary, for all the shenanigans she and Bill pull, was pretty clear, she won’t be winning the roll call.

Hart went into the convention with far lower numbers than Hillary, and pushed for roll calls, as I recall. And Kennedy had pathetic numbers (but much entitlement, LOL) and made trouble.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Gee, I wonder how much more media coverage screaming “terrorism” we’d be seeing and reading if the face in this mugshot was a darker hue:

Federal authorities are now involved with the investigation surrounding Bethesda teenager Collin McKenzie-Gude, who was charged with attempted carjacking and second-degree assault Monday after previously being arrested by Montgomery County police on July 30 for possession of firearms by a minor and possession of explosive material.

The FBI, CIA, U.S. Secret Service and the Pentagon became involved after a map of Camp David, a presidential motorcade map, counterfeit identification cards, including one from the CIA, and a list outlining things to accomplish by October 2008 were found in McKenzie-Gude’s home, according to Assistant State’s Attorney Peter Feeney.

This new information came to light Aug. 5 during a bond review hearing for McKenzie-Gude, who was headed to American University’s School of International Service in the fall.

McKenzie-Gude, 18, turned himself over to police on July 30 and was charged with five counts of possession of a firearm or ammunition by a minor, possession of a destructive device and possession of explosive material.

Before he had turned himself over to police, McKenzie-Gude attempted to carjack at man on July 29. According to police, at 11:46 a.m., McKenzie-Gude approached a 78-year-old man in the second-level garage near Bloomingdale’s at White Flint and demanded the man’s keys as he tried to lock his car. When the man refused, McKenzie-Gude struck him with his elbow, knocked him to the ground and grabbed the keys, police said. The teen tried to start the car but couldn’t, and fled. The man was treated at the scene for relatively minor injuries.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008


Black “leadership” formations abdicated their responsibility to make demands of Obama when it could have made a difference: during, and in the months before, the primaries. Obama has not been compelled to justify his policies as they relate specifically to African Americans – the only major ethnic group whose misleadership class has given him a free pass. The duty to demand that Obama be made accountable to Black people has devolved to alternative structures and parties shunned by the corporate media – activists that have found they must barge into the choreographed Democratic Party conversation to make legitimate Black concerns heard.

Thirty-one year-old Diop Olugbulu and fellow members of the International People’s Democratic Uhuru Movement – probably to their own surprise – succeeded in gaining seats at the top of the bleachers behind Obama at the high school in St. Petersburg, strategically situating themselves in front of the television cameras. Obama was caught visibly off-guard and, stammering in his ridiculous pseudo-southern accent, allowed the dissenters to go first in the question and answer session – all of it caught on YouTube. Olugbulu made his case:

“In the face of the numerous attacks that are made against the African community, or the Black community, by the same United States government that you aspire to lead – and we’re talking about the attacks like the subprime mortgage that you spoke of, that wasn’t just a general ambiguous kind of phenomenon but a phenomenon that targets the African community and Latino community. Attacks like the killing of Sean Bell by the New York police department, and Javon Dawson, right here in St. Petersburg, by the St. Pete police, and the Jena Six and Hurricane Katrina, and the list goes on,” said Olugbulu, the Uhuru Movement spokesman.

72. marisacat - 7 August 2008


loved the comments at the cafe granita recipe, too.

73. marisacat - 7 August 2008


I am sort of holding off reading the Bai article on the state of Black leadership if Ob wins, but some of the excerpts around are interesting in extracted comments from Artur Davis (geesh, such a privileged baby, that one) and Valerie Jarrett.

Good luck to them all…

The Black Nationalists caught Ob out, and probably won’t be going away, silently into the dark night…

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

I love that food blog.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Shocking Pictures: U.S. Military Holding Detainees in Small Crates

As President George Bush is in China lecturing his counterparts on human rights and detainee rights, pictures have emerged of the U.S. military’s use of small crates to hold detainees in Iraq. The wooden boxes are only 3 feet by 3 feet by 6 feet tall, but the Bush Administration insists that it is a perfectly humane way to hold detainees. That is no doubt something that Chinese will find instructive.

The boxes are used for up to 12 hours at a time. The average Iraqi male is 5 feet 9 inches tall.

In some ways, the exchange of information with the Chinese is only fair. After all, it was recently disclosed that we used torture manuals from the Chinese to torture our own detainees, here.

China previously defended its own abuses by citing the advances of the Bush administration in this area,

There are pictures in the CNN story he links to, including diagrams to show just how tight a fit they are.

This country has no right to lecture anybody about human rights.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Rosa Clemente Rocks Brooklyn

In an event that was literally thrown together in less than a week, Rosa managed to assemble some of the biggest names on the NYC hip hop activist scene at Public Assembly (on the former site of Williamsburg hipster joint Gallapagos), and what an evening of cultural crossover there was. All of the artists, from Poet & Hip Hop/Reggaeton Artist La Bruja’s poetry, to Umi of P.O.W.’s hard core lyrics, from NY Oil’s powerful message (he had been recently been asked to do a song for an Obama CD – my guess is he will now be uninvited – oops!), to the clever lyrics and rhythms of Rebel Diaz (my favorites of the evening), it was a night to remember. What these artist all had in common was a love for Rosa Clemente, and a deep commitment to social justice. All of them are fighting to reclaim the medium from the misogynist rappers and gangstas that have been such a destructive force in communities of color.

That these artists are such a natural fit in the Green Party was a surprise to artists and Greens alike, but it bodes well for the future of the party, the future of the Hip Hop movement as they become politically active and realize that they have real power is they don’t let the Democrats take them for granted, and the future of the McKinney/Clemente campaign. New petitioners and volunteers were organized for the Cynthia McKinney campaign, money was raised, and everyone had a great time. Now if we only had a few weeks to plan the event, imagine what we could do?

77. marisacat - 7 August 2008

via Instapundit:

HMM: McCain takes lead on YouTube hits: “Mr. McCain has beat Mr. Obama’s channel for seven straight days and 11 of the past 14 days, in a signal he intends to compete for the YouTube vote. That is a giant reversal. Mr. Obama had been quadrupling Mr. McCain’s YouTube views and beat him every day since February, according to TubeMogul, which tracks online video viewing.”

One thing about old time pols, they just keep trucking on.

78. NYCO - 7 August 2008

65. By 1980 the opening ceremony tickets were up to $50. The opening ceremony lasted a mere hour.

Actually, Lake Placid ’80 was considered quite a logistical clusterfuck. They even seriously debated banning spectators after the Games had started. And it pissed off the people who’d paid for event tickets, that other people could wander up to a fence at some events and get a better view for free.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

I think most of that big jump in You Tube hits was links to the Britney/Paris ad.

80. marisacat - 7 August 2008

lol.. just heard a quote from ob that ”we don’t want catharsis”, we want energy and excitement”…

81. marisacat - 7 August 2008

one thing i can say about the nikki tinker run against cohen down in memphis, the republicans [and rightie blahggers] are milking it for all its got.

82. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

Those granitas sounds tasty!

83. Intermittent Bystander - 7 August 2008

80 – Without catharsis, prepare for catarrh . . . .

84. marisacat - 7 August 2008

hmmm an hour on KGO radio turned over to the issue of, I guess for want of better short hand, PUMA issues and convention roll call issues (and again, try to remember Hart and Kennedy in the 80s…) has become a raging screaming race fest.

Just lovely.

And, we are so liberal out here.

I gritted my teeth when the host junked his planned topci to pick up on the ”issue” of the day… I figured it would go bad, and it did.

85. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Catarrh (pronounced /kəˈtɑr/) is a thick exudate of mucus and white blood cells caused by the swelling of the mucous membranes in the head in response to an infection. It is a symptom usually associated with the common cold and chesty coughs, but can also be found in patients with infections of the adenoids, middle ear, sinus or tonsils. The catarrh may either discharge or cause a blockage which may become chronic.


agree, what I hear over and over in terms of handling post primary issues – I hear reverberations of how Ob [badly mis]handled Wright and the disinvite from the announce day in Springfield. Beyond less than adept. And still paying for it. (and I had no dog in that lousy fight).

Good luck to someone.

86. NYCO - 7 August 2008

One more Olympic note… the Guardian sez of Beijing ’08:

It will certainly start with a bang as 35,000 fireworks illuminate the five-hour ceremony.

Well, that ought to clear the atmosphere!

and… FIVE HOURS?!?

87. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Ob – and McCain – go a Jesusing in TIME mag. Remember, a smile defeats the gag reflex. So they say… LOL

For example, I believe in tough law enforcement and commonsense gun laws to keep our children safe from an epidemic of violence. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels somebody disrespected him, that’s not just a government problem — it’s a moral problem. Solving problems like this will require changes in government policy, but it will also require a change in hearts and a change in minds. That’s a lesson that friends of mine like Pastor Rick Warren and Bishop T.D. Jakes know well.

Oh I so want to live under the yoke of the likes of Warren and Jakes. Bi-racialing the game of jesus in the front pocket shit kickers.

I can easily see that secular organisations in troubled inner city will get shoved aside for religious+moral+OFB band aids. Wll, most of it is a band aid, so why stress.

88. marisacat - 7 August 2008


The only [relatively] recent Olympics opening ceremony that I watched was Barcelona, 92. Longish (and I found it very wonderful and beautiful), but I don’t think 5 hours. Supposedly NBC will be covering opening ceremonies for 5+ hours.

i saw some smuggled tape of opening ceremony practise, think S Korea got a hold of it. What can I say, basically teh totalitarian wave effect, masses of people in variations of mass movement, voer and over. It may very well be much mroe than that, but that is what I saw in the smuggled film.

89. diane - 7 August 2008


Hmmmm, I thought they called “crates” with those dimensions coffins?

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 August 2008

Film director Zhang Yimou is running the opening ceremony:

BEIJING — For much of the past quarter century, the Chinese director Zhang Yimou made films that showcased his country’s struggle against poverty, war and political misrule to the outside world — films that Chinese, for the most part, never saw.

Time and again, Mr. Zhang’s terse, gritty epics were banned by government censors for portraying China’s ugly side. When he won an award at the Cannes Film Festival in 1994, the authorities stopped him from attending. Up for an Oscar one year, officials lobbied to have his film withdrawn from the competition.

But when the Olympics kick off Friday at China’s new National Stadium, with President Hu Jintao of China, President Bush and other world leaders in attendance and perhaps one billion people watching live on television, Mr. Zhang will preside over the opening ceremonies.

Nearly two years in the making, his spectacle is intended to present China’s new face to the world with stagecraft and pyrotechnics that organizers boast have no equal in the history of the Games. Whether or not it succeeds, it will underscore one reality of a rising China: many leading artists now work with, or at least not against, the ruling Communist Party.

Rising nationalism and pride in China’s emergence as an economic power, and robust state support for artists who steer clear of political defiance, have transformed China’s cultural landscape since the early part of this decade. Today, directors, writers and painters who seek to expose the darker side of authoritarian rule not only enrage the censors, but also often find themselves shut out of the lucrative market for Chinese art, books and film. Many of those who find less political outlets for their talent, on the other hand, can get rich.

“People really are selling their talent in a way that can make them money,” said Ai Weiwei, an internationally recognized artist based in Beijing. “They really know that if they work with the government, they’ll benefit.”

The opening ceremonies will represent a particularly momentous conversion for Mr. Zhang, whose experience during the horrors of Mao’s Cultural Revolution appeared to inform several of his internationally acclaimed — and domestically banned — films, including “Ju Dou” and “To Live.”

Mr. Zhang said in a recent interview that he never had political aims. His supporters say it is the Communist Party that has become more sophisticated, seeking to harness the country’s top talent and embrace a broader notion of national culture.

But critics accuse Mr. Zhang of making a pact with a political leadership that has a long record of restricting artistic freedom, playing the role of favored court artist — a kind of Chinese Leni Riefenstahl, creating beautiful backdrops for iron-fisted rulers.

“He went from being this renegade making films that were banned and an eyesore for the Chinese government to kind of being the pet of the government, in some people’s eyes,” said Michael Berry, who teaches contemporary Chinese culture at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “It’s almost a complete turnaround from his early days.”

I know there were many complaints that his film “Hero” was a capitualation to state power.

Beijing, in turn, has promoted Mr. Zhang, giving his recent films favorable opening dates that bolster box office returns. The country’s film authorities allowed one of his recent movies to open at the Great Hall of the People. Cultural authorities even lobbied Hollywood executives to get his big-budget martial arts film, “Hero,” an Oscar.

Some Chinese critics panned “Hero” as an implicit homage to authoritarian rule. While it did not win an Oscar, it became one of the highest grossing foreign films in the American market.

His films are often visually very beautiful.

91. diane - 7 August 2008

Ford Told FBI of Skeptics on Warren Commission

”Confidential FBI files released this week to The Washington Post detail the inner workings of a secret back channel that Gerald R. Ford opened in 1963 between J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI and the Warren Commission’s independent investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.


A December 1963 memo recounts that Ford, then a Republican congressman from Michigan, told FBI Assistant Director Cartha D. “Deke” DeLoach that two members of the seven-person commission remained unconvinced that Kennedy had been shot from the sixth-floor window of the Texas Book Depository. In addition, three commission members “failed to understand” the trajectory of the slugs, Ford said.

Ford told DeLoach that commission discussions would continue and reassured him that those minority points of view on the commission “of course would represent no problem,” one internal FBI memo shows. The memo does not name the members involved and does not elaborate on what Ford meant by “no problem.”

Ford also told DeLoach that Chief Justice Earl Warren, who headed the commission, had told its members that “they should strive to have their hearings completed and the findings made public prior to July, 1964, when the Presidential campaigns will begin to get hot. He stated it would be unfair to present the findings after July.” They missed their deadline, concluding in a report issued Sept. 24, 1964, that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination.


“Ford indicated he would keep me thoroughly advised as to the activities of the Commission,” DeLoach wrote. “He stated this would have to be done on a confidential basis, however he thought it should be done.” ….

DeLoach was absolute scum, just as bad as Hoover, that makes Ford……….

92. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Lovely people. I had not heard of this event, and subsequent suit against Victoria Osteen, the wif of the preacher-man.

93. diane - 7 August 2008

I presume that women in the photo, with the nasty sneer, is Victoria…yeah, they look like a lovely couple…

94. marisacat - 7 August 2008

Cohen won big in memphis, against Nikki Tinker, who apparently was also a Ford family prodigy.

Late Late Update: With 98% of precincts reporting, Cohen’s lead has still held at 79%-19%.

via TPM

95. lucid - 8 August 2008


#42 Do you know what time (Sept 6) and where (location of stage) you will be playing?? (I’m assuming this event will be setup like the Lowell Folk Fest, multi stage and staggered times).

No, but Ill keep you posted…

I had a thousand thoughts as I perused this thread.

But the biggest one is the Olympics…The excuse is that ‘the air is so bad over there’. I would actually concur with that given recent excursions to Central America. But they had an Olympics in Mexico City, where the world first witnessed a show of black solidarity amongst Americans, despite. Maybe the China Games can be a display against environmental discrimination. Or can have a show disclaiming the degenerate internal policies of corporate sponsors with respect to any human value…

Or maybe Lori Wilkerson will just dive her way to history and make us forget all of the shit that actually matters – because in that moment, what she did, was the standard of beauty.

Or maybe we wait for an Olympics that is international… that is covered by the world, for the world – severed from an audience that laps up its own vomit.

96. marisacat - 8 August 2008

post Mexico City, and specifically written into the by laws for this one from the IOC, any religious or political statement is banned.

I think competitors are so locked into corporatism now, that they hew the line. Their desire to block particulate pollution ends up being a political act… (loved the black stretchy masks filmed at Beihing airport, good graphic image!)

97. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

BBC Olympics coverage. (Looks like live feeds will be blocked on this side of the pond.)

98. NYCO - 8 August 2008

88. The only [relatively] recent Olympics opening ceremony that I watched was Barcelona, 92. Longish (and I found it very wonderful and beautiful),

Indeed. I mean, a guy lit the Olympic torch with a flaming arrow. How can you ever top that? You can’t. They should have just called a permanent moratorium on all future Olympic opening ceremonies right there. No point in doing any more of them.

99. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008
100. marisacat - 8 August 2008

And you know when I saw film of that arrow shoot about a week ago, I had no memory of it…. But I do remember some of the amazing very lyrical scenes, or acts or whatever one calls that sort of event. Very beautiful, from performance to colors to the whole of it.

Antoehr reason that mass totalitarian waves would be a comedown.

I think i watched some of Athens, the entrance of the athletes by nation, which I used to rather enjoy… but it is kind of foggy in my memory.

I watched the 80 summer ceremonies in Russia, and loved them. BIG mistake not to go.

101. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

The president of Georgia was just on CNN International with split-screen video of Russian tanks headed thataway.
Reuters report includes his assertion that Georgia has “downed” 2 Russian jets.
Q & A: South Ossetia dispute at the GuardianUK.

102. NYCO - 8 August 2008

The 1980 boycott was so stupid. And ironic. Here we are, 25 years later… in Afghanistan.

103. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

One of MSNBC’s Beijing Olympics correspondents reported that 3 Americans were arrested for “Free Tibet” banner protest.

104. NYCO - 8 August 2008

These American Tibet protesters are becoming tedious considering the fact that most of them probably cheerfully live on land that they know was stolen from Native Americans. Gimme a break — China has got no monopoly on human rights violations against indigenous groups.

105. lucid - 8 August 2008

104 – which is why everyone else should have boycotted the 1984 and 1996 games…

106. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

Gimme a break — China has got no monopoly on human rights violations against indigenous groups.

What?! Equestrian kneecappers! Leave those high horses alone!

Mutter mutter . . . shining city on a hill . . . gasp, sputter . . . AMBER ALERT on WAVES of homeland GRAIN!

107. NYCO - 8 August 2008


Indians Gain a Slim Victory in Suit Against Government

Judge Robertson did not actually order the government to pay; hearings on that question are scheduled for later this month. And he was scathing at times in describing how the case had illuminated government mismanagement, including a long trail of lost or destroyed records about money owed to Indians for timber leases, oil leases and other activities.

“Historical wrongs,” the judge wrote, “could have been — and should have been — settled by the same political branches in recognition of their own failure.”

But the judge disagreed with the argument by lawyers for an estimated 500,000 descendants of the original trust holders, who argued that the accounting should factor in how much the government improperly gained — by using the Indian money for its own benefit, in lower borrowing costs or interest earned, for example — over decades.

You see, it’s not about human rights; it’s about the wrongs you have the power to get away with.

The most forward-thinking Indian nations started putting out feelers to the international community decades ago. The Onondagas and some other Haundenosaunee have been lobbying the international community since the 1920s (first the League of Nations, and more recently the U.N.)

It’ll be real interesting when the U.S. has lost world dominance and those chickens at last come home to roost.

108. marisacat - 8 August 2008

I heard the Olympci protesters the ones that scaled the whatever it was right by the bird’s nest are already in San Francisco (and not the ones who protested at the Chinese Consulate yesterday)

109. marisacat - 8 August 2008

nu thred……………


……….. 8) ……………….

110. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

108- An AP report mentioned some religious (and anti-abortion) protesters were already returned to LA, too, for putting up a “Christ is King” banner earlier the week.

MSNBC seems to be talking about a new trio detained just today.

111. marisacat - 8 August 2008

It’ll be real interesting when the U.S. has lost world dominance and those chickens at last come home to roost.

I fear we will maintain our world wide military bases, as “we, the people”, rot at home. I have a hard time seeing the USA!! USA!! war and stadium rally side of America, letting go. We will be mowed down at home before they give up GWoT and the 1000 bases (we admit to over 700, but Chalmers Johnson says closer to a thousand, some part of that dark black hole that is our truth).

112. marisacat - 8 August 2008


I cannot keep up with protests… LOL.

113. NYCO - 8 August 2008

111. I don’t quite share the pessimism. I also think many people overlook the fact that the federal government does not have the complete sway everyone thinks it does. There are other, sometimes much older political centers of authority in this country – certain state governments, for example, and even smaller entities – which do have the ability to cause trouble. Limited ability, true, but the state governments have been restive and probably will continue to be.

Our federal government is not a monolith; it is superimposed over other local polities that are being just strongly suppressed, not totally controlled. In the end, the salient question is “Oh yeah? You and what army?”

In the end the superimposed federal government will fail (not in our lifetimes though) and North America will break up into its constituent parts (which may or may not be official “nation-states”), along the traditional lines of trade routes and strategic natural resources. And any rearrangements will coalesce around these older, more stable polities – not along partisan lines. Thus, all that silliness about California and the Northeast teaming up to become One True Blue America vs. Jesusland… ain’t ever gonna happen.

114. marisacat - 8 August 2008

In the end the superimposed federal government will fail (not in our lifetimes though) and North America will break up into its constituent parts (which may or may not be official “nation-states”),

Oh I agree with that. I won’t live to see it, but it is fully coming.

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