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“Lucky” they weren’t shot. I guess… 8 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

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BERWYN HEIGHTS, Md. — Mayor Cheye Calvo got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch and put it on a table inside.

A few moments later, police with guns drawn kicked in the door and stormed in, shooting the couple’s two dogs to death and seizing the unopened package.

In it were 32 pounds of marijuana. But the drugs evidently didn’t belong to the couple.

Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half-dozen unsuspecting recipients.

One of the two men under arrest is a FedEx deliveryman; investigators said he would drop off a package outside a home, and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up.

A furious Calvo said Thursday that he and his wife, Trinity Tomsic, are asking the Justice Department to investigate the July 29 raid.

“Trinity was an innocent victim and random victim,” Calvo said outside his two-story, red-brick house in this middle-class Washington suburb of about 3,000 people. “We were harmed by the very people who took an oath to protect us.”

Shooting and or tasering is about all the cops left out. he and his mother-in-law were handcuffed while the cops interrogated them. He in his shorts. Their two dogs, black Labs said to be running from the room, shot dead.


in service too long.

In a somehow or other related case out here in the Big Bad West… there has been a months long spate of “take over” robberies of smallish neighborhood restaurants in Oakland. After the first 8 or 9, the cops managed to arrest, iirc, 3 of 4 suspects (and as frustrated residents pointed out, the tougher districts don’t get help for crimes inside the neighborhood, nor are arrests normally made in killings/shootings)… but now in the recent weeks (8 hold-ups in 13 days) it has started up again. In the robberies, no one has been harmed or killed, the perpetrators mostly young and nervous (from reports), and Oakland has a spiraling homicide rate (80 so far, last I heard, the weekends are a regular blood bath), but it is part of a whole… Other recent events are the torching of – so far – empty houses on blocks where people have tried to cooperate with police on drug running, selling.

Oakland is a tinder box. The list is long. I hear calls on local LIBERAL radio for the NG to be brought in (not a solution IMO, and… guess where they are?) or to conduct warrantless raids on ‘the projects’, apartment by apartment. And so it goes. The hours spent with listener call-ins on Oakland crime turn to scream fests.

In the midst of this (following the first swarm of robberies and before the current spate) a problematical City Administrator was finally fired, leaving under a thick swarm of clouds (along with a laundry list, she may, or may not, have interfered with a long planned raid of Acorn, a West Oakland gang)… and was often the excuse little got done, City Hall – and the mayor – was consumed by the on-going drahma.

Mayor Ron Dellums, a past master at the hand-off, the walk-on, the walk-by — and the speech, has advised restaurants to hire private security and he has speculated on maybe bringing in The Guardian Angels. Or, LOL, maybe a mix of both. There you go, the plan.

Why pay taxes? And to further ice the cake, has disarmingly tossed off that the robberies are “due to the economy”… No, really? Such news, and something better left unsaid. It just roils the boiling waters.



1. lucid - 8 August 2008

One of my best friend’s father passed away a few days ago. He was a real journalist and one of the last of his kind in the MSM. There will be no ‘Timmeh love’ for his passing, because he was far too knowledgeable for the US audience, but at least an ABC journalist realizes who has been lost.

2. JJB - 8 August 2008

Russia and Georgia very suddenly find themselves at war:

Russia sent troops rolling into a breakaway region of Georgia on Friday after Georgian troops sought to enter the capital of the pro-Russian enclave, in a sharp escalation of the longstanding conflict.

Russia sent troops rolling into a breakaway region of Georgia on Friday after Georgian troops sought to enter the capital of the pro-Russian enclave, in a sharp escalation of the longstanding conflict.

Georgia is a strong American ally whose shift toward the West and pursuit of NATO membership has angered Russia. Washington said Friday that it would send an envoy to the region to try to broker an end to the fighting.

The clashes raised the specter of a wider conflict in the Caucasus region, a key conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian Sea to world markets and an area where violent conflict has flared for years along Russia’s borders, most recently in Chechnya.

Georgian forces said Friday that they had won control of the capital of the rebel enclave, South Ossetia, but Russian peacekeepers in the city said they had not seen Georgian troops in the capital, Tskhinvali. One unconfirmed report said Georgian forces had shot down two Russian planes; Georgia said its aircraft had bombed a convoy of Russian tanks that moved into the area.

Russia’s Channel 1 television showed Russian tanks entering South Ossetia. It reported that two battalions reinforced by tanks and armored personnel carriers were approaching the capital.

The Russian Defense Ministry said it was sending reinforcements to protect its peacekeepers already on the ground there.

Separatist leaders in Tskhinvali said casualties were in the hundreds, though the claim was impossible to verify. Eduard Kokoity, the president of South Ossetia, told the Russian news agency Interfax that hundreds of civilians had been killed.

The White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, said the Bush administration had been talking to both sides to resolve the crisis.

“We urge restraint on all sides — that violence would be curtailed and that direct dialogue could ensue in order to help resolve their differences,” she said.


South Ossetia and Abkhazia gained de facto independence from Georgia in the late 1990s, after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The region settled into a tenuous peace monitored by Russian peacekeepers, but frictions with Georgia increased sharply in 2004, when Mr. Saakashvili came to power and made national unification a centerpiece of his agenda. Since then an uneasy truce has reigned, with fighting between South Ossetia and Georgian forces erupting sporadically.

Earlier this year, Russia announced that it was broadly expanding support for the separatist region.

The latest clashes between the Georgian military and separatist forces began last weekend. South Ossetia accused Georgia of firing mortars into the enclave after six Georgian policemen were killed in the border area by a roadside bomb. As tensions grew, South Ossetia began sending women and children out of the enclave.

Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment — with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week — to reclaim the territory. Russia also may be seeking to draw attention away from another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia, where it has been under pressure to allow a settlement between pro-Russian and pro-Georgian factions, analysts said.

The refugee crisis appeared to intensify Friday as relief groups said thousands of refugees, mostly women and children, were now streaming across the border into the North Caucasus city of Vladikavkaz in Russia in an attempt to escape the fierce fighting.

President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia promised to “punish” those responsible for what he called “a deep violation of international law” by Georgia that he said had led to the deaths of Russian citizens and Russian peacekeepers stationed in Tskhinvali.


The head of a Russian peacekeeping force in the city, Marat M. Kulakhmetov, said in a telephone interview that the city had come under “massive attack” by the Georgians and that civilians had been wounded. As he spoke, shooting could be heard in the background.

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian official, said Georgians had seen Russian forces, including “hundreds of soldiers and dozens of armored vehicles, including tanks,” move up the military highway into the Caucasus Mountains that ties the separatist enclave to Russia.

By morning, they had passed through a mountain tunnel into the northern portion of the enclave, he said. “They are on Georgian territory now.”

“We don’t know whether they are militias or regular Russian forces,” he said. “As they carry heavy equipment, we think they must be regulars. We don’t know. We just know they are coming to attack us.”

He said Georgian Su-25 ground attack airplanes had struck the convoy and that the Georgians believed they had caused casualties and destroyed Russian armored vehicles.

3. marisacat - 8 August 2008

thaks for that JJB… reminds me to go check Asia TImes, see what they are saying.

Generally, I think we seek all (or much) of ths fracturing, as it benefits us, more parcels that we can acquire as aligned or vassal states.

4. marisacat - 8 August 2008

I will take a wild leap and say we are out of ideas… (via Ambinder)

Barack Obama’s Convention Theme

08 Aug 2008 02:09 pm

It’s Renewing America’s Promise.

Which reminds me of President Bush’s 2000 convention theme: Renewing America’s Purpose.

And reminds a colleague of one of Hillary Clinton’s signature messages: “Renewing the Promise of America.”

5. JJB - 8 August 2008


We’ve been backing the Georgians for some time now, part of our attempt to encircle Russia with client states, some of which are former members of the Russian/Soviet empire (the Baltic States, Ukraine, etc.). It’s a good thing Georgia is not yet a part of NATO, since we’d be bound by treaty to come to her aid (as would all othe NATO members). Bismark was a lot smarter in the way he went about it during 1871-91.

This has happened so quickly, I don’t know if any website other than those allied with television news networks will have all that much. I’m off to look at the BBC, plus CNN, MSNBC (I usually avoid the latter two).

6. marisacat - 8 August 2008

yes all of those “color” revolutions, like Orange in Ukraine. Ours, all ours. The long term goal, not just with Russia, is to break up hegemonies. As I see it.

7. marisacat - 8 August 2008

brrrrrrrreaking… KGO radio has a rumor (that I guess the networks were buying) that Ob is announcing his VP. Then suddenly – a pause- and we go to commerical.

Hold that thought.

8. marisacat - 8 August 2008

It must be a ruse, the wire from the network seemed to say it was Edwards. LOL That is why KGO stopped. With the love child? I don’t thnk so.

As they say, developing…………………………………

9. NYCO - 8 August 2008

4. Is that like the “theme” or “platform” required of Miss America contestants?

10. JJB - 8 August 2008

Don’t know if anyone else has posted about this, but there was some very interesting news out of Tennessee, where a GOP incumbent Congresscritter was nosed out in the party primary by an opponent who accused him of being in the pocket of the big oil companies:

Republican members of Congress have been pushing Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) to take immediate action on offshore oil drilling, calling for Congress to return to Washington to pass legislation on the matter. Pelosi, however, has vowed not to let the legislation come up for a vote.

Offshore oil drilling offers a boon to big oil companies, which often can be good for a candidate’s campaign coffers but may now prove costly at the polls. Just ask freshman republican Representative David Davis of Tennessee who lost his re-election bid in a Republican primary Thursday night.

Davis suffered a narrow defeat: losing by 500 votes out of 51,000 cast. He was upset by Johnson City Mayor Phil Roe in a state where an incumbent congressmember hasn’t lost in more than four decades.

The campaign became particularly bitter. Roe’s campaign decided on an aggressive strategy tying Davis to big oil companies like Exxon Mobil XOM, accusing Davis of taking money from Political Action Committees (PACs) supporting big oil companies. The attack move paid off for Roe.

Voters chose change in the primary election. Davis is the fourth incumbent Congressman to lose in a primary election this year, which should send shivers through politicians running for re-election this fall.

The primary race in Tennessee may offer some insight into the larger political fight taking place in national politics.

I’ve no idea if the victorious Roe is anything more than a generic GOPerative, but it certainly is interesting that he adopted this old-style populist approach (once very effective even in such oil states as Texas and Oklahoma), and that it seems to have worked for him.

BTW, it seems that McCain’s top foreign policy, Randy Scheunemann, was until recently a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government, which means of course that McCain will be getting really sensible, objective analysis on this topic (about which he probably knows absolutely nothing) from him.

11. marisacat - 8 August 2008

hmm ABC however is confirming the affair. And the baby? too?

What a looney day.

12. marisacat - 8 August 2008


I completely missed that race.

13. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Edwards admits affiar. Via Ambinder

14. Intermittent Bystander - 8 August 2008

I think the Olympics are making this the mother of all news dump Fridays.

Edwards Admits Sexual Affair; Lied as Presidential Candidate

But he didn’t love her and he ain’t her baby daddy.

15. NYCO - 8 August 2008

Really IB, I was thinking the same thing. All we need now is a spectacular last-minute stock market crash from out of the blue. There’s 45 more minutes to squeeze that in!

16. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Well Edwards was stuck, as The Enquirer published the photos (kaus published the link at least by yesterday that I saw). And Mickey Kaus kept on it for days. And days. And days.

And then Michael Kinsley stepped up, Estrich, others, and said MSM cannot ignore it. Apparently MSM ws accepting it as true and waiting for this.

Gotta love the silly season

17. NYCee - 8 August 2008

Hey everyone…

Im in a whirl trying to get ready for a trip, but I wanted very much to post a diary on Obama and the I/P Conflict. I was gonna post it here as just a comment, but then I thought I’d spread the love. About his typical lack of evenhandedness, as shown in the Gibson interview, which I found quite good. Couldnt take the time to supply a lot of links to I/P info, just kept it on the interview. But, hell, let people start researching on their own. Im busy, and it’s time they started making the effort.

So, here it goes, such as it is: Obama & the Mideast Conflict: Smoke and One Mirror

18. marisacat - 8 August 2008


NYCee, your first comment…. what a hoot:

It sounds like your choices are Nader & McKinney (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
second gen

I guess that’s better than no choices at all.

by wtu on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 12:14:46 PM PDT

19. NYCee - 8 August 2008


Well, guess what. Of all the luck, after all that effort, I am competing with the 460 comment (last look) diary trumpeting that Edwards did indeed have that affair, he’s admitted it, it’s on the MSM – I think Nightline interview tonight.

So much for the Palestinians. They cant compete with the Elizabeth/Rielle Conflict, or, should I title it: The Travels and Travails of Edward’s Dick?

Lol. Ugh.

20. JJB - 8 August 2008


While Edwards is admitting to the affair, I believe he is still claiming the child is not his, that the last time he had sex with the mother was more than 9 months prior to the kid’s birth. Quite a bit of money is involved in this of course if the kid turns out to be his child.

21. NYCee - 8 August 2008

600 plus now. And other diaries in the hundreds.

This was my only chance to post it, didnt even see what was happening, just rushed it out. (A college student is bemoaning that he/she gave $200 to Edwards! Now that thar is the school of hard knocks, aint it?)

Oh well, I leave him to his travels, back to mine…

22. NYCee - 8 August 2008

Could be glue on the cracked vase.

The two of them may be keeping up that charade to hopefully damp down some of the raging fire.

Or it may not be a charade.

However, if it is, and she doesnt want a paternity test/suit and he doesnt, they can keep it up. He may have offered/given her much more $$$ than she’d net from such action, causing her to skip all that.

23. marisacat - 8 August 2008

yeah but he has nto taken a paternity test and my take on RH from some interviews I caught of her in 06 (replayed recently) is she is a bit of a freak. the sort to get away from if you can (and he is no peach)… and the Enquirer photos show him with the babeeeeeeeeeee.

Call me suspicious. I read … think yesterday, that Don Fowler Sr said Edwards had to step up and finish this, clear it or admit it.

An adult stepped in, such as they exist in the DP.

24. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Or shall we assume that Edwards and his great good bud Andrew Young hand their wimmens back and forth? Cuz that leaps to mind.

25. JJB - 8 August 2008

Meanwhile, our brilliant POTUS chatted a bit with his old buddy Putin (into whose soul he managed to look when they first met) before heading off to do a sort of pep rally with the US Olympic athletes. The story’s headline (“Bush turns attention from politics to Olympics”) is remarkably misleading, BTW. This isn’t a matter of politics, it’s a full-blown international crisis, a war occuring in a part of the world that’s very close to regions in which we are waging war, and very close to the borders of one of our NATO allies. Substitute “diplomacy” for “politics” and it’s more accurate, as well as more damning w/r/t this hopelessly inadequate man’s feeble responses to world events.

Here is a link to an ABC story re Edwards denying parentage of the little girl. It notes he has yet to submit to a paternity test.

26. JJB - 8 August 2008

MCat, no. 24,

Gary Hart and Warren Beatty used to swap women while working on the McGovern campaign in ’72, according to a woman I once worked for who had labored on the campaign in California at a reasonably high level.

BTW, the little smiley face in the last post is inadvertent.

27. marisacat - 8 August 2008

The Big Catholic is ………..let down!

Former campaign manager Bonior: “Thousands of friends of the senators and his supporters have put their faith and confidence in him and he’s let him down.”

28. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Oh BTW, Prince Chunk, aka Powder, has been adopted. By a family in NJ, they say a diet is upcoming. hmmm I only had one friend who ever achieved feline weight loss… I was very impressed, but not anxious to undertake it myself….

29. JJB - 8 August 2008

Here’s the lead BBC story re the Russian attack on Georgia. Some salient points highlighted at the end of the article:

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called on Russia to pull its troops out of Georgia and respect its territorial integrity.

Georgia’s president said his country was calling home 1,000 troops from Iraq to help deal with the crisis.

Russia said it would cut all air links with Georgia from midnight on Friday.

The European security organisation, the OSCE, warned that the fighting in South Ossetia could escalate into a full-scale war.

The US and the EU were reported to be sending a joint delegation to the region to seek a ceasefire and Nato said it was seriously concerned.

Nice to see Condi is earning her salary . . .

30. JJB - 8 August 2008

Forgot the link, here it is.

31. JJB - 8 August 2008

Chris Floyd on the Crisis In The Causasas:

With the world distracted by the glitz and glam of the Olympic opening ceremonies in Beijing . . . the new Cold War fuelled by the old Cold Warriors in Washington took a sharp and bitter turn in Georgia.

Yesterday, Georgia’s American-educated, pro-NATO president, Mikhail Saakashvili sent a heavy force into the breakaway region of South Ossetia, which has enjoyed de facto independence since the early 1990s. Georgian forces shelled the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, and sent thousands of refugees fleeing north into Russia. Several Russian peacekeepers, which have been stationed in South Ossetia for years as part of earlier ceasefire agreements, were killed in the attack. Saakashvili announced that his invasion had “liberated” much of the region.

Today, in retaliation, Russian troops and tanks began moving into South Ossetia (where up to 90 percent of the population hold Russian passports) and reportedly bombed some installations in Georgia proper. Saakashvili immediately appealed to his chief patron, George W. Bush, to step in and save him from the Russian bear: “It’s not about Georgia any more,” he told CNN. “It’s about America, its values. We are a freedom-loving nation that is right now under attack.”


It is likely that Saakashvili — who has been making increasingly authoritarian gestures to quash dissent and investigations into charges of corruption and murder in his administration — will receive a sympathetic hearing from Bush. After all, under Saakashvili, Georgia is now the third-largest partner in war crime in Iraq, with some 2,000 troops taking part in the illegal occupation of the conquered land. Saakashvili has also avidly sought to bring Georgia into NATO, eagerly embracing the New Cold War strategy of ringing Russia with American proxy armies and bristling “missile defense” bases.

However, it is highly unlikely that he will get more than lip service (and perhaps a few black ops) out of Bush. Our steely tough American militarists never like to tangle with anyone who might actually fight back; they prefer to stomp around in broken states like Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. They are certainly not going to take direct action against what is still the second-most powerful military machine in the world. And even their options for indirect action are also limited. Thanks to Bush’s own Terror War, and its resultant upward spiral in oil prices, the Kremlin is floating on a sea of money at the moment — and also tightening its hold on Europe’s energy market.

32. marisacat - 8 August 2008

start laughing. Edwards’ statement


[I] am and have been willing to take any test necessary to establish the fact that I am not the father of any baby, and I am truly hopeful that a test will be done so this fact can be definitively established. I only know that the apparent father has said publicly that he is the father of the baby. I also have not been engaged in any activity of any description that requested, agreed to or supported payments of any kind to the woman or to the apparent father of the baby.. ::snap that towel::

33. marisacat - 8 August 2008


Our steely tough American militarists never like to tangle with anyone who might actually fight back; they prefer to stomp around in broken states like Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia.

ain’t it the truth.

34. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Edwards said one thing right:

In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic.

And, please, again, like so many of them, what the fuck did he EVER do, to merit a run for the presidency, or think he could screw up day after day on the Veepessa trail and yet think he could have it again? with RH and bambina in tow.

35. marisacat - 8 August 2008

This Week (moderated by Tapper): Govs. Jindal, Richardson

Meet the Press: Paulson

Face the Nation: Gov. Kaine, Rove

Fox News Sunday: McCain campaign manager Davis, Durbin

Late Edition: T. Boone Pickens, Gov. Rendell

36. JJB - 8 August 2008

My guess is that Edwards is trying to make a deal with the woman that will result in her taking less money than would normally be allotted in a paternity suit. If he’s really that confident she isn’t his child, all he would have to do is arrange for an immediate test.

37. ms_xeno - 8 August 2008

Y’know, every time there’s another dust-up around here about bad cops, there’s always someone right on hand to proclaim that the general public is just a mass mind of stupidity that doesn’t UNDERSTAAAANNDD. We should all volunteer to go on a ride-along with Portland’s finest so we can UNDERSTAAAAAAAANNNDD the glory of the LE mind.

Yeah, I really want to get inside the mind, not to mention ride around in the car, of somebody who thinks it’s a jolly good lark to shoot at a fleeing pet during a drug raid.

Fuck it.

38. aemd - 8 August 2008

Bernard over at Moon of Alabama has some interesting thoughts and links on South Ossetia.

39. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Hey. I just found out that Edwards is the son of a mill worker.

40. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Elizabeth Edwards has posted a diary at dkos. I wonder if the same people who crucified Hillary throughout her campaign for ‘standing by her man’ will do the same thing to Elizabeth. (Of course not. They’re bloody hypocrites.)

And….it’s 08.08.08 and 88 days til the election. And 8 is my favourite number. Do I get a prize or something?

41. ms_xeno - 8 August 2008
42. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

So, I’m watching the evening broadcast of the opening ceremonies. Visually really beautiful, but the fucking anchors WON’T SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Jesus, babble babble babble …

jesus, shut the fuck up and let people enjoy the performance w/out mediating it for them.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

Do I get a prize or something?

Have a cookie, catnip!

44. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Have a cookie, catnip!

Merci. 🙂 I knew someone here would come through for me.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

The scale and precision of these opening performances is pretty mindblowing.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

Woo hoo … we’re number two!!!:

America’s Hard-Drinking Cities

Austin, Texas, is famous for its parties. People flock from around the world to attend events like the annual South by Southwest film and music festival. And when they get there, chances are they make like the locals and throw back a few cold ones–because Austin may be the hardest-drinking city in America.

Austin ranks high for its drinking habits across the board. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) 2007 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System Survey, 61.5% of adult residents say they have had at least one drink of alcohol within the past 30 days, and a staggering 20.6% of respondents confess to binge drinking, or having five or more drinks on one occasion.

Coming in second on the list is Milwaukee. This city, known as “the nation’s watering hole,” has a long reputation as a city built on beer. It was once the nation’s top beer-producing city, home to four of the world’s largest breweries: Schlitz, Pabst, Miller and Blatz. Legendary sitcom characters Laverne and Shirley fixed bottle caps on one of the city’s assembly lines. Even the town’s baseball team–the Brewers–reflects its boozy past.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on the ballot

(08-08) 17:08 PDT SAN FRANCISCO — Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan qualified today for a November showdown with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, collecting the signatures needed to get on the ballot as an independent candidate for Congress.

“We’re very excited,” said Sheehan, 51, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq who is well-known for her protest outside President Bush’s Texas ranch. “Now we have to get organized and regroup.”

Republican Dana Walsh and Libertarian Philip Berg will join Pelosi and Sheehan on the Nov. 4 ballot.

The collection of signatures by Sheehan’s campaign was more exciting than usual. On Wednesday, the campaign was well short of the 10,198 signatures needed to get on the ballot after San Francisco elections officials found that more than 40 percent of the people who signed weren’t registered in the city’s Eighth Congressional District.

Sheehan’s supporters redoubled their efforts to collect enough signatures to beat the 5 p.m. Friday deadline, ultimately turning in more than 17,000 signatures to ensure that she qualified.

“It was a little disconcerting to see all the problems with the signatures,” Sheehan said from her Mission Street headquarters, where more than 100 supporters gathered to celebrate. “The last couple of days I’ve been checking the registrations myself on the computer.”

With her ballot spot guaranteed, Sheehan can focus on the fall campaign, where she will challenge Pelosi from the left, slamming the speaker for refusing to start impeachment proceedings against President Bush and not taking a stronger stance against the war in Iraq.

“The next part is going to be exciting,” she said. “I want at least one debate with all four candidates so that Nancy Pelosi has to answer for her record.”

48. marisacat - 8 August 2008

LOL via Mickey Kaus (yes what a shock Edwards is babbling):

Edwards: I Lied. Can I Go to Denver Now?He says he was “99% honest.”

By Mickey Kaus
Updated Friday, Aug. 8, 2008, at 6:48 PM ET

Your MSM buddy system at work: John Edwards has already broken his “will have nothing more to say” promise, calling CBS’s Bob Schieffer. Schieffer admits “I’ve known John Edwards a long time” and starts right in building the new Edwards myth:

“He said he said he just couldn’t live with the constant pounding from the tabloids. It wasn’t going to stop, I was being dogged and dogged, for the sake of my family I just had to end it, for the sake of my family. … “

Edwards also said, in Schieffer’s words, that he had “no plans to go to the Democratic convention”–which somehow gets transformed, in the Politico’s headline, into “Edwards to CBS: Won’t appear at convention.” Not the same thing. … According to a second Politico story, “he told ABC earlier that he was leaving the option open.” … 5:56 P.M

One fo the best ways to shut up, is to really shut up. I still say it was the photos (holding the babeeeee that is not his) and Fowler of the DP saying put up, or shut up.


49. marisacat - 8 August 2008


hey catnip………….

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

Why We Disrupted Obama’s Speech

On Friday, August 1st I led a contingent of the Uhuru Movement into Barack Obama’s town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Florida to raise the question, “what about the black community, Obama?” Without the benefit of a big media budget, our organization attempted to bring the serious issues experienced by African working class people across this country into the national political debate.

These issues include the targeting of African and Latino communities with predatory “sub-prime” mortgages – a scheme that has made millions for people like Obama’s chief financial advisor Penny Pritzker, while stripping black families of billions of dollars, the greatest loss of wealth our community has suffered since being brought in chains to this country. We also challenged Obama to take a stand against the police shootings of unarmed African people, and explain why he has publicly defended the judge’s acquittal of the NYC police who murdered Sean Bell.

He has said that he cannot speak out on behalf of those who have been historically oppressed for fear of offending other people. Yet in Miami, he promised the Jewish community, which considers itself a historically oppressed community, that he supports turning all of Jerusalem over to Israeli control, despite the internationally enforced sharing of that city with the Palestinians. When Obama speaks to black audiences, he attacks us, attributing our community’s poverty, not to systemic oppression, but to bad culture and lack of work ethic.

Barack Obama has criticized African fathers for abandoning our children, although a recent study showed that black fathers stay more involved with their children after a split from the mother than white fathers. And Obama says nothing of the unjust imprisonment of 1 in 9 black men of child-bearing age, the overwhelming majority of whom are locked up on minor drug or other non-violent economic violations stemming from conditions of desperate poverty. He has failed to achieve any meaningful program of economic development for the African community. In speaking to a group of black legislators, Obama said “a good economic development plan for our community would be if we make sure folks weren’t throwing their garbage out of their cars.”

Barack Obama wants to increase military spending and praised Clinton for abolishing AFDC and welfare. He has reversed his position opposing the death penalty and speaks out against reparations. He wants to escalate the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and has threatened Venezuela and Iran with military aggression. He has upheld the FISA, supporting wire-tapping and government spying on citizens. He receives unprecedented financial backing from Wall Street. His close advisors and potential cabinet members include war criminal Richard Clarke, Tri-lateral commission founder Zbigniev Brzezinski, Madeleine ‘it’s worth the price of 1 million dead Iraqi children’ Albright, and Free Trade advocates Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee.

Some argue that we must support Obama or else we are supporting McCain. We in the Uhuru Movement don’t believe our community should restrict our political options to a choice between one white ruling class party or another. In fact, the black community’s most recent experiences in the U.S. electoral arena have resulted not only in the Republican Party’s theft of our votes, but prior to that we suffered some of the worst attacks on our community at the hands of the Democratic Party administration of William Jefferson Clinton, who put 100,000 more police on our streets to murder our people, privatized the prisons to exploit our unpaid labor, and discontinued the public subsidies for impoverished children and families that had been won by African people as a concession to our movement of the 1960s.

African people’s experiences with these last several elections and the desperate conditions facing our community have created a willingness by our people to seek independent political alternatives. In response to this crisis, the white rulers put forward Barack Obama – a pied piper taking African people back into clutches of the Democratic Party. If anyone looks seriously at the positions, programs and advisors of Barack Obama, they will see that he does not stand for any kind of real change, but for the defense of the same old status quo, with a new face. America is in an economic crisis and the white ruling class hopes to save itself by deepening the exploitation of African people in the U.S. and on the continent of Africa, where the world’s biggest reserves of oil and precious minerals lie. How better to do it than with an African face at the head of state?

Our success as a people requires that we achieve our own independent political agenda. African people’s votes should be contingent on the willingness of a candidate to support and fight for that agenda. The International People’s Democratic Uhuru Movement has invited Barack Obama, John McCain and Cynthia McKinney to attend our annual convention on September 27-28 in St. Petersburg, Florida to clarify their position on the question, “what about the black community?” Based on their response, we will consider endorsement of a U.S. presidential candidate.

Diop Olugbala is the International Organizer for the International People’s Democratic Uhuru Movement

51. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Oh spare me. From the EE diary (I snagged it from an exceopt at Ambinder)

Our family has been through a lot. Some caused by nature, some caused by human weakness, and some – most recently – caused by the desire for sensationalism and profit without any regard for the human consequences.

52. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

I’m waiting for the “Leave Johnny alone!!” Youtube video.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

I’m waiting for another video (apologies to Michael Jackson):

People always told me be careful of what you do
And don’t go around breaking young girls’ hearts
And mother always told me be careful of who you love
And be careful of what you do ’cause the lie becomes the truth

Rielle Hunter is not my lover
She’s just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son

For forty days and forty nights
The law was on her side
But who can stand when she’s in demand
Her schemes and plans
‘Cause we danced on the floor in the round
So take my strong advice, just remember to think twice
(Do think twice)

She told me her name was Rielle Hunter as she caused a scene
Then every head turned with eyes that dreamed of being the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round

People always told me be careful of what you do
And don’t go around breaking young girls’ hearts
She came and stood right by me
Then the smell of sweet perfume
This happened much too soon
She called me to her room

Rielle Hunter is not my lover
She’s just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
Rielle Hunter is not my lover
She’s just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son
Rielle Hunter is not my lover
She’s just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son
She says I am the one, she says he is my son
She says I am the one
Rielle Hunter is not my lover

54. ms_xeno - 8 August 2008

I’m waiting for Obama to lecture wealthy White men about their shiftless siring of little babies out of wedlock.

55. marisacat - 8 August 2008


Fax Edwards that lecture he luvs to deliver to the black church folks. To the applause and huzzahs.

56. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Cue the Dragnet music

August is always entertaining in a quadrennial election year.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

54 – *** madman rushes to ms_x side, ready to provide a tracheotomy, as she is turning a frightening shade of blue ***

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

F.B.I. Says It Obtained Reporters’ Phone Records

WASHINGTON — The Federal Bureau of Investigation said Friday that it had improperly obtained the phone records of reporters for The New York Times and The Washington Post in the newspapers’ Indonesia bureaus in 2004.

Robert S. Mueller III, director of the F.B.I., disclosed the episode in a phone call to Bill Keller, the executive editor of The Times, and apologized for it. He also spoke with Leonard Downie Jr., the executive editor of The Washington Post, to apologize.

F.B.I. officials said the incident came to light as part of the continuing review by the Justice Department inspector general’s office into the bureau’s improper collection of telephone records through “emergency” records demands issued to phone providers.

The records were apparently sought as part of a terrorism investigation, but the F.B.I. did not explain what was being investigated or why the reporters’ phone records were considered relevant.

Somehow I doubt that was the only time.

59. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

I, for one, would like to thank Edwards for giving the National Enquirer the mainstream cred it so deserves. Heckuva job, Johnny.

60. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

No one could have foreseen the breach of the zipper.

61. marisacat - 8 August 2008

More EE

This was our private matter, and I frankly wanted it to be private because as painful as it was I did not want to have to play it out on a public stage as well.

LOL well they always were in over their heads. She seems to have missed Edwards also ran for the presidency at the same time.

It came out years ago, that Edwards had barely voted before his Big Run for the NC senate. It was a mid life career change for them, little more IMO.

62. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

One more: if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the vagina.

(I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waiter.)

63. marisacat - 8 August 2008


LOL well the FBI was only doing what Hewlett-Packard did… 😉

64. marisacat - 8 August 2008

Watching the opening ceremonies… Very beautiful in many ways, but so martial.

People like Webb will be cleaning and oiling their personal arsenals.

Jesus, right now in the evocation of Chinese maritime history it sounds like Ben Hur again.


65. marisacat - 8 August 2008


oh that made me laugh. it’s the vagina or the presidency. Or don’t whine if it did not work out. They are verging on whining now. NOT pretty you little Edwards folks.

66. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Johnny’s giving lawyers a bad name.

Oh, wait…

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008


No chunk to blockquote, but I like it.

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

I thought they were gonna shut up after the Nightline interview. Of course, donks aren’t that smart.

69. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Just watching Nightline here. Bizarre. It’s like watching a therapy session while Edwards continually says, as if trying to convince himself, that he’s the only one responsible for the affair.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

and not to sound too much like a whiney donk supporter, I do wish that the press had spent this much effort on Gingrich’s own sleazy record of adultry, since they seem to think this shit matters.

Not that it really matters. In my perfect world, drugs and prostitution would be legal and no one would give a fuck about meaningly bullshit like where politicians get their sex.

We plainly don’t live in my perfect world.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

oops, meaningLESS.

72. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

I was just surprised about all of the puritans who suddenly emerged online during the primary still holding grudges against Bubba and Hillary for his romp – like they took it personally.

73. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

Clarification: I meant Democratic and self-described “progressive” puritans.

74. marisacat - 8 August 2008

The Opening Ceremonies are a smash hit. Just divinely beautiful at times.

75. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

74. I tried to catch them twice today – both times coming in at the end of the show. I’ll watch the schedule for reruns.

76. raincat100 - 8 August 2008

#64 Watching the opening ceremonies… Very beautiful in many ways, but so martial.

People like Webb will be cleaning and oiling their personal arsenals.

LOL. *exactly* the point.

gorgeous color throughout the ceremony.

77. marisacat - 8 August 2008


I woould assume now that NBC network division has carried the first broadcast of it, that MSNBC will fully re telecast over night during the weekend.

It really is astonishingly beautiful, the device of using a scroll design is inspired.

78. marisacat - 8 August 2008


I actually don’t want to repeat the [sexual] slams and slurs against Hillary for CAUSING Bill to wander (he is so infirm and unable to be self determining I guess) that I heard a lot on so called local LIBERAL radio during the primaries.


79. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

It really is astonishingly beautiful, the device of using a scroll design is inspired.

I loved that, and I loved that it had breadth, and was willing to use symbolism. So NOT American. I loved all of the colors and variety.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 August 2008

Sadly, my cable feed froze right before the torch was lit, so I didn’t get to see that (Time Warner still needs to get its hi-def shit together). Will have to find a replay of that.

81. diane - 8 August 2008

Good to see you back catnip!

I hope you’re well settled from your move, I’ve found moving to be a real trying expererience in recent years.

82. diane - 8 August 2008

oops, meant experience

83. ms_xeno - 8 August 2008

#57– It’s not me you should worry about, Madman. It’s all the former Edwards Girls out there in Blogland. It’s gonna’ take a whole lot of healing mantras to get them through this dark weekend of the soul.

84. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008

81. As settled as I’m going to be until I move again. I’m still looking. Thanks, diane.

85. liberalcatnip - 8 August 2008


why would it have killed his chances? (0+ / 0-)

especially if he already ended the affair, and came clean with his wife and family about it, which, btw, he did.

by freaktown on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:34:08 PM PDT

new to this planet? (43+ / 0-)

by citizenx on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:35:26 PM PDT

86. marisacat - 8 August 2008

luv the comeback line, “new to this planet?”…

Just listening to the Nightline interview. Oh woe to the Edwards, he is still dissembling.

Good luck to someone.

87. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Mr and Mrs Mother Theresa… he sells them both as expecting, embracing ”a life of service to those with no voice”. For the rest of their lives.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I never bought that slobber from him… or her either…

88. bayprairie - 9 August 2008

heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned,
nor hell a fury like a koswhack scorned.

89. marisacat - 9 August 2008

But I don’t forgive you. And I suspect many of your long-time supporters will not either. How can we? Your betrayal of us and the Democratic Party was not a private matter.

What a scream!! The Great Betrayal of the Great Democatic Party.

What a lunatic MB is.

I am entertained that so many (including Bonior) bought the rather tinny denials.

90. marisacat - 9 August 2008


I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.

Edwards on the Lewinsky matter.

91. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 August 2008

I have to say I’m not terribly surprised by the Edwards affair story. But MB should be a little careful with his self-righteous rants – he’s going to have to come up with something similar when Obama has a bimbo eruption. Because I have no doubt that one is in the pipeline. Perhaps several.

You know these guys all have closets stuffed with skeletons. It goes with the territory.

Personally I don’t care – it’s their own private business and there’s no good reason that the rest of us have to hear about it. Or manufacture fake outrage about it.

The only thing I will say is that it’s a cautionary tale for smart women: EE and HC should never have given up their own careers and played “stand by your man” for guys who are less intelligent and less capable than they are. I am frankly tired of seeing the “narcissistic stud with the adoring wifey clinging to his arm” presented as the one and only acceptable model for political leadership.

92. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 August 2008

By the way, who coined the phrase “bimbo eruption” – was it DeeDee Myers? I love it.

93. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Lenin’s Tomb weighs in on S Ossetia, Georgia and whoever else:

[G]eorgia seems to have ‘invaded’ South Ossetia in a deliberate act of provocation, and – according to Reuters – are now attacking Ossetian separatists with jets and troops. One can only imagine that the pro-US Georgian leadership, which has ambitions to join NATO, had some sort of assent from Washington before acting in this way. After all, if it truly intends to withdraw 1,000 of its troops from Iraq to attack the South Ossetian independence movement, I would expect they had to ask Bush nicely first. (Incidentally, if successful, Georgia’s accession to NATO would commit other NATO countries to defend Georgia’s borders, even as independence movements in South Ossetia, Abkhazia – both of which have declared themselves separate from Georgia – and Ajaria take off). This doesn’t mean that Russia aren’t behaving aggressively themselves – they have been bolstering their power in South Ossetia for years, supporting the secessionists and so on – it just means that Georgia is the client of a bigger power than South Ossetia.

The big picture here is a battle between Washington and Moscow over political control of the oil and gas rich Central Asian territories. The Clinton-IMF reform process led to the creation of a bloc of pro-Western states across Central Asia, while the status of South Ossetia as an autonomous territory was defended by a joint Georgian-Russian peacekeeping force. Bush used the opportunity supplied by 9/11 to plot[ military bases across the region, thus encircling Russia’s southern flank with a new iron curtain and giving the US crucial military leverage against potentially hostile (probably Islamist) popular movements. ::anip::

94. marisacat - 9 August 2008

he’s going to have to come up with something similar when Obama has a bimbo eruption. Because I have no doubt that one is in the pipeline. Perhaps several.


95. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Bernie Mac died………………….. he was 50.

96. Intermittent Bystander - 9 August 2008

Wasted a bunch of time this morning trying to watch the opening ceremonies online. No can dooski, thanks to MSNBC’s stateside monopoly in combination with Microsoft’s stupid Windows Service Pack 2, which my PC has never been able to digest.

Obama’s doing Dem radio address today. Theme: Iraq’s budget surplus.

97. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Being 99% honest is not enough, it seems. Rielle Hunter’s family is calling for JE to get that paternity test, they say he is the father.

Life is tough.

98. Intermittent Bystander - 9 August 2008

Count on this making the Photoshop sites. . . .

99. marisacat - 9 August 2008

LOL Bush found a reason not to yawn …

100. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Bob Casey jr reportedly will speak at the convention and the platform (on abortion rights) will be weakened. ABC even had on camera with Kristin Daly of Democrats for Life.

And I would guess having to look a tad less libertine (in their tiny minds) as well as pro Catholic (McCain picking up numbers in that strata) is appealing.

101. ms_xeno - 9 August 2008

[snerk] The difference between philandering politicos and their constituents is that the former wields power over the latter that is in no way reciprocal. Witness Billy C., who couldn’t keep it in his pants for fifteen minutes at a time and yet whined when he was called out. Meanwhile he’s using women on welfare and their kids as a moralistic can he gets to kick and stomp on whenever it pleases him. Anyone who didn’t notice that the Reagan and post-Reagan open season on “welfare queens” was as much about punishing “sluts and whores” for having sex wasn’t paying much attention. If you could peddle the lie that most of those “sluts and whores” weren’t White, so much the better.

Cry me a river, Fellas. When the Puritan Squad jumps all over you, Wifey and Kiddies still love you. Book deals, the lecture circuit, and consulting gigs still await. When you join in with the Puritan Squad to sternly lecture America about the sexual shiftlessness of the lower orders, nothing awaits them but getting insulted in the media by hypocrites of all classes and yet another gutting of yet another program that was barely held together with reused tape and old chewing gum in the first place.

102. ms_xeno - 9 August 2008

#91– Anyone seen those mock Obama ads regarding how “It’s great to have a candidate you can masturbate to,” etc ? There were some about Edwards, too.

Well, if you want a hhhhhhhhhhot candidate, I guess you’d better be ready to deal with the consequences, O Holy and Sacred Youth Vote. People who were loved and fussed over for their looks when young will continue to crave that kind of superficial adoration as they grow older. They’ll continue to think that they’re entitled to things that their physical inferiors are not entitled to. Wheeeee…

103. marisacat - 9 August 2008

One of the least well handled bimbo eruptions.. that is my take anyway.

104. Intermittent Bystander - 9 August 2008

You go, mistress xeno!

Whip it good!

105. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Well my clue that Ob likely strays was long ago. Michelle spent months (right out of the box, LOL) denigrating him, til she moved to her Plan B Stump Speech: Great Brilliant Guy Obama, Be Thankful We are Running (then she usually proceeded to some highly questionable lecturing, she is now, since he became The Presumptive, very scripted)..

106. Intermittent Bystander - 9 August 2008

Also from (yesterday’s) CNN’s Ticker, in case you hadn’t seen it:

(CNN) — Fred Baron, the finance chairman for the John Edwards presidential campaign, said in a Friday statement that he paid to help the woman Edwards had an extramarital affair with, and the former aide who was the alleged father of her child, move out of the former North Carolina senator’s home state.

“I decided independently to help two friends and former colleagues rebuild their lives when harassment by supermarket tabloids made it impossible for them to move forward on their own,” he said of his efforts to aid Rielle Hunter and Andrew Young.

107. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Rielle is in a 3 million dollar mansion and AYoung is in a 4 million dollar mansion.

Supposedly Baron moved them West to “escape the tabloids”.


108. ms_xeno - 9 August 2008

#104- Thank You, Thank You, IB. I did it all for the pictures of nude (or tastefully de-draped) lady parade floats. Nude (or tastefully de-draped) gentleman parade floats always welcome, too, of course.

As long as they’re not likenesses of candidates or elected officials. I’ve never been able to shuck off my old-fashioned belief that even lousy politicians are sort of like honorary relatives and that it’s just too much detail too close to home if I have to hear or read about their sex lives. (Let the movie stars get naked. It’s what we hired them for in the first place.)

If you believe NPR, I was pretty much the only literate human in N. America in the late 1990s who never looked at so much of a page of the Clinton transcripts. As one of Allison Bechdel’s characters memorably remarked at the time, “Watching someone be humiliated [even when you loathe them] is really humiliating.”

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

88 – he’s kidding, right?

I don’t remember reading any outrage about the long string of Obama swings to the right over the last few months from MB.

Some screwy priorities.

People fuck around on each other. Powerful, rich people fuck around more, because they can. That’s life, deal with it.

110. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

98 – beach vollyball is such a beautiful sport.


111. ms_xeno - 9 August 2008

hrh might be on to something upthread. I generally don’t think of political wives as being potentially smarter than their spouses. However, maybe we haven’t heard about Clinton II’s or Mrs. Edwards’ multiple love affairs only because they were smart enough to keep their dalliances short-lived;With a helpful side of quick-drying cement for either their ex-lovers or any reporter that got too nosy.

Wouldn’t that be a kick to the head…

112. Intermittent Bystander - 9 August 2008

111 – Well, you know how picky women can be about shoes. . . .

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

Comic-Book Idols Rally to Aid a Holocaust Artist

As all-star comic-book team-ups go, this one beats the first meeting of Superman and Spider-Man. Three of the elder statesmen of comic books — Neal Adams, Joe Kubert and Stan Lee — have joined forces to combat what they see as a real-world injustice.

The men are lending their talents to tell the tale of Dina Gottliebova Babbitt, who survived two years at the Auschwitz concentration camp by painting watercolor portraits for the infamous Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele. Some of the artwork also survived, but it is in the possession of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum in Poland. Now 85 and living in California, Mrs. Babbitt wants the artwork back, but the museum has steadfastly refused to return it.

“I’m at a total loss,” Mrs. Babbitt wrote in an e-mail message. “I feel just as helpless as I did when I was at camp. Totally disempowered.”

Now Mrs. Babbitt’s story has been captured in a six-page comic-book story illustrated by Mr. Adams, who helped take Batman back to his dark roots after the ’60s television show made him seem campy; inked partly by Mr. Kubert, whose comics career stretches back to the 1940s and who has drawn everyone from Hawkman to Sergeant Rock; and featuring an introduction by Mr. Lee, a co-creator of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and many other Marvel heroes.

The text was written by Rafael Medoff, director of the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, which has championed Mrs. Babbitt’s cause. Mr. Medoff and Mr. Adams have offered the story to DC Comics and Marvel Entertainment in the hopes of getting it published, but no deal is yet in place.

The men first joined forces in 2006, when 450 cartoonists, artists and comic-book creators signed a petition asking the museum to return the art. “Rafael was in my studio and talking about this project, and the signatures, and what could be done,” said Mr. Adams, 67.

114. ms_xeno - 9 August 2008

#112- It’s true, IB. I don’t wear anything but men’s Red Wing Boots [tm].*

*Unpaid endorsement.

115. marisacat - 9 August 2008

I don’t care that they – or anyone – strays. Who really cares? No one, imo. But getting caught is a story.

And any time they want to stop lecturing us, dragging Jesus and their ministers and their ”values” and their ”morals” around, fine with me. If they stop lecturing, I’ll stop wondering at hypocrisy here and there, in fact everyhehre, like the outbreak of a disease.. All sorts of it.

116. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

Supposedly Baron moved them West to “escape the tabloids”.

Right. I know I’d move to LA to escape the tabloids…

What was it MB had said about polishing mudwallows? Their wrists must be damn sore over there at dkos considering the shiny objects they created rubbing the heads of Edwards and Obama (sexual innuendo intended) while fooling themselves into thinking they were some kind of political genies who would save the human race.

117. marisacat - 9 August 2008

nu thred.


…………….. 8) …………………

118. marisacat - 9 August 2008

LOL They polish the Democratic knob over at Dkos. Maybe Rielle gives lessons.

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