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Old Wives Tale… 9 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


a live birth greatly complicates an affaire.

Sorry to be shallow (have you heard? politics is the gutter), but for early Saturday am it sure beats 1500 dead under tanks on the move and aerial bombardment.



1. marisacat - 9 August 2008

I need coffee… too much news. August is always a bit overflowing in a presidential election year. So subterranean.

2. marisacat - 9 August 2008

I am nto into racking up the gold medals for any one country… but was amused at the first US Gold.

Mariel Zagunis won the first U.S. gold medal of the Beijing Olympics, leading an American sweep Saturday in women’s saber fencing.

3. marisacat - 9 August 2008

have to laugh. That nagging 1% that is not getting told. Via Mike Allen Politico email:

N.Y. Post ‘Page Six’ takes a victory lap: ‘WE hate to say we told you so, and we normally never reveal the identities in our blind items, but in light of John Edwards’ finally admitting he had an extramarital affair, we bring your attention to our ‘Just asking’ item of Aug. 27, 2007:

‘WHICH political candidate enjoys visiting New York because he has a girlfriend who lives downtown? The pol tells her he’ll marry her when his current wife is out of the picture.’

Top Democrats have been assiduously following the Edwards scandal and don’t believe his denial, which was issued last year, before he was caught visiting Rielle Hunter in a Beverly Hills hotel. ‘Even his friends believe the Enquirer stories,’ said one source. But Edwards is said to be blind to the damage his reputation has suffered and to still be angling for a big White House job if Barack Obama is elected. ‘He is such an egomaniac, he thinks he can be attorney general,’ scoffed one source.’

4. aemd - 9 August 2008

From last thread…

# 91 “it’s their own private business and there’s no good reason that the rest of us have to hear about it.”

No, I disagree. Edwards and many like him, on both sides of the aisle, pound the pulpit and shake their fingers at us, hoi polloi, for steppin’ in that big ole “moral hazard” cow pie. When they get caught with their pants around their ankles, their hands in the till, their entire family on the government payroll, they demand or whine that we overlook their “minor” lapses. Nope don’t think so.

These people are not some group of powerless, vapid celebrities. They make and enforce the laws in this country. If you don’t git the fuck off their lawn, you are gonna pay. Fines or jail time.

Having dealt will the Ivy Elite, both so called conservative and liberal, I’m sick of their attitude that they make the laws and they don’t have to live by them. They are so above it, those in the political industry and it is an industry. Schools, training, apprenticeships, a big ole money makin’ indu$try.

I got the iced pounders and popcorn at hand, on with the show. WooHoo!

5. marisacat - 9 August 2008

I have laughed so much the past 24 hours it is not funny. And I cheerfully admit that returning a few days ago to Mickey Kaus at Slate to catch up, told me this was one big pimple about to burst big.

And still leaking badly. Can these people handle NOTHING?

6. bayprairie - 9 August 2008

Bob Casey jr reportedly will speak at the convention.

like dubya, getting even for daddy.

but damn. i’m seriously pissed.

how can i wash my hands completely of that party long after i already did?

7. marisacat - 9 August 2008

I’d like to kick the party down the stairs, in some terminal fashion (break its lousy neck), but have not found a way. Can I leave it again, somehow?

8. marisacat - 9 August 2008

oh and bay, I am thinking Kaine is moving up the list, as well. Catholic, supposedly straight arrow, LOL. And another, like Edwards, NO FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Won’t overshadow Ob.

We are so blessed!

9. NYCO - 9 August 2008

Some belated thoughts on the Beijing ceremony: There seemed to be a weird disconnect between the opening portion, with all its breathtaking precision and aesthetic attractiveness, and the parade of athletes, which featured (apparently) thousands of cheerleaders in faux white cowboy boots desperately trying to look fresh and energetic for over two hours. Everyone I know who watched it, commented on “those poor girls” the next day.

It felt like two different opening ceremonies – one state of the art, and the other sort of, er, Chinese cheap.

Also, the stadium is so huge that even with 11,000 athletes massed in the center, it looked like there was room for 5,000 more, which made the massed athletes look less impressive.

Sad about the tourist death and injuries. Alas there are unbalanced wackos in every nation.

10. marisacat - 9 August 2008

one state of the art, and the other sort of, er, Chinese cheap.

Very apt. It ws impossible to miss the white, laced, high heeled, Go Go Boots. Very much a “Chinatown bar” touch.

11. aemd - 9 August 2008

Hey Ms Cat, if this is inappropriate please delete.

A board I’ve been reading for years has an interesting post. It’s from a woman that got herself attacked by a bear, no not someone from minyanville, a real black bear. She’s a tough bird, independent, private and proud but due to the cost of medical and dental (shudder, I don’t know what to say about this as I curl into fetal position) has put herself out there asking for money. She’s answering questions in the comments and if ya got some extra change…

It’s a fascinating read. The media, cali fires, guns….Search on “ahansen”.

She tried to get the MSM to pony up for some of the expenses but they got ethics ya know, cracks gum….


12. marisacat - 9 August 2008

oh no problem, aemd, fits right in.

Think I may have seen a news segment on her, will go read and see if the same one.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

well, I took the two very distinct opening ceremonies to be an indication of what is important to the Chinese: the nation, not the athletes. Fine w/ me … the sooner the world is made multi-polar and the US is knocked off it’s throne the better for the world, and for us.

I was laughing at the CNN anchors this morning, especially the guy (TJ something-or-other). WHINING about the procession not being in “alphabetical order”, which of course means english order. He said something to the effect that he resented that he didn’t know when the Americans were coming through, so he knew when to PAY ATTENTION.

I personally think the neatest thing about it is seeing the sheer variety of humanity all doing something together, not fucking medal counts and nationalism, but I’m a freak.

It’s in China … why the hell SHOULD it be in “alphabetical order”?

14. NYCO - 9 August 2008

I don’t know… watching the opening ceremony just made me think of how corporate America (or Corporate World, since the corporations are no longer “ours”) just has a new pet (China). I feel sorry for the Chinese. Meanwhile, I don’t feel sorry for America — we’re Britain 1950 and it’s time to get used to that.

And the dual nature of the ceremony – the sudden inefficiency and, daresay, tackiness of the ceremony in the second half – just made me think of how China has overextended itself in the past. When I saw the tired-out cheerleaders in go-go boots expected to do way too much, I thought of pig iron in backyard furnaces.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

dumb liberals … do they even listen to themselves?

The first major red flag that this was going to be a propaganda exercise of massive portions was when the government paraded a group of Han Chinese children through the Bird’s Nest dressed in the garb of the nation’s 54 minority groups — as a effort to “celebrate” the diversity of China. How inclusive! Except for the fact that the government either exoticizes these groups for tourist purposes while they remain poor, second-class citizens, or create conscious programs to aggressively assimilate these groups out of existence, particularly in politically hostile regions like Tibet and Xinjiang. An equivalent in America would be if the government got a group of white kids from Manhattan together and dressed them up as members of Native American tribes and paraded them around as example of how respectful we are towards the “native peoples.”

She’s kidding, right? Such pagaents happen in this country ALL THE TIME. She’s never watched a Thanksgiving parade? Never seen Chief Illiniwek before the U of I finally retired him? Hell, while we’re at it, how about the watered-down version of MLK that is all over the glass teat every February, scrubbed clean of any of the righteous anger over poverty and needless war.

Really, REALLY sick of the rapidly pointed American finger, quivering in outrage while blind to our own ongoing crimes.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

Candidates for Sale

That’s especially true given the magnitude of what we’re dealing with here: the biggest pile of political contributions in the history of free elections, nearly a billion dollars given to presidential candidates in this season alone. Because the FEC has been dead in the water for so long, it’s likely that we’ll still be in the dark about a large chunk of this record manure pile of campaign contributions when we go to vote in November.

But that doesn’t mean that a little sifting through campaign records doesn’t tell us quite a lot about who’s backing whom in these races. The truth is that the campaigns of both Barack Obama and John McCain are being inundated with cash from more or less exactly the same gorgons of the corporate scene. From Wall Street to the Big Oil powerhouses to the military-industrial complex, America’s fat-cat business leaders know that the Animal House-style party of the last eight years that made almost all of them rich with bonuses, government contracts and bubble profits is about to come to an end, and someone is going to have to pay to clean up the mess. They want that someone to be you, not them, and they’ve spared no expense to make sure both presidential candidates will be there to bail them out next year.

They’re succeeding. Both would-be presidents have already sold us out. They’ve taken the money and run — completing the cyclical transformation of the American political narrative from one of monopolistic Republican iniquity to an even more depressing tale about the overweening power of corporate money and the essentially fictitious nature of our two-party system.

In layman’s terms, we’ve gone from being screwed to being fucked. Who knows — maybe Barack Obama will surprise us if he wins the election. But if you look at the money, it doesn’t look good.

Thanks in part to the dormant FEC, corporate America has had even easier access to the candidates than usual in its effort to buy off the next government before the crash. In fact, this election has seen some excellent new innovations in the area of campaign-fundraising atrocities. Chief among them is the rise of so-called “joint committees.”

It used to be that campaigns could raise a maximum of $2,300 from each individual. Now, both candidates — but especially McCain, who far outstrips Obama in this area — routinely hold fundraisers in which individuals can give far more to a joint committee. Technically, the candidate still pockets only $2,300 in contributions. The bulk of the money raised — in McCain’s case, a whopping $70,100, or 30 times the previous limit — goes to the state and national arms of the candidate’s party, which can then spend the unprecedented haul on behalf of the candidate. “This allows CEOs to walk in the door and drop $70,100,” says Holman. “It basically allows campaigns to exceed the spending limits.”

McCain has raised more than $63 million via these joint committees, thanks to more than 1,000 “megadonors” who have each given at least $25,000 to his campaign effort. Obama, by contrast, has some 471 megadonors — and a close examination of their backgrounds underscores some of the differences in corporate America’s attitudes toward the two candidates.

One of McCain’s chief sources of corporate money is the private-equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, memorialized for its takeover of RJR Nabisco in the movie Barbarians at the Gate. Through the pretext of joint committees, 10 KKR executives have given McCain $285,000, and it’s not hard to figure out why. Two of McCain’s key campaign proposals — lowering the corporate tax rate to 25 percent and making purchases of industrial equipment fully deductible — would save a single KKR subsidiary, Energy Future Holdings, $49 million.

“Just in his tax policies alone, McCain is saving corporate America $175 billion a year,” says James Kvaal, who analyzed McCain’s tax policy for the nonprofit Center for American Progress.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

more Taibbi (I think the link is in moderation):

Other companies are getting in on the ground floor with the new chief by stuffing money in his ears. Overall, Obama is flat-out kicking McCain’s ass when it comes to Wall Street contributions, raking in nearly $9 million from securities and investment executives, compared to $6.2 million for McCain. Obama has received more contributions from Goldman Sachs than from any other employer — more than $627,000 at this writing — not to mention $398,021 from JP Morgan Chase, $353,922 from Lehman Brothers and $291,388 from Morgan Stanley. Even among hedge-fund executives, who have an unequivocal interest in electing McCain, Obama is whipping the Republican, collecting $500,000 more than McCain. All of which begs the question: Why would corporate giants like these throw so much weight behind a man who promises to strip them of billions in tax breaks?

Sadly, the answer to that question increasingly appears to be that Obama is, well, full of shit. He has made no bones about his plans to raise income by soaking the rich, promising to roll back the Bush tax cuts for people making over $250,000, increase the top tax rate on capital gains to 25 percent and raise the top rate on qualified dividends. He has also pledged to deliver a real stomach punch to hedge-fund managers, raising the tax rate on most of their income from 15 percent to 35 percent.

These populist pledges sound good, but many business moguls appear to be betting that the tax policies, like Obama himself, are only that: something that sounds good. “I think we don’t want to make too much of his promises on taxes,” says Robert Pollin, professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts. “Not all of these things will happen.” Noting the overwhelming amount of Wall Street money pouring into Obama’s campaign, even elitist fuckwad David Brooks was recently moved to write, “Once the Republicans are vanquished, I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that capital-gains tax hike.”

Those worried that Obama might be all talk when it comes to needed reform had a real scare in July, when the senator failed to show up to vote for the Stop Excessive Speculation Act, a bill designed to curb rampant oil speculation. Oil speculators provide the perfect microcosm of what happened to the economy under Bush. Back in 2001, investment banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan got together and created an online exchange called the ICE for trading energy commodities. The ICE ended up buying the British-regulated International Petroleum Exchange; it then opened trading windows in the U.S., allowing Wall Street investment banks to make oil-futures trades on American soil, on their very own commodities exchange, without any federal regulation whatsoever.

“In financial terms, they were playing blackjack at tables where they themselves were the dealers, in casinos they themselves owned,” says Warren Gunnels, a senior policy adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders. “It was crazy.” Trading on the ICE had a massive impact on U.S. gasoline prices, and more than one legislator wondered if energy speculators were manipulating the market, as energy traders like Enron had been before. The speculation bill was designed to regulate the ICE and place limits on trades. But on the day before Obama returned from his eight-day, eight-country, megadazzling international photo op, Democrats failed by a vote of 50-43 to force a vote on the bill, as heavy lobbying by investment banks like Goldman Sachs torpedoed the effort.

Not only did Obama not show up to vote, he appeared at a public forum three days later flanked by Jon Corzine and Robert Rubin, two former Goldman executives, to discuss how to revive the economy. Here you have the basic formula of campaign contributions in a nutshell: Powerful investment bank gives big money to candidate, needed reform requires candidate to cross said investment bank, candidate pussies out and finds way to be gone at the moment of truth, candidate resurfaces later in arms of aforementioned investment bankers.

Obama’s absence on oil speculation was eerily reminiscent of his previous decision to change his mind about giving retroactive immunity to telecom companies for spying on Americans. Obama withdrew his pledge to filibuster the immunity bill right around the time the Democrats announced that AT&T would be sponsoring the Democratic convention. So no filibuster on retroactive immunity from the top Democrat — but conventiongoers in Denver will get tote bags emblazoned with the AT&T logo. So that’s something.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

Ken Doll in Lust

All this is weirdly reminiscent of the saga of Grover Cleveland, my favorite American president when it comes to sex scandals. He had barely been nominated in 1884 when a small, scurrilous newspaper from his hometown of Buffalo accused him of being the father of a love child born to Maria Halpin, a store clerk. She later took to drink, and Cleveland, a bachelor, arranged to have the baby adopted by friends.

“Moral Monster,” said my favorite headline, in The Cincinnati Penny Post. “Grover Cleveland’s True Character Laid Bare. A Boon Companion to Buffalo Harlots. A Drunken, Fighting, Roistering Roué.” The scandal almost cost him the election, and the baby inspired a famous political slogan: Ma, Ma, where’s my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha, ha, ha.

It probably wasn’t Cleveland’s child. The birth certificate lists the baby’s name as Oscar Folsom Cleveland, and Oscar Folsom was Cleveland’s married law partner, who had been killed in an accident before the birth. But Cleveland stolidly refused to defend himself and Folsom’s name was never really connected to the scandal. Then, once he was safely in the White House, the new president married Folsom’s beautiful 21-year-old daughter, Frances.

This is as good as it gets for sex scandal survivors. The marriage was happy and Cleveland wound up serving two terms. The American public has always had an extremely pragmatic attitude toward their elected officials and will overlook almost anything if they believe the sinning pol can deliver on the job.

If Edwards’s political career is toast, it will be because he has always seemed to be less than a sum of his parts: the position papers, the “Two Americas,” the photogenic grin, the supersmart wife. The only piece of the package that consistently disappointed was the man himself. He wasn’t a very good running mate for John Kerry, and as a presidential candidate, he always struck me as being about 2 inches deep.

19. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Sorry madman, three of yours out of Moderation…

…………. 8) ……..

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

no prob … sorry for the huge blockquotes.

21. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Sadly, the answer to that question increasingly appears to be that Obama is, well, full of shit.

Gee thanks for being so blunt, finally… LOL. I iam surprrised Taibbi got away with that in RS. Cuz Jann Wenner is pre orgasmic, with a heavy tan.


22. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

If Taibbi keeps this up, I expect Wenner to go off on him the way he eventually went off on Hunter back when HST started calling bullshit a little too clearly on the politicians.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

not to say that Taibbi holds a dim candle to HST.

24. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Wenner tries to say he does. LOL Pretty funny.

It was painful in a way to watch Wenner and a couple of others at a Rose roundtable, slobber over Hunter… when Charlie had him on last, for his book Kingdom of Fear it was when CR was still First in Civilian Promotional Defense of the War and he rustled papers and spoke over Hunter.


25. marisacat - 9 August 2008


There never was anything there. He only won the NC primary, period, and in 04 was not even able to deliver his home district. his first DP convention, ever, was ’00. He barely voted and hardly bothered with primaries prior to election in 98.

The party needed to promote a weak, highly controllable Southern White Male, so they had one at the ready if needed.

Talk of him being AG under some poofy Ob administration was more of the same.

Awful people, fakes and whatever else.

I am pretty sure there are lines in EE last book that are highly embarrassing now, as they crafted themselves again as wealthy version of Queen for a Day types. Death of Wade, The Great Moral Compass of Terminal Illness, Oprah Land.

…on and on it goes. This is the downside, too bad. I am pretty sure even as short as Sam Stein’s piece in HuffWuffpo is, there is plenty of stuff in there EE did not know.

They need to get off the national stage. Don’t ask them to sweep up after a bang up party, they aren’t good at it.

26. marisacat - 9 August 2008

It’s moved to fully hilarious.

27. bayprairie - 9 August 2008

a live birth greatly complicates an affaire.

put a blonde in a room with a married donk politician

and no resistance is fertile.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

26 – awwwww, po’ baby

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

for no good reason, other than it’s great:

K.D. Lang sings Leonard Cohen’s Hallelujah

30. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Oh poor weak Democrats. From Tapper:

New Draft Democratic Platform Omits Mention of Gays and Lesbians

August 09, 2008 9:52 PM

The 2004 Democratic Party platform, page 42:

“We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We repudiate President Bush’s divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a ‘Federal Marriage Amendment.’ Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.”

The 2008 draft Democratic Party platform, page 50:

“We support the full inclusion of all families in the life of our nation, and support equal responsibility, benefits, and protections. We will enact a comprehensive bipartisan employment non-discrimination act. We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.”

Notice the editor’s red pen? “Gay and lesbian families” has now been replace by “all families.” ::snippy::

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

they are pathetic. I’m sure the language surrounding abortion freedom is going to be worse.

32. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 August 2008

Answer to ms x. who posted that she never read anything about the Clinton extravaganza – I didn’t either. I didn’t follow the scandal at all. But yes, it does make one feel like the only person on earth who hasn’t seen Star Wars.

Re: the Olympics: I couldn’t give a rat’s ass. I haven’t watched it in years. The Olympics is even more of a worthless sham than the current political system. I’m a big sports fan but I went off it when they stopped showing it in real-time and started jamming the coverage full of advertising and “human interest” stories about athletes with cancer, relatives who had cancer, blah blah blah. Ridiculous.

33. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 August 2008

27, bay: no resistance is fertile.

Nice one!!

34. marisacat - 9 August 2008

LOL I rely on the rigthies in their white tighties to save me from slobbering Liberal Sugar.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

well lookie hear, more details about the platform draft:

The Democratic Party’s 186-member platform committee just endorsed a draft of the party’s 2008 policy outline at a public meeting today in Pittsburgh, granting several concessions to supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. The document will next go before delegates at the party’s convention in Denver for ratification.

The language relating to health care coverage was seen as the biggest coup for the Clinton camp. The issue represented one of her most substantial policy disagreements with Senator Barack Obama. Mrs. Clinton favors mandating universal health care coverage, while Mr. Obama has said that health care should be made affordable enough for everyone to purchase it, but he would not force people to hold it. The platform draft reads:

All Americans should have coverage they can afford; employers should have incentives to provide coverage to their workers; insurers and providers should ensure high quality affordable care; and the government should ensure that health insurance is affordable and provides meaningful coverage. As affordable coverage is made available, individuals should purchase health insurance and take steps to lead healthy lives.

While the expressions of imperative are seen as drawing the platform closer to Mrs. Clinton’s position, some activists had hoped for stronger language that would more strongly emphasize the role of government in providing health insurance. Yet for all of the more than 50 pages this document is written on, a party’s platform is on no way binding on the candidate, and usually no one pays much attention to it as the balloons float to the ceiling.

36. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 August 2008

#4 Having dealt will the Ivy Elite, both so called conservative and liberal, I’m sick of their attitude that they make the laws and they don’t have to live by them.

What law are you talking about here?

37. bayprairie - 9 August 2008



38. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

oh, and on abortion:

On abortion, Democrats reaffirmed their support for Roe v. Wade and vowed to oppose “any and all efforts” to weaken a woman’s right to “choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”

The “Choice” section goes on to affirm the party’s commitment to a handful of measures that hold the potential for reducing the incidence of abortion.

These include family planning services, sex education, adoption programs, as well as income support and pre- and post-natal health care.

Its reference to reducing “the need for abortions” now reads as follows: “We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.”

Slate’s Will Saletan, the author of “Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War,” told ABC News that the Democrats struggled to craft abortion reduction language because a “gulf” exists between “pro-choice and pro-life people over the semantics of how that is said.”

“Here’s the problem,” Saletan said. “Obama and the Democrats are trying to craft a message that will be visible to the pro-life people in terms of saying that abortion will be reduced but that will be invisible to the pro-choice people.”

The Rev. Jim Wallis, author of “God’s Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn’t Get It,” told ABC News in June that “abortion reduction should be a central Democratic Party plank in this election.”

Wallis, who worked with the platform committee on its language, reacted to the adoption of the platform by praising the “parallelism of choice” contained in it.

“There is a ‘parallelism of choice’ here in the Democratic Platform that is a good, helpful, and new direction that will make many people feel more welcome,” Wallis said. “The Democratic Party is now on record in ‘strongly’ supporting both a woman’s right to choose to terminate her pregnancy or to decide to have her child with promised support, with the potential common ground of agreeing together for the need to reduce abortions.”

39. bayprairie - 9 August 2008

oh and bay, I am thinking Kaine is moving up the list, as well.

from what little ive read seems their strategy is to keep kerry states and win one additional one, southern, ohio, colorado, thus going over the top. based on recent electoral history virginia’s a safe percentage bet.

i bet obama really wants webb. but he’s too much of an out neo-confederate.

kaine is a huge zero outside of virginia but would be the perfect democratic choice. his “edgy” position was being out and loud against the death penalty.

and once in office did nothing to stop executions.

the purrrrfect democratic.

40. marisacat - 9 August 2008

kaine is a huge zero outside of virginia but would be the perfect democratic choice. his “edgy” position was being out and loud against the death penalty.

and once in office did nothing to stop executions.

yeah kaine is a dud on arrival. So, as you say, purrfect Democrat. I also read that VA ws very quick to start up executions, the second the SC ruled on lethal injection. No tarrying.

Kaine might sell well in some suburbs in some states, I could see that. Sort of a latter day Quayle.

41. marisacat - 9 August 2008

hmmm 10,000 troops to Georgia. Not under Sherman either.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

Sort of a latter day Quayle.

Well, since he’s a Catholic boy, and likely “enjoyed” the tutulege of some nuns, he’s hopefully a better speller than Quayle.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2008

Bush: No one should fear religious freedom

the man is utterly shameless.

44. diane - 9 August 2008

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Catnip (last thread)

Really sorry to hear you need to move once again, I hope the next time, it’s everything you would want in a home, neighbors, and community.

45. diane - 9 August 2008

but, but but…there is no more racism….a ‘black’ man will be president and, and, and….

…..While Gavin Newsom vacations in Africa, our families are being evicted, going hungry and are unemployed,” said Alicia Schwartz, an organizer at POWER, People Organized to Win Employment Rights. “We need a real response. Developer-driven policy in San Francisco is killing my people.”…

I’m sorry I pick on Cali so much Marisa, but it’s such a fucking powerful state, it’s political ‘leaders’ so prone to end up affecting the world at large…

46. marisacat - 9 August 2008

oh no problem diane. California is land’s end…. we stick out. By a mile.

Oh yes Gavin and the new missus, off to Africa. hmm mmm, After the Google Nuptials, on land conservancy in MT that her Sillicon Valley monster wealth family…etc etc etc.

let’s jsut say Gavin needs a wife. I think they are well matched. Vacuous, both of them, and opportunists. LOL Match made somewhere S of heaven..

What a hoot!!

47. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

Mariel Zagunis won the first U.S. gold medal of the Beijing Olympics, leading an American sweep Saturday in women’s saber fencing.

And Bush got a gold in saber-rattling while Cheney looks like he’s got Sunday’s lightsaber competition sewn up. Go team.

48. diane - 9 August 2008

Have you ever read the book “Oh the Glory of it All” by Sean (I think?) Wilsey? Quite the read on the S.F. social set, and a sort of “Daddy, Stepwitch Dearest” book. There were a lot of parts he probably should have kept unwritten, but it was probably a fair assessment of the kind of assholes ya find running society in any major city.

49. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

44. Catnip (last thread)

Really sorry to hear you need to move once again, I hope the next time, it’s everything you would want in a home, neighbors, and community.

Thanks. In the meantime, I was out in the hood on my bike getting (something like) heatstroke on Saturday. Yay me. Or maybe the massive headache and the nausea was about Edwards.

Yeah. As if.

50. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

35. And the number one problem with the Dems’ platform is:

All Americans should have coverage they can afford;

No evil socialism for you!

51. diane - 9 August 2008


That brought a needed, if bleak, laugh…some cheescake for you!

52. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

Maybe it’s because I’m not feeling well but it seems to me the CBC’s (CDN Broadcasting Corp. – not the Congressional Black Caucus) Olympic coverage this time is very well-suited for people with ADD – all the switching around from one event to the other, cutting things off before you get the score, endlessly annoying commercials, stats flying at you from every orifice. I’m so confused… I might have to check out some yank stations.

53. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008


54. diane - 9 August 2008

oooh, I hope you feel much better! That reminds me of an incident I had right after a move, and right before the 2004 “election” where in helping some folks do some pruning, I apparently sat in a flea infested area. By the end of the day, I became ghastly ill with nausea and a pounding headache. I didn’t realize till the next morning, upon taking a shower, that I had been bitten at least a hundred times. Unfortunately I had signed on to calling people to register to vote with a group of people and had to refrain from scratching…

55. marisacat - 9 August 2008

Sean Wilsey… what a hoot… here is a UK?Observer review of the book.

And a snip from the review, on his mother, Pat Montandon (who in a weird way I kind of liked)

The mad wealth and sense of entitlement of Wilsey’s celebrity-studded childhood is compelling enough. His mother, an egotistical beauty who dated Frank Sinatra, later became a peace campaigner and took a 20ft replica of the Statue of Liberty to Moscow and asked permission to erect it in Red Square. She once gave a Dior nightgown to a starving child in an Ethiopian famine camp and was forever handing over the key to her apartment in San Francisco (gold plated, on a Tiffany chain) to eastern European leaders.

LOL, all true.

56. liberalcatnip - 9 August 2008

54. Wow. That sounds horrible.

57. diane - 9 August 2008


Yeah, I liked his mom, I kinda thought underneath it all she was a lot nicer than most of the other vipers in the book, especially that stepbitch, Dede; but then I related because, though not from a moneyed family, I had a stepbitch too.

58. diane - 9 August 2008


It was at the time, especially since the move and my life after that were a series of events from hell…now its bleakly humerous…those fucking fleas beelined straight under my underwear…..a fouler insect never existed….

59. marisacat - 9 August 2008


Yeah Pat M was a hoot.

60. diane - 9 August 2008


Too funny, since the neighborhood predominately hated Bush/Cheney…I envisioned those sick fuckers having flea eggs dropped from planes in selected neighborhoods, since at least certain types of flea eggs can apparently can wait for nearby ‘food’ before hatching…

61. diane - 9 August 2008

goodnight ladies…

62. marisacat - 10 August 2008

nuuu thread…


………….. 8) ……………..

63. ms_xeno - 10 August 2008

catnip, #50– The fact that my household is able to maintain its coverage does not in any way alter the fact that our coverage is essentially worthless unless one or both of us suffer a catastrophic illness or accident. The monthly charge is so high that it rarely if ever leaves me any money to actually see a physician. I’d be better off letting it lapse were there not that ever-pressing fear of catastrophe. And even then, the insurer has the right to pull the plug at will, of course… once they get tired of doing their damn job.

The front-runners are, as ever, smart enough to know that “affordable” is completely meaningless in the context they use. But they think I’m too stupid to know. Just one more reason to find them completely loathesome, and to not waste one vote or one dime on them.

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