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In Praise of Pagans 16 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

Matisse - Danse - 1910

Danse – Henri Matisse – 1910

After a couple of hours of the wannabe pretzeldents proving they will swallow a three foot long crucifix and smile smile smile — and Pastor Warren and that “audience”… fuck ’em.




1. marisacat - 16 August 2008

hmm Cindy Sheehan is on KGO for the next hour…


they stream, link in hte upper left

2. liberalcatnip - 16 August 2008
3. liberalcatnip - 16 August 2008
4. diane - 17 August 2008

How was the interview with Cindy?


Gorgeous leopard pic catnip!

5. marisacat - 17 August 2008


No unfortunately it was pretty dull… surprised me a little…

6. marisacat - 17 August 2008

Obama camp tells W Clark to stand down. LOL

7. marisacat - 17 August 2008

Various Networks

Meet the Press: Govs. Bobby Jindal, Tim Kaine

Face the Nation: Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Sen. Evan Bayh

Fox News Sunday: Former Gov. Tom Ridge, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino

Late Edition: Gov. Bill Richardson, Sen. Richard Lugar

This Week: Secretary Gates, Romney Daschle

8. marisacat - 17 August 2008

via Ambinder. What a joke it all is. Gore saddles us with Liebchen and Bama may REALLY saddle us with Biden.

John McCain sent his buddies. Misha S. requested Joe Biden. Biden has more juice than John McCain right now.

So if Obama chooses Biden, the Republicans will say….Ha ha, loudmouth, loose cannon Biden. He’s Obama’s foreign policy arm-candy. To which Biden will respond, “Bring it. I was in Georgia last week.”

9. wilfred - 17 August 2008

It’s funny, Bayh of all people is pummeling Pawlenty on Face the Nation. I didn’t think Bayh was more than a haircut. Nice to see some fire from him and he’s rattling off facts like a machine gun. Poor Pawlenty is one weak little partisan puppy.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

It’s always funny/sad to watch the donks shoot themselves in the foot, then to watch them put the pistol in the other hand and shoot the OTHER foot.

I’m surprised about the Clark thing, but Biden could be really funny.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

So, I’m poking around for some of the visit to the Pharisee last night that I couldn’t bear to watch, and find this:

The audience of several hundred inside the auditorium offered polite and occasionally enthusiastic applause throughout the forum. Yet Obama had trouble with the crowd when Warren asked, “At what point does a baby get human rights?”

“Whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade,” Obama said in a response that elicited a low murmur from the audience.

He taught constitutional law, they like to tell us. Easy answer Senator: when it’s a legal person, and it becomes a legal person under current law WHEN IT CAN SURVIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB ON ITS OWN. It’s not a scientific question, or a question for which you need to consult chicken viscera or the murmerings of child buggerers, it’s a LEGAL question.

Pandering fucker.

12. baypraire - 17 August 2008

Obama camp tells W Clark to stand down. LOL

party unity my ass!

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

LOL … so who do you have on the panel on This Week the morning after the candidates sucked evangelical cock? Michael Gerson, or course! Why not put Peggy Noonen on there as well?

I think a Politico link is in moderation.

14. marisacat - 17 August 2008

oh he totally ducked the “when does life begin” bullshit.


He goes into the debates a nervous wreck imo.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

It’s a stupid question, the “life” thing. My hair is “alive”, my nails etc. They continue to “live” after I have died, for some short time. The dictionary definition: an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction works just fine, and DOESN’T help us when we decide when a potential human offspring becomes a separate human PERSON. It’s a purely legal question, and I don’t care if that makes people feel icky. For him and the other democrats to keep answering that question in that way helps cement the wingnut fundie framing of the issue.

He’s another fucking coward more eager to drop to his knees before superstitious, easily manipulated children than to actually honestly lead.

Not that anybody should be surprised by that.

16. marisacat - 17 August 2008

well pregnancies better be insurance underwritten from the time of the drugstore bought test kit.

17. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

Looks like the Sunday talking heads are all hoping they’ve chosen the possible VP to interview so they can gloat later when the choices have been made.

15. My hair is “alive”, my nails etc. They continue to “live” after I have died, for some short time.

I demand a constitutional amendment to protect their rights.

18. marisacat - 17 August 2008



19. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008
20. rif - 17 August 2008

Michael Moore in Rolling Stone

How The Democrats Can Blow It …In Six Easy Steps

For years now, nearly every poll has shown that the American people are right in sync with the platform of the Democratic Party. They are pro-environment, pro-women’s rights and pro-choice. They don’t like war. They want the minimum wage raised, and they want a single-payer universal health-care system. The American public agrees with the Republican Party on only one major issue: They support the death penalty.

So you would think the Democrats would be cleaning up, election after election. Obviously not. The Democrats appear to be professional losers. They are so pathetic in their ability to win elections, they even lose when they win! So when you hear Democrats and liberals and supporters of Barack Obama say they are worried that John McCain has a good chance of winning, they ain’t a-kidding. Who would know better than the very people who have handed the Republicans one election after another on a silver platter? Yes, be afraid, be very afraid.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008
22. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Greens Not Turning Blue

Farheen Hakeem knew she was doing something right when local Democrats came calling.

In 2006, on the heels of a failed run as a Green Party candidate for mayor of Minneapolis, Hakeem ran for commissioner of Minnesota’s Hennepin County board. Although she lost to long-time Democratic-machine candidate Peter McLaughlin, she earned 33 percent of the vote.

Democrats took notice. Hakeem received e-mails and phone calls from local Democratic Party activists who were impressed with her skills as a grassroots campaigner. And when Minnesota state Rep. Neva Walker announced she would not be seeking re-election this year, local Democrats urged Hakeem to run for the seat as one of them.

Hakeem declined, deciding instead to enter the race as a Green.

“[The Greens] may be disorganized, but at least I’m not held accountable to any corporate party,” she says. “They’re not going to be asking me to do something I’m not interested in doing.”

She says Democrats on the county board bowed to party pressure in 2006 by approving a new sales tax and hundreds of millions of dollars to fund a Major League Baseball stadium — without the referendum required by law.

Hakeem, an activist and community organizer who works with the Girl Scouts of America organizing young Muslim girls, wears the traditional Islamic headscarf — or hijab — and is wary of letting the Democratic Party capitalize on her likeness.

“Currently, our United States government is bombing people [who] look like me,” she says. “I don’t want them using my image … [and then] say, ‘Get out of Iraq!’ but continue to fund it.”

Hakeem is one of hundreds of Greens running for local, state and national offices this year. In July, many of them attended the party’s national convention in Chicago. A common theme among the attendees was the belief that the Democratic Party is falling short on vital issues.

In West Virginia, Jesse Johnson is running for governor as a Green. He calls his Appalachian state “ground-zero for global climate change” because it’s one of the country’s major coal producers. The incumbent, Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin, supports mountaintop removal coal mining, a practice that alters landscapes and decimates natural environments. During his 2004 gubernatorial race, Manchin received $571,214 in campaign contributions from coal industry interests.

What’s more, Manchin is anti-abortion, anti-gun control, anti-marriage equality for same-sex couples, and pro-big business. In 2006, he had the state’s welcome-sign slogan changed from “Welcome to West Virginia” to “Open for Business.” Only after public outcry and a petition drive did Manchin agree to remove the new signs.

Green Party’s Johnson says that West Virginia Democrats have no will to take on the coal industry.

“Any candidate who’s going to bring true progressive values to the political system,” he says, “is going to be stabbed in the back by the Democratic Party.”

23. ms_xeno - 17 August 2008

For catnip and the rest of you art freaks:

Crochet: It’s What’s For Breakfast, Lunch AND Dinner

My favorite is definitely the Donut Necklace.

24. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008
25. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

23. Pretty cool but, as far as wearable food goes, this is still my all-time favourite.

26. aemd - 17 August 2008

#21 Ah, quit your bitchin’.

There’s big money to be made in for profit prisons

Watch your backside, there’s money in puttin’ your a$$ in the pokey.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

27 – how could I forget, it’s not SLAVERY, it’s public safety for profit!

28. marisacat - 17 August 2008

It was never a accidental that Angola Prison in Louisiana was on a former 19,000 acre plantation, and not worked much differently than it was in the 1800s.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Religion, ethics experts comment on forum

“Obama will be ‘hammered by the religious right’ for that ‘pay grade’ answer,” says Rabbi James Rudin of New York City, former Interreligious Affairs director for the American Jewish Committee. Rudin was one of five religion and ethics experts asked by USA TODAY to observe the forum broadcast.

Msgr. Francis Maniscalco, former spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and now public policy director for the diocese of Rockville Centre, N.Y., the nation’s sixth largest Catholic diocese, called the comment a “dodge that wasn’t even intellectually respectable.”

The Rev. Mark Coppenger of Evanston, Ill., a professor of Christian Apologetics at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, and former spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, branded the comment as “specious. Obama has made that very determination in opening the law wide to the killing of the unborn.”

However, R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and ethics at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, pointed out that Obama’s position has been law since the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision. It “specifically says that neither biologists nor doctors nor theologians can agree upon the moral status of the fetus.”

But since there is “absolute certainty that the woman herself does have moral status, then the conservative thing to do is to protect the woman’s interests first,” the court concluded.

McCain’s statement that human rights attach at conception “still does not answer the question of what to do when there is a conflict with the rights of the woman,” Charo says.

She also sees inconsistency between McCain’s conservative views on when life begins and his support of embryonic stem cell research, which many conservative Christians oppose.

“If he believes in human rights at the moment of conception, then he ought to be against embryonic stem cell research, IVF and even the so-called ‘rhythm method.’ ” which has the effect of timing intercourse not only to prevent conception, but also to allow conception at a time when the fertilized egg will drop into a uterus that is not at the right time of month for implantation.”

McCain said Saturday that he hoped other forms of research with stem cells would eventually make the arguments over the morality of embryonic stem cells “academic.”

However, Charo says, he “evaded the question of whether he will or will not continue to support embryonic stem cell research as long as the scientists say it is necessary,” which is the position Obama took.

Of course, Prof. Charo is assuming that there can be a rational discussion of this issue, when the whole point of last night was that being rational is NOT a requirement to be President.

Both candidates impressed Charles Huettner, of Alexandria, Va., who describes himself as an “independent Christian voter.”

He found Obama “to be a humble and thoughtful responder” and cited “McCain’s knowledge and strong stance for what is just and right. He also expressed a sense of humor that I have not seen before.

“Senator Obama spoke to the heart and mind where Senator McCain spoke from the heart and mind.”

Ridiculous twaddle.

30. marisacat - 17 August 2008

And remember he taught Roe v Wade and the surrounding accompanying cases. He knows perfectly well the language, nomenclature and range of responses to thsi bullshit.

There is a whole trail of dumb responses (from Ob) that the Right list agaisnt him in conversation / debate about abortion, and a couple votes (one, the ”live birth” vote that came up with Brody following the Warren Hour of Power) that except the Democrats, imo, are colluding to return abortion to the states, he could jsut have stated honest pro abortion opinions and not been worse off.

Except of course the Dems have a shredded support for abortion, merely to exhort votes. Over and over it is the over used bottom line…

What about the SC??? Then the guilt the party visits on women. Go along with us or suffer.

Well what about it. Not looking too good that SC, and from DP collusion.

31. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

29. Of course, Prof. Charo is assuming that there can be a rational discussion of this issue, when the whole point of last night was that being rational is NOT a requirement to be President.

Ramen. Preach it!

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Dam breaks near Grand Canyon; hundreds evacuate

PHOENIX (AP) — An earthen dam weakened by heavy rains broke near the Grand Canyon early Sunday, flooding a tribal town and forcing officials to pluck hundreds of residents and campers from the gorge by helicopter. No injuries were immediately reported.

The failure of the Redlands Dam caused some flooding in the village of Supai, where about 400 members of the Havasupai tribe live, said Grand Canyon National Park spokeswoman Maureen Oltrogge.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

This is sad:

… he is better known to his NPR audience through his blog and Morning Edition commentaries about his battle with colon cancer. His fight provided inspiration for the community he built up online. On Friday, Leroy Sievers died at the age of 53.

His reports on his treatment (and eventual rejection of further treatment, were always really good.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Britain’s terror laws have left me and my family shattered

The UN’s committee on human rights has just published a report criticising Britain’s anti-terror laws and the resulting curbs on civil liberties. For many commentators the issues raised are mostly a matter of academic abstractions and speculative meanderings. For me, it is anything but. These laws have destroyed my life.

On May 14 I was arrested under section 41 of the Terrorism Act – on suspicion of the “instigation, preparation and commission of acts of terrorism”: an absurdly nebulous formulation that told me nothing about the sin I had apparently committed. Once in custody, almost 48 hours passed before it was confirmed that the entire operation (involving dozens of officers, police cars, vans, and scientific support agents) was triggered by the presence on my University of Nottingham office computer of an equally absurd document called the “al-Qaida Training Manual”, a declassified open-source document that I had never read and had completely forgotten about since it had been sent to me months before.

Rizwaan Sabir, a politics student friend of mine (who was also arrested), had downloaded the file from the US justice department website while conducting research on terrorism for his upcoming PhD. An extended version of the same document (which figures on the politics department’s official reading list) was also available on Amazon. I edit a political magazine; Rizwaan regularly sent me copies of research materials he was using, and this document was one.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Single-Payer, a Dream Denied

“[Democratic Party] activists dropped a tougher platform amendment seeking a government-run, single-payer system…”

“Guaranteed Health Care Key Plank in Democrat’s Platform,” AP, 8/11/08

Stick a fork in ‘em, they’re done as an advocate for the majority. Actually, the Democratic Party, for decades little more than a quirky wing of the Property Party, has been done for a while. Yet some of us — damaged optimists, deluded dreamers, dissenters to mass murder — held out hope for a turn. Against all available evidence we wished and worked in our small and pathetic ways to preserve the Party as a vehicle for completing the New Deal, and bringing the US partially into the civilized world. We failed. It’s official.

The United States is rather infamously alone in the so-called developed world in condemning many of its citizens to death or diminishment because of injury or illness if they can’t purchase care. As in the fable, the System turns to the hapless, down-scale crowd and like Pontius Pilate, washes its hands proclaiming, “I am innocent of this….blood”

When polled, the public has long overwhelmingly expressed support for governmentally guaranteed single-payer health care. Yet even at the height of the New Deal, such a plan was squashed by insiders. Truman brought it up again in his time. Nope.

After decades of tireless organizing, there seemed to be an opening with the election of The Man From Hope in the early 90s. Bill Clinton had ridden to power on a platform of massive public investment and national health care. He promptly put his better half, WalMart mouthpiece Hillary C. in charge. She held closed-door confabs with insurance company executives (think Dick Cheney’s energy policy meetings) and ultimately proposed a two-tier health care regime which built-in the three biggest insurance companies and consigned those of modest means to a “budget” plan. Those with money could buy Cadillac care. Those without would be offered a go-cart. “Choice,” they called it. In today’s lingo, any “reform” that might have cut insurance company profits was “off the table.”

In 1993, one of the single-payer movement’s most prominent leaders, Dr. David Himmelstein (Physicians for a National Health Program) gained some face-time with Ms. Clinton. The Washington Monthly reported, “Himmelstein’s studies, published in the New England Journal of Medicine since 1986, showed that the U.S. could save as much as $67 billion in administrative costs alone by cutting out the 1,500 private insurers and going to a single government insurer in each state — easily enough to pay to cover every uninsured American.”

“Hillary had heard it all before,” the Monthly continued. “How, she asked Himmelstein, do you defeat the multibillion-dollar insurance industry? ‘With presidential leadership and polls showing that 70 percent of Americans favor … a single-payer system,’ Himmelstein recalls telling Mrs. Clinton. “The First Lady replied. ‘Tell me something interesting, David.’”

The Rube Goldberg horror which the Clinton administration brought forward was frankly impossible to easily understand or admire. It proposed mostly to herd the population into private HMOs run by the big insurers. There the sheep might be fleeced, flogged, and flummoxed, with profits (and campaign contributions) uninterrupted.

Even this mincing alteration to the heinous status quo proved too much for the Health Insurance Association of America however. They unleashed “Harry and Louise” on the distracted American public. H&L decried the proposal as “big government” — an odd claim in that the so-called Health Security Act clearly demonstrated just how puny and simpering government had become in the face of concentrated corporate power.

36. marisacat - 17 August 2008

luv how the candidates all prattle “middle class relief”, the BIGGEST relief would be a real single payer system.

But, people go on losing homes and cannot even declare bankruptcy, not really, anymore. Ob voted NO on the bankruptcy law bill (he was yes on the Class Action bill) but he sold the deal out in the amendments he helped kill.

If you liked Medicare Part D (and no one did or does) you’ll like th enext mess they serve us.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

they peddle the illusion of relief, while allowing the ongoing rapine and pillage by the corporations. It’s a tired game, and it just drives me crazy that people don’t see through it.

38. marisacat - 17 August 2008

I loved how commentator after commentator slobbered over the Edwards plan. Becasue he was the [fake] left wedge in the game. “Corporate Crime Reporter” had a piece up at Counterpunch on which professor’s old dusty plan it was that was taken off the shelf and sorta brightened up.

Edwards and EE are so populist that their plan even included WAGE GARNISHMENT (as said in the YouTube debate). Wow, what a gift.

Not that it matters, the plans are all the same, a variation on her higgelypiggely mess of 16 years ago.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008


Dark Chocolate Fudge

Dark! All-encompassing, eternal darkness! Human eyes cannot penetrate the stygian blackness of this unholy confection!

40. marisacat - 17 August 2008

I would buy that chocolate. IIRC Whitman’s is terrible tho.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

IIRC Whitman’s is terrible tho

which makes it all the more appropriate that Lovecraft should have written their copy. The horror!

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008
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44. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

Let me be the first to say, Who the fuck cares?? Whiners.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

43 – it’s never their fucking fault that they are backstabbing pieces of shit without convictions or that they run shitty campaigns featuring empty suits and clueless morons. Nope, it’s always some great conspiracy.


46. marisacat - 17 August 2008

Cone f silence.

sigh. People forget that the sick old dodderer just trucks from TownHall to TownHall, taking questions.

Obama is exalted and does not need other than cheers. I will be surprised if he does really well in the debates. A cloistered sacrifice for Jesus.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008
48. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

46. People forget that the sick old dodderer just trucks from TownHall to TownHall, taking questions.

Exactly. And because CNN goes to great pains (which greatly pains me as well) to show clip after clip of his town hallers/hollers, anyone tuned in would know that he gave all of his stock answers last nite. I see they’re also trying to discredit his “cross in the sand” story at dkos – suggesting he stole it from Solzhenitsyn. Your country’s going to hell and you’re checking out Cliff notes? No need to wonder why Obamalama and McSurge are so tight in the polls – not to mention the 9% approval rating the Dem congress has.

I just laughed when I saw this headline in the NYT: Seeing Tougher Race, Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ Specific

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008
50. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

Are you hungry, MitM? 😉

51. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

Here’s one for you: How to make a Harley cake

I caught the extreme cakes challenge on the teevee yesterday (by accident). Revenge of the Sock Monkey won. Who knew such things went on?

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

Those melons looked so good!

53. marisacat - 17 August 2008

he gave all of his stock answers last nite

All too true. I remember when Blahgger Boyos were so shocked that Liebeman just kept on trucking in CT. They forget what reptilians politicians are.

Obama is in a cone of exceptionalism. It got old long ago.

Yeah I read the NYT nervous nellies piece. I still say the Dems pee’d in their pants when they got a one seat majority in 2006. There is no guarantee that they actually do want the WH. It would undermine the whine. And they’d luv to whine about racism for a couple of years… Right up their alley.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 August 2008

And they’d luv to whine about racism for a couple of years… Right up their alley.

Not to mention the excellent fundraising possibilities when McCain puts up another nutjob Catholic for the court before the 2010 election.

55. marisacat - 17 August 2008

LOL… well they sold TH-K as a post colonial… so why not sell Michelle as home fires burning girl:

For Convention, Obama’s Image Is All-American

Published: August 17, 2008

WASHINGTON — One of the first images prime-time viewers will see of the Democratic National Convention next week is that of Michelle Obama, who will begin the four-day introduction of her husband, and her family, on her terms.

Like everything else at the orchestrated gala, that is by design.

56. marisacat - 17 August 2008

It reeks of impending failure, PR’d as success:

When he delivers his speech on the last night of the convention, Mr. Obama will not be addressing the crowd from a lone lectern at the edge of the field; he will be standing at the 50-yard line, surrounded by a diverse set of people he has met throughout the campaign, whose presence is intended to signal to viewers at home that people like them are O.K. with Mr. Obama. Ten people selected by the campaign from all corners of the country will meet backstage with Mr. Obama and be shown to the television audience, also intended to convey their comfort level with the senator.

57. liberalcatnip - 17 August 2008

56. Token Merkins. How cute.

58. diane - 17 August 2008

Incarceration a major US Industry. I thought this comment was really dead on:

Prison labour for commercial purposes, a self perpetuating employment scheme. Imagine sacking productive hard working members of society who as a result of being unemployed are far more likely to commit a crime to survive and, go back to doing the same job but at at a severe but highly profitable discount for the corporations employing them.
Posted by:Robert

I think the “therapist” who accused Ivin’s of being homicidal, was a product of that system. God knows, I hope we dont read about her taking an overdose over any grief at Ivin’s suicide.

59. marisacat - 17 August 2008

LOL oh you are so right, they are using token americans.

What a scream!

60. marisacat - 17 August 2008

Over the years they have kept the prison contract work business fairly quiet. Only a few articles slip thru.

61. diane - 17 August 2008

I’m betting an enormous portion of homeland security lackees are prisoners let out ‘on good behaviour.’ And then of course the military were just recently bragging about what excellent ‘soldiers’ were resulting from the waiver sytem…………..

Thinking back, the man, I forget his name, who killed Polly Klauss [sic?] was made a counseler after proving himself, more than once, to be an extreme danger to females.

62. diane - 17 August 2008

What I want to know, and it wasn’t mentioned in the Mother Jones article, is about those license plates, aren’t they made by prisoners?

I saw a plate that read Nazi33 on a new Ford Explorer SUV driving in front of me a while back, I thought hate plates were illegal.

63. diane - 17 August 2008

Some Prisoners Declared Innocent, but Not Free

“How can Louisiana continue to imprison a 61-year-old man after a federal judge has ruled that he shouldn’t have been convicted in the first place?”


For clients who do not or cannot “fight for themselves,” an open-ended prison sentence may be inevitable, hinging on the whims of prosecutors and judges…..

Hmmm, does one have a better chance of getting out if they are guilty of something? As it turns out, it would seem some folks really aren’t that fond of truth and integrity, they’d much rather be deling with someone who’s guilty of something.

64. diane - 17 August 2008

I guess this is what’s behind the frantic Cheney/Bush Admin push to switch to International Accounting Standards?

Halliburton’s Hidden Treuhand

Halliburton takes advantage of a European loophole that lets corporations hide beneficiaries and assets.

Little is known of a customary European legal practice that offers corporations and individuals an opportunity to profit from assets while maintaining complete anonymity of the beneficiary’s identity. This practice is referred to as “Hidden Treuhand” in the English language. The practice of Hidden Treuhand submits to legal local customs in Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg and Switzerland, but due to globalization, has moved beyond European borders via corporations and individuals, who put it to personal use.

The practice of Hidden Treuhand is relevant and unregulated. More and more, the relevant practice of Treuhand is used in hiding an asset owner’s identity from the outside world. Assets, whether they are corporate shares or fixed assets, can be owned in secret. The personal income derived from these assets can also be kept secret from tax authorities. An example of how Hidden Treuhand facilitates tax evasion is part of the latest scandal where thousands of Germans evaded tax through the services of the LGT Treuhand Bank in Liechtenstein, using a combination of Treuhand and foundations to hide true owner identity of bank accounts.

I think the SEC may have a public comment solication on the switch, if so, folks ought to swamp it…..

65. wu ming - 17 August 2008

that melon choosing link was great, madman. to that, i’d add that if you’re trying to buy a melon out of melon season, you’re not going to get a decent melon.

i’ve been eating like 1 a day the past couple of weeks, the ones at the farmer’s market are so good. that, peaches, and tomatoes: compensation for august’s heat and dust.

66. marisacat - 18 August 2008

Mushie says he is quitting. To avoid an impeachment battle… IIRC George W just expressed undying support for Mush on Saturday. And of course our war on terror.

Not to worry! I am sure both McC and Ob know just what to do. Send a bi-partisan codel off on its way. Just like Lindsay and Lieberman and Biden to conspire with Mischa. No small d democrats in that bunch, they will get along fine.

It would all be a scream if it weren’t so serious.

67. JJB - 18 August 2008

Great Minds Of The Progressive Blogosphere

This is what Duncan Black has to say about Musharraff’s resignation:

Musharraf Resigns

I haven’t really been following this, so no deep thoughts about it.

-Atrios 08:19

You can actually hear him counting the minutes until he can go off and get drunk with his buddies tonight and pretend it’s activism.

68. marisacat - 18 August 2008

LOL Atrios does not even phone it in. What a hoot!

69. JJB - 18 August 2008

Ooopppsss! Just noticed that Drinking Like A Liberal Fishy is on Tuesday nights. Of course the way Duncan is running his site the last couple of years, it’s tempting to conclude that this is not an event, but a lifestyle for him.

Anway, Ire Egret Thee Air Or, as the MSM likes to say, especially when plastered. 🙂

70. marisacat - 18 August 2008

via the Mike Allen Politico email. Too too too too funny:


So it turns out that Pastor Rick Warren, in an effort to increase the candidates’ comfort level with his pioneering format, gave each of them a heads-up on several of the hardest questions he asked Saturday night during his ‘the Saddleback Civil Forum on the presidency.’

A source close to Warren tells Playbook that the candidates knew in advance they would be asked their own greatest moral failure, America’s greatest moral failure, and the three wisest people in their lives.

The source said Obama also knew he would be asked if he’d be willing to commit to an emergency plan for orphans, like President Bush has for AIDS. GIVE OBAMA CREDIT FOR ANSWERING CANDIDLY: ‘I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea.’


71. JJB - 18 August 2008

“An emergency plan for orphans?”

Are we electing the president of Boys Town?

72. marisacat - 18 August 2008

probably, makes as much sense as whatever appears to be happening.

Either way we get a member of the all but defunct US Senate. Oh joy.

73. JJB - 18 August 2008

Great Minds Of The Progressive Blogosphere, Part II

More evidence that Drinking Like A Liberal Fishy is a lifestyle and not an event:

Wine In A Box

The writer makes the case that American wine producers should move to selling wine in boxes. I’m sold. Aside from many non-legitimate snob issues and semi-legitimate aesthetic issues, the big problem is that much existing boxed wine isn’t just bad wine, but wine coolerish fake wine.

(via Susie).

-Atrios 10:01

Also, I guess the box doesn’t look as damning when carried in a brown paper bag.

6:00 PM Tuesday can’t come fast enough, I guess.

74. marisacat - 18 August 2008

LOL They have been pushing boxed wine this past year, out here. I think that is pushing it, asking a lot of my generation, myself. In a wine producing region there should be good bulk wine (gallon or whatever the larger jug wines are), and it does not all have to have a cork at that price level… but I just cannot amke it to “box wine”.

75. lucid - 18 August 2008

There is nothing wrong environmentally unsound about wine in glass… hell, we should get rid of all the plastics and go back to putting everything in glass – at least it’s 100% recyclable and not a petroleum product. Jesus… And yes I have tasted supposedly ‘good’ wines from boxes, and they still taste like they came from a box. It’s the same thing with soda. Those little coca-colas that come in glass taste so much better than the crap in a plastic bottle [though that also might have something to do with the fact that they use real sugar in the little bottles as opposed to the corn syrup crap.]

76. diane - 18 August 2008


I’ve been wondering where all the recycled glass has been going to, and why plastic has been rapidly replacing glass food containers such as mayo, ketchup, cooking oil (which literally ends up leaking through the bottom of the plastic containing), despite an avowed push to reduce plastic containers. I save all my glass containers.

77. diane - 18 August 2008

Speaking of those pernicious oil by products, wonder if Obama and T. Boone Pickens had any discussions yesterday about the huge straw Pickens inserted in the Ogallala Aquifer, while finagling to create his own water utility (MESA), and therefore the right to invoke eminent domain in a swath 250 miles long.

T. Boone Pickens thinks water is the new oil—and he’s betting $100 million that he’s right

”Pickens owns more water than any other individual in the U.S. and is looking to control even more. He hopes to sell the water he already has, some 65 billion gallons a year, to Dallas, transporting it over 250 miles, 11 counties, and about 650 tracts of private property. The electricity generated by an enormous wind farm he is setting up in the Panhandle would also flow along that corridor.


In Roberts County [TX, northwest of Dallas] there would be real economic benefits from the wind farm. “The wind is meant to sweeten the deal,” says Representative Chisum. “The big money for Pickens is in the water.”


In January, 2007, the Texas Legislature convened in the grand statehouse in Austin. The 80th session turned out to be very productive, and one person who kept busy during that time was J.E. Buster Brown, a former state senator and one of the most powerful lobbyists in town. Among Brown’s clients is Mesa Water. “My job is primarily defensive,” Brown says of his work for Pickens. “I’m watching to make sure there is no legislation passed that creates obstacles to Pickens doing what he wants to do. I’m supposed to make sure nothing bad happens.”

Brown did more than that: He helped win Pickens a key new legal right. It was contained in an amendment to a major piece of water legislation. The amendment, one of more than 100 added after the bill had been reviewed in the House, allowed a water-supply district to transmit alternative energy and transport water in a single corridor, or right-of-way. “We helped move that along,” says Stillwell. “We thought it would be handy and helpful to everyone.”

Pickens still needed the power of eminent domain if he was going to build his pipeline and wind-power lines across private land. And by happy coincidence, the legislators passed a smaller bill that made that all the easier. The new legislation loosened the requirements for creating a water district. Previously, a district’s five elected supervisors needed to be registered voters living within the boundaries of the district. Now, they only had to own land in the district; they could live and vote wherever.


Pickens moved quickly to take advantage of the new rules. Over the summer of 2007, he sold eight acres on the back side of his ranch to five people in his employ: Stillwell, who resides in Houston, two of his executives in Dallas, and the couple who manage his ranch, Alton and Lu Boone. A few days later, Mesa Water filed a petition to create an eight-acre water-supply district with those five as the directors and sole members. On Nov. 6, Roberts County held an election to decide whether to form the new district. Only two people were qualified to take part: Alton and Lu Boone. The vote was unanimous. With that, Pickens won the right to issue tax-free bonds for his pipeline and electrical lines as well as the extraordinary power to claim land across swaths of the state.

78. marisacat - 18 August 2008

T boone has been all about land grab and getting access to federal funding and waivers. IMO.

Ob is so change oriented. Luv it!!

79. marisacat - 18 August 2008

nu thred……….


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