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Feel the magic? the miracle? the supernatural explosion? No? 19 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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Supernatural explsion.

Unfortunately the site, where I found this photo, has no information to offer about it… I think I see at the top of the sign, Brooklyn Tabernacle Deliverance Center…

When I would visit in Texas in the late 70s, one time we were down around Waco and I got it into my head that I wanted to see a Revival Tent. Off we started… I was with a Texas native who would dart down little side roads, and eventually we did land on one. Not too big a tent, not new and showy, either. A rather small child came out from behind the flap in the tent, bearing a shotgun as big as he was.

We reversed all the way back up the ravine. Curiosity satisfied. Enough. But, thanks ever so much for the kind invite… 😉

^^^

No shit Dick [Polman of the Philadelphia Inquirer]

Any Obama fan who believes that the presumptive Democratic nominee is well positioned to woo anti-abortion voters – indeed, any Obama fan who is giddily anticipating an easy November victory – would be well advised to check the transcript, or view the video, of the faith forum hosted on Saturday night by pastor/author Rick Warren.

As I outlined here last Thursday, Barack Obama is trying to give equal time in the party platform to anti-abortion voters, mostly by signaling that he supports expanded alternatives to the procedure, with the aim of reducing over time the total number of abortions. The potential problem, however, is that few voters pay attention to party platforms. What the candidates say on TV – and how they say it – is probably more persuasive. Which brings us to the nationally-broadcast forum at the evangelical Saddleback megachurch.

The transcript is kind to Ob. Leaves out all the stammers. And the blank face.

Warren asked Obama: “Does evil exist, and if it does, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, or do we defeat it?”

Obama’s response: “Evil does exist. I mean, we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil in parents have viciously abused their children and I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely and one of the things that I strongly believe is that, you know, we are not going to, as individuals, be able to erase evil from the world…Now, the one thing that I think is very important for us is to have humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil, but, you know, a lot of evil has been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil…And I think one thing that’s very important is having some humility in recognizing that, you know, just because we think our intentions are good doesn’t always mean that we’re going to be doing good…”

His people are always quick to call his misses “professorial” or “nuanced” or “intellectual” (he’s Stevenson!). I call them hesitant and unsure. And: wordy wordy wordy. Get that man a teleprompter and a speech. A cross all his own, and a pulpit. One that is way high up.

^^^^^^^

PBS had an hour tonight on Katrina, mostly on New Orleans and a little on Bay St Louis to the East of NO, which took the brunt of the full 28 ft water, whereas NO took 20 – 25 ft walls of water… Too short that hour, a lot was left out, and the focus was the Water, how it moved and how it hit. Where it hit. Ivor van Heerden was interviewed, as he often is. At Louisiana State University, a hurricane expert. He wept at the end of his segment.

Well, some one should weep for New Orleans, the little coastal towns along the Gulf- and the utterly utterly unique people, black, white and in-between with an influx of Vietnamese in the wake of the close of that war. People and a way of life that was cruelly and knowingly sacrificed.

Interview conducted October 29, 2004

NOVA: If this region—New Orleans, the wetlands, and all—were a patient in the hospital, how would you describe them? At what stage are they?

VAN HEERDEN: Close to death.

NOVA: Really? Don’t hold back.

VAN HEERDEN: (laughter) Thank you. Louisiana is a terminally ill patient requiring major surgery, a patient that if it was given a new heart and new lungs and a new liver would live. If it isn’t, it’s going to die. That’s the equivalent.

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1. diane - 19 August 2008

bwaaaaa where is everybody stepped away and everyone is gone (left two responses on the last thread)

Can’t imagine why you didn’t go in that tent Marisa…I got trapped in a far more ‘civilized’ tent once…it scared me and there weren’t even any guns……..

New Orleans truly revealed the underbelly in this country…we have a “president” who likes to mimic and mock folks begging for their life as he dons the executioner’s mask and padded codpiece….

2. lucid - 19 August 2008

There is nothing to miss in the world, however slow or fast one chooses to go. It’s all perception.

And I hate to go all Star Trek, but 2 movies ago, there was a beautiful thread about perception – because of the metaphasic radiation [sp] the individuals on the planet began to see time differently – a moment could be translated into an eternity. I do think this can happen for us. I think it does, when we least expect it and we need to savor that moment. It is not quite the eternal return, nor is it deja vu, but it is those fleeting moments that linger in memory as if real. The points where our memory is clear, not just ‘memory’. Or those unexpected moments when our body is clear and unconflicted.

Those moments are the afterlife. Those moments should be ‘life’.

3. marisacat - 20 August 2008

LOL Ioz:

When asked about their relationship with Jay Cee, Obama sliced open a lamb, squeezed its blood into a bucket, and bathed in it right there onstage. McCain said, “I’m saved and forgiven.” Next question.

The whole spectacle of presidential candidates prostrating themselves before a hocus-pocus divine in order to utter pious non sequiturs is faintly amusing or fairly terrifying, depending on how hard you squint.

Gave me a big chuckle.

As did this:

For the past eight or so years, online progressives have remained in the blastocyst stage of development, unquickened and unensouled. Eight years of organizing and no movement?

That si why God sent Obama. To save us and let us think we have a movement. It really is pretty funny, when you think bout it.

4. marisacat - 20 August 2008

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oh yeah we pulled out pretty fast… LOL

5. marisacat - 20 August 2008

No wonder Henrik Hertzberg is among the league of the pre-orgasmics (an official Ob group). His review of Saddleback. He manages to laud Sully (twice) and compare, favorably if with a qualification or two, Rick Warren, a 1000% commercial, petroleum based, god-product, to Henry Ward Beecher.

With his genial personality, his emphasis on happiness over hellfire, and his instinct for (relative) moderation, he reminds me a little of the young Henry Ward Beecher, a fascinating biography of whom I happen to be reading at the moment. Not that they’re in quite the same league, of course. Warren’s willingness to admit the reality of global warming and his admonitions to his fellow evangelical heavies to quit demonizing Democrats are most welcome, but he’s still got a ways to go before he can match the content or courage of Beecher’s stirring antislavery sermons.

I am praying round the clock, Novenas at High Noon, to the 4 eared cat that has appeared on earth (really! just saw it on ABC) that Ob win. People deserve him.

6. marisacat - 20 August 2008

Oh! And, HH posts one of the pics of Ob in the surf in Hawai’i.

All I want to know, who is Deborah Kerr in the deal?

7. marisacat - 20 August 2008

Apparently in the Land of 4 Eared Catdom, currently there are two. Lilly, a German farm cat… and Yoda, who is a solid gray short hair I saw on ABC.

8. marisacat - 20 August 2008

hmm watching a disagreeable looking Sarko with karzai… seems he is Bush’s poodle pup these days.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 August 2008

5 – I wonder who they’ll blame if/when he crashes and burns b/c he’s not ready for prime time?

10. marisacat - 20 August 2008

hmm no idea, beyond the Dems whining racism for a few years… as tho nothing else is involved.

Hard to say what will happen. Mostly I wonder if he is at all interested in debate prep. My guess would be not. Jesus refusing the lead of John the Baptist or something.

screw them all.

11. NYCO - 20 August 2008

It’s surprising there aren’t more four-eared cats out there. For some genetic reason I know not (but I read about it in the paper!), apparently kittens are rather more prone to such mutations than puppies are. Seven-toed cats are common. (Unfortunately, one-eyed cyclopean kittens are not unknown either.)

Not a genetic mutation, but my sister has a sweet little kitten whose tail appears to be tied in a knot midway through (making it a short tail). An X-ray would probably tell the tale, but the vet thinks her tail was broken in the womb and just developed all doubled back on itself. Weird. (We’re thinking of trying to pass her off as a rare “Bolivian Bobtail”…)

12. marisacat - 20 August 2008

This was a laugh. Doug Kmeic surprised taht Ob raised Clarence Thomas’ name at Saddlewhoowhoo.

I say, throw Doug and Henrik in the pounding surf. LOL

13. marisacat - 20 August 2008

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I had not heard of 4 eared cats before. It is rather fanciful looking.

14. NYCO - 20 August 2008

More book trouble for Obama. Well, probably not really trouble, but it just seems really stupid…

On Monday, [Chelsea Green publisher] Baldwin, an Obama supporter, tried to calm the furor by issuing an open letter to booksellers. “If all of you cancel your orders it will mean that a really good and important book on Obama will be effectively boycotted,” she wrote in a letter posted on the Chelsea Green Web site.

Mom! Daaaad! This is, like, so unfair to Obama, and to me!

What I don’t understand is why this publisher is so silly as to antagonize national book chains… in the interests of making more hymnbooks available to the choir at the Denver convention? Huh?

15. marisacat - 20 August 2008

Seems t me, iirc that Chelsea Green ws the first publisher for Kos…

16. JJB - 20 August 2008

Joe Biden’s son (who just happens to be Delaware’s Attorney General) is apparently going to Iraq:

Biden is a member of the 261st Signal Brigade, which oversees battalions that set up communications systems. Biden serves as a captain and a Judge Advocate General’s Corps officer — a military lawyer. As such, he would offer legal advice on disciplining soldiers and advise commanders and soldiers on issues such as wills and powers of attorney.. . . The unit was notified by the Army last year that it could be deployed this year.

It was a year ago this week that Biden’s father, U.S. Sen. Joe Biden, announced his oldest son was preparing to head to Iraq.

“I don’t want him going,” the elder Biden said during a campaign stop in Iowa while running for president. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years, and so how we leave makes a big difference.”

God, I can’t stand that man (father, the son I know nothing of). A couple of days ago, Josh Marshall wrote the following on his website:

Back in 2004, when I was writing a piece for The Atlantic about John Kerry, I did long interview with Biden in his office on Capitol Hill. And I remember coming away thinking, this is the guy you’d want to have making big decisions on the key foreign policy questions. To the extent that we think Obama needs someone with deep foreign policy knowledge in a constitutional office (i.e., non-fireable) to add ballast to his foreign policy vision I’m not sure I could think of a much better person.

I’ve never met Biden, much less engaged in a detailed conversation with him, but I did live in Delaware for 6 years, and I wouldn’t trust him with managing a fast food franchise, much less with the presidency.

Here’s a link for that, if you care to read the whole thing.

17. marisacat - 20 August 2008

No matter who ob picks I will laugh. The line up is so bad. I did see a segment this am and Kaine looked like he might have just swallowed the canary’s scaly little feet.

Biden and Bayh voted for the war and are career creeps and people will laugh at Ob saying Kaine is fit to be president.

Not that it matters!

18. ms_xeno - 20 August 2008

#9:

NADER !!

The Evil One will be smuggled into the audience in clever disguise by 5th Columnist, secretly making funny faces at Ob and ruining the Golden Man’s concentration at the critical moment !!!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh !! Doom ! Doom on yooooooooouuuu !!

19. NYCO - 20 August 2008

Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones is on life support after suffering an aneurysm.

http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=8871414

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=8871426

20. JJB - 20 August 2008

This is hilarious. A FOX News affiliate in (I guess) San Francisco had an interview with a 12 year-old girl who was in South Ossetia when the Georgians attacked, and was able to get out, along with a number of her relatives. The station decided to interview her and her aunt, apparently not realizing that they were decidedly anti-Georgian. Watch (courtesy of Juan Cole) as the girl and her aunt thank the Russians, denounce Saakashvili, and the anchor goes into a panic trying to cut the interview short (note also the monosyllabic grunts he utters as presumably his producers yell into his earphone to wrap this piece up).

21. diane - 20 August 2008

Message to Hollowwood, your, profession – Illusion, pretending to be someone you’re actually not – can be a dangerous cousin to Delusion, when you forget you’re really just another human being and not omnipotent.

Mia says:

”….”Blackwater has a much better idea of what an effective peace-keeping mission would look like than western governments,” Farrow told ABC News from a refugee camp in near the Darfur border…..

Would really love to know who, if anyone Mia conferred with, outside of Erik, on that one…was it you George?…..been taking classes with Oprah?

22. diane - 20 August 2008

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Hmmm on second thought, I guess Mia was impressed and instructed by the swimming success of Blackwater among those “refugee” denizens of New Orleans………….

23. diane - 20 August 2008

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Jeez, she died, she was only 59…..Rest in Peace………..

24. liberalcatnip - 20 August 2008

Jeebus. CNN announced that she died and the drs at the hospital press conference said she’s in critical condition, albeit on life support.

25. wilfred - 20 August 2008

They just had a ‘breaking news’ to say that she is still alive but in critical condition.

26. diane - 20 August 2008

thanks Catnip and Wilfred……
man, wonder what happened there? Hospitals have become frightening affairs…

27. NYCO - 20 August 2008

I hate the media. It’s clear that her prognosis is very grim. Poor family, having to deal with deathwatch vultures.

28. liberalcatnip - 20 August 2008

I think CNN just relied on a friend of hers (and Dem officials?) who said she had died. Kind of missed some of the coverage. They apologized to the family. Umm yeah. Sheesh.

29. NYCO - 20 August 2008

CNN has been a joke ever since 9/11.

30. liberalcatnip - 20 August 2008

lol..the dkos rec diary with the title announcing Tubbs Jone was dead has now been changed to “Please pray for Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones”. Some commenters, before the title was changed, challenged the idea that prayer works. They were quickly slapped upside the head.

31. liberalcatnip - 20 August 2008
32. marisacat - 20 August 2008

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Mia is saying waht George Clooney said on Rose a few months ago. Then Erik Prince was on two days later, Rose raised it. So smarmy. They all smiled and giggled… Clooney had phased it, Blackwater can HELP in Darfur,

Yeah help wiht the killing that we are a part of…

Mia regards Holbrooke as her great, good friend. She seems to take her pointers (mush little doggie, Darfur! China!) from him, and is anxious to say, My friend, Richard Holbrooke….

So my guess,… well you can guess.

33. marisacat - 20 August 2008

KGo is now reporting Stubbs Jones really has died.

34. NYCO - 20 August 2008
35. wilfred - 20 August 2008

#29 CNN has been a joke since Time/Warner hoodwinked Ted Turner into that ill-fated deal.

Rest in peace Congresswoman Stubbs.

36. liberalcatnip - 20 August 2008

I liked her spirit and spunk, from what I knew of her.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 August 2008

RFLMAO: McClellan to Obama: Don’t investigate us

I don’t think he has to worry any more than Daddy had to worry about Bubba investigating the 12 years before him.

W]hen asked what advice he would give to a President Barack Obama or Democratic Congress on the matter of handling former Bush officials, McClellan speaks now of the perils of probing the past.

“If Obama were to win,” he said last week, “that would be an issue his administration would have to face early … because he’s pledging to be a uniter, not a divider — without saying those exact words we campaigned on in 2000. He’s pledging to change the way Washington works, and if Congress were to pursue that, it would be very divisive.”

He continued: “That could be very problematic for his presidency right off the start.”

Upholding the rule of law and holding Constitutional criminals accountable would be “divisive”, which is a good enuff reason, I guess.

If you like living in a banana republic.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 August 2008

IOZ:

I mean, is it too much to ask, in my lifetime, to have just one secret Muslim, Mandingo, terroristical, abortion-worshipping, Marxist-Jew-Faggot-Nigger run for office on a platform of Abortion and Death? I never ask for anything, Baby Jesus. Just this once, can Katherine Sibelius actually declare herself the Vice President for Abortion?

Ramen.

39. NYCO - 20 August 2008

sheez, can the NYT not even get her fricking name right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/washington/21jones.html?

at 9:10 the headline read “Stephanie Tubb Jones.”

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 August 2008
41. marisacat - 20 August 2008

ugh.. well not the NYT, but I see I mangled her name as well. sigh

42. marisacat - 21 August 2008

hmm NZ radio is reporting that we are sending 15K in troops to Afghanistan.

43. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Here is a report, Pentagon to add 12 – 15K in troops:

He [Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan] disputes the notion that the three brigades on the way represent a troop “surge” for Afghanistan, predicting the need for an extended involvement of a larger force. “I’ve certainly said that we need more security capabilities,” he says. “But I would not use the term ‘surge,’ because I think we need a sustained presence.”

Both major U.S. presidential candidates have called for putting a greater military emphasis on Afghanistan, and it now appears that whoever wins the election will inherit a growing war already underway.

In March, 3,500 troops from the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit arrived to bolster NATO forces. Originally slated to return to the U.S. in October, they have seen their tour extended by one month.

The three additional brigades would considerably increase the U.S. force presence in Afghanistan, which currently stands at 34,000. Of these, 15,000 U.S. troops are under NATO command, while an additional 19,000 operate independently, primarily in the volatile eastern border region.

Carry on.

44. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Poking around I see both Ob and McC promised 10,000 more in troops to Afghnistan, both last month. Love it when the boys get into war-centric pissing games.

45. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Touring the tired retail politics hustings… it’s not just Sully and Kmeic who want to day dream that their candidate loves them. Individually. And exclusively.

Again, who is playing Deborah Kerr in the surf this go round?

Listening to KGO in the background, it is down to the nub. The SC. No other selling points, not really.

46. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Bacevich was with Amy today

And I think, in that regard, if we look at Afghanistan today, we have to see a country that historically, at least as I understand Afghan history, has never really functioned as an integrated and coherent nation state. It’s never been ruled from Kabul. It’s always been ruled from the—in the provinces by people you might call tribal chiefs. You might call them warlords, you can call them local bosses, but authority has been widely distributed. But we are engaged in a project in which we insist that we’re going to transform Afghanistan into something more or less like a modern, coherent nation state, and indeed, we insist that it has to conform to our notions of liberal democracy. [Personally Arnold looks pretty much like a tribal chief to me, gut wrenchingly so — Mcat]

Were we able to actually do that, I think it would be a wonderful thing. But seven years or so into this project, I’m not sure we can do it. Matter of fact, I’m increasingly persuaded that we can’t do it, and therefore—and I think in your news summary you made reference to this—you know, for

somebody like Senator Obama to say, “Elect me. I’ll win the global war on terror by sending more troops to Afghanistan,” I think ought to give people pause and, frankly, ought to cause them to wonder how much change an Obama administration would make with regard to a foreign policy. That’s not an argument for voting for McCain, by a long shot, but it suggests the narrowness of the debate over foreign policy.

Such couched language. There is no debate over FP. Tho Ob has 300 in staff on it (I’ve not read the staffing numbers for McC, but it hardly matters). The promise of Dem party sinecures if he wins.

Loved his opening remarks to Amy:

AMY GOODMAN: How hard was it to write this book after your son’s death? This is not theoretical for you.

ANDREW BACEVICH: Well, I try not to talk about my son’s death, because it’s a private matter, and to tell you the truth, I don’t want to do anything that even looks like it might be exploiting his memory. I would say that I imagine that some of the energy that informed the writing a book came from the emotional response to my son’s death. But the content, the critique, is unrelated to that tragedy.

I am rather unmoved by this. What was Iraq War all about? Exploitation of Iraq.

47. marisacat - 21 August 2008

AMY GOODMAN: So how is this narrowness taking place? I mean, yes, you have McCain saying we’ll be in Iraq for a hundred years. You have Obama speaking out against the war, but he votes with McCain for funding for the war all through the years—

ANDREW BACEVICH: Right, right, right.

AMY GOODMAN: —as a senator, and then he says we’ll send thousands more, we should send thousands more troops to Afghanistan.

ANDREW BACEVICH: Right, right. I think there are differences between the two, but I think we should see the differences as differences in operational priorities. McCain insists that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror and that it must be won, and it’s clear that if we, the American people, elect him, that we will be engaged in Iraq for a long, long time. Senator Obama says, “No, Afghanistan is the central front in the global war on terror. Elect me and will shift our military effort to Afghanistan.” It’s a difference, but it’s a difference in operational priorities; it’s not a difference in strategy.

[In a nutshell, that is it! They HIDE it, but the Dems have wee shit for brains Dems voting FOR WAR in voting for Oband I will bitch about it as long as I post this page — Mcat]

Both of them—McCain explicitly, I think Obama implicitly—endorse the notion that a global war on terror really provides the right frame for thinking about US national security policy going forward. A real debate would be one in which we would have one candidate, and certainly it would be McCain, arguing for the global war on terror and an opponent who was questioning whether the global war on terror makes sense. I don’t think it makes sense.

48. baypraire - 21 August 2008

uh oh. framing god with even more Hyperpicky (sic) criticisms

At the Saddleback forum with Pastor Rick Warren on Saturday in Orange County, the Republican presidential candidate delivered on-the-money messages and answers so effective they were “scary to me,” said George Lakoff, a renowned author and UC Berkeley linguistics professor who has studied how the human brain absorbs and processes messages.

Lakoff, whose work has helped shaped numerous Democratic candidates’ campaigns, said that “right through the motivational campaign theme, they were doing everything right.”

By contrast, Obama was “overconfident … and certainly not prepared” before the evangelical audience with definitive answers to clearly explain to voters his world view, values and vision, Lakoff said.

of course to me the entire style thing (blahblahblahblahblah) doesn’t matter a bit. only to those who powerpoint interpret angel dances on christian pin heads to the tune of the candidate advantage marche.

missguided loses sight of the fact that the “progressive” candidate was pandering to anti-choice, anti-gay forces that have been, and will continue to be, all about the destruction of liberal america.

victory by thoughtful stammering surrender!

and a tip to the choir…

run go hyperpicky that.

49. marisacat - 21 August 2008

LOL If he opposes gay marriage, and he does [like Edwards he does nto even want to meet with gays].. then he should come clean on where he is on Prop 8 out here. The fundie rightie effort to roll back the CASC ruling on marriage.

He is all over the map on EVERYTHING.

But LOL be sure to vote vote vote.

50. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Bacevich:

It seems to me that were we to accurately gauge the actually existing threat—and there is a threat. I mean, 9/11 happened. There are people out there who want to kill us. But were we to actually gauge that threat in a realistic way, we would see that open-ended global war is not only unnecessary, but it’s probably counterproductive, that there are better ways to go about keeping us secure than to engage in global war.

51. marisacat - 21 August 2008

LOL what a hoot. Managed, struggled, and got the answer, sorta. It is not merely speculation tho, it is out in the bright light.

[W]hat IS interesting about Obama is how he’s not articulating an alternative to McCain’s foreign policy belligerence.

When even Tom Friedman writes a column arguing that the neoconservatives blew it in Georgia, that has to mean the elites are split. And most people think there’s a substantial section of the ruling class centered around the state department that has a far less extreme view than the group centered around McCain and Cheney.

Why Obama isn’t speaking for this group is truely puzzling.

It almost feels as if there’s a consensus among the political elites both Democrat and Republican to side with the neocons and that the professionals in the state department, the sane parts of the military and academia have no more voice in the government than the anti-war movement.

italics are mine.

52. NYCO - 21 August 2008

Curious why Hillary Clinton was relatively slow in making public comment on Tubbs Jones’ passing. Lying low for a reason?

53. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Seems an odd thing to lie low over…

54. NYCO - 21 August 2008

I dunno… I’m wondering if she’s the veepessa after all. And has been instructed to stay under her rock.

55. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Well Ob is in VA all day. Someone call a whambulance for Kaine if he is not picked. He is described as anxiously awaiting the call, like a girl for a prom invite. (not my choice of words)

But Ob is in real trouble in the polls. He needs to tie something down here. So who knows.

I think all the choices are fraught.

56. marisacat - 21 August 2008

A very enjoyable day.

Halperin says the political class has rising buzz on Hillary (I wonder of Kaine is staying near a bathroom, LOL) – and McC Land goes ballistic in reply to How Many Houses Does He Have (I maintain only the dem party hardliners give a hoo hoo)

“Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses? Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people ‘cling’ to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who’s in touch with regular Americans?”

via The Page

57. NYCO - 21 August 2008

Oh, Hillary as VP would be ever so entertaining. Wow, that would be a sure admission that Obama could not seal the deal by himself.

58. NYCee - 21 August 2008

Back from vacation in the silky warm sun of NC — beach/island, Chapel Hill — and no internet. Well, except to look up one thing at the beach house re a certain complex of apts in NYC, to win an argument (in my head, it’s not worth the trouble to voice it) with my sister (knows best!) about rent laws. I did inform Mom, on the sly, that yours truly was right. Lol.

Mom, the Kucinich voter, pretty deep liberal (and one-time happy anarchist mtg attendee!), has never been an Obama fan. Views him with wariness. (Also never liked Edwards, her senator. Not hard to understand why.) Dad, is still a registered Repub (got a nice cream colored card-sized enveloped tagged “personal” from Cindy-Woo!-McCain — Mom threw it in the junk mail pile but I retrieved it) but has voted Dem since Bush1 v Dukakis sickened him out of the club (plus whatever else got his wheels rerouted that he does not expound upon). He has only this to say on the faith based nom – “Obama gives a good speech” — the ensuing silence says the rest just right by me. He, too, was a Kucinich voter.

I love Mom’s most current bumper sticker

I’m already against the next war

She took her 84 yr old self to the Farmers’ Market recently to get petitions signed for impeachment. Good goin’, maw.

Just perused the last thread. billmon link was a good read. Enjoyed a lot of comments here, too.

I, too, have my turntable, but gawddamnit if I didnt unload a ton of my vinyl, just to lighten my load… runnin down the road a whole buncha times… I could just die when I think about it, so I dont. How I loved going to the RECORD store and being able to take a non-plastic album cover or two home. Unwrap the shrink and FEEL the surface (nubbly, matte, slick, zippered, etc), big enough to SEE the art. And then there was the listening. Filled the room more fully. Um hmmm.

Was glad to see the comeback mentioned, diane. I also do love my ipod, it helps me work out, nice little card sized slip of a thing for on the go. A little “medit/c/ation when needed! I deem it a good invention.

But I never did like cds. I have them. Just dont like them. Little plastic harbingers of increased aesthetic drain to come. And come. And come. NYC case in point.

59. NYCee - 21 August 2008

Also went very minimalist on the TV. Did catch part of the Obama w/Warren special. Very Obama, his position on merit pay for teachers. For it. Yeah, like I’ve said, he and Bloomberg would be a good pair. Bloomberg got a minimalist (foot in door) watered down version of merit pay ok’d by teachers’ union here – they folded, after always fighting it en toto – a concession to win a long-fought deal for a sweet improvement to retirement plan.

Biden pro middle class! Lol. Laughing all the way to the BANK. The bankrupt can eat cake. Or bagels? Isnt that what he was handing off to reporters camped by his digs for veepery news? He shouldve handed them cookies decorated as credit cards. His business card.

60. marisacat - 21 August 2008

I love your mother’s bumpersticker! Absolutely right on!

61. JJB - 21 August 2008

The situation in Pakistan continues to get worse:

More than 60 people were killed Thursday when two suicide bombers attacked Pakistan’s largest weapons manufacturing complex, just north of the capital, the deadliest attack by the Taliban in their escalating campaign against the government.

The attack came just days after the resignation of President Pervez Musharraf left two rival political parties in the governing coalition haggling over the question of succession and added a new layer of turbulence to an unstable, nuclear-armed nation. Neither party has been eager to take on the campaign against the militants, which is seen here as an American conflict foisted on Pakistan.

The ordnance factories, in the town of Wah, just off the main road that connects Islamabad to the northern city of Peshawar, make up Pakistan’s biggest industrial complex, with 20,000 employees, according to retired Gen. Talat Masood, a former chairman of the factories. Run by the Ministry of Defense, the complex, Pakistan Ordnance Factories, consists of more than 16 factories that make ammunition of all kinds, as well as rifles, pistols, explosives and acid, mostly for export.

In choosing the target, the Taliban singled out a symbolically important industry, and one that Pakistanis thought was virtually impregnable, General Masood said.

The attack was well coordinated and timed during the mid-afternoon shift change to inflict maximum casualties, according to the inspector general of police in Punjab Province, Shaukat Javed.

The two suicide bombers were on foot, and they blew themselves up in front of two gates at the factory at almost the same time, he said. Dozens of workers were injured, and the death toll seemed likely to climb higher than 60.

62. NYCee - 21 August 2008

We really are in decline.

Saw “Jay” someone or other, Time’s political reporter who’s been assigned to Obama the past 18 months. I am not one to gussie up the Dems, paper over their incredible failures and weaknesses, but it’s just that facts ARE the facts, ma’am. I aint paid to report this shit, and she is. And there she was, answering below her “paygrade” on the very easily attainable facts.

A caller said none of the VP picks were good because they had all voted for the war and that is damaging to Obama’s big selling point on fp – that he had the good judgement to oppose it when prowar was all the rage. (True, this will make it awkward when some reporter, someone far better than Jay whatsername, asks him how he squares support for such a judgement-impaired veep with his dissing of the same impaired judgement of his opponent.) Jay (who appears to be crazy for Biden) then said that “90% of the Dems voted for it, which simply is not a fact. She then went on to up the error by saying that so many supported it that she imagines Joe Liebermann is the only Dem (at the time) who doesnt regret his vote. Again, she is Time magazine’s political reporter.

She then went on to say that Obama prides himself on having lots of voices at the table, so he has no problem with advice from the likes of these (LOSERS).

Well, unfortunately, that last part is all too true. Leaving foreign policy aside for a moment, I can only imagine the great domestic advice he will get from a Bayh or Biden… Bayh, for example, voted for the tax cuts, for Medicare, for bankruptcy, against late term abortion exception, for the war… Lovely.

But then, there must be counterbalance to Obama, who, as a card carrying member of Cult Mumia, will slap a Free Mumia up in the Oval Office, first day, of course.

63. NYCee - 21 August 2008

A Free Mumia poster, that should have read. Also, saw Jay from Time yesterday, on Cspan, WJ, which I forgot to mention.

64. NYCee - 21 August 2008

#60

Aint it a great message, though! Preventive peace. In your face. Lol.

65. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Further destabilsation in Pakistan, at a critical point.

Wider war, global war.

Wait’ll Mushi relocates (so I heard on The News Hour) to NEW MEXICO.

66. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Via Ben Smith, email from reporter with ob in VA

Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine was mum today following a fifteen minute meeting with Barack Obama at a Richmond hotel.

“I’m going to let the campaign speak for the campaign,” Kaine told a pool reporter when asked whether Obama had asked him to be his running mate.

He also declined to comment when asked if he could rule it out.

Kaine said Obama “visited with my staff just to basically say hi to them and thank them for all their hard work.”

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Obama also took a photo with Kaine’s staff. She wasn’t sure how much of the meeting was just Obama and Kaine and how much was with staff.

More potential tea-leaf moments soon: They will appear together at a town hall meeting this morning in Chester, Va

67. marisacat - 21 August 2008

Ob fights back! He found his Everlasts! And it sounds like surrogates are spreading out to talk about McC’s houses, however many he has. Or, rather, CINDY has… my own guess, he really does not know, as he and CHM largely live separate lives.

FWIW.

68. NYCO - 21 August 2008

America’s top African-American Democratic Leader Who’s Not Barack Obama sez:

I think I do have a responsibility beyond public service as an African-American, not just to other African-Americans, but to anyone who feels that the value of their work is not appreciated for other reasons than just the substance of their work, to women, to gay and lesbian citizens, to Hispanics, to immigrants, to people who go to work every day and are ridiculed. I’m going to make it clear that I’m not going to get pushed around that way…Courage isn’t measured by how much anxiety you feel, it’s measured by how you respond to it. And I don’t think they have deterred me in any way from my goal. Don’t confuse conciliation with weakness. I’m not the substitute teacher. I’m the new teacher.

69. marisacat - 21 August 2008

paterson is always impressive. last I caught him was on Tavis. he just seems very real. And hat graf says a LOT.

70. NYCO - 21 August 2008

67. Not to be too unflaggingly Obama-negative (it’s good to see some attack), but I wonder if that dog will really hunt.

Here’s the problem: Poor people don’t exactly hate the super-rich – the guys who have so many houses that they can’t count ’em. Hell, they want to be like the super-rich.

It’s almost a universal law of politics that people will feel animosity not toward those who are many steps above or below them, but those who are (perceived to be) one step above them or below them. Envy of those one socioeconomic step above them; fear of those one socioeconomic step below.

The Republicans, of course, have understood this for a long time. They get a lot more attention for their fear-mongering tactics — directing poor white voters’ animosity at the poor minorities who are “one step below” — but the Democrats routinely misunderestimate the GOP’s tactic of ridiculing those who are “one step above” the poor white voters.

Obama isn’t safe from these tactics, not because he’s black, but because he’s not truly upper-crust. If Obama were white, he would be almost as vulnerable to at least one of these traditional GOP lines of attack.

I wonder if focusing too many resources on deriding McCain’s umpteen houses is ultimately a waste of energy, considering that Obama still seems to have certain demographics to win over. That said, McCain still hasn’t been smart enough to really hit Obama where he lives — to really succeed in portraying Obama as an out-of-touch academic with too much pretentious book-learnin’.

sheez… this campaign has been like watching two flies competing to fly out of the open half of a half-open window!

71. marisacat - 21 August 2008

I never cared that ob had been used by the likes of Rezko, they all have that sort … I cared (or was stupefied by the sheer dumbness) that ob so was so fucking greedy he involved him the purchase of their home they could not q u i t e afford. Bringing it home you might say. McCain has an easy comback, over and voer and over.

The Obams poor mouth quite a bit, but somehow had 117K in down payemnt on the 270K condo in 93. I mean, if houses are to be talked about.

No I don;t think the house issue will work, fine hit him on being dumb and rich, but not to hammer it. AND worse for Ob, I think McC possibly was quite calculating about the 5 million remark (at Saddleback). It stinks to high heaven of a set up for Ob. The American people over and over are not comfortable with a low hundred thousands cut off between rich and middle class. They just ar e not.

72. marisacat - 21 August 2008

sheez… this campaign has been like watching two flies competing to fly out of the open half of a half-open window!

That is too perfect!

73. marisacat - 21 August 2008

nu thred………………

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