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Pretzeldents and Monopoly.. 22 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Abortion Rights, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Sex / Reproductive Health.


Googolopoly, actually, I could not resist the pitch fork… 😉

…try to get it straight: it’s now 10 residences on 9 properties. There may be 3, 4, 5 or 6 residences or structures on the main family compound in Sedona. Woo Hoo.

IMO, one guy owns Park Avenue, the other wants in.

Color me so unimpressed. However! It has helped move us to the bloodletting stage, I see that is a bonus.

A tad dark? I don’t think so.


Here is the article in SF Gate yesterday on the moves coming from HHS w/r/t religious exception, protection for Catholic hospitals, doctors, and other religious health care professionals who do not wish to provide care to women, or to any one else, based on religious exception. It will over ride the hodge podge of state laws that we have… additionally it will exempt Catholic and religious orgs from having to provide birth control coverage in health plans. When an EMPLOYEE chooses (their fragile conscience!) to not dispense birth control in a pharmacy (which are state licensed) currently, under our state law, they are to direct the woman to another provider who will. I thought that was a goddamed concession to Catholics and fucked fundies, in my opinon, at the time…

Now they will not even have to do that… Now based on a health care provider’s personal belief that you should not receive care, for moral religious or personal reasons, they can withhold information.


Although some have interpreted the proposal more narrowly, Deirdre McQuade, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ spokeswoman on abortion, said the goal is to protect those who object to any form of artificial contraception.

“Pregnancy is not a disease to be treated by abortion, and neither is fertility,” she said. “To be coerced to treat it as if it were a condition that is pathological is unjust.”

Under this they will not have to make a referral. Maybe in a city, a big one, this does not seem to be an inconvenience, in small towns it will be.

Here is the kicker…

Violators would forfeit federal health care funds, which in California amount to as much as $37 billion a year.

The draft regulation describes the problem as laws such as those in California and New York that require employers to include contraceptives in any prescription drug coverage they offer to employees. The federal agency had no comment Wednesday on the proposal.

I am at the end of patience, with politics, with religion, with both parties and with all electeds.. And coming right at the end – before BushCheney skate off, I doubt there is great energy, any energy, in the weak limbed, brain fogged and RW compliant Democrats to do more than mumble. They did nothing to amend Medicare, Part D, a mess and a horror.

Religious beliefs

According to the draft regulation, health practitioners are often unaware of their rights and are encountering “an environment in the health care industry that is intolerant of certain religious beliefs, ethnic and cultural traditions, and moral convictions.”

Requiring states and federal fund recipients to honor the refusal of health care practitioners and others to take part in procedures they find objectionable would promote “a more inclusive, tolerant environment,” increase diversity in the medical field, and affect states “only insofar as they engage in illegal discrimination,” the proposal says.

Planned Parenthood’s Kneer said opponents will campaign as hard as they can to stop the regulation, lobbying Congress as well as federal officials. If they fail, she said, they’ll ask the next administration to repeal it.

Last, our CASC just ruled that a lesbian who was denied IVF care at a practitioner, has to be accommodated, regardless of the provider’s opinon of her sexual orientation or marital status. She herself did finally find care and did become pregnant, but the case was to establish the law of her right to seek the procedure and not be denied..

OUT THE WINDOW, if HHS, Bush, Wingers and conservative – and collaborator – Dems get away with this one. The problem is that the Right always wins part of what they want, then, as zealots, they keep on.. til they get more.

IMO this codifies, further, the right of the religious, in their perceived victimisation (forced to do their fucking JOB, forced to acknowlege that the secular world is important), to abuse the rest of us.



Ryan Lizza is up with another profile of Ob… I was going to skip it – I can only take so much, LOL – until I saw it was premised on what CO’s Gov. Ritter has to teach Ob. I really have little left to say, maybe add that The New Yorker is fucked, gone and absorbed inside some despicable body part of the Dem party. It is a Dem party sales job.

Ritter, who is scheduled to address the Convention on Thursday night, is an improbable choice to be pointing Democrats toward the Party’s future. He is a Catholic in a Protestant state. In his opposition to abortion, he is out of synch with Party members as well as with the Party platform; twice during his rise through Colorado politics, pro-choice Democrats tried to derail his career—in 1993, when he was appointed district attorney of Denver, and in 2005, as he was preparing to run for governor. “When I was making phone calls, raising money,” he said, “I probably talked about abortion in ninety to ninety-five per cent of my calls.” Many potential donors said that because of his view they couldn’t support him.

And there is this, as though the world is static from 1865 onward:

“We never had slavery out here,” Gary Hart said. “I mean, it’s a Southern issue. And obviously the number of African-Americans is smaller, but that’s not the point. The point is we just didn’t have the heritage of slavery.” The Obama campaign has claimed that a huge increase in black turnout could make him competitive in the Deep South, especially Georgia. But this doesn’t seem a likely outcome to most analysts, who argue that the larger the black population in a Southern state the more the white population tends to vote Republican. David Beattie told me, “From a lot of work we’ve done in Georgia in state legislature seats, we learned that when the black percentage passes eighteen per cent, the whites in that seat tend to be more Republican than whites in seats where it is under eighteen per cent black.”


UPDATE, KGO is saying the personal exception will extend beyond religion to personal and moral reasons for refusing. And fully covers an event in a hospital related to something the worker refuses to take part in, they cannot even sterilise instruments. And I assume they would refuse a box of Kleenex for a rape vicitm who will be receiving the day after pill.

Gil Gross is spending the hour on it, about the 4th or 5th hour they have given this, over the past weeks… since this draft doc was leaked.



1. NYCO - 22 August 2008

BEARack: Learn about the real Barack with Bearack the Teddy Bear!

2. marisacat - 22 August 2008

hmm Ok stand back, for coming blood spatter. Blood SPRAY maybe. Blood puddles.

KGO just said text messages are going out (which they received) from Ob Camp:

Not yet, Gil, but thanks so much..

3. wilfred - 22 August 2008

Guess they want to hit the end of the nightly news on the east coast? That would make time for an announcement but no time for commentary.

4. wilfred - 22 August 2008

Well, they missed that deadline. Talk about your Friday news dumps!

5. wilfred - 22 August 2008

Olbermann reporting via Andrea Mitchell that Kaine and Bayh have been informed that they are not the VP pick.

We’ll see.

6. NYCO - 22 August 2008

OK, this is getting rather pathetic of them. First Wednesday, then Friday, now Saturday. One can only assume that Obama’s aides spent the last few days talking His Wunnerfulness off the ceiling when he found out he actually did have to pick a running mate which he wouldn’t be able to ever change.

Or maybe they’re dragging this out because they know it’s the last surprise their campaign will ever offer the public.

7. wilfred - 22 August 2008

LOL, just wait until we find out that the time was picked by Michelle’s astrologer. Didn’t Nancy Reagan do that for Ronnie?

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

well, I think they purposely waited until after the news casts, to keep everybody talking about teh “anticipation” and to maybe get more people to watch tomorrow.

Or something. I’m sick of hearing about it.

9. NYCO - 22 August 2008

Hm. The last time a political savior had a style this secretive, he wound up getting caught with a hooker and leaving office in disgrace.

10. aemd - 22 August 2008

Very nice post. WooHoo, “Empire”. I don’t think the youngin’s know what’s comin’ down the pike. Obamarama or Mcay’cain, same shit. Red/Blue there is no difference but the spin. You got the money and can produce the votes, they will find the time.

Well, we women do find a way. BTW, did you know that Queen Ann’s Lace can be used as a contraceptive. Funny that. It’s not native to North America but seems to be everywhere. ‘Magine that.

Ramen, opps meant Amen. 😉

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Greens call military-style police measures and violation of citizens’ rights a “breakdown of law”


For Immediate Release:
Monday, August 18, 2008

Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, cell 202-904-7614, mclarty@greens.org
Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene@gp.org

Greens condemn curfews, anticonstitutional police harassment of innocent citizens in Arkansas and DC, and the War on Drugs as “self-defeating” in efforts to eliminate crime

WASHINGTON, DC — Green Party candidates and leaders called the 24-hour curfew imposed on the city of Helena-West Helena, Arkansas, a gross violation of the rights of local citizens and a symptom of the rapid growth of unrestrained police power over the past two decades.

Politicians and law enforcement officials have justified such measures as part of the war on drugs. Greens have endorsed an immediate end to the drug war, calling it a catastrophic failure.

“A city that hands its police force a license to trash the constitutional rights of its citizens is not a city that is upholding law and order and protecting its citizens. On the contrary, unlimited police power is a complete breakdown of the law,” said Joshua Drake, Arkansas Green Party nominee for Congress (4th District) (http://www.drake08.com).

The curfew in Helena-West Helena (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26171820/), a response to the crime rate in some neighborhoods, empowers officers armed with military rifles to stop and interrogate citizens without warrent or any semblance of probable cause.

A similar curfew has been imposed on Washington, DC’s Trinidad neighborhood, where the police have established checkpoints allowing officers to question all drivers entering the area. Citizens must convince the police they have a “legitimate reason” for their presence in the neighborhood.

“These interrogations and checkpoints are comparable to police practices in authoritarian regimes and especially apartheid-era South Africa — which is even more ominous given the fact the residents of these new ‘Red Zones’ are mostly African American and poor,” said Rosa Clemente, the Green Party’s nominee for Vice President of the United States (http://www.rosaclemente.com). “Such measures also recall the repression by police and private security firms in post-Katrina New Orleans, which accompanied the obstruction and expulsion of mostly poor and black residents from their homes.”

“These policies have only empowered criminal gangs involved in the drug trade, just as Prohibition fed the growth of organized crime. The ACLU is right — two of our most important freedoms, the right of mobility and protection against warrantless search and seizure, are being nullified for the sake of the disastrous war on drugs, in violation of local law and the US Constitution,” added Ms. Clemente. (August 8 letter from the ACLU of Arkansas to Helena-West Helena Mayor J.F. Valley: http://www.acluarkansas.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=89&Itemid=4)

Greens noted that curfews and harassment of citizens reflect the militarization of civilian police departments enacted by the Clinton Administration in the mid 1990s, with officers trained in military tactics to fight the drug war.

Along with police militarization and the expanded war on drugs, the Nixon, Bush Sr., Reagan, Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations also oversaw the rapid growth of the private prison industry, which profits from filling up prison cells with more and more inmates. The outcome has been record incarceration of US citizens, especially of young African American and Latino men locked up on nonviolent offenses and plea-bargaining deals.

“Democratic and Republican politicians are equally responsible for the transformation of civilian police into militias,” said Abel Tomlinson, Green nominee for Congress in Arkansas’ 3rd District (http://www.abelforcongress.com). “The drug war has very little to do with drugs — it’s about control, coercion, and power. It’s about money. America won’t get sane drug laws and law enforcement until enough Greens get elected to public office to overturn these self-defeating, unconstitutional policies.”

The Green Party supports the principle that governments can best address crime and drug use by promoting local self-determination and residents’ ownership of their own communities, observing citizens’ rights, and recognizing that addiction is above all a medical problem.

12. NYCO - 22 August 2008

10. Yeah, too bad Queen Anne’s Lace is dangerously similar to this plant. Yeesh. Use with caution.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

My rep isn’t having any of this Puma nonsense!

In a meeting the Journal Sentinel reporters and editors, Moore said she can “really see the damage that was done” by the long fight between nominee-to-be Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

One measure: The personal access Clinton supporters in Congress are demanding from Obama.

“I have seen people who from my perspective are very, very unrealistic about this man’s time,” said Moore, who supported Obama. “They have said, ‘He needs to come meet with me.’ Some of them have been Hillary supporters. I have felt very sympathetic toward Sen. Obama, because he can’t break himself into 20 different parts.

“They don’t want to meet in groups. They want to meet one-on-one with him. I don’t know if they’re trying to extract things from him. I don’t know if they want to have bragging rights that they met with him,” Moore said, before declaring: “I don’t need any face time with Sen. Obama. I need Sen. Obama to do what he needs to do.”

Moore said any Clinton supporters unsure about backing Obama should look at the differences between Obama and Republican nominee-to-be John McCain, especially on issues such as the economy, health care and the Iraq war.

“I think anyone still pouting over Sen. Clinton is not focused on these things and it’s just about personalities,” Moore said.

She added: “I’m bewildered by some of the disgruntlement. Maybe it’s easy to say, because the person I backed won. But John Edwards, Hillary, Barack Obama — I can remember feeling totally satisfied about the prospect of any one of the three becoming the nominee.”

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Green Party’s new direction in moderation.

15. NYCO - 22 August 2008

11. In fact… people would be well advised to just stay the f— away from anything that even remotely resembles a Queen Anne’s Lace. The dread and terrifying Giant Hogweed is also a member of this family. Even the relatively safer Cow Parsnip is pretty nasty.

16. aemd - 22 August 2008

#12 and #15 😯

Golly, guess we all better keep our legs crossed and treat the spread of Queen Ann’s Lace like Purple loose strife.

You’re missing the point. Queen Ann’s Lace is not native to North America but is pretty much found everywhere. Women do find a way.

“Queen Ann’s Lace, or wild carrot, common to N. America, where it has been used in rural communities to prevent pregnancy.”

“…A small number of women in Watauaga County, N. Carolina, in the Appalachian Mountains, drink a glass of water containing a teaspoonful of Queen Ann’s Lace seeds immediately after intercourse to prevent pregnancy. And women living in rural areas of Rajasthan, India, chew dry seeds of Queen Ann’s Lace to reduce ferility. Both practices were known to women 2000 years ago.”

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008
18. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

What a horrible abuse of authority:

It appears that a principal at Ponce de Leon High School felt that he had made an important discovery himself in Florida. Principal David Davis was shocked when a student came to him about being harassed about being a lesbian. It was not the harassment but the lesbian part that shocked Davis who immediately lectured the girl on her immoral lifestyle, told her to stay away from children, and then outed her to her parents.

Davis’ outrageous treatment of the girl, known only as Jane Doe, prompted a quiet protest from other students. Showing far more sense and compassion than the school, the students became to well (began to wear?!?!) gay pride symbols in solidarity. Davis responded by allegedly questioning the sexuality of the other students and suspending some of them.

The American Civil Liberties Union successfully sued the district and Davis was demoted. What is most alarming is that you cannot be fired for engaging in raw discrimination and harassment on the basis of sexual orientation — not to mention interjecting your own religious views into a school setting.

The result makes more sense when you read the response of Steve Griffin, Holmes County’s school superintendent: “We are a small, rural district in the Bible Belt with strong Christian beliefs and feel like homosexuality is wrong.” Griffin always keeps a bible on his desk and has framed Scriptures in his office to greet students and parents who want to speak with him. Given his boss, it is curious that Davis wasn’t promoted over the incident.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008
20. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Some of All Parts

McKinney supporter rap video.

21. BooHooHooMan - 22 August 2008

The vid on Comcast “On Demand” of Obama’s 2004 Convention speech
left this out:

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too:

We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States.

We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States.

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. Text Link

Whether it was Comcast editing or DNC / ‘ Lama sourced vid:
Gays ,Iraq, and pokin around libraries to the back of the bus “On Demand”..
Pokin around libraries whether Clinton’s or The Daley in Chi is like wearin white after Labor Day.
Oh I’m sorry, we’re supposed to get used to it no? LOL.

Almost post-political beyond my backyard.
Succesfully walked a few older folks across traffic,
spent time with the kid, enjoying life, that kind of stuff…

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Copyright lawyer shuts down his blog:

This leads me to my final reason for closing the blog which is independent of the first reason: my fear that the blog was becoming too negative in tone. I regard myself as a centrist. I believe very much that in proper doses copyright is essential for certain classes of works, especially commercial movies, commercial sound recordings, and commercial books, the core copyright industries. I accept that the level of proper doses will vary from person to person and that my recommended dose may be lower (or higher) than others. But in my view, and that of my cherished brother Sir Hugh Laddie, we are well past the healthy dose stage and into the serious illness stage. Much like the U.S. economy, things are getting worse, not better. Copyright law has abandoned its reason for being: to encourage learning and the creation of new works. Instead, its principal functions now are to preserve existing failed business models, to suppress new business models and technologies, and to obtain, if possible, enormous windfall profits from activity that not only causes no harm, but which is beneficial to copyright owners. Like Humpty-Dumpty, the copyright law we used to know can never be put back together again: multilateral and trade agreements have ensured that, and quite deliberately.

I’ve come to believe that the only hope for a robust culture is outright, willful disregard of the demands of multinational corporations, anarchic sharing and … well … “stealing”, as it is defined now.

link via http://www.sivacracy.net/

23. bayprairie - 22 August 2008

21. said

Almost post-political beyond my backyard.
Succesfully walked a few older folks across traffic,
spent time with the kid, enjoying life, that kind of stuff…

poor billmon. his return just fell into second place. and a distant one at that.


24. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Michael Moore Dares to Ask: What’s So Heroic About Being Shot Down While Bombing Innocent Civilians?

When McCain was shot down, on October 26, 1967, he was busy bombing what he would describe as a “heavily populated part of Hanoi.”

What follows is a a rather entertaining passage in which Moore then asks what you would do to a man who “fell out of the sky” after dropping bombs on you or your children. But the most important question comes at the end:

John McCain is already using the Vietnam War in his political ads. In doing so, it makes not just what happened to him in Vietnam fair game for discussion, but also what he did to the Vietnamese … I would like to see one brave reporter during the election season ask this simple question of John McCain: “Is it morally right to drop bombs and missiles in a ‘heavily populated’ area where hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians will perish?”

25. marisacat - 22 August 2008


Two of yours out of Moderation… Sorry! for the delay! Had a too big grocery delivery and sort of dropped and died after it..


Hey hey BHHM... back from the jungle.. 😉

26. marisacat - 22 August 2008

I’m thinking anyone over 26 and a half lost interest around the ssecond Stand By, And Thanks text message.

Hype and then some.

27. marisacat - 22 August 2008


CNN is reporting that Hillary has said definitively she has been called and told she is not The Chosen. The text, it is said, will go out tomorrow morning. OK but how many times did they say that???

Do we get something with that text message, like the old Cracker Jack boxes with a little toy inside.???

28. wu ming - 22 August 2008

the wretched thing about those HHS changes is that no dem will dare roll them back. same as the gag rule.

29. marisacat - 22 August 2008


wu ming

It is the global gag rule, brought home. Yes and I was to vote for so many Democrats to save some poor Uganda woman. No Democrat will do anything about this, esp not with an EXPANDED Faith based fuckery int he West Wing.


I have to take a look at the full text (linnked at the bottom of the SF Gate article)… KGO was plucking stuff out of the text – like unable to do anything around a religious exemption event, like sterilising the instruments.

And I am sure the selected high holies would not even touch a gay to care for them, not even for an infected hangnail.

30. marisacat - 22 August 2008


OK but in 04 we were told to revere Kerry’s old white ass for entering a Vietnamese village for an operation to seek and destroy (they were to find the weapons cache – and did not) and on the way out he and his buddy decided to bomb their rice supplies and a rice grain hit his forearm (Purple Heart!, one of three) and so on.

And no none of that came from Swift Boaters.

31. marisacat - 22 August 2008

oh the rice grain was burning, by the way.

Which is why I did not vote for him – and vote back wards for that fucked war.

32. marisacat - 22 August 2008


Secret Service headed to Biden’s where it is breathlessly reported the whole family is gathered.

LOL I just read that the R are ready, with the push, that Ob knows he is deficient and hired an old time Washington hand. And one who voted RIGHT on the war.

We are so blessed!

33. marisacat - 22 August 2008

It’s official, and it is coming from Democratic officials (according to KGO, and not from the text message)


Did the suspense kill you?

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

30 – oh, agreed, and it is to my everlasting shame that I knuckled under and voted for him.

never again.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 August 2008

Biden … RFLMAO!

Oh, TOO funny. Courageous, Mr. Jeebus Donk! Vote for Jeebus and Usurer!

It’s a fucking DREAM TICKET, if you’re a rich white guy xtian who loves war and barely tolerates women.

Tomorrow, on the anniversary of “I Have a Dream”, in Lincoln’s symbolic home, THIS is what the “liberal” party will offer up?!?!?


Damned good thing I’ve given up hope.

36. marisacat - 22 August 2008

The R will say the Dems brought in an adult. Who is btw, white haired and 65.

We need a jingle. with “white haired and 65”.. “Obama wanted a white Daddy and got one” who called Obama “clean and articulate”

Whoo hoo.

Moyers tonight on poverty in the burbs. They highlighted Jefferson Co, ourside of Denver. Bad news sad news “the spiral down is fast”…

37. marisacat - 22 August 2008

financial services has their man in blair house… or is it the naval observatory… i get confused on the down ticket real estate

38. marisacat - 22 August 2008

oh yeah DE is 3, repeat three, EV

39. baypraire - 22 August 2008

Neil Kinnock has reportedly gone into hiding.

40. marisacat - 22 August 2008

that made me laugh…

ABC Nightline tried to say Biden “comes from an important swing state”


41. marisacat - 22 August 2008


BTW, if you are still around, I just saw that Kurtz cracked the Daley Library records. On the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

Sad to say, Ayers is a tailor made 60s personality for the Righties.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The University of Illinois said Friday it is releasing records of Barack Obama’s service to a nonprofit organization linked to former 1960s radical William Ayers.

Supporters of John McCain have been trying to exploit the tie between Obama and Ayers, with a conservative group spending $2.8 million on an ad focusing on Ayers. Ayers’ Weatherman group took credit for bombings that included nonfatal blasts at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol four decades ago.

The records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an organization that Obama chaired and that Ayers co-founded, will be made available to the public Tuesday, the University of Illinois at Chicago said in a statement.

On Monday, National Review magazine posted an online article saying the university had initially declared that the records were open to inspection but that the university subsequently reversed its position.

42. marisacat - 22 August 2008

Biden voted fro the Bankruptcy Bill.

43. cad - 23 August 2008

To see the height of cognitive dissonance, go check out Markos claim that this text disaster showed that Obama had a model operation. Even funnier is the koswhacks komments from people saying that the whole point was to ignore the MSM so they could read their late widdle txts and feel like special young pwog corporate slaves to AT&T. Seriously, the disconnect there is astounding. There’s only a few sane commenters who are getting banned faster than you can say LOL.

44. marisacat - 23 August 2008

I am sure someone died while waiting for the text message. Which will drag out sometime tomorrow.

I laughed myself silly that the “leak” came from “Democratic officials”. THEY got sick and tired of it.

45. marisacat - 23 August 2008

nu thred…………


……………… 8) …………………..

46. baypraire - 23 August 2008

i dunno cad. i can say LOL pretty damn fast!

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