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Senate screw……… 23 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate, WAR!.

How embarrassing and a signal that The World is About to End, I agree with Lucianne’s white worm man child (the shame of it!):

I think it is an outright terrible decision on Obama’s part to pick Biden. Yes, he helps balance Obama’s inexperience on foreign policy, but he also reminds people of it. Yes, Biden could conceivably be effective as an attack dog. But Biden is such a gasbag he makes the Hindenburg look like a sack of rocks. Obama doesn’t need to increase his lip-flapping quotient. Biden is a gaffe machine and Obama is bad explaining faults, and his VP’s faults will inevitably become Obama’s in the Fall campaign. Biden will be fantastic at convincing people already eager to vote for Obama to vote for Obama. His ability to convince the undecided is much, much weaker, in my opinion. There’s more than a small risk that Biden will reinforce the sense that this ticket is all about hearing itself talk. I wouldn’t be surprised, two months from now, that we’ll hear a lot of talk about how Obama’s mistake in picking Biden can be explained by Obama’s inherent weakness, and love, for talky-talk-talk.

Biden supporter in Iowa..........

“…I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment — this was the time — when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.” —- ObamaRama on the occasion of achieving enough delegates

hmm I don’t think so..



1. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Kohut of PEW on Ob Fatigue. It occurs to me that anyone waiting for that text message, it was the equivalent of sitting on a dial tone.

2. marisacat - 23 August 2008

LOL This from the comments to the Kohut piece made me chuckle, or snicker or something. One born every minute.

August 23rd,
1:39 am

Obama fatigue is the understatemenyt of the year. Boredom or nauseated would describe my feelings better. Its like watching a political pope dishing out indulgences on his flock or watching a hollywood celebrity gracing the lower echelons with his presence. The only real person fit to be the next President of America is Arnold Schwarzenegger and the sooner they remove that foolish law that stops him being made President the sooner that America can look forward to having a really good strong president.

— Posted by robo1936

3. marisacat - 23 August 2008

2:08 am PT


The text message has gone out. Repeat: The text message has gone out.

Over and out.

and offstage, we faintly hear:

earth to Obama, earth to Obama: Are you not The One? Who are we waiting for? Who are we?

4. marisacat - 23 August 2008

yum! “Skeletons in Joe Biden’s closet?”, from cometman, with video. Maybe Obama can hurry up with a correction text message. LOL


btw, the thread to cometman’s diary is excellent, good links and Jay Elias and sabrina are on the hunt for BidenDirt.


5. cad - 23 August 2008

As fer Daily Kos, let the new round of banning begin!

6. NYCO - 23 August 2008

I’m just dumbfounded that a guy who the voters resoundingly didn’t want as president umpteen times is supposed to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Biden. Surreal.

Just because someone’s been vetted a trillion times doesn’t mean they’re any less of a non-entity.

All McCain has to do is pick Huckabee, and that’s all she wrote. Because Huckabee is ready to do the dirty work of getting just enough on-the-fencers to warm up to him.

7. NYCO - 23 August 2008

OMG. Two senators. It just hit me.

If McCain doesn’t pick Huckabee for veep, he is just stupid. But I fully expect McCain to counter with an equally stupid choice.

8. marisacat - 23 August 2008

The whole thing is hilarious.

9. marisacat - 23 August 2008


“everybody” is saying Romney…

10. NYCO - 23 August 2008

9. Obama-BentsenBiden and McCain-Romney would be the ultimate clusterfuck!

I’m confused, I just got up, when did the text message go out? Am I to understand it went out in the wee hours? RICH!!!

11. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

3 am Eastern Time, right?

Little in-joke there, huh!

One good joke deserves another – check out the video here:
Text ‘FAIL’ to 62262.

12. marisacat - 23 August 2008

I am hearing the text message was sent late night… and it went in bunches… it was hitting people in the KGO radio newsroom for several hours, in succession…

And before that Tapper and others reported that there were small swarms of fake text messages sent to small groups… across a couple of days.

I don’t think this hit high C, as an operative plan…


13. marisacat - 23 August 2008

media is falliing all over it self to make this team make sense. Geesh. Pretty funny to watch tho. Stephanopolous esp looney. “They know each ohter well from serving on the Foreign Relations Cmt together”.

LOL Biden went to the senate when Obama was 11.

The bonus, not long til Biden says something out of place, or just wrong.

14. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Byron York at The Corner…

And by the way, Biden’s up for re-election this year, right? Has there been any announcement of what he’ll do about that? I believe he can run for re-election simultaneously, but will he take advantage of that hedge?

15. baypraire - 23 August 2008

graph ofNew Data: Impact of Biden


16. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

11 – that video is pretty frakkin’ funny.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

woo hoo Vote O’Biden!

18. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

No high C left on the ch-ch-ch-change movement, that’s fer sure!

generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide

Dental Health Parity for all!

A couple of comments at bayprairie’s WaPo link:

How’s Obama going to keep Joe’s big mouth shut?

Posted by: gerstner | August 23, 2008 8:41 AM

Bucket of warm spit, anyone?

Posted by: David Lucas | August 23, 2008 9:13 AM

19. NYCO - 23 August 2008

Just got off the phone with my Dad. Yellow Dog Dem if there ever was one. He thought Biden was a good choice and made the mistake of bringing up JFK at one point. When I asked him to think of Biden and LBJ in the same room, he changed the subject.

20. NYCO - 23 August 2008

Great comment posted on TalkLeft…

I feel like I just received an e-mail letting me know my 8-track is available for pick up.

21. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

This just begs teh jokes:

It’s 12 am and CNN has already announced Joe Biden is the pick. Do you know where your text message is?


It’s 3 am and the phone rings at the White House.

(Voice of Obama.)

“Joe! It’s for you!”

22. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

20 – Good one!

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

Who Will Crash the Democratic and Republican Conventions?

At some point during the upcoming Republican National Convention, delegates will look out the windows of the Xcel Energy Center, or down from swank hotels and grand old after-parties, and there, past the security fences and the legions of taser-toting police and private security guards, they will see the other America spilling into the streets of St. Paul, Minnesota.

That is, if the Republicans even make it that far. From September 1-4, the RNC will be besieged by a panoply of protesters — including antiwar activists, Iraq War veterans, Hurricane Katrina survivors, immigrant workers, labor unionists, anarchists, environmentalists, feminists and queers. At the frontlines will be America’s young dissidents who will walk out of class, lock down intersections and dance in the streets to “Funk the War.”

The view from Denver at the Democratic National Convention at the end of August will look a little different. That’s because in the age of Obama many of these same movements, so united against the RNC, are deeply conflicted over the Democrats and the party system itself — perhaps none more so than the youth movement. At issue, say organizers across the country, is not only their relationship to the Obama campaign and the presidential elections but the very meaning of democracy in 2008. Is true democracy possible inside the party system and on the campaign trail? Or is democracy to be found and made by the people in the streets outside? Will the two ever meet?

Not if the conventioneers have their way. Uncredentialed activists are to be fenced off and kept away from the Pepsi Center in Denver by parking lots the size of football fields. The protesters descending on the RNC will be cordoned off into designated “free speech zones,” guarded by thousands of police officers to the tune of $50 million at this “National Special Security Event.”

The streets will also be haunted by the ghosts of conventions past, from the cracking of skulls at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago to the pre-emptive arrest and detention of nearly 2,000 protesters at the 2004 Republican convention in New York City. Like their predecessors outside those arenas, this year’s dissidents have come to see the party conventions, advertised as the ultimate showcases of American democracy, as exhibits A and B of the nation’s deficit of democracy instead. And they cast themselves in opposition, as the keepers of the flame.

“It really will be a collision of opposites,” says Minneapolis activist Katrina Plotz when asked about the RNC, which she is organizing against with the Coalition to March on the RNC and Stop the War. “A scripted and sanitized spectacle for a homogenous group of wealthy elites inside the convention hall versus a thriving, organic movement of the masses outside.”

They really need to understand that there is NO difference between those two parties.

24. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

LOL Biden went to the senate when Obama was 11.

Looking for daddy.

25. NYCO - 23 August 2008

17. You know, this shouldn’t be a consideration for who you pick as your running mate, but sort of like Mr. and Mrs. Peter shouldn’t name their son “Harry”… you wonder if O’BIDEN is going to become a negative catchphrase for their political enemies. It is too easy to say. And has the uncomfortable effect of making Obama look small.

I just can’t shake the feeling that the Obama campaign is essentially tone-deaf in some weird way. How could they not know that delaying the announcement would grow tiresome?

26. NYCO - 23 August 2008

Unfortunately I think this extraordinarily blah and safe choice all but guarantees that Hillary’s speech is going to be the main event of the convention.

O, popcorn! Lots of popcorn. Fields of popcorn. Yellow popcorn. Red popcorn. Popcorn with feathers. Cream of popcorn. A tremendous amount of popcorn.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

upcoming protests in moderation/spam.

28. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

24. you wonder if O’BIDEN is going to become a negative catchphrase for their political enemies.

I like Joebama.

29. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

26. upcoming protests in moderation/spam.

Maybe they’re in Gitmo On The Platte

30. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

Or Verbose and Verboser.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

Some of them get it:

Still, many in the youth movement are riding on a different wave, and they do not want to be swallowed up by the one depicted in Obama’s campaign logo — especially following what they see as his betrayals of the movement’s values. Some of them are tired of being taken for granted, whether as young people or as people of color. “Because Obama’s running, they think, ‘We’ve got them, they’re coming out, they’re gonna support Obama no matter what,’ ” says Troy Nkrumah, a chair of the National Hip-Hop Political Convention in Las Vegas, which is convening this summer to forge a national agenda for the hip-hop generation. “Some of us aren’t so sure that it’s gonna make a difference.”

Likewise, young people like Adam Jung, a farm boy from Missouri who is helping to organize the DNC tent city with Tent State University, are questioning whether Obama and the Democrats are ever going to represent them: “The Democrats, they count on and expect our votes. We’re saying, ‘If you’re not representing me, I don’t have to vote for you. You need to start listening to the youth [and] the 65 percent of the people in this country who want the war to end.’ ”

Most determined of all are the anarchists and anti-authoritarians, as many of the youth activists describe themselves, including two of the most active groups preparing to crash the conventions: the RNC Welcoming Committee and the Unconventional Action network. Unconventional Denver organizer Clayton Dewey acknowledges that “the candidacy of Obama is a reflection of the public’s desire for something different.” But as an anarchist, he explains, “we believe that despite the rhetoric Obama uses, genuine change will always come from the bottom up, and that means countering the system as a whole.”

“An anti-authoritarian vibe is what’s going on,” says Carina Souflee, an activist with Anarchist People of Color and the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA) at the University of Texas-Austin, who was radicalized by the immigration protests and is planning to be in the streets at the RNC. “People have learned that a top-down approach to things doesn’t work.”

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

why not combine them

Jobama O’Biden.

33. NYCO - 23 August 2008

31. “with Joementum!”

34. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

31. 2 thumbs up.

35. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

All I know is that when Joe Biden flashes those pearly whites, my eyes burn.

36. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

I wonder if Joe still wants to partition Iraq, despite what the Iraqis want.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

Well, some people the Donks really care about Jobama O’Biden is a GREAT idea!

Obama spokesman Bill Burton sends around warm statements about the Biden VP pick from three GOP Senators

Hagen, Lugar and Specter. Bipartisan warmongers all agree … O’Biden is one of them!

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

ooops, Hagel.

39. baypraire - 23 August 2008

why not combine them

Jobama O’Biden.

anagram your combo:

Bad Aim Job One

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

oh, this is gonna be a LONG fall. Tweety, just now:

Joe Biden, as part of his growing up years, one of his summer jobs was working in an inner city, a black neighborhood, a tough neighborhood in Wilmington, and he’s the only white guy in the whole swimming pool, the whole summer long. And these are some tough customers. Isn’t that a piece of biography that is more important to a guy than whether he said the right word on some speech stump somewhere.

41. baypraire - 23 August 2008

thats funny. the only white guy in the swimming pool!!!! what an amazing cliche! and such an unintended glimpse into the americun mind.

thank god i don’t watch tv.

42. ms_xeno - 23 August 2008

I was just on another board where a liberal stalwart burbled about Biden’s “electability.”

Liberals, like conservatives, really don’t have much in the way of long-term memory, do they ? By long-term, I mean memory stretching back more than fifteen minutes. Oh, well. It must make life very peaceful for them.

43. baypraire - 23 August 2008

american political expertise

Do you really think Biden would NOT be a change from Bush/Cheney? Come on!

Biden may be an insider, but that is the point – it takes insider knowledge to change D.C.


Posted by: LooseFur | August 23, 2008 8:32 AM

44. baypraire - 23 August 2008

Liberals, like conservatives, really don’t have much in the way of long-term memory, do they ? By long-term, I mean memory stretching back more than fifteen minutes. Oh, well. It must make life very peaceful for them.

well that way everything seems new and fresh. even the same tired old crap.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

Wow, so Bob Schrum posts as “LooseFur”?!?!

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

I’m gonna turn this crap off and go see a movie.

47. ms_xeno - 23 August 2008

I love freshly-made candy, too, bayprairie. But these people seem to exist exclusively on sweets, which explains their utter toothlessness. On so many levels.

No wonder I prefer to divide my time between the Green Party Watch page and gardening.

48. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

well that way everything seems new and fresh. even the same tired old crap.

I agree. That’s why, with my bad (liberal) memory, I can watch the same movies over and over as if I’ve never seen them before. 😉

(And who wants to clog up their pretty little head with “old crap”? Not me, say I. Not me.)

49. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

But these people seem to exist exclusively on sweets, which explains their utter toothlessness.

I have my teeth – well, most of them anyway.

Are you dissin’ my cheesecake fetish, ms x? No xmas card for you!

50. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

Haha…Tweety just slipped and called him O’Biden.

51. baypraire - 23 August 2008

sugar teat is very bad for the teeth. not much of that in cheese cake. and that’s good news isn’t it?

52. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

51. Well, there were those chocolate chip cookies too…

53. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

I think it’s ironic that one of the pundits so-called progressives love to hate, David Brooks, was hoping it would be Biden. Is that the sound of Booman’s head exploding that I hear?

54. NYCO - 23 August 2008

41. I was just on another board where a liberal stalwart burbled about Biden’s “electability.”

Oh. I thought it was about Obama’s electability.

Well, I guess that liberal stalwart statement’s is.

55. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008


Afghanistan’s president has criticised US forces for “unilateral operations” in the west which, the government says, killed at least 70 civilians.

56. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

Top-of-the-ticket lovefest about to begin now. Tweety and Olbermann reporting for bloviation duty on MSNBC.

57. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

Oy – Obama winds up the Joe speech by introducing him as the next President of the United States!

58. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

56. lol…Freudian slip. Then Biden flubbed Obama’s name twice.

And the title of this movie is: Obama/Biden – The Reckoning

59. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

Did Biden just call him “Barack America”? hehehe

60. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

Sheesh. This much fluffery should be illegal.

61. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

A car v. bicycle accident just happened in front of my house. Cops and EMTs are trying to persuade the bicyclist to go to the hospital for some head stitches.

I’m reminded that things could almost always be worse.

(Damn glad that Webb didn’t get the nom, for example.)

62. CSTAR - 23 August 2008

This telenovela is too boring, even with the occasional sex scandal. Maybe I’ll read a summary, somewhere, in November when the plot runs out.

63. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

58 – I missed everything past the intro, what with the ruckus outside, but APAP confirms the Barack America trip.

64. marisacat - 23 August 2008

I slept thru most of Jobama O’Biden… and the Springfield extravaganza.

All I ask is that I not hear about Ashleigh and the mustard and relish sandwiches in the now certifiably overhyped Obama speech at Invesco field.


Madman post a ways up thread on who crashes the Dem convention is now out of moderation (sorry!)


65. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Yeah i suspect O’Biden will be a catch phrase, McC camp to Obama camp:

“Barack Obama sounded as though he turned over the top spot on the ticket today to his new mentor…The reality is that nothing has changed since Joe Biden first made his assessment that Barack Obama is not ready to lead.”

66. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Meet the Press: Caroline Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi

Fox News Sunday: Govs. Kaine, Ritter, Obama campaign advisor Gibbs

Face the Nation: Govs. Sebelius, Rendell, Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr.

Late Edition: Sen. Casey, Gov. Napolitano, Sen. Jack Reed, Rep. Clyburn, former Clinton chair McAuliffe

This Week: Axelrod, Giuliani. Roundtable with Halperin, Will, Brazile, Roberts

67. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Don’t worry Ramesh, in any way that really matters, he is still pro life (via The Corner).

My Take on the Biden Pick [Ramesh Ponnuru]


I remark in passing there that Biden used to be pro-life. I’m traveling now but somewhere in my files I have a copy of a 1982 letter the senator sent to a constituent bragging about voting for a constitutional amendment to reverse Roe.

I heard Biden several years ago on Hardball tell Tweety abortion rights were less important than clean air. The disdain on his face was clear.

I got it. The mindset that if one thing is elevated others musst wither and die for that other thing to live. Lots of stupid American easily buy into that crap. It seems to travel and wear well.

68. marisacat - 23 August 2008

Reading around, all I can say is the R have the meat tenderiser out. Pounding that flesh to thin filets.

69. cad - 23 August 2008


I like that Markos keeps true to himself. I would hate it if he became just some online arm of the Party Structure, required to jolly us all into compliance with the Party Line. I like when he pisses me off by saying things like “sanctimonious women’s studies set”. I like that Markos is not a politician or a card-carrying drone.

Independence is good. 🙂

by Loquatrix on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:30:04 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

yes yes .. i agree totally Loquatrix. (0+ / 0-)

me too. I like him for the same reasons… at the same time .. we all must speak our voices … especially .. when Kos says something different from how we personally believe … because his voice does carry so much weigh and we all honor him so.

Yes we can, for … we are one.

by abarefootboy on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:46:34 AM PDT

[ Parent ]
Amen! (0+ / 0-)

The last thing we need is to become like the Rove-drones.

by AdManAnt on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:03:04 PM PDT

70. diane - 23 August 2008

The Camelot album …..just before death in Dallas, and the magic bullet……..my siblings and I, we played it over and over…accidently bumped into the ‘turntable’ dancing about and brawling with sibling love to the point where it skipped repeatedly at that desperately drunken, handsome welshman singing …those are the legal laws…..those are the legal laws….those are the legal laws….those are the legal laws……….. …If ever I would leave you……it wouldn’t be in springtime…..…it could be in autumn …cause it’s a rather bleak fuckin season…..but then again…amazingly,….winter crocus’…are jus aroun the bend……not sure what to do now……likely, as it should be…..

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

So, did I miss anything? I hope that Jobama didn’t accidentally call O’Biden “boy” or anything.

Quick movie review … if you’re looking for a good twisty Hitchcockian thriller, go see “Tell No One”.

72. diane - 23 August 2008


73. liberalcatnip - 23 August 2008

I heard Candy Crowley say earlier that Joebama is the “poorest” senator – that his net worth is -$300,000. What’s up with that? Are train rides that expensive?

74. marisacat - 23 August 2008

well don’t know if you missed that Ob intro’d Biden as “the next presdient”.

And I just saw that in the plethora of NYT sloberification articles is one calling Biden “Obama’s Cheney”.


75. diane - 23 August 2008

listening to Nat King cole…………what a sweet comfort…….oh evergreen………………….

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008
77. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

The Audacity of Hype?

Pat Buchanan
It is absurd to argue that the nomination or an election of Barack Obama would be as important a historical event as the liberation of 3 million slaves after the bloodiest war in American history, that took 600,000 lives and set the South back a century. As for the civil rights movement, that completed the emancipation of people of color, and has dramatically affected American politics for a half-century. Barack Obama’s election would be about as significant to US history as Jackie Robinson’s appearance at second base was for the Brooklyn Dodgers. Yet that, according to liberals, was the most important event in the history of baseball. This whole exercise testifies to what Lenin called “an infantile disorder” of the American left. Give it a rest.

78. marisacat - 23 August 2008


we have a much better than average Jazz station here in SF, local, independent.. I left it on all day… it seemed very far away from JoeOb.

I am wondering if the R will do an ad of both Biden and Ob, they BOTH pull that classic Joker’s smile, from whathisname in the Batman movie… and they do it when caught… Ob really pulled it out a lot in interviews about and after his European crush tour…

Car salesmen, both of them.

79. diane - 23 August 2008

say I love you ….kiss…at least touch, those you love before the end of the day…because we are in some deep deep doo doo

80. diane - 23 August 2008

and so many kisses to you marisa, for making room in your the home of your heart, for us strays………………….

81. NYCO - 23 August 2008

Women voters aren’t enthused about Biden (yet), according to Rasmussen poll. Maybe Anita Hill isn’t such ancient history.

82. marisacat - 23 August 2008

well I remember Anita Hill like it was yesterday. And Jane Mayer has plenty of good interviews and shorter essays and reports drawn from her book that are online. In fact a very good one right at TAP, back when it functioned as a real political magazine.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

Feingold: Biden “good balance” for ticket

“I think it’s a good balance,” Feingold said in an interview today, referring to Biden’s longevity and foreign policy experience and Obama’s “fresh approach to politics.”

“I think Sen. Obama wants to make the American people confident that he will have around him people that will make sure he knows and has access to all the information (he needs). He’s trying to say, ‘This is symbolic of the kind of people who are going to govern with me.’ It’s probably the most important message for him, and I’ve felt that way for a long time,” said Feingold.

**shakes head**

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2008

The Convention Papers

You have to wonder what the New York City Police Department is trying to hide. The department says it has documents that explain and justify its mass arrests during the 2004 Republican convention. But, it won’t release them.

Last week, for the second time in a year, a federal judge ordered the department to release the documents. The city said it would appeal, thereby reinforcing the suspicion that it knows it trampled on freedoms of speech and assembly and simply won’t admit it.

More than 1,800 people were arrested during the convention, some of them guilty of nothing more than standing on a street or sidewalk during a police sweep. Many were detained for days. The department later said that its actions were based on intelligence gathered by a special unit of undercover officers who had infiltrated dozens of protest groups, including innocuous ad-hoc outfits like the comical Billionaires for Bush.

85. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

81 – I’m betting the lack of enthusiasm is more about recent Hill(ary) history. After all the poo flung at HRC (the first viable – as in, primary-winning – female candidate, whatever else her campaign signified), each turd (ok, the majority of turds) carefully labeled and targeted for her AUMF vote, her Washington Insiderism, her Big Biz Connections, her I/P Position, her Intolerably Aged Boomerism, or (a boyblogger favorite, everybody gasp on cue) her Insidious Racist Gaffes, along comes Washington White Guy Joe, of the Clean and Articulate Beltway Shit-Eating Grin.

There are bound to be women (especially working women) out there saying, WTF? So much for all those fatal flaws! So much for all those high-falutin’ objections! What’s Joe got that Hill don’t? Unh hunh.

FWIW, two of my family members were very fuzzy on Biden’s particulars, including his participation in Judiciary confirmations. One remembered he was present during Watergate. (The other was fairly pleased by the pick in hopes it would shut down the GOP’s not ready for prime-time angle of attack.)

This looks interesting – interview transcripts from Biden, Hill, and Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree on the (1991) Thomas proceedings: Revisiting the Thomas-Hill Hearings.

Blackhippychick remembers the hearings, too. And she’s ticked about O’s brother George, whose plight made it from Italian Vogue to CNN in the last day or two.

86. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

The city said it would appeal, thereby reinforcing the suspicion that it knows it trampled on freedoms of speech and assembly and simply won’t admit it.

Save us, technicalities! Save us from our shame!

87. marisacat - 23 August 2008


Gerri Ferraro is laughing pretty damned hard. Ob, and/or his white male handlers were always passive attendants on any perceived bit of racism (and there surely was some, no question!) in order to show that Ob was the Great Black Hope, trudging on in the face of an ungrateful white elite.

Not exactly a new, nor untruthful, story in America, but it did not apply to Ob.

88. marisacat - 23 August 2008


Also there is a school (re)named for Ob, back in Kenya (on land his grandfather originally donated for the school) that he promised to help when he was there in 05 (06?) and he has not… at all… AND his step grandmother could use some help. The village could. Even a little help would be a lot.

89. marisacat - 23 August 2008

nu thred……………………


……………….. 8) ………………

90. Intermittent Bystander - 23 August 2008

Clearly many of the commenters at blackhippychick’s post do remember Biden from Thomas/Hill, and found her blog while Googling for echoes in the Memory Hole.

And here’s The Caucus (NYT blog), from today: Biden and Anita Hill, Revisited (Kate Phillips).

For women of a certain age, perhaps, the memories are still vivid, and Senator Biden’s pivotal guidance and leadership on the Judiciary Committee remain a matter of controversy. The advent of the Internet and YouTube preserve and resurrect that era. Perhaps because of Mr. Biden’s failed presidential bid earlier in the cycle, there are several takes of his questioning of Mr. Thomas posted on YouTube. It’s a very interesting spot in time, captured on video. Several takes are now uploaded: One | Two | Three | Four.

“He was basically playing judge,” Susan Deller Ross, a Georgetown University law professor and expert in workplace sex discrimination said of Mr. Biden, adding “the other side was playing advocate” for Mr. Thomas. “I’m sure you remember nobody played advocate for her. I don’t think he did well and he bears responsibility for Mr. Thomas being on the court.”

Ms. Ross, who was one of the lawyers assisting Ms. Hill, asserts that Mr. Biden treated Mr. Thomas too even-handedly because of the racially charged nature of the hearings. (Remember Justice Thomas’ charge that he had been subjected to a “high-tech lynching.”) Ms. Ross said that Mr. Biden “was accused of being labeled racist, so the Republicans were blackmailing him and he pushed the levers to make the case look like there wasn’t a case when there was.”

From not permitting other witnesses like Angela Wright to testify who would have been favorable to Ms. Hill, to not permitting affidavits from an expert on whether a pattern of behavior needed to be established to prove sexual harassment, Ms. Ross concluded: “He did everything to make it be good for Thomas and to slant it against her.” (Mr. Biden and his staff at times indicated that Ms. Wright and others weren’t willing to testify, but the record and books written since appear contradictory, as these women were held waiting in the wings for days.)

Echo echo echo.

In the last few days, as we tried to reach out to people involved in the Thomas hearings, we kept hearing the same thing. Mr. Biden’s role in the Anita Hill-Clarence Thomas saga was so long ago as to not be relevant. It was a long time ago.

Funny how that phrase, though, “get over it” keeps coming back. It’s the one Mr. Obama used in a meeting with supporters of Senator Clinton about how women, once they really learned what Senator John McCain represented on their issues, would “get over it.”

Last year, when Mr. Thomas published his memoir, Anita Hill wrote an Op-Ed in The Times, basically saying well, she wasn’t over it. And in another interview this year, now on YouTube, she talks about the role of gender and politics in the 2008 cycle, although she never mentions Mr. Biden or her own role.

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