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Mascara 26 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate.


Ha! hahahahaha… it all sounds so familiar…No?

ABBIT TATTON, CNN INTERNET REPORTER: Wolf, this iReporter here captured a showdown between two Hillary Clinton supporters. The gentleman on the left identifies himself as a delegate now firmly for Barack Obama. The woman he’s speaking to identifies herself as an Independent voter who is not going to budge.

Take a listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It’s people like you is why Democrats keep losing elections.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it’s people like the Democratic Party.


As the pertinent people miss the point:

BLITZER: Robert, they’re really going after some of those disgruntled, angry Hillary Clinton voters. We see the McCain campaign even doing these ads, trying to woo them over. And they’re apparently pretty successful based on the polls.

How are you going to counter that?

ROBERT GIBBS, SR. ADVISER, OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Look, we’re going to talk to them about the issues that they care about. What brought them to this convention is the need to change the direction of this country, to get our economy back on track, to reduce our dependence on foreign oils, to make our schools better, to cut health care costs, and to renew our standing in the world. The people that supported Hillary Clinton here know that the only candidate that can do all those things is Barack Obama.

That’s it, Gibbs, shove out the drone again. It is so dead.


I caught a round table of Charlie Rose tonight... and the usual gibberish was delivered about the pressing issue of ”those damned bitches”….

they are children talk to them like I talk to my twins at home (MacMahon, a sack of skin that Howard brought to DC),

Tell them to GET OVER IT! (Al Hunt, Orgasmic extraordinaire, long time friend to Abner Mikva, FOO)

A lot of the hesitancies are code words for race, and I would know I come from the working class (Connie Shultz, columnist and wif of Sherrod Brown)

incomprehensible mishmash, she was not digestible at all, in anyway and is impossible to quote (Michelle Norris, NPR) and then

Matthew Dowd got irritated. He said it is the JOB of Obama to bring the voters along. He and only he can bring them thru. Get to it.

Only one person got it. The fucking candidate needs to stand up and be responsible. The other thing Dowd said was that the most important critical issue, the economy, and neither candidate was addressing it. That the first that gets to it. will be “a leg up”.

It is so basic.

Oh the mueling and the bitching if Golden Boy loses. Meanwhile he meanders thru these odd little composed groups of 30, 40, 50, 60 schlubs that he does a little stick dance in front of..

This is so not working.


Another laugh… a caller into KGO says of Hillary’s expected speech for tomorrow (one of the topics for the hour) that “She’d better man up”

laugh laugh laugh…



1. marisacat - 26 August 2008

LOL antoher caller calls them “pillary holdouts”… and how can they “miss the love that Michelle talked about, the respect and love for her husband”.

We always get handed the marriage whne there is little else. Can I leave again?

One thing, the women got it, some did. They are not wanted and deep down, no matter who they vote for, they are DISLIKED.

This has been very interesting to watch.

2. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Arkansas has OK’d (on Monday), by affirmed signatures, a ballot measure to appear on the Nov ballot. It will seek to ban gays from adopting or fostering children. Ark of course has no gay marriage nor does it have Civil Unions.

Oh I wish I had a dollar for every idiot who said ballot measures against gays would not interfere wtih ’08. And this year, despite assurances from other idiots, those measures will indeed get votes from “church” blacks and “law and order” blacks, out voting for Ob.

Oh joy!

I had just read that Ob has nto a single office open in ARK… as opposed to 31 in MO and a high, similar number in KS. [$$$$]



oh and jusst now a caller saying, she better make that speech with “no sweat on her lip”.

So glad I am gone.

3. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Mrs. Obama says,

And as I tuck that little girl and her little sister into bed at night, I think about how one day, they’ll have families of their own. And one day, they — and your sons and daughters — will tell their own children about what we did together in this election.

What if they don’t have families of their own? Oh, I forgot — of course they will. If they don’t, they can’t be real women.

Since it’s out of fashion to say, “Oh, sister,” I’ll just say: oh, brother.

4. NYCO - 26 August 2008

PS to 3. The above comment should in no way be construed to mean that I actually give a shit about any of this. Life goes on.

5. aemd - 26 August 2008

“One thing, the women got it, some did. They are not wanted and deep down, NO MATTER WHO THEY VOTE FOR, they are DISLIKED.”

Oh yes, BINGO. The contempt just drips off their lips for women who won’t sit down, like a good girls, and STFU. It would be more surprising if there hadn’t been a build up of this attitude, online, over the last 5 to 6 years. Women, already, are being setup as the fall guy if Joebama loses. Women, the “Nader voters” of the 2008 cycle. LOL. No really, look close, you can see it coming.

Funny how that “GET OVER IT” crap was used by the GOP towards Democrats during the 2000 and 2004 cycle. Hmmm, is the Joebama team really that tone deaf or is this a preview of the Joebama reign?

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

The TSA, keeping America safe from exploding tits:

For Kates, on Sunday, though, the security check got too invasive. A big-busted woman wearing a large underwire bra, she set off the metal detector. She was pulled aside and checked by a female TSA agent with a metal-sensitive wand.

“The woman touched my breast. I said, ‘You can’t do that,’ ” Kates said. “She said, ‘We have to pat you down.’ I said, ‘You can’t treat me as a criminal for wearing a bra.’ ”

Kates asked to see a supervisor and then the supervisor’s supervisor. He told her that underwire bras were the leading item that set off the metal detectors, Kates said.

If that’s the case, Kates said, the equipment must be overly sensitive. And if the TSA is engaging in extra brassiere scrutiny, then other women are suffering similar humiliation, Kates thought.

The Constitution bars unreasonable searches and seizures, Kates reminded the TSA supervisor, and scrutinizing a woman’s brassiere is surely unreasonable, she said.

The supervisor told her she had the choice of submitting to a pat-down in a private room or not flying. Kates offered a third alternative, to take off her bra and try again, which the TSA accepted.

“They tried to humiliate me and I was not going to be humiliated over this,” Kates said. “If I was carrying nail clippers and forgot about them, I wouldn’t have gotten so upset. But here I was just wearing my underwear.”

So she went to the rest room, then through the security line a second time. Walking through the airport braless can be embarrassing for a large-chested woman, not to mention uncomfortable. The metal detector didn’t beep on the second time through, but then officials decided to go through Kates’ carry-on luggage, she said.

The whole undertaking took 40 minutes, Kates said, and caused her to miss her flight. JetBlue put her on another one, but she was four hours late getting to Boston.

“It’s actually a little funny in a way, but a sad, sad commentary on the state of our country,” Kates said. “This is bigger than just me. There are 150 million women in America, and this could happen to any of them.”

7. marisacat - 26 August 2008

she’s petty basic, even when she was issuing marching orders (up until about March), her refrain was always, I am a mother.

8. marisacat - 26 August 2008


yup supposed to shake in your Democratic Mary Janes… whcih are polished and know nothing of Nader. .

9. marisacat - 26 August 2008

I felt for underwire bra… I don’t have that problem but I did always set off the detectors. And now it would be a real mess.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

the whole country and the way it is run is a real mess. that mess last night is just another symptom.

Off to work … Bob Schrum just showed up on Morning Joe, which is ample reason to walk out the door a couple of minutes early.

11. NYCO - 26 August 2008

When I think about the 19th century in this country and how every sort of woman — mother/wife, virgin or whore — had a place at the common table of women’s discussion, and all had as close to equal respect toward one another, because it was decided that then-current social demands were going to be shown the door so that women (purposeful and refreshingly free of man-hatred) could speak freely.. well, we are very far from that moment. And it’s true that that moment didn’t last long; even the friendships at the core of the American women’s movement (Stanton and Anthony the leading one) broke up. I suppose this is a roundabout way of saying “women are their own worst enemies.”

It seems to me that at various points in history, society (or women themselves?) only have room for two of the three faces of women. One or two roles are elevated and sanctified, while there’s always one that is denigrated and held up for ridicule or at least devaluation. Believe it or not, wife/motherhood was at one point in Western history (I’m thinking Greece and Rome) not particularly given pride of place; back then it was a great time to be a virgin, though, or even a whore (and using the word “whore” I am using the old derogatory term for a woman who actively exercises her sexuality). Then in the Middle Ages, whores started to fall out of fashion and wife/motherhood started to gain more vocational respect, possibly due to the influence of Christianity in the Western world; and of course, in the Middle Ages, being a virgin was still a very powerful and even influential vocation though not quite as powerful as in, say, ancient Rome (Vestal Virgins had it made).

Now we’re at a completely different point where I think both wife/motherhood and whoredom (again, excuse me for using that inaccurate word – although some find joy in it) are accepted vocations that confer some degree of power or at least celebration in “the world,” while I think today virgins are S.O.L.: they’re either proclaimed to be frustrated would-be wives, prudes who are afraid of penises, or closet lesbians or something. Virginity is not a vocation these days (it’s mainly touted as a way not to “damage the goods” before Holy Matrimony — see: wife/motherhood).

Of course, every woman has got all these states of being in her — it’s the “what’s the proper vocation?” thing that seems to be an artifact of male-dominated society. It would just be nice if we could have that 19th-century moment back where for once, there were no assumptions about what little girls would grow up to do with their lives.

12. marisacat - 26 August 2008

and right on cue, I hear Jimmie talking about how her family and family valies is what the nation needs.

Let me run to the edge of town screaming!!

13. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

And one day, they — and your sons and daughters — will tell their own children about what we did together in this election.

I laughed when I heard that, thinking: who the fuck tells their children bedtime stories about elections?

Robert Gibbs:…”to reduce our dependence on foreign oils“,


They’re addressing “the economy”. They’re talking about John McCain’s houses. 🙂

As for Hillary haters, Olbermann absolutely drips with contempt when he talks about her. He keeps making it sound like she’s going to turn into Carrie at the convention. Keep an ear out for the scary movie music.

14. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

Well, I’ve said it before, vis-a-vis trying to get people to respect you as a feminist “deserter” of the Big Blue Marble:

Welcome to my world, PUMAs. Remember the good old days when you were wagging your finger at me just like they’re now wagging their finger at you ? [grin] Hey, there’s actually an all-female ticket running right now. Give it a look.

But regardless of whether you pick McCain, McKinney, The Evil One, Prairie Dawn or NOTA, congratulations on finally demonstrating that you have what every self-respecting human being should have: A breaking point. Nothing ever changes for the better until we’re willing to have that point and then publicly act on it.

15. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

LOL. NYCO, you should be on another board I kibitz. There’s this twenty-something prick who trumpets to everyone for miles about how much he loves the suffragists and hates the right wing and pro-lifers and blah blah blah. Then he viciously insults any woman who disagrees with him about anything at all, hurling the worst insult he can think of: OLD.

Just another prattling, self-important misogynist in the making. King of the Feminists. Soon to jettison his superficial version of feminism when he decides that it’s not getting him enough tail and enough gratitude by his decreed number of hot young things. He’ll go far.

16. JJB - 26 August 2008

Well, this should keep Condi’s last months in office as lively as possible:

Russia on Tuesday formally recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two enclaves in Georgia whose separatist aspirations stirred the fierce conflict this month.

The step, which goes beyond Russia’s military operation and is intended to consolidate its military success into permanent political gains, is viewed as highly provocative in the West, which has insisted on the preservation of Georgia’s territorial integrity.

It drew immediate condemnation from the United States and its allies.

Acting a day after Russia’s Parliament unanimously supported the enclaves’ request to secede, President Dmitri A. Medvedev announced that he had signed decrees recognizing the two territories’ independence. He blamed the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, for causing the bloodshed and forcing Moscow’s hand.

He said it was clear that the warring sides could never again live together, and South Ossetia and Abkhazia had to be independent.

“This is not an easy choice, but it is the only way to save the lives of people,” Mr. Medvedev said in a nationally televised address.

Actually, it drew “condemnation” from Sarkozy and Merkel, while Condit merely called it “regrettable.”

That photo of Medvedev, incidentally, is the first one I’d seen of him. Appearance-wise, he’s quite the Ken Doll, with about as much authority.

17. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

Heh. Speaking of The Evil One:

Nader Likely On The Ballot In 45 States:A better showing than he made in 2000.

So much for the pitiful bleatings of the Hairless Weasels about how only their Right Wing plastic saints, like Ron Paul, have what it takes to reach the great unwashed. :p

18. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

I had to laugh yesterday when I heard “coverage of the Democratic convention is brought to you by AT&T” on CNN. Of course it is. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you (or lets you get away with illegal spying).

19. marisacat - 26 August 2008

I am hearing that the women really really got the misogyny. One that called into KGO last night, her first election she became involved in over months… and it was the national, beyond Hillary, hatred that got her going. The organisation she belongs to (and is in Denver) is called Rise Hillary Rise.

They will be interesting to watch.

20. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Thanks for the summer tune in the last thread, ms_x! Works for lunchtime music, too.

(And thanks James!)

21. marisacat - 26 August 2008

The head of PUMAPac is on with Ronn Owen, Darraigh Murphy (sp is off on first name, Celtic spelling is used I think) and she is blowing Ronn out of the water, for staying calm.

He just cannot get it that they are willing to withhold their vote… LOL

Very entertaining.

22. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

A belated Happy bday, IB! Cheesecake!

23. marisacat - 26 August 2008


AT&T gave a big party, no press, for the senators who voted for FISA…

step right up Sen ObamamRamamamamam,

24. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Thanks catnip!

(Now I’m really stuffed!)

25. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Michelle looked like she was trying out for Annie.

(Breathless, childlike voice) “And in my own life… (dramatic pause) … in my own life…”

And Michelle explained that life to me, in her daisy sweet style (“See? See! See…”) whereupon I learned something I honestly, shamefully, admit I never realized before. She spoke of how we, as Americans, do everything we do (choose our jobs, raise our kids, season our salads) out of a deep and undying patriotic consciousness of this great country and desire to improve it – this national pride is ALWAYS on our minds and behind everything we do (for her, anyway, and Barack, of course).

Such an admirable, selfless AmeriCAN, she is! He is!


I. did. not. know. this. was. U.S.

I. was. so. lacking, see?

I was blind, but now I…

Si, si, si! Si se puede!

Yes, we AmeriCAN!

26. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Nancy gave an absolutely pitiful, pathetic answer (amidst a ton of selling points, wholly unrelated to question, 5 minutes of dizzying whirling dervish spin) about why she/Dems didnt do impeachment. This was in Politico/Yahoo joint venture interview on Cspan just before.

Really insulting.

The questioner (female journalist, name?) actually included the relevant, obviously illegal, wrong things done, e.g., torture, lying country to war, etc., in her question.

Nancy blathered on about her stellar performance on war vote (as member of Gang of 4, she saw ALL the intel, and knew it wasnt justified, said so… and yet… why did so many of her wondrous Dems not listen, eh?), pulled the Henry Waxman attack bunny out of her hat (Woe to those who cross the legal line, he has been sooooo killer!), blamed the Senate for squashing House leg for defunding/timelines, blamed the president and Rethugs for blocking, voting down, vetoing (Bush and Bushies wont let us impeach!… is the pathetic, implied message there.)

Getting to THE QUESTION, somewhere inside this mudslide, there was the “so many pressing things to do for the American people, impeachment had to go by the wayside”(min wage upping, 9/11 recs, college relief). But she truly took the prize when she said you cant impeach on “policy disagreements.”

Policy diagreements!

I promptly closed the windows and turned on the gas.

27. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Ronn Owen has on Boxer to refute Murphy of PUMAPac…. She pulls out all the old accusations. “It’s not abuot YOU!”

Right, because it is all about the Boxers and Pelosis and so on.

28. NYCee - 26 August 2008

The thing that bugs me about PUMAs is that they say (the ones Ive heard who say they will vote for McCain), that McCain is good enough to get their vote. He is experienced. Obama is not. McCain is not fine, and his experience means shite, given what his record. Why not just say they are voting out of anger over the way Hillary was treated (as The Woman or A Woman, whatever)? Why not say they are voting McCain to teach the Dems a lesson, horrible as he is?

Perhaps that is considered the ultimate knife thrust to the party — to sell an R like McCain as no different than the Dems. But they dont say they want a more liberal agenda than the Dems have on tap.

29. NYCee - 26 August 2008

It occurs to me that there may well be quite a few more Hillary hold outs who will not vote for Obama than are noted. Besides those polled, there are probably quite a few who the media quote as having said, oh yes, I’m on board for Obama now… because they know they would get slammed and kicked out in the cold for saying otherwise.

30. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Murphy said it is about teaching a lesson… and NOT being there for the DP and the DNC after antoher election that has failed, they say, the voter. I did nto get the impression that they are monolith for McCain, it seems across the board. But I certainly don’t claim to know other than I what I have heard and managed to catch on media.

She blew Owens out of the water because she stayed calm and the underlying slur is that they are menopausal loons.

Sure some are, what else is new. So are the wimmen senators who signed a letter of support for Casey.

The big joke is that the DP delviers so little to the people…who cares who the PUMAs vote for, to be frank. Voting FOR the Dems is IMO meaningless.

31. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Well, they are idiots, too, a lot of PUMAs, imo. What/who is it they care for? So batting back their ill-defined bitter bomblets, is fine with me. What is the (significant) point? Let them all wrassle in the mud…

32. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Why bother to be some party line Democrat when you are getting hit? Just mutter soemthing and keep moving.

I found the numbers in the USAToday poll yesterday to be STUNNING. They were rising over the past month.

All of this to me indicates that the party’s message is thin. And poor Dean, one fo the fuck ups of the century.

33. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

Thing is, NYCee, when older White males feel they are not being sufficiently catered to and walk, as in “Reagan Democrats,” (the exodus of registered Dems to Bush in ’00 is of course downplayed so The Evil One can continue to serve as a ceremonial devise to flagellate Lefties with) and the like, the Party Bigwigs can’t do enough for them.

When older White females feel they are not being sufficiently catered to and walk, it’s a whole ‘nother story, isn’t it ?

Male anger is respected and deferred to. Female anger is denigrated, mocked, and dismissed.

Myself, I doubt most of them will really vote McCain. The habit of obedience and the endless cycles of guilt-mongering and fear have always served the DP well before at the last minute. So why not this time ?

But I think it would be a scream if those alleged angry legions of hormone-addled harpies really did deliver such a pronounced “Fuck You” to O’Biden and their crew.

34. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Well I see them as reaching a point I am at, for some years now. They got there in a different way, for different reasons (I could never be FOR Hillary) but the bottom lime, the party does not respect its voters nor do they respect people.

To me they stand for notnhing.. and as one of the other groups says (The New Agenda), the old line frminist orgs are too close to the party and have FAILED

I see all of this as movement. Change one migth say.LOL, there was always a risk that Ob and the DP got change they did not want. And certainly OWNING THEIR VOTE.

And not offering it up as some expected shred of nothing,

35. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

IB, glad you liked the tunes. Sorry I can’t Photoshop collage the cake-over for ya’. Someday, maybe.

Actually I’m loving the collages I’ve been doing lately, but getting them online is a hard road until I can figure out how to afford a new laptop and all the goodies that go with it– which given current finances is likely to not happen until I’m eligible for whatever warmed-over fragments of Soc. Sec. remain available. :/ A friend has a friend who might actually be able to jerry-rig the old one (which right now serves as nothing more than an ugly bookend) for cheap. I offered to collage every wall of every room in repair-person’s house if he’d do it. Walk his dogs, deliver his lunch for six months every day… Anything.

36. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Bonehead. I made a bunch of mistakes about the AP, deleted my diary, and now it’s all their fault I might be in “danger”.

37. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Well clearly, there is no debate, Ob and the DP need every voter out there. If he does not lose (and a weak non-confrontational convention AGAIN is looking to be what is on order and that will shed base) he will sqeak in. barely. I have read the R are expecting to win the popular and for Ob to get the EV (the reverse). And my guess is they are really to roll with McCain v Ob.

And the party and Ob are being cavalier.

Good luck to someone. I am lauhging all the way to election day. A round of champagn and hors d’oeuvres as a plan comes togetehr.

mayhem, maybe, with a little luck.

Canntot say the party does not deserve it. They INVESTED in abstinence and they cut birth control funds. EXPANSION of Faith Based Initiatives is iwhtout question coming under Ob.. IMPOSSIBLE.

So core so basic and they go with yet another dullard candidate, gutted of whatever little was there, ever. AND:. A real shit imo. And I have particularly noted that Michelle is not on record publicly on abortion. I sure did note that.

Fuck them if they cannot take a joke.

38. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Oh my Dog.


And that’s an update to a diary about Obama wanting to punish the media. Mon dieu. Drama Queens ‘R Us.

39. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

It’s all theatre. “Change”. Yeah, right. Seriously. So many people fooled again.

40. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Or, I should say, “willingly” fooled. That’s what you get when your head’s so far up the Dem party’s ass that you might as well be doing a colonoscopy to bide your time.

41. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

Hey, we have the best healthcare system in the WORLD, you Canuckistan loooooser !! We are blessed to have the opportunity to perform our own medical procedures on ourselves when otherwise they wouldn’t be affordable.

You just don’t have a fucking clue, do you ?

42. marisacat - 26 August 2008


It is now

Change We Need.

Got that?

43. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

So change is a like a nickel bag for us to stagger after the leadership and beg for ? Please… just a little bit of change… just to get me through to tomorrow… just for now… I swear I’ll pay you back next Tuesday… PLEASE… ???


44. NYCO - 26 August 2008

whoa, what’s all this about massive computer glitches fucking up the airlines this afternoon?

45. marisacat - 26 August 2008

I had not heard about the airline computer glitches… but very interesting. Will catch the news update at 1 pm, thanks..

46. marisacat - 26 August 2008


that is what this sounds like.

Just a little more massa… we’ll be good, give us a little

47. marisacat - 26 August 2008

All I can say to this is, oh puhleeez..

Delaware Sen. Joe Biden made his first campaign appearance as Democratic vice presidential nominee Tuesday, popping in on Michelle Obama and three female governors for a chat about economic issues in downtown Denver.

The roundtable focused on economic problems facing women and featured several citizens who are struggling to maintain their households. The policy wasn’t new but it was rebranded, in this case, “The Obama-Biden Blueprint For America’s Working Women and Families.” Michelle Obama mangled the title slightly, calling it the “Obiden” policy and quickly adding: “I gotta get these names right.”

Mrs. Obama cast Biden, who spent five years as a single dad following the tragic death of his first wife, as particularly keen on issues facing women. Biden was self-deprecating: “Listen to these women,” he said, “not me.”

48. NYCee - 26 August 2008

But, ms_xeno, I did not respect male white defection to Rs, nor did I respect female white defection (over gays, abortion, civil rights for blacks?). It wasnt just angry men who defected, there were angry women, too, though less in number. So when you say “they are respected” (the men, not the women) as justification for this largely female defection (and over what, a queen’s coronation not remaining on a glide path?), what is the point to me? Not much.

These particular PUMAtics were happy to claim themselves as proud Democrats, party hardy, until Hillary lost (in caucuses they knew were there to win or lose). They dont care about issues you care about that the Dems fuck up on, they care about some human being, happens to be a woman, who got to stand in for First Woman President! brass ring finally caught, or her win satisfied their desire to see This Particular Woman as queen for a day (of 8 years). And “they” (insider party planners and media enablers) do, in fact, coddle the defecting females too – gotta woo those security moms, etc. And that is horrible, what they do to woo them, so no thanks, I dont care what gender gets coddled over crap issue agendas or snarls and snags in their particular dream cloths, warped as the fabric may be. Because a few media idiots deride older women isnt enough to throw me to McCain or applaud those who go there. Call them out, boycott them, elucidate what they did, whether it’s race card shenanigans or anti-female.

But what movement do these women stand for? When the actual issues get separated out from Hillary The One, or Some Woman, fuck the issues, as The One, and show some long term legs, then we’ll see what’s there… So far, this “movement” sure as hell doesnt move me.

49. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

Another interesting point: If there were (crazy idea, I know) hordes of disaffected older women openly planning to vote NOT McCain, but McKinney, would the mainstream media bother to tell us ?

Count me in the 27%, and the Pandagon dictum reminds me of all of the other sacrifices women are told we’re supposed to make, giving up our own interests for the ‘greater good,’ or settling for something that ‘could be worse.’ Give me a break. After watching Obama boys and girls pull their sexist daggers on Clinton, and defend Edwards–don’t get me started–I was still holding out VP hope so I could comfortably cast my vote against McCain. All I’ve learned is that the patriarchy is so entrenched that not even the election process, such as it is, will improve matters. So I’m voting Cynthia McKinney, because I’m a racist sexist fuckwit like that. Or maybe it’s because I have one of those PhDs, which is always “a problem.”

This thread, Angelica, #94.

I mean, maybe I’m cynical and all, but the media and their blogger wannabees have this very noticeable habit of disappearing outsider candidates unless they’re hunky macho White males with lots and lots of money. So….

50. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Well I don’t stand for any movement. Merely a dissafected voter… who got it that my vote counted for utter shit and the party delivered nothing and held basic rights over my head. A threat of punishment if I do not vote in accordance with getting a woman in Africa rights (which she will not be getting under Ob, too much will stay the same) ior that if I vote “wrong” then the wars and loss of abortion rights is on my head (what Boxer said today following Murphy on with Ronn Owen, in fact she said Murphy would have “blood on her hands” so there fore it must be on mine).

That is not how it works. Where are the Dems on the moves from HHS?? (in the news since leaked in June) I doubt they will fight it. EO from Bush and they will do what?

Wehre are they on the war? Nowehrer…

Why should I be left with that as a so called Democratic party?

Why do women in a modern DP have to be liberal? The party is not? Is it? I don’t see that it is. They are Bush lite. Reagan Lite. Arnold enabling. What is liberal? Why would anyone liberal be left in that party?

As I said, they are getting there another way, but they are getting that they are not wnated nor respected within the party. Unless they do just as told.

51. marisacat - 26 August 2008

These particular PUMAtics were happy to claim themselves as proud Democrats, party hardy

I don’t think we know this. Almost 50% from what I have read of delegates to Denver are first timers.

I realise the hoopla is that Ob is gthe big draw for new voters, but not exclusive to him.

52. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Sounds like equipment in Atlanta and SLC went down today, in the FAA

53. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

NYCE #48:

…It wasn’t just angry men who defected, there were angry women, too, though less in number…

My own feeling is that those female defectors were regarded as riding along silently and/or humbly on the coattails of their men. They were not denigrated as women because their issues were interchangeable with the issues their perceived owners had: Guns, a strong defense, stringent welfare rules, etc. (See that happily-forgotten, insulting babble about “Security Moms” from a few cycles ago;Just another way of saying the same thing.)

I agree entirely that Clinton II’s loss is a piss-poor reason to have a dark night of the soul after years of presumably grudging-but-polite knuckling under. But something in me wants to see if that piss-poor reason ends up being a trigger for a real transformation of the way these women think– some of them, at least. Sometimes when one tenet crumbles, it turns out to be a linchpin and others irrevocably follow. Stranger things have happened.

54. NYCee - 26 August 2008

I thought it was rich when Michelle hammered out the morals you get with hubby. One was something along the lines of you do what you say you will/your word is your bond… Right, like with FISA? Public funding? Drilling? Etc. But when he does it, it is morphed from dishonest to superbly “practical.”

When he was smaller potatoes (Il state senate) he led Palestinian activists on, like Ali Abunimah, who described how he ran into Obama at some event during his Senate run, after he, apparently, had met with him in times past and gotten some sympathetic words on the Palestinian plight. Barack said that he sure was sorry he’d been awol lately, but man, it wasnt a matter of will, just time, so busy running for Senate and all that he couldnt work Palestinian issues into his schedule, but hang in there, he’d get back to him… Then, when he got to the Senate, then on the road to the WH, he’s telling Palestinians they will concede to Israeli demands, or they get zilch. No different with an Obama admin than McCain (who is with Lieberman on Israel).

That, too, is practical.

I dont know how much more practicality we can survive.

55. NYCee - 26 August 2008

I have noticed, on the rare occasion when the mainstream media and electoral mavens, brought out to discuss our process, get on the path of “others” in this election (not D or R), they say Nader, Barr. I have not heard them mention McKinney. Green Party. With all the talk about historic black first, historic female first, for months re Hill/Obama, here she is, a twofer on both those scores, yet no mention at all.

56. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Oh shake in your booties… Ob counsel sent second “sharper” letter to the DOJ about the Ayers ad.

The only effective countermeasure is a rough rough attack on McC. I don’t think we will be seeing that, nor an effecitve hard hitting convention.

have a marshmallow. pick a squished one from the bottom of the bag. that would be appropriare.

57. marisacat - 26 August 2008


she’s another LIAR.

58. marisacat - 26 August 2008

From Begala:

[B]ut I have a seven-point plan for uniting the Obama and Clinton wings of the party:

Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack.


The way to unite and internally divided organization is to identify an external threat. The Obama delegates will be buying beers for the Clinton delegates once they’re focused on how disastrous a third term for Bush-McCain would be. But no one is telling them.

If the Democrats do not spend the remaining days of their convention — hell, the remaining days of the campaign — in an all-out assault on the ruinous Bush-McCain policies, they will lose. //snip//

59. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Who picked the opening song for tonight’s session?

Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
Ill be watching you

Every single day
Every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
Ill be watching you

Oh, cant you see
You belong to me
How my poor heart aches
With every step you take

Every move you make
Every vow you break
Every smile you fake
Every claim you stake
Ill be watching you…

I guess that’s their ode to Hillary and her supporters…

60. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008


Huh ? [confused]

61. marisacat - 26 August 2008


well it is in danger of being too much like the DNConvention in 04. No contrast, no attack on the opposition.

All I do is watch… they can be as lame as they wish to be.

62. marisacat - 26 August 2008

LOL George Miller says unity will be achieved (with dissafected Hillary voters) because there is no way they can vote for McC.


“This young man is the best opportunity we have had in my 34 years to change the way we do business in Washington”.

That is George Miller who assisted Kennedy in colluding with GWB on NCLB.

Go George. Go somewehre.

63. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Kucinich is just going to town.
Finally someone gets that crowd going.

64. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

41. You just don’t have a fucking clue, do you ?

No cheesecake for you!!

65. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

I missed Seabiscuit. It’s been nonstop Dem Ladies since I got home.

Song now is Sisters Are Doing It for Themselves.

(I agree with whomever said the DJ appears to be hell-bent on sabotage . . . .)

66. wilfred - 26 August 2008

I saw that and noticed somehow DiFi was a no-show for the sisterhood revival.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Saving her for prime-time maybe?

68. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Rule #1: You don’t change slogans in the middle of the Apocalypse.

(I suppose everybody will have to buy new t-shirts now.)

69. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

64. I missed Seabiscuit.

I caught the end of Seabiscuit. He was “up!” with everything but he lost me at “up with the Democratic Party!” Up yours, maybe.

70. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Why would anyone liberal be left in that party?


Well, not that they’re in the party for the bingo. Do they even play bingo? I don’t know…

71. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Here is Kucinich’s “Wake Up America” speech. He really took a cattle prod to that audience….. Red Meat City.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

She blew Owens out of the water because she stayed calm and the underlying slur is that they are menopausal loons.

that’s the line that Dalia Lithwick has been pushing on Slate and NPR.

73. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

As much as I find listening to these blowhard pundits insufferable, Chuck Todd just noted something interesting: the 10% or so Hillary women who don’t (really) want to vote for Obama are in the 35-49 age group on average. So it’s not the “old” women people have been so harsh about. As Todd said, these are women of Obama’s generation.

(according to some WSJ/NBC poll)

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

58 – when I worked in music stores I used to laugh and laugh that people used that song for their WEDDINGS. Creepy song about stalking …

75. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Thanks for the Seabiscuit rabble-rouser. The upending (of the tables, as it were) was great, but I agree with catnip that the “up! ending” lacked conviction.

Did I hear some murmurings about a particularly determined Lone Star State contingent fixing to flip the yewknitty table no matter what their candidate (Hillary) sez about it?

(I caught the tail end of an interview with somebody or other on MSNBC after the AFL-CIO guy drove me off of CSPAN.)

76. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Maybe it was just persuasion that suddenly went missing at the end.

77. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Boy, so many bad speakers tonight (and i’m not referring to the regular folk, only the politicos).

Sebelius is dreadful. She must have been a ringer because there is no way she could have ever debated anyone on a national level.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Huge – as in the largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history – at a Mississippi transformer plant today, AP is reporting. 600 workers detained and the whole town in uproar.

79. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

If this is supposed to be such an historic day for US women, why are all of these men speaking at the convention tonite?

80. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Did someone call for Dianne Feinstein???

She broke her ankle a few days ago… and her doctor said no travel. She had planned to lead the entire CA delegation.

{[I am hoping this is a bad break and – at 78 or whatever – she decides not to run for governor]

81. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

And creepy Bob Casey of all people. Sheesh.

82. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

What? They don’t have wheelchairs in CA? It’s just a broken ankle.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

77 – I’d read rumors that something was coming down there.

84. NYCO - 26 August 2008

I’m just feeling waves of history washing over me tonight. This is SO the beginning of the end of the Democratic Party. Never mind Obama or Clinton or whatever figurehead is involved in what. The eggshell is cracking in too many places. The cats (or pumas, I suppose) will not be herded. Even if Obama wins, this party cannot be saved.

And it was a long time coming.

85. marisacat - 26 August 2008


Aside fromt he fact she was always a token, I fiigured no way she’d be sleected for VP, so so so bad on the stump.



The raids are the worst. I just don’t think a business (even tho some are complicit) or district or town recovers. And the families are held – at large, unable to leave, work, seek welfare etc. What a mess.

Here is Ledbetter.

86. NYCO - 26 August 2008

79. My sister broke her ankle a couple weeks ago. Depending on how bad a break, I suppose someone might be asked not to travel. My sister’s had to lay with her leg elevated for days because of possible swelling. Breaking your ankle is nasty business.

87. marisacat - 26 August 2008


I agree.. however it has come about, however it ahppened… this is the beginning of the slow slow end.

88. NYCO - 26 August 2008

The ICE pigs have set up shop in Rochester, N.Y., at Thruway rest stops and routinely raid Greyhound buses, looking for the migrant workers on whom upstate NY fruit farms depend.

89. marisacat - 26 August 2008



AND tho they usually do nto photograph it, DiFi already uses a cane from time to time.

90. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Yeah Ledbetter!

91. NYCee - 26 August 2008


What? Whose opener is that? You cant possibly mean…. HER?

92. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Lol, Marisa, I misread your “cane” as “crane” – had a fleeting image of DiFi being crane lifted into the convention.

She is such the wobbleheaded wonder of the DP.

93. NYCO - 26 August 2008

90. It was the song being performed as the kickoff musical accompaniment at the start of today’s convention session, at around 5 EST.

94. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Plus if she broke her ankle, Feinstein is probably still on some serious painkillers, which might make her start babbling.

95. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Marisa, #50, etc…

Well, as I’m sure you know, my thing is you have every right to be where you are re your feelings about the party. You vote (or don’t vote) your conscience/consciousness.

I’ll watch where this PUMA phenom goes. And, as far as the election goes, as I said, I do think there is a sizable chunk who will either vote McCain or not vote/vote for others — including those who dont speak the truth when asked. Probably right there in that convention. Extrapolate out.

Women do, of course, get the shaft on the political ladder, so the strong support for A Woman (who is Hillary) is understandable — a long wait, now probably much longer. I found myself (surprisingly!) defending her against the over the media’s over the top Obamadoration, at times, how they petted him so shamelessly, when he was doing so little to earn it. And many gave her a tougher time than was fair. So there is a certain satisfaction to be had from the Obama refusniks dug-in combativeness, which I get and even feel, sometimes, on a gut level. I may even take satisfaction tonight in seeing her supporters upstage the ObamaLuvFest, if it happens. But it’s a gut thing.

This, oddly, reminds me of how I respond around the death penalty. I am totally against it, no exceptions. That is how my head does and would rule each and every time. However, that doesn’t keep me from acknowledging how my gut feels, on occasion, and allowing it to have its say, its vent, as in, he deserves to get what he gave – death, suffering, cruelty! At that moment, vengeance is sweet. But while the gut can have its say, it cant carry the day because the head knows better.

Same with Hillary supporters – I can, and do, on occasion, let my gut take satisfaction in the cut down of Obama (especially since he has been so overhyped and underperforming), without buying into her at all, or forgetting how much I was against her being president.

And, aside from the undue digs she got, she did do stupid and cavalier things during the campaign. She too had a very heightened arrogance (at its height, she went on a laughing jag, rather than answer questions), some liar gaffes of her own, like bullets over Bosnia, which she rightly got called on. (Or maybe she dreamed it really happened that way.) Toward the end, when things got tough, she suddenly got all “Im your tireless working class champ who will fight for you every single day!” And she got accessible, (after being far too comfortable with being heard but not hearing questions), ONLY when she saw the prize slipping out of the bag.

But when she thought she had it sewn up, she relied on her familiar “the lady is unavailable” playbook with media and constituents. And why wouldnt she go for the moat and drawbridge approach, when it had worked so fabulously for so long? It was really scarily unhealthy how she barely got touched by any potent criticism on the war, for years, how everyone so kindly played by her rules (including her “hometown” paper, the NYT).

The media’s/GOP’s over the top, 24/7 feasting on Bill’s adventurous weenie actually ended up helping her… in a bad way. Because of it, she had justification for years afterward, no explanations required, for her cool, remote cocoon. It was respected… until Iowa, it seems.

So, in a nutshell, the gut can play, but the head remembers.

96. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Mark Warner’s about as exciting as Melba toast. (No offense to Melba toast or anyone named Melba).

97. NYCee - 26 August 2008

#94 – Or they might make her sleepy, which would be a blessing.

98. Gayle - 26 August 2008

Mark Warner is the keynote speaker. (????!!!)

I can see why DiFi skipped this shit. Worst convention–Ever!!

99. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

had a fleeting image of DiFi being crane lifted into the convention.

lol…that would be entertaining.

Okay, okay. Broken ankle=big ouchie=painkillers. I’ll let her off the hook. (For that, anyway.)

100. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

She could be brought in on one of those…I can’t think of what they’re called…one of those platforms with a little canopy carried by manservants or cabana boys or whoever. Or really, she could just ride in on an elephant. That’d be more fun.

101. marisacat - 26 August 2008


yes I agree with all of that.. all of it.

AND people forget, Ferraro, a break in some ceiling, was 25 years ago, and NEVER repeated. AFAIR no woman ever really made ti to the short list, even.

We shall see how long til a woman runs again, OR a black, no matter the outcome of this election.

The party is not really interested in diversity and broadening of the party, expansion of rights etc.

Very very telling.

102. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

This is the keynote?!

103. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Does Warner bring his own chocolate fountain with him? (Obscure reference to a previous kossack convention)

104. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

This is the keynote?!

You betcha! More cheesecake?

105. Gayle - 26 August 2008

Intermittent Bystander,


The highlights of this convention will be the speeches of Hillary and Bill Clinton.

Hee Hee!

106. NYCO - 26 August 2008

100. Palanquin.

107. NYCee - 26 August 2008

wilfred – I tried to get Kucinich, but he had slipped off my Tivo. Anything really stellar you can recall he said? (Where the party doesnt dare go?) Sounds like he got a warm reception. (Too bad he doesnt get enough votes.)

108. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008


Thanks. (jotting that down)

109. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

Yoicks! That was like a bad seminar at a Holiday Inn.

Thanks, lc, but no more cheesecake for me. I’m approaching horizontal stupefaction as it is.

A coworker today effusively praised Michelle O’s speech of last night, but he had to agree that she all but offered to bake cookies right there at the podium.

110. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

107. I tried to get Kucinich, but he had slipped off my Tivo

I know the guy’s short but c’mon. lol

Seabiscuit – the guy you can fit in your pocket.

111. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

109. I was thinking I should have offered caffeinated cheesecake. I sure could use some.

112. NYCee - 26 August 2008


I hope you are not short-biased!

Short will be the new tall… in the future. (I am sort of tall, so this is sort of distressing.) He’s just ahead of his time. The president we’re not yet ready for, shortness and all. Perhaps in 50 years… if we make it that far.

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

NYCee, here ya’ go (I’m not sure it’s the whole thing): Dennis Kucinich At The DNC: Wake Up America!

114. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

I think it’s funny that these pundits (Tweetu, Big-headed Keith et al) are wondering when the Dems will go on the attack at the convention. Like they actually know how to attack the Republicans? Look at their recent history, for crap’s sake. They’re enablers. Co-dependent wimps.

115. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

I’m short. Makes it easier to sneak around. 😉

116. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

I don’t hang out on peoples’ Tivos though.

117. NYCO - 26 August 2008

114. Paterson and Kucinich were in attack mode, but they weren’t in prime time, of course.

118. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Deval Patrick is sure not in attack mode.

Rah Rah Go Bama!

119. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Paterson who? Of course they wouldn’t stick Dennis in prime time. They can’t control him like some of these bots they’ve had on tonite.

120. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Bubba’s sitting beside black people. The Revenge of Bubba – Part 1.

121. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Thanks madman, for the Kucinich/I’ll listen later. Like the lines I saw… I am behind in time, here on my Tivo. Guess HIllary has begun now.

I just finished (ignoring) Casey.

122. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

It’s like watching a cult, actually.

123. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Schweitzer reminds me of an overgrown child star from the ’60s or something. Brian “Buddy” Schweitzer.

124. Gayle - 26 August 2008

So on CNN’s cyron (under Gov. Schweitzer) it says “awaiting Hillary Clinton’s speech.” On MSNBC they have the camera trained on Bill Clinton.

Could they be any more obsessed?

125. NYCee - 26 August 2008

And I think I also missed the wooden Sebelius. What IS the matter with Kansas?

Speaking of which, Thomas Frank was on Afterwords talking about new book. Recorded it. Saw a snip where he was talking about how the Dem party is money corrupted too, once it started really going with the R playbook (K Street), starting in the late 60s.

126. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Schweitzer is cracking me up. He’s like the Montana version of Rodney Dangerfield. He’s quite entertaining actually.

127. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Madman/NYCee I posted the whole link to Kucinich in comment #71

128. NYCO - 26 August 2008

God, I can’t stand Olbermann.

Oh jeez. Still flogging the McCain houses thing? Guys, that was good for maybe 48 hours of the news cycle.

129. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Schweitzer got them going tho…

130. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Darn. I just found out I could have been playing road hockey with the neighbours instead of suffering through this.


131. wilfred - 26 August 2008

“The Petro-Dictators will never own American wind or sunshine”….. now that will play, we need a lot more of that to throw at the wingers. Schweitzer’s doing some barn-raising.

132. ms_xeno - 26 August 2008

I have to say, based on my stellar one-time career in public service, that there were quite a number of wealthy homeowners that couldn’t/wouldn’t keep proper track of all the property they owned. They’d get help from the local civil servant in Property Tax and then doubtless go back seconds later to whining about how the Property Tax should be abolished because their money was being wasted…

133. marisacat - 26 August 2008


For slurs it’s Presdient Hussein vs President 7 Houses…

uh only one of those packs a punch.

134. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

God, I can’t stand Olbermann.

I’ve dubbed him ‘Windbag in the parking lot”.

135. NYCO - 26 August 2008

The Petro-Dictators will never own American wind or sunshine”

No, just the corporate dictators. Ask any community that’s dealing with a wind farm proposal.

136. wilfred - 26 August 2008

LOL, i felt like i was watching a video for the runner-up on Survivor. It’s Hillpac Time.

137. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Oooo…ugly-coloured pantsuit. My eyes, they burn. Is it a pumpkin or is it Hillary?

138. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

127 – oops, missed it. That’s what I get for trying to blog links and talk on the phone at the same time.

So, is it just me, or is the DNC cult of personality shit really, REALLY creepy?

139. NYCee - 26 August 2008

Houses! It aint how many, it’s the count, stupid!

Romney told Tweety (who also flogged the houses, this time adding on potential Romney houses to McCains, total of 12 at his guesstimation) that he had one less than Kerry. That should shut him up… if it werent Tweety, that is.

The Cali rep… Loretta Sanchez… got it in on Lehrer Newshour. Or maybe it was the blond… cant recall name now… FL rep, two last names?

They are all overdoing it.

Nancy was told she was rich, she must have some hefty real estate (Politico/Yahoo interview), so why pick on McCain’s houses. She sweat a slight drop, then quickly regrouped and said, We Democrats arent against having houses…McCains’s problem was he couldnt remember how many. Lol!

See, it’s just the counting that counts! (Ah, so a miserly rich Dem is permisable, as long as he can account for every penny?) She went on to say, we Democrats arent against wealth … we love that people should do well, we just believe it shouldnt be on the backs of the working class… then proceeded to get duly whipped up as champ of the little people.

140. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

Did Clinton fall into a case of dreamsicles on her way onstage?

Actually, she looks like a dreamsicle … bright orange on the outside, pasty white on the inside.

141. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

LOL … my cable tv just crashed.

142. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

FL rep, two last names?

Wassrman-Schulz? (Or are we playing charades?) 😉

143. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

141. Maybe that orange is radioactive.

144. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

Did I miss anything?

145. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Heh, Hillary just said “my sisterhood.” That ought to be good for a month of burning her in effigy over at Big Orange.

146. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

“sister of the travelling pantsuits” lol

Did I miss anything?

She’s thanking everybody, blah blah blah…

147. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

oops…that’s right…”sisterhood”

Speaking of the Big Orange. They’ll probably take it as an attack over there that she’s wearing their colour. They’re so vain.

148. NYCO - 26 August 2008

No, the color was chosen so she would stand out against the blah blue background. Maybe she’s going to start her own “Orange Revolution.”

You see, orange is the opposite of blue on the color wheel; it’s the Democratic equivalent of flying the American flag upside down… (as long as we’re positing tripped-out hackneyed theories…)

149. marisacat - 26 August 2008

oh FFS

Salazar is to nominate Ob.

The man whose office emphasises he is an Independent………………..[democrat — whisper whisper] when consitituents call to complain.

150. NYCO - 26 August 2008

Wow, Bill looks like this is the happiest moment of his life.

151. NYCee - 26 August 2008

I cant take Mark Warner… Im going forward to the Hillary.

ms_xeno. Love your descrip of your stint in house counting, whatever it was. Also, just a while ago saw your response re earlier discussion. Will give due attention in a bit or 2.

My house ownership = zero. I feel so fucking UNamerican. (Although I am getting itchy to get out of Manhattan some day, not so far off, and will probably git me one.)

152. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

148. 🙂

153. NYCO - 26 August 2008

This is a rather good speech for Hillary. Usually her delivery is so incredibly stilted and awful. She actually sounds real.

BWAHHH. she just gave a shout-out to Bill.

154. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

I despise Salazar. Then again, not fond of most of the stiffs they had lined up for tonight.

155. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

when are they going to learn that they can’t win by talking up their opponent?

I don’t give a shit if McCain is your “friend”. IMHO, that’s a big part of the problem.

156. NYCO - 26 August 2008

SENECA FALLS!!! woo hoo! that’s my Senator.


157. NYCee - 26 August 2008

I second that on the #158

Very sly spy, NYCO. The color wheel opposite maneuver. Wow.

158. wilfred - 26 August 2008

Have to give her credit, a good speech and really well delivered.

159. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

That was good, as far as rah rah America speeches go.

160. NYCee - 26 August 2008

I know. The friend bit. Ugh.

I remember when Dean yelled at an R town haller in Iowa who chided him for being divisive. He said George Bush should be treated as a good neighbor, friendly like. Dean snapped, “George Bush is NOT my friend!”

Those were the days.

That’s why the party thought he couldnt/shouldnt be prez.

Well, he’s tame now.

161. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Even the big-headed windbag in the parking lot is impressed.

162. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008
163. marisacat - 26 August 2008

Don’t worry some are criticising the speech. I suggest Obama buy firecrckers and sit on them to blast off. Sometimes it is up to the candidate.

164. NYCO - 26 August 2008

That really was a well crafted speech. The Koswhacks seem happy, and her own supporters must be happy at all those messages to “keep going,” and her constituents must be happy (with all those upstate New York shout-outs about Seneca Falls and Harriet Tubman). A good speech convinces every listener that it’s all about them.

165. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

::Ding dong:: Your dreamsicles are here!
Way to go with the Tubman stuff, too.

Everybody happppy now?

Nit-picking O supporters betta stifle themselves for the next day or two, if they really want it all to work out.

166. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2008

It was okay, but I still think they’re being too “civil”.

167. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2008

Quite the difference in post-speech coverage. Tweety and the Windbag declaring the party is now united while CNN found a teary-eyed Hillary supporter who said she doesn’t know if she can bring herself to vote in November. “Experience counts”, she said as she mumbled something about Obama’s thin resume.

168. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

166 – Too civil to the GOP, yes indeedy. But Hill’s #2 job (after rounding up the herd) was to keep up the rope tricks for various crossover voters, right?

169. marisacat - 26 August 2008

nu thred…………….


……………… 8) …………………..

170. marisacat - 26 August 2008

oh I agree too civil, but that was not her prirmary job. They need more Schweitzers. Who, I read, had to get out and do the hard harsh stump work FOR Tester. he was too fragile for it.

171. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2008

I’m sorry I missed David Paterson (he’s the NYS Guvnor, catnip . . . Spitzer’s ceremonial #2 and subsequent, dare I say urgent, replacement – a silver lining or updrafting-windfall here, I think), but will check the yoootooob for a clip tomorrow.


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