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Diddling the voter, fucking the woman 1 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Abortion Rights, California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Sex / Reproductive Health, The Battle for New Orleans.
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Shelia Duncan holds her daughter, Paris, while niece Kimmione plays on a bus going to Shreveport from New Orleans. Duncan, who is blind, brought the white box containing her baby’s ashes. [Barbara Davidson – LAT]

I went thru some old posts of mine at LSF, in the wake of Katrina making landfall. God it was depressing. Worse, as I was reading thru the old posts, mine, Madman’s, wilfred’s, NYCO’s… I had on [so-called] liberal call in radio. Well, I have long said we are not liberal here… and we are not:

Not only is Palin unqualified (the fucking country is so unqualified as to be disqualified) she should be ”barred from the job due to the 5 children and esp the special needs baby”. She has “no right to seek the job”. More, ”her time as governor does not matter as she was pregnant half the time”. AND she is damned for ”going back to work 4 days after giving birth”. Many jokes about ”the 3 am call”. (Those jokes, to be frank, blew by me. I lost interest in that ad campaign when Orlando Patterson declared the ads “racist”. Something to do with the assortment of pictures used. Who fucking cares? Restore the city of New Orleans * )

Yes, all that from a gay host. Not a surprise he got heavy duty xtian callers saying she will not be elected as the Bible preaches ”no woman may have authority over man”. He seemed fine with it, despite being agnostic or atheist…. It clearly fit the Dem party whip game being run….

So, high fives all around, yes?

The prize I keep my eyes on is more freedom for all, expanded rights for all. Otherwise it is just bullshit. It’s all not working as we keep some in the gutter and let others stand on the sidewalk.

Before looking over the the debris laden “liberal” landscape, I caught the DC Boys, Obama and Biden, on with Kroft of 60 Minutes.

I am so glad I don’t feel I need to the kick the tires of the third hand car they are so awkwardly trying to sell me. I think King Solomon split that car down the middle, each party is selling a half.

I am sorry to be rude but they both looked like gigolos. One aging, one with a few years to still kick it. You might get more than the car, if you play it right.. it wafts in the air. They would want you to pay, that was clear. A lethargy about it all, doubtful one gets one’s money’s worth.

Now the radio is blaring: ”she will have raging hormones”, then later, ”menopausal hot flashes”. In the “Ovary Office” … and “she might have more children”.

It’s as bought and paid for, as orchestrated, as middle names and madrassas.

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Earlier tonight I was remembering, tried to find reference to a little corner market in the Quarter – a couple of blocks from the hotel I would stay in on Chartres. It seemed to be open around the clock, there if you wanted cigarettes or more liquor or a copy of the Times-Picayune. A place where you could and would see a drag queen, 6 ft 4, black and in a turquoise peignoir, appropriate at 4:30 am… A brightly lit little outpost, rooted and floating, all at once.

Found it: It was slated for condos before the hurricane, development halted, then sold again a year after Katrina.

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* I had planned to link to Obama’s September 6, 2005 speech, he had been with GHW and Bill, and gave a speech denying race was involved in the response to Katrina, while it is true that white and black, as well as others and immigrants, suffered, there was indeed racism.. That speech is no longer available at his senate site, but Glen Ford recorded the pertinent words:

Barack Obama denies that racism plays any role in this.

“There’s been much attention in the press about the fact that those who were left behind in New Orleans were disproportionately poor and African American. I’ve said publicly that I do not subscribe to the notion that the painfully slow response of FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security was racially-based. The ineptitude was colorblind,” said Obama on his web site, September 6, 2005. He still says so.

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And not to worry! Several hours later, KGO is back at it, a woman host is shredding Palin the mother. Issues of her “nursing in the WH”. Shredding her to smithereens. The attacks on Palin are bracketed with moans over racism. I NO LONGER CARE! Not with regard to this election.

And I know the 1 am – 5 am, a long time Dem party operative in these parts, Ray Taliaferro, will push it thru the night. He slavered with joy every night to sexually shred Hillary. He said of Hillary the very same words he screamed that Rush used against EE, withholding oral sex (these flaccid “men” say) drives men out the door.

Well it drives people somewhere.

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Just saw these at the end of the previous thread, from catnip:

OMG. The Times of London is on it.

If Mrs Palin, a conservative mother of five, ever doubted that landing on a national presidential ticket would open her to the harshest of spotlights and smear tactics, she also awoke yesterday to utterly unfounded internet rumours that her fifth child, born in April with Down’s Syndrome, was actually her 17-year-old daughter’s.

Way to go there, kossacks!

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The dkos fake pregnancy story hits HuffPo (and is spreading quickly). Check out memeorandum and grab your popcorn.

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1. marisacat - 1 September 2008

This is working out, actually. Taliaferro says they don’t need everyone to vote for Obama. In fact, they don’t want to encourage reluctant voters.

Racists need not apply, is the implication, if I catch the inference..

I am so totally off the hook.

2. moiv - 1 September 2008

I admire your stamina if you can make it through Taliaferro’s show. I tried one night, and failed. If I have to listen to crooning, I need background music.

Has it occurred to anyone else that McCain might have simply had a Max Bialystock moment? Palin was what he came up with when it began to sink in that he was in danger of actually winning this thing. 😉

3. marisacat - 1 September 2008

He may yet win. The impression I got off 60 minutes was not that Ob and Knob are prepping hard.

Boyz wanna coast on their skates.

Ray Tal, as they call him, has been a fucking asshole for 35 years. That i know of. Makes me cringe.

4. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Because Cuba has efficient Civil Def, that’s why (from left i on the news)

Update: The death toll elsewhere in the Caribbean has risen to 94. In Cuba, an astonishing total of 86,000 homes were damaged or destroyed, and 80 electricity towers were downed across the island. And despite that ferocious assault, only 19 Cubans were injured, none gravely.

5. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL Democrats are scaling back their rapid response war room in Minneapolis. (ABCNews)

Well of course.

6. NYCO - 1 September 2008

And despite that ferocious assault, only 19 Cubans were injured, none gravely.

Hate to sound like a Republican (or a Kossack for that matter) but… where are we getting that information from — Fidel?

(BBC? CBC? Just wondering if we have independent confirmation of no deaths from a non-Cuban source. I don’t doubt that Cuba has a better evacuation process than the U.S. does, but no deaths, really?)

7. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Hate to sound like a Republican (or a Kossack for that matter) but… where are we getting that information from — Fidel?

(BBC? CBC? Just wondering if we have independent confirmation of no deaths from a non-Cuban source. I don’t doubt that Cuba has a better evacuation process than the U.S. does, but no deaths, really?)

Yahoo news via left i on the news

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8. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I have heard NBC news reports from Cuba, they have a woman, a US soman there, but did not hear of deaths. Of course there may be some. Much wreckage. Lousy infrastructure.

9. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Apparently Sully, Colmes and Rogers Cadenhead (who I had thught smarter) all bought the Dkos diary. And ran with it.

10. JJB - 1 September 2008

Have just become aware of these latest rumors re the Palin baby. This situation is actually something that was not uncommon many years ago. Both Bobby Darin and Jack Nicholson were raised to believe their mother was their much older sister, and their maternal grandmother was their mother. I remember seeing a movie made in the early 60s on this subject, Susan Slade, starring Connie Stevens and Troy Donahue (I saw it on TV some 5-7 years after its theatrical release), and Desperate Housewives has also used it for a plotline. I really don’t think that in this day and age even the most fundamental of fundies would go through this elaborate charade, but who knows? I really don’t even feel like acquainting myself with the details of this rumor, I find her possible abuse of power a much more sensible and appropriate subject for investigation, this pregnancy rumor sounds like a sordid bit of calumny with nothing to back it up, at this point anyway.

That it’s being heavily promoted on Kosolini’s site seems somehow appropriate today, there’s a hurricane bearing down on New Orleans, and I am reminded of the diary entry promoted to FP status that made me decide to quit The Big Orange — Armando’s “New Orleans Has Been Spared The Worst.” Jumping to conclusions from his expertise on hurricanes (he grew up in Florida, so of course he knew as much as the best meteorologists), he posted this thing, and only minutes thereafter, news of major flooding in portions of the city began appearing in the MSM websites and on TV. The comment thread that followed featured him heaping abuse on anyone who suggested that he might, in light of subsequent facts, want to change the headline, or at least admit he was, shall be say, mistaken. Instead, literally as the levees failed and people died, he went on, ranting and raving that he was right, that the city was safe, that nothing much of consequence would result from the storm, pulling every sort of vulgar insult out of his vast store of Anglo-Saxonisms and putting them online to defame people who were doing nothing more than telling the truth. Remarkably, he left this extraordinary evidence of his essential rottenness up for many months afterward, and I was able to post links to it on a number of occasions. It was finally deleted at one point, whether by him or someone with better sense I don’t know. Another extraordinary feature of that comment thread were the number of people who joined him in his ludicrous behavior, both his allies and those desperate for his approval. Anyway, I decided after that performance this was no longer a site worth frequenting. I started wiping out all the diaries I’d ever posted there, and wish very fervently I could have wiped out all my comments as well.

11. JJB - 1 September 2008

Re Gustav’s effect on Cuba, I believe if you go back through the years, it’s common for Cuba to suffer hits from devastating hurricanes and have no fatalities. They are very serious about moving people out, as they should be. And I would assume that when the authorities come knocking at your door and tell you about mandatory evacuation, they don’t take “no” for an answer.

12. JJB - 1 September 2008
13. diamina - 1 September 2008

So who takes care of the special needs of her special needs baby???

I suppose running for office is one excuse to avoid her motherhood duties. I guess I don’t sound like a feminist here.

mattes

14. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

MSNBC and CNN are reporting that wind is driving water to overtop a western barrier of Industrial Canal. Also there are apparently three ships (including a barge) loose in the canal, and these could potentially puncture a levee.

CNN just had Gen. Honore confirming a barge in canal and saying “lesson learned for next time” while admitting a barge contributed to breaching last time.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

in yet another sign of how fucked up and shameless this country is, MSNBC just had BROWNIE on as an “expert”, flacking for FEMA and Jindahl.

Most people, powerless or poor or brown/black/red fuck up in a simple way, say a little dope, they can pay for that mistake for the rest of their lives. Be a connected Republican lawyer and leave a city full of people to drown … you’re an EXPERT now.

Jeebus H Xrist

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

4 – damned socialism, it just DOESN’T WORK!!!!!!!!!

17. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

Cringe-worthy but truly Bidenesque.

18. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008
19. marisacat - 1 September 2008

…a barge contributed to breaching last time.

Last I heard the barge still sat there a huge metal hulk at the end of the road. The story is that tthe gov and various responsible agencies culd not find out who it belonged to. No one bought that, at least in Demme doc I saw.

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it is Palin’s baby. Hard to manage that version of hide the bastard child while serving as governor.

Who ever ran this mess of a job, were foolish. It is securing support on the R behind her..

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mattes

yu landed in moderation as this name is a “first time user”.

20. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

Bristol Palin Pregnant

Reuters: “The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. ‘We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,’ the Palins’ statement said. ‘Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,’ the Palins said.”

21. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

The ob/gyn plot just won’t stop. MSNBC First Read has Reuters report that Palin daughter is 5 months pregnant now and will marry the father.

First Read:

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. ‘We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,’ the Palins’ statement said. ‘Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,’ the Palins said.”

22. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

Reuters article about Plain’s Daughter

The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple’s privacy.

“Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates,” the statement concluded.

More popcorn, please.

23. marisacat - 1 September 2008

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an ealrier post of left i on the news did review Cuban death counts from hurricanes.

Because of their Civil Defense they do get people out of the way.

This is not a blanket endorsement of Fidel. JUst had to throw that in.

24. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Which pregnancy they did not hide, but also did not announce.. Her daughter was with the family on the stage in Dayton.

People will find out, as long as she does it “Juno” style (the accepted version of dealing iwht teen pregnancy), people will fall back.

25. marisacat - 1 September 2008

10

well the problem is that “Katrina” was a femininely named hurricane.

Armando thught he could control it.

Poor sod.

26. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

Where there’s smoke there’s fire. (6+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
cartwrightdale, Roadbed Guy, Nature Guy, bushondrugs, notrouble, Interceptor7

Goodness me. So there WAS a story there after all! A few details were astray, but there WAS a story.

by Loquatrix on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:09:50 AM PDT

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A few details were astray????? (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
neil, Gray, timfred

Wow, exaggerate much? There wasn’t a single detail correct–Sarah Palin’s daughter is not the mother of Trig. What part of that particular detail was anywhere near close to being true?

Two separate events, people.

What’s a good atheist substitute for “God bless America and Godspeed to you all”? Have a nice day and drive fast?

by Pager on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:12:46 AM PDT

The smell of desperation in the morning.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

25 – LOL!

And today we have the marvel of Laura Bush warning Dems about sexism!

28. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL via The Page:

Apparently angry McCain aide: “The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama’s name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket…”

29. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

The so-called “progressive” community:

Holy shit… (2+ / 0-)

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a 17 year old pregnant for 5 months who is not married to the father yet?

When is her birthday, was she 16 when this happened?

And McCain decided that this was ok? Is he freaking nuts, does he even know who the father is or what family he comes from?

Wow, just fucking wow!!!

What we do for ourselves dies with us, what we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. (Albert Pine)

by laughingriver on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:14:23 AM PDT

I was pregnant and unmarried at 17 and had my daughter just after I turned 18. That was 30 years ago. I still remember the stares of people in the shopping mall when I wheeled my daughter around in her stroller. You know those looks. As if I had a scarlet letter on my forehead. They searched for the ring on my finger and the scorn from some was palpable. I had sinned. It was damn hard putting up with that back then. Apparently 30 years passing hasn’t made much of a difference in some peoples’ minds.

30. JJB - 1 September 2008

That Palin family is a soap opera writer’s dream (called the program “Juneau,” a nice pun on the title of the already mentioned teen-pregnancy movie). In order to squelch the unfounded rumor/smear that she is posing as the mother of her teenage daughter’s child, Governor Palin is forced to admit said teenage daughter is pregnant, and far enough along that she could not possibly be the mother of the baby in question.

One thing seems indisputable in all this: McCain’s team did not do a proper job of vetting this woman before choosing her as a running mate. Unless they think this ever expanding family soap opera is something that will add to the ticket’s luster.

31. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I smell panic from the Democrats.

And interestingly the first I read of all of this, was a Sat am diary at PFF.

32. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Soon we will hear of Ob’s “don’t want my daughters punished with a baby”

Someone throw confetti. And lock the women up. Forever.

33. marisacat - 1 September 2008

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I am sick of the shame business. Sick of it. Women and babies occur as they occur.

But as I said, let’s slap them in stirrups and work this out. Maybe Ob, Axelrod, Plouffe and oh yes Valerie Jarrett wants to be the room for the gyn exam.

Let’s examine if S Palin correctly assessed the situation when HER water broke.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

the lecturing about Palin and her daughter makes the donks and its supporters look like intolerant hypocrites.

What if her eldest son had knocked up his girlfriend? Would we be hearing all of this wailing?

I used to insist that America was actually, under the surface, a liberal country. I WAS WRONG. A nation of bigots, scolds, sexist pigs.

35. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Biden too. Fucking Catholic isn’t he?

Ob, some born again.

All of them in the gynological exam rooms. Quietly, if my take is right, making assurances to the hard right during this run as to what will be done about abortion and women. Esp about women “who feel blue”.

36. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

The Repubs will be able to spin this one without a problem:

1. She’s keeping the baby.
2. She’s getting married.

The so-called “right” path.

I’m all for going after abstinence-only education but if the Dems make this girl the poster-child for that, the wrath of the right will be unleashed to the max.

37. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Qoo, Democrrats are screaming. Listneing to KGO talk radio. Local R head of the party, Mike D’Annuzio, called in to his long time friend, the host.

A scream fest between men. I am loving it!

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

while the silly political soap opera goes on, children go without:

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — With mortgage foreclosures throwing hundreds of families out of their homes here each month, dismayed school officials say they are feeling the upheaval: record numbers of students turning up for classes this fall are homeless or poor enough to qualify for free meals.

“We’re seeing a lot more children in poverty,” said Lauren Roberts, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County school system, a 98,000-student district that includes Louisville and its suburbs.

At the same time, the district is struggling with its own financial problems. Responding to a cut of $43 million by the state in education spending and to higher energy and other costs, school officials in Jefferson County have raised lunch prices, eliminated 17 buses by reorganizing routes, ordered drivers to turn off vehicles rather than letting them idle and increased property taxes.

The Jefferson County system is typical this school year.

As 50 million children return to classes across the nation, crippling increases in the price of fuel and food, coupled with the economic downturn, have left schools from California to Florida to Maine cutting costs. Some are trimming bus service, others are restricting travel, and a few are shortening the school week. And as many districts are forced to cut back, the number of poor and homeless students is rising.

“The big national picture is that food and fuel costs are going up and school revenues are not,” said Anne L. Bryant, executive director of the National School Boards Association. “We’re in a recession, and it’s having a dramatic impact on schools.”

Louisville’s pain is minor compared with the woes of some cities. Detroit has laid off at least 700 teachers, Los Angeles 500 administrators and Miami-Dade County hundreds of school psychologists, maintenance workers and custodians.

Schools in many states have cut bus stops to save diesel. Districts in California and Ohio have gone further and eliminated bus service either completely or for high schools, leaving thousands of students to find their own way to school.

39. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL the Dems are FUNDING abstinence and, alst I heard, slashed subsioes for birth control (for Planned Parenthood) in the last budget bill.

SO where are they on this.???

40. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Poor Democrats.

41. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

Reuters story sez McCain knew about daughter’s pregnancy when he made the Palin pick.

Lotta kung-fu fighting goin’ on.

BTW – I saw rumors in obscure diaries at dk and in comments to MSM stories elsewhere, a day before ran scot’s PFF bullshit. I remember noting tejano’s continuing MO for “breaking” tales with Brazorian bravado, sans concern for “hat tip” credits or “dubious” sources. FWIW.

42. marisacat - 1 September 2008

tejano and donkeytale were operatives. Still are, out there somewehre in the dark with the little people.

43. JJB - 1 September 2008

No. 34,

What if her eldest son had knocked up his girlfriend? Would we be hearing all of this wailing?

Yes, I’m sure we would.

Now that I think about it, the way things are going with this family, that’s exactly what we will be hearing very shortly.

44. JJB - 1 September 2008

News out of New Orleans says water is “sloshing over the top of the Industrial Canal’s floodwall,” but that officials feel that catastrophic flooding won’t happen. Judging from the photo accompanying that story, I’d say pretty serious flooding has already occurred. That would appear to show some 4-5 feet of water submerging that area.

45. JJB - 1 September 2008

The photo in this NY Times story is also alarming, as water flows over a flood wall in the 9th ward.

46. marisacat - 1 September 2008

The story is 5 ft surges on … think it was I-90 (I forget the net of freeways there)

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

43 – sorry, but you’re wrong. It wouldn’t have the same tone.

48. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL

Ob wil run the storm from Chicago…

The Democrat plans on clearing his Tuesday schedule to go back to campaign headquarters and deal with the aftermath of the storm.

via The Page…

49. marisacat - 1 September 2008

The Democrats are going to solidify Palin as an icon of the religious right.

What a hoot!

And this will unleash the hard right.

it is going to be entertaining, no question.

50. JJB - 1 September 2008

47,

Says you.

It would have roughly the same tone, and people would try to make the same hay out of it.

And since we won’t have any way of knowing until and unless such a thing happens, you’re categorical statement that I’m wrong is incorrect.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

The Palin Trap:

Palin was educated at a not-famous public university, received a bachelor’s degree in journalism and became a sportscaster before entering the political arena. She married her high school sweetheart, a commercial fisherman and oil company worker (not executive, or even manager). Her political career began at the PTA. She raised four kids while holding down her career, and recently had a fifth. Compared to McCain, Obama and even Biden, her story is easily the most sympathetic to working class voters, especially white women. While the McCain campaign whispers to voters in Peoria that Obama is not ‘one of us,’ with Palin they will be able to present a face and a story that is reassuringly familiar – much more so than the top of the ticket.

The McCain campaign is going to trot Palin out whenever they need to make the case that they feel America’s pain. They’re going to contrast her story to Obama’s, and even to Biden’s (not the part about being a scrappy kid from Scranton, but the part about being in the Senate for a million years). They’re going to have her stick relentlessly to her personal biography, and avoid at all costs any discussion of policy. And whenever any Democrat attacks her for being inexperienced, they’re going to turn to working class voters and ask why all these Harvard-educated, pointy-headed know-it-alls think that they know better how to help working families than a woman who worked her way through a demanding career while raising five kids, stayed married to her hard-working husband, and was so successful that she became a governor and then a VP nominee. They’re going to turn any question about Palin’s ‘experience,’ whether from a Dem or from a journalist, into another elitist attack on working class culture, another example of snooty, brainiac liberals condescending to ordinary Americans. And to boot, a bunch of good old boys picking on Mrs. Mom.

I don’t believe that this is a bid for Hillary supporters, I think it’s a bid for the same segment of the electorate that almost every tactic from both campaigns has been aimed at: white working class swing voters. I think the inevitable attacks on Palin are part of the purpose of her selection. By turning her into a lightning rod, they will be able to deflect attacks away from McCain toward a far more sympathetic figure, and then use those attacks as evidence in a far more powerful counterattack against typical liberal elitism.

We’re best off not taking that bait.

It is, of course, too late.

52. marisacat - 1 September 2008

John Rothmann, the KGO host just realised he was caught in the trap. Getting a boatload of “liberals” calling bitcing abut

“duahger fooled around” , “duagher got pregnant” and now “her life is ruined” (I loved that one)

So now he is back trakcing. I caught a whiff of fear. LOL

One even said, the daughter and her boyfriend will be “divorced before Ob closes out hsi first term”.

POPCORN and champagne.

I read Peyton Place as a teen ager. Very odd, all that small town snooping.

53. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Time to bring up Ob’s mother. In his book he is unclear about the marriage, and pretty much stops looking into it (seems there was a license, now that he is the object of inspection). Right, who cares?

Right on schedule.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

50 – He would be the heroic man’s boy, stepping up to meet his responsibilities AND going overseas to kill terrorists. We’d get fawning pics of the wedding, tumescent bride beaming for the camera.

Boy’s getting a girl pregnant is only a problem if they don’t pay for it by getting married. Or if they are a different race. Girl’s GETTING pregnant is ALWAYS a problem (look at your’s and the kossack’s reactions), a problem only SLIGHTLY mitigated by having the baby and getting married, for which she’ll be criticized as well.

Look at the country you’re living in.

55. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2008

I just saw one of these birds in the yard. Cool. I’ve never seen one before.

56. marisacat - 1 September 2008

The whole abortion issue is to control women. It is NOT about controlling men.

When abortion was illegal, abortion existed to SERVE men, often local pwoerful men.

Cops judges doctors the whole network of knowing who did abortions.

God forbid it be avaialable at the next corner.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008
58. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

51 – Exacto. 1001 Elvis-impersonating horses have left the barn, I mean, building.

As the wind-whipped camera operators monitor surges over and under the NOLA canal walls, so TUs are scrambling to patrol “troll diary” breaches like Old Redneck‘s latest bit of wit. Which links to this (speaking of wedding portraits).

59. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Tapper:

Just Askin’…

September 01, 2008 1:26 PM

What would the response be if Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his wife Michelle had a pregnant unmarried teenage daughter?

— jpt

September 1, 2008

popcorn!

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

Live feeds for New Orleans: WGNO, WWL, WWL feed, WDSU, WVUE

Found the link via Chicagoist (who has a friend in NOLA giving him updates).

61. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL Sully is back a few pages. This is at the top of his page:

Now they’ve cleared the air on this – and good for them – what harm would it do to release the medical records showing that Sarah Palin delivered Trig on April 18 in Wasilla? This is not hard: there must be an obstetrician, medical records, and data that can easily refute this rumor. It is not out of the ordinary either: candidates routinely issue medical records. So let’s have them. And then we can move on.

62. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Don’t worry!

Sully is on the story!

Palin sister has 9, count them NINE kids and NO DAD in the house!

He really want s the medical records.

I say SP releases an UNDATED letter, which is what Ob did on his health, that sh is on good health and recently gave birth.

63. raincat100 - 1 September 2008

Alaskan blogger’s take on Palin:

Just a girl from Homer

64. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Sully had spotted an engagement ring (he calls it ”wedding”, but he is a little off, sorry Sully I realise this is NOT gay marriage just marriage!) on Bristol’s finger! he feels justified now!

65. marisacat - 1 September 2008
66. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008
67. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

AP lined up some fundies to bless the situation right out of the gate.

Prominent religious conservatives, many of whom have been lukewarm toward McCain’s candidacy, predicted that Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy would not diminish conservative Christian enthusiasm over the vice presidential hopeful.

“I think it’s a very private matter,” said Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America. “It’s a matter that should stay in the family and they have to work through it together. My prayers go out to them.”

Added Combs: “We’re excited about the governor and think she’s going to do well.”

Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: “We’re all sinners.”

“We all make mistakes. Certainly, the ideal is not to get pregnant out of wedlock. But she made the right decision after her mistake,” he said.

Staver also criticized anyone who would seek to make it a negative campaign issue: “It’s absolutely shameful to put her child in the spotlight. She’s not running for office. When someone can’t face issues, they try to tear down a family.”

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

Happy Hour Is Now Enforced By Law

Watching the libsphere in hysterics over Sarah Palin has been entertaining, and no attack on her is considered too low or too coarse to post in a comments section. Apart from her reactionary positions, the main lib beef, as I recently noted, is with her inexperience. Liberals demand seasoned insiders like Joe Biden to help guide the empire, someone who can properly manage the machinery of state, bomb the right countries, spy on the right people, and above all, normalize imperial matters after eight years of “wrong” turns. Palin is an affront to their sense of professionalism. Thus the constant abuse.

Given this, I’m somewhat puzzled by liberal concerns over police state tactics in St. Paul. Less than a week ago, most of them were cheering on two men who openly promised more war and more cops; but now that the logical extension of such promises is on display as Republicans gather for their infomercial, many of these same people are outraged and worried about constitutional freedoms. They now champion marginal peace groups that couldn’t get their attention in Denver. Could it be that when the GOP bashes, pepper sprays, intimidates and arrests peaceful dissidents, it’s considered much more damaging to democracy than when the Democrats do the same thing? Especially in a historic election year such as this? I’ll leave such jaded thoughts to angry purists and other losers.

The bottom line is this — we live in a bi-partisan police state, and it’s only going to get worse, no matter who wins in November. The elite are protected by SWAT and Delta teams, riot cops, razor wire, automatic weapons, pepper spray, tasers, and clubs. The Feds spy on those who manage to organize some resistance, no matter how ineffectual it actually is. The police raids on homes in St. Paul are direct reminders of who has the power, a federal “fuck you” to those who have the audacity to openly dissent beyond state-sanctioned “free speech zones,” walled-off holding pens surrounded by heavily-armed cops.

69. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I would not be so harsh on poor Sully but the ONLY thing he is liberal on is Gay Marriage.

The only thing. Even his love for Obama is non liberal.

Sorry guy, rights, civil rights and privacy are for EVERYONE.

70. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Well St Elizabeth fell off the Edwards pedestal (to be fair it was a several year run and she fell due to husband)…… and the political run needs a paton saint.

St Sarah.

I annont thee.

LOL

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

OOOOO, look at the shiny new soap opera, the latest fallen woman! Meanwhile: War Powers in Perpetuity

Tucked deep into a recent proposal from the Bush administration is a provision that has received almost no public attention, yet in many ways captures one of President Bush’s defining legacies: an affirmation that the United States is still at war with Al Qaeda.

Seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Bush’s advisers assert that many Americans may have forgotten that. So they want Congress to say so and “acknowledge again and explicitly that this nation remains engaged in an armed conflict with Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated organizations, who have already proclaimed themselves at war with us and who are dedicated to the slaughter of Americans.”

The language, part of a proposal for hearing legal appeals from detainees at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, goes beyond political symbolism. Echoing a measure that Congress passed just days after the Sept. 11 attacks, it carries significant legal and public policy implications for Mr. Bush, and potentially his successor, to claim the imprimatur of Congress to use the tools of war, including detention, interrogation and surveillance, against the enemy, legal and political analysts say.

Some lawmakers are concerned that the administration’s effort to declare anew a war footing is an 11th-hour maneuver to re-establish its broad interpretation of the president’s wartime powers, even in the face of challenges from the Supreme Court and Congress.

The proposal is also the latest step that the administration, in its waning months, has taken to make permanent important aspects of its “long war” against terrorism. From a new wiretapping law approved by Congress to a rewriting of intelligence procedures and F.B.I. investigative techniques, the administration is moving to institutionalize by law, regulation or order a wide variety of antiterrorism tactics.

And the Sainted One and his sidekick will do and say nothing about it. Hell, they will VOTE for it.

72. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Given this, I’m somewhat puzzled by liberal concerns over police state tactics in St. Pau

well it s grist for the rage mill Hamsher and Lindsay Beyerstein are on it (I dropped in at Digby last night, she says they are on it, I am too far gone for thsoe women!)

73. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL The men say they figured it all out. That would be Clemons and Sully. They were on it! I sorta doubt that (figured it all out)_. As this is truly developing… in ways teh Dem party is not able to catch.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

DNC: UNCUT Police slam CodePink to ground

The attack on the Code Pink protester is towards the end of the clip.

75. marisacat - 1 September 2008

38

Districts in California and Ohio have gone further and eliminated bus service either completely or for high schools, leaving thousands of students to find their own way to school.

yeah several years ago. Some areas kept it as a fee bsed service. Think it is 350.00 per year. It is a real hardship to many. And the 350, where it is exists is now DOUBLING.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

Curb Your Enthusiasm for Obama

Barack Obama’s health care plan coddles the corporations that profit from the misery and illnesses of tens of millions of Americans. The plan is naive, at best, and probably disingenuous when it insists that we can coax these corporations, which are listed on the stock exchange and exist to maximize profit, to transform themselves into social service agencies that will provide adequate health care for all Americans. I wish we lived in such a rosy world. I know, and I suspect Obama knows, that we do not.

“Obama offers a false hope,” said Dr. John Geyman, the former chair of family medicine at the University of Washington and author of “Do Not Resuscitate: Why the Health Insurance Industry Is Dying, and How We Must Replace It.” “We cannot build on or tweak the present system. Different states have tried this. The problem is the private insurance industry itself. It is not as efficient as a publicly financed system. It fragments risk pools, skimming off the healthier part of the population and leaving the rest uninsured or underinsured. Its administrative and overhead costs are five to eight times higher than public financing through Medicare. It cares more about its shareholders than its enrollees or patients. A family of four now pays about $12,000 a year just in premiums, which have gone up by 87 percent from 2000 to 2006. The insurance industry is pricing itself out of the market for an ever larger part of the population. The industry resists regulation. It is unsustainable by present trends.”

We face a health crisis. The Democratic and Republican parties, awash in campaign contributions from the beasts they should be slaying on our behalf, have no interest in addressing it. A report in the journal Health Affairs estimates that, if the system is left unchanged, one of every five dollars spent by Americans in 2017 will go to health coverage. Half of all bankruptcies in America are because families are unable to pay their medical bills. There are some 46 million Americans without coverage and tens of millions more with inadequate policies that severely limit what kinds of procedures and treatments they can receive.

“There are at least 25 million Americans who are underinsured,” said Dr. Geyman. “Whatever coverage they have does not come close to covering the actual cost of a major illness or accident.”

Obama, like John McCain, did not support HR 676, the single-payer legislation. The corporations that run our for-profit health care industry, which would be shut down if the bill was enacted, have vigorously fought it through campaign contributions and armies of lobbyists. A study by Harvard Medical School found that national health insurance would save the country $350 billion a year. But Medicare does not make campaign contributions. The private health care industries do. They have lavished money on Obama. He received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And Michelle Obama is a vice president for community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid her $316,962 annually.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 1 September 2008

Attention, trash-talkers!

MONROE, Mich. – Barack Obama is condemning campaign rumors involving the children of candidates, including Republican vice presidential contender Sarah Palin. He says he will fire any campaign worker that violates his rule.

Obama, speaking Monday to reporters in Michigan, said he thinks “people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits.”

78. marisacat - 1 September 2008

“people’s families are off limits,

he wishes. th republicans know an orchestrated play when they see it — and they truly relish a set up, of their own making

this is like, but bigger, the run the repubs ran on poor dumb kerry on his call out about gay daughter. the repubs lay in wait… poor dems had allowed a ”trial” run by edwards at the veepessa debate.

79. marisacat - 1 September 2008

76

obama is like the negative of a photograph… not uninteresting, but hardly much of the whole deal.

the dems are running a disgusting long con. i don’t feel like being a pigeon.

80. marisacat - 1 September 2008

LOL well there is always a 22 year old DUI

As if Holiday or Friday news dump actually works for the hot moist stuff. It woks for trashed WH emails.. Oh and war declarations. Things like that.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

Surveillance Society Sparks Psychosis

If you think someone is watching you, you’re probably right. But this doesn’t mean you’re not also crazy, according to psychiatrists who say that our surveillance and reality TV society is spawning a new kind of psychosis. They’re calling it the Truman Show delusion.

Psychiatrists in the U.S. and Britain say they’re seeing a growing number of psychotic patients who are paranoid that cameras are watching their every move.

Not sure why they might think this.

Others fear the World Wide Web is monitoring their lives or being used to transmit photographs or personal information.

The psychiatrists say such patients are often mirroring — albeit, to an extreme — what is occurring in the environment around them.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008
83. marisacat - 1 September 2008

And then there is OUR GF, Israel. And who is a Zionist, (Biden says he is, he raised his hand).

Good luck to someone. Poor Ob he bowed and scraped to israel. Not enuogh? Guess not. He even supported Liebeman in CT (yes he did, despite 5 k to poor stick figure Lamont).

And Biden shuld know from lies, Right????

The respected Israeli newspaper Ha’artez today repeated an Israeli Army Radio report that Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, told “senior Israeli officials behind closed doors that the Jewish state will have to reconcile itself to a nuclear Iran.”

“Israel will have to reconcile itself with the nuclearization of Iran,” Army Radio said that Biden told the unnamed officials. “It’s doubtful if the economic sanctions will be effective, and I am against opening an additional military and diplomatic front.”

Biden spox David Wade said the unsourced report is simply false.

“This is a lie peddled by partisan opponents of Senators Obama and Biden,” said Wade, “and we will not tolerate anyone questioning Senator Biden’s 35-year record of standing up for the security of Israel.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008
85. marisacat - 1 September 2008

On the American cable TV channel Shalom TV last year, Biden said, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.” He addded that “Israel is the single greatest strength that America has in the Middle East.”

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008
87. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Oh but he threw his OWN GRANNIE under the bus. What family is off limits? (and I see that Rove is out trashing Biden. Right on schedule!… Calling him a big dumb doofus. Wll it is Biden who said on 60 Minutes that ob can grab lighting with his hands. No Biden did say that. They were reveling on how simple it all is)

Speaking in Monroe, Michigan, the Senator denies his campaign is behind rumors about Sarah Palin’s youngest child.

“I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that this involves us.”

Vows to fire any staffer found to be spreading the rumor that Trig Palin is actually the son of Gov. Palin’s daughter.

Read press avail transcript here, and listen to audio here.

Also notes that his own mother had him when she was 18, and tells reporters to “back off” the story, reports TIME’s Jay Newton-Small.

“I have said before and I will repeat again: People’s families are off limits.”

88. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I think vowing to fire the staffer, when found, is so so so pretzeldentish.

89. marisacat - 1 September 2008

via The Page

More than $10 million has poured into McCain campaign coffers in the days since the Palin selection was announced.

Total coinage raised in August is now reportedly in excess of $47 million, making it McCain’s best month of the campaign so far

90. marisacat - 1 September 2008

85

but the La Hayes say that their dachsunds are going to heaven.

91. ms_xeno - 1 September 2008

#76: Oh, shut up, Madman.

MCCAIN !!! FEAR !! FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR !!! OOGA-BOOGA !! POLITICS IS THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE !!! LESSER OF TWO EEEEVILSSS !!! WAAAAHHHHHHHH !!!!

92. ms_xeno - 1 September 2008

#34: Democrats ARE “intolerant hypocrites.” Clinton I, the serial adulterer, lecturing welfare moms and queers about their alleged immorality, and either openly punishing them or smugly egging on those who did.

They deserve whatever they get. >:

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 September 2008

91 – You forgot NADER!!!!!

RFLMAO

94. aemd - 1 September 2008

Damn, popcorn, drama and panty sniffing. WooHoo. Too much mud and muck aflyin’ to take sober.

Popcorn stocks look good but seems a beer run is needed. Any request?

Funny (?) timing on the PFF shut down and delete all records thing…..

😉

95. CSTAR - 1 September 2008

#91 Ugh Who can ever forget what Bill Clinton did to Jocelyn Elders, after her comment on masturbation.

96. ms_xeno - 1 September 2008

I thought Democrats loved virginity, or at least chastity, Madman.

Oh, wait. That’s only for chicks. If Nader were a chick, he’d be President now, or at least Pope.

[roll on snare drum]

But I kid the Democrats. Thanks. I’ll be here all week.

97. marisacat - 1 September 2008

gnu thred

LINK

…………….. 8) ………………….

98. NYCee - 1 September 2008

On the non-viability of universal healthcare, the need to go single payer – Good piece linked, by Hedges, Madman. I saw him say he is voting Nader in recent interview, think on BookTV.

Whatzizface, Lawrence O’Donnell (finally, I recall a name!) who does know the Senate/Congressional workings, having worked there, has emphatically stated, when the talk went to health plans of Hillary v Obama v Edwards, that NO universal healthcare legislation will blossom, fuggedaboutit, no matter who gets in. And he was just talking universal, a la Obama. A la anyone.

Re Palin. Well, if her kid ‘oddly’ has a miscarriage, then the rumors will seem more likely that she had Trig. Who knows. Or maybe she’ll furtively adopt a freshborn infant and take care of both. I say let’s wait for the one and only one who can and will ferret out the truth – the National Enquirer! I expect reporters dressed like potted palms in some hotel lobby will finalize this, sooner or later…

(Oh, just a side note: Ted Bundy, iirc, also had the Grandma as Ma, Ma as sister, hoax played on him.)

Saw the Moyers’ show, and yeah, Marisa, Katrina VH was particularly annoying. She redbulled her way across the whole show, disallowing the more reserved prof from finishing in his own due time, a courtesy he did allow her. Was good to hear from him on BO, what little was possible. His point about no left movement — to push Obama to sanity, once ensconced in the WH — was so – sadly – true. The one Katrina kept babbling about.

99. marisacat - 1 September 2008

94

Truly awful. And Lani Guinier too. I loved it that she got her book out ONE YEAR TO THE DAY.

I like to point out that HillBill called Dick Morris (they sympathise with toe sucking apparently) upon his fall, but never a call to Jocelyn or Lani.

100. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I have put up several writings and posts (others, not just my assessment) that make it clear, there will NOT be any health care. Replete with quotes from senators and reps, it is off the table. Their excuse? The war.

But anyone watching saw that coming. And of course the wars will nto end.

101. NYCee - 1 September 2008

I caught a snippet of one of the gazillion times Obama peddles his healthcare plan, a fresh moment (for a stale con?) and I did notice that he stumbled a bit, just ever so slightly. He lacked the conviction (passion missing from the promise) and rolling on verbiage that he often has when talking on points he really can and will deliver, eg, HOPE. I am beginning to notice this occurs when he seems to be knowingly bullshitting or uncomfortable with a line he should be shouting from the rooftops.

Noticed the latter in his speech at the convention, the line where he said blah blah blah … ending with something like ” a war they lied us into” … something that really should have been said with force (ie, it’s impeachable, stupid!) and big exclamation points. Instead, he let his voice get very low key and pedestrian, it was wan. Might have been saying Bush lied about getting a parking ticket once …

Really sucks, that.

102. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Obama failed badly at the heatlth forum, last summer. In fact in August 07 (and this was reported) his eople were trying to find a way to pull back on debates and small fora. He needs that teleprompter and a script. Sorry that is not a racist comment.

Then Valerie Jarrett ramped upher involvment, his JJ dinner speech (love your enemy crap) rolled out… big promo in the press… and upswing was happening. Then Hillary stumbled on immigrant drivers licenses. Spitzer pulled back on it.

And the rest is sort of recent hsitory.

He should be prepping for the debates. (Remember the Rick Warren event?) I kind of doubt it.

He should have agreed to a small number (not 10, but maybe 2 or three) of unmoderated towhhalls with McCain. He did not. So he could get a feel for it before the big Three.

Good luck to someone.

103. NYCee - 1 September 2008

The fewer times he has to state promises he knows he wont keep, the more comfortable he stays, perhaps.

McCain is an older hand at it. No sweat.


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