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Peyton Place: Welcome to it…….. 1 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Abortion Rights, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Sex / Reproductive Health, WAR!.
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This will ratchet up. I have no idea where it ends. But in my experience, the R do not cave. The Dems seem t be running at full pitch (“Bristol the Pistol” and “that tart”… and on and on). Wonder if Ob and Knob are? Running at full pitch, that is… Biden, aka Knob, has his golf clubs with him on the trail and has already ditched stumping, at least twice.

Bravo! Dems. Bravo! Republicans.

Carry on, call if you bleed. I just want to watch.

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1. marisacat - 1 September 2008

hmm I really do not see the R caving to the Dems. Winger and R sites are very calm.

This is the Dems on steroids. Poor dears. They have to fight a 17 year old.

Good going guys.

2. marisacat - 1 September 2008

pushing incest again. Can it get uglier? H0w small are the Democrats?

3. NYCee - 1 September 2008

Well, she certainly didnt teach choice to her daughter, did she? Unless she is a screaming hypocrite. And she doesnt favor sex education, only abstinence… only. I dont think she is cause celebre material, at least not the women’s choice. Her daughter’s life may be irrevocably damaged by taking this “choice,” er, rather, taking this one path she has been conditioned she must go down… if she ends up pregnant, which she has.

Following the link to Sullivan’s blog, I see he has posted at least one post that says back off… on his fp… And I dont see anything on the DK rec list that goes after her on the pregnancy at present. Not with froth and hellfire. The talk radio program youre hearing may get the whipped up zealots, as with rightwing radio show fans.

But what the hell did Palin expect, anyway, going for vp in this country and climate, knowing her 17 yr old daughter was pregnant? Privacy? Silence? Smooth sledding to the finish line? Good luck. She really is clueless.

4. Heather-Rose Ryan - 1 September 2008

Hey, NYCee, you are enabling this disgusting mess.

So who are you at DKos? Tell us. I know I know you 🙂

5. Heather-Rose Ryan - 1 September 2008

3 –

Following the link to Sullivan’s blog, I see he has posted at least one post that says back off… on his fp…

Where is that, exactly? I looked, and found nothing.

Link?

6. marisacat - 1 September 2008

NYCee

I know next to nothing of their family life. A boat load got unloaded. I have no answers none. But to know that as Oriana Fallaci said of Berlusconi and prodi she would nto sneeze on herself and vote for either.

I hear the Dems screams and insults. I am sorry I have not been to Dkos but to read the one most famous diary and posted comments from others. I see some tempered posts on right wing and R sites. Of course they wish to support the game plan.

The official statemtn is that she chose to keep the baby. I ahve no fucking clue.

It is the DEMAND for gynecological records that I find offensive. Sully is but one part of it. If he has some “step bakc” fluff and stuff onhis FP, well that is sweet.

And i have indicated that I am lsitening to a Dem connected (I am in a machine town) talk radio that is going non-stop. I offered the link. well they may be nuts but they speak a lot better than the usual run on Cspan.

This is like the ad “pie” on Dkos .. I don’t see ads, but after months of slamming women and abortion on the FP I saw the ad and got the message.

Bristol the Pistol.. hmm.

7. Heather-Rose Ryan - 1 September 2008

3, NYCee:

But what the hell did Palin expect, anyway, going for vp in this country and climate, knowing her 17 yr old daughter was pregnant? Privacy?

So, anyone who runs for office must deal with the fact that their children’s sexual behavior will be used against them?

8. marisacat - 1 September 2008

I dont think she is cause celebre material,

Don’t worry, she is not my cause celebre. NONE of them are

9. intermittentbystander - 1 September 2008

3 – Going for the veepessaship was pretty wildly unfair to both teens, on that I would have to agree. (Assuming the babydaddy’s a kid, too.)

The dk list calmed down after O’s marching orders were delivered.

But eager beaver-sniffers were berry busy (and relatively unfettered, for the venue) before then. (Check parent diary for undeleted, unbanned, and “light-hearted” humor.)

Gah.

Can’t believe I have to work tomorrow. Don’t suppose I could call in with quantum flux.

10. marisacat - 1 September 2008

Hell karel on KGO is saying attackcing the underage daughter is PAY BACK for what they did to Bill.

Geesh.

11. marisacat - 1 September 2008

9

well what of Ob, absent from his duaghers lives? God knows Michelle cannot shut about it. From the get go.

ANd Biden, took the oath of office at the bedisde of his suddenly motherless sons in the hospital.

12. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

9 – Going for the veepessaship was pretty wildly unfair to both teens, on that I would have to agree. (Assuming the babydaddy’s a kid, too.)

Why?

Why would it be worse to subject your kids to being the kids of a Veep if one of them happened to be pregnant?

13. marisacat - 2 September 2008

You know I did not supprot Hillary either. despite so many accusations that I did (Hair CLub and donkeytale had a cottage industry over at PFF, as well as Devore). Not my cause nor my celebre… But I sure the fuck go tit when the slams and hatred moved far beyond her.

14. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

11- well what of Ob, absent from his duaghers lives? God knows Michelle cannot shut about it. From the get go.

Well if she’s been saying this, then good for her.

15. lucid - 2 September 2008

The interview I saw on CNN today was beyond offensive. A woman asking a Mccain staffer ‘how can you say that Palin is ready for prime time when she is willing to put her pregnant teenage daughter into the crosshairs’ – ‘Doesn’t that compromise her judgment?’

um… why not ask of the Republican party why they don’t support birth control and sex ed?

16. marisacat - 2 September 2008

I thinnk one thing that is going n between the parties, for which Palin is, or may be, a proxy fight, is that the Dems felt it was to be their turn. Perhaps it is really their turn. Cleaner war, feeding missions, lots of chit chat about Save the Children (frist and Cokie Roberts moved to lead it, about a year ago) Neat War. Religious war. Ob a good face for AFRICOM

I have thought that BOTH Hillary and McC were a threat to the smooth hand over to the Dems. Ob si controllable (errand boy in that he has no personal power, NONE) but hillary and McC less so. Hillary out, McC is the rogue elephant. He and his may not be controllable, they may nto step aside. Maybe the Bushes don’t really agree to some hand over to the Dems..

I am pretty well where Dennis Perrin is, but I retian [a healthy] respect for old crazy pols. Like McC, becaue I have lvied under so many of them. America likes them.

As much as I would enjoy seeing that, I seriously doubt that McCain/Palin will win. No, my friends, we will be saddled with competent imperialism, a smooth managerial form of mass murder and exploitation, as liberals applaud and salute the flag, finally free to show their superior patriotism. The cheers and tears at INVESCO Field as Obama promised more war was only the first stanza. Since then, at various liberal sites, numerous commenters rehearse their pro-war tunes, preparing to assume their role as Obama’s obedient chorus. Eight years of bottled rage is pouring out, blood is in the air, and the Savage Mules file their teeth into enamel stilettos.

17. marisacat - 2 September 2008

15

well Dems fund abstinence and they cut BC suibsidies in the last budget bill.

A judge had to rule out here in CA to not hve Medical payments slahsed 10%.

The Dems worked to re elect Arnold so they would nto be responsible.

Where does it end?

It is not one party.

18. CSTAR - 2 September 2008

I recently saw “La Mujer de mi Hermano” a latin american movie which has little to recommend it. The plot is trivial, and utterly predictable, or it least it should have been to me. However, the musical score (the only redeeming quality of the film) added an element of drama and intrigue which certainly fooled me. I was expecting more to the narrative than just a banal latin telenovela about the wealthy that have too much time on there hands. TaiTai got a little irritated at my Netflix choice.

The current political drama is a little like that..there is a metanarrative element of tension, which adds drama and expectation to the narrative. In the end, though the denouement will probably be trivial and disappointing. It’s a very bad telenovela, and maybe, we might be better renting something else.

Maybe, Krzysztof Piesiewicz’ “The Decalogue”, #7

From WIkipedia

Seven: Thou shalt not steal. A young woman (Maja Barelkowska) abducts her own child, who has been raised by her parents as her sister.

19. intermittentbystander - 2 September 2008

Why would it be worse to subject your kids to being the kids of a Veep if one of them happened to be pregnant?

If you were pro-choice, it wouldn’t be worse (at least in theory). But if you’re an anti-choice banner-waver, it seems to me the cross-hairs you’ve lined up for the kid are several times more fucked.

Just a thought.

20. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Well Ob told us the culture wars were the past and he would unite us. Anthony lake and Smanatha told us his DNA will heal us. he said the oceans will recede and poverty will be cured.

So far, so good. Wonder what his golf handicap is.

Listening to CRose. The political round table.

21. lucid - 2 September 2008

I’m not laying that on a party… just the media. Isn’t that the obvious question? Why is it that you are opposed to BC and Sex Ed? Why is there a child of an upper middle class kid that is pregnant at 17? Doesn’t it happen to have something to do with the failure of this country to provide sex ed to our kids?

The dems are equally complicit in this. They love talking ‘abstinence’ – they love pretending that teaching kids about sex when they get their first pubes will somehow encourage them to have sex.

All I would want from a media is an honest question. Do you think there is a relationship between the 17 year woman’s pregnancy and the fact that this country has no will to teach children sex ed or make BC readily available to minors?

That’s all I want – and it would indict O’Biden as equally as McPalin.

22. marisacat - 2 September 2008

19

Al Hunt says groups he talks to are fine with Palin and the fmaily issues but that Dems are not. LOL. A lot of Independent never were Dems, a lot were R. Who knows.

I myself think that R float above the Dem ankle biting, however ugly and shrill.

They don’t give in. Unless anyone thinks Bush will pay or Delay will pay or Hastert will pay. Or any of the others, or that it has been anything much but a full on partnership for the past 8 years. All the Dems wnat is the key to the meat locker.

23. intermittentbystander - 2 September 2008

BTW – This thought for the pregnant teen was not reserved for a maternal veepessa.

Agree that all young kids of preznidential pol candidates get their trials of sacrificial altar-ation.

24. marisacat - 2 September 2008

well media is complicit. Fully.

25. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

18 – I don’t think I’m going to rent that Piesiewicz flick – sounds snoozewothy,

26. marisacat - 2 September 2008

I can see the big new bugaboo about palin working as well. that she dallied with the Alaska Ind Party, a secession and states rights party in the 90s.

McC threw a wild ball.

Halperin says she is popular in STPaul but McC is insane.

This is news? LOL

27. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

19 – I don’t get that. Can you explain?

“Pro-choice” is about deciding if you want to have an abortion or not. It has nothing to do with teen pregnancy.

28. marisacat - 2 September 2008

23

but media and opratives and pundits are x examing to the nth degree a woman. LOL I won’t be forgetting g “Ovary Office” any time soon

ugh joints in both arms, fingers are gone. prollyhave to hang it up for the nigiht

29. lucid - 2 September 2008

27 – but it does impact whether or not one would support their 17 year old daughter getting an abortion. While choice itself has nothing to do with teen pregnancy, the situation of a family putting pressure on their kid to carry one to term certainly has something to do with choice. That’s all I think IB was saying.

30. marisacat - 2 September 2008

well an abortion is the expedient thing, if you wish to go on anonymously. I cannot believe that no teen ever was not pressured into one. Rather like I never refute, or deny, the spitting on returning soldiers. This is a big, reactionary, often hateful and hatefilled coutnry. What news!! I just don’t BLAME the left.

I sreu have no idea what their private discussions were.

And let’s not forget people are counting on their fingers to prove BOTH babies are the daughter’s.

31. lucid - 2 September 2008

nor do I… point taken. And again – it should not be an issue [which I said before].

However, I do despise hypocrites. And while SP is not a hypocrite because her political views would prefer 17 year old women to be barefoot and pregnant, maybe that point should be brought to light – not through her daughter, but through her positions as an established politician.

32. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

28 – well let’s face it, the vast majority of our society has a nasty hostility toward women and it goes MUCH deeper than racism.

Lennon said it :

Woman is the Nigger of the World

Woman is the slave to the slaves.

“If you don’t believe me, take a look at the one you’re with”

That was the Lennon stroke of genius. LOL!

33. marisacat - 2 September 2008

31

Well the Democrats ARE raising her ideologies. But to enhance themselves, bleat that only they can save abortion and thus save women. They say. And bring up their bottomline, sub prime scam, the SC.

Right, the war is only R.

It all falls apart. All of it does.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 2 September 2008

27 – Pro-choice encompasses other reproductive freedoms, too, don’t you think? Sex ed, contraception, family planning?

A politician raising a teen without support for those choices (or at least while holding vocal public stances against those choices), then forcing the girl to play the role of unwed Juno as a national political surprise (with no chance for even ordinary levels of pregteen privacy) seems rather a lot to ask of a daughter for your own political ambitions, even without draping a special-needs infant of debatable provenance on top of her, at the bigscreen debut.

Just as a human matter.

35. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Perrin.. who tours lib blahgsnottery a lot more than I do.

[W]atching the libsphere in hysterics over Sarah Palin has been entertaining, and no attack on her is considered too low or too coarse to post in a comments section. Apart from her reactionary positions, the main lib beef, as I recently noted, is with her inexperience. Liberals demand seasoned insiders like Joe Biden to help guide the empire, someone who can properly manage the machinery of state, bomb the right countries, spy on the right people, and above all, normalize imperial matters after eight years of “wrong” turns. Palin is an affront to their sense of professionalism. Thus the constant abuse. ::slap snap::

36. lucid - 2 September 2008

But they never raise them honestly. They never raise them from the standpoint of autonomy over the body or equality. They raise them from the standpoint of exploiting individuals.

They can’t save abortion. It’s already gone, as we all know. All they can do is pretend they care about ‘choice’, and fluff as many women through the backdoor as they can with the rhetoric of protecting Roe, despite the fact that there are now 2 rulings that have already overturned it.

I want someone… anyone, to raise that point honestly. Not gonna happen.

37. marisacat - 2 September 2008

34

well one can rummage thru the main R sites… there is a case out there that she is milder than Dems paint her. That she is pro contraception, for one. How does anyone sort thru the family mores of someone unknown?

If I had time health and strength I’d rumble thru it. What is up at the sites, I mean. I did put up a post, Wwekly Standard, about the trooper issue as that is of a differnt type, imo.

Do I doubt their simpering mildness?

Yeah I do.

Well conservatives and siocial wingers will continue to have children and run for office. And most will hide the “mistakes” there were stories years ago, that Jenna Bush had had two abortions.

I am basically unclear on WHY the pregnant child is the issue, to the extent she is… . Her family did not hide her, she was with her mother on the stage. But she is. Far more so than the family’s or the mother’s stands. Which are not fully clear.

I cannot sort it out at hsi point.

38. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

34. what a crock of shit. “forcing”? How do you know what went on in that family?

Readers, note the concept of sacrificing your family for your “political ambitions”. Funny how this mainly comes up when we’re discussing female poilicians.

without draping a special-needs infant of debatable provenance on top of her

Wow, that’s beyond tasteless. Congratulations.

39. marisacat - 2 September 2008

But they never raise them honestly.

well yeah. Neither party is an honest broker of anythng in this country.

If the HHS planned changes go thru, we are all screwed.; That will be federal, like the SC ban of a medical procedure. And the Dems will not do much about it… if Bush EOs it before he leaves office.

40. Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 September 2008

35- “seasoned insiders like Joe Biden”

Oh holy shit. Are we so stupid?

41. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Do we have to prove the provenance of the baby? Like an item for auction? Do we? Because there are sites and threads that are tracking the mother from Dallas to Wassilla on the day of the birth, to be SURE. Iguess so they can sleep.

Then Sully needs to be in the room when the gynoclologiacl exam is done. he really does. And Clemons. And Kos. And whomever else.

I tell you we are headed back to the old panels for abortion permission. We rreally are.

42. marisacat - 2 September 2008

40

well I thnkk Biden was chosen to grease the way. Jsut as Kennedy and Caroline took a look at the game plan, ground plan and decided to grease the way. Not that ob won any of the states where they worked for him.

We are mired in an elderly political class. LOL Ob and SP are our HOPE

we are so fucking scrwed.

43. Intermittent Bystander - 2 September 2008

38 – Okay, forcing was too strong a verb. And sure, maybe the daughter was given Our Bodies, Our Selves at age 12, was driven to Planned Parenthood at 14, and then at 17 was presented with absolute veto power over her mother’s choice to accept a run for VP. (How would you feel about that, HeatherRose? Wouldn’t that infringe on the professional choices of her mother?) But pardon my skepticism concerning the teen’s personal power, not to mention range of choices, as a player in this melodrama, and forgive my expressing some mild sympathy for her plight.

note the concept of sacrificing your family for your “political ambitions”.
Readers, note the leap to a knee-jerk conclusion!

special-needs infant of debatable provenance on top of her
Wow, that’s beyond tasteless. Congratulations.

Thanks! It was my attempt to aggregate and distill some of the sentiments on display around the blogs and MSM comment sections today. The teenager’s pregnancy was revealed by MCPalin in direct response to all the debating that was going on about the provenance of the infant (and rumors about the teen) as soon as the family was introduced. The Dem ob-gyn speculation (apparently a continuation of Alaskan Republican/Independent speculation) has been tasteless indeed.

44. Intermittent Bystander - 2 September 2008

Check Adam Nagourney in the NYT this morning: In Political Realm, ‘Family Problem’ Emerges as Test.

Mr. McCain’s campaign, which has shown itself adept at handling the news media, tried to influence coverage of the disclosure by releasing it as Hurricane Gustav was slamming into the Gulf Coast. (The Palin news was not mentioned on the “CBS Evening News” until 15 minutes into the newscast). It was also by every appearance tucked into a series of problematic tidbits released about Ms. Palin’s past, including news that her husband, Todd, was arrested for driving while impaired in 1986.

“We are going to flush the toilet,” said Tucker Eskew, who is a senior adviser to Ms. Palin, describing the campaign’s plans for Labor Day, when much of the nation was busy with family and social activities.

The Tastelessness Race for the Bottom continues!

45. marisacat - 2 September 2008

well no one ever called politics elevated. Seems an appropriate comment.

46. Intermittent Bystander - 2 September 2008

From the same AdNags story above:

“When you combine the special-needs infant with the pregnant teen, some voters might wonder why she is pursuing political ambitions at the expense of maternal or family responsibilities,” said Don Sipple, a Republican strategist and past adviser to George W. Bush in Texas.

That is particularly true if it is followed by more disclosures about Ms. Palin. And that is one thing that delegates are worried about as the portrait of this unknown woman plucked from Alaska is filled in in the days and weeks ahead.

The LA Times (Pregnancy of Sarah Palin’s daughter shakes up McCain campaign) has more details on the vetting process, more or less outs the teen father, and has more echo echo on on the optics of it all:.

“The choice of Palin is either brilliant or a colossal screw-up on the part of John McCain,” said independent political analyst Charles Cook. “Are people going to say, ‘Gee, she’s a regular person coping with problems just like us?’ Or are people going to say, ‘How can she possibly run for vice president with everything going on her life?’ ”

Citing a legislative investigation into Palin’s firing of the state public safety commissioner — a matter allegedly linked to a family dispute — Cook suggested: “She can’t take on a whole lot more water.”

Gotta run.

47. NYCee - 2 September 2008

HRH, re 4 and 5.

What odd responses.

Saying what I said here is “enabling”? What? If you care to point out exactly what I said that enables exactly what, I will reconsider. I said that it wasnt as turbulent out there, when I took a look, as what I heard described here (re pitchforks and torches heading toward the medical records vault of the Palins). If I see it, I’ll say it, if I’m not engaged saying something else. Or nothing at all. Okay?

As for my name on DKos, what the hell is that about? I dont much care for that query, so I’ll leave it to you to sleuth your way to unmasking the cryptic chameleon, or digging up whatever bright shiny finds you wish to pounce upon. If you can master that momentous task, I am sure you can find the AS blog post I referenced. It is right there, on the page to which you led me.

In responding to someone else here, you said “forcing” her to have the child was crap. Well, respond to what I said, which was not forced but “conditioned.” And “pressured” is also not a word that is an unlikely fit here, although who knows what sort of hypocrisy is engaged in behind closed doors. And if you dont think parental conditioning is powerful, I suggest a crash course in Psych. 101.

48. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Marisa: Good point re a pregnant teen could be pressured to not have a baby, too – to have an abortion when she really would not choose, IF given the choice (which is done to save family “face” etc ). No argument there. That too can have very bad consequences, can be very damaging.

As I said, it is truly about choice.

49. marisacat - 2 September 2008

LOL I will say one thing that I cheerfully admit to, sometimes when someone slaps back at whomever in this fucked run, I do get a laugh out of it.

via Kristol:

McCain aides whose judgment I trust are impressed by Sarah Palin. One was particularly amused by this exchange: A nervous young McCain staffer took it upon himself to explain to Palin the facts of life in a national campaign, the intense scrutiny she’d be under from the media, the viciousness of the assault that she’d be facing, etc.:

Palin: “Thanks for the warning. By the way, do you know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a Pit Bull?”

McCain aide: “No, Governor.”

Palin: “A hockey mom wears lipstick.”

One reason for that response, a hearty laugh on my part, is that imo Obama is a pretty standard issue hack pol, dressed, quite actively by a party of hacks and connivers, in his skin color (disagree with him and be accused of racism) then bathed in a religious glow.

Which glow I find to be quite radioactive.

And ”hockey mom” reminds me that one of the radioactive “soccer moms” in the Dem party is that perky blonde from WA, who was dispatched by DC along with Inslee to crush the instate moves to impeachment. Gotta love the gangs, ooops, I am sure i mean bona fide political parties. Yes, surely i meant that… LOL

None of the above is to be construed as support of either Palin or Hillary, or their plumbing. For anyone who is still confused.

50. JJB - 2 September 2008

Don’t know if anyone else has commented on this, but it seems the McCain people in charge of vetting Governor Palin didn’t actually set foot in Alaska until the day before she was announced as his running mate. Apparently, McCain really wanted either Lieberman or Ridge, with Ridge being the preferred among those two, but their view on abortion (they favor it being legal if not necessarily available), caused the fundies to yell and scream enough that it was decided they couldn’t go with either of those two.

If they’d shown up a bit earlier, they would not have been in the dark about the daughter’s being pregnant, which seems to have been well-known in the little town where Sarah P. once served as mayor.

It also seems odd that this method of proving that the baby born in April was not the Governor’s grandchild was used. Statements from the attending physician and nurses would no doubt have sufficed, in sworn affidavits if need be. The reaction to this seems very curious. Why not denounce Kos and Drudge, threaten them with lawsuits, demand advertisers drop them, etc.? As it is, she looks like a conniving, grasping individual with a lust for higher office excessive even by the standards of politicians, and McCain looks like an idiot who made an extraordinarily rash decision without informing himself as to who and what she was. This could turn into the same farce that plagued the McGovern campaign once they discovered the truth about Thomas Eagleton’s electroshock treatments.

Anyway, good luck to the young couple, they’re going to need it.

51. aemd - 2 September 2008

Ioz on the “oft-prego chick”.

“Now the shoe is on the other foot, glove on the other hand, vice on the other versa, and die-hard partisans like the above-cited want us to contemplate the horror of having some oft-prego chick twirling her hair and reading US Weekly while the barbarians are at the gate. (And I’m cynical, a nihilist! Yoy.) We live in uncertain times. I bet someone’s going to haul out the Existentialist Threat any moment now. “Can you trust Sarah Palin to escalate the war in Afghanistan?” “

52. JJB - 2 September 2008

51,

Speaking of US Weekly, this apparently is their latest cover, which I saw while over at Duncan Black’s site.

53. marisacat - 2 September 2008

As it is, she looks like a conniving, grasping individual with a lust for higher office excessive even by the standards of politicians, and McCain looks like an idiot who made an extraordinarily rash decision without informing himself as to who and what she was. This could turn into the same farce that plagued the McGovern campaign once they discovered the truth about Thomas Eagleton’s electroshock treatments.

Which is svery clearly the party line.

well the Dp has a good way to while away weeks, as Biden ditches ob on the trail.

Just saw thsi at TAPPED (Dana Goldstein), clear to me why the DP is running hot and scared over Palin. (that is nto an endorsement of her)

The blogosphere has been awash in suggestions that Sarah Palin will be widely viewed as politically inexperienced, a lightweight beauty queen, and even a bad mother. But today polling is out, and it shows Palin has made a great first impression on the American public; she is viewed favorably by 78 percent of Republicans, 26 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of unaffiliated voters. Compare that to a roll-out favorability rating of just 43 percent for Joe Biden. Women seem to be more skeptical of Palin than men, but that is to be expected; on average, women are more skeptical of all conservative politicians and policies than men are. ::snip::

Do I think polling (they link to the Rasmussen poll in the post) is the end all be all, no I don’t.

I say have at her, as hard and nasty as can be. I doubt the liberals, such as they are, can harness a good chew at a public profile woman. And that has proved out for a woman of either party. Liberal sites ae already saying (one is TAPPED, Lemieux): oh that meaness, that was all Sully! he’s not a liberal. No but he is a fellow traveller this season.

The only real question is can she surf and survive the interviews and public access, reporter Q and A time coming up. Be interesting to watch. She won’t be able to do what both Ob and McC are currently doing, shafting the pool as much as they can (many reports for weeks now).

I hope these numbers serve as a wake-up call for both the national media and the liberal blogosphere. Independent pro-choice women won’t be taken in by McCain’s pandering choice, but that doesn’t mean the American public will respond kindly to the vilification of this woman. She is attractive, and a working mom doing one of the most difficult jobs in the world — raising a child with a disability. Yes, she is a former beauty queen who made it in politics. Most Americans will say, “Good for her,” not, “OMG WTF!!! She’s not qualified!” They will see themselves and people they know in Palin, her family, and their story.

54. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

46.

“Are people going to say, ‘Gee, she’s a regular person coping with problems just like us?’ Or are people going to say, ‘How can she possibly run for vice president with everything going on her life?’ ”

They had that discussion on The View today (of which I am not a regular viewer but I just happened to catch it). Elizabeth Annoyingashellback (that younger blonde conservative woman) and Sherri (sp?) (clueless AA woman) were positive that the fact Palin has parented 5 kids is pretty much experience enough to be VP. At that point, my head exploded.

This is how the Repubs will play it (same as the Dems do): you can talk about family/children all you want to if it enhances your candidate’s story but say anything negative and you are damned to hell for eternity. If Obama really thought children were “off limits”, why has he trotted his out in interviews?

55. JJB - 2 September 2008

Getting a “This Page Cannot Be Displayed” message when I try to post something. This happened once before, I think the comment went to Spam.

56. marisacat - 2 September 2008

LOL

I bet someone’s going to haul out the Existentialist Threat any moment now. “Can you trust Sarah Palin to escalate the war in Afghanistan?” “ —aemd

well the thing is, Ob can be trusted to do that. A very big part of hsi campaign is to ramp up Afhganistan and Pakistan and a line from his 50 yard line splutter was “coming conflicts”.

Good luck to someone.

57. marisacat - 2 September 2008

oops I mean IOZ via aemd

SORRY!

58. JJB - 2 September 2008

The comment that won’t get posted was a response to aemd’s no. 51. IOZ mention of US Weekly is timely, since the latest issue features Governor Palin on the cover, and is, shall we say, not terribly sympathetic. You can check it out here at Duncan Black’s site.

59. marisacat - 2 September 2008

catnip

I caught a little fo The View as I cooked in the kitchen. Sherri also let drop that she only sees her son on the weekends. He lives in LA, I guess with the father, she does The View from NYC (or a studio in NJ, LOL)

60. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

The reaction to this seems very curious. Why not denounce Kos and Drudge, threaten them with lawsuits, demand advertisers drop them, etc.?

I’ve given some thought to that situation. First of all, the can’t sue Drudge because he just linked to dkos. (Okay, there might be a case there but it seems to me the main target would be dkos because the diarist ARCIX (or whatever) called Palin a liar and stated as a fact that the DS baby was not the mother’s).

I’m missing The Bold and the Beautiful for this?

Anyway, I see 2 possibilities:

1. As some kossacks speculated when those ARC diaries were posted, the author could have been a RW plant. Look what happened – it got what was obviously going to be a very controversial story out right off the bat after the announcement of Palin as VP pick. (Whiny kossacks are now saying it wasn’t their fault – the rumours were already out there – but, afaik, no one else stated it as a fact.)

2. Palin can just wait til later to sue. Why add fuel to the fire now? She has plenty of time to deal with this.

Lastly, they managed to take a dig at the “liberal blogs” when they announced young Palin’s pregnancy and CNN has shown that dkos diary repeatedly on screen. Mission accomplished. The so-called left is demonized and Palin is a victim. Game, set, match.

61. marisacat - 2 September 2008

58

I jsut got it out of spam. It does take ma a few minutes. Sorry for that.

62. marisacat - 2 September 2008

I for one am underwhelmed by the US News cover. Seems typical.

63. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

And I’ll just add this: I hope young Bristol has more sense than to name her kid after a branch of mathematics. Trig? Sheesh. Also, it seems she was named after a pharmaceutical company, so who knows what her poor kid may have to suffer with if the grandparents have their way in the naming game?

64. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

And I wished they’d (the collective “they”) would stop calling dkos “liberal”.

65. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Why would she or shuld she sue? In terms of herself. She is a public person. i could see a suit in terms of the minor child. Who has been maligned to the nth degree. That I CAN see, but who knows if anyone would bother.

And no hurry with it.

66. marisacat - 2 September 2008

63

well I hesitate to add this as it willb e perveived as furtherance of a cuase celebre but Trig is Norse for “strength”. Apparently why they chose the name.

67. JJB - 2 September 2008

MCat,

That’s not US News, it’s US Weekly, the supermarket checkout gossip rag. The IOZ quote in no. 51 includes a mention of it, but apparently he hadn’t yet seen the one that (I assume) is about to hit the stands.

68. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

59.

Sherri also let drop that she only sees her son on the weekends. He lives in LA, I guess with the father, she does The View from NYC (or a studio in NJ, LOL)

I missed that. Must have happened when my head exploded. From what I’ve seen of that woman, she’s dumber than a bag of hammers.

69. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Ihave no idea what the link go es to, but supposedly the Bristol is for Bristol Bay where the family has a commercial fisheries operation.

70. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

63. I was kidding. 🙂

71. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

69. Ihave no idea what the link go es to, but supposedly the Bristol is for Bristol Bay where the family has a commercial fisheries operation.

Bristol Meyers Squibb. (Let’s hope those aren’t her middle names.)

72. marisacat - 2 September 2008

68

oh yeah Sherri is all about god and her pastor. I think the ultimate was some long slobber one day about all her abortions before she got Jesus. And that someone comforted her that when she goes to heaven they will all be there and greet her as Mama.

Talk abuit heds exploding.

73. JJB - 2 September 2008

no. 60,

The GOP isn’t coming out on top in this. McCain’s campaign team, and the candidate himself, looks ridiculous. If they did initiate it, it’s backfired. Unless you want to add a further layer of Machiavellian cynicism and say they wanted to add Palin so the choice would be torpedoed, and they McCain could name one of the two people he really wants.

And Palin’s real problem is going to come from the investigation into her possible abuse of power, which is going to burn up whatever time she has later when she could theoretically deal with this.

They all look like amateurs, and their chance to impress the public with their convention is being ruined.

74. marisacat - 2 September 2008

OK I am underhwlmed by US Weekly cover.

Seems standard.

75. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

72. And that someone comforted her that when she goes to heaven they will all be there and greet her as Mama.

That’s a new one on me. Holy crap. Literally.

76. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Does that include all of those discarded embryos too? Man that place is gonna be crowded. Good thing I don’t believe in heaven.

77. CSTAR - 2 September 2008

# 63 Excuse Me?? As a practicing mathematician myself I think you are completely misguided in considering names of branches of mathematics as unsuitable for children. How about “Cohomology”, “Fibre Bundle”, Covariance, Vector, Functor,… There are so many choices.

78. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

73. The GOP isn’t coming out on top in this.

The Republicans approved torture and it looks like the Repubs have a damn good chance of winning, regardless.

Never underestimate the absolute stupidity of the Republican voters.

79. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

77. Functor

I’m jotting that one down. Thanks!

80. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

And you can’t fool me, Vector and Fibre Bundle are breakfast cereals. 😉

81. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Well Dobbs who I cannot stand with his carefully crafted demeanor of fake populism is really pushing Palin. And slashing the “liberal” blowback. Spent a full hour on her on FOX radio. Read from Olbermann and whoever else…

Oh yeah that diary, the big one of several, at Dkos could easily have been a plant. But the comments went on and on, well over a thousand (thereabouts) when I looked.

82. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

lol:

On Saturday morning Barack Obama and his newly-minted running mate Joe Biden stopped at a diner outside of Youngstown, Ohio for some breakfast. Obama made a few brief comments to the press about Hurricane Gustav’s imminent threat before turning to greet diners. Five minutes later, it was Biden’s turn to be asked about the gathering storm. His answer was three times as long as Obama’s, and included details of his daughter’s time at Tulane University in New Orleans. As he kept talking, Obama, about 10 feet away, kept glancing over at Biden. For an awkward 20 seconds or so, the Democratic nominee looked a little concerned about Biden’s soliloquy. But soon enough, he left Biden alone, turning towards the door to chat with other patrons.

Obamalama later picked up a large dose of STFU for Joebama at a local drug store.

83. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

81. But the comments went on and on, well over a thousand (thereabouts) when I looked.

Nobody said they were all that bright over there.

84. marisacat - 2 September 2008

My parents went for a name that they felt could nto be shortened, to a nickanme. They rejected Gabriella and Alexandra based on Gabby and Alex.

LOL they gave me a name that hardly anyone in America could spell correcctl or pronounce correctly, even after having the simple pronunciation explained.. Never occurred to them… LOL

85. marisacat - 2 September 2008

82

LOL I read he hooked up with a big donor (string of McDonalds) at the diner, and they went golfing (Biden has his clubs iwth him).

My own guess, Biden used that time productively FOR HIMSELF. And no one else.

What a laugh it all is.

86. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Dobbs has an anti Palin screamer online now.

LOL

87. marisacat - 2 September 2008

AND that caller moved on to bitch at Hillary for running too long against Ob.

how dare a pol operate as a tank… mvoing out onto the battlefield.

HAVE TO LOVE IT.

88. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Her pastor is an endtimer, bigtime, too. God had better be behind this war, says she! Oh, but He is, says he.

Now let us pray.

Yes, let’s.

89. NYCee - 2 September 2008

One mo’ for this page turner…

Sarah once was a frustrated book burner!

And her pastor was a full blown Endtimer!

She’s attended sermons since 1999, led by this charming man of the cloth, Pastor Kalnins. Here is a bit of the history and his sweet Jesus views.

A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin’s longtime spiritual home.

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war “contending for your faith;” and said that Jesus “operated from that position of war mode.”

It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin’s thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

On Alaska’s place in the sun… during the Apocalypse.

In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.

He preaches repeatedly about the “end times” or “last days,” an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, “I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.”

90. marisacat - 2 September 2008

On the other hand we had Hillary adn The Family. Which earnest liberals so wished could becme a issue. And why did it not. Because Ob confessed to attending “some prayer” events with The Family.

We are deeply stuck in the religio shit.

Thanks to them all. Staring with Jimmie, in a big way. More is the shame.

91. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Have to say, Camp Obama’s defense was laughably lame, re his experience v hers. All about waaaay more people and money to manage in this campaign than she had to as mayor or gov.

Oh, like it is so comprehensively about those people’s lives, managing a campaign.

Really weak. They should erase and try again.

92. marisacat - 2 September 2008

They have pushed Obama as CEO of Camp Ob for many months now. I thughjt it was bad/creaky/a reach/etc when it rolled out. He himself jsut remade the case with Anderson Cooper, in the past couple of days.

KGO, Gil Gross at the RNC just had a flash of light: “Are we really discussing the womb of a 17 eyar old?”

Yeah you are, but then it was right on to, she needs to stay at home wth her troubled (trouble in River City!) family.

Such bullshit.

93. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

89.

“I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.”

Wrong. They’re already crowding into British Columbia as we speak…although that could be for the pot. Another toss up, I guess.

94. CSTAR - 2 September 2008

Terry Schiavo deja vu all over again.

Why don’t we call for a special session of congress to witness Bristol’s delivery? Ob could speak eloquently about how a sacred moment this is. Congress could pass in a bipartisan manner “Bristol’s Law” for whatever; the content of the law isn’t important, the name is what matters.

Reverend Wright and Dobson could officiate the ceremonies. Reach across the aisle so to speak. The Pope could even arrange a surprise visit to baptize the newborn. And then the Air Force could go bomb the hell out of Iran.

Je delire. I suppose I forgot to eat my fibre bundle this morning.

95. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Slate has

Name Bristol’s Baby… going.

96. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Lovely

KGO/Gil Gross (from the floor of the RNC): The mother has the breasts.

If peopel cannot see that this does blow past Palin, a partisan issue, and slap ALL WOMEN, they are missing what is happening.

97. marisacat - 2 September 2008

This seems odd. Claim that happy VP selection I followed the links and poked around in the long side bar list of Obama artifacts. Esp lapel pins and buttons and bumpersticker, where one would think he’d want ObamaBiden. AND I chekced out “State shirts”, not even DE said Obama Biden.

But no.

The McCain Camp Will Make a Fortune on Palin Merchandising

A reader notes, “I find it interesting that, three days after the pick, the McCain campaign store has 11 items with McCain-Palin… Ten days after picking Biden, the Obama store has no Obama-Biden merchandize. Is he that unwilling to share the spotlight, or maybe he is having second thoughts?”

98. diamina - 2 September 2008

“Palestinian Attack In Israel Part of God’s Judgment, Said Recent Guest At Palin’s Church”

http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=16

…and China might just be getting those Iraqi oil contracts:

http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=14

99. marisacat - 2 September 2008

When do you supposethe Democrats will get it?

ST. PAUL — Senator Joseph I. Lieberman’s speech tonight will likely be a testament to his deep alliance and friendship with Senator John McCain, but it also will likely fray even further — if not sever — his longstanding affiliation with the Democratic Party.

The Democrat-turned-independent senator from Connecticut had continued to caucus with Democrats in their most recent session before the summer break. And just last week Majority Leader Senator Harry Reid told the Las Vegas Review Journal that he was still resistant to the clamor from Democrats and liberal bloggers at sites like Liebermanmustgo.com to kick Mr. Lieberman out of his Democratic Senate positions.

“All my close votes, he’s always with me, whether it’s the budget or energy issues,” Mr. Reid said in the interview.

“No matter what it is, he’s always with us. He just does not vote right on Iraq. … Why would I want to throw away a good vote?
::snip::

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008

South Carolina sheriff buys tank to conduct raids

The Richland County, South Carolina Sheriff’s Department (that’s them above) just obtained an armored personnel carrier, complete with a belt-fed, .50-cal turreted machine gun. Sheriff Leon Lott has charmingly named the vehicle “The Peacemaker,” and insists that using a caliber of ammunition that even the U.S. military is reluctant to use against human targets (it’s generally reserved for use against armored vehicles) will “save lives.”

101. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Can’t they also mount a Jesus on The Cross on the tank? You know, for the full experiecne.

102. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Both Bristol and her young man (think they said Levi Johnston) will be in the audience Wed night when the mother accepts the nomination

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008
104. NYCO - 2 September 2008

I’m just waiting to see how the Dems are going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on this one. We have almost two whole months left!

‘Cause there’s one thing I do know: Like Hillary Clinton, Palin isn’t exactly going to knuckle under gently.

105. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008
106. NYCO - 2 September 2008

105. What are they protesting?

107. NYCee - 2 September 2008

# 104

I know. Same thought here. I would imagine she is very, VERY palin-table to a whole lotta folks. Dont know if McPal will get the gold, but it is definitely NOT out of the question. Palin has sexed up this race incredibly. Sexy sexy SEXY news. All Palin, all the time!

108. marisacat - 2 September 2008

tedious writer (he repeats himself), but he has got a grasp on what is happening. And yes, it is from Nashville

The revelation that 17 year-old Bristol Palin is pregnant will have an impact on this race, no question. Some “politically and culturally savvy” Republicans will no doubt question the already questionable pick and Democrats will pounce on the fact that, yet again, a socially conservative pol who cautions abstinence for others did not seem to instill those values in her own teenage daughter.

Couple this with the fact that Sarah Palin herself may not have had a ring on her finger when she conceived her first child and we have the makings of an political flashpoint which will not soon die down.

Make no mistake, whatever you think of Sarah Palin and how she runs her family, the fact that we now have a Vice Presidential nominee running for the second highest office in the land with teenage daughter set to give birth right around inauguration day is a big deal.

The attacks on Sarah and Bristol Palin, whether from sanctioned surrogates or not, will continue no matter what Barack Obama says. Campaigns in the internet age have had and will continue to have trouble containing their message and that is why, in the end, the Republican Party should be glad this happened.

Bristol Palin has single-handedly dealt the Republican Party its winning hand. With an economy in decline and an unpopular war started by Republicans, Bristol Palin’s unborn baby has now made the Culture War the focal point of this election. This is one ground and, in fact, the only ground on which Republicans can win this election.

109. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Mack’s Liebchen-man is up tonight. Ugh.

Speaking of which, according to Sidney Blumenthal, the Palin choice was wrested from a tug o war btw Mc and Rove, who wanted Liebchen and Mitt, respectively, as first choices. Palin was one they both agreed was okay for second pick.

McCain is such a stubborn old dude, I can imagine him unwilling to swallow the medicine, make nice with the Mittster on the surface, take the also-base-friendly, debate ready, Michigan-win-enabling, Sears’ catalog Romeo, cause he aint his bud, and maybe because he just might not thirst for bombombomb Iran like Mack does. And his Liebchen, too! (With these two, when it comes to the mideast, the phrase “war as a last resort” is blasphemy.)

So he picked Palin. And she was okay by Rove, too. And Rove is not stupid.

110. NYCO - 2 September 2008

108.

Bristol Palin’s unborn baby has now made the Culture War the focal point of this election. This is one ground and, in fact, the only ground on which Republicans can win this election.

Exactly.

And here we thought Obama was the second coming of the Messiah! Turns out he’s actually a wee babe in the womb to be born on Inauguration Day! Voters of America, how can you risk saying no to the baby Jesus?

111. NYCee - 2 September 2008

I like how some Republican woman, dyspeptic over BristolGate, appeared to experience mollification upon discovering the younguns were to get hitched. She said, Well, I felt fine once I heard she is getting married.

To Levi.

I got a free NY Post when I was out and about and opened to the piece on BristolGate, featuring him and his facebook. He was all, “fuck this, and I’ll fuck you up that,” in his quotes. He said he dont wanna get married or be a Dad, one of those two. But he really likes to kill shit.

Sounds promising. Ah well, I am sure he will grow into the job…

112. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Democrats shoulda seen it coming. Not in the details but in the reality that the R fight hard.

They best get busy with Obama- Biden 08 stuff and really sell their ticket.

I read McCain Palin will go to Michigan right out of the box at the close of the RNC.

I read at Geraghty there will be sweeping crescendos of defense and embrace of Palin in speeches thru the three days.

113. NYCO - 2 September 2008

Just wanted to say, at this point it reminds me of the scene in Ghostbusters where the government goon is arguing to shut down the containment grid. And the cops are arguing with him. And Egon and Ray and Venkman are quietly slinking out of the room, mouthing “BOOM.”

Maybe it’s time to slink out of the room.

114. NYCO - 2 September 2008

They best get busy with Obama- Biden 08 stuff and really sell their ticket.

Oh, you mean like this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d4_1219540193

115. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008

106 – taken at the RNC. MTV didn’t specify what group they were with.

116. marisacat - 2 September 2008

oh well who cares about levi, as Gil Gross of KGO said,

Its the mom that has the breasts.

[have to laugh]

There is also some push back around that if the Dems don’t stop comparing Obama to Palin then maybe she should offer to debate him.

They will howl with laughter as they march onward.

117. NYCee - 2 September 2008

I thought Obama should have picked Jack Reed as veep.

118. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

111. I got a free NY Post when I was out and about and opened to the piece on BristolGate, featuring him and his facebook. He was all, “fuck this, and I’ll fuck you up that,” in his quotes. He said he dont wanna get married or be a Dad, one of those two. But he really likes to kill shit.

Sounds like a young Cheney.

119. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Joe Biden (his time till – at last! – he gets to the WH!!!)

What a dumb pick, to my eye.

Old school, summa cum laude graduate of shoulder slapping, brite white flashing, tough as tacks (with heart of gold!) flesh pressing politicians – does that really fly as irresistible charm anymore? In these times?

Joe Biden, well, the selling points seem all myth to me: experience makes him fp sage, working class hero, universally loved because he is just so lovable, great attack dog debater… (Because he can throw out a few haha zingers? I may have missed a stellar debating performance somewhere…. Anyone got one?)

120. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Right on schedule they hihglight a deceased SEAL who served in Iraq. Michael Mansour. Becoming a SEAL tho suffering with asthma (so it goes.)

Which is what Biden got his 5 deferrments and eventual Y 1 classification for, asthma (just came out a few days ago, AP did a FOIA). Tho it is not mentioned in his book.

They tie it down, point by point.

121. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Joe Biden – cheated at not top tier law school.

That takes the cake and prepated the way for all the lying misrepresenation plagiarism and so forth.

122. NYCO - 2 September 2008

Not only are the Dems unsuited to fight the Culture Wars, but it seems to me they have a particularly ill-suited candidate for it. This election was supposed to be about Obama as Personification of a Lifestyle. “Look and Feel.” It’s not as if Obama has a particularly compelling life drama — searches for his dad notwithstanding. He has beautiful bone structure, very presidential genes, but — went to college, did some community organizing work, ran for office — that just pales in comparison to this superheated visceral Fight! For! Life! that the GOP has going on now.

This is why I always said that Obama should have stopped tootling his biography and started getting into detail about his community organizing experiences in the gritty city. But maybe there really weren’t any stories there, in his experience?

123. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Amber waves of nausea…

124. NYCee - 2 September 2008

George Bush is freeing the children… around the world!

Keeping us SAFE!!!

Laura is on. But I say she is not really on unless they let Laura be Laura. When I listen to her speaking her own words, they seem to consist solely of “great” and “fun.” Everything is either great or fun.

I get a kick out of it.

125. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Sept 11…DRINK!!

126. NYCee - 2 September 2008

The SEAL was highlighted, if my eyes do not deceive me, by a man named Swindle.

Speaking of which, GWB is now onto McCain. All together now: American Hero!!!

(Ooooh, red meat — “angry left” dont play that.)

Guess I need anger management classes. All I see is Napalm John, lusting to participate in needless war. Kill thrills give meaning to his life.

127. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

126. Orson Swindle

I will NOT miss Laura Bush. Get ready to bake a cake with a file in it there, Mrs Bush.

128. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Get out your armor and shields, folks. We are being hit by a big screen Raygun! No one is safe from that killer combo of folksy and jokesy.

Wehlll… jelly beans… wehlll… freedom fighters, or is that freedom frys?… wehlll…???

And now, another actor, although so B to Raygun’s A.

Freeeeeeeehhhhhd!!!

129. NYCO - 2 September 2008

Joe Biden – cheated at not top tier law school

How do you know a law school is not top tier? When its alums say, “OMG! An alum was picked for VP! My degree has more value now!!!”

This sort of reasoning being rather like a Mobius strip of mediocrity…

130. marisacat - 2 September 2008

gnu thjred…………………….

LINK

…… 8) …………..

131. marisacat - 2 September 2008

Well law schools are classified, esp by the law firms that hire.. as top tier, second tier and third tier.

I don’t necessarily subscibe to it, but it exists and is a standard within the industry.

And yu know if you CHEAT in a down market law school… it looks extra special secret sauce bad.

Kinda like Hillary and her stories of The Great Embrace of Bill and Arkansas. Til it becomes clear she failed the DC bar, kept it largely a secret and then lit out for Little Rock.

132. raincat100 - 2 September 2008

#122 NYCO How does one fight the Culture Wars? No snark here, I really want suggestions and advice.

133. samsonshillitoe - 2 September 2008

You fucking kids ought to get off the net and out in the world more. Jesus H. Christ.

134. marisacat - 3 September 2008

samson shillitoe

got yur comment out of moderation… sorry there was a delay getting it out… but all first comments go to moderation.. just to keep spam out of threads.

There is a new thread up, btw

LINK

Thanks for coming by.. 😉


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