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She can field dress a moose! 2 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


And don’t you forget it! And, whether from the Heath or the Palin side, fecund as all hell. We won’t be allowed to forget that.

The Democrats can bitch and moan all they want, but they better get Biden and Obama looking like they mean it, and prepping for the debates that I am sure they think are a .. you know, SLAM DUNK.



1. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Moose entrails, anyone?

2. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

I knew Zell Miller and you, Holy Joe, are no Zell Miller.

Every time I hear Lieberman speak, I can’t help but hearing the dad on Alf.

3. marisacat - 2 September 2008

sigh. I can just imagine.

4. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Thompson delivered well.

Im just a tad behind.

Here comes the bleater…

5. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

They really made a mistake putting Joe Snoozer right after Fred Thompson. He’s brought the crowd’s enthusiasm down several notches.

6. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Meant to say, Marisa, back on last thread, your #16…

I know what you mean. Dont know about every detail there, but yes, it often appears to me that it is a partner dance, a “your turn” thing with the parties, where both the illusion (of real oppo representation) and the jobs are maintained…

Sure, a few get tossed off board during the ride, a few never make it above deck, due to their unwillingness to steer the set course, but, after all is said and done, the ship sails on…

7. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Meet Cindy McCain, Bobblehead Doll.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008

I can’t watch.

they better get Biden and Obama looking like they mean it

Which is going to be hard, b/c neither of them “means” anything other than their own ambitions and careers.

9. NYCee - 2 September 2008

McCain’s captivity/torture years is a good one for UncleSam’sClub, aka the US populace.

Great mix of pain and suffering, gritty, stoic resistance, and integrity.

It made me appreciate more why he has such a hard on to WIN, to dominate some fuckers out there thru force, which was an aborted venture previously, on his part and that of the nation.

We must, finally, close that circle. For John’s sake. We must help him write the final, deserving chapter of a Hero’s Story. Yes, he is old. All the more reason to do it NOW!

Let’s all come together as one and write that final chapter… for unity’s sake.

Call it “John’s Righteous Revenge,”


10. NYCee - 2 September 2008

Cindy has looked absolutely Star Trek Babe lately – big pointy collars sweeping up behind her… tight silver space dress… She has that early sixties vibe.

I said Laura says “great” and “fun” a lot. I have no idea what Cindy says. She is purely a visual to me.

11. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

Neither Bush nor Thompson said the word “torture”.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008

Democrats who simply belittle the Palin choice are courting disaster. It must be taken with the utmost seriousness.

The Democratic responses so far reflect external realities: she is inexperienced, knowing little or nothing about foreign policy or national issues; she is really an anti-feminist, wanting the government to enter women’s lives to block abortion, but not wanting the government to guarantee equal pay for equal work, or provide adequate child health coverage, or child care, or early childhood education; she shills for the oil and gas industry on drilling; she denies the scientific truths of global warming and evolution; she misuses her political authority; she opposes sex education and her daughter is pregnant; and, rather than being a maverick, she is on the whole a radical right-wing ideologue.

All true, so far as we can tell.

But such truths may nonetheless be largely irrelevant to this campaign. That is the lesson Democrats must learn. They must learn the reality of the political mind.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 September 2008

ooops, forgot to close the link.

14. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008


Aides Say Team Interviewed Palin Late in the Process

ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 2 — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain’s vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

Palin was one of two finalists in the vice presidential sweepstakes who were interviewed last week by former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., just days before McCain introduced her to the nation as his choice. The other finalist was Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. One of the officials said Culvahouse was chasing down last-minute information about Pawlenty at the request of the campaign as late as last Thursday, the day McCain offered the job to Palin and she accepted.

No wonder Pawlenty was pissed off.

15. raincat100 - 2 September 2008

#9 NYCee “UncleSam’sClub”

I am so stealing that.

and your #10 wrt Cindy McCain…I was thinking Second Life avatar.

16. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

KO still looked PO’ed that he’s in NYC.

17. raincat100 - 2 September 2008

Copied my query to NYCO from the previous thread:

“#122 NYCO How does one fight the Culture Wars? No snark here, I really want suggestions and advice.”

18. liberalcatnip - 2 September 2008

‘October Surprise’ Over Palin Investigation?; “Likely Damaging” Report on Governor Scheduled for Release Days Before November Election

19. ms_xeno - 2 September 2008

I just want to know who’ll be first to go over to PFF 2– New & Improved, and make their first and only thread a GBCW.

Sorry, no payola involved. Unless it’s in daylily offshoots. I’ve got plenty of ’em.

20. ms_xeno - 2 September 2008

…”The raids and arrests aren’t keeping the peace. On the contrary, what’s happening is a breakdown of law and order. It’s a result of the heightened infiltration and unwarranted surveillance under the Bush Administration’s domestic spying program, aimed at people who’ve broken no laws,” said Jill Bussiere, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States… —Green Condemn Brutal “Police State Raids” Outside GOP Convention, 9/2/08

21. CSTAR - 2 September 2008

#18 Maybe there’s a secret video of Palin shouting “take this whitey” threatening to shoot some Polar bears.

22. marisacat - 3 September 2008


Too funny!


Just FYI samsonshillitoe left a comment a little bit ago in the last thread. I got it out of Moderation First Comment Hell and left him/her a reply to see the new thread. .. 8) …


Listening to the roundtable at Charlie Rose. The men ponder the woman. Slowly… They have David Dreier there too. My I had forgotten he existed… LOL

Al Hunt asks if she has been to Taiwan Korea and China. Has Ob?

I am thinking she better debate Ob. To make Dems happy.

23. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Doris Kearns Goodwin gets something right. Palin allows the R base to stretch a protective arm around a cub (under assault for motherhood), they will fixate on fighting the Liberal Media and McC then has the base tied down, and can go back to the Old Maverick and be himself.

I’d say that is a bingo.

24. marisacat - 3 September 2008

From the National Journal evening email. And this is why the whole senator running, and trying to be apart from the senate pack mentality, does not work. On the R side it is war, on the Dem side it is always “my friend”. Kerry had the same confused mindset, about both Dole and McC, he felt they were his “friends”. Not in a campaign buddy. I think parsed, Biden;s words intro McC with a sense of comfort. And quite the opposite with his words for Ob.

Good luck to someone:

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — As the Republican National Convention finally got underway, John McCain received unexpected praise from a colleague nearly 2,000 miles from Minneapolis-St. Paul.

“He is my good friend,” Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden told a large crowd here tonight. “I get in trouble for saying this with some real strong Obama supporters … [But] if John McCain picked up the phone today and said, ‘Joe, I need you to get in a plane and fly out to Missoula, I can’t tell you why,’ I’d get in a plane and I’d go.”

But for every kind word that the senator from Delaware had for his colleague from Arizona, he had considerably more for his own running mate, Barack Obama.

“If Barack Obama grew up in my neighborhood in Scranton or Claymont or Wilmington, Delaware, he would have been the guy who had my back,” he said. “If you’re looking for a very sophisticated, Harvard graduate who went to Columbia undergrad and was president of the [Harvard] Law Review, he’s totally intellectual, baby, you ain’t seen nothing yet. This guy is steel. This guy is steel, and I assure you that.”

25. marisacat - 3 September 2008

hmm I have waited to see when McC/Camp would exert discipline agaisnt Obama use of “racism” in his passive aggressive way.

Looks like this is it (via Ambinder, full text, linked as he embeds links)

The Gender Card Talking Point

02 Sep 2008 06:02 pm

To hear McCain surrogates tell it, the McCain-Palin ticket is the victim of one big liberal media conspiracy, apparently, to deprive Sarah Palin of her due process and to discredit her. Because she’s a woman. Yesterday, campaign strategist Steve Schmidt chastised the New York Times’s Elisabeth Bumiller for asking whether Palin could balance her family and campaigning. Today, Sen. Lindsey Graham grouped together every question about Palin’s family and put them into a sexism box. So did the McCain campaign surrogate Carly Fiorina.

Reporters seem to be afraid to ask the follow-up which is: “Fine. I’m sexist. What’s the answer?” or “You’re misdirecting. Can she balance her family and the demands of campaigning?” Or “It may be a difficult question to ask, but why is it not legitimate?” or “If Todd Palin was the governor and the principal caregiver for an infant while Sarah Palin was off prospecting for oil in the North Slope, I’d still ask the same question.”

[“liberal” blogs, Dem aligned pundits have ignored it, but Palin husband spends a lot of time as house husband, they could get slapped with DOUBLE sexism, if they keep it up and she manages to play well in public — Mcat]

The tactic, in political communications circles, is called “answering the subject.” That is _- instead of answering a question, you answer by questioning the motivations of the person who is asking it. It usually works.

26. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Obama goes on ORielly Factor Thrusday night.. which may or may not have a lot to do with this, Tomasky drawing off Michael Woff in VF, but Tomasky leaves out that Murdoch daughter has held fundraisers (think at least one attended by MO) for Ob in London, as of months ago. Long before summer.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

we have a Pretzledent, IIRC, who was PROUD that he’d never traveled overseas when he was running in 2000. No one seemed to care, and even if some did, bringing it up did no good in this xenophobic country.

Campaigns in this country are so damned predictable and repetitive. Catching clips of Bush talking about the “angry left” last night was just too funny. The problem w/ the left is that it’s not angry enough to PUNISH politicians who’ve got us into this mess.

28. marisacat - 3 September 2008

DiFi ahs entered the fray… “how can the mother of a new born campaign?”

29. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008


Reporters seem to be afraid to ask the follow-up which is: “Fine. I’m sexist. What’s the answer?” or “You’re misdirecting. Can she balance her family and the demands of campaigning?” Or “It may be a difficult question to ask, but why is it not legitimate?” or “If Todd Palin was the governor and the principal caregiver for an infant while Sarah Palin was off prospecting for oil in the North Slope, I’d still ask the same question.”

No – the follow-up should be, “When did you Republicans get so concerned about sexism? There hasn’t been a feminist in your party since Reagan’s operatives ran them all out and drove them to turn Democrat. Does this sudden focus on the evils of sexism indicate a new direction for the Republicans? If so, what plans to you have to achieve full social, political and economic equality for women? Also, how do you think your ‘evangelical base’ will react to this new tack of yours, given their medieval notions of the place of women in society?”

30. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

28 –

DiFi ahs entered the fray… “how can the mother of a new born campaign?”

Wow – the Dems are really stepping in it now.

Good, let them show their true natures to the world. These are the people we’re supposed to trust to ensure equal treatment of women!

Pelosi has a brood of kids – who took care of them while she was climbing up the political ladder?

31. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

24: Biden:

he’s totally intellectual, baby, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

As Charlie Brown would say: “AAAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!!!”

32. marisacat - 3 September 2008


yeah I have been thinking of Pelosi a lot. Becasue it was not as depicted, from Ktichen to the House. Uh no.

They bought the big house in Pacific Heights and back then Phil Burton (we live under the old Brown Burton machine, Pat Borwn Gov and PB a power in the congress) and others made it an out post for top of the heap party entertaining and fundraising. The entire main floor is reception and “public”, so to speak, space. She was a massive fundraiser for years, she and her husband.

The house probably supproted 3 – 5 full time in household help. I cannot quite remember but think she was head of the CA Dp as well for a while, probably two years.

Get a clue people.

33. marisacat - 3 September 2008


agree on the better question. The problem is, as most can see, the DP is lecturing us. I admit I am choking on it.

With the DiFI segment this am was a counter point mini segment with a Jocelyn Rose from antropology over at UCBerkeley. She made the same point, fair to raise it, but it IS sexist. And very fair to poijnt out to eh REpublicans, but you have told women for years to stayhom.

But then it goes full circle, as what are teh Dems saying.

Even Bob Herbert who is well entrenched as a party voice had a piece this week saying, the Dems are in danger of setting women back 10 years. He plays at issuing a “moderating” voice. HA! I’d say they have long collaborated in doing jusst that.

Alos Bill PRess who has a syndicated radio show and is a former head of the CA DP has been calling Palin a “party girl” over night. Among other things.

Way to go, dicks in wonderland.

34. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

I haven’t seen Palin speak, so I looked up this video of her gubernatorial debate. Interesting. She’s smart, focused and very glib – a perfect spokesperson. In comparison Knowles and Halcro look like they’re sleepwalking through it.

Biden is going to have his work cut out for him. She doesn’t have his experience or background, but she can give the impression that she does. And that’s all that matters in these debates.

35. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

Way to go, dicks in wonderland.

And the Little Sisters too. The Dems have been too squeamish to put reproductive choice and gender equality front and center – icky, said the fratboyz! And they’re just “women’s issues” of no import to the rest of society! And anyway, most importantly, we don’t want to scare our Catholic brethren! – but now here’s a great opportunity to bring those issues out into the open and talk about them with the same heartfelt zeal that Palin expressed when she says she would “choose life”. So what are the Dems doing? Squandering this chance by falling back on antiquated sexist criticisms. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

36. marisacat - 3 September 2008


yes exactly… I had seen that debate at the time, CSpan.. i watched to see if KNowles, who was repeatedly promoted by Dkos, was the dud I thought he was. She was very focused and sharp.

I read what I think is a considered and not over th top assessment of her recently (forget who said it, might have been an anonymous quote): a natural politcal savant, adept at discerning the concerns and packaging herself as the answer.

I’d say bingo to that.

37. marisacat - 3 September 2008


yes and I am expecting Pelosi to enter the fray as well. With some glib shit that she “stayed at home till all my children were well settled in school” or some other similar lie.

They are clearly pushing to the DP faithful that SP “should drop out” or “we hear talk taht SP will drop out”.

Not my take. Again, ObamaLand better get some O’Biden08 stuff out there, indicating a joint ticket and sell themselvs.

38. NYCO - 3 September 2008

And anyway, most importantly, we don’t want to scare our Catholic brethren! – but now here’s a great opportunity to bring those issues out into the open and talk about them with the same heartfelt zeal that Palin expressed when she says she would “choose life”.

I agree. And that’s part of my response as to how you fight the culture wars – you certainly can’t rely on white male surrogates to do it.

And unfortunately the blogosphere is mainly composed of white males, and they are noisy sumbitches who are crybabies at heart. I don’t think Palin is going to be dissolving in a puddle of tears any time soon.

39. marisacat - 3 September 2008


We are instructed that Mrs. Palin isn’t qualified, because she lacks Washington experience. But until recently that was said to be a virtue in Mr. Obama, who is at the top of his ticket. Meanwhile, there’s hardly a peep of media notice that the Obama campaign is preposterously trying to remake Joe Biden into a poor scrapper from Scranton when he’s been in the Senate for 36 years. They all know Joe. But when Mr. McCain picks an authentic middle-class mother who is also a Governor, we are told she’s not up to the job. […]

If Sarah Palin succeeds as a national candidate, she could help John McCain proceed to a reform Presidency.Even if he loses while she does well, she could emerge as a major figure in GOP politics for years to come. This is why the media and political classes are so eager to discredit her. They can’t let it happen.

We hope Mr. McCain and the GOP are prepared to fight back. On the evidence this week, it looks like an army of volunteers is forming up to help them.

I read that Shafley who drove me insane for years gave a reception for SP in St Paul. I could see Phyllis enter the fray as well. And Big Problem that she is and was, she can be extremely effective on motherhood and small children.

Gah. Bama promised me the culture wars were over. Thank god I did nto swallow that rainbow pill.

40. marisacat - 3 September 2008

… he blogosphere is mainly composed of white males, and they are noisy sumbitches who are crybabies at heart.

And their push back, slam back is ALWYS sexual slur and innuendo

41. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

This anonymous hit piece from a supposed family acquaintance is a hoot:

They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team.

Waahh, what a mean bitch, she bullied me and ate my lunch, waaah!

It will be very hard to push the “predatory ruthless bitch” angle at the same time as the “can she face down Putin and Ahmedinijad?” angle.

Funny the corners that the Dems paint themselves into.

Also, I find it interesting that the “unbridled ambition” slam is invariably used against female, not male, politicians.

38, NYCO: you certainly can’t rely on white male surrogates to do it.

You got that right.

42. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Before she became so powerful,

So… is she powerful or in the throes of nursing a baby – and unable to think coherently.

43. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

42: The nursing thing is hilarious. One comment I saw on Dkos:

Your breasts swell up, (0+ / 0-)

and you have to take off every 2-to-3-to-4 hours to pump or nurse, otherwise it’s painful. And you DO leak. Sooner or later, if you can’t get away, it WILL show, especially in the summer time. It’s not as if she’ll be covering up with sweaters and coats.

Hell hath no fury like a breast pad scorned… at least during the early weeks/months. I breastfed two sons, for 3 1/2 and 2 years.

Also, if she is supposedly pumping when she can’t breastfeed, does she always have her breast pump and bottles and refrigerating equipment handy? Can she always suddenly excuse herself from a campaign commitment because her milk is letting down and she has to go nurse or pump? I mean, it can be worse than having to pee! You can’t hold it in voluntarily, and you risk a case of mastitis if you can’t get away to get the milk out.

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” – Mark Twain

by Donna in Rome on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:55:18 PM PDT

Hello, people: women have been going back to full-time work and pumping for DECADES now.

I mean, really. How clueless can “liberals” be.

44. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

Gosh, what if she’s in a tense conference with Putin and suddenly milk starts leaking from her breasts! What would we do then??

This reminds me of one of the “reasons” put forth years ago by the authorities that women couldn’t be military pilots or astronauts: because they didn’t have penises to put into the “pee tubes”, so how could they urinate while flying?

45. marisacat - 3 September 2008

They are using everything there is, and her body parts. Basically.

There si a Chief of Police in Wassilla she may have fired (released as Big News by Brian Ross of ABC). The problem is I think the Dems know this sort of stuff can be a wash, if not showy enough.

They need a couple of really big, easy to dissect punches against her. It may not happen for them. And there is always a helpful local to say “But she was taking on the Big Boys” or “She was running agasint her own party”… and so on.

Talk about thrashing about on stage.

46. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

Democrats getting hoist on their own petard. Personally I couldn’t be happier. I still remember all that shit about Baird and the rest from a decade ago. Obviously Democrats never wanted the issues resolved so long as they could play the same dirty pool with them that the GOP does.

Also, I remember the clucking about LaDuke campaigning with Nader while she was –gasp !– nursing her kid. ZOMFG !! They didn’t get the mileage they could from that since LaDuke wasn’t the big target, but of course it still had to be mentioned.

Yeah, yeah, chicks’ brains shut off when they breed. And when they bleed from not breeding and when they stop bleeding forever. Chicks are in a permanent state of mental debility and only a teeny tiny select view can be vetted by the Big Boys in the name of “diversity.”

La la la. Same as it ever was.

I don’t like the GOP but if Biden gets dismembered by Palin, it’ll be poetic justice anyway. Fuck all of ’em.

47. marisacat - 3 September 2008


To be sure, cultural issues would be a factor in this election, even if McCain had sought to defuse them. Social issues dominate the 112 ballot propositions in 30 states in November, according to the Initiative & Referendum Institute at the University of Southern California.

California, Arizona and Florida voters are considering constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. Colorado, and likely Arizona and Nebraska, will have ballot measures to ban affirmative action. South Dakota and Colorado also have ballot initiatives that would effectively ban abortion.

But the surprise emergence of Palin on the national stage has given a human face on these debates and has guaranteed that they would dominate the conversation here at the Republican convention and in the news media.

“There hasn’t been a lot of discussion of some of these, if you will, culture war issues like abortion and gay marriage and that has now come to the fore again,” said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women.

The annual Pew Religion and Public Life Survey recently reported that after voters gauged how liberal McCain and Obama were, “the average voter places themselves much closer to McCain than to Obama.”

Forty-nine percent of Americans say their “moral values” are conservative, while only 20 percent say they are liberal. About half of voters, when asked to assess the moral values of the candidates, described Obama as liberal while nearly six in 10 said McCain was conservative.

Given the intensity of Palin support among conservatives, McCain may very well end up with greater flexibility than ever to make his own direct appeal to independent voters. Palin can keep social activists at ease — and excited — while McCain seeks to reclaim his maverick image with a more direct appeal to those Hillary Clinton supporters and undecided swing voters.

“There hasn’t been a lot of discussion of some of these, if you will, culture war issues like abortion and gay marriage and that has now come to the fore again,” said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women.

Becasue y’all helped cover for the Dems playing both sides and sellin gout in the cloakroom to loss of rights and access.

48. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008


…Even Bob Herbert who is well entrenched as a party voice had a piece this week saying, the Dems are in danger of setting women back 10 years…

Well, as long as we always have to come to them and beg to have what ought to have been ours by right, unquestionably, they’ll be happy. Same with civil rights, labor rights, queer rights, all of it.

That’s the key in both parties [sic]. Bring a token or two on board, then use them to play gatekeeper games with the rest. I suppose a miracle could happen and that outside challengers, seeing this pattern writ so large over and over, might have the morality and sense to discard it when/if they actually obtain power. It would be nice.

I’ve long thought that Proportional Representation offers at least a chance of curbing the reindeer games that lead to this shit happening over and over again. Of course, that would explain the resistance to it from the boy wannabe power brokers in blogland. Some pinche_op at the late PFF proclaiming that “IT DOESN’T WORK IN ITALY.” Oh, okay, Mr. Genius. That settles it then. Can I fetch you some coffee and rub your back, too ? Oh, pretty please ?

49. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

47 – my favorite quote from that article:

“Why does the left think there is a pro-life movement? The pro-life movement is about helping women who get into trouble,” said Gary Bauer, president of the social conservative group American Values.

OK, where is the Democrat response to that?

50. marisacat - 3 September 2008

yeah agree, proportional representation is the way to go…

Not like the Clintons fully supported Lani Guinier tho, who knows a ton about that …

51. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

OK, where is the Democrat response to that?

Welfare “reform,” soon to be followed by Obama’s version of “Faith-based” whatever.

[snerk] The “me-too” Party covers itself in glory yet again.

52. marisacat - 3 September 2008

BTW US Weekly was mentioned yesterday and the cover linked to.. I read during tghe night that it is owned by Jann Wenner of RS.

US Weekly goes negative in a six-page cover spread – ‘John McCain’s Vice President Sarah Palin – BABIES, LIES & SCANDAL – Under attack, admits daughter, 17, is pregnant – Investigated for firing of sister’s ex-husband – Mom of five: New embarrassing surprises’:

53. marisacat - 3 September 2008


stick a crucifix between your legs. Cover it with the bible

You know one thing I have been reading for some time (and think I mentioned it in email to moiv) is that in too many cases, women go home from the hospital with a gift pack and info w/r/t to breast feeding, but not a comparable pack of info and samples for the alternative.

Choice … gah. So little of it, so pushed. I am for making a ton of information available and LET PEOPLE CHOOSE.

54. marisacat - 3 September 2008

[T]he campaign announced:

“The McCain campaign will launch a television ad directly comparing Gov. Palin’s executive experience as a governor who oversees 24,000 state employees, 14 statewide cabinet agencies and a $ 10 billion budget to Barack Obama’s experience as a one-term junior senator from Illinois.”

The ad is what the campaign calls “a forward-leaning effort to counter the shameless smears that have prevailed during Gov. Palin’s introduction to the American voter.”

AND they are doing what they did with the mess of a NYT report (it hinted at bigger story, but the NYT did not bite the bullet, the report was a mess) on the blonde lobbyist (who btw, neatly disappeared for months following the article), they jsut stonewall and smile:

“The McCain campaign will have no further comment about our long and thorough process. This nonsense is over. It is time to begin the debate about how to win the two wars this country is engaged in,how to make this country energy independent and how to create jobs for American families that are hurting. The American people get to do the vetting now on Election Day — Nov. 4.”

55. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

53 MCat: well I always heard it was the opposite – that the formula companies would give you gift bags and samples in the hospital and get you roped in at a vulnerable moment – especially if you’re confused or ill-informed. Maybe it’s different now, but eight years ago when I had my son, Enfamil or whoever gave us nice little Peter Rabbit diaper bags, etc. but there were no gifties from the b.f. people. But there was no shortage of info on b.f. – relentless proselytizing at the prenatal checkups, lactation consultants in the hospital, etc. All well and good, I’m all for b.f., as long as it does’t become some kind of freakish religion with people.

Some of the b.f. advocates are among the most rigidly doctrinaire, judgmental folks I’ve ever encountered. When I told them I was going to pump, they told me “You won’t bond with your baby.”

But don’t get me started on the Pregnancy/Nursing Police….

56. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Bay Buchanan is reminding people that Tim Kaine was considered for VP under Ob.. and NO ONE raised the issue of too little experience as first term VA gov. I remember it mentioned in passing, but with little interest… LOL.

This will run long……………………………………………..

57. marisacat - 3 September 2008


Yes I agree, becasue the formula companies want their samples out there. I too was surprised as I began reading this a coupel fo years ago.

Over and over my prescription is LEAVE THE WOMEN ALONE, and get out of their way.

58. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

57 – I agree with you – just leave women alone. Acknowledge and respect their inherent right to self-determination.

The patronizing attitude on both sides of the political spectrum is infuriating.

In the Alaska governor debate, it grated on me that Knowles talked about “allowing” women a choice. Would he talk about “allowing” racial minorities to have equal rights?

Oh yes – we Dems will ALLOW you women to live your lives without government interference. We will ALLOW you privacy and freedom.

Thank you, Daddy.

59. marisacat - 3 September 2008

That “allow” mantra is the party line. And Ob is very infuriating on all of this.

Kaine is still using (i notice other Dems have adopted it) and they sell themselves as “we are not for criminalising women”.

Gosh no jsut the drs, as a medical procedure moved to be a federal offense.

60. baypraire - 3 September 2008

“how can the mother of a new born campaign?”

just like the millions of other moms, married and single, who work for a living in this country do.


61. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

“It’s Good To Oppose The Two-Party System, and CNN.

Meanwhile some troglodyte at Alas dismissed McKinney as a “Democratic Cast-Off.”

Could somebody please smack me in the head with a fish the next time I stupidly bother to look at that place ? Gah.

62. marisacat - 3 September 2008

No link as it is drawn from the Mike Allen/Politco email

Republicans are rolling out (I realise this is along scroll thru but for anyone who thinks the attacks ahve not been broad and orchestrated):

• McCain-Palin surrogates Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina, U.S. Rep. Heather Wilson, Former Ebay CEO Meg Whitman, McCain Senior Advisor Nicolle Wallace, McCain Communications Director Jill Hazelbaker and McCain Senior Advisor Nancy Pfotenhauer will do television and radio interviews to demand better treatment for Governor Palin’s family.

Andrew Sullivan:

Liberal Bloggers Questioned Whether Governor Palin’s Fifth Child Was Actually Bristol Palin’s Child. ‘Where has Bristol Palin been for the past year? Has she been attending high school? Or was she absent because of infectious mononucleosis for between five and eight months, as is now being reported on the Internet? Why would a 43 year old woman, on her fifth pregnancy, with a Down syndrome child, after her amniotic fluid has started to leak, not go to the nearest hospital immediately, even if she was in Texas for a speech? Why would she not only not go to the hospital in Texas, but take an eight-hour plane flight to Seattle and then Anchorage? Why would she choose to deliver the baby not in the nearest major facility in Anchorage but at a much smaller hospital near her home-town? Why did the flight attendants on the trip home say she bore no signs of being pregnant?’ It strikes me as likely that there are reasonable answers to these questions – more reasonable than the only one given so far -‘ (Andrew Sullivan, ‘Things That Make You Go Hmmm,’ The Atlantic’s ‘The Daily Dish’ Blog, Posted 8/31/08)

LOL That’s OK Andrew, we won’t force you to go “down there”

Next: CNN

CNN’s John Roberts Questioned Whether Governor Palin Would Be Able To Care For A Child With Down Syndrome As Vice President. CNN’s JOHN ROBERTS: ‘There’s also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down syndrome. The baby is just slightly more than 4 months old now. Children with Down syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of vice president, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of, how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?’ BASH: ‘That’s a very good question, and I guess my guess is that perhaps the line inside the McCain campaign would be, if it were a man being picked who also had a baby 4 months ago with Down Syndrome, would you ask the same question? And that might be another way to kind of, you know, close the gender gap in trying to make the point that, yes, she not only has unfortunately a baby with Down Syndrome, but she has five children, the oldest of whom is apparently in the Army and is apparently going to head off to Iraq in the fall.’ (CNN’s ‘Newsroom,’ 8/29/08)

And the really wonderful report (she wrote on it for Wapo a couple days ago) from Sally Quinn, a true paragon:

The Washington Post’s Sally Quinn Questioned Whether A Woman With Five Children And One Having Down Syndrome Would Be Able To Make Her Family A Priority If She Were Vice President. SALLY QUINN: ‘And I do think, too, that you have to weigh the situation. It’s one thing to have one or two or three children, especially if they are healthy children. And everyone knows that women and men are different and that moms and dads are different and that women — the burden of child care almost always falls on the woman. But I think, when you have five children, one a 4-month-old Down syndrome baby, and a daughter who is 17, who is also a child and who is going to need her mother very much in the next few months and years with her own baby coming, that I don’t see how you cannot make your family your first priority. And I think if you are going to be president of the United States, which she may well be, I think that’s going to be a real stretch for her.’ (CNN’s ‘Newsroom,’ 9/2/08)

63. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

kossacks seem to be a little slow on the uptake. I mean: what if she GETS PREGNANT as VP (OMG – huge embarrassment) and, even worse, what if she goes into MENOPAUSE (one heartbeat away from the nukes button??)?

Seriously, who are these so-called “progressives”? The RW fundies are making them look like a bunch of puritans. Through the Looking Glass.

64. NYCO - 3 September 2008

63. Seriously, who are these so-called “progressives”? The RW fundies are making them look like a bunch of puritans.

The truth will out…

65. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

And everyone knows that women and men are different and that moms and dads are different […] I don’t see how you cannot make your family your first priority.

Words that would warm the heart of a misogynist conservative Biblethumper.

But we should be so afraid of the Republicans because they’re going to treat women like second-class citizens.

66. marisacat - 3 September 2008

I ahd caught a couple of references that seemed to say that Alaska DOES have sex ed… so started googling. This seems to indicate that in Juneau at least there is, and parents debate being able to pull their children.

67. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

This is the “post” era.



68. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

#64: Actually, they’re making them look like people who always want exceptions in individual cases to what “everybody knows.” The individual cases always being the person doling out judgments, or his/her relative/friend/neighbor.

No different than Palin’s own brand of “pro-life” drivel, I’m sure. Y’know, the one where every teenager having a baby out of wedlock is a filthy whore, except for mine.

No different than the prattlers at Bowers’ pad, or wherever it was, whining that the problem with universal healthcare is that Bowers or some other self-important prattler won’t have any say in whether or not other recipients are as deserving as the prattler or as his friends, relatives and family. ZOMFG !! So unfair !! [whine, stamp foot] I wanna’ decide who’s worthy and who’s not !! Wahhhhhhhhh!!!


These people all fucking deserve each other. They lack the maturity to imagine a collective reality or acknowledge the simple truth that if we don’t hang together we’ll most definitely hang separately. Let them just fucking tear each other apart and be done with it already.

69. JJB - 3 September 2008

Palin Slashed Funding for Teen Moms

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation — “SP” — Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House’s web site, its purpose is to provide “young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives” and help teen moms “become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families.”

Presumably, this was shortly before she became aware of her daughter’s situation. I wonder if that would have caused her to change her mind.

70. marisacat - 3 September 2008

I saw the supposed work sheet for teh slashing and never bothered to look for a date.

LOL I guess she herself could only manage that administrative decision as she was not overcome nursing.

She’s a conservative. Not my sort.

71. NYCO - 3 September 2008

What other organizations are active in Alaska for this type of work besides Covenant House, though?

I’m totally playing devil’s advocate here, so indulge me — is it possible she believed Covenant House didn’t deserve the money for administrative reasons? (did the Alaska chapter use money efficiently in the past? did she believe there were other alternatives worth funding?)

Don’t get me wrong, I quite suspect she has her ideological motivations when it comes to budget decisions, but to automatically assume that funding cuts for a program means a she thinks pregnant teens are “tramps and whores” seems a stretch. I look forward to her explanation, however. 🙂

72. JJB - 3 September 2008

. . . [T]o automatically assume that funding cuts for a program means a she thinks pregnant teens are “tramps and whores” seems a stretch.

Who said that? Aside from you, I mean.

Talk about a stretch.

73. NYCO - 3 September 2008

JJB, can I ask why you are so prickly toward me all the time? If you have a personal problem with me, send me an e-mail and explain instead of posting the constant ad hominem snottiness.

74. NYCO - 3 September 2008

PS you can reach me at fairmountgeddes@gmail.com.

75. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Gustav evacuees grow weary in crowded shelters

SHREVEPORT, La., (AP) — With his city spared from major damage, and his husky body surpassing the edges of a narrow cot, Eddie Brown had come to believe Gustav was no longer the villain in this hurricane story: It was this rusted and vacant Sam’s warehouse brimming with 3,000 evacuees.

The Shreveport shelter offered little more than a dry place to sleep. It had no showers, no elbow room and no privacy. After five days, Brown and others who fled here were questioning their decision to leave New Orleans at all.

“If you’re gonna help, help me. Don’t send me to a place like this,” Brown said Tuesday, his eyes sunken in the industrial lights that stay on around the clock for security reasons. “I would rather ride it out without power at home. I’m only taking a few more days of this. I don’t care if I have to walk the highway back.”

I saw a news clip of a man saying how ill-prepared they were in whichever shelter he was in as well. “You can’t feed a 2 week old baby rice and beans”; “They’ve had 3 years to prepare for this”.

Those realities are being ignored while the Repubs are acting like everything went swimmingly – getting on with their convention while so many people are suffering, again.

76. marisacat - 3 September 2008

What a day. Democrats just keep solidifying her into the Icon of Movement Conservatism.



from what I saw in two longish segments, everyone is to the breaking point, including the major. One of the big questions, beginning to be answered, was if they send the buses to take them out – will they bother to send the buses to bring them back?

Sounded like Shreveport and other areas used as refuge, dumping grounds are having to use city money to provide what the state is responsible for…

Should go bad very quickly. And old timers are being proved right, “we only get hit by hurricanes with lady anmes”, for which I am sure there are exceptions (Andrew, iirc)

77. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Plus from reports I caught, even in areas with lights, that never lost lights, people are blocked from returning.

78. marisacat - 3 September 2008

”if her kids won’t listen to her, who will?”

— Ron Owen/KGO


79. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

72 JJB: Talk about a stretch.

Well, not much of one – your comment held an implicit sneer about how she might have decided differently if she knew her daughter was pregnant.

I don’t see any reason why she would. Do you have any reason to believe that Palin’s daughter would be taking advantage of the Covenant House program?

I’m tired of the constant search for possible examples of Palin’s hypocrisy, with the focus on her family’s sexual behavior and her fitness as a mother.

Why not go for the jugular and attack her where she’s supposedly the strongest – in her appeal to rightwing religious whackos? Ask if she supports equal rights for women, and if so, how her views differ from the evangelicals – her pastor, and James Dobson, for instance.

I mean, here is this aggressive, intelligent woman in a high-powered job with authority over men, running for the job of VP which would give her unprecedented authority over even MORE men, and possibly the entire country; she has clearly put her career at top priority in her life, while still raising a family; and, as the photo above shows, she enjoys male-dominated sports such as hunting and fishing, and she carries a Big Gun. So what exactly about her is different from the caricature of the “castrating-bitch feminist”? Is it her stance against abortion and gay marriage? Is that really all it takes to be a darling of the Christian Right? Are they OK now with the idea of a dominant, aggressive female who succeeds in a man’s world?

So Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman are being trotted out to defend Palin. OK, what do those powerful women have to say to the members of the Christian Right who believe that women should be subservient to men, because the Bible said so? What do they have to say to the Pope and other religious leaders who think that women can’t be priests, ministers, or rabbis?

Let’s talk about equality for women, folks. Let’s talk about the dreaded F-word. You want culture war, fine, bring it on! Make Palin and Fiorina and Whitman explain to the world what they really think of gender equality.

But no, everyone wants to talk about the pregnant teenager.

80. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

Oh, hrh, don’t be absurd.

Obama & Co. have worked soooooooo hard to make the evangelicals feel welcome in his party. He can’t mess that up now by making things awkward for ’em just for the sake of a bunch of stupid women that probably don’t even sleep with Bibles under their pillows. The idea ! [fans self]

Don’t you understand ? If you question Christians, you’re INTOLERANT of Christians ! And it’s of tantamount importance to spend all your time screwing your base while sucking up to a bunch of people who would never in a million years vote for you anyway.

Get with the program.

81. NYCO - 3 September 2008

I have never understood why Christians whine so about being “persecuted.” It was always my understanding that they should expect to be persecuted, and to be happy about the world hating them.

82. marisacat - 3 September 2008


Sorensen on Biden. Ouch. Of course one has to add that Jimmie caved to R pressure on the nom, in any case….

83. marisacat - 3 September 2008

US Troops Enter Pakistan, 20 Dead


Candace Rondeaux, The Washington Post: “At least 20 people were killed in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday after U.S. and Afghan troops crossed from Afghanistan to pursue Taliban insurgents in an early morning attack that marked the first known instance in which U.S. forces conducted an operation on Pakistani soil since the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan began, according to witnesses and a Pakistani official.”

84. JJB - 3 September 2008


That wasn’t ad hominum snottiness, it was a comment that pointed out you were creating a strawman argument, or trying to. Buy a box of tissues, have a good cry, take a deep breath and get over it.

Speaking of breath, don’t hold yours while waiting for an email from me. Maybe the failed Armando groupie at 79 can commiserate with you (I remember her early days at dKos).

Have a nice rest of the day, I’m not wasting any more of it with the likes of you two.

85. aemd - 3 September 2008

A bit OT, like there is anything OT here… 😉

Looks like a big Hedge Fund crashed playing the energy commodities games. With the tanking of oil and natural gas futures since the beginning of July, I suspect we’ll see more of these. Good Enough, A$$holes.

86. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Buy a box of tissues, have a good cry, take a deep breath and get over it.

Oh for goodness sakes JJB.

I am thoroughly disinterested in a flinging some equally boring insult [attempt] in return.

87. aemd - 3 September 2008

“Buy a box of tissues, have a good cry, take a deep breath and get over it.”

Jebbus JBB, that ranks right up there with Intermittent Bystanders snide “debatable provenance” crack. Guess we’re getting too hysterical for ya. We girls will try to TONE IT DOWN.

88. CSTAR - 3 September 2008

Now playing on the La Gran Naranja de Hoy Dr Laura dumps on Palin.

Dr Laura??

89. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008
90. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Ron Owen had Dr laura on his KGO program, guess it was an hour yesterday. I purposefully skipped it. LOL And the gay male host Karel was hyping it.

Yes quite the revealing nomination.

91. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

88. Funny, I was going to Google her reaction. She’s big on the “I’m my kid’s mom” schtick so I figured she’d blast Palin for not staying home with the kids until they were all married off with kids of their own (basically).

92. marisacat - 3 September 2008

oh I should add, Owen particularly had Dr Laura on to FEED the overall theme at the station. LOL… not merely as interview.

93. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008


And it’s of tantamount importance to spend all your time screwing your base while sucking up to a bunch of people who would never in a million years vote for you anyway.

LOL, ms x. That’s about the size of it….

87, aemd: you’ve heard how thin the “veneer of civilization” is? Well, the veneer of progressivism is even thinner with some people.

94. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

And I wonder how many of those so-called “progressive” kossacks are secretly nodding in agreement with Dr Fundie Laura. haha

95. CSTAR - 3 September 2008

From Steve Benen in Political Animal

It led Josh Marshall to raise a very compelling point: Palin’s family is front and center, because the McCain campaign wants Palin’s family to be front and center.

Duh. This is in plain sight, Steve and Josh.

It took these guys five days to discover this??? These guys claim to be political experts???

Good lord.

96. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

From the Dr. L thing:

Certainly, if a child becomes ill and is rushed to the hospital, and you’re on the hotline with both Israel and Iran as nuclear tempers are flaring, where’s your attention going to be?

Dr. Laura and Sally Quinn (and countless other “liberals”)- together again for the first time! Politics does make strange bedfellows! Oh and what about the dangerous leaking tits? I’m surprised Dr. L. neglected to mention them.

97. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

89, catnip, re: the king of Swaziland: he’s kind of cute – looks like Emmitt Smith.

98. marisacat - 3 September 2008

knew thred…………………….


…………… 8) ……………

99. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

97. I think King Mswati needs to do some more…umm…rumbaing or pilates or something.

100. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

87 – Dog forbid anyone should be snide or sarcastic around here! But I’ll be damn sure to remember my scare quotes next time I’m up late blogging.

(BTW – I’m a “girl” too.)

See y’all at the moose hunt tonight. Later.

101. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Sarcasm is my trademark.. but in real life with a lot of laughter. i stopped worrying years ago that it does not translate well to the itty bitty rectangle that is the world of the box comment. And the silliness of box comment limitations is probably the most frequent reason I often think of walking away from bloglullabys.

But it’s not like I will be ski-ing the Alps as an alternative.

So little time, so much wrong…

… 8) ….

102. bayprairie - 3 September 2008

(BTW – I’m a “girl” too.)


i knew that already


103. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

102 – We keeed, we keeed, because we caaaaaaare!

Someday maybe the human people will rise up and show identity politicians how to draw lines in something other than sand.

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