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Red meat……. 3 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


… from the tundra to the table!



1. marisacat - 3 September 2008

She’s going straight for the prairie oysters, as they are called…

2. marisacat - 3 September 2008

this inthe previoius thread lanquished…so here it is:

Intermittent Bystander

Guess nobody got through security (hahahahahahaahhahaa!) in a polar bear costume, huh?

From Looking safer than the silly season…, 2008/09/03 at 7:54 PM

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008
4. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

Vote for McCain, he survived!

5. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

She did really well. No doubt about that.

6. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Heeeere’s Johnny!

7. marisacat - 3 September 2008

She is a fantastic fascist… their prayers have been answered.!

I am guessing Ob is calling God. But is he there?

8. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Happy warrior.. it will be hard to break her.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

7 – yes, and two months to win people over.

10. marisacat - 3 September 2008

I loved the slam at the dumb columns, frankly… and no hesitation, they announced they are going for white voters.

11. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

David Brooks is a hoot – “There’s still a policy hole in the Republican platform”. Like for example, how McCain plans to cut taxes.

12. lucid - 3 September 2008

How could they not be going for white voters with this ticket…

13. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Repub crowds are so rowdy. I thought she was going to lose control of them at one point.

14. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Gloria Borger/CNN: “I think we may find ourselves back in the culture wars.”

Ya think?

15. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Via National Journal email:

The Obama campaign responds to Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech:

“The speech that Governor Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush’s speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we’ve heard from George Bush for the last eight years. If Governor Palin and John McCain want to define ‘change’ as voting with George Bush 90 percent of the time, that’s their choice, but we don’t think the American people are ready to take a 10 percent chance on change,” said Bill Burton, an Obama campaign spokesman.

16. marisacat - 3 September 2008

The Corner is all fired up and ready to go!

17. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

15 – a lame response. It’s clear from the speech that they’re not pushing “change”. They’re CONSERVATIVES, for fuck’s sake.

18. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

13 – The rowdier on both sides the better, right?

19. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

GREAT photo!

20. marisacat - 3 September 2008

There was talk months ago Burton should be replaced. Oh well. Linda DOuglas had to recraft the original response to Palin due to Burton (and Clyburn too btw).

21. marisacat - 3 September 2008

LOL 19

I am guessing she poisons her kill, by hand. Or bites the jugular. (yes I read she does it from planes, but … you know)

22. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

18. The rowdier on both sides the better, right?

Sure but they sounded like a monster truck rally crowd. Maybe I’m just too “elitist”. lol

23. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

15. They need some new material. That sounds whiny.

24. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Even Ben SMith, kind of a dog’s body in the politico landscape, posts that the Burton response indicates, they have no developed line of attack on Palin.


25. raincat100 - 3 September 2008

What I wouldn’t give for an Irish media commentator right now…

26. marisacat - 3 September 2008

via Ben SMith, The Forward scrounges up a Jewish relative for Michelle O

27. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

21 – I think she’s a biter – with those big ferocious teeth. Snap snap.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

Is that from the Obama campaign, or did a Kerry blast email go out late?

29. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Team Obama via Anita Dunn on ROmney (guess he stuck a fork in “proud to ba an American”

“Barack Obama has said that families are ‘off-limits,’ and we thought that John McCain agreed. But tonight, John McCain’s handpicked attack dog, Mitt Romney, exposed the fake outrage that the Republicans have been peddling all week as the blatant hypocrisy that it is,” Obama adviser Anita Dunn said in a statement. “The McCain team’s disgusting attack on Barack Obama’s wife shows they would rather generate false outrage to distract from their own problems than talk about the issues facing the American people. Mitt Romney’s attack on a candidate’s wife is as pathetic as his failed presidential campaign.”

30. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Myself, watching Scranton and Chicago since Friday, they have not gotten even their game faces back.


31. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

OT: I’m currently watching an aged cat (free of charge, he is family) for 2 weeks, and it occurs to me that Marisa’s path to Chanel-and-champagne-level riches (without sacrificing all-important blogger independence and integrity) should be 1001 letters of recommendation (for the gig of expert, highly attuned, reliable cat care-and-sitting, with extra credentials in geriatrics) from bloggers, readers, et al.

Probably a better business plan than the dwarf goat-breeding business plan I may have (rambunctiously) mentioned in the past.

32. marisacat - 3 September 2008

the “liberal” callers to KGO are in utter turmoil. One man wants abortion turned back to states so we don’t have t run on it anymore. Well guy that is the plan!

‘Cuz KGO immediately went to her big social negs… in order to sell SC SC SC SC SC…..

Be nice if they cared. LOL


33. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

LOL, check out this thread of comments at Dkos.

The words”bitch” and “Barbie” are bandied about. But my favorites are “shrill woman” and “uppity woman”.

What, no “cunt”?

34. marisacat - 3 September 2008

well except I cannot care for anything anymore. I hung in with Baby as I had her for 16 years and loved her, but it was a huge physical struggle…

Great idea if I was in different shape…


35. marisacat - 3 September 2008


Only sex and sexuality based hatred is free… the others have to excused, hidden, apologised for,etc.

36. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

haha…one Canadian blogger just referred to the US as Canada’s “nether region”.

37. lucid - 3 September 2008

Another OT – Fish took the first set off of Rafa after the latest start in US Open History [after 11 pm]. But Rafa is now up a break in the second… this match could go on all night. [Sorry – I’m a tennis nut & I think Rafa has finally made the men’s game interesting to me again – much like Henin made me obsessive about the women’s game for a good 5 years].

38. lucid - 3 September 2008

haha…one Canadian blogger just referred to the US as Canada’s “nether region”.

Haven’t we been the asshole of the world since the puritans were first excreted here?

39. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

34 – Damn. I was trying to send you evanescent, yet lucrative, non-binding creatures. That leaves PayPal only, for silver.

Just lookin out for the parfum and brut!

40. marisacat - 3 September 2008

That Dkos thread seems esp upset that she MOCKED Ob. As did Guiliani.

I read a line at a rightie site a few weeks about Ob whining about attacks:

Get a helmet buttercup.

41. marisacat - 3 September 2008


well if I could care for kitties I would donate as a foster home for abandoned kittens… thru the Vet WIth Shelter where Baby wa a patient, Pets Unlimited.

I wish I could…

42. bayprairie - 3 September 2008

sniglet from a comment in the threads at thw wapo.

I feel like I’ve just seen a chick flick triple feature: “Norma Rae,” “Miss Congeniality” and “Working Girl” as if directed by Leni Riefenstahl. Keep saying to yourself, “Maybe it’s just a movie; maybe it’s just a movie…”

43. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

39 – Actually, the silver was just the decoration on the collars of the cats.

Night all!

44. marisacat - 3 September 2008

from Dkos (and The Corner and NRO has been collecting them for days, a lot of talk about they/Dkos/Dems have the right to destroy a family to save the nation, and so forth):

When talking about an UnAmerican Secessionist (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

all words of insult is allowed as far as I’m concerned.

by defluxion10 on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 08:10:37 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

45. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Haven’t we been the asshole of the world since the puritans were first excreted here?

Are you saying we’re not original up here? Huh? 😛

That dkos thread sure is the Big WhineFest. Wow. She’s nasty, no doubt, but what did the Dems expect? That Obamalama would be treated with kid gloves by whoever McCain picked?

As mcat noted: they are really unprepared. Old material and old, misogynist insults. Obama and Biden attack with smiles on their faces too but that’s okay, right “progressives”?

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

42 – that’s actually a not bad description.

38 – you were obviously out smoking dope and committing sodomy behind the gym instead of attending your American Exceptionalism class. Sadly, once John “Steed” McCain and Mrs. Peel win you’ll be removed from that citizenship you don’t appreciate.

47. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008


all words of insult is allowed as far as I’m concerned.

Bush? Is that you?

Here’s an actual Bush quote I caught today:

Bush in Baton Rouge:

And finally, the people in Louisiana must know that all across our country there’s a lot of prayer —prayer for those whose lives have been turned upside down. And I’m one of them.


48. marisacat - 3 September 2008


well I am probably lagging here… not catching the drift.

FWIW fashion wise, Baby wore rhinestones on red suede…

49. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Callers to KGO male and female, black adn white, are blaming her for the out of wedlock baby.

Good going Ob. Yewknitty is all over…

50. Heather-Rose Ryan - 3 September 2008

40 – yeah – she was “mean” and “catty”. Gasp! How dare she be mean to Our Savior!

But Joe will eat her for lunch! crow a few.

They live in a dream world over there, on their little island.

46: well I don’t think she has the gravitas, shall we say, of Diana Rigg but it would certainly liven things up if she appeared at the press conf or debate in a skintight black leather jumpsuit.

51. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

Is billmon really this clueless?

Why the repeated attacks on “community organizers”?

by billmon

This “community organizer” schtick has been one of Obama’s weaknesses because he’s barely even described it in his public appearances. What do they expect over there in Orange Kool-aid Land?

52. bayprairie - 3 September 2008

dkos is a tiny albatross around ob’s neck at present. but the repubs are hunting instances of sexism in much the same manner that david axelrod looks for the racist-angle plays, and they already made the NYT earlier this week with unfounded rumor posts, since erased completely.

if that albatross gets much bigger and becomes an angle in the issue it sure is going to be fun to watch ob DISOWN the dkossers. bitch calls in a frontpager’s diary is just begging for it.

down here on this end of the party line its sure gonna be fun to watch if, or when, it happens.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 September 2008

50- it was the gun and the hair that made me think of Peel … I make these weird connections and run with them, ESPECIALLY if a cool video is there to link to.

All over America, there are Republicans tugging on their little Republicans hoping for a leather jumpsuit.

54. marisacat - 3 September 2008

All over America, there are Republicans tugging on their little Republicans hoping for a leather jumpsuit.

Oh so funny!

55. marisacat - 3 September 2008

lotta unahppiness in party line Dem homes tonight.

56. bayprairie - 3 September 2008

ruh roh

…Obama has exhibited uncommon competence in managing the slickest and most efficient campaign since Mark Hannah got William McKinley elected president. However, like Hannah, who ran afoul of his corporate interests by selecting Teddy Roosevelt for vice president, Obama may have doomed his prospects by not selecting Hillary as his running mate…

57. lucid - 3 September 2008

46 – amazing thing… from roughly 1981 [when I was in 3rd grad] to 1990 [when I graduated from High School]… in public school, in Indiana, mind you, I was never once forced to say the pledge of allegiance. They would sometimes say it at school honors functions [a notorious one being my freshman year, when my best buddy stood up and screamed ‘fascists’ in the silence after the pledge at the senior honors banquet… caused quite a stir – we both sat during the pledge, but he was the only one to actually scream something, and was suspended for his troubles…] But we never had to sing the anthem or say the pledge in school.

This is in part why all of this crap confuses me. I grew up in probably the reddest mid western state in the ’80’s & I didn’t even know the words to the national anthem until my sister, in disgust, posted them on my bulletin board when I was 10… I guess my question is, where did all this shit come from?

58. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

This is NOT in The Onion: Obama might pursue criminal charges against Bush

Right. And I “might” spend a million dollars this xmas…

59. Intermittent Bystander - 3 September 2008

48 – Free-associating on silver and felines, that’s all.

(Clearly we need a – don’t worry Repubs, strictly volunteer – Visiting Cats and Dogs Assocation. Call it the Peace Dividend! Oh right, nevermind.)

Weirdly enough, “sarcasm” is starting to emerge as talking point on the GE network.

Must sleep! Now!

60. marisacat - 3 September 2008


sorry! I missed that………………………… 😉


bayprairie out of Moderation, up thread at 52 and 56, only one was in mod, but i forgt which one.. 😉

61. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Rove to the troops.. WSJ

The threat Mrs. Palin poses is why Mr. Obama’s campaign has moved rapidly to disparage her record, and why left-wing bloggers have engaged in nonstop character smears against her and her family. Some in the press have aided and abetted this because they feel left out of the preannouncement vetting process. The danger for Democrats is twofold: in highlighting Mrs. Palin’s inexperience, they may focus attention on Mr. Obama’s; and the harsh attacks levied against Mrs. Palin could completely undermine the Obama promise of a “new politics.” In the vice-presidential debate, Democrats must be concerned about Mr. Biden appearing bombastic and condescending — which is almost a permanent state of mind for the Delaware senator — while Mrs. Palin comes across as fresh, straight talking, nonpolitical and therefore appealing.

This will be history’s shortest general-election campaign. The race is tight, so every new variable carries substantial risk and opportunity. So while the GOP vice-presidential pick is by far the more creative and bold, it is also the more dangerous.

But even if Mrs. Palin does well, as I believe she will, it is still Mr. McCain’s performance in the next 61 days that will matter most. Sarah Palin can help advance the McCain reform narrative, but the hard work still rests squarely on the shoulders of John McCain. And that’s exactly where the maverick and war hero wants it.

62. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Victor Davis Hanson at The Corner. Something tells me Ob and Knob have no new rhetoric to deal with the GAME CHANGER.

[T]he Left [well that would be Democrats and not The Nowhere Left — Mcat] made a terrible mistake in the manner they have smeared Palin, and now they seem appalled at the red-state authentic populist backlash which is a different sort than studied Bidenism, where one recalls a distant childhood, not the recent past, or the living present, to prove they are one with the people.

So things heat up and are getting ugly as they always seem to do by September in an election year. Today it was no accident in the wake of the attacks on Palin that suddenly Obama comes out with pro-abortion ads attacking the pro-life position of McCain. The timing is a sort of subtext about the current and recent Palin jr. and sr. pregnancies: apparently Team Obama want the viewer to see a pregnant teen-ager and a Down syndrome child and ponder something like: “under John McCain abortion in these cases would have been impossible.”

63. marisacat - 3 September 2008

Sully does not get it. Catch the graf, Paris Hilton vs Sarah Palin vs Britney Spears vs Micheal Phillips vs Barack Obama.

How FiveThirtyEight (where he got it) described it.

Guess Who’s a Celebrity Now?

Since her name was announced as John McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin has generated more US-based internet search traffic than Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Michael Phelps and Barack Obama combined:


They don’t get it. Republicans want and can use this…

64. CSTAR - 3 September 2008

The number of wikipedia changes on Palin’s article are now running at about 500 per 24 hour period.

65. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

I think the Palin pick has thrown their fall strategy into disarray. So many Dems kept saying, ‘nobody really knows Obama but people start paying attention after Labour Day anyway’.

Guess who they’re paying attention to now?

66. liberalcatnip - 3 September 2008

And Obama is basically old news by now, anyway. It wasn’t a matter of people not knowing who he was, even though his handlers seemed to think it was.

67. marisacat - 3 September 2008

“She was put on this earth to do two things: kill caribou and kick butt. She’s all out of caribou.”

LOL Jonah Goldberg of all white worms, got off a good one.

68. marisacat - 3 September 2008


… and for days the Dems have let that drop as push back. Better to put a bright surgical light on her birth canal. They think

69. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

Joshua Frank: Progressive Democrats of America did not endorse your candidacy? Did they give you a reason as to why? What has your support been like among Democrats in general this year?

Cindy Sheehan: PDA only endorses Democratic candidates, so to the organization, it’s not how progressive a candidate is, but what letter comes after their name.

They won’t endorse Pelosi, I don’t think, at least that’s what I have been told, but I think the organization should enthusiastically endorse me because of my platform and the work I have done with them.

I have had some very private endorsements from Democrats, but nothing public. I also have a few top people in the California Democratic National Committee who are helping me behind the scenes because they have been warned away from my campaign.

I know I have to appeal to progressive Democrats to win, but I think my message does this directly. However, “Decline to State” makes up the second highest amounts of registration here in San Francisco, so we just need an aggressive campaign to get the progressive message out there… — Dissident Voice 9/3/08

70. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

#65: I’d call him an empty suit, but that doesn’t really do justice to some of the repulsive shit he’s said. Everyone who thinks he’d dare attack Palin by calling her family “shiftless” raise your hands.

Just another craven asshole, after the low-hanging fruit. What else is new, for Democrats ? I was just re-reading some of the older SMBIVA posts where Obama peddles the flag-hugger version of ‘Nam, scorning the “dirty hippies,” and so forth. There’s no Reagan-esque fiction the man can’t dig up and reanimate. He wasn’t in the room when they were handing out shame.

It never seems to occur to Democrat faithful that you can’t attack a Republican and re-re-re-chew half-digested Right Wing mush at the same time. People can sense you’re full of crap and that you’re trying to have it both ways, even if they don’t articulate their distrust and/or ennui out loud.

Fuck ’em. They deserve to lose. Not that they’ll ever accept responsibility for it. The base can’t even remember anything that happened three days ago, much less three years ago, so even the long-time Democrat love affair with Senator Maverick will be lost in the mists of history. Along with the (boo hoo) now-traitorous Holy Joe being trotted out in ’00 as some kind of freedom-loving moderate, Biden’s repeated failures as a candidate, and so on…

71. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

Some good news for a change: Found the owner of the cat that we rescued. So “Steve” aka “Buddy” will convalesce with us until he can get his booster shots in a couple of weeks, then he can go home.

72. lucid - 3 September 2008

Since her name was announced as John McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin has generated more US-based internet search traffic than Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Michael Phelps and Barack Obama combined:

A few days ago I was waiting for the photoshop of her gutting a moose with her teeth… now I’m just waiting for the pantyless crotch shot… It’s fucking ridiculous. Everyone is fucking ridiculous. WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!

I will never understand why this country is so fixated on everything except the laws and public policies that directly affect their lives. Honestly… Britney’s vagina holds as much interest for me as Bristol’s pregnancy – which is to say the same as Barak’s daughters and Joe Biden’s family tragedy. If you’re my friend I might give a shit. If you’re a celebrity obstructing the reasonable governance of the country I live in , fuck you.

Why this country can no longer have reasoned political debate is obvious – and it has nothing to do with ‘partisanship’.

As we all know, spectacle makes better headlines, and reality is discarded into the toilet… where no one’s shit stinks, because it is casually flushed away to ‘progressively’ poison the water supply.

73. marisacat - 3 September 2008

ms xeno

when yu have a chacne, did they dump him or he got lost?

74. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

He got lost, Mcat. Slipped out of the house and was just cavorting in the nice weather– didn’t feel like going home. We thought he’d been abandoned, but we had his house of origin home. His owner’s an older retiree who was tapped out from caring from his other cat, who died earlier this year. That was why Steve/Buddy hadn’t been to the vet. Anyway, they had a nice reunion on Monday and we told the neighbor he can come by to see him whenever we’re home. Etc.

75. ms_xeno - 3 September 2008

D’oh. Meant to say We had his house of origin WRONG. Sorry. It’s late.

76. marisacat - 3 September 2008

“Killa from Wasilla”

Terry Moran ABC

77. marisacat - 3 September 2008

ms xeno on Steve 2

well I thnk this had a good ending

78. lucid - 4 September 2008

I think the biggest moron award tonight goes to the woman from the CA delegation interviewed by Andrea Mitchell who said, ‘I think that the security of this country is more important than, um, my pro-choice, so I think that Sarah Palin is going to keep us safe.’ [and that’s damn close – I just watched it, so it isn’t too much of a paraphrase]

good god… to much ‘missing white women’ on national news for you.

Again… not that the Dems give a shit, but the sheer stupidity of that statement makes me embarassed to be a human being.

79. marisacat - 4 September 2008

From The Corner:

One Small Point About Palin [Mark Hemingway]

Rich and Jay — both of whom liked Palin’s speech quite a bit — have made the observation that the speech might have been just a bit too sarcastic. That’s a fair criticism. But while the pundits may try and make hay out of that aspect of the speech, I think that her sarcasm won’t be received poorly at all by the vast majority of America. After what she’s gone through these last few days, I think the perception will be that she earned the right to hit back. And hit back she did — masterfully.

09/04 02:19 AM

Oh the Dems will whine, they all do that, from Obama down up and sideways. Bill may be whiner in chief but Obama is working to be a replacement. It was hard to find it after his speech at the 50 yard line, but some courageous souls noted how JOYLESS he was.

Not so with Palin.

AND teh Dems missed their chance. They only brought out the sharpened butter knives at their convention. BIIIIG mistake.

Their motto should be

We have hardly begun to fight, because we don’t know how. Never learned as we don’t want to deny our Masters, the Republicans, their rights.

I have zero idea who will win, so relieved I moved on from that…

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008
81. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Gloria Steinem in the LAT.

Predictably so called Liberals are gonna miss the point.

After a lot of lecturing (all sides do it)… she closes with this. hmm Not what I see in Ob and Knob.

And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can’t be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

This could be huge.

82. marisacat - 4 September 2008

hmm from Madman’s link (to NielsenHayden):

And somebody I care about is there, working in a building a block away from where that window-smashing photo was taken, and he’s really disquieted—both by the idiots who broke stuff and gave law enforcement the excuse to use tear gas and pepper spray and concussion grenades and who-knows-what-all, and by the overwhelming riot squad and other enforcement presence on the streets of St. Paul and the Mississippi River, which is apparently being patrolled by a Coast Guard vessel with what looks like twin 50-caliber machine guns. (No confirmation on the exact nature of the alleged armaments, so maybe somebody could get a picture and identify that for sure, please? And weren’t the Canadians complaining about armed Coast Guard vessels drilling on the Great Lakes recently?) I’m not real thrilled by the idea of that boat with guns. Or by seeing a photo of his usual smoking porch, full of riot cops.

Well alst I heard, whcih was years ago, we had decided to not mount those 50 caliber guns on the boats that patrol the Great Lakes, and our border with our Great Enemy (because they have Health Care) …


83. NYCO - 4 September 2008

OK, fantasy football time: How would Hillary have done against her?

84. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Telling quote, from this article:

Minor Smith, 57, a North Slope worker from Wasilla, who was baptized in the same church as Palin and knows her husband, Todd, said he wasn’t worried that Sarah would crumble under the pressure. In fact, he said, it’s just the type of fight she likes.

“She is perfectly able to defend herself. She’s a little tiger,” he said of the woman he got to know at church picnics. “She loves this stuff. This is what she lives for.”

That’s the impression I got from her speech.

Now why is it that the Democrats, supposedly the “feminist party”, have had 30+ years to groom and train powerful women candidates, and haven’t yet managed to come up with a version of Palin?


It is entirely their fault that women’s reproductive rights are vanishing in this country. They have let the right wing steal the flag in this battle and the rest of us are stuck with the consequences.

Carol Bearman, 42, said she was visting from the Prince William Sound community of Valdez to go moose hunting. Bearman said Palin was tough, like every Alaska woman.

Bearman noted that many pundits predict that Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden will have no trouble dismantling the green Palin during debates.

“They all say Biden is going to eat her up and spit her out. I think the opposite is going to happen,” Bearman said after Palin’s speech.

I agree. My forecast is that Biden is going to do his frantic smirky thing through the whole debate and will look like a total ass. All she has to do is present a confident, unruffled demeanor and be glib and polished. If it were a real debate, where they would be required to go in-depth on issues, things would probably be different, but the debates nowadays are just sound-bite generators.

To quote MCat: we are so fucked. May they all congeal.

85. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

81, Steinem:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

Huh? They are? News to me.

Steinem is a dreary failure perpetuating a fake. She is propping up the illusion that there is a real choice, that many powerful people in the established hierarchy are actually on the side of women and will look out for our interests. It’s a Big Lie. Mary Daly has written about this quite a bit – I think I posted something from her here a while back.

86. marisacat - 4 September 2008

OK, fantasy football time: How would Hillary have done against her?

Well for days some of the slower Dems HAVE cuaght on that they need hIllary to fight back at That Woman. So depending we may get to catch of glimpse.

The supposition I have read around that HIllary will re enter the battle in a new energised way is that her place in history is threatened if That Woman gets near the WH before she does.

I kinda feel for Ob. Not the woman sandwich he wanted.

87. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Touring the “Liberals” has been a real downer. From Conason to Alter to Dowd (a day before the speech)… and so on…

88. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

What If: if Obama had picked Hillary, then McCain would have picked Pawlenty and we would be looking at a very different scenario.

I think Ob made a big mistake not picking Hillary. Or for all I know, he asked her and she turned him down, though it seems unlikely that she would do that.

89. marisacat - 4 September 2008

By the way, I caught Cindy McCain with Gwen Ifill (who looked stunned last night after the Palin speech) and she had no trouble indicating very clearly she was fully involved in the VPessa (for real!) pick.

A real slam at how the Dems ahve had to re-package and re package MO (not all her fault, but she was out there unscripted for many months…uh it did not work). part of which has been repeated claims she has no involvement in all of that. Oh I so buy that one.

Also this, CMcC with katie Couric.

90. marisacat - 4 September 2008


No I don’t think Ob asked her. I sensed that the leaks that she was not vetted, at all, in any way, came from her camp.

I can see the reasons why not, but unfortunately iup agaisnt Biden it kind of pales. Yea Pawlenty would have been such a dull traditional pick.

91. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Sullivan is a jerk:

I’m just slack-jawed that, so far, the entire speech has been basically about her family. She seems as if she just won a reality show and is introducing her folks. And they have passed the baby now to four different people – including another child. Slack-jawed.

Hey, you were the one with his briefs in a bunch clamoring for a look at her medical records.

92. NYCO - 4 September 2008

91. Yes, and mostly what we got from Obama and his camp were paeans to his diverse ancestral genes. So what’s Sully’s problem?

93. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Ob needed to pro actively help his poorest step brother and his stpe grandmother (the R likely are gearing up to use this, and the school renamed for him, on land his gfrather donated, that he promised to help – then they never heard from him again, uh if you don’t take care of blood, etc.. I am sure we can write the script)… and then spend some time being more involved with the American people.

94. marisacat - 4 September 2008

LOL Sully hates everyone but Sully and Miss Maggie (Thatcher)… so many people wrote to him across months, in so many differnt ways to rethink his daily Hill hating. That it was mean and counterproductive.

hmmm new meat for Sul guy.

95. marisacat - 4 September 2008

ugh and I truly dislike Steyn. (send him back catnip way, he’s Canadian):

Credit where it’s due [Mark Steyn]

I would like to thank the US media for doing such a grand job this last week of lowering expectations by portraying Governor Palin – whoops, I mean Hick-Burg Mayor Palin – as a hillbilly know-nothing permapregnant ditz, half of whose 27 kids are the spawn of a stump-toothed uncle who hasn’t worked since he was an extra in Deliverance.

How’s that narrative holding up, geniuses? Almost as good as your “devoted husband John Edwards” routine?

I trust even now Maureen Dowd is working on a hilarious new column mocking proposed names for the Governor’s first grandchild. Perhaps Richard Cohen can just take the week off and they can rerun his insightful analysis comparing the Palin nomination to Caligula making his horse a consul. Whereas we sophisticates all know that if McCain were as smart as Obama he’d have nominated a dead horse to be his consul. No wait…

09/04 08:17 AM

96. NYCO - 4 September 2008

Biden vs. Palin debate cannot get here soon enough for moi.

97. marisacat - 4 September 2008

uh well except Ob is silencio ono the trail and I think Biden muttered something. or toehr..


Starting tomorrow, the Democrats can and must come back hard on this issue of “reform”. McCain/Palin reform is just … well, there’s nothing. It’s an overused phrase but it is all rhetoric. Not only has their party been in power for 8 years. But every policy pushed by John McCain is the one embraced by George Bush. Economic policy, tax policy, Iraq policy, social issues, Bush style politicking, everything. I’m not sure how many people agree with me. But I think the rhetorical ‘reform’ of McCain/Palin is like a big, imposing and very brittle vase. A few good hits and it’ll break apart in a thousand pieces.

They’ve been in power for eight years. They support all of Bush’s policies. And they say they’re bringing reform? Smack it with ridicule and an undertone of contempt and it will fall right apart.

–Josh Marshall

and sad to say this applies to the Democrats:

They support all of Bush’s policies.

98. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Folks at DKos are so concerned about the Precious BayBee! Just a few selections:

playing hot potato with the baby (5+ / 0-)

Mr sarah treats the baby like it’s got cooties. Everybody holds this kid but his father.

by stillonline on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:43:31 AM PDT

kick the baby! (0+ / 0-)

did you see how fast she passed the baby on!?? OMG! You could also tell that she does not hold him much by the way she was having troubles hefting him – she does not have the arm strength to hold her own baby! If she was holding him all the time, she would be used to it by now!
by bror on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:58:07 AM PDT

Why is the baby always asleep? (2+ / 0-)

He does seem like a prop. I’ve seen several shots of the family with the baby & he is always asleep or quiet. He does seem like a prop – and is used as one, so much is made of the fact she “chose” to have the baby with the special needs, but yes, wouldn’t it be better for the child to be in a quiet crib? Most babies I knew fussed if they weren’t held by their primary caregiver. Hope they arent putting something in his formula to keep him quiet.

by HylasBrook on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:49:08 AM PDT

“She doesn’t have the arm strength to hold her own baby”. What a hoot.

They are all such experts – like “Donna in Rome” who nursed her kids for 7 years or whatever, but can’t figure out how working women manage to breastfeed.

The baby doesn’t look like Palin or her husband (0+ / 0-)

They did a close up shot of the baby after Palin’s speech. He doesn’t look like either one of his “parents”.
by Centrocitta on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:04:10 AM PDT

Of course he doesn’t – he’s 4 months old and has Down’s.

What a bunch of maroons.

99. marisacat - 4 September 2008

new thread



100. marisacat - 4 September 2008


I am moving your comment forward… not to worry

101. baypraire - 4 September 2008

What If: if Obama had picked Hillary, then McCain would have picked Pawlenty and we would be looking at a very different scenario.

I think Ob made a big mistake not picking Hillary. Or for all I know, he asked her and she turned him down, though it seems unlikely that she would do that.

agreed, although i think if ob had picked hillary mccain would have been able to finesse leiberman. the ob and hillary ticket was the rovian’s greatest fear. that ticket would have been unstoppable.

too bad ob’s pride and arrogance was stronger than his will to win. but he just thought he didn’t need her on the ticket, after all, he won a whopping 52% (approx) of his own party.

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