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Gah. Well. Whatever… 4 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


.. at least we have a race, of some sort. For the purposes of observation.. 😉 And the Democrats are shaken, but not stirred. NOR are they hunting for their hearts, minds, guts, spines, limbic systems, central nervous systems… they know what they are. All those vestiges of a human body are long gone.

When’s the last time they did something BIG for [cough choke strangle] The Base?

Maybe Ob could wear TWO flags and maybe a “We bombed Iraq, I opposed it before I supported it” pin???

The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ “The O’Reilly Factor.”

As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. On Thursday, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.

“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”

LOL As above, Gah. Well. Whatever:

Listen, if they want to work the refs, they are free to do so. I think the public can make their judgments about this. The notion that any questions about her work in Alaska is somehow not relevant to her potentially being vice president of the United States doesn’t make too much sense to me. I think she has got a compelling story, but I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want to be treated, which means their records are under scrutiny. I have been through this for 19 months. She has been through it, what, four days so far.

They don’t have an agenda to run on. They haven’t offered a single concrete idea so far in two nights about how they would make the lives of middle class Americans better. They’ve spent the entire two nights attacking me or extolling John McCain’s biography, which is fine. They can use their convention time any way they want, but you can’t expect that I’d be surprised about attacks from Republicans.

And by the way, you know, I’ve been called worse on the basketball court. It’s not that big of a deal.

Via Ben Smith (spead across two entries)

I see Tapper indicates that the “working the refs” section of the reply was to issues of sexism … Yes, right, carry on. I have noticed R operatives out today, eager to point out that they took issue with how Hillary was treated. If Ob is leaving push back to Biden, then possibly Friday could be amusing. Biden, i saw, has declared that ”one line zingers” are not his specialty.

What is then?



1. mattes - 4 September 2008

How did the surge workout when Iraq is about to give the oil contracts to China? And they want us out.

2. marisacat - 4 September 2008

I don’t know… but obviously fortunate that obama scrubbed his site of his earlier surge comments.

3. marisacat - 4 September 2008


Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) also believe the GOP vice presidential nominee has better experience to be president of the United States than Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

But 49% give Obama the edge on experience, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey – taken before Palin’s historic speech Wednesday night to the Republican National Convention. ::snip::

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

MSNBC just had a dentist arguing from the convention floor that the pipeline is good for the caribou, because it’s warm and their are fewer mosquitos near it.

*** shakes head ***

I live in a nation of morons.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

Hate Party

I usually don’t feel uneasy when I put those filters on, but last night – during the Guiliani speech – I realized I was no longer filtering a speechwriter’s intentional manipulation; I was trying to look beyond real hate. These folks were gritting their teeth, shaking their fists, and smiling the way gladiators do when going into combat against barbarians. And this is the incumbent party. The ones currently in power.

What is it they hate? Guiliani and Palin both made it pretty clear: community organizing. Community organizing is energized from below. From the periphery. It is the direction and facilitation of mass energy towards productive and cooperative ends. It is about replacing conflict with collaboration. It is the opposite of war; it is peace.

Last night, the Republican Convention made it clear they prefer war. They see the world as a dangerous and terrible place. Like the fascist leaders satirized in Starship Troopers, they say they believe it is better to be on the offensive, taking the war to the people who might wish us harm than playing defense. It is better to be an international aggressor – a bulldog with lipstick – than led by the misguided notion that attacking people itself makes the world a more dangerous place.
In their attack on community organizing – a word combination they pretended they didn’t know what it meant – Giuliani and Palin revealed their refusal to acknowledge the kinds of bottom-up processes through which our society was built, and through which local communities can begin to assert some authority over their schools, environments, and economies. Without organized communities, you don’t get the reduction in centralized government the Republicans pretend to be arguing for. In their view, community organizing as, at best, equivalent to disruptive and unpredictable Al Qaeda activity.

Only a leader with McCain’s war record and paternal qualifications can help Americans muster and maintain the tenacity necessary to “drill baby drill,” (even though this will have no influence on oil price or supply) and generate the requisite hate to “kill baby, kill.” As I explained in Coercion, having a parent figure on whom to transfer authority allows people to regress to a more childlike state. This not only allows them to feel safe; if gives them the freedom to express their rage. Make no mistake – that’s what we’re witnessing. And this rage – not America – is the greatest threat to humanity’s long-term chances for survival. Republican party representatives are proud today that their convention has finally produced the “same level of energy and enthusiasm” as the DNC’s last week. And while it may have produced the same level of excitement, the excitement was of a very different character. It’s much easier to get people riled up but inviting them to hate a man – particularly one who they haven’t been allowed to hate for traditional reasons. Giuliani’s job – much like his job as mayor of NYC – was to give the Republicans in attendance permission to hate Obama and the potentially intelligent society he represents. It’s not about city vs. country or educated vs. military. It’s about thought vs. violence.

6. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

4. On top of that, he was wearing a helmet with “Drill here” spelled out over his cranium.

7. Intermittent Bystander - 4 September 2008

4 – If that was the same guy with the hardhat labeled “Drill Here” and “Drill Now,” maybe somebody did?

For the record, AP’s fact-checking story – Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention – had this to say about TheSquirrelChef’s Sizzler:

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin “got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.”

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor’s election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

8. CSTAR - 4 September 2008

#6 If that was the same guy with the hardhat labeled “Drill Here” and “Drill Now,” maybe somebody did?

They need to cover their asses.

9. marisacat - 4 September 2008

This is an interesting posting on Palin and her magnetic aspects. Don’t know the author and tho he says he will not be voting for McC I found the link thru white worm Jonah Goldberg. hmmm

I tend to think both rationality and morality require that we often disapprove of, discount, and override our gut reactions. That said, my gut found Sarah Palin enormously appealing.

First, let me just get it out of the way: I think she is a tremendously sexy woman. How this will effect the race, I have no idea, but it’s just got to. It’s not an issue of glamour so much as a kind of Paglian chthonic sexual power. Set in that context, her unabashed embrace of her fecundity and motherhood as a kind of qualification makes a lot of sense. Megan O’Rourke’s post on Palin’s political eros has it right, and I think she may even be on to something when she says we got a “glimpse of a novel problem for a presidential candidate: sexual tension with his VP.”

Palin exudes sexual confidence and maternal authority, which in a relatively conservative culture like ours is the most recognizable and viscerally comprehensible form of female power. It makes a lot of men uncomfortable, but that’s because it’s the kind of female power they are most often subject to, and most often fail to successfully resist.

I caught the tag end of some informal chat during a news update on KGO, soemthing is due to break in the 9/15 Enquirer, but I missed about who or what. I hate partial gossip!

10. marisacat - 4 September 2008

well think of it thisway, it could have been T Paw LOL as they call him. Speaking now at the floor of the convention.

11. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Madman out of Moderation, “Hate Party” link and snip…

12. Intermittent Bystander - 4 September 2008

5 and 7 – LOL.

I see thereisnospoon is (coyly) flacking his focus-grope experteeze to analyze the ballot value of Palin’s tweets-per-minute charismatics.

What the Palin pick was designed to do was appeal to independents and to Hillary’s voters. By that measure, I’m almost certain that she flopped terribly. I could be horribly wrong, of course, but already the data are appearing to bear me out.

Of course, insofar as the speech was written for her she may escape much of the blame for this debacle. But that doesn’t matter now: she gave the speech. She owns it.

And now the GOP will get to pay the price.

13. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

It’s pretty obvious that either the Obama campaign and/or the Townhouse mailing list sent out an alert to go after the “community organizer” meme today.

14. marisacat - 4 September 2008

focus grope

That is VERY good.

Well there is a post at THe Page that indicates point 1 and 2 in the R attack is to make Ob ”so left he’s left the country” and a “hippie sandal wearing community organiser”.

15. Intermittent Bystander - 4 September 2008

Keef breaks in to announce O fundraising update – tally is now $10 million overnight.

I think the latest on the Nat Enquirer story is that Palin camp is threatening to sue.

16. Intermittent Bystander - 4 September 2008

Watch out ms_x – They may start going after local cat immunization organizers next!

17. NYCO - 4 September 2008

You know what’s sad? I doubt Obama will even respond to the attacks on the profession of community organizing.

18. marisacat - 4 September 2008

He’ll wear a bigger flag pin and say he never was a CO. Someone mis heard him.

19. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

17. I saw a clip of his response. Let’s see if I can find the story.

20. NYCO - 4 September 2008

On maternal fecundity and feminism: Strange, but as a woman with no kids, I find myself unintimidated by the serially fecund. It’s the moms with the 2.5 (or usually just 1) organically raised, super-coddled obsessive “projects” (as opposed to “kids”) who tend to freak me out.

And the ones who believe they’re the first ones to experience motherhood, so they need to write columns and columns about how unique their experience is. Stuff a sock in it – I’d rather hang around with the broodmares.

21. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Here you go:

“He worked as a community organizer. What?” former Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani told the convention crowd, prompting laughter.

“I guess a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer except that you have actual responsibilities,” Palin added later in the night. The line drew cheers and derisive laughter, but not from Obama.

“Why would that kind of work be ridiculous?” he asked Thursday. “Who are they fighting for? … They don’t get it because they haven’t spent much time working on behalf of those folks.”

How many of the Republican delegates, 93 percent of whom are white, are familiar with community organizers is debatable. More than half have a net worth in excess of $500,000 and may have no need for someone like Julio Medina of New York.

“We’re talking about being in touch with the homeless, being in touch with the under-educated, being in touch with the unemployed,” said Medina. “A community organizer is that presence for hope when hope doesn’t exist.”

Obama said he was not surprised by the Republican rhetoric.

“I’ve been called worse on the basketball court,” he said. “It’s not that big of a deal.”

Though Obama caught only a small part of Palin’s speech last night, his aides watched and were impressed. She is a skilled politician, they said, and deft at going on the attack.

Another weak response while he has the blogosphere fighting back for him.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 4 September 2008

The Word from Wasilla (The Nation) is a letter from one of the locals who protested the library/librarian controversy during Palin’s mayor years.

23. marisacat - 4 September 2008

oh I am nto impressed with it, personally, but I see it. I live in a neighborhood with bumper crops of triplets. One of my desires is that they not fully fill up a sidewalk corner. Which they can do, 3 moms with 3 triplet buggies.


But then my mother was not impressed with motherhood, such aas it is, and was very irritated with anyting that addressed “moms”.

24. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

I had one kid and after 38 hours of labour I thought any woman who decided to have more was absolutely insane. (I also come from a family with 6 kids). “Super mom” status doesn’t impress me. If that was a qualification, the Repubs should have picked this woman.

25. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008


26. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

KO just apologized for showing the 9/11 video from the RNC saying it was “inappropriate”.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

‘Why are these cops so afraid of us?’

The band’s original plan was to play an impromptu gig at left-wing rally Ripple Effect. Sadly, the police had other ideas, leaving Zack de la Rocha to address some angry fans.

“Rage Against the Machine is a band that has never, ever advocated violence,” he, er, rages. “We’ve always advocated a direct opposition to unjust wars like the one started by John McCain and the Republicans and Bush and all of them.”

He continues: “Why the fuck are these cops so afraid of us? Are they afraid of us?”

The crowd shouts: “YES!”

Zack shouts back: “No!”

The crowd shouts: “NO!”

Zack shouts back: “They’re not afraid of us, they’re afraid of you!”

The crowd shouts: “YES!”

28. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Frankly, I think KO is trying way too hard to be relevant this week. After every single interview and speech from the convention, he acts like he’s the defacto fact checker of the week who has to rebut absolutely anything that touches Obama in a negative way.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

Lindsey Graham: “this speech is for the veterans”.


Weeks later, the Pentagon was at a loss to explain the sudden upsurge of suicide attempts among Iraq War veterans that occurred on September 4th.

30. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Lindsay slapped back that line that ‘MCain did nto get it’. With the fascistic memorial to WW2 int he bakground.

LOL Lindsay, night blooming flower of the south.

31. marisacat - 4 September 2008

“Mother Moosehunter maverick mayor governor maverick”.


32. NYCO - 4 September 2008


Obama said he was not surprised by the Republican rhetoric.

“I’ve been called worse on the basketball court,” he said. “It’s not that big of a deal.”

Well, I imagine to community organizers, being insulted before millions of TV viewers is a big deal. Obama’s quote was weak; the response from Julio Medina (a surrogate, or just a random organizer picked off the street?) was stronger.

It would have been nice if Obama had stood up and, you know, defended community organizers, instead of brushing it off as a personal taunt about him. I dunno, maybe I missed the full quote?

An acquaintance of mine is a community organizer and big Obama supporter, so this pisses me off a tad more than usual.

33. NYCO - 4 September 2008

I had a vision of the goddess Pali(n). A dancing mooseheaded deity with bare shoulders and 8 snaky arms, each one of them cradling a sleeping babe.

34. marisacat - 4 September 2008

homosexual swipe.. ”not abuot talking pretty, about talking straight”

35. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Yes but who has he defended? Really? Of course to the extent he USED the work of organisers, he shuld give a flying hoo hoo.

But, not happening.

36. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Holy crap, she’s boring.

37. marisacat - 4 September 2008

really bad.

38. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

McSurge is set to speak for 50-some minutes. I feel a coma coming on.

39. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Looks like the History Channel now.

40. wilfred - 4 September 2008

And now a short film about John McCain, by Leni Riefenstahl.

41. maddie - 4 September 2008

Delurking for a moment…

NYCO #20 – I have a child that was born 6 weeks premature and has had significant developmental delays (speech and social/emotional). So I often feel like one of those parents who is raising an “organically raised, super-coddled obsessive ‘projects'”. I get a little defensive about it, although I doubt you were talking about people like me. My daughter’s problems are subtle, though completely apparent to me. Most people who deal with my 4-yr old daughter just think I am a bad mother.

I have to say, I question Palin’s ability to deal with a special needs child while being VP. Now if she says her husband will raise the kids, she will hire someone else, etc… Fine. But a special needs child needs a full-time caregiver. Sorry, but that is just a fact. If she is going to try to sell me on some “I’m a Superwoman and can do it all” line, well, I call bullshit. It is hard enough on women that they are expected to hold down full-time jobs and still carry all of the home and child-rearing responsibilities. I don’t need a woman in the limelight telling me this is what I am expected to do, especially with a special needs child. I have enough problems with this already.

And furthermore, after 15+ years of listening to the Republicans and the media call Hillary a mean, tough, ball-breaking bitch, denigrating her in every way they could, I find it pretty ironic that they trot out Palin and her speech last night as their female standard-bearer. She pretty much epitomized “ball-breaking bitch” last night as I’ve understood the media and Republican’s definition of it over the past several years.

Frankly, I thought her speech was fine. But I do have a problem with her being touted as a “tough happy warrior” when Hillary has been crucified for speeches/comments that were much more tame than that. Jesus, it’s patheic all the way around…Republicans beating up on Hillary, Democrats beating up on Pailn.

Christ…what a world we’re living in.

42. maddie - 4 September 2008

Just to add… NYCO, only my first paragraph was meant to be a response to your comment. All of the rest is just general commentary.

43. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Yikes! What happened there??

44. wilfred - 4 September 2008

43. What happened? I’m addicted to the US Open and missed it.

45. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

It was either a really drunk Repub woman wanting to strip or a protester – possibly Code Pink (?). She was shouted down by the crowd – USA USA – and then she was hauled away.

46. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

MSNBC showed someone in the crowd with a banner earlier that said “You can’t win an occupation”.

47. wilfred - 4 September 2008

I thought maybe McCain had a senior moment at the podium 😦

48. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Meanwhile, outside:

In another tense showdown, police in riot gear swept into the State Capitol grounds Thursday evening, using snowplows, horses and dump trucks to seal off downtown access to a group of antiwar demonstrators attempting to march on the final night of the Republican National Convention.

The group of more than 700 demonstrators had a permit to rally and march. But the permit expired at 5 p.m. and police refused to let them march, leading to an hourlong standoff on the John Ireland Boulevard bridge over Interstate 94 at rush hour.

Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher said about 50 people had been arrested, but that number was expected to climb as several hundred people were blocked on the Marion Street bridge with their hands on their heads. Police used pepper spray and tear gas to quell some of the unrest.

49. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

47. His retort was that we shouldn’t yell at each other and then he went on with the jingoistic snoozefest.

50. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008
51. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Yup. Looks like Code Pink.

10:27 p.m. Two women sitting beneath the press seats attempted to unfurl a pink banner. They screamed, “Get out of Iraq,” before people next to them snatched the sign and started to wrestle them out of the hall. This led to a noticeable disruption of the speech. –Matthew Mosk UPDATE: Two antiwar protesters came down aisle 118 with homemade pink cloth signs. “End the war in Iraq,” yelled one, holding up the two-fingered peace sign. The signs were snatched by one man and a scuffle ensued. As one of the protestors continued toward the floor, getting within a few feet of it, she was stopped by two men. One grabbed the credential strap around her neck. The protesters were escorted out, with one McCain supporter yelling: “Sit down you Nazi!” –Kevin Merida

10:25 p.m. Multiple screaming protesters were just taken out up the aisle behind the stage and next to the press risers. The audience drowned their shouts with chants of “USA!”

kossacks must be so ashamed, just like they always are when Code Pink protests.

52. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Oops. Screwed up the link about the outside protests. It really didn’t involve Jon and Kate Plus Eight.

53. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008
54. wilfred - 4 September 2008

53. File Sarah under “Doesn’t Play Well With Others”.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

sit down you nazi?!?!

whole nother world those wackos live in.

56. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

55. They don’t understand the meaning of the word “irony”.

57. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

They really are completely clueless over there:

Live Blogging the Elephants
by BarbinMD
Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM PDT

Hunter says:

Fun fact: the school district in Wasilla has a page in Russian. So I’d say Palin has done a pretty crappy job of holding back the Red Menace.

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

that’s like making fun of finding French in some school in Maine.

59. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008


60. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

Apparently the protesters were Code Pink and Iraq Veterans Against the War.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008

Cindy McCain’s $300,000 Outfit

One of the persistent memes in the Republican line of attack against Barack Obama is the notion that he is an elitist, whereas the G.O.P. represent real working Americans like Levi “F-in’ Redneck” Johnston.

It caught our attention, then, when First Lady Laura Bush and would-be First Lady Cindy McCain took the stage Tuesday night wearing some rather fancy designer clothes. So we asked our fashion department to price out their outfits.

Laura Bush
Oscar de la Renta suit: $2,500
Stuart Weitzman heels: $325
Pearl stud earrings: $600–$1,500
Total: Between $3,425 and $4,325

Cindy McCain
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

Even if I had it, I can’t imagine spending that much money on an outfit. I could send my nephews to the finest universities in the country for that dough, all three of them.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2008


Whenever Republicans gather en masse, you get to see the worst in white people. Not that white lefties are much better — in some ways, they’re worse — but at least with them one can be a little looser, a touch crazier, depending on the room. (A few years ago, right before I did stand up for a local peacenik fundraiser, the woman in charge, who was also the emcee, nixed a masturbation joke I’d just written, fearing that it might seem “sexist”and “pornographic.” So there’s that.) White reactionaries, in my experience, live in another world altogether; a dismal, narrow place that feeds their resentment, fear, and hatred.

The professional rightists I’ve hung out with seemed full of ideological gusto when talking about communism, guns, the flag. But get a few drinks into them, and they’d become nerdy, insecure, anxious to seem “on.” They were also open to sexual humor, but only the crudest, dumbest lines. One guy I knew for a time admitted to me that he fantasized about fucking liberal women. They seemed exotic to him. I said that liberal women were overrated, that you had to go for the more radical, crazy types to have any serious fun. I also mentioned my fling with an Objectivist, the only time I slept with someone to my right. “Naw,” he countered, waving his hand. “Those Randians are atheists. A decent girl should at least believe in God.”

63. CSTAR - 4 September 2008

# 62. I read that post. I have to agree with his conclusion

This fucking election is killing my mind and stomping my soul. American political reality is as bad as I’ve ever seen it, and I suspect we haven’t reached bottom yet. Maybe we never will. Maybe we’re destined to float down the shit stream indefinitely, splashing, sinking, swallowing mouthfuls of sewage. Hard to tell. All I know is that I’m sick of the rancid taste, and would much prefer a healthier diet, or at least something with a fresh lemon scent.

I think I’ll have myself some Lemon Sorbet.

64. Stephanie - 4 September 2008

“Why is the baby always asleep? (2+ / 0-)”

WTF — cuz it’s a baby. that’s what babies do a lot the first 4-6 months out of the womb. and after that there are years worth of naps!

(after that mom wonders if there’s a way to put the baby back in the womb so she can have a nap, but that’s another story that goes on for 18 years or more)

65. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

61. Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000

?? really?

66. marisacat - 5 September 2008

nu thred…..


……… 8) …………….

67. baypraire - 5 September 2008


delurk any time! your comments are welcomed.


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