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What shall the Democrats throw back at the woman? 4 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Strained arugula juice? Actually that is Cappucino Haricot Vert, a summer sensation a Paris… (did Ob give a ground breaking speech there? Too?)…

Ob and Knob up at bat. So, anyone think their bat is made of wood? Because Sarah Palin, who still must face the press (you will notice the R have already gone to pre emptive war on that front) did not just hit it out of the park, she hit it out of the TIME ZONE, off the Continental USA..

She did.


From the end of the last thread, from H-RH:

Folks at DKos are so concerned about the Precious BayBee! Just a few selections:

playing hot potato with the baby (5+ / 0-)

Mr sarah treats the baby like it’s got cooties. Everybody holds this kid but his father.

by stillonline on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:43:31 AM PDT

kick the baby! (0+ / 0-)

did you see how fast she passed the baby on!?? OMG! You could also tell that she does not hold him much by the way she was having troubles hefting him – she does not have the arm strength to hold her own baby! If she was holding him all the time, she would be used to it by now!
by bror on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:58:07 AM PDT

Why is the baby always asleep? (2+ / 0-)

He does seem like a prop. I’ve seen several shots of the family with the baby & he is always asleep or quiet. He does seem like a prop – and is used as one, so much is made of the fact she “chose” to have the baby with the special needs, but yes, wouldn’t it be better for the child to be in a quiet crib? Most babies I knew fussed if they weren’t held by their primary caregiver. Hope they arent putting something in his formula to keep him quiet.

by HylasBrook on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:49:08 AM PDT

“She doesn’t have the arm strength to hold her own baby”. What a hoot.

They are all such experts – like “Donna in Rome” who nursed her kids for 7 years or whatever, but can’t figure out how working women manage to breastfeed.

The baby doesn’t look like Palin or her husband (0+ / 0-)

They did a close up shot of the baby after Palin’s speech. He doesn’t look like either one of his “parents”.
by Centrocitta on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:04:10 AM PDT

Of course he doesn’t – he’s 4 months old and has Down’s.

What a bunch of maroons.

*** close of comment ***


I followed raincat’s link to TruthDig in the thread and noticed this cartoon…


Have some strained arugula juice fellas, you will feel better……….  am I laughing?  I am.  Oh sure, if I had not been irritated at the Democrats for decades, online for years, not just in the thug and operative laden Dem party political blogs, but online wandering the netteries, and had I not been lucky to read moiv’s posts… well I might not be getting it..



1. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Biden on GMA “skillfull”… “no word about the middle class” (at the opening he said he was on a plane and missed most of it, zzzzz)

2. raincat100 - 4 September 2008
3. raincat100 - 4 September 2008
4. marisacat - 4 September 2008

hmm probably a Cspan event but… From the Columbia Spectator, and with a couple of extra and gratuitous digs at ob in the text. What, not a happy Alma Mater experience?

residential nominees John McCain and Barack Obama, CC ’83, will appear on stage together in Alfred Lerner Hall next Thursday. ServiceNation, a non-partisan coalition, announced the event to Spectator and University President Lee Bollinger confirmed Wednesday afternoon.

The appearance will be Obama’s first at his alma mater during the presidential campaign. Obama’s reticence to discuss his time at Columbia or to appear at the school has fueled questions about his activities as an undergraduate in Morningside Heights.

Obama, the junior U.S. Senator from Illinois, won the Democratic nomination after a protracted primary battle with New York U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton. After graduating from Columbia, Obama attended Harvard Law School, where he was president of the law review.

In this election, he has run on a platform of “change,” citing his personal experience growing up as the son of a Kenyan father and Midwestern mother in Indonesia and Hawaii as well as his time as an activist in Chicago and Illinois state senator. However, opponents have attacked Obama for his relative inexperience in national and international politics.

McCain last appeared at Columbia as the Columbia College Class Day speaker in May 2006. His daughter Meghan graduated from CC in 2007. He spoke largely about his support for the war in Iraq and the importance of dissent and discussion and was heckled by many attendees.

“Both Obama and McCain have confirmed their attendance,” Bollinger said. The candidates will speak separately about public service at an event sponsored by ServiceNation, a non-partisan coalition devoted to increasing the commitment of citizens to public service to 100 million people by 2010.

5. marisacat - 4 September 2008

yum… from the Mike Allen Politico email:

AGGRESSIVE – RNC Communications Directory Danny Diaz mischievously BlackBerries his DNC counterparts: ‘How did you like the speech? Button up your chin straps boys. Two a days are over and full contact has begun.’

6. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008


not just in the thug and operative laden Dem party political blogs, but online wandering the netteries, and had I not been lucky to read moiv’s posts… well I might not be getting it..

I think what started it all for me was the Pie Wars. Even then I thought it was just a few assholes acting up, most of whom were former Republican knuckledraggers like Kos, and the rest of us were all on the same page.

But gradually I came to realize that wasn’t true – the Pie Wars weren’t an aberration, but an expression of attitudes that run through the whole Dem machine, from the head honchos to the lowest fratboy operatives.

7. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

sorry, I forgot my closequote…

8. marisacat - 4 September 2008

What in hell took Ob so long. This went bad a long time ago (via Ben Smith):

Pushing Kilpatrick out

As Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick’s woes deepen, Obama calls for him to go:

“Sen. Obama believes that Mayor Kilpatrick’s ongoing troubles and the serious charges against him have been a distraction that the city cannot afford,” said Obama spokesman Brent Colburn.

“He believes it is time for the mayor to step aside so that the city can move forward and get back to business.”

It puts him, perhaps slighlty later than others, on the reformist side in a key state.

UPDATE: Obama got that one in at the last possible moment: Kilpatrick reportedly pleads guilty, and resigns, today.

9. marisacat - 4 September 2008


Don’t worry fixed, jsut took a min

10. marisacat - 4 September 2008


The free flowing juvenalia and meanness really got to me. And I got how deep it is. And how supproted and refelcted in the DP it really is.

I hve zero intention of voting for either ticket.. and mostly just feel so relieved I am not standing around wanting the Democrats to renounce being (as someone called it) a horse’s ass with a jelly fish up front.

And my apologies to the Equine world and the jelly fish world (according to news reports they are taking over, anyway). I’d vote for iehter of them in a heart beat.

11. marisacat - 4 September 2008


the redesign of the floor of the convention is to put McC in the round, and to express the idea of TownHall. Ob needed to do a small number of thsoe with McC, for a range of reasons.

12. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Thanks MCat, sorry about that….

Get a load of this diary:

Eight months ago, I was a registered Republican, standing in a cold room in Iowa supporting Ron Paul in the Iowa caucuses.

And this response from “SallyCat”:

Welcome to the big tent… (15+ / 0-)

There are lots of us around here that either in the distant past or in the recent past believed in smaller government, a reasonable military, fiscal responsibility, American jobs, etc.
Now to get the values that we believe in we are Democrats.
Welcome aboard!

by SallyCat on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 04:36:01 PM CET

They just LOVE IT when Republicans come and join them in their “Big Tent”. The more conservative, the better. But as for feminists, pro-choice activists, anti-war protesters – well, they’re all Commie hippie scum who don’t shave their legs or wear bras. Ban them, silence them and ignore their concerns – who cares about them, they have no choice but to vote for our people.

Yes it’s a Big Fucking Tent all right.

I hve zero intention of voting for either ticket

I may vote for Democrats on the local level – there are some decent ones here – but I won’t vote for either of the Prez tickets. They both disgust me, albeit in different ways.

13. marisacat - 4 September 2008

I may vote for Democrats on the local level

If only the CADP had not become a willing footstool for Arnold. More’s the pity. I still say locales will save themselvs, if they can. Local Dems can be part of that, or be part of the federal level party.

14. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Sully’s a Brit. Canada wouldn’t claim him if you paid us to. (Well, maybe if it was a LOT of money.)

15. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Via Ambinder. O FFS, she can do what Ob has long done, ditch the national press, do local who don’t track the big issues and do media entertainment interviews. Get with the reality. (NOW he suddenly needs O”Reilly, LOL)

Does Palin Need to Give Interviews?

04 Sep 2008 10:54 am
What harm would befall the McCain campaign if Palin sat for one major television interivew with, say, a gentle but probing Diane Sawyer… and then an interview with her local paper in Alaska… and then gave no press avails and held no press conferences. The media would complain a lot. Would people care?

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16. marisacat - 4 September 2008


No I meant Steyn… I had thught he was Canadian

Sully talks a lot about being a born Tory and little Thatcherite, hard to miss him

17. NYCO - 4 September 2008

yeah, I was all set to not vote and then I remembered there’s a new Dem (Maffei) up for Jim Walsh’s empty seat. Better drag myself in. I like Maffei and am still willing to give a new Dem a chance.

I hate when that happens.

18. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Democrats are in turmoil.. listneing to KGO Ronn Owen who has been an asshole about her, claims he never was now.. LOL

Apparently her teleprompter failed about half way thru… it was speeding, showing text way ahead of where she was. Seems she flew with it.

Ob? Ob? Where are you?

19. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Oh I intend to vote… no question. Just not for top of the ticket.

Dick Morris with Ron Owen: “well so what if girls in Al have to go to FL for an abortion, that is nto an inconvenience”

Ron agreed, pas de probleme

But if what Bush plans for HHS goes thru it will be FEDERAL.

20. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

10. The free flowing juvenalia and meanness really got to me.

Last nite’s dkos speech thread could have been written simply as:

Dear diary,

I hate Sarah Palin!

She’s such a BITCH!


No signs of the so-called intellectual left to be found over there. kos killed it.

21. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

14. No I meant Steyn… I had thught he was Canadian

He is. But, as with David Frum, we definitely don’t want him back. He’s found his natural neocon home down home. May he rot in it.

22. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Ron Owen bitching that the culture wars are back. Sweetie they never went away.

he’s really bitching about the blowback agaisnt media and online slash and burn at her for being a woman.

My guess the R will pull up one of MO’s forums with small town women in which she bitched that extras for the kids are costing them 10K a year. And ti is :so hard The district she was in was median income around 40K

Arugula anyone (yes I hated it when he did htat in Iowa)

DEMOCRATS (calling in) are bringing up Ayers and why Ob has not been looked at. Ron is STUNNED

Oh the war is on!

23. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

There are a number of revolting conservative hacks who are Canadian. David Frum and Danielle Crittenden spring to mind.

Re: Sully: I just noticed on his blogpage- the little cartoon of him merrily blogging with the two dogs by his feet also shows a girl in the background, looking at him. Who is that supposed to be?


Apparently her teleprompter failed about half way thru… it was speeding, showing text way ahead of where she was. Seems she flew with it.

Wow. If true, she has my admiration for that one. She must have nerves of steel.


“well so what if girls in Al have to go to FL for an abortion, that is nto an inconvenience”

What if men in AL had to go to FL to buy their Viagra? How would that fly?

24. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Now Sullivan is pretending to be even-handed, asking for Biden’s medical records.

What a ridiculous fool.

25. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008
26. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

3. We’ve been pushing for that oil “socialism” here in Alberta for decades. A few years ago, the Conservative gov’t (in an election ploy) sent out $400 oil royalty cheques to everyone but that’s all we’ve rcv’d for the oil WE own. In the meantime, the Cons have used the billions they’ve collected from the oil industry to pretend like they know how to create a surplus – continually lowballing the price of oil and then acting surprised and accomplished when the money comes rolling in during the fiscal year. It’s a continuing Con/con game. A monkey with a calculator could run this province on that revenue. They’ve also been infamous for slashing and burning social programs along the way, claiming that endless belt-tightening was needed to save the province. Bullshit. All of it.

So, as far as more oil socialism goes, bring it on. I know I could use the money.

27. marisacat - 4 September 2008

“well so what if girls in Al have to go to FL for an abortion, that is nto an inconvenience”

What if men in AL had to go to FL to buy their Viagra? How would that fly?

I threw it in an email to RO. I never write or call anyone [anymore] but it is just so smarmy and egregious.

28. marisacat - 4 September 2008


Actually I’d like a dated letter from Ob’s physician. Not undated.

ANd three reporters have pointed out over months (Tapper, Dowd and a third that I forget) that Ob has never stopped smoking. By their own observation. Dowd has seen him throw butts from the camp bus and Tapper has said he reeks at times of nicotine. But gets stonewalled by the cmapaing.

Now I am opposed to the level (banning smoking inside rental units, among others) of anti smoking it has gone to, but let’s get real here.

Ronn ahs TOTALLY backed off saying she needs to be home with the kid. And blasting callers that say that.

Fuck them all.

29. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Ronn is stunned. STUNNED the calls are pouring in for her, and questioning the whole treatment of Hillary… and ”WHY IS IT NOT HILLAYR UP THERE”. One said, “Palin broke the ceiling”.

I feel she pulled back some moderate R (we do have htme here) and conservative IND and OTHERS

Axelrod response

30. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

If anyone would like a good laff riot this afternoon, here is Sullivan’s mawkish ode to testosterone, from the NYT Mag in 2000. The big drama-queen finale:

After a feminist century, we may be in need of a new understanding of masculinity. The concepts of manliness, of gentlemanly behavior, of chivalry have been debunked. The New Age bonding of the men’s movement has been outlived. What our increasing knowledge of testosterone suggests is a core understanding of what it is to be a man, for better and worse. It is about the ability to risk for good and bad; to act, to strut, to dare, to seize. It is about a kind of energy we often rue but would surely miss. It is about the foolishness that can lead to courage or destruction, the beauty that can be strength or vanity. To imagine a world without it is to see more clearly how our world is inseparable from it and how our current political pieties are too easily threatened by its reality.


Our main task in the gender wars of the new century may not be how to bring women fully into our society, but how to keep men from seceding from it, how to reroute testosterone for constructive ends, rather than ignore it for political point-making.

For my part, I’ll keep injecting the Big T. Apart from how great it makes me feel, I consider it no insult to anyone else’s gender to celebrate the uniqueness of one’s own. Diversity need not mean the equalization of difference. In fact, true diversity requires the acceptance of difference. A world without the unruly, vulnerable, pioneering force of testosterone would be a fairer and calmer, but far grayer and duller, place. It is certainly somewhere I would never want to live. Perhaps the fact that I write this two days after the injection of another 200 milligrams of testosterone into my bloodstream makes me more likely to settle for this colorful trade-off than others. But it seems to me no disrespect to womanhood to say that I am perfectly happy to be a man, to feel things no woman will ever feel to the degree that I feel them, to experience the world in a way no woman ever has. And to do so without apology or shame.

O the MANLINESS of it all!!!

And this tripe got printed in the most mainstream of newspapers – in the Sunday section, yet.

31. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008

Shakesville has a Palin Sexism Watch section, just as they have one for Michelle Obama and for Clinton II.

Fine so far as it goes, except that I really don’t have any patience for the insistence that Democrats are supposed to be BETTER THAN THIS !! [gasp]

Uh, as an Indy/Green, I’ve known for years that Democrats are not “better than this,” and they never have been. It’s just that before they didn’t perceive a Republican as being weak enough to sit still for this kind of treatment. Now they do, and it appears they’ve made a mistake.

All I can say is that if Blogland and its masters have to ignore most of what my candidates say and do when it’s laudatory or at least worth discussion, the least they can do is also avoid attacking my candidates.

So let ’em choke on Palin, and let the rank-and-file FINALLY notice what I’ve known for years. There leaders are racist, sexist, classist, homophobic fearmongers who blame everyone but themselves when things go wrong.

If it pnly took this long for the dawn to break on a few Blogland feminists, I predict that we’ll all be discussing Proportional Representation no later than the eve of my 75th birthday.

32. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

Well the thing about those radio “personalities” is that they’ll say anything in order to keep the controversies a-boiling. I don’t really blame them. They’re entertainers – paid clowns. It’s their job.

The party operatives and the elected officials, however…. they’re a different story.

33. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Honestly except for the entertainment slot I don’t see radio hosts, as esp different from pundits operatives and electeds

And here inthis town they are very close. Each a small whtie mouse carried in the other’s pocket.

Now they have calls coming in agaisnt McC and Palin… LOL kinda breathless, trying to change the dynamic.

What a laugh.

34. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Heather out of moderation. Sorry for the dealy, the Sully link to NYT 2000 article..

35. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Oh he’ll man up under the abuse.

On Community Organizers

by BooMan
Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:23:40 AM EST

I used to be a community organizer and my old profession came in for some open derision and scorn tonight from both Rudy Guiliani and Sarah Palin. That’s okay. I don’t mind. I actually kind of welcome being singled out for special abuse. It validates everything I do, and have done, in politics and in poor urban communities. These people hate me and they hate the poor people I helped. I understand. I already knew that. I’ve spent a good part of my life trying to argue that case to people that were not convinced. “They hate you”, I said. Many couldn’t quite believe it. During the primaries I looked at Team Clinton and I told the denizens of the blogosphere, “They hate you.” Many were not so certain.

Guiliani and Palin did me a favor tonight. They came right out and told us that they hate community organizers and the people that they serve. Good. Now I’ll have a much easier time making my arguments about that point in the future.

What a drip he is… as for “helping poor people”…

Link to Booman

36. NYCO - 4 September 2008

Ah, the Democrats. They’re here to clean out the barn and remake it for the 21st century. Because it’s a good idea, because it makes sense and they make sense, because of Democracy, because of Civilization, because it’s the right thing to do and the tasty way to do it… but the minute they enter the barn and encounter a possum covered in her naked squirming young, they scream “Eeeeeeee!” and try to hit it with a hoe.

37. aemd - 4 September 2008

#35 “During the primaries I looked at Team Clinton and I told the denizens of the blogosphere, “They hate you.” Many were not so certain.”

BooBoo would be wise to back off Team Clinton. Since McCain has pulled the moose killing Vogue cover girl outta his hat and revitalized (boy, did he ever) his base, Joebama is going to need every Democratic activist he can lure back into the fold. This race has become very competitive, no longer Joebama’s to lose. They need the Clinton machine. Faction fighting may make this impossible.

38. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

I heard two guys from the Anchorage newspapers on a public radio show (sorry, I don’t know which one, I missed the intro and outro) and they said something interesting: as governor, Palin has been remarkably nonpartisan, and would never have gotten her pet legislations through without the cooperation of Democrats. The politicos who screamed the most about her oil-biz and ethics legislation (whatever it was – I have no idea) were Republicans.

One of the newsmen cited a speech she recently gave to a Dem organization in which she was quite appealing, moderate and the audience liked her.

39. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008


NYCO, I love you.

40. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Booman was right up there with SUlly in Hillary hate. It was irrational, he’d scream and yell in a post that she better knuckle under work hard for Obama – this is before ehs even left the run – or there’d be discipline coming (oh I sure got what the game was) and in the same post he’d scream that he’d never vote for her.

41. marisacat - 4 September 2008


from what I read (caveat) she appointed 40% D and IND once she became governor.. adn went after the chair of the Republican party up there. among other events.

Is some of it magnified right now?, probably, but she still was not a partisan R.

42. marisacat - 4 September 2008

hmm there was a caller to KGO claiming she cut Special Needs fuinding by 62%.. Ronn Owerns felt he died and went to heaven. Apparently it was on a segment on CNN this am.

But then a caller called with this. Oh yes it is WS.. but oftne sad to say they hold up. Esp against Daily Kos.

[F]rom the publication Education Week:

Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.

The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city, over the next five years.

Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, and other costs associated with providing education in communities scattered across the vast state.

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development (emphasis added). ::snip::

43. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

42 – but why let actual facts get into the way of the demonization? We must have our Two-Minute Hate, especially if the object of our hatred is a woman!

According to Jane Smiley (one of our most overrated authors – I’ve slogged through several of her novels and was bored to tears by all of them) in HuffPo:

If there’s a low road, she will take it. If she can pander, she will do it. Her performance recapitulated her actions as mayor and governor in Alaska — holding office, for her, is about keeping as much power as possible and using it for her own selfish ends. This woman is small small small. She demonstrated that with every word she spoke.


It’s obvious to everyone that Sarah Palin’s life is chaos. Her record as mayor and governor is chaotic and her personal life is chaotic. Could she have orchestrated and survived two years of campaigning for the presidency with the panache, the energy, the organization, and the personal growth that the Obamas have shown? Of course not. How the campaign goes is how the administration goes. Palin is showing stress, desperation, and vindictiveness already.

Hmm, it’s clear to me who’s showing the “stress, desperation and vindictiveness”…. get Jane a drool bucket!

44. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Reid responds thru his office:

(CNN) — A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is hitting back hard at Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s speech Wednesday night, calling it “shrill and sarcastic.”

“Anyone who knows Senator Reid knows he never backs down when he’s fighting for what’s right and that he always stands up to John McCain when he is wrong,” Jim Manley, Reid’s press secretary, told CNN. “Shrill and sarcastic political attacks may fire up the Republican base, but they don’t change the fact that a McCain-Palin administration would mean four more years of failed bush-Cheney policies.” ::snip::

45. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008

Huh. I liked Moo. Thought it was hilarious. Some of her short stories are also very good, but A Thousand Acres wasn’t very good. I mean, some of the descriptive writing was of good quality, but since I either hated all the characters or thought they were completely cardboard, it was hard to give a shit about what happened to them.

At any rate, I don’t look to literary folks for political guidance. Katherine Anne Porter was a great writer but she also met Hitler’s buddies before the ascendancy of the Nazis and thought they were courtly, charming guys. That about says it all. :p

46. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008



When do they dust off, “She’s trying to cut me off at the balls,” as well ?

47. marisacat - 4 September 2008


OK.. I ahve seen Jane Smiley there but not happened to read her.. thanks I can slide by her…

Tell me if you agree, as I mentoned this in an email to a friend the other day… not all women as people are differnt, but women, esp if they have given birth more than once and know how it is for them, get an enormous high off giving birth. I think Paln is still in some of that glow. And it makes her more powerful.

At least that is what I have noticed in some friends and aquaintances..

48. baypraire - 4 September 2008

“Anyone who knows Senator Reid knows he never backs down when he’s fighting for what’s right


49. marisacat - 4 September 2008

gee what are all thsoe tire tracks on his body. And I don’t see any skid marks. No one slowed down either.

50. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008

I’ve said before that Reid’s ascendancy should have been a clear sign to feminists as to just how valued they are in the DP as human beings. Almost nobody cared, least of all the big-name feminist blogs and orgs.

Well, I guess the light bulb is flickering on now in at least a few places that it didn’t before (with apologies to whomever I stole the light bulb metaphor from). Now let’s see if it stays on, or if it flickers out again as soon as Clinton II gets up and begs all the sistren not to abandon ship because her meal ticket America must be saved from the jaws of doom, blah blah blah.

51. marisacat - 4 September 2008

well I cared. IN fact at the time I said the R pciked him for the little Democrats. They lvoed that at Dkos.

He is pro life. A “star” at ‘Democrats for Life”. He supports banning “pba”. It took Tony Perkins to call him on his “crafted fro the wimmens” reply to the SC ruling. Sure was not the liberals or the women’s orgs, etc. He voted for Global Gag Rule, for banning abortions in oversees mil hospitals etc etc etc.

Dkos loved to show that he fought back againt Bush. No he jsut is an irritable mean old man, who sometimes had a loose tongue. Nothing more.

52. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

35. “community organizer”

They keep going after distractions. And then they wonder why they’re swatted like flies.

53. marisacat - 4 September 2008

September 04, 2008
Categories: Sarah Palin

Palin’s wattage

She drew almost as many viewers as Obama — more than 37 million — despite appearing on fewer networks.

54. marisacat - 4 September 2008

via Ambinder:

Nielsen estimates that more than 37 million people watched Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech last night including 19.5 million women. In comparison, Obama’s speech drew a shade more than 38 million. And Obama’s speech was broadcast on ten networks (including BET, Univision and Telemundo) while Palin’s was broadcast on the Big Six. Other Nielsen highlights:

o Ratings for viewers 55+ (25.2) continue to be about ten times higher than for teens (2.2)

o Day 3 for the GOP attracted more Hispanic viewers (1.4 million) than Day 3 of the Democratic Convention (1.2 million), even though Univision and Telemundo did not carry

55. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008


…They keep going after distractions…

Because there is nothing else for them to run on, is there ? It’s just one more round with The War Party and The Other War Party. What substantive differences ARE there for Joe Lieberman’s Former Protege and John McCain’s Good Friend to bring up ? Certainly none I can see. Good is outweighed ten times over by evil. Oh, we support reproductive health around the world, while we bomb any country we feel like at will. But we’re Democrats, so we pretend we care what the UN thinks about it before we bomb. Vote for us ! [yawn]

The differences are, as Smith put it at SMBIVA, nothing but fairy dust interspersed with the same tired old threats that at least a few more people have seen through for their complete and utter emptiness, this time.

Oh, and Mcat, I would never demean and cheapen this place by calling it a “big time liberal [and/or] big-time feminist blog.” :p

56. marisacat - 4 September 2008

oh ms xwno I iknow that.. it is just that so called liberal acceptance of Reid made me crazy. Completely. He was a ahck thru and thru

57. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

54. Ouch.

58. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

58. Because there is nothing else for them to run on, is there ?

They successfully avoided talking about the issues during the primaries. Apparently, they think they can get away with it again. They’re so entrenched in the cult of personality that that’s all they have left.

59. marisacat - 4 September 2008

party line Democratic houeholds and party grifters and parasites and gadflies are in shock to day. Plus as we all know, she is new.

I will poke aorund and see if there is as good a push back on the cuts for unwed teens issue as there was for Special Needs cuts. I am not interested in voting for the White Supremacist ticket… but if she worked to reform AK school funding and to even out funding to rural underfunded areas (see link at 42 to Weekly standard with embedded links), I can say that is GOOD.

60. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Tom Hayden is misguided. After railing against “empire”, he writes this:

I am campaigning for and voting for Barack Obama not because I agree with him on every foreign policy issue but because I think we need to unleash the energy of those who fight for justice and housing and healthcare and jobs and the environment here at home. The Obama movement is registering and mobilizing millions of new voters, young people, working class, people of color and poor. The mere fact of their being mobilized will create a pressure for new priorities on the economic home front against the present priorities of militarization abroad. The fact that Obama rose to his present position on the tide of antiwar sentiment forces Obama and the Congressional Democrats to pay greater attention to our needs at home or pay a political price. If he expands the quagmires in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will have to oppose those wasteful wars as well.

“If” he expands the wars? He’s already said he intends to. I’ve said it a million times: partisanship kills brain cells.

Scott Ritter wrote an article some time ago about how the antiwar movement needs structure, which Hayden refers to as well. Hayden would do well to actually try to implement that structure instead of hoping that Obama and these do-nothing Dems will change the face of the empire towards non-militarization.

61. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Btw, where’s the GOTV effort this time around? It was huge in 2004.

62. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Brrreaking: Jack Abramoff going to the slammer for 4 years.

He’ll be out in no time.

63. marisacat - 4 September 2008

My joke about Tom hayden back when he entered CA politics was that he wore a three piece suit with a zipper up the back.

Talk about bieng nohting. Hard to believe he ever meant what wa s in the Port Huron Declaration

64. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

From a FP dkos post linking to an interview with kos in Salon where he says:

Butit’s mind-boggling to me. In the middle of Labor Day weekend, I had the highest traffic day of my existence. This is higher traffic than the 2004 federal election. Higher traffic than the 2006 general election. Usually on long weekends, people disappear. They hang out with family and friends. No one wanted to do anything but [talk about] Sarah Palin.

Is he really that fucking clueless? His site was pushing the ‘Palin ain’t Trig’s real mother story’, linked to by Drudge and reported on by CNN and kos can’t figure out where all of the traffic came from? Mon dieu.

Meanwhile, he’s laughing all the way to the bank. That’s why he let that conspiracy theory/nutjob story stand. Daddy needs a new piano.

65. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

Link to that Salon bit on dkos. What a dork.

We’re in an election where the number of Republicans is shrinking, the number of Democrats is growing and they cannot win on the base strategy alone. We can. For the first time, we can win on the base strategy. We’re not running that, but we could.

I don’t even know what the Dem party “base” is anymore besides the fact that it seems to consist of a bunch of Alex P Keatons with laptops.

66. marisacat - 4 September 2008

BOOM! via AP

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Thursday took an immediate swipe at Democratic nominee Barack Obama in her first solo campaign appearance since joining the GOP ticket. The Alaska governor also issued a fund-raising appeal that blamed the Democratic presidential ticket for spreading “misinformation and flat-out lies” about her family and her.

While the Obama campaign has raised questions about Palin’s qualifications, Obama himself has said that her family should be off-limits.

Palin met with Republican governors Thursday and said afterward that leading a state means you have to make decisions and not just vote “present.”

“We don’t have a ‘present’ button as governor – we are expected to lead, we are expected to take action and not just vote ‘present,'” said Palin, who is in her first term as Alaska’s governor. “So there’s a big difference, of course, between the executive and legislative branches and our experience.” ::snip::

67. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

63. It’s just sad to see someone who’s sacrificed for peace placing his hope in the Dem party. I also think someone like Michael Moore who did a doc on the state of US healthcare is missing the boat by supporting Obama. I guess they both think breadcrumbs are better than nothing.

68. marisacat - 4 September 2008

I think it means nothing matters to most of these people. Moore thsi time around just seems like a buffoon

he knows year after year his pro lefty documentaries get a certain audience. Being visible on the camp trail and GOTV trail works.

Inthe 2003 primaries he supported Clark as did Samantha Powers. Soft war works I guess.. and it certainly feeds documetaries.

69. liberalcatnip - 4 September 2008

How about that? (3+ / 0-)

Our own Markos has now answered more questions from the press than Sarah Palin!

How about that GOP convention? I haven’t seen so many white people since uh, I guess since the last GOP convention

by jazzmaniac on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:36:12 PM PDT

what’s wrong with White people…. (0+ / 0-)

is it somehow wrong to be White?…. why are you perplexed?…. is something only valid if it is accompanied by an amen chorus filled with black, brown, yellow, rainbow flags?….

by GoPatGo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:43:31 PM PDT

So many storms brewing over there…

70. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008


women, esp if they have given birth more than once and know how it is for them, get an enormous high off giving birth. I think Paln is still in some of that glow. And it makes her more powerful.

You may have something there. It’s true that many women when they are pregnant or nursing give off a certain kind of physical authority. And women who have a brood of vibrant, beautiful kids (as Palin does) in effect have their own personal monarchy.

There is a Tarot card, The Empress, that represents this queenly Mother Goddess archetype – the beneficent (and fertile!) Ruler of all She Surveys.

This archetype terrifies and even enrages some people – as evidenced by the statistics of domestic violence and murder committed by men on their pregnant mates.

I remember when I was just out of college and working for a publishing exec who was a beautiful woman, 6 feet tall, with a Scandinavian background. She was ready-to-burst pregnant and extremely large. Instead of trying to disguise her massive undisguisable belly with dark maternity business suits, she went out to Marimekko and bought several huge jumpsuits in the brightest colors imaginable – electric blue, orange, yellow etc. One day we were walking down the hall at work and when we turned the corner she almost ran into a man. He took one look at this immense, imposing, broadshouldered Mother Goddess clothed head to toe in brilliant colors and his face turned utterly white – he was absolutely frightened to death.

Very strange! I never forgot it.

I’m fascinated by the savaging of Palin by so-called liberals and progressives – while it’s based in a general cultural misogyny, probably some of it is rooted in this visceral reaction against women whose power is intensified by their fecundity. Just reading the comments all over the blogosphere criticizing her children and their upbringing – and projecting, as Smiley did, imagined “chaos” into her family life – is very telling.

71. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008

#67: I personally think it’s a calculated move to curry favor with Golden Man. Not just with Moore, with all but a miniscule sliver of the Professional Left.

As I’ve said before, everyone wants to go to the Popular Kid’s Homecoming Party. It’s where all the valuable future business connections are made.

I don’t consume anything produced by these people without keeping that in mind. Thomas Frank was just here plugging his book a few weeks ago and blabbering about how Obama SHOULD meet with us and do this and that, etc.

Either these people are opportunists to the core or they are too stupid to understand that the principles they claim to earn their living by are directly undercut by their need to kiss Democrat butt so they can continue to make a living.

I don’t believe they are stupid, so I don’t waste time feeling sorry for them. They are simply in a portion of the market that has yet to be over-saturated, and they’ll do whatever they have to in order to stay there, maybe scooping up a prestigious post or two in the process when their guy wins. Their breadcrumbs are still a hell of lot more plentiful than what most of their audience gets now, or has to look forward to in the future.

72. Heather-Rose Ryan - 4 September 2008

59 I am not interested in voting for the White Supremacist ticket… but if she worked to reform AK school funding and to even out funding to rural underfunded areas (see link at 42 to Weekly standard with embedded links), I can say that is GOOD.

Well, exactly! I have no love for Palin or her politics but I am disgusted by the way they’ve dragged her family through the mud, and I’m sure they’ve distorted her record for their own purposes.

I’m sure there’s plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made of her policies, so why not stick to those instead of making shit up.

Answer: because it’s easier and more fun to make shit up.

73. ms_xeno - 4 September 2008


…I’m fascinated by the savaging of Palin by so-called liberals and progressives – while it’s based in a general cultural misogyny, probably some of it is rooted in this visceral reaction against women whose power is intensified by their fecundity…

But the same people will say different hideous things about CF women as well. Or against a young mother with one child. Or against an “old” mother with one child. The resentment is eternal, but the rationale for it keeps shifting.

74. NYCee - 4 September 2008

Sarah was definitely formidable – give her a French twist (she almost wears one) and it was “formeedahbluh,” an oft-used term in French vernacular, which means powerful and greeeeaaaat!!!

Here, I’d use it in the political sense.

The only thing that is mini in her otherwise MAXI mix (although I think it gets subsumed in the onslaught of overwhelming WOW factors), is her funny voice. I hear the piping sound coursing thru her speech, a lot, and peaking in words like “PEE^EEple”!

She brings to mind certain SNL or SCTV characters … although I cannot pinpoint any.

Rudy had a lot of pure blood red meat, too.

Her line about Scranton v SF (bitter) was killer.

75. marisacat - 4 September 2008

Well what I think she was able to expose in the ‘SF vs Scranton’ is what I, at least, saw in the SF fundraising event, he pandered to a group of wealthy individuals.

There was a lot of screaming rather quickly that not everyone there was wealthy, but the pics of people arriving were online. Uh… give it up, it wa a very comfortable, to wealthy, privileged crop of donors.

I don’t care if he was wrong or right in his assessment, he’s running for the presidency, presuming that a lot of people will vote for him. But then I have never got a strong whiff of equality for all off him.

I see leaks from the O Reilly thing tonight. ob pushes Iran War… its all on the table. Dems love that table.

76. marisacat - 4 September 2008

new thread.


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