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Night thread…….. 11 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


Seawall – Key West – Hurricane Ike – Reuters

As for 9/11… well I’d rather contemplate the 7 years hence. Not a pretty picture. Bad enough a couple of fake do-gooders will stand there tomorrow and, no doubt about it, pray to their tedious god.

Both are anointed tribal leaders and I think both should wear lipstick for the veneration event. Coral, pink or rosy red. It would only be fitting.


Poor Sully, someone tighten his diapers, check for a pin sticking in him. Masses of information available on McCain, the Hensleys in AZ, AZ corruption going back decades – all quite predictable, suited to the rise of a new young state and tightly tied into the political establishment… but it seems he revered JSM [why did anyone, ever? and so many Dems did… — Mcat] and is let down, or something. Perhaps special dispensation can be made for him, and someday he can live at Madame Tussaud’s, curled around Margaret Thatcher’s feet. At rest at last.


Catching Bob Rubin and Larry Summers on with Charlie Rose… as economic advisors to Obama. And what a tired picture of restoration politics they display. Constantly seeking some eye contact with each other, searching for reinforcing cues… not a comforting view of a couple of money men.

Nouriel Roubini, of NYU on with Charlie the other night, said the optimists are constantly bringing up the consumer as rescuer of this economy. But, as NR said, the consumer is, finally, after boom and bust, bubble and burst, not as resilient as he, she once was… He also mentioned, and it seems censored from the mouths of these grinning money men… unlike the past, we are now in debt to what are arguably enemies or unstable ”friends”, China, Russia and the “unstable petro ‘Stans”. Whoops, more than a little tense as a plan….

We shall see..



1. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Unending amusement…

09.11.08 — 12:24AM // link | recommend (56)
Deep Thought

Did Biden forget to mention to Obama that he was retiring from public life in September?

–Josh Marshall

2. marisacat - 11 September 2008

hmm just heard ABC trip a bit fast thru some new poll numbers but I caught that “62% think the WoT is going well”. Will try to find it, see how the question was phrased.

Caught glimpses of the memorial to 9/11 at the Pentagon, I found it rather bizaare funerary architecture. Link to the design site, Buro Happold

And film of a cross made from WTC steel being escorted to Shanksville, by hundreds of bikers. One man declared touching the cross to be “like touching the arc of the covenant”…

Blessed to death, we are.

3. NYCO - 11 September 2008

2. Actually, the photo in my newspaper of the Pentagon memorial looked like Invasion of the Giant Black Staplers.

I have wondered at this trend in “funerary architecture” myself… the trend toward creating memorials with individual identical pieces for individual dead. It didn’t start with 9/11 (Oklahoma City comes to mind) but it does seem like a relatively new trend. There is a Holocaust memorial in Germany that does the same, although of course only symbolically (although with that event, I think conveying the sheer numbers of murdered is an imperative). But, with other disasters, we seem to be seeing more and more of “95 people died, so we must have 95 pieces to the memorial…”

In elder days, a single memorial stood for commemoration of a single tragedy (which may have taken many individual lives). Is it because we were more able to assign tribal or nationalistic meaning to the deaths of a mass of individuals, that they represented something other than just themselves? Today, maybe individuals in a mass no longer add up to anything greater than themselves. So they all have to be individually respected/represented… except, we really don’t know who they are, how they feel, what they want or what they stand for… so we just turn out XX number of somber, inoffensive identical pieces into a memorial desert, and call it peace.

4. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Yes I thought of the design at OKC too. And again quite straight backed martial sorts of chairs. A harsh design, no avoiding that.

The Pentagon Memorial seems like a small sea of blades. Or something. And the odd little pools beneath the “benches”.

Long gone is the idea of a small grove of trees or a reflecting pool.


5. marisacat - 11 September 2008

hmm All the people crawling forth into the light. Maybe a FriendOfOb at UIC, who knows.. But again, WRONG in her last graf. Biden has indeed voted to curtail abortion rights, 2003 vote for banning “PBA”. And she tosses out what has become the phrase to use, “oh bless him he is not for criminalisation of abortion”. I don’t know, you ban a medical procedure at the federal level with criminal terms spelled out for the doctors.. I think the author is ignorant.

Not that it matters much.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008

Long gone is the idea of a small grove of trees or a reflecting pool.

Long gone is symbolism, and quiet contemplation. All of these sorts of memorials learn the wrong lessons from the Vietnam Memorial. That black slab took all of the individuals lost and tied them together into a massive symbol of grief. These others are fancy graveyards, w/ individual markers. They seek to pummel respect into you, rather than move you.

7. NYCO - 11 September 2008

Speaking of “too many objects…” I had to laugh at this, on the bottom of a story at The Note…

Read 16177 Comments and Post Your Own

As if anyone’s going to sit there reading 16,000 comments, much less anyone in power. And why would anyone want to post their drop into that sea of anonymity? But I guess 16,177 people can’t be wrong about the power of the netroots…

8. wilfred - 11 September 2008

Ike will hit Houston square on tomorrow night if their predictions hold. Still waiting to find out how many of my large extended family will evacuate. None of them could get out with Rita because of the gridlock and got lucky when she veered north at the last minute.

9. marisacat - 11 September 2008

yes I dropped bayprairie an email.. I think she may be in the line of Ike…

10. marisacat - 11 September 2008


Power to the Roots! LOL… I read somewhere that during the height of the nasty back and forth between Hill and Ob supporters, The Note regularly got 20K in contentious back and forth. I never bothered to look, it would just swim in frotn of me…

11. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 September 2008

I admire the Marsh & McLennan memorial to their 300+ employees killed in the WTC. it’s in a small but beautiful park next to their bullding in midtown, at 46th Street (the block where I grew up). It is quite modest, intimate and moving: a wall of translucent glass panels with the names of the victims and their signatures – which I think is a brilliant touch. There’s a low granite bench in front of it for meditation and contemplation.

The memorial has a human scale (as the Twin Towers did not).

Every time I visit it, I see that people have left flowers, cards etc.

12. NYCO - 11 September 2008

11. At Syracuse U there is a Pan Am 103 memorial that just consists of a curved granite memorial carved with names, placed in a very prominent location that people walk past every day. The individual students who died in the bombing are memorialized not with 35 cookie-cutter granite objects, but with 35 scholarships given to worthy seniors each year. The seniors all write an essay on the student that they are “representing” with the scholarship.

Sad to say, most of the current student body at Syracuse has no idea what Pan Am 103 was.

13. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 September 2008

Yeah, Sullivan is truly out of his mind now.

14. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 September 2008

A good, amusing piece by Paglia at Salon:

A feminism that cannot admire the bravura under high pressure of the first woman governor of a frontier state isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit.


And she rips into both McCain and Obama with equal gusto.

15. marisacat - 11 September 2008


I dropped in at Sully’s spot. What a dream world. Such stress and anger at McC. What world was he living in.

16. marisacat - 11 September 2008


LOL… and Salon had a piece a couple of days ago, Juan Cole in quite a heavy froth. Called her a muslim fundie with lipstick, as I recall.

She is, like her or not, a lightning rod. People seem frantic.

17. marisacat - 11 September 2008

I am beginning to think that the pundits and operatives online (and off) believed that fiction they peddled, that the Republicans and the conservatives were falling and dying, drying up and blowing away — or something. (and why would that be?) And the fact that an old intransigent but craps playing pol picked her and, at least for now, won the crap shoot.

BaBa WaWa

Can anyone else think of a major political figure who’s done only Barbara Walters-style prime time celebrity interviews rather than appearing on actual news shows? I can’t. And really a political campaign will do whatever it can get away with.But what news organization has ever done that? What an embarrassment.

–Josh Marshall

They/frothers are completely elevating Palin to the most important person in any news cycle, for any reason.

18. marisacat - 11 September 2008

The Democrats NEED to SNAP OUT OF IT.. what wusses… maybe the details of the late assault from teh R could not be predicted (tho it was clear they were watching the Dem VP pick closely and it would bear on theirs) but the Democrats surely knew the R would throw a ton of “stuff” agaisnt a wall and see what stuck, as part of their Fall campaign…. They always do that.


Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.

“It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.”

Joe Trippi, a consultant behind Howard Dean’s flash-in-the-pan presidential campaign in 2004 and John Edwards’ race in 2008, said the Obama campaign was slow to recognize how the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate would change the dynamic of the race.

“They were set up to run ‘experience versus change,’ what they had run [against Hillary] Clinton,” Trippi said. “And I think Palin clearly moved that to be change [and] reform, versus change. They are adjusting to that and that threw them off balance a little bit.”

A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”

Also Obama camp seems not to have appreciated much of anything about Steve Schmidt, who had been with Arnold out here (and went to Alaska with Palin, btw)

I thought it was a weak convention… but…

“Obama needed to define himself,” Lake said. “I do think that during the Democratic convention we should have done a better job of defining McCain.”

Biden was a bad bad pick.

19. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 September 2008

17 – yes, and I think they also believed their own fiction about how women don’t matter, Obama can afford to piss some of them off, etc.

20. wilfred - 11 September 2008

Hayley Barbour doing his dirty deeds yet again. Multiply this how many times around the US in November?


21. NYCO - 11 September 2008

I see the “sitcom” diary at Open Left mentioned in previous thread, got promoted to their front page. Although the author changed it to a title that doesn’t mention a sitcom…

But I found the author’s thesis compelling:

Let’s stipulate that there’s a group of voters that don’t take their civic duties seriously – people who seem capable of voting against their own rational interests in favor of some kind of Gemeinschaft or Gemutlichkeit of race or gender… We can be kinder and say that America has produced a lot of people who have allowed their lives to trick them into working like crazy, really for little reward. When they get home they want to eat and watch TV. They don’t want to be upset. If they feel positively about something, it’s expressed irrationally because of the way the news is presented. If they feel negatively about something, they could end up “just not liking” someone whose programs would benefit them.

The full extent of the culture of marriage and family has been denied to many of these people. As a substitute, they have television shows, not all of which are sitcoms, but which develop TV personae, images and characters, according to a sitcom logic. Remember, sitcoms themselves were an “advance” in television toward the presentation of “real” people.

The point is leverage. If you can get a demographic to identify with a TV character, their opinion can be influenced with greater intensity and greater coverage than ad campaigns can achieve. “Attraction is better than promotion.”

Author goes on to portray Sarah Palin as an archetypal female sitcom heroine, points out dangers inherent in males trying to upstage female sitcom heroines – who are typically brassy and outspoken – (and notes dangers for Palin as well), suggests what changes Obama could make in his presentation to become a more attractive male focal character in this “sitcom.”

The problem is Obama’s persona, a word that hasn’t been used much in this campaign. If you could compare him to a well-known sitcom character (or supporting character), who would you cast him as?

22. NYCO - 11 September 2008

Sorry, here is the link again.

23. baypraire - 11 September 2008

i just replied to the email marisa mentioned above.

no missing this one (ike) i dont think. seven beachside counties are already under evacuation alert although right now there’s very little traffic reported. as of this moment i don’t think people are leaving like they did during rita. a lot of that was probably katrina inspired fear.

up until today i’ve mostly been watching, but now i’m going to have to decide what to do… here’s where i’ve been watching. better map than the one at national hurricane center.


24. marisacat - 11 September 2008

thanks bay…

25. mattes - 11 September 2008

Meet the Masters of the Universe:

European Union investigates CIA drug plane


26. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Chafee calls her a “cocky whacko”… and Matt Damon, that pro PEPFAR, Campaign ONE, Bush complimenting, Bono acolyte (I have the Hardball link, will find it) says she scares him and he “doesn’t know why more people are not talking about this”. There is a vid running around…

huh? What bubble is little Matt in?


27. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Jesus.. then Blagojovich, always strong for reproductive rights for one, carries the mantle for some sort of public face, intra party political decency. what a shock.

[Gov. Rod] Blagojevich, who supports favorite son U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for president, today criticized Democrats for belittling the experience of Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and took a jab at the work of legislators who run for executive positions…

Blagojevich, who said he spent two summers after high school working on the Alaska pipeline, readily defended the executive experience that governors have in contrast to legislators when it comes to being presidential material.

“I would hope the Democrats wouldn’t say that about a governor,” Blagojevich, a former state legislator and congressman, told [radio host Spike] O’Dell of criticism that the first-term Palin lacks experience. ::snip::

28. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Riding at the top of The Caucus

September 11, 2008, 2:00 pm

Lead Shrinking, Obama Tries to Secure Pennsylvania

By The New York Times
On Line – Katharine Q. Seelye

In her Web column today, Katharine Q. Seelye writes about Senator Barack Obama’s efforts to win Pennsylvania, a state he lost to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primary and where polls show Senator John McCain closing in. Go to column

29. NYCO - 11 September 2008

I’d love to know what’s going on in upstate NY with this election. You would get a real barometer of bedrock northeastern swing state sentiment untouched by advertising or campaign appearances, since there are none here.

Quinnipiac, Siena and Marist routinely break down their polls on upstate-downstate lines, so I wonder if they will do a presidential poll any time soon.

30. NYCee - 11 September 2008

Americans like a W-I-N-N-E-R. They like someone who acts like he/she is a winner, no ifs, ands, or buts. In war and in campaigns (war!). That’s Palin. And that’s the GOP, once they get a crack of an opening. Despite being buried under a heap of their own shite’s creation, they are torpedoed out to fight another day. Their way. The Democrats sat back and let the Rs be their own opponent and they got beaten down by themselves. But they rise again and the Dems have developed no muscle to fight them back. Obama exemplifies this quite a bit lately. Poster child of what ails the party.

Obama has been really lackluster. (Ironic that the comment that overtook the news cycle like gangbusters, “lipstick on a pig,” was actually delivered in such a wan and bungled manner. He uhttered it as if he had been awakened in the middle of a nap.)

Biden is a no-show, and, while he should be out fighting, who can say that is a bad thing, when the bad thing is Biden himself? (The Biden Choice: Talk about aiming a suicidal gun at your brand!)

The Rs can go full tilt in orgiastic public rituals of he-man blood and guts glory, for Country First, etc. They say this is how we WIN – no apologies, no dissection – and people like them precisely because of it – they do what they need to do to WIN, they reveal their lust to win, whether it’s the campaign war or the insane war/s der leader started. They laugh in the face of the sorry results of their piss poor policies, wipe the board clean, and write WIN in glowing bold – and stay in the running. Throw in a Sarah and they run strong. Bold WIN turns to flashing neon on a marquee.

How can the Dems compete? They are too torn. They wont be Rs, but they wont just as lustily fight against what the Rs fight for. Their hesitancy and “paler shade of” offerings, their snips, nips and tucks, tentative toe into R waters and backpedal out (when the roulette wheel stops at “shit hit the fan”) are in every “uh” Obama utters.

Uhbama. Ugh.

31. NYCee - 11 September 2008

I have to wonder if it isnt a manifestation, this USA USA!!! WIN WIN WIN!!! thing, of a people who have, at subterranean level, realized that this big MIC/C thingamajig we are afloat upon is just way beyond our reach.

We have no say, so why not just glory in the image of passenger on board the biggest, baddest winner in the world? If we cant impact it, at least let us feel we “belong” to it. For this honor, it may do to us as it will. It can even slip closer and closer to sinking us, with our blessing and grist for its engine, because we will enjoy the pleasure of not noticing we are not really winners till it actually starts to take on water.

32. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Yeah I don;t waste too much time denigrating the electorate. In any case, there is propaganda for every single slice and sliver… They display a kind of cellular level smarts. it is what it is. And most of them know it on some level.

33. NYCee - 11 September 2008

Read that article, NYCO, and was struck by the paragraph Mcat extracted – the one about the small farms and businesses given the shaft. And yeah, the Dems/Obama do not address this. Fight for us.

There was a sad piece recently, front page, about barns disappearing in Iowa, (NYTimes)… and one man’s mission to save them from extinction. Well, I see that in small businesses every day in a city whose soul is greedily being gobbled up by chain stores and banks at breathtaking speed… the Bloombergian Blob that Ate Manhattan.

Joni MItchell oughta rewrite Big Yellow Taxi. I am nostalgic for the Pink Hotel and swinging hot spot… as long as theyre not chains that are replicated across the map. Bloomberg has given us more trees. Put the Mom and Pops in a museum.

34. marisacat - 11 September 2008

Ambinder has a ”feel better” post riding at teh top of his site. The problem is, for me even if I were still a voting Democrat, still wishing hoping that some one of them pulled it off… so many of the names named as offering reassurances are FULLY DISCREDITED, and across years.

“Obama Team And Dem Establishment Work To Bridge A Gap, And Ickes Now Thinks Obama Can Win”


Even so, I find the title about PA at The Caucus harsh. I mean how mealy mouthed are the Democrats being? Geesh, no fight.

BTW, I read several mentions over the past few days when the election is won, Ob plans a trip to Kenya. How tone deaf can it get.

35. NYCee - 11 September 2008

Well, they are incredibly vomit inducing – with their rants and chants. Some of what made me so sick of Obama wasnt just what I saw in him, but the mindless adulation around him. I was glomming them onto him, in a way, in my disgust.

Ditto and more (disgust) for the blood and guts USA/WIN crowd.

36. marisacat - 11 September 2008

oh ugh I hated the ground level Ob supporters. The USA!! USA!! chanters. All of that from the months in Iowa forward turned me off. The ones who would slobber to pray for him and “protect him”. The “We Can Do It” types. Ugh no.

ugh, taking a pass. On both sides.

37. NYCO - 11 September 2008

Reading a NYT compendium of the latest Biden gaffes, it struck me that Biden is the perfect VP candidate… it’s what he was born for… in the old-fashioned sense of the VP being a doofus. No wonder he was crying like Miss America on the runway in his hometown appearances the week after he was selected…

However, I think Biden’s gaffes will have absolutely minimal impact on the race. Everyone already knows he’s brain-to-mouth challenged. Old news.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008

What got into Newsweek? The GOP is working to keep eligible African-Americans from voting in several states.

Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver’s licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it’s spreading.

GOP proponents of the move say they are merely trying to reduce voter fraud. But while occasional efforts to stuff ballot boxes through phony absentee voting still surface, the incidence of individual vote fraud—voting when you aren’t eligible—is virtually non-existent, as “The Truth About Vote Fraud,” a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, clearly shows. In other words, the problem Republicans claim they want to combat with increased ID requirements doesn’t exist. Meanwhile, those ID hurdles facing individuals do nothing to stop the organized insiders who still try to game the system.

The motive here is political, not racial. Republicans aren’t bigots like the Jim Crow segregationists. But they know that increased turnout in poor, black neighborhoods is good for Democrats. In that sense, the effort to suppress voting still amounts to the practical equivalent of racism.

In Crawford, the court upheld an Indiana law essentially requiring a passport or driver’s license in order to vote. But more than two thirds of Indiana adults have no passports and nearly 15 percent have no driver’s licenses. These eligible voters, disproportionately African-American, will need to take a bus or catch a ride from a friend down to the motor vehicles bureau to make sure they obtain a nondriver photo ID. Otherwise, they cannot vote in Indiana this year.

To get an idea of how many African-Americans nationwide lack driver’s licenses, recall Hurricane Katrina in 2005, when thousands were stranded without transportation. “Crawford Republicans” could make the old “Jim Crow Democrats” look like pikers when it comes to voter suppression.

Consider Wisconsin, a swing state. Republicans officials there are suing to enforce a “no match, no vote” provision in state regulations, where voters must not only show a photo ID, but establish that it matches the name and number in the Department of Motor Vehicles or Social Security Administration database. (Democrats are resisting the suit.) These lists are riddled with errors in every state, as the Brennan Center has proven in its report, “Restoring the Right to Vote.”

No mention of the nearly decade-long work that Greg Palast and Brad Friedman, and I love the breezy dismissal that it has anything to do with race.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008

ooops, work OF Palast and Friedman etc.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008
41. lucid - 11 September 2008

Ah – another lunatic let into the ‘big tent’ with welcoming arms, while the dirty hippies are shunned…

42. lucid - 11 September 2008

btw Bay – I hope you are evacuating, this looks bad. They’re predictin g a 20-22 foot storm surge and at least Category 1 winds in Houston, but probably Cat 2.

Stay safe.

43. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

Stay safe, bay.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008

hugs bay! stay hi and dry.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008

Has American Society Gone Insane?

Is American society a healthy one, and are those having difficulties adjusting to it mentally ill? Or is American society an unhealthy one, and are many Americans with emotional difficulties simply alienated rather than ill? For Fromm, “An unhealthy society is one which creates mutual hostility (and) distrust, which transforms man into an instrument of use and exploitation for others, which deprives him of a sense of self, except inasmuch as he submits to others or becomes an automaton.” Fromm viewed American society as an increasingly unhealthy one, in which people routinely experience painful alienation that fuels emotional and behavioral difficulties.

Those comfortably atop societal hierarchies have difficulty recognizing that many American institutions promote helplessness, passivity, boredom, fear, isolation, alienation and dehumanization for those not at the top. One-size-fits-all schools, the corporate workplace, government bureaucracies and other giant, impersonal institutions routinely promote manipulative relationships rather than respectful ones, machine efficiency rather than human pride, authoritarian hierarchies rather than participatory democracy, disconnectedness rather than community, and helplessness rather than empowerment.

In The Sane Society, Fromm warned, “Today the function of psychiatry, psychology and psychoanalysis threatens to become the tool in the manipulation of man. The specialists in this field tell you what the ‘normal’ person is, and, correspondingly, what is wrong with you; they devise the methods to help you adjust, be happy, be normal.”

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 September 2008
47. lucid - 11 September 2008

Always had a bit of a soft spot for Fromm, though I generally loathe the discipline of psychology. Derrida also gained a lot of insight from Talmudic interpretations of scriptures, i.e. the real story of ‘Babel’ is that ‘God’ is in fact difference and confusion – our unity [‘the gate of God’] is precisely our difference. And this is backed by the idea of the diaspora. When viewed from the standpoint of humanism rather than messianism, it conveys the idea that ‘the work of god’ is precisely to have no home, no country, no institutional affiliations – ‘the work of god’ is to experience and celebrate our differences as human beings. This is of course supported in the prophetic accounts of someone who never existed called Jesus… But it is all interesting nonetheless.

In my opinion, all of these early myths began to converge toward a notion of humanism – very clearly. They were used and manipulated by aristocracy to solidify their place, but in the few moments when the governed were not completely brain dead, huge strides were made against that… and it was because of the dissent.

48. diane - 11 September 2008


Couldn’t agree more ………..


yes, stay safe bay, if you’re in a flood area, at a minimum keep something you can float on at all times if possible.

49. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

Venezuela’s Chavez expels U.S. ambassador

CARACAS (Reuters) – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Thursday expelled the U.S. ambassador from the oil-exporting country in an escalating battle between Washington and Latin America’s left-wing leaders.

“Go to hell, s— yankees, we are a dignified people, go to hell 100 times,” Chavez shouted at a political rally to thousands of roaring supporters.
Chavez’s diplomatic move came a day after Bolivian President Evo Morales, one of his closest allies, expelled the U.S. ambassador in La Paz after accusing him of instigating violent protests in the Andean nation.

The United States retaliated against Bolivia on Thursday by ordering its ambassador to Washington to leave.

“The yankee ambassador in Caracas has got 72 hours to get out of Venezuela, in solidarity with Bolivia,” Chavez said, adding he was recalling his own ambassador to Washington too.

Fun times. Fun times.

50. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

45. huge strides were made against that… and it was because of the dissent.

Exactly. And that’s not going to happen any time soon. Not in a way that would truly be effective.

51. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

“If it weren’t for government, we wouldn’t have a Civil Rights Act”

– Obama during this (extremely boring) service forum tonite

Gee. Wasn’t there something like a huge cry of outrage when Hillary made a similar comment way back in the spring?

These people are tiresome.

52. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008


Do you have somewhere to go? With family? Friends? Are you able to evacuate if you need to?

53. marisacat - 11 September 2008


Yup… and he has said that before too… in his lone interview to the The Advocate (I posted it at the time). He said the Federal government does very well in the area of Civil Rights and in fact has been a leader.

OK fella. Whatever works for you.

54. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

He also muddled his response to the quote from last Sunday’s talk show where he said he had thought about joining the military. I don’t have the transcript yet.

Regardless, both of them talked about pumping up the military (rah rah $$$) and Obama seems to think he can make government “cool”. Ya. Good luck with that.

55. raincat100 - 11 September 2008

TPM had a snippet of this interview with McBlinky; here’s the rest:

Rob Caldwell of WCSH, Portland, Maine interviews McCain

Sorry, I just had to share.

56. lucid - 11 September 2008

I’m hoping Bay’s lack of response means she’s getting out of harms way… my thoughts our with you…

57. marisacat - 11 September 2008

She had emailed me that her work place is a very safe reinforced building and that if she decided not to try the roads (which it is reported are being patroled and serviced wtih gas trucks, unlike Katrina) she would take supplies and go there…

58. cad - 11 September 2008

Paglia is the female Andrew Sullivan. If she really thinks Palin represents the next evolutionary step in feminism after Madonna…but this is a woman who also admires Rush Limbaugh.

She came across as I expected, a cypher filled with rote responses.

59. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

57. Thanks for the info, mcat.

60. liberalcatnip - 11 September 2008

Wow. Just catching some of this Gibson/Plain interview. She sure doesn’t like answering questions directly. Quite the politician.

61. baypraire - 12 September 2008

the latest

The official forecast has shifted very moderately eastward, now bringing Ike into land across the east end of Galveston Island. However the inland track is adjusted slightly to the west, bringing the storm’s center near downtown Houston.

At this location even a few miles matter. If Ike were to track another 20 or 30 miles eastward up the coast, it’s probable that much of Houston would be spared hurricane-force winds, and Galveston Island would see a significantly smaller surge than the 15 feet, or more, presently forecast.

If Ike doesn’t move up the coast Galveston and areas along Galveston Bay face a potentially catastrophic storm surge, which the local National Weather Service office has described in the strongest possible terms.

im crossing my fingers for the people of galveston bay and hoping for that more eastwardly landfall. i’m bailing on the work idea which is closing down completely, and getting out of town. the freeways were heavy leaving town earlier but as of now (2 a.m.) are open, there is no gridlock as there was during rita. gas is so so, some places are out but i saw several that weren’t on the way home and my tank is full. so im about to go pack up 3 guitars, two uncooperative cats plus myself and head out soon as i’m ready. ive got an invitation from friends in austin earlier and have decided to head that way. thanks everyone for your kind wishes!

62. lucid - 12 September 2008

I think there is something to Madonna – 2 things specifically: the ability to not give a shit and the drive to seek out the best in the genre [like William Orbit, etc.]

For all of her idiocies, I actually think Madonna has done worlds of good for the world. In gay culture in the sheltered midwest, whatever it was, I think she helped some men come out. In pop culture I think she did help some women define sex as an active adventure rather than passive christian acceptance.

I know most of you are older, so maybe you didn’t see this, because you’d seen it in different ways before. It was very important for my generation. She’s a pop star, yet, when I watch ‘Truth or Dare’, there are times that I cry. Just like I cry at documentaries about Title 9, just like I cry when Joan Baez sings… just like I cry when I read about the suffrage movement. There is something she’s done to culture that I think is important… and interestingly enough it is not a thought shared by a younger generation of women.

They think she’s tame, or gaudy. We’ll she’s both – like all of us, you just need to understand where she came from.

63. marisacat - 12 September 2008

bay …

take care…

Valium for the cats!

64. marisacat - 12 September 2008

hmm Jonathan Alter on Charlie Rose is arguing that Obama should have agreed to at least some of the Town Halls, so “America could get comfortable with him”.

I thought he needed the practice, but whatever.

65. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Begala is arguing they did not have “rapid response” in 92, they had “Rapid Attack”. They would attack Bush first.


66. lucid - 12 September 2008

I wish you the best bay… I’m glad you have someplace to go… Nothing better than furry friends and guitars. 🙂

67. marisacat - 12 September 2008

I loved aspects of Madonna, The Blasphemer… god it was great! But, reminded of this as I saw some stray film just the other night of Mae West in her absolute prime, there is a long line of blondes that led to Madonna.

68. lucid - 12 September 2008

Most definitely. In the ’80’s persona. But she changed when I was in college to something very different, and changed again in the late ’90’s to something very different. That does mean she’s a pop star, with all it’s stupid baggage. But I’ve been listening to Madonna since I was about 10, and her best, in my humble opinion, was ‘Ray of Light’ – an album that I think got far past the Mae West idiom. She’s no Joan, Joni, or Patti, but her influence is wider, and through the strength of the poetry will never compare, I really admire her for what she’s done.

69. marisacat - 12 September 2008

an album that I think got far past the Mae West idiom.

Well sure. Mae was 80 years ago.

70. marisacat - 12 September 2008

VF on power press politics… as relates to Obama.

71. lucid - 12 September 2008

indeed 😉

just saying…

72. lucid - 12 September 2008

I’ll never understand my Madonna love, just like I’ll never understand my hippie love… Certain things hit me – and exemplify ideas I like in whatever bizarre way my brain interprets them… and in my obtuse way of understanding other people, I can interpret them through that lexicon…

we all have are limits… 🙂

73. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Well as a child I was in love with Jean Harlow (my mother had wonderful books of and about Holywood)– and Edith Sitwell..


I loved Madonna, but did sort of naturally fall away from her in the 90s, plus here we are almost out of the first decade of the new century, so I only kept up thru music videos, various media – and what drifted thru.

74. NYCee - 12 September 2008

I didnt like Madonna’s music all that much, but I liked her stage shows/variety act (singing, dancing, set design). And Truth or Dare was one thing I really bothered to watch, front to back of the performance/doc (Didnt bother with her book or most of her other offerings, like Evita, etc). Really dug the choreography. I recall the ending of the flic, when she taunted Hollywood while frolicking in bed with her dancers. She faced the camera and proclaimed, “We [the royal “we”?] dont believe in plastic surgery!” Turns to her sycophantic troupe – “Do we?!” Ha ha ha. No dissent there! We are so advanced, so forever confident in ourselves.

Now all I notice is her highly surgerized face. It is not just the tightening that happens with skin pulls and Botox, but she has purchased a chin to rival all chins. Cheekbones, too. (Marlene Dietrich invades Marilyn.)

She reminds me of lots of women/girls I have known, who were very rebellious and progressive in their youth. Had a certain something – mockery and toughness. Nothing special later on. You wouldnt recognize them in the throng of conformists.

Not a fan.

75. NYCee - 12 September 2008

God, that was dreadful, that Obama interview on Service. (I am sure the McCain one was too, that’s a given, although I didnt have the time to watch)

He is still tiiiiired and uh uh uh… ugh!

And the things he says – ugh.

I cannot pull out the quotes verbatim, and dont have time to rummage thru the transcript now, but there were bits and pieces strewn throughout that really sucked. Like (paraphrasing): When we find ourselves in a war [just that in itself, “find ourselves” again, perhaps not exact quote, but it was that sort of passive phrasing], it is better that many serve [oh, that sacred word, “serve”], rather than just some. The “many” rather than “some” is verbatim and I think he was in the thicket of trying to explain his “I wouldve served in Vietnam” idiocy.

And McCain’s ‘service’ to our country (in Vietnam) was vaunted to hosana land.

He wants more foreign service, to assist our military. Poor things are left adrift without support services in those wars we find ourselves in. See, the world is so full of nasty hot hot hot spots, none of them our creation.

76. marisacat - 12 September 2008

When I land on the transcript for the Service Hoo Hoo with both Ob and McC, I will post a link… I hve only seen snips…

77. NYCee - 12 September 2008

Have on Morning Joe and JoeFlyOver is in full form. Likes to deride Gibson’s “haughtiness” (so Upper West Side!) to Palin rather than the content of what she said.

I watched the Gibson interview of Obama on the ME trip (wrote diary) and I thought he was quite decent compared to the typical lowgrade questioning we see from MSM brotherhood and sisterhood. He was tough and a bit haughty. LIke Paxman of the BBC. I am not your friend. I am wary of you. Good!

If this is how he handled Palin, which is what Im getting from the reaction of Joe (Peggy Noonan, thankfully, countered Joe’s rants with a little common sense on the need to show what she knows, thinks…) then good on him. I would rather see the condescending attitude than the insider fluff pitching that normally flies.

Only saw a few clippets, but nothing surprising there. She is certainly CONFIDENT (squarely turns her Lenscrafters toward her questioner, doesnt blink, no “uh uh uhs” like Uhbama) and horrid.

Hadnt yet boned up on the Bush Doctrine and got caught on it. Shot out some nonsense about attacking terrorists when he tried to clue her in on how it applied to the Iraq War thingie.

She deserves scorn.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 September 2008

Lose your house, lose your vote

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”

The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”

One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.

“You can’t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,” said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. “I don’t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.”

As for the practice of challenging the right to vote of foreclosed property owners, Hebert called it, “mean-spirited.”

GOP ties to state’s largest foreclosure law firm

The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.

The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.

79. NYCO - 12 September 2008

I haven’t paid attention to Madonna since roughly 1987.

Seriously, I just am not in touch with what she was doing since then, except for that “dirty book” she put out.

Then again, I’m still sometimes bewildered at what U2 became since 1987.

I sort of left the pop-rock world after I left high school, never came back.

80. NYCO - 12 September 2008

45. I definitely believe societies can be unhealthy and un-sane. Just like certain families, groups, and religious groups/cults can be systematically dysfunctional. Heck, it’s widely accepted that the New York legislature is systematically dysfunctional, it’s conventional wisdom now…

When I see a 6-year-old first grader on the first day of school, dragging a heavy backpack on wheels stuffed full of books and materials to class — what does a 6-year-old need with all that stuff?! — yes, I’m not surprised you have kids being diagnosed with all kinds of “disorders.”

81. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 September 2008

58 cad – Paglia likes to shake things up. Ludicrous as some of her statements may be, she can be counted upon for valid criticisms of the flaws in the current feminist movement – for example, the perpetual victim-mentality that goes way beyond “consciousness-raising” and ends up DISempowering women.

73 – Oh I loved Harlow too. I especially liked one movie of hers, Bombshell, with Lee Tracy, one of my faves. She and Tracy were electric together.

I don’t care much for Madonna but she has more substance than the vast majority of trilling pop stars.

As for Mae West, she had a very impressive showbiz career before appearing in the 1930s movies that are most familiar to us. She was not only a “sex goddess” but independent and creative, writing her own shows, etc.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 September 2008

47 – I think Fromm had a certain degree of loathing of psychology, as it was practiced. I’ve always thought guys like him and Jung thought the discipline should become a sort of secular shaman, helping people on journeys of self-discovery, rather than the medical model, as broken machines to be fixed.

48 – Madonna’s gift to mainstream society was to broaden the boundaries of what is “normal”, when it comes to sexuality/gender or “faith” (I loved the god stuff, too). I thought her “dirty” book was a much needed poke in the ribs of this hypocritically tight-assed country.

I hope you’re well on the way and not reading this bay, and wish you safe travels.

Off to work.

83. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 September 2008

79, NYCO – I sort of left the pop-rock world after I left high school, never came back.

Well there isn’t much to it anymore, at least the “hits” you hear on the radio and see plastered all over TV. That’s why I only listen to unknown/fringey stuff and musicians from outside the US.

84. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 September 2008

Yes, best wishes, bay, and be sure to check back in with us and let us know how you’re doing when you get to safety and things settle down.

85. NYCO - 12 September 2008

From the Houston Chronicle, in Galveston…

Wanda and Ronald Williams said they live on Avenue M, about a mile and a half from the coast, and plan to ride out the hurricane.
Ronald, 56, said the waves are impressive, but not quite as big as the ones he saw when Hurricane Alicia came ashore in 1983.

Hey dumbass: Ike is at least 12 hours from landfall. I’m sure the waves will be “quite” bigger when it does come ashore…

86. Intermittent Bystander - 12 September 2008

Safe and speedy trails to Austin, bay!

I’ve got a young brother in Houston (just east of downtown) hunkering down for his first hurricane ever. Loft-type apartment in converted brick/concrete warehouse, big double-glazed windows facing a bayou. Bedroom is windowless at least, so I guess that will be the bunker, as needed. He stocked up on supplies yesterday and hopefully canceled his Friday night date!

Gawd these storms are hard on the nerves, even watching from afar.

87. Intermittent Bystander - 12 September 2008

Belated happy birthday catnip!

Look what I found, googling around: Species-characteristic responses to catnip by undomesticated felids

Journal Journal of Chemical Ecology
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0098-0331 (Print) 1573-1561 (Online)
Issue Volume 2, Number 2 / April, 1976
DOI 10.1007/BF00987747
Pages 239-253
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Friday, January 21, 2005

Abstract Thirty-three large felids belonging to six different species were exposed to catnip and catnip extract. The species-characteristic response to catnip and the sensitivity of the response to various concentrations of catnip were examined. Putative relationships between catnip sensitivity, species range, age, estrous cycle, and behavioral complexity are discussed. The behavioral response to catnip shown by the domestic cat is seen in several different large felids. Lions and jaguars were extremely sensitive to catnip compared to tigers, cougars, and bobcats, who gave little or no response. Both males and females of the same species tested alike. Reproductive-age adults were more sensitive than either aged or immature animals. It was quantitatively demonstrated that catnip responsiveness is not limited to the domestic cat, that it is not limited to the female, and that it varies dramatically between species and age of felids.

Key words catnip – olfaction – behavior – threshold response – felines – sensitivity

Study was supported in part by an NSF Faculty Research fund award to the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.

YouTube of jaguars under the influence. Love the final smileyface on Spot!

88. NYCO - 12 September 2008

I guess this sort of commercial is meant as “red meat for the base…” (from AP)

“Today is the first day of the rest of the campaign,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe says in a campaign strategy memo. “We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain’s attacks and we will take the fight to him, but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people.”

The newest ad showcasing their hard line includes unflattering footage of McCain at a hearing in the early ’80s, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik’s Cube.

“1982, John McCain goes to Washington,” an announcer says over chirpy elevator music. “Things have changed in the last 26 years, but McCain hasn’t.

“He admits he still doesn’t know how to use a computer, can’t send an e-mail, still doesn’t understand the economy, and favors two hundred billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class,” it says. It shows video of McCain getting out of a golf cart with former President George H.W. Bush and closes with a photo of him standing with the current President Bush at the White House. “After one president who was out of touch, we just can’t afford more of the same.”

89. marisacat - 12 September 2008

H-RR and NYCO out of Moderation…

sorry! for the delay…

………. 8) …………….

Just hearing that people on a freighter in the Gulf have to ride it/Ike out – on the freighter.

90. marisacat - 12 September 2008

O gee:

“We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain’s attacks and we will take the fight to him, but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people.”

When they need to slash at the big veins in his legs.


91. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 September 2008

88 – yeah that ad totally says “ferocity” and “big issues” to me.

Obama’s handlers and promoters are so clueless it’s surprising to me that they even have jobs.

92. marisacat - 12 September 2008



Hope your brother will be OK…

93. Intermittent Bystander - 12 September 2008

Thanks. I hope so too!

94. marisacat - 12 September 2008

tee up for Sarah Bellicosa! LOL She will lead us into battle, with all 5 chilluns!

September 12, 2008
Categories: Sarah Palin

The first Palin cable interview…

…is with Sean Hannity, Fox says, as she heads back to a zone of relative safety.

By Ben Smith 11:17 AM

95. NYCO - 12 September 2008

Looks like Brian “Buddy” Schweitzer is in a wee bit of kerfluffle

Unsurprising that a candidate so beloved of the Boyz would act just like them.

96. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Tapper laughs at Obama camp “taking off teh gloves”, for the 4th time… (he has the vid of a new ad)

But just so you know — this is by my count the 4th time Obama’s campaign has officially or unofficially made such a declaration that Obama will “take off the gloves” and fight back.

That’s a lot of pairs of gloves.

The Isotoner campaign, one might say.

Another part of today’s claim is that the Democrat is going to aggressively claim the “change” mantle.

As part of this — the staggeringly fresh assertion that Sen. John McCain has voted with President Bush 90% of the time, a factoid Obama has only made seven thousand times before.

Today will also be, per the Obama campaign, the first day of the home stretch. This will be, to my count, at least the second time the Obama campaign has decreed such a new beginning, perhaps even the third.

97. Intermittent Bystander - 12 September 2008

John and Cindy are on The View, as we speak.

98. liberalcatnip - 12 September 2008

87. lol…thanks, IB. 🙂

Now that I know that my magic won’t work on tigers, cougars, and bobcats, I’ll stay away from those guys!

Madonna – not a big fan of her music but the one thing I do admire about her (because she’s the same age as me) is her ability to remake herself. Even if it is, in her case, more of a marketing tool to stay current, I wish I had that much courage. I also appreciate the cultural barriers she’s helped to knock down at least a bit (sexuality, religion etc.).

99. NYCO - 12 September 2008

There are reportedly people in Port Bolivar (across from Galveston) stranded on their roofs waiting for rescue… and it hasn’t even started raining yet.

100. NYCO - 12 September 2008

Funniest comment I’ve seen on Twitter…

Here in Texas saying fuck ike!!! I’m still getting my hairfixed today! U don’t come bt a southern woman and the hair salon!

101. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Here is the CNN transcript for the Service Forum with Ob and McC

102. marisacat - 12 September 2008

hmmm Hackett, whom it must be said I could not stand for a number of reasons… reappears. BS/politico links to a Dkos diary. Quite the revelation [not] as to assholishness…

Hackett isn’t a particularly central figure in Ohio Democratic politics these days, and I don’t think the Obama campaign is likely to air the attack ad he suggests, which goes after Palin on the grounds of sex and motherhood.

It includes the line that Palin “accidentally got pregnant at age 43 and the tax payers of Alaska have to pay for the care of her disabled child.” (And that’s the most printable part.)

He also mentions Bradley affect. It is less popular to evoke and not catchy, but there is an argument to be made about “the Bradley affect”… and I am not denying racism as a harsh reality, nor denying that racism can walk into the voting booth with the voter…. BUT, Bradley also cut off money and greatly reduced hard campainging appearances two weeks before the vote. So..

103. NYCO - 12 September 2008

Is Obama’s new ad really going to win him votes he doesn’t already have? Isn’t this ad just a “shore up troop morale” type of thing? It plays so blatantly into the peculiar obsessions of the netroots…

Giving a pep talk to one’s troops is not the same thing as “attacking.”

104. liberalcatnip - 12 September 2008

102. that Palin “accidentally got pregnant at age 43

He was there, was he?

96. That “Isotoner” meme is getting a lot of play today. I just saw the latest Obamalama attack ad on CNN. “New” politics. Mmm hmm. The wingnuts are winning with the same strategery they’ve used for years: the politics of hysteria. In an abusive relationship, you call that “crazy-making” ie. the other person tries to make you believe that you’re completely out of touch with reality. Slowly, unless you end the relationship, you even start to believe it and any defence you try to mount against it is treated with even more insanity. See: Pig, Lipstick on a.

Around and around it goes.

Even Ari Fleischer on Larry King’s show the other nite gave the correct response to how to deal with all of this: Obama needs to just ignore Palin. Fleischer knows the wingnuts’ game and that is how you deal with what’s been going on. Turn away, walk away. Carry on with your own message to save yourself. But Obamalama, who loves the sarcasm (and I do too but I’m not running for president) just can’t help but to weigh in on absolutely everything. Big mistake and now he’s looking desperate.

Just my random thoughts.

Btw, where’s Michelle these days?

105. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Obama needs to just ignore Palin.

Which has been said privately and publicly to Obama for TWO WEEKS. And here we are.

106. liberalcatnip - 12 September 2008

Cardinal Turcotte gives back Order of Canada

Montreal’s archbishop is renouncing his Order of Canada to protest Dr. Henry Morgentaler’s appointment to the prestigious membership.

Cry me a river.

107. marisacat - 12 September 2008

Btw, where’s Michelle these days?

Off the trail for the week but for Wednesday. First week of school for the chilluns.

108. NYCO - 12 September 2008

I’m flummoxed by the Rubik’s Cube imagery, frankly. In my generation (guess I’m just ooooooold!), Rubik’s Cube was a cool and smart toy. If you could solve one, people were impressed. Of course, there were any number of books out there that taught you the secrets, and I memorized the instructions, and people would bring me their messed-up Cubes to fix. I even fixed one for the class bully.

So, yeah, I can see why the intellectual, geeky Obama would want to equate Rubik’s Cubes with stupidity and dumb oldness. Punching buttons on your iPhone is so much smarter.

109. NYCO - 12 September 2008

107. Heh, that shows you how OLD I am! iPhones don’t HAVE buttons!

110. NYCO - 12 September 2008

Here is a link to “Ike TV” (four Galveston TV stations playing on the same page simultaneously – sort of split-screeny, like):


Based on what they’re showing now – 12 hours from landfall – I wonder if there will be a Galveston left.

111. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 September 2008

Wow, that DKos Hackett diary is loathsome. He also advises accusing Palin of adultery. What’s nice, though, is that the comments are full of pushback, much of it furious and outraged. The supporters of Hackett are DK worthies such as pontificator, cosmic debris and – you’ll never guess who – Mr. Sensitive New Age Liberal Feminist, eugene!! Hilarious!

112. marisacat - 12 September 2008


I found the advisory t leave or “face death” a bit unnerving.

113. NYCO - 12 September 2008

Even the bugs have the sense to git the hell outta Dodge…

Reporter Dane Schiller was phoning in his latest update from the flooding scene in Surfside Beach when he paused and gasped. A gigantic ball of fire ants floated past his leg. He looked up and spotted other floating masses of the stinging insects.

Word is that the cockroaches left a couple hours ago.

114. marisacat - 12 September 2008

nooooooo thread………………


…………………… 8) ………………..

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