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Dust to dust.. 19 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate, WAR!.


Dust Bowl Farm – Dorothea Lange

Not that it matters much, really, but Counterpunch had an article today on the breaking of Glass-Steagall in 1999 that included the voting roll.

But before the roll call, some juicy preamble…

But wait . . . as usual, the Democrats were eager to pile on to this reversal of New Deal regulatory progressivism — fully 38 of 45 Senate Democrats voted for the repeal (which passed 90-8), including some famous names commonly associated with “progressive” politics by the easily gulled: Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, and Schumer. And, of course, there was the inevitable shout of “yea” from the ever-servile corporate factotum Joseph Biden, Barack Obama’s idea of a tribune of “change”–if by change one means erasing any lingering obstacle to corporate domination of the polity.

This disgraceful bow to the banking industry, eagerly signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1999, bears a major share of responsibility for the current banking crisis. Here’s the complete roll call of shame:

Roll Call:

REPUBLICANS FOR (52): Abraham, Allard, Ashcroft, Bennett, Brownback, Bond, Bunning, Burns, Campbell, Chafee, Cochran, Collins, Coverdell, Craig, Crapo, DeWine, Domenici, Enzi, Frist, Gorton, Gramm (Tex.), Grams (Minn.), Grassley, Gregg, Hegel, Hatch, Helms, Hutchinson (Ark.), Hutchison (Tex.), Inhofe, Jeffords, Kyl, Lott, Lugar, Mack, McConnell, Murkowski, Nickles, Roberts, Roth, Santorum, Sessions, Smith (N.H.), Smith (Ore.), Snowe, Specter, Stevens, Thomas, Thompson, Thurmond, Voinovich and Warner.

DEMOCRATS FOR (38): Akaka, Baucus, Bayh, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Byrd, Cleland, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Durbin, Edwards, Feinstein, Graham (Fla.), Hollings, Inouye, Johnson, Kennedy, Kerrey (Neb.), Kerry (Mass.), Kohl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Moynihan, Murray, Reed (R.L), Reid (Nev.), Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer, Torricelli and Wyden.


DEMOCRATS AGAINST(7): Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone.

NOT VOTING: 2 REPUBLICANS (2): Fitzgerald (voted present) and McCain. [I have not read why he did not vote — Mcat]

AND the article adds this from the Phoenix Business Journal:

Obama and McCain . . . have accepted a substantial amount of campaign money from Wall Street bankers, investment and securities firms and their executives during this election cycle.

Investment firms have donated $9.9 million to Obama and $6.9 million to McCain this campaign thus far, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Commercial banks have given Obama $2.1 million and McCain $1.9 million. Private equity firms and hedge funds have given Obama $2 million and McCain $1.4 million, according to CFRP.

Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase & Co., UBS and heavyweight law firm DLA Piper are among Obama’s top contributors. JP Morgan acquired Bear Stearns with the federal government taking on as much as $30 billion Bear assets as part of the deal. McCain’s top donor sources include Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Blank Rome and Greenberg Traurig LLP law firms.

Carry on boys and girls. Because we know they will……………


Madman from the end of the lst thread…

Madman in the Marketplace

Phillips on Moyers:

BILL MOYERS: And you write also that during this period the Clinton Administration aided and abetted this kind of speculation. Bill Clinton’s economic advisor, Bob Rubin, who later became Secretary of Treasury — wanting to fuel this, right?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: It’s been a bipartisan phenomenon. You can go back to the 1980s and say Reagan and George Bush, Sr., got a bubble started. Clinton got in and got an even bigger bubble going. And then George W. Bush with the biggest bubble of all. But it’s not that the Clintonites didn’t play. They did. Bob Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury — I mean, if he was a Hindu and he was being reincarnated, he’d come back as a pail because this guy bailed out everything you can imagine. They had the Mexican loan bailout. They had the long-term capital management bailout, the Russian Southeast Asian currency bailouts.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Oh, there may be a pretense in some quarters. I mean, obviously people who were doing the bailouts are saying how important it is that we don’t rock or endanger the financial system. Some would say to the contrary that the best thing we could do would be to put its failings out there and let the making cure it.

I don’t expect that to be the prevailing view. We’ve had 25 years of what I call financial mercantilism, which is the government aiding and pushing and bailing out the financial sector. It’s not going to change. But I do think finance is going to lose its control over the economy in the sense that the public is going to be so angry they’re going to insist on more regulation.

And you can see that both presidential contenders are now talking somewhat more regulation and anger at finance. So I think that’ll crimp their style a little bit. But I’m afraid that the, you know, the horse is way out of the barn.

BILL MOYERS: But as we speak, central banks are pouring billions of dollars into the global economy. Is this a palliative or is this a panacea?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Oh, I think it’s a tricky game. In one respect, they want to make a lot of money available to make it easier to get lending unfrozen. The second thing they want to do is support the dollar, which is under enormous pressure now because people say it’s not a store house of anything. If you want to keep your money safe, put it in gold. So they’re worried about the huge rise that gold had in this week.

So I think what we’re looking at here is an attempt really like a drunk will feel better and get over his hangover better sometimes just by having more liquor. And I think what we’re seeing with the actions of the Federal Reserve Board is the people who are the arsonists, the people who pumped it all up, who blew up the bubble are now racing to show up in firemen’s hats and say, “We’re gonna solve it. We’re gonna take care of all this. Oh, and by the way, we’re gonna keep pumping in the gasoline that we pumped in before that made a good flame.” But, you know, nobody knows that.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: You go through a painful adjustment process. The British were absolutely top dog in the world in 1914. Two world wars and 35 years later, they were having, after World War II, they were having food rationing, the pound sterling crashed, dukes were giving guided tours of their castles because they couldn’t afford to maintain them otherwise. Doesn’t take long. And I’m afraid the United States is coming right into that period which marks a couple of decades coming up that are going to be very difficult for America.

BILL MOYERS: You wrote in that AMERICAN PROSPECT piece that some people, particularly in the reform community and among progressives, see this as a great opportunity for returning to the New Deal regulatory period instigated by Franklin Roosevelt in the pits of the Depression. You don’t think that’s happening.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, I mean, there’s several difficulties here. First of all, at this point, what you’ve got are the Democrats are the party right at this point that’s getting most of the financial money. When Franklin D. Roosevelt won in 1932, we know he wasn’t getting most of the financial money.

The second thing is I don’t think we’re more than partway through. The Democrats think it’s going to be another 1933, they get in there, they can do all the New Deal stuff. My feeling is that they’re coming in halfway and they’re going to have to make hard decisions that are going to eat the Democratic coalition like a bologna sandwich. They’re going to start civil wars-

BILL MOYERS: How come? What do you mean?

KEVIN PHILLIPS: Well, if you’re going to bail out Wall Street while you’re saying oh, the Social Security recipients, maybe they don’t even need that money. A lot of people in the financial community basically want to push Social Security on some sort of voluntary basis and needs test it and get rid of it. Now, a lot of Democrats in the labor movement are very nervous about Obama. They put out press releases talking about Rubin-nomics because they see that the flesh of the Democratic Party carries a lunchbox. But the new soul of the Democratic Party wears a pinstripe suit



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Funny that Black Jeebus’ advisors are all the kind of guys who wear the pointy hats and heap scorn on the masses

2. marisacat - 19 September 2008

oh this is a good one from Kevin Phillips:

Bob Rubin as Secretary of the Treasury — I mean, if he was a Hindu and he was being reincarnated, he’d come back as a pail because this guy bailed out everything you can imagine.

that made me laugh!

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

though having linked to it, I still think Ted Neeley sucked compared to Ian Gillian, at least vocally.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Phillips was great, though I strongly suspect he wants EVERYBODY off his lawn.

5. marisacat - 19 September 2008


oh yeah I’d only want to sit next to KP at a dinner party if he was in a good mood. Or I knew his favorite illicit poison, and had some to offer.

6. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

2 – Me too! Arsonists running in wearing firemen’s hats, saying give us more gasoline! also apt.

7. marisacat - 19 September 2008

The Hindu pail line is STILL making me laugh…

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows that the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight is fixed
The poor stay poor and the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows that the boat is sinking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybodys got this broken feeling
Like their momma or there dog just died
Everybodys hands are in their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Naomi Klein is on Maher too … along w/ Sully and Will.i.am (of the “yes we can” video …)

I’ve got to say, Klein is one of the few sane voices who pops us (her and Jeremy Scahill) on the media.

Sully attacks Klein for not being a socialist, or something. I fucking hate Thatcherites. It’s so funny to watch Mr. Rough Trade to wag his economic moralist finger at common finger.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Sully: “This doesn’t validate Chomsky, this validates Ron Paul.”


11. marisacat - 19 September 2008

yes Sully is in love with Ron Paul, brings him up at his site when ever he can… in fact I thnk I saw that line at his site today…

12. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

MitM – Great song. I keep thinking of Dylan’s Everything’s Broken, too.

Saw Solas last night at the Egg in Albany, and they were pretty damn fab. Amazing string work by Seamus Eagan and Eamon McElholm, and the button accordion/fiddle coordination was something else. (Here’s a CD of duets by the players, Mick McAuley & Winifred Horan Did Coconut Dog (linked a couple of threads back), too! Mairead Phelan, the new singer (and apparently a med student in Dublin, when she’s not touring) was also very good.

Tomorrow’s a big annual Irish music fest in Altamont, and I’m looking forward to Beoga and Lunasa, among others.

As the Gaelic expression goes, The world will come to an end, but music and love will endure.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Solas are good.

14. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008
15. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

wow, Sully is HYSTERICAL about Palin.

16. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

Thanks for the heads up on the Kevin Phillips interview. It was definitely worth watching. He spared no one.

17. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

1- Zanna ho! Zanna hey!

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

and then Sully freaks out because Bill attacks religion.

Why do I subject myself to this?

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

17 – I think this guy blogs at Democratic Underground

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

Woo hoo … it’s foodie friday at IOZ!

This looks yummy. I used to make some great spicy noodle dishes mixing asian and Italian/western ideas … there is NOTHING better than the toothiness of a good noodle combined w/ the bite of a good hot pepper.

21. marisacat - 19 September 2008


yup he and josh marshall feed off each other on that topic

22. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

I used to cook, too. Ah. The good old days!

Great Lange photo, MCat. Is that a wind turbine on there?

23. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Wind – a renewable human resource!

24. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Hilarious comments at Foodie Friday:

cb said…

Congratulations, anonymous!

For your repeated complaints about a popular, oft-requested feature, your pretentious cookier-than-thou attitude, and your incessant bitching about the non-recipeness of something the host referred to as “a little experiment” (not a recipe), you have earned the award of…. Asshole Of The Thread.

Please collect your prize. I hope your acceptance speech includes a thorough discussion of the nuances of southeast Asian palates, including demographic breakdowns delineating the effects of religion, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status vis-a-vis the magnitude of the offense caused by caramelized onions. My personal belief is that Malaysian Buddhists in the Theravadan tradition would be least offended, while Chinese neo-Confucian expatriates in Indonesia would be MOST offended. However, I only dabble a little in this subject, and, like everyone else reading this blog, I would love to hear an expert’s take.

25. marisacat - 19 September 2008


some kind of wind contraption. Yes a really wonderful shot.

Speaking of wind, I heard tonight that T Boone is behind a proposisiton out there, on the Nov ballot. Will have to looke it up, clearly a scam to skim money off CA (which we cannot afford), to do with a “green” project…

26. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Interesting the juxtaposition of the Dust Bowl landscape with the contemporary waterscapes of tsunamis, Katrina, Ike, et al. Not to mention the shrinking icescape-ades.

27. marisacat - 19 September 2008


that made me laugh.. so funny! I have to go read the post now

28. marisacat - 19 September 2008


yes and some dust bowl shots I looked at were evocative of IRAQ, great huge monstrous rolls of dust overwhelming little rural streets and farms.

It all comes home, one way or the other.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Earth and dearth versus excess and whirlpools.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

what, the photo isn’t a metaphorical representation of the Donklephantic potentates’ souls?

BTW, speaking of food and music, may I just say that the ironic use of “Court of the Crimson King” leading into the dinner hosted by Theo’s sellout friend (with the site of the cover of Pink Floyd’s “Animals” right outside the window) was just brilliant? The subversion of former artistic rebellion …. well, just lovely.

Privilege will out. I’m so glad I’ve finally gotten old and jaded enuff to quit hoping for positive change, though I enjoy supporting the McKinney et al b/c it pisses people off so much. Gotta cling to the little rebellions.

So glad I have tons of cable channels so I can avoid having a life.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

24 – RFLMAO.

or, as Armando/Fernando/Democratdickhead would have typed …

*** heh ***

32. marisacat - 19 September 2008

LOL From his Gladiatorial post below Foodie post…

I suppose this is all bad for my retirment account, but damned if I’m not enjoying it. Watching market apologists who believe that the storm is going to blow over and the ship right itself sometime in the next forty-odd days get swept overboard, food for crabs, is going to be even better. I caught a brief snippet of Kudlow the other day and thought to myself, Now there is a man with blood in his stool. At this point, these motherfuckers better hope the Large Hadron Collider swallows the fucking world. It’s their only hope

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

One thing I learned, back when I cooked, was that there was no “right” way to do it nad that following lists and instructions blindly was the opposite of “cooking”. You learn how certain ingredients behave, you learn what spices go together, you learn how long some things take to cook, and then you play, you create, you enjoy the interplay of flavor and chance. There is no “right” way to do it.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

33 – Agree!

32 – LOL plus wheeze-and-hack from recent cold!

I caught a brief snippet of Kudlow the other day and thought to myself, Now there is a man with blood in his stool.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2008

32 – I shouldn’t, but I hope Kudlow has a major brain infarction.

36. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

BTW – I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHY ANYONE SUBJECTS THEMSELVES TO SULLY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM! THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS and that’s a long time to refrain from feeding the frenzies of THAT beast!

Sorry. Hairball.

Elderly cat went back to traveling family members today. I haven’t vacuumed yet.

37. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

Is that a wind turbine on there?

Looks like a weather vane.

35. I hope Kudlow has a major brain infarction

Are you sure he hasn’t already had one?

38. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

Speaking of weathervanes: Quebec legislature bans word ‘weathervane’

Speaker says its hurtful and a slur after Charest called Dumont a weathervane one too many times

lol…those wacky French people.

Oh, wait.

39. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

That’s a helluva vain vane, if it’s just pointing out the fucking direction. (Hard time believing something that big is wasting power for farming myopics.)

Tell me I’m wrong, if you’ll pardon my unparliamentary language, wacky French-Canadian person!

40. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Next they’ll say Don Quixote is a slur!

Oh, wait.

41. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Bad ital end tag – sorry!

Another item to add to the waterscape list above – how could I forget?

Oil slicks.

42. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

I’ve seen old wooden towers around here with weather vanes like that. Here’s a pic I found.

43. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

But mcat’s pic does look like the old windmills too so who knows?

44. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

42 and especially 43 – Cool, thanks!

Psst … Don Quixote is a slut! Pass it on.

45. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008

44. Don Quixote is a slut! Pass it on.

lol…I’ll be sure to post it on Teh Blog.

46. Intermittent Bystander - 19 September 2008

Anuther newgrass yootube, and good night.

Crooked Still, Ain’t No Grave..

47. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2008
48. marisacat - 20 September 2008


well I have to say I have used Sully as comic relief, this past year or so…. but thinking back to when he ws a young editor-in-chief, or whatever teh title was for most senior editor, at The New Republic, in the ’92 run when he was 25 or so, what I have always thought of Sully ws that he wore youth, and only youth, well.

So many readers, from every political corner, wrote to tell him to chill on Hillary, for whom he fostered the same festering obsession as he has with SP. I don’t object to the attacks per se, it’s a rough world, step into the politcial arena and, well, whoops!, but the massive ‘flooding the zone’ with hatred is something that inevitably people will remark on…


In general:

Considering that we are drowning… and as I write there is a controlled (meaning, not between her legs) hour ongoing on KGO on The Issue Of Sarah Palin (mostly that she must cooperate with Trooper Gate), by a host who is a friend of Biden, LOL… well…

Where is the dissection of the generalised but common and familiar venality of Joe Biden? LOL Not around. A trickle, but protected as a long serving US Senator. I amuse myslef with Tapper’s series on Joe B running his mouth off daily… suppose that was on every evening news? Polls would drop. It is just too unhinged.

The bottom line is then that all these sorts of discussions dissolve into strangled defenses of Ob and his experience (which also does not matter, the ship is taking on water too fast! LOL). Over and over I hear it described as The Same As JFK… so I went and looked, I could not remember what the particulars were…

Kennedy represented the state of Massachusetts in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1947 to 1953 as a Democrat, and in the U.S. Senate from 1953 until 1960

.. from wikipedia

Probably the high pioint in that argument (the same experience as JFK) was a black host last Saturday am who along the way screamed “and black men have big dicks”

Well OK! Glad you are happy! But, who cares?

I lvoe the idea that I should somehow save myself (by getting in line) and pick sides in this very fucked run. And thereby, Save America or Take the Country Back!! Defend the Constitution!! Protect Roe!!!!!! or whatever the scrabble letter spill of the day is.

49. NYCO - 20 September 2008

Ditto on Kevin Phillips. He reminds me of a lot of the old skool (pre Falwell) Republicans from my area. Often talking a lot of sense, if you can overlook the pesky Republicanisms (like pretending everyone’s naturally on the same playing field).

KP sez, My feeling is that they’re coming in halfway and they’re going to have to make hard decisions that are going to eat the Democratic coalition like a bologna sandwich. They’re going to start civil wars-

Which is exactly what I’ve been saying about the highly vulnerable and hence illusory nature of the “Obama Coalition.” It’s a nothingburger of good (if vague) feeling that will fall apart as soon as the rich Dems keep getting richer and the poor poorer. The “middle class” cannot help; they cannot help anything; you cannot solve a yawning wealth gap (difference between rich and poor) by pouring money into the middle of them (middle class) without addressing the underlying structural problems.

50. marisacat - 20 September 2008

They’re going to start civil wars-

And I intend to enjoy them… considering all the extravagant claims that have been made of unity and healing and hogwash dressed as policy and promises…. And whatever else.

I am already enjoying the religionist battle for a shifting power grab. Talk about standing on sand

51. marisacat - 20 September 2008


Oh yes I so want to vote for Ob to protect Roe (or vote McC to return it to the states) so we can fail in Afghanistan. It all makes so much sense.

[A]nd Obama and McCain really think they’re going to win in Afghanistan – before, I suppose, rushing their soldiers back to Iraq when the Baghdad government collapses. What the British couldn’t do in the 19th century and what the Russians couldn’t do at the end of the 20th century, we’re going to achieve at the start of the 21 century, taking our terrible war into nuclear-armed Pakistan just for good measure. Fantasy again.

Joseph Conrad, who understood the powerlessness of powerful nations, would surely have made something of this. Yes, we have lost after we won in Afghanistan and now we will lose as we try to win again. Stuff happens.

52. marisacat - 20 September 2008



[O]bama said in an interview to run in gay publications Thursday that he wants to work with military leaders to build a consensus on removing the ban on openly gay service members in the armed forces. He said that wouldn’t be accomplished by attaching a signing statement to a military spending bill, a process that President Bush has used to set other military policies.

“I want to make sure that when we revert ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ it’s gone through a process and we’ve built a consensus or at least a clarity of what my expectations are so that it works. My first obligation as the president is to make sure that I keep the American people safe and that our military is functioning effectively,” Obama said. “Although I have consistently said I would repeal ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ I believe that the way to do it is make sure that we are working through a process, getting the Joint Chiefs of Staff clear in terms of what our priorities are going to be.” ::snip snappy::

Oh remind me of the months of photo ops with Nunn and Warner of VA huddled in bunk beds to show how close a [cooties!] gay man might be to a straight [as an arrow from God] man. When Bill decided to seek consensus.

53. marisacat - 20 September 2008

LOL I see Rangel called Palin “disabled”… how did i miss that one?

How’s that vacation rental property coming Rangel, and the IRS, to say nothing of disclosure issues. I t would be intresting to know just who it is that is after Charlie. There are so many suspects.

54. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Here is the incident, via Mike Allen Politico email. I have to say I am entertained to watch the Dems run like three blind mice from a less than fully qualified candidate. But of couorse that would nto apply to Sibelius or to Kaine. LOL

OP TALKER – AP’s Devlin Barrett:

‘Rangel calls Palin ‘disabled’: ‘Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., already in trouble for tax problems, called Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin ‘disabled’ on Friday, and then quickly retreated and said he misspoke, saying he meant ‘disadvantaged.’ Asked during an interview with New York’s WCBS-2 television why Democrats seem afraid of Palin’s popularity, Rangel replied: ‘You got to be kind to the disabled.’ The reporter [the legendary Marcia Kramer] repeated the phrase. ‘Yes,’ replied Rangel and then added, ‘There’s no question about it. Politically it’s a nightmare to think that a person’s foreign policy is based on their ability to look at Russia from where they live.’ Soon after the interview aired, Rangel said in a statement that he meant to say ‘disadvantaged.’

55. marisacat - 20 September 2008


ABC’s ‘This Week’ – Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson; Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.; Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio.

CBS’ ‘Face the Nation’ – Paulson; Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.; Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.

NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ – Paulson; New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

CNN’s ‘Late Edition’ – Douglas Holtz Eakin, adviser to John McCain; former Rep. Rob Portman, R-Ohio.

‘Fox News Sunday’ – Paulson; Sens. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.; Bonnie McElveen-Hunter, chair of the American Red Cross

56. Intermittent Bystander - 20 September 2008

48 – No offense to the Sully-watch-point-and-laughers out there!

All-cap howl was just my little contribution to the seemingly endless sirocco of Sullivan-reactive wind power over the years. I remember gnashing my teeth daily at the unearned air-and-energy Andy the Bear was collegially/adversarily granted by so many of the BBB boys (esp. kos and Atrios) way way back in the infancy (no guff!) of blogtime.

Madman at #90, last thread – LOL!

Happy Saturday, all!

57. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

I focus on Sully because he’s a prime example of the nasty misogyny percolating amongst the fratboys. He’s also, in spite of the Oxford schooling he likes to brag about, not very well-educated, and not a very good writer. He’s a poseur, and a ludicrous one at that.

I laughed the other day when he linked to an article saying that Geo. Washington’s Farewell Address contained some valuable advice regarding modern foreign policy. Sully seemed to think this was a brilliant new thought. Dear boy, pick up the clue phone, conservatives in this country have been saying that for 200 years now. (It’s actually one of the few points on which I agree with them.)

58. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

And now to lighten the vibration a bit, a Saturday morning musical interlude: Hopkinson Smith plays Bach

I love the lute, and Smith has the sexiest hands. Lovely.

59. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Many people are feared dead after a powerful blast destroyed the Marriott Hotel in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

moving right along… and I see that Mbeki in SA was persuaded to step down.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

59 – Don’t worry, I’m sure a couple of SEAL teams and a few guided missiles and smart bombs will clean that right up.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008
62. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

so I’m reading the letters sent into the NY Times in response to the piece about the Supreme Court and foreign law, and find this:

To the Editor:

Those of us concerned about citation of foreign law — your article quotes me as one of them — believe in something called American exceptionalism, which holds that the United States is a beacon of liberty, democracy and equality of opportunity to the rest of the world. We think that it is a good thing that constitutional liberties like freedom of speech and of the press are protected more vigorously in the United States than in any foreign country.

We believe that the rights of man, as President Kennedy said in his Inaugural Address, “come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.”

The country that saved Europe from tyranny and destruction in the 20th century and that is now saving it again from the threat of terrorist extremism and Russian tyranny needs no lessons from the socialist constitutional courts of Europe on what liberty consists of.

Steven G. Calabresi
Providence, R.I., Sept.

18, 2008

The writer is a professor of law at Northwestern University and a co-founder of the Federalist Society.

who ARE these people?

63. marisacat - 20 September 2008

hmm American Exceptionalism. If that is not a near dead and bleeding fish flopping all over teh dock in some extended death spiral, then I don’t know what is …

Good luck Counselor Calabresi.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

I find it funny that fascists argue for their fascism with the claim that our nation saved Europe from fascism.

the mind, it reels.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

here, have some Obamite ipecac:

This is what I want for our country, more than anything. I want a leader who can love us. This is not what we usually say, or think of, when we are trying to choose a leader. People like to talk about “experience” and war and the economy, and making Americans look good again. I care about all these things. But when the lights are out and I’m left with just the stars in a super-dark sky, and I feel the new intense chill that seems to be the underbreath of even the hottest day, when I know that global warming may send our planet into a deep freeze even before my remaining years run out, then I think about what it is that truly matters to me. Not just as a human, but as an American.

I want a leader who can love us. And, truthfully, by our collective behaviour, we have made it hard to demand this. We are as we are, imperfect to the max, racist and sexist and greedy above all; still, I feel we deserve leaders who love us. We will not survive more of what we have had: leaders who love nothing, not even themselves. We know they don’t love themselves because if they did they would feel compassion for us, so often lost, floundering, reeling from one bad thought, one horrid act to another. Killing, under order, folks we don’t know; abusing children of whose existence we hadn’t heard; maiming and murdering animals that have done us no harm.

I would say that, in my lifetime, it was only the Kennedys, in national leadership, who seemed even to know what compassion meant; certainly John, and then Bobby, were unafraid to grow an informed and open heart. (After he left the White House, President Carter blossomed into a sheltering tree of peace, quite admirably.) I was a student at a segregated college in Georgia when John Kennedy was assassinated. His was a moral voice, a voice of someone who had suffered; someone who, when looking at us in the south, so vulnerable, so poor, so outnumbered by the violent racists surrounding us, could join his suffering with ours. The rocking chair in which he sat reminded us that he was somehow like us: feeling pain on a daily basis and living a full-tilt life in spite of it. And Bobby Kennedy, whom a mentor of mine, Marian Wright (later Edelman), brought to Mississippi years later. He had not believed there were starving children in the United States. Wright took him to visit the delta. Kneeling before these hungry children in the Mississippi dirt and heat, he wept. We were so happy to have those tears. Never before had we witnessed compassion in anyone sent out to lead us.

Personally, I’d settle for a leader who wasn’t a two-faced lying piece of shit.

66. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

62. The country that saved Europe from tyranny and destruction in the 20th century

Nice of him to mention Canada.

67. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

I think this is an important news story for those afflicted: Acetaminophen Linked to Childhood Asthma. We have one of the highest incidents of asthma in the country here in Calgary and no one’s been able to figure out why so far.

68. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

65. Personally, I’d settle for a leader who wasn’t a two-faced lying piece of shit.


I want a leader who can love us.

Get thee to therapy. Stat.

69. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008
70. marisacat - 20 September 2008

people have gone crazy. I have thought for years there is a ton of self hypnosis going on. People have constantly zoned out, walking catatonics drifting by the Really Big Stuff…

The party held up Obama, swung him slowly like a gold disk before a bewildered, partisan, but hardly small “d”, Democratic electorate and whammo! He is the beloved. Who should love us.

Waking up is going to be tough. Or watching the blank looks, the drop in energy, the stammering answers and so on, offered out to the masses , officially, as el heife.. In what is going to be a massive bloodletting…

71. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Lordy that was Alice Walker. I followed the ipecac link. Well she si right up there with Gloria Steinem, whose LA times Op piece i posted… she exhorts teh hapless wimmens to vote for ObBi as they do understand about the the home. And issues of the home. And men at home.

And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can’t be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

This could be huge.

Glad I was never sold on this bunch.

BTW, the unhappy looking duo, Mrs B and Mrs O, lobbed that bullshit (how much their men know about women) on GMA Friday (I posted a link to the vid, it is at ABC/GMA). And Mrs O seriously misstated Family Medical Leave Act. Unless you can now use it for “quality time” with the children, such as, I am not kidding, taking time off to sew the Hallowe’en costumes… FMLA, which the poor Dems are still running on 17 years later. CA is one of the states (I assume we were not the only one) where it was incubated.

Fuck these lame-os.

72. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

asthma in moderation

73. marisacat - 20 September 2008

War News:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:


74. marisacat - 20 September 2008


rescued from Spam File… it’s a few up thread… about 5 or so… 😉

75. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008


76. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Well, this is comforting, isn’t it?

A copy of the draft legislation shows it would give the government broad power to buy the bad debt of any U.S. financial institutions for the next two years.

It also would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion, making room for the massive rescue.

The proposal does not specify what the government would get in return from financial companies for the federal help.

Didn’t this whole mess start with unsecured loans to begin with?

77. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Put up a big shield against the wind, the shit is gonna fly…

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd promised that the emergency financial legislation aimed at saving the economy would not become a “Christmas tree” lit up with expensive legislative ornaments.

But in the same breath, Dodd insisted that he would try to dangle a measure to prevent housing foreclosures from the bill.

And therein lies the problem.

Congress is moving with unusual alacrity to give the Treasury unprecedented powers over the nation’s financial infrastructure. But lawmakers being lawmakers, they can’t seem to resist trying to use this emergency as an opportunity to piggyback on a must-pass bill.

Publicly, Democrats and Republicans have vowed to draft and pass a clean, bipartisan bill that simply allows the Treasury Department to stop the bleeding on Wall Street.

But with the Banking Committee as the nexus of power for emergency legislation being written this weekend, Democrats are mulling over just how much they can demand in the economic package without looking like they’re exploiting the situation.

“We’ve got to deal with the foreclosure issue,” Dodd said. “This plan must include that.”

But that’s just a start. ::snip:


78. NYCO - 20 September 2008

Our elected leaders and our democratic system are completely inadequate to deal with what is happening to us. We are this very weekend in the process of turning into a naked kleptocracy. I refuse to waste one more iota of my energy worrying about which puppet gets into the White House this fall. Time to keep the powder dry.

79. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Somebody kindly dropped me a graf from Boober’s FP lst night… he is doing just as Kevin Phillips says teh Dems will do

Deep Thought

by BooMan
Fri Sep 19th, 2008 at 02:05:47 PM EST

Come November, I’m ready to party like it’s 1932. We’re in big trouble, my friends, and we’re going to need Barack Obama to be a regular FDR. Personally, I don’t think we’ve had a decent president since Eisenhower, although Kennedy might have turned it around if given a chance. Obama is, without question in my mind, the best potential president we’ve had since Kennedy. If we screw this election up, turn out the lights.

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But will Obama love The Boober? That is the question, from none other than Alice Walker…

80. NYCO - 20 September 2008

Obama is such a cold fish, I very much doubt he is going to sprout milk-laden breasts the way Bill Clinton did on that old Saturday Night Live skit about him “feeling our pain.”

Enough of the search for the National Daddy, or National Mommy, or whoever the fuck. It’s time to be men and women — ADULTS. Love yourself. Stop being a squalling child. I cannot believe Alice Walker wrote that bullshit.

81. marisacat - 20 September 2008

I can’t decide if it was as nutty, or nuttier than what … oh forgt her name, the author of Beloved, than what she wrote… Toni Morrison, got it!

I should fish that up. There has been a cavalcade of really really bad writing for Ob.

82. NYCO - 20 September 2008

And I must rant some more, in my usual postscript fashion:

I am so sick to death of certain members of the Baby Boomer generation or whoever it is who are so incredibly besotted, besotted, with past icons. Remember them, honor them, but for God’s sake, stop looking for their fucking reincarnations. They are so busy looking for the Second Coming that they are losing control of their own present.

FDR is not coming. We’re on our own.

83. NYCO - 20 September 2008

Final rant for the afternoon:


Policy makers cannot say where it all ends. News reports are unrelentingly talking of “crisis.” After decades of deregulation and free-market fealty, antiregulation, small-government Republicans are putting the government in control of a big chunk of the financial sector.

All of which has left Washington in the midst of a political convulsion that both parties are struggling to understand and turn to their advantage — or at least keep from turning against them.

The capital almost had the feel of wartime…

Wow, it feels like wartime? Good thing we’re not REALLY IN AN ACTUAL FUCKING WAR in Iraq or Afghanistan or anything!!!!

84. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008
85. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Toni Morrison Open Letter to Barack Obama, Jan 28 2008

hmm pretty out here, but think AW beat her…

[W]hen, I wondered, was the last time this country was guided by such a leader? Someone whose moral center was un-embargoed? Someone with courage instead of mere ambition? Someone who truly thinks of his country’s citizens as “we,” not “they”? Someone who understands what it will take to help America realize the virtues it fancies about itself, what it desperately needs to become in the world?

Our future is ripe, outrageously rich in its possibilities. Yet unleashing the glory of that future will require a difficult labor, and some may be so frightened of its birth they will refuse to abandon their nostalgia for the womb.

There have been a few prescient leaders in our past, but you are the man for this time.::snip::

86. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Alice walker’s been blathering on about Obamalama for months:

When I have supported white people, it was because I thought them the best to do the job. If Obama were in any sense mediocre, he would be forgotten by now. He is, in fact, a remarkable human being, not perfect but humanly stunning, like King was and like Mandela is. He is the change America has been trying desperately and for centuries to hide, ignore, kill. The change it must have if we are to convince the rest of the world that we care about people other than our (white) selves.
It is hard to relate what it feels like to see Mrs Clinton (I wish she felt self-assured enough to use her own name) referred to as “a woman” while Barack Obama is always referred to as “a black man”. One would think she is just any woman, but she is not. She carries all the history of white womanhood in the US in her person; it would be a miracle if we, and the world, did not react to this fact. How dishonest it is, to try to make her innocent of her racial inheritance.

I can easily imagine Obama sitting down and talking to any leader – or any person – in the world, with no baggage of past servitude or race supremacy to mar their talks. I cannot see the same scenario with Clinton, who would drag into 21st-century US leadership the same image of white privilege and distance from others’ lives that has so marred the country’s contacts with the rest of the world. But because Clinton is a woman and may be very good at what she does, many people (some in my own family) originally favoured her. I understand this, almost. It is because there is little memory, apparently, of the foundational inequities that still plague people of colour and poor whites.

Perhaps Ms Walker is unaware of Obama’s willingness to violate the sovereignty of Pakistan – just as Mr White Privileged Bush has done the past few weeks. She doesn’t seem to get the fact that whoever wins carries the US’ baggage – no matter what colour they are. And Obama will gladly keep carrying that with an even heavier hand right into Afghanistan as well.

And no one is speaking out for the poor in this presidential race. It’s all about saving the “middle class”. The poor are, again, invisible – just where most politicians like them to be.

87. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Obama just called McCain “this boy” in a speech he’s giving in Fla.

88. marisacat - 20 September 2008

well gah and more gah. He has inspired really bad devotional writing.

89. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

88. He has inspired really bad devotional writing.

lol – that’s one way to see it!

90. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

78 NYCO We are this very weekend in the process of turning into a naked kleptocracy. I refuse to waste one more iota of my energy worrying about which puppet gets into the White House this fall. Time to keep the powder dry.

I agree. The best bet is to hunker down and try to maintain our own small but precious threads of civilization while the shit hits the fan.

Re: Alice Walker and Toni Morrison’s paeans to Obama: bleah. What twaddle. I’m embarrassed for them.

91. diane - 20 September 2008

Boysenberries,…most of us have at least a tad of kindness and mercy in our hearts when the sun goes down, and we are left by ourselves, tossing and turning asking: why are we here, and what should we do?….it is a most powerful reverberation….despite the goings on…………I guess we need to hold onto that……………………..and realize that if all was rotten in the galaxies…there would be no more tender moments which enrich us in so many unexpected, inexplicable, and soul filling ways……………………….and this post is most certainly not an exoneration of the current haps and political Ceasarian decisions.imposed…it is just a post to give an aye to the belief that there are those among us who are most worthy of our love.and kind acts………………..

92. marisacat - 20 September 2008

hmmm KGO “Money Talk” program is discussng not only Glass Steagall but the repeal of soemthing called the “optic” (phonetic) rule having to do with short selling, done last summer, 2007.

hmm No recall of that at all. Will poke around.

Not that it matters (anymore), but Jeanne Cummings of Politico was talking about some rumblings last summer, again 2007, to do “something” in congress, but that then chair of banking, Dodd, decided to run for pretzeldent and whoof! it all ground to a halt.

Not that chasing after ghosts means much…

93. diane - 20 September 2008

you remind me of a “female” version of a Caesar, “Heather Rose Ryan” perhaps you’re not even a red-headed thirty to forty some “female”…but some bot….something quite chilling in between the lines about you…and it has absolutely nothing to do with “your” last posting above….For one, it has to do with the fact that you have felt so unthreatened by the current goings on as to not only practically reveal enough about yourself to likely find your address (while attacking those who would likely track down your address); but post a smiling pic also (when the majority of human beings aren’t smiling)…Yes there may be those blessed with a divinity that allows them to smile, knowing things will all turn out all right, but I somehow doubt they would freely smile in front of those who actually felt they were actually living in hell.

And, why deny it, your Masonry (talk about the financial world overseeing all those who have control over finances and the judicial system) link (I’m not, never been Catholic, so don’t use that one) brings to my mind a “Feminist” as a member of the Klu Klux Klan.

94. marisacat - 20 September 2008

NOT “optic” but “uptick rule”… originally put in place in 1938 to curb “concentrated short selling” or what was known as “bear raids”… 1938 – 2007 when it was killed.

Supposedly (this is the host of Money Talk/KGO speaking) a very interested party in dumping the uptick rule was the CEO of Lehman’s.

Well big time whoops.

95. AlanSmithee - 20 September 2008

61. Madman in the Marketplace – 20 September 2008

A lot of protesters, the vast majority non-violent antiwar activists, got burned by the cops that day. (The only rioters I saw that day were cops.) Here’s a short clip of SDS marchers lined up against a wall, under arrest after being tear gassed and pepper sprayed.

96. marisacat - 20 September 2008

Thanks Alan………………………….. 😉

97. diane - 20 September 2008

I mean ……after all…all those CFOS from the Big Four who all were required to take their CPA exams in Masonic halls..and expected to donate to the “hand that fed them”………and did…and never blinked an eye at oh so many travesties of justice…because the sight of what they were tricked into believing was “gold” sent them into a rapture are the only ones being “bailed out” by their brethren who took blood oaths (and made quite humiliating testimony and photographs to ride above their fellow human beings)…good thing mercy exists………………..

98. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

95 – but wait, aren’t people in MN supposed to be kind-hearted and pwogwessive?

99. marisacat - 20 September 2008

oh here is a laugh.. Treasury sent over the details of The Bail Out to congress… and it was two pages. The excuse is they want to stay loose.

Mammama mia. A fw months down the road, we crash harder, again. No question…

100. CSTAR - 20 September 2008

99 I don’t think many people are buying it. But that doesn’t mean congress won’t. Cave in a la FISA.

101. marisacat - 20 September 2008


yes ti could b an interesting election, despite the rah rah rallies for both. Probably a lot more topsy turvy days…………….

…. 8)

102. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

99. A $700bn bail out outlined in 2 pages? And just how lengthy is the average loan/mortgage document again? How bizarre.

103. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

101. I really don’t think Obama thought he’d have to fight this hard.

104. CSTAR - 20 September 2008

103 Maybe he thought he just needed to point somewhere and the people would go there.

105. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

104. 🙂 Well put.

106. CSTAR - 20 September 2008

Reading the responses to the proposed bailout and (professional, supposedly) opinions at blogs calculatedrisk, RGE monitor, Paul Krugman, etc I get the sense that nobody has a clue what will work.

I think disaster may have been averted..for a week.

Good luck to us all.

107. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Carrying on with the JC Superstar theme, this song often pops into my mind when I read gushing prose about Obama: I Don’t Know How To Love Him

108. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

Bush Administration Loses Major Case of Transgender Discrimination at Library of Congress

The decision was handed down by U.S. District Court Judge James Robinson who held: “The evidence established that the Library was enthusiastic about hiring David Schroer — until she disclosed her transsexuality. The Library revoked the offer when it learned that a man named David intended to become, legally, culturally and physically, a woman named Diane. This was discrimination ‘because of … sex.’ “

Schroer asked her future boss to lunch to disclose her plans for the operation. The next day, the job was rescinded.

109. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

106. Afaik, the overall theme is Send Money Now!.

110. lucid - 20 September 2008

Completely OT. Has anyone seen the movie ‘Old Joy’? I just found out today that my namesake character in the film is actually based on me. One of my best friends from college wrote the short story and adapted it for the screen… I have to watch this movie. From what I’ve heard, the Will Oldham character is uncanny in his likeness to my speech and gesticulations.

Bizarre as hell.

111. AlanSmithee - 20 September 2008

98. Madman in the Marketplace – 20 September 2008

The ones who got pepper sprayed and clubbed, whose were the kind-hearted ones.

112. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

93, diane: no, in fact, I am a female version of Asterix. But taller and without a moustache.

113. CSTAR - 20 September 2008

This is just utterly unbelievable… There’s a lot of discussion going on the bailout plan now, but it’s clear that the taxpayer is committed to buying trash at who-knows-what prices. Just one example commentaryNY Times Peter Goodman

But significant skepticism confronts the plan. Under a proposal circulating Saturday, the Treasury could spend as much as $700 billion to buy mortgage-linked investments, then sell what it can as it works out the messy details of the loans. But no one really knows what this cosmically complex web of finance will be worth, making the final price tag for the taxpayer unknowable. One may just as well try to predict the weather three years from Tuesday.

WTF?? These wall street guys that made up and market these instruments should be imprisoned. If there ever was a clear-cut case of terrorism, there you have it.

What’s likely going to happen of course, is that our likely next president dear old Obama will say “we have to move on and look to the future”.

114. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

CNN is hosting a forum tonite with several past ghosts: Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright, Warren Christopher etc.


Alternative programming: Jesus on the ceiling

115. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

110. Cool. Congratulations! I’ll add that one to my list.

116. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Jesus in in spam. heh™

117. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Has science determined yet whether Kissinger is actually human?

118. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

110 – hey lucid, that’s amazing! What a hoot! I haven’t heard of the movie but will check it out.

My high school biology teacher claimed to have been in the same Dartmouth frat as the guy who wrote Animal House, and said he recognized various characters as people he knew. He never told us if he appeared in it anywhere. He was a low-key, mild-mannered guy so I can’t imagine which one he would have been.

119. lucid - 20 September 2008

I’m watching it now online… kind of an intellectual challenged me, but the personality is pretty close… kind of bizarre to see how others write you.

120. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

I love Oldham’s Bonnie Prince Billie stuff.

121. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

Alrighty. I’m watching the CNN forum ‘The Next President’ with former secs of state and I’m wondering if I heard this right. The topic was what to do about Iran and whether to negotiate. James Baker’s idea of negotiating was calling up someone there and telling them that if they aim a nuke at Israel or the US, there’ll be retaliation. Kissinger is in favour of negotiating without preconditions. (?) I’ll definitely have to check the transcript once it’s up.

122. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

119 – I liked him in Matewan, when he was a young kid actor. I saw him, as Bonnie Prince Billie, open for Dirty Three and he was kind of, well, not all there. Maybe it was a bad night. Anyway opening for Dirty Three would be tough.

123. lucid - 20 September 2008

I also find it intriguing that the filmmaker says in her statement that it is a film that is metaphorically about the ineffectualness of the left… hmm…

124. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 September 2008

122 – so you’re basically representing the post-modern dirty hippie?

125. lucid - 20 September 2008

123 – apparently.

126. lucid - 20 September 2008

And to be honest, when Jon and I were close, that’s really kinda what I was. The most bizarre thing about this is that I am such a completely different person now than I was when I was 21. Seeing a version of that former self on the screen is totally weird.

127. lucid - 20 September 2008

of course the most hilarious thing is that I am now so anti-pastoral, yet the whole film is also a meditation on the pastoral.

128. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008
129. lucid - 20 September 2008

There is one scene that really nails me… It’s kind of profound in a way that Jon portrayed it. I have always had an overarching sense of guilt about every little thing in my life – from conversations to random interactions with strangers, to the way in which I’ve treated my friends. And in a scene at the hot springs, my character goes into a monologue about dealing with the guilt of almost running into an older gentleman on his bike, which was completely not his fault… wow. I never knew Jon was so in my head.

Alas, my last phone number for him is no more. Gotta track him down.

The other funny thing is that apparently among our wider circle of friends, with whom I’ve not been in contact for a while, knew about this movie… No one ever bothered to tell me. The friend I spoke with today who told me about it had been asked a year ago by some other friends ‘Did you see the movie about Kurt and Mark?’… bizarro all around.

130. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

128 – how did you eventually find out about it?

If I were going to write an old friend of mine into a movie, I would let him or her know about it.

131. diane - 20 September 2008


Thanks for that link catnip…so right you are: just two pages? when rental leases for one person, not obligating an entire country along with themselves, can run to seven pages…….

From the text, the following :

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by

any court of law or any administrative agency.

So much for those pesky checks and balances………….

132. diane - 20 September 2008

oops forgot about the pesky italics demands of wordpress:

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

133. Heather-Rose Ryan - 20 September 2008

Now we are getting somewhere – the newest criticism of Palin is that she is “quasi-Socialist” and believes in the “commons”. Sully quotes a reader:

I think you will find that while she espouses the free market, she has adopted a quasi-socialist and populist belief in the commons. One of her champions is former Gov. Walter Hickel, who has argued that commonly owned resources should be developed for the maximum benefit of the people — and that this system of economic organization represents a new paradigm for states and nations.


134. lucid - 20 September 2008

129 – a phone call today. Last night I was drunk and lonely, and started going through my phone list of people I’d like to talk to. I called about 5 people at 3 in the morning, one of them was a dear friend I hadn’t seen in 4 years. She called me back today – on the road to the My Bloody Valentine show that’s coming to NYC on Monday [I have tix for Tuesday] and out of the blue told me ‘I just saw that movie about you and Mark’. To which I responded ????? She was amazed I didn’t know and even pulled over on the highway to explain it to me. Funny, funny… but we’re getting a drink next week.

135. diane - 20 September 2008

Glenn Greenwald has a piece on the ‘bailout’ that’s well worth the read (had to snip much of it due to the length): The complete (though ever-changing) elite consensus over the financial collapse

What is more intrinsically corrupt than allowing people to engage in high-reward/no-risk capitalism — where they reap tens of millions of dollars and more every year while their reckless gambles are paying off only to then have the Government shift their losses to the citizenry at large once their schemes collapse? We’ve retroactively created a win-only system where the wealthiest corporations and their shareholders are free to gamble for as long as they win and then force others who have no upside to pay for their losses. Watching Wall St. erupt with an orgy of celebration on Friday after it became clear the Government (i.e., you) would pay for their disaster was literally nauseating, as the very people who wreaked this havoc are now being rewarded.

More amazingly, they’re free to walk away without having to disgorge their gains; at worst, they’re just “forced” to walk away without any further stake in the gamble. How can these bailouts not at least be categorically conditioned on the disgorgement of ill-gotten gains from those who are responsible? The mere fact that shareholders might lose their stake going forward doesn’t resolve that concern; why should those who so fantastically profited from these schemes they couldn’t support walk away with their gains? This is “redistribution of wealth” and “government takeover of industry” on the grandest scale imaginable — the buzzphrases that have been thrown around for decades to represent all that is evil and bad in the world. That’s all this is; it’s not an “investment” by the Government in any real sense but just a magical transfer of losses away from those who are responsible for these losses to those who aren’t.


What’s most vital to underscore is that the beneficiaries of this week’s extraordinary Government schemes aren’t just the coincidental recipients of largesse due to some random stroke of good luck. The people on whose behalf these schemes are being implemented — the true beneficiaries — are the very same people who have been running and owning our Government — both parties — for decades, which is why they have been able to do what they’ve been doing without interference.They were able to gamble without limit because they control the Government, and now they’re having others bear the brunt of their collapse for the same reason — because the Government is largely run for their benefit.


Third, what’s probably most amazing of all is the contrast between how gargantuan all of this is and the complete absence of debate or disagreement over what’s taking place. It’s not just that, as usual, Democrats and Republicans are embracing the same core premises (“this is regrettable but necessary”). It’s that there’s almost no real discussion of what happened, who is responsible, and what the consequences are. It’s basically as though the elite class is getting together and discussing this all in whispers, coordinating their views, and releasing just enough information to keep the stupid masses content and calm.

Can anyone point to any discussion of what the implications are for having the Federal Government seize control of the largest and most powerful insurance company in the country, as well as virtually the entire mortgage industry and other key swaths of financial services? Haven’t we heard all these years that national health care was an extremely risky and dangerous undertaking because of what happens when the Federal Government gets too involved in an industry? What happened in the last month dwarfs all of that by many magnitudes.

The Treasury Secretary is dictating to these companies how they should be run and who should run them. The Federal Government now controls what were — up until last month — vast private assets. These are extreme — truly radical — changes to how our society functions. Does anyone have any disagreement with any of it or is anyone alarmed by what the consequences are — not the economic consequences but the consequences of so radically changing how things function so fundamentally and so quickly?


But there’s virtually no discussion of that in America’s dominant media outlets. All one hears is that everything that is happening is necessary to save us all from economic doom. And what’s most amazing about that is that the Natural, Unchallenged Consensus That Nobody Questions can shift drastically in a matter of days and still nobody questions anything. …


Put another way, this authorizes Hank Paulson to transfer $700 billion of taxpayer money to private industry in his sole discretion, and nobody has the right or ability to review or challenge any decision he makes.”

136. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

134. Oh shush and just Send money now! to Obamalama (while you still have some change left in your pocket).

137. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

134. And the reason nobody’s talking about it in those terms is because anyone who has been has been deemed a conspiracy-mongering radical commie. How’s that status quo thing working for you?

138. diane - 20 September 2008

No cheesecake for you Madam!

139. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

From factcheck.org:

Obama’s Social Security Whopper

September 20, 2008

He tells Social Security recipients their money would now be in the stock market under McCain’s plan. False.


In Daytona Beach, Obama said that “if my opponent had his way, the millions of Floridians who rely on it would’ve had their Social Security tied up in the stock market this week.” He referred to “elderly women” at risk of poverty, and said families would be scrambling to support “grandmothers and grandfathers.”

That’s not true. The plan proposed by President Bush and supported by McCain in 2005 would not have allowed anyone born before 1950 to invest any part of their Social Security taxes in private accounts. All current retirees would be covered by the same benefits they are now.

Obama would have been correct to say that many workers under age 58 would have had some portion of their Social Security benefits affected by the current market turmoil – if they had chosen to participate. And market drops would be a worry for those who retire in future decades. But current retirees would not have been affected.

140. diane - 20 September 2008

I know, I should be ashamed of my unpatriotic whining and give unselfishly to my savior politicians.

141. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

137. No cheesecake for you Madam!


The financial nuclear winter is dawning.

Speaking of mass panic.

142. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

139. This comment from the Globe & Mail seems apropos:

1. Oswaldo I from Canada writes: If we’re the ones we’ve been waiting for, then why do we need him [Obama]?

* Posted 20/09/08 at 9:30 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

143. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

And may I just reiterate what an idiot your president is?

Q Democrats are insisting that the federal bailout package include help for homeowners facing foreclosure, other assistance for middle-class citizens such as possibly expanding the jobless benefits. Is that completely out of the question?

PRESIDENT BUSH: We’re going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly. I called leaders of both chambers, both parties, yesterday to thank them for the initial statements coming out of the meeting that they had with Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke. I found a common understanding of how severe the problem is and how it is necessary to get something done quickly, and I think we will.

President George W. Bush listens as Colombian President Alvaro Uribe speaks to a reporter Saturday, Sept. 20, 2008, during a joint press availability in the Rose Garden at the White House. White House photo by Eric Draper And we’ll continue to work with them. It is essential that the package be robust and strong to address the problem. I know — look, I’m sure there are some of my friends out there saying, I thought this guy was a market guy; what happened to him?

Well, my first instinct wasn’t to lay out a huge government plan. My first instinct was to let the market work until I realized, upon being briefed by the experts, of how significant this problem became.

And so I decided to act and act boldly. It turns out that there’s a lot of interlinks throughout the financial system. The system had grown to a point where a lot of people were dependent upon each other, and that the collapse of one part of the system wouldn’t just affect a part of the financial markets; it would affect the average citizen — and how. Well, it affect their capacity to borrow money to buy a house or to finance a college loan. It affect the ability of a small business to get credit. In other words, the system risk was significant, and it required a significant response, and Congress understands that. And we’ll work to get something done as quickly and as big as possible.

I mean really…what else can you say but Holy fuck?

144. diane - 20 September 2008


Speaking of gasoline, I wonder how natural gas prices will be affected (artificially or otherwise) by the recent hurricanes, with freezing winters around the bend for so many.

145. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008

143. Apparently, Sarah Palin will save you! Not to worry. (And check out McCain checking out her butt in that pic.)

146. diane - 20 September 2008

And may I just reiterate what an idiot your president is

Ya know, I have never found myself able to vocalise that word president and the fucker in the same breath, I don’t think I’ve ever called him that in a conversation with anyone, I have called him the precedent (to disaster)…

Holy fuck indeed

147. liberalcatnip - 20 September 2008
148. diane - 20 September 2008

Pit Bull indeed, it really makes me ill that so many “successful” woman are indeed pit bull like (Fiorina another one), seemingly mimicing the worst traits in their male counterparts, wonder if she’s related to Maggie Thatcher?

<ducks possible rotten tomatoes and ugly epitaphs from avowed feministas)

(And check out McCain checking out her butt in that pic.)

Looks like it gave him a bit of an involuntary tic too.

149. marisacat - 21 September 2008

Sorry for the delay… I literally flopped over and died for several hours…

One of catnip’s out of Spam and one out of Moderation…

Got an email from a friend who lives North of Houston, in an older gated community called The Woodlands, it was not their choice to live there (gated / suburban), on their own they would have lived in one of the older coastal communities but when they were transferred (think it was NorTel her husband was a Director, LOL til that ended), they were told if they bought in The Woodlands and when transferred again, if for any reason RE was depressed, that community was one where the corporation would agree to buy their house … will extract from it (with permission) for the next post…

Anyway, I am awake now for my usual nocturnal wanderings…


150. aemd - 21 September 2008

From Bloomberg;

“The Bush administration sought unchecked power from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets.

Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world’s largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.”

No oversight and “unchecked power”. Yeah, this is gonna work out well. LOL. We are so fucked.

151. marisacat - 21 September 2008

The Czech ambassador died in the Marriot Hotel bombing. Along with a lot of other as yet unnamed people…

152. aemd - 21 September 2008

Buffett’s “time bomb” goes off on Wall Street

“When the credit default market began back in the mid-1990s, the transactions were simpler, more transparent affairs. Not all the sellers were insurance companies like AIG — most were not. But the protection buyer usually knew the protection seller.

As it grew — according to the industry’s trade group, the credit default market grew to $46 trillion by the first half of 2007 from $631 billion in 2000 — all that changed.”

153. marisacat - 21 September 2008

new thread


……… 8) …….

aemd, I moved your two comments forward to the new post… 😉

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