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Night ravings… 21 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


Galveston – September 12 – National Geographic

Speaking at the 2005 Congressional Black Caucus national town hall meeting Sept. 22, Belafonte recalled some of King’s last words to him:

“‘I sit here deeply concerned that I suspect we’re leading our nation on an integration trip that has us integrating into a burning house.’”

Belafonte added, “I don’t think we quite understood how prophetic that remark was.”

Oddly enough it is hard to find Martin’s commentary about the burning house that is America. Tonight, I went to his wikiquotes page, thinking it would be there … No. Twice before I have ended up using an event attended by Belafonte, using his commentary in order to employ the “burning house” quote… and why would Belafonte, a political activist for nearly 60 years and a supporter and confidant of Martin’s, NOT use it.. it is prophetic.

Over the past year I have noticed a few things… none of them surprising, but well worth noting. A few that highlight the broader view:

FOX News invariably runs stories of Kwame, the embattled and criminal mayor of Detroit, near to stories of Obama. No real need for this. One is a failing and now failed city mayor and one is running for the presidency, first as a primary candidate now as the party’s nom. No surprise that a 527 is now running a an ad in the inner burbs outside Detroit, against Obama, using film clips that a politically inexperienced Obama allowed to be, embracing Kwame last year and promising a long working relationship. Oh good luck! Obama will win Detroit, but with shrinking population in the past few years, he has to win inner burbs as well.

Glenn Reynolds/Instapundit, who I accept is widely read, has kept a running commentary on black crime in urban areas with a specific noting of Chicago’s South Side. Lots of tossed off comments, such as “clean it out now”.

Via KGO, the local San Francisco talk radio that is tightly tied to the political machine in the City and the State (few unkind words for Arnold, even in our recent worse-than-ever, turning point budget problems)… increasing and rising highly inflammatory rhetoric w/r/t to stressed and crime ridden areas of Oakland, a neighboring city of Richmond, and East Palo Alto. Occasionally they add in our “crime areas”, Bay View/Hunter’s Point for one. It has come from convenient mouths, one Brian Copeland, a black stand up comic who does political commentary on the radio and Karel, a white gay male. Copeland grew up in the Akron projects with a single mother, Karel grew up poor, with two disabled parents, in mixed race neighborhoods around Long Beach CA.

Comments have been, to “clean out those neighborhoods”, meaning, as their commentary continues, shut the districts down and relocate people against their will, to “move the NG in” (and where are they, I might remind people), to “conduct warrantless searches in the projects for guns”… in our area, people in the projects sign agreements not to have weapons. Which renders a warrant immaterial. I personally consider this unconstitutional, just my opinion, as poor people still pay for these apartments, usually one third of their income, whatever its source, private income, disability or welfare payments.

I am not saying a little white girl in San Francisco knows better, but I am saying that what I am reading and hearing, in conjunction with increased militarism inside America and a contentious run for the presidency, worries hell out of me.

No mention that in all these areas there are substantial numbers of home owners, some of whom have owned their homes for three generations. Eminent domain will be useful is my take. A lot of these older black and/or mixed race, but poorer areas, are close in, just over a bridge or a short freeway drive to a big metropolitan center. Rebuilt for different use, this is much more valuable RE now than it has been…

The problem for a long long time has been the cops don’t want to be bothered to patrol these neighborhoods, much less respond to crime calls and frantic calls for help in combating identified problems.

I think they are happy to delegate to the gangs. What are the police for? Well, might as well chuckle, not for really combating crime. Lately, word is out that Oakland cops are not responding to calls about crime in the prosperous, oftimes wealthy, Oakland hills, quite aside from abandoning the flatlands and poorest areas.

Dellums, the walk-on, take-a-runway-turn, give-a-speech black mayor of Oakland is no help, his first year as mayor he took a sabbatical and went off to study how to mayor. I am not kidding. Recently he installed his wife as a top aide, on the payroll. Run the fucker out of town. People probably would if they were not too busy trying to survive….


September 12, 2008–Sylvia Renteria watches a big wave caused by Hurricane Ike crash into a seawall in Galveston, Texas. [National Geographic]

My own opinion is that the NG is being kept out of America, in the numbers that might be needed for natural disaster as well as whatever else… kept in our foreign wars to die. Problematic as they might be (I am not for willy nilly, knee jerk “send in the NG”), these are still the people drawn from within a state.

In Katrina I read of a story that CNN killed, that Anderson Cooper had pitched and wanted to run with… the NG personnel from either Utah or Idaho (forget which, but it was a very very very white state) were horrified at the treatment of blacks they had seen, with some specific instances, and some spoke with AC… but as I said CNN killed the story.

We all know out here, that Arnold has held talks with Blackwater for disaster assistance. The writing is on the wall. It is just a matter of time before there is some precipitating event that allows use of them.

It won’t be pretty.


I mentioned in the last thread that friend who lives in a community north of Houston, The Woodlands, emailed me…

Houston, apart from the coast is returning to life.

I took the day off yesterday trying to recover from the stress and today, due to work once again, I was at the George Bush Intercontinental Marriot Hotel. It’s so close to the airport they have a tram stop. It’s almost within the terminal area.

I have never seen so much law enforcement. I saw FEMA police. Armed, blue shirts and slacks, and coming by in waves, 5 or 6 at a time every time we were in the lobby. I also saw Department of Homeland Security in droves. I bet I saw 200 Federal cops today, all young and pumped.

I felt like it was 1934 witnessing Ernst Röhm’s SA goostepping. Sitting here now, I almost wish I had died 7 years ago [my friend had an horrific brush with stage 4 cancer, no one expected her to live — Mcat].

This country is so over.

They were all over the place too. I bet I saw at least 200 national law enforcement agents [meaning 200 in one hotel — Mcat]. All over the goddamned place.

What do they need arms for?

Weeks after Katrina, in a news segment showing New Orleanians getting out and trying to regain normalcy (gone forever), I saw families taking children to one of the few diversions available in NO, the reopened Zoo. And I saw cops of one sort or another, wearing camoflage and carrying weapons, big rifles, both outside and inside the zoo. In other words, patrolling the interior of a ZOO, with parents and children trying to get away from horror. I felt for the parents trying to entertain children, but holy god, look at what is on view!

This is long enough… so will stop here… Bottom line is, I think the plan is to put US cities, especially cities with large or significant minority populations, under Federal oversight. On the ground policing from ICE, DEA and DHS cops. I think San Francisco has tried to sidestep this, thru our sanctuary city status, but it has been mismanaged badly and there are broad calls for it to be ended.

We got an early scare – and insight – out here in the SARS panic. Basically the Feds took over SFO in training exercises for what to do in the event of a SARS epidemic. And we ”got it”, the response was not really from a Public Health standpoint, no the response was Federal and it was MILITARY:

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Professor Mike Davis who has written the book, The Monster at Our Door: The Global Threat of Avian Flu. In a recent news conference President Bush held, he said there could be another avian flu epidemic in this country. And he said the military might be needed to enforce quarantines and other emergency measures. Your response, Professor Davis?

MIKE DAVIS: Well, boots on the ground seems to be the administration’s one-stop solution to any problem, mainly because they lack the means or they have dismantled the capacities to act in other ways, as we saw with FEMA during Hurricane Katrina. Some people, very rightly, raised the question, ‘Well, is America going to become one single huge squalid Superdome under martial law if there were an avian flu epidemic?’ And indeed, this whole idea of militarizing response to a pandemic, of relying on the Pentagon and Homeland Security, rather than the Department of Health and Human Services, does raise this whole specter that is essentially a coup d’etát in the name of fighting pandemic.

Public Health was a far far far second. Just as the response to 9/11 needed to be international police action, Interpol, etc., any response to SARS needed to be appropriate response at Customs and Immigration with a Public Health over view.

Not what we saw.

[I said I’d stop, then I rattled on]


aemd added a couple of comments with links at the end of the last thread, which I will add here:

Buffett’s “time bomb” goes off on Wall Street

“When the credit default market began back in the mid-1990s, the transactions were simpler, more transparent affairs. Not all the sellers were insurance companies like AIG — most were not. But the protection buyer usually knew the protection seller.

As it grew — according to the industry’s trade group, the credit default market grew to $46 trillion by the first half of 2007 from $631 billion in 2000 — all that changed.”


From Bloomberg;

“The Bush administration sought unchecked power from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets.

Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world’s largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.”

No oversight and “unchecked power”. Yeah, this is gonna work out well. LOL. We are so fucked.

And I will add, I just read that AIG had insured a full NINETY PERCENT, 90%, of global airline fleets. Free market? LOL



1. marisacat - 21 September 2008

via The Page:

The candidates spend a record $94 million in August, largely on advertising.

Obama: $33 million in advertising, $4.9 million on travel, $2.8 million on payroll.

McCain: $23 million on advertising, $3 million on travel, $1.2 million on payroll.


We will never get free of this horrific long ugly campaign mode, just too much cash flowing from it.

2. marisacat - 21 September 2008

hmm snagged from the Mike Allen Politico email:

THE MAPQUEST FALLOUT — Bloomberg News’ Matthew Benjamin: ‘Unemployment rose last month in the twelve most hotly contested battleground states in the presidential election, including Michigan, Florida and Ohio.’

The Cleveland Plain Dealer, Ohio’s largest newspaper and a partner in the Politico Network:

‘The first Ohio Newspaper Poll, a collaboration among Ohio’s largest daily newspapers, shows Republican Sen. John McCain with a lead over Democrat Sen. Barack Obama … The survey of Buckeye State voters shows McCain with a 6 percentage point lead, but the poll’s margin of error means the race could be much closer. And the potential for change is great: 19 percent say they could change their minds.’

pdf. to the poll

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

I’m increasingly suspicious of the timing of this “bailout”. The collapse of these companies has been looming for some time. SEVERAL economists have been warning about default credit swaps and the other forms of vaporcredit … some of them for months if not years.

So here we are, 6 weeks from a Presidential election, only a week before Congress goes home to campaign, and NOW we have to make a decision, buy our way out of financial disaster, with FUTURE money?

I’ve had salesmen put the hard sale on me, and I know when I see it, and when something that smells fishy is pushed on you as ‘THIS IS A ONE-TIME OPPORTUNITY’, it’s time to walk away.

They are gonna bankrupt everything but the military and law enforcement.

And the donks will help them.

4. marisacat - 21 September 2008

oh I agree, it smells dirty as all hell.

5. marisacat - 21 September 2008

Well I don’t even see the Democrats as some spineless wait staff anymore, bringing round the finger bowls for teh R to wash the blood from their stubby fingers. Oh No.. Full partner in murder and mayhem. Just my view…..

6. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

Good to see that you took time out for a long rest last nite.

7. CSTAR - 21 September 2008

This bailout is really an unbelievable attack on the citizenry. If there wa any “left” left in the US there would be calls for massive demostrations against the bailout. Forget about Palin/McCain. March on Wall street in NYC, march on the financial district in SF. Shit, I can’t believe that people are going to take this lying down. I’m pulling my hairs out in outrage.

8. marisacat - 21 September 2008

… March on Wall street in NYC, march on the financial district in SF. Shit, I can’t believe that people are going to take this lying down….

oh agree. Somebody flip the light switch on the wall.

9. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 September 2008

Well, in my opinion the only way to get through to Americans at this point in history is to interfere with their ability to Buy Things. They are uninterested in matters of principle, philosophy, or politics but if they are suddenly unable to buy their flatscreen TV, iPod, fancy sneakers etc. because they have run out of cash/credit, then all holy hell will break loose.

Fuel and food riots come later.

10. marisacat - 21 September 2008

well I know they say credit is drying up.. or has tightened.. and I am sure it has.. on the other hand… I am getting credit card offers with transfer balance offers of 15 months of 0 interest

hmmm, something hs to give.

It must have been 4 years that I got several calls a day (I let all calls go to the answering machine) offering home loans with 1% introductory offer. I never took it up… but many people surely did..

11. marisacat - 21 September 2008

If you think Henry Paulson’s three-page rewrite of the nation’s financial and governmental systems was vague and open-ended, you might want to check out the responses to his plan from John McCain and Barack Obama.

The presidential candidates are hardly powerless bystanders in the financial crisis — as senators and as leaders of their respective parties, either could have suspended his campaign and headed to Washington to lead his party’s legislative response to the proposal.

Far from that, neither McCain nor Obama has yet to venture so much as a detailed comment on the substance of today’s proposed $700 billion bailout. Instead the candidates are sticking to party-appropriate bromides while waiting to discern the public’s reaction, and also what move their parties’ respective congressional leaders are planning to make.

Saturday was tiptoe time.::snip::


12. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

Exclusive: Foreign banks may get help

In a change from the original proposal sent to Capitol Hill, foreign-based banks with big U.S. operations could qualify for the Treasury Department’s mortgage bailout, according to the fine print of an administration statement Saturday night.

The theory, according to a participant in the negotiations, is that if the goal is to solve a liquidity crisis, it makes no sense to exclude banks that do a lot of lending in the United States.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson confirmed the change on ABC’s “This Week,” telling George Stephanopoulos that coverage of foreign-based banks is “a distinction without a difference to the American people.”

“If a financial institution has business operations in the United States, hires people in the United States, if they are clogged with illiquid assets, they have the same impact on the American people as any other institution,” Paulson said.

“That’s a distinction without a difference to the American people. The key here is protecting the system. … We have a global financial system, and we are talking very aggressively with other countries around the world and encouraging them to do similar things, and I believe a number of them will. But, remember, this is about protecting the American people and protecting the taxpayers. and the American people don’t care who owns the financial institution. If the financial institution in this country has problems, it’ll have the same impact whether it’s the U.S. or foreign.”

The legislative outline that went to Capitol Hill at 1:30 a.m. Saturday had said that an eligible financial institution had to have “its headquarters in the United States.” That would exclude foreign-based institutions with big U.S. operations, such as Barclays, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland and UBS.

But a Treasury “Fact Sheet” released at 7:15 Saturday night sought to give the administration more flexibility, with an expanded definition that could include all of those banks: “Participating financial institutions must have significant operations in the U.S., unless the Secretary makes a determination, in consultation with the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, that broader eligibility is necessary to effectively stabilize financial markets.”

13. marisacat - 21 September 2008

As if a measured and academic response does the trick.

Many of the same economists and opinion-makers who’d provided a bipartisan sheen of consensus to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s previous moves have quickly begun casting doubts on the wisdom of a policy that would allow Treasury to purchase without oversight hundreds of billions of dollars of difficult-to-price assets from financial institutions.

Under the proposal, Paulson would not have to report to Congress until December, and the only safeguard for taxpayers was a provision that the “Secretary shall take into consideration means for — (1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial markets or banking system; and (2) protecting the taxpayer.” [Not even a band-aid! –Mcat]

Skepticism toward the plan reflected more than the predictable desires of the left to spread the wealth to Main Street or of the right to reject government bailouts, although those sentiments were also expressed.

“We need to take a bold move. In that sense I think Paulson is right,” Luigi Zingales, a Professor at the University of Chicago School of Business who wrote a widely circulated short essay titled “Why Paulson is Wrong,” told Politico

President Bush is “asking for a huge amount of power,” said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University who was among the first to predict the crisis. “He’s saying, ‘Trust me, I’m going to do it right if you give me absolute control.’ This is not a monarchy.” (Roubini told the New York Times that despite these concerns, he also thought the plan could help stave off a recession.) ::snip::

UGH! Don’t equivocate. We will have a recession. Anyway! Ugh! Bad Nouriel!

14. CSTAR - 21 September 2008

What a pile of crap– from that Politico link

Obama issued a general statement of support but also expressed sympathy — in the vaguest possible terms

“First, it must be a plan not just for Wall Street, but for Main Street.”

Wall Street. Main Street…. I think I’m moving to Desire Street.

15. marisacat - 21 September 2008

Their rat a tat a tat … today via The Page.

LOL Neither gives a shit of course.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

13 – jeebus, you’ve got to be kidding me.

17. diane - 21 September 2008

Not at all to diminish the enormity of the hell the recent hurricanes have wrought on humans we are not hearing of/from…but I have to say…The National Geographic appears to be having a hell of heyday with altering photos…..To my pea brain….no one with any sense of staying alive, sees a monster wave like that coming and not run further inland…especially if they’re used to walking the beach, and then likely having been tossed around to near drowning point or broken neck/back in one of those monster waves…and then, most certainly…the water…one foot away from that monster wave….would never look so flacid and calm….But then again…National Geo (and some of the creeps employed there, will likely post re that at some point) apparently has an agenda of their own: diminishing human significance and suffering…………….

18. kittensplayingpoker - 21 September 2008

I see this “plan” as having some inherent drawbacks even for the people who stand to profit the most from it (investment banks who made bad choices, and the richest of the rich). This is further destabilizing of trust in the American system. For every two people who breathe a sigh of uninformed relief at the plan, there will be at least one person who will steal away and deleverage themselves, or fail to invest themselves in American interests.

“America” is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. The ranks of disillusioned citizens are getting larger and larger. Now a lot of the investor classes will join them.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

I don’t give this plan a week or two. That’s not to say that it won’t pass, but so many doubts are being raised so quickly that any “confidence building” that might come out of it is going to evaporate very quickly.

I’m no expert, but this increasingly looks like a transitional device to help the wealthiest have a little more time to move their assets before it all collapses.

20. marisacat - 21 September 2008


well a few of the media sites have printed similar photos. I used one days ago, as IKE was moving in, and the waves were high, a man standing jsut a few feet from a 15 ft wave, an absolute wall in front of him, double his height. And most coastal people will say, as a hurricane moves in there is a strong urge to dare it.

21. diane - 21 September 2008

all in the name of “Science”…which is why I hold those who glotify science in question, just as I do fundies whose main concern..is their own ass…and “being saved”…..

22. diane - 21 September 2008

glorify….though glotify seems rather apropos in a second Miller moment…..(yes, and so early in the day)

23. diane - 21 September 2008


I remember that photo marisa..and I thought the same thing about it.

I certainly don’t thing you were deliberately presenting false images, so I’d really like to clarify there.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Mass poll shows Labour wipeout across country

Gordon Brown is set to lead Labour into an election bloodbath so crushing it could take his party a decade to recover, according to the largest ever poll of marginal seats which predicts a landslide victory for David Cameron.

Eight cabinet ministers, including the Home Secretary and the Justice Secretary, would be swept away in the rout as the Tories marched into Downing Street with a majority of 146, says the poll, conducted for PoliticsHome.com and exclusively revealed to The Observer. Seats that have been Labour since the First World War would fall.

The sheer scale of the humiliation is almost as bad as that endured by the Tories in 1997, suggesting it could take Labour a similar time to claw its way back to power. The party would be virtually extinguished in southern England and left with only its hardcore redoubts in northern England, the Welsh valleys and deprived inner-city areas.

The stark findings from the survey of almost 35,000 voters across 238 seats, published on the PoliticsHome website today, are likely to fuel the stalled insurrection against Brown. A third of potential Labour voters in marginal seats would be more likely to back the party if he were replaced.

Intriguingly, the findings also suggest David Miliband’s hopes of leading Labour may depend on him challenging Brown before the election.

While the Foreign Secretary would survive the rout, his power base would be decimated, making it much harder for him to get elected in a party likely to have shifted to the left: cabinet allies James Purnell and John Hutton would have gone, along with senior Blairites Alan Milburn and Charles Clarke. Jacqui Smith, Ruth Kelly, John Denham, Des Browne, Geoff Hoon and Jack Straw are projected to lose their seats. In Scotland, the poll predicts the SNP will win next month’s Glenrothes by-election

25. diane - 21 September 2008

re the bailout

such silence from the Big Four Accounting firms who clearly have been presenting to share buyers un “unqualified opinion” on these disasters….that “unqualified opinion” basically representing that those companies were healthy “going concerns”…..The Big Four have made tons off of that “work”…yeah I know: It’s Hard Work…….

26. diane - 21 September 2008

wish I wasn’t so addle brained to have not remembered who osted it, but someone wrote (paraphrasing) If those investment firms were too large to let collapse, they were also too large to be allowed

anyone know exactly what has happened to “our” (so quaint, that term) Monolopy/Oligarchy laws (the Big Four accounting Firms – certainly not excluded in that sentiment (and certainly, Europe, Asia et al are just as ugly with theirs).

27. diane - 21 September 2008

posted not osted

28. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008
29. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Scary story from the UK:

The Crown alleges that she broke a story in the Citizen about Izale McLeod, star striker for MK Dons. Police arrested him after a party at the Jury’s Inn on Midsummer Boulevard degenerated into a brawl. Her contacts told her later that the police would not press charges. She ran the story and described the relief of the Dons’ assistant manager, Ray Mathias, who said: ‘It is a great boost for the lad.’

If that sounds a petty offence, the Crown goes on to allege that Murrer called Kearney after a local man, Doug Belcher, was killed in a fight. Murrer explained what happened next: ‘That name rings a bell,’ she had said.

‘It ought to because you wrote about him being arrested for supplying cannabis in the Nineties,’ Kearney replied. Murrer dug out her cutting, and put that story in the paper, too.

Finally, the prosecution has a tape of her talking to Kearney about an Islamist the authorities released early from prison, even though he had boasted about becoming a suicide bomber. She didn’t even publish that story. Murrer and Kearney will tell anyone who asks that they once had an affair. With them in the dock will be Derek Webb, a private detective whose clients have included the News of the World

Outsiders struggling to explain why the state is trying to imprison them might assume that the former lovers and Webb formed a ring to sell police secrets. Not to the Milton Keynes Citizen, obviously – the Milton Keynes Citizen doesn’t do cheque-book journalism because it doesn’t have a cheque book – but to Fleet Street.

This explanation makes no more sense than the idea that Sally Murrer is the Mata Hari of the Home Counties, because the police are not alleging that money changed hands.

Kearney certainly had enemies. He is an old-fashioned copper who had been shocked into advising his colleagues that they must all stick to the rules with terrorist suspects. In 2005, he had been ordered to bug conversations between Sadiq Khan, a Labour MP and lawyer, and a terrorist suspect facing extradition to the US on allegations of aiding the Taliban. Kearney was unhappy about spying on an MP, and his superiors knew it.

The charges against Murrer have nothing to do with Khan, but she believes Kearney’s doubts about the bugging explain why the police went wild. Her supposition remains no more than that. But the police are dragging in the suspects’ children. Not only did detectives arrest Kearney, but his son, Harry, a soldier who had risked his life for his country in Afghanistan and Iraq. The young man’s crime was to try to impress a pretty reporter on the Citizen’s rival, the Milton Keynes News, by telling her how a dense copper had lost the keys to the custody cells at the police station. She ran the story, which was all over town anyway.

Thames Valley officers responded in the only way they seem to know how. They raided the News, interrogated the reporter and then arrested Harry Kearney. If they carry on like this, Human Rights Watch will have to open a Buckinghamshire office.

For however ludicrous aspects of the Murrer case may seem, it is a sinister assault on press freedom. I cannot say conclusively why they are prosecuting her, or if she has committed a crime, but I can tell you what her alleged crime is: being a journalist and doing what journalists in free countries do every day.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

meant to add at the bottom of that insert that the biggest thing wrong w/ the “Drug War” and the “War on Terror” here and in the UK is the vast powers that get used by the authorities for petty payback and political games.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Sorry to celebrate worthless science, but this is pretty cool.

32. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

31. Thanks for mentioning Einstein. I forgot to add his quote to my latest post.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008
34. diane - 21 September 2008


Dead on post Nepetia/Catnip…

As a female, if you were Fiorina, Oprah, Palin, Condi, Whitman, Feinstein [sic? who the fuck cares?], Pelosi, et al perhaps folks would be all over it…alas that’s the point ….isn’t it

35. diane - 21 September 2008


Seems pretty cool to me hon.

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

32 – Serendipity my friend, serendipity. We’re on the same wavelength (or packet of probabilities, depending on your frame of reference)!

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Arrrrrr, might good piece Catnip!


38. diane - 21 September 2008

And most coastal people will say, as a hurricane moves in there is a strong urge to dare it.

Just further qualifying because I think it’s important to those who’ve never been trapped in a nasty wave (in person)….

Daring fate is one thing…but when one knows one won’t stand a chance due to prior experience, they’re not going to take on that battle knowing the consequences….of putting their physical body underneath a breaking wave…they might subject their home to it…but they’ll most certainly run from that wave breaking dead on top of them….because they know they almost surely can’t survive that
without severe crippling or death.

39. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

34. Thanks, diane.

Related to your post, mcat – and I know I’ve brought up this book a few times before here – I’m again reminded of the disintegration of real “community” as outlined in sociologist Philip Slater’s early 1970’s book The Pursuit of Loneliness where he took a stark view of suburban life along with the growth of technology that would further isolate us. Mix those ingredients with the so-called American dream of home-ownership (and not just standard-sized homes but houses so large they would gulp up energy resources and huge amounts of personal income) and what we have today is a very disconnected, fear-ridden society that continues to go to extreme lengths to further that isolation as if that’s some sort of cure.

These are the kinds of times where, if we actually still had close-knit communities, we really could rely on our friends and neighbours to see us through. As it is, so many people are struggling to survive that there’s very little will left after that front door closes at nite to reach out to each other in any sort of meaningful way. We’ve pursued our own demise.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

more campaign trivia in this most trivial of campaigns:

When you have seven homes, that’s a lot of garages to fill. After the fuss over the number of residences owned by the two presidential nominees, NEWSWEEK looked into the candidates’ cars. And based on public vehicle-registration records, here’s the score. John and Cindy McCain: 13. Barack and Michelle Obama: one.

One vehicle in the McCain fleet has caused a small flap. United Auto Workers president Ron Gettelfinger, an Obama backer, accused McCain this month of “flip-flopping” on who bought daughter Meghan’s foreign-made Toyota Prius. McCain said last year that he bought it, but then told a Detroit TV station on Sept. 7 that Meghan “bought it, I believe, herself.” (The McCain campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)

Obama’s lone vehicle also is a green machine, a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid. He bought it last year to replace the family’s Chrysler 300C, a Hemi-powered sedan. Obama ditched the 300C, once 50 Cent’s preferred ride, after taking heat for driving a guzzler while haranguing Detroit about building more fuel-efficient cars.

41. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

37. And Arrrrr! to you, matey.

42. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

CNN showed a clip of Biden in Virginia wearing a loose golf shirt and a ball cap. Guess that’s Working Class Joebama in action.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

fat lot of good it will do: Judge orders Cheney to preserve records

44. aemd - 21 September 2008

#28 L’catnip. Very good read. Nice post, matey. 🙂

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008


Washington, D.C. – Ten pro-democracy groups – Open Debates, Common Cause, Fair Vote, Judicial Watch, Democracy Matters, Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting, Rock the Debates, Personal Democracy Forum, Reclaim Democracy, and Essential Information – call on the Commission on Presidential Debates to make public the secret debate contract negotiated by the Obama and McCain campaigns.

Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) of the McCain campaign and Representative Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) of the Obama campaign have negotiated a detailed contract that dictates the terms of the 2008 presidential debates, including who can participate and the structure of the debate formats. The Commission on Presidential Debates, a private corporation created by the Republican and Democratic parties, has agreed to implement the debate contract. In order to shield the major party candidates from criticism, the Commission on Presidential Debates has refused to release the debate contract to the public.

“In denying voters access to critical information about our most important political forums, the Commission on Presidential Debates is more concerned with the partisan interests of the two major party candidates than the democratic interests of the voting public,” said George Farah, Executive Director of Open Debates.

“In a sound democracy, it is vital that voters have full access to information, including the rules that govern influential presidential debates, in order to hold the candidates accountable and to make informed choices,” said Bob Edgar, President of Common Cause.

“The partisan, corporate-funded Commission on Presidential Debates should be replaced with a non-partisan, publicly-funded Citizens’ Debate Commission that will operate transparently and champion the public interest,” said Rob Richie, Executive Director of Fair Vote.

The Commission on Presidential Debates was created by and for the Republican and Democratic parties. In 1986, the Republican and Democratic National Committees ratified an agreement “to take over the presidential debates” from the nonpartisan League of Women Voters. Fifteen months later, then-Republican Party chair Frank Fahrenkopf and then-Democratic Party chair Paul Kirk incorporated the Commission on Presidential Debates. Fahrenkopf and Kirk still co-chair the Commission on Presidential Debates, and every four years it implements and conceals contracts jointly drafted by the Republican and Democratic nominees.

46. marisacat - 21 September 2008


his suburban pirate outfit… LOL………….;)

47. baypraire - 21 September 2008

houston blues

last monday, sitting in a friend’s tiny flat, just off the drag in austin, i read this. its been in the back of my mind ever since.

Hurricane Ike Uproots Graves

Sept. 15: The grave site of blues musician Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown is seen at the Hollywood Cemetery in Orange, Texas. Several vaults and caskets were exposed after Hurricane Ike caused flooding in the area, including Brown’s grave.

vaults and caskets exposed is being thoughtful. the reality is much worse than that. and talk about bad, gatemouth brown had his home in slidell, occupied by him at the time, destroyed by katrina on or about aug. 29, 2005. he was evacuated, still living, to his brother’s house in orange texas. he died there on september 10th 2005. ike disturbed his grave this past saturday a.m.

remembering gatemouth.

Born in Vinton, Louisiana, Brown was raised in Orange, Texas. His professional musical career began in 1945, playing drums in San Antonio, Texas. Tagged with the “Gatemouth” handle by a high school instructor who accused Brown of having a “voice like a gate,” Brown has used it to his advantage throughout his illustrious career.[1] He took note, and his fame took off, during his impromptu fill-in in a 1947 concert by T-Bone Walker in Don Robey’s Bronze Peacock Houston nightclub.[1] When Walker became ill, Brown took up his guitar and played “Gatemouth Boogie,” to the delight of the audience.

this is the peacock club in houston as it appeared in 2003.

“That crest sticking up had a neon peacock that was all lit up at night, and that little entryway, that’s the original entryway to the club. From everything I can tell, the only thing that’s changed about this building is the paint, on the outside at least. [Don Robey] eventually closed the Bronze Peacock and just moved his whole record operation into there. That’s where music was recorded that was important in its own right, but later covered by people like Elvis Presley, the Grateful Dead, Three Dog Night, Stevie Ray Vaughan. ‘Texas Flood’ was first recorded by Fenton Robertson right there. Then if you forget blues and start looking at gospel, this was where the Dixie Hummingbirds were recording even though they lived in Philadelphia. This is where Roy Head cut ‘Treat Her Right.’ It’s amazing.”

gatemouth was the first artist signed to peacock records

In 1947 he (Don Robley) became manager for blues singer Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown, and two years later started Peacock Records, with Brown as his first artist. He found success both with Brown and with other R&B artists, the biggest success coming with “Big Mama” Thornton’s # 1 hit “Hound Dog”. The label also recorded Little Richard at the start of his career.

In 1952, Robey merged his Peacock label with Duke Records of Memphis, and Duke-Peacock was born. Robey took over full ownership of the label the following year. Initially the company’s biggest star was Johnny Ace, but after Ace’s death the gap was filled by other artistes including Junior Parker, Bobby “Blue” Bland, and Johnny Otis. He co-wrote “Farther Up The Road” with Joe Medwich Veasey which was initially a hit for Bobby “Blue” Bland in 1957, and later became a live staple for Eric Clapton.

there’s the memphis-houston blues connection, duke-peacock records.

here’s the little i know about gatemouth brown, based on seeing him play more than a few times, and filtering what i recall seeing, though what i know about guitar technique now.

clarence played using as a base (what to me is) an older traditional acoustic blues guitar technique; open position left hand, blues finger-pick, one/two fingers plus thumb right hand. this is a common technique often used by a lot of the earliest recorded blues musicans prior to the invention of the electric guitar. clarence adapted this older acoustic technique to electric blues guitar in interesting ways, such as utilizing a capo so he could play up the neck in more horn-friendly keys, discarding the on-the-beat alternating bass line common to country blues, and using more of the fretboard above open position, as well as more complex, dissonant, jazzy chords. his guitar, to me, sort of sits just this side of the transition from country acoustic blues styles to urban electric styles. clarence is very much in “the mold” of guitar styles first exemplified by t-bone walker. i assume he studied t-bone from the audience, he certainly stepped in for him when the opportunity presented. in that aspect, when he was living, he was a link to the more distant musical past.

here’s a clip from him performing on the UT campus, austin city limits, on Feb, 6th 1996. this isn’t the best cut i know, even on youtube, hes not playing his gibson non-reverse firebird, he always played that, a guitar he used throughout his career. his lead isn’t nearly as hot as he was capable of, and its kind of a tossoff song, not one of his standards. on the upside the video is clear and the camerawork doesnt make one seasick, always a plus. there are also good, clear shots of both his right hand technique, and his left hand technique, clear. such a blessing to see what he’s doing. plus he’s also feeling good and dressed to the nines, louisiana style, just like a man from peacock records should be.

and here’s a clip of his home in slidell lousiana, before it was destroyed by katrina.

Clarence “Gatemouth” Brown

white hot, red neck, bluegrass music by a red hot, blue collar, black man from orange texas named brown.

and living proof from beyond the grave that all these coast hurricanes suck.

48. baypraire - 21 September 2008

lots of links in moderation

49. diane - 21 September 2008


Yeah really…..I mean are there shredder and garbage can police in the white house…hall patrols who demand to know what documents Cheney and Addington are whisking to their non-Google Satelited homes?

50. marisacat - 21 September 2008

Madman and bay out of Moderation……………………….!

…………… 😉

51. marisacat - 21 September 2008

thanks bay I read about Gatemouth and the move from Slidell just the other day……………

Thanks for the post..

52. marisacat - 21 September 2008


there are photos around the nettieries of shredder services pulling out from the VP resident in DC. A few years ago, 2003 or 4 or 5, somewhere in there… Which is (residence), iirc, the Naval Observatory.

53. diane - 21 September 2008


Truer words hon…you’ve got me near tears..and it’s not the Miller….

The good thing? There, most certainly, is still Hope!….

(and you’re welcome, but all you can do with truth, when it’s not ill intended and trivial, is applaud and welcome it)

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

I got to see Gatemouth once, in late ’99 or early ’00. Just amazing. He looked so frail walking onto the stage, then he started and it was like he was possessed by a force of nature. Really just awesome. I don’t miss much now about being a buyer in an industry that committed suicide due to creepy, greedy copyright lawyers and MBAs, but I do miss getting to go to little invite-only performances by legends.

Very sad about his gravesite, but his best memorials are the recordings and peoples’ memories of having seen him play.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

speaking of greedy fuckers and my lack of sympathy for them, fucking bastards who got rich cheering on the dismantlement not just of companies, but also of communities and ways of life, I hope the karmic payback hurts HARD:

It had been a long time coming, but in the last week, with the collapse of the investment bank Lehman Brothers and the distress sale of another, Merrill Lynch, thousands of jobs and some 700-billion dollars in wealth, in stock, simply disappeared.

“The gilded age is over,” said Holly Peterson, wife of a multi-millionaire investment banker and daughter of multi-billionaire financier Pete Peterson.

“The whole era of conspicuous consumption and free spending and luxury ended as of this week,” said Robert Frank, Wall Street Journal reporter and author of “Richistan,” a book about America’s super-rich.

As New York investment bankers, once called the masters of the universe, were sent packing, the super-elite tone set by multi-million dollar charity balls, birthday parties and bar mitzvahs too is threatened.

“It was almost like they had created a whole separate world,” said Frank. “They were a parallel country of the rich.”

“A lot of those people will have to sell their homes, they’re going to cut back on the private jets and the vacations. They may even have to take their kids out of private school,” said Frank. “It’s a total reworking of their lifestyle.”

He added that it’s going to be no easy task.

“It’s going to be very hard psychologically for these people,” Frank said. “I talked to one guy who had to give up his private jet recently. And he said of all the trials in his life, giving that up was the hardest thing he’s ever done.”

Really, the hardest thing you’ve ever done, you motherfucker?!?! Try living in some church basement somewhere because your own nation wouldn’t rebuild your city, or standing in lines for hours for those paltry foodstamps with a child on your hip.

And the city’s leading real estate broker, Kathy Sloane, says the worst is yet to come for New York real estate. Some say it’s too soon to know but she estimates the value of a $5 million apartment has already dropped almost a million dollars in value, with no end in sight.

“Because a month from now, that same $5 million apartment may be lucky to achieve $3.5 million,” Sloane said. Now, in New York, some see a kind of poetic justice. The investment bankers who drove up the prices of the city’s fancy co-op apartments are no longer so welcome.

How about a little perspective on how “hard” these people have it:

It’s hardly the soup kitchen for people at the very top.

The chairman of Lehman Brothers, Richard Fuld, still has his mansion in Greenwich, CT, his oceanfront estate on Jupiter Island in FL, and his Park Avenue co-op in Manhattan.

Many at Lehman blame Fuld for dallying while his investment bank went bust, taking risks with other people’s money while he cleared over $40 million in salary and stock in the last year alone.

Glick has been highly critical of Fuld, feeling the pain in a direct way. She has many friends at Lehman and her mother worked there for years.

“It’s just unbelievably shocking,” said Glick, speaking about the devastation felt by her family and friends. “So they’re crying, they’re sick, I mean guys have been telling me they’ve been throwing up because they just can’t stomach what has happened.

Fuld isn’t the only top executive who remains well-off despite his firm’s collapse. Former Bear Stearns CEO Alan Schwartz collected more than $38 million in salary and bonuses in the last three years for which figures are available, though he and Lehman executives also saw their net worths drastically plummet as stock values crashed. Bear Stearns was on the brink of financial ruin when JP Morgan Chase bought it in March.

The CEOs get no sympathy from Lorraine Hankinson, whose husband worked for decades in the mailroom at Bear Stearns.

“The average guy when he loses, he loses everything and he’s got nothing to fall back on,” said Hankinson.

Like thousands of others, she’s been hit hard, losing more than $7,000 of her retirement money, with no estate in Greenwich or golden parachute to fall back on.

“The little guy got the shafting, literally,” said Hankinson. “We got the shafting because that in particular, that amount of money may not seem like much to those guys, but to me, it was my way to build and get a future.”

56. diane - 21 September 2008

Gee….a beautiful thread you have today Marisa….despite the bleak backdrop…hugs to you and all for this kernal of thought that there is still something wonderful about us human beans!

Hugs to you Bay, so nice to see such a thoughtful post from you despite issues that must be pressing for you (I’ve got a backlog of music links you’ve posted to get too).

57. diane - 21 September 2008

to (fuckin pirate Brits) talk about a Royal Fuckin Navy…but then again…were they Kraut?…peel the flesh back…guess just bad fuckin seed…………………..

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Objective vs. Subjective Reality

I believe that when I throw a ball into the air, it will come back down. Almost everyone on the planet, regardless of which deity they believe in, if any, believes the same thing. (I have not encountered anyone who does not “believe” in gravity, but they probably exist.) I believe this because %99.9 of the time I throw a ball in the air, it comes down. (The other %.01 the ball gets stuck on a high shelf, ceiling fan, or some such.) There is clear observational evidence, and the experiment has been performed millions of times with the same results. This is objective reality.

Many believe that they can feel the existence of their preferred deity “in their heart.” Dismissing the fact that the heart is merely a blood pumping muscle and that any such “feeling” comes from the brain, that is strictly a subjective claim. Some claim to feel “Yahweh” in their heart while others claim “Allah” and others feel nothing of the sort. This is an argument from personal experience that is entirely unverifiable by anyone else, or subjective reality.

This kind of personal experience, and circular reasoning,
i.e. “we know this sacred text is true because it says its true,” are common arguments for the validity of faith, however, neither can be counted as evidence.

“But, I simply have faith that this is true,” some will argue. I agree with Mark Twain, who wrote “faith is believing something you know ‘aint true.”

The only honest theistic position is to acknowledge that there is no good evidence, but that one simply believes, via faith, with no good reason. If this is good enough for you, then you probably won’t be convinced otherwise. After all, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into in the first place.

I always find it hard not to laugh in the face of someone who is trying to “prove” some article of faith. Isn’t the whole point of the enterprise that it comes from outside reality? Why sully it with some grounding in this filthy vale?

59. marisacat - 21 September 2008


Well they are whining and may go low key for a few months or a year or two, but the Gilded Age is hardly over for them. They just hate to lose a nickel to someone else.

Los Angeles Co RE has already lost over 30% in value from last year. All RE, whether you were personally caught in the mess or not. Sales (volume) are off almost 40% in CA, many counties, from August of last year. And a dirty secret is that a lot of RE that got foreclosed was not mini mansions but some very tired housing stock from the 70s and 80s in harder to sell burbs, right along with over priced fake princeling manses…

I mean, I jsut shook my head at CA RE the past few years… over and over people think “it is a tree that grows forever”… teh fascinating thing so far had been that it had not yet hit (by all reports) the new condo market in SF..I assume that now is coming, to some degree…. Back in the recession of ’90, ’91 (and it went on for several years here, it was clear we needed a new bubble to get us out, so Presto Chango! Dot Conning was born) but condos were like dead rats on the market. People despaired of ever selling them…

Some hard years coming…..

60. diane - 21 September 2008


Dot Con…..;0)

In the heart of Sly Con Valley……….that “Liberal” bastion of perverted human Hawks and Vultures…………….

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Mad as hell – taxpayers lash out

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — “NO NO NO. Not just no, but HELL NO,” writes Richard, a reader from Anchorage, Alaska.

“This is robbery pure and simple,” Anna from Denver posted on CNNMoney.com’s TalkBack blog this weekend.

“It’s our money! Let these companies die,” added Claudio from Plainville, Conn.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

Welcome to the final stages of the coup…

In 2000, the long fought for and long admired democracy of the United States of America began a slow and steady decline toward fascism – a Bush family tradition – with the installment of a president – a man the citizens overwhelmingly rejected (although the funny math told a still believed myth) – by a few corrupt judges on the US Supreme Court. That coup is now nearly complete and checkmate is all but unavoidable.

Let me first point you to the Bush administration’s so-called Wall Street bailout bill, here, so that you can see for yourself that this treachery is being conducted in the light of day. Fascism is finally and formally out of the right-wing closet even if the F word is not yet openly being used (although it should be, and often).

Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.

The Bush family, in the form of Prescott Bush, has tried a more aggressive coup before in order to install fascism in this country. This treasonous plot was called “the Business Plot,” because the high-level plotters – including Prescott Bush – were Wall Street men who openly supported fascism.

It seems this time around, the Bush family is trying the more subtle approach to open bloodshed: first create a crisis, then under the guise of addressing that crisis, overthrow democracy. Yes, it does sound terribly conspiracy-theory-esque when explained just this way. But what else does one call a criminal conspiracy to destroy Congressional powers permanently, alter Judicial powers permanently, and steal public funds?

63. marisacat - 21 September 2008

EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — “NO NO NO. Not just no, but HELL NO,” writes Richard, a reader from Anchorage, Alaska.

“This is robbery pure and simple,” Anna from Denver posted on CNNMoney.com’s TalkBack blog this weekend.

“It’s our money! Let these companies die,” added Claudio from Plainville, Conn.

I LOVE it!!

64. diane - 21 September 2008


Objective vs Subjective

Hmmm I’d be careful with that one Madman…I’m quite sure there are many out there who can’t objectively prove they’re being abused by our dearest government..yet, they most certainly are.

And certainly, I don’t think anyone is able to prove just why exactly we are here…can you? I mean it’s all conjecture ..isn’t it? If not, please explain to me what exactly created the planet we lkive on.

65. diane - 21 September 2008

lkive on and live on

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008
67. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

This photo from the Pakistan bombings is just stunning

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

N.Y. Tests Turbines to Produce Power

I have my problems w/ Bloomberg, but his initiatives on green power seem pretty forward looking.

69. diane - 21 September 2008

alas, I won’t hold my breath for your answer Madman..after all, I know you can’t answer the question…………………..but you seem quite adept at telling others their conclusions are ABSOLUTELY WRONG, which wouldn’t be so bad if you didn’t further state that they are imbeciles for beleiving in something beyond one’s imagination, when in fact the beginings of all that exist are still quite beyond any human’s ability to explain.

jus sayin…

70. marisacat - 21 September 2008


Frau Speaker Speaks!

“We will not simply hand over a $700 billion blank check to Wall Street and hope for a better outcome. Democrats will act responsibly to insulate Main Street from Wall Street.

.. and a few other phrases… LOL

71. diane - 21 September 2008


Hmmm actually that’s not true, you don’t tell others they’re imbeciles directly…you leave the air thick with it……………because you don’t want to directly hurt ones feelings maybe.

again jus sayin……

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

I’m not saying they are wrong to believe what they believe, as long as they aren’t trying to use it as the basis of laws to make OTHERS believe as they believe. I’m merely saying that if they want me to follow some course of action for which they can offer no supporting evidence other than “the Great Cosmic Muffin tells us so in the Great Cookbook that we must outlaw putting our shoes on before 8 am on Tuesdays when the moon is full”, then they can stuff it.

As for the beginnings, etc … who cares? The SEARCH for meaning is the point, and conducting that search based on rational, measurable happenings that others can replicate can be a boon for building better lives. As for filling in the blanks with whatever fairy story you want while the search goes on … well, feel free. Just keep it to your fucking self when it comes to passing laws and educating children in the basics. I can’t prove God, Shiva, Crom or Tinkie Winkie the Purple God of Rubbing One’s Belly don’t exist. You can’t prove a negative, but more importantly I DON’T CARE, and I don’t have to show anybody any respect who DOES believe it.

73. diane - 21 September 2008

We will not simply hand over a $700 billion blank check to Wall Street and hope for a better outcome.

Of course not, “We” will do it knowing the outcome for the public at large is bleak and desolate at best.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

71 – well, my contempt is very much on purpose. That makes me a bad, bad man.

Anyway, there is this:

Peter Camejo finally made the front page. All he had to do to get there is die. Camejo, who died Sept. 14 at age 68, was a perennial third-party candidate. He was the Green Party candidate for vice president in 2004, with Ralph Nader topping the ticket.

You’ve probably never heard of Camejo, even though many Green Party ideas are now in the mainstream. And this illuminates one of the many problems with the way we elect presidents in the United States: We shut out all voices except those from the Democrat and Republican parties.

By “we,” I mean the mainstream news media — especially the electronic media — in collaboration with the two political parties, who tightly control the debate format.

This is something to worry about as we enter the quadrennial presidential and vice presidential debates. Democrat Barack Obama will square off against Republican John Mc- Cain three times (Friday, Oct. 7 and Oct. 15), and their would-be vice presidents, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden, will go head to head once (Oct. 2).

They will do so before a national audience in the tens of millions.

Libertarian Bob Barr, the Green Party’s Cynthia McKinney, and Nader, an Independent, will have no such forum.

All three are on enough ballots— more than 40 states — to win the Electoral College.

In San Luis Obispo County, there are 1,600 people registered in the Green Party and more than 900 Libertarians. More than 3,000 are in the American Independent Party.

There are other minor parties across the nation, but Nader, McKinney and Barr and their parties have earned national status. They should be in the debates.

They won’t be, because since 1988 the two major parties have taken control of the process through the Commission on Presidential Debates. They require a candidate to have 15 percent standing in the polls.

There’s only one way to reach that threshold: exposure in the national media. That won’t happen unless the media let it, and they won’t, because they, too, are locked in to the two-party system.

Ask most mainstream journalists about having Nader or Barr or McKinney up there on the stage with Obama and Mc- Cain, and I’ll bet they will tell you that these people have no chance so why should we listen to them? That attitude has infiltrated the media culture.

My reaction is: Who gave us the right to decide whether they are credible? Shouldn’t voters decide that? Might they not have new ideas that would help them build a new political party?

75. diane - 21 September 2008


As for the beginnings, etc … who cares?

Come on now hon……gotta go for a bit, but I will read your response…have a really good day, I mean that.

76. marisacat - 21 September 2008

From the proposed bailout plan ( HTML ):

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

The schnauzers over at The Corner are going thru it… LOL

77. marisacat - 21 September 2008

From Yuval Levin at The Corner http://corner.nationalreview.com/ :

[E]ven if Hank Paulson were the all knowing god of economics, would it make sense to give this kind of power to the treasury secretary for the next two years just forty days before an election? Shall we go through our mental list of who an Obama administration (or a McCain administration for that matter) is likely to put in that post? And doesn’t it make sense to establish some kind of process for deciding how specifically to use the money? To put in place some criteria of prioritization? Some real-time oversight? Isn’t transparency crucial to the proper functioning of our modern financial system? And how is everyone in both parties suddenly satisfied that this approach is the only one that could work? ::snap!::

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

75 – I’m serious. I don’t care.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

This is kinda funny, considering the source, but it’s a pretty good list: What Wall Street Should Be Required to Do, to Get A Blank Check From Taxpayers

80. marisacat - 21 September 2008

I have to say (before reading that, however) that Reich ahs been fucking insufferable thru this. EVERYBODY is covering either for their friends, Bernanke and Whatshisname the Sec of the T… OR they are covering for their friends in the godamned – polls lower than the fucking president – congress.

Which is true I jsut saw a new poll, forget whose, and Bush polls at 30 pts and the congress 10 pts lower.

81. wu ming - 21 September 2008

on the SARS response, i was actually in china at the time of that whole mess, and flew back to CA right as the news broke that it was a full-blown mess. no problem getting through customs/immigration, nothing.

the same summer, a month or so later, i started taking summer classes at berkeley. no problem, no fuss, just registered for them and attended class.

but the same time, as everyone was getting panicky, the UC started talking about refusing asian students from countries that had SARS, and a lot of people were jabbering about denying visas to foreigners from asia. some of those students were already in CA taking classes, but their passports were from abroad. big mess.

but me, white boy californian that i am? not a bit of hassle, registration, or inquiry as to whether i was spreading disease from my prior stay in china, in a city with no small amount of SARS.

it’s never really been about public health. if they wanted to do something about pandemic, they’d pass universal health and build a bunch of local public free clinics, so that anything that cropped up would be caught and treated at the early stages.

klein’s shock doctrine opened up a lot of doors for me. the people that run this country bet on chaos, they assume everything will come down to crowd control. all those militarized riot cops are for what reaction people have when they realize how deeply they’ve been jobbed. who says they don’t plan ahead, that they’re incompetent?

82. marisacat - 21 September 2008

oh yes it is all in line with her Shock Doctrine theories and book. And Mike Davis, “The Monster at the Gate”, all about The Other. Many of whom are us… Not news…

I went to Europe a few days after 9/11. No problems at all. Empty International terminal at SFO, low key check in, nothing like what it is now. Glad I went then. I’d blow a gasket now.

They have never planned to do anything about Health Care and now they have a ready made excuse. Which they plan to plaster that excuse, with a big glue brush, across all our faces, big time.

83. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

And what, exactly, is Pelosi going to do about this? Puhlease.

And what are the angry members of the public going to do besides ranting online and to newspapers? Bludgeoned into complacency… But don’t forget to vote! That’ll show ’em.

84. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

72. The SEARCH for meaning is the point,

It took me 30-some years until I finally realized that the meaning of life is to ponder the meaning of life. 😉

85. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

And, speaking of the meaning of life, the end of the world has been delayed.

86. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

More insult to injury

Up to 10,000 staff at the New York office of the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers will share a bonus pool set aside for them that is worth $2.5bn (£1.4bn), Barclays Bank, which is buying the business, confirmed last night.

The revelation sparked fury among the workers’ former colleagues, Lehman’s 5,000 staff based in London, who currently have no idea how long they will go on receiving even their basic salaries, let alone any bonus payments. It also prompted a renewed backlash over the compensation culture in global finance, with critics claiming that many bankers receive pay and rewards that bore no relation to the job they had done.

A spokesman for Barclays said the $2.5bn bonus pool in New York had been set aside before Lehman Brothers filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in the United States a week ago. Barclays has agreed that the fund should continue to be ring-fenced now it has taken control of Lehman’s US business, a deal agreed by American bankruptcy courts over the weekend.
Many of Lehman’s UK staff are particularly angry about the US payouts because it has emerged that in the days running up to the bankruptcy, some $8bn in cash was transferred out of the account of the bank’s European business into accounts at the New York head office.

87. diane - 21 September 2008


well I could be a likely asshole, somewhere inbetween, or not, but I do have to ask how one ponders the meaning of something when they’re not the least bit interested in the origins of that something?

88. liberalcatnip - 21 September 2008

Speaking of changes

89. marisacat - 21 September 2008

hmm Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are now “bank holding companies”.

What ever it all means I am sure they just benefited, big time. And we lost, big time.

90. maddie - 21 September 2008

the people that run this country bet on chaos, they assume everything will come down to crowd control.

Hmmm…this seems to fit here. Brigade Homeland Tours start October 1st

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

[fixed the link — Mcat]

91. maddie - 21 September 2008

Gah… Totally screwed up the html. Here is the link to the post.


92. diane - 21 September 2008


I guess they’ll soon be (or are at this moment?) agents of our dear government, according to the flimsy proposal.

93. diane - 21 September 2008


Thanks for the, what between the lines sounds like martial law, heads up maddie

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

94. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

87 – I can’t wait to see what the Large Hadron Collider finds. That’s different than “knowing where everything comes from”. Have a theory, figure out how you can test it. If you can’t test it, then put it to the side, or treat it as interesting but not particularly crucial.

95. maddie - 21 September 2008

Thanks, Mcat!

96. marisacat - 21 September 2008

Last I read the Collider is down, electrical problems. Call Gawd,

97. marisacat - 21 September 2008


no problem, thanks for the link.. 😉

98. diane - 21 September 2008


I for one have never stated that I knew for a certainty what our beginnings were….and it gnaws at me when I realize that someone may be implying that I’m an idiot, worse hating me, when I’ve never tried to force my beliefs; most especially when they don’t know the answers anymore than I do.

99. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

90 – wow, that’s scary.

100. marisacat - 21 September 2008


yes, NorCom officially springs into action, if that is the first active unit assigned.

Batten down the hatches…

101. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 September 2008

55, Madman: I have worked for two companies that ran into financial trouble, one of them being the investment bank that was hit hard during the 1987 crash, and the other being a software company that was run into the ground by its incompetent CEO (who promptly took the golden parachute and left his underlings to try to bail out the sinking ship). In both cases, the first reaction of management was to try to cut costs by laying people off. The people they laid off? The mail room guys and cafeteria workers who made $16K a year.

I complained vociferously in both cases. First of all, the mail room and cafeteria people actually had duties that were essential to the smooth running of the office, and they DID THEIR JOBS, unlike the dweebs in the executive suites. Secondly, they cost very little (unlike the executive dweebs) therefore cutting their jobs didn’t accomplish much in the way of economization.

My complaints fell on deaf ears.

I have nothing against capitalism but I do have something against poor business management.

102. diane - 21 September 2008


Yeah, apparently it’s still down, for another two months. Articles link

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

98 – I don’t hate you, or think that you’re an idiot. What I am sick of is people insisting that their fairy tales should matter to me, and that I’m some kind of asshole for not respecting them. I respect them fine when they produce a thing of beauty like “No Depression” or “Amazing Grace”, but not when they’re used to oppress and pummel people, when they move from expressions of human hope and creativity and into political weapons.

The thing is w/ believers, many seem to think that when someone criticizes another believer (even if the other believes something you find abhorent) that somehow THEY’RE being attacked.

I’m just sick of religion and “faith” blocking any real debate, finding any real solutions. Take abortion, for example. I can respect the idea that pressing for sex ed and healthcare and contraceptives will reduce abortions, because they all help to reduce unwanted pregnancy. Fewer unwanted pregnancies means fewer people NEED abortions (not WANT, not “CHOOSE”, but NEED). What I object to is the dems saying, “I respect that you think abortion is evil … I think we ALL agree it is terrible”, so therefore lets talk. The rational basis for compromise disappears under the pandering to irrational division, seeking only to find “common ground” by some midpoint of “Faith”.

THAT is why I mock religion, because it is used as a substitution for debate. I can’t debate somebody who retreats to “because the Bible (or Milton Friedman) tells me so” when the discussion reaches the point where they have no more factual arguments to make. Trying to find common ground with people who think a priori that something is evil is impossible. To say that you respect their superstition is to say that you ACCEPT that it’s okay not to find common ground. To accept that it’s okay not to find common ground is to say that democracy is impossible.

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 September 2008

96 – one of the big problems with high-powered colliders is the superconducting magnets they use to contain and guide the beams, and the VERY cold temps they need to be kept at in order to reach superconductivity.

I’m really curious to see if they can confirm some of the remaining predictions of the Standard Model.

105. marisacat - 21 September 2008

new thread


………………… 8) ………………

106. diane - 21 September 2008


I’m glad you don’t hate me or think I’m an idiot Madman…I don’t hate you, or think you’re an idiot either.

I realize there’s an abundance of pricks and prickessas out there slamming people with their “religion,” and worse, mingling it with politics. Unfortunately, the backlash seems only to be felt by those who care, not by those who are just using that religion as a means to an ugly end, or those too ignorant to care. And it isn’t just a matter of hypersensitivity to commentary, the current backlash against anyone belieiving in something intangible, particularly Christianity, Judaism and Islam is very real, I can logically understand its source, but it hurts nonetheless.. And while people don’t like to be battered by religion, some of them don’t mind at all setting out to prove to someone that their beliefs are baseless, which is every bit as offensive to my mind, as battering someone with religion.

107. diane - 21 September 2008

posting this down here in night ravings, because the new thread has such a beautiful oic on it, I don’t want to mar any good feelings it brings:

Paulson Waffles On Homeowner Relief

At first, Treasury Secretary Paulson sounded like he agreed.

“I think there should be a mortgage relief component to this,” Paulson told Fox News Sunday.

But on ABC’s This Week, Paulson seemed to back off the idea of carving out some of the massive bailout sum for homeowners who got in over their heads.

“No foreclosure protections, no restrictions,” Paulson said [yes, as a matter of fact those suffering foreclosures due to reasons they couldn’t control, will still be “bailing out those who made millions of dollars off of false Balance Sheets, until they die].

He seemed to say “no” to adding anything else to the bill.

“What I’m saying is, we need this to be clean and quick, and we need to get it in place,” the Treasury Secretary continued.


DC seems to be filled with predators, who seem to know the kind of pain they’re inflicting, along with those too frightened of becoming victims to do anything about it. I wish I was wrong but it sure doesn’t seem that way.

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