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Did it end? 26 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


The end seems to be some loyalty oath to war… but frankly my brain broke down. It gave up.



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

feel like I have to post this again from last thread, to put these two assholes and their warmongering in perspective:

25 years ago today, this man saved my life. And yours.

2. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Just to spread the joy of commentary on personal styling… looks like Beschloss has a new do. Or dispensed with toupe and got hair grafts or something,..

3. marisacat - 26 September 2008

I doubt anyone can stand it, but The Page has posted spin distribution from the spin room at Ole Miss


4. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Commentary from the Globe & Mail:

10:32: McCain says he doesn’t believe Obama is prepared to be president. Obama says he is from Kenya. McCain says veterans make him sad. Lehrer says we’re done.


5. marisacat - 26 September 2008

The McC cmap already have a YouTube out.. on the debate.

6. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Couric has results of “scientific” real-time poll of debate watchers.

Sounds like Obama picked up favorability.

7. marisacat - 26 September 2008

This Week: McCain
Face the Nation: Obama
Meet the Press: Bill Clinton, Obama’s Axelrod, McCain’s Schmidt
Fox News Sunday: Sens. Graham, Kerry
Late Edition: Pakistani Pres. Asif Ali Zardari

8. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Another one from the G&M:

10:03: McCain has so far used the words straight-talk and maverick in reference to himself. Along with his Main Street reference, and mention of the surge, all I need is for him to call his wife a nasty name and I can yell Republican Bingo.

9. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Joebama’s on CNN with Teh Beard. I didn’t know those guys even stayed up this late.

10. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

CBS: Early Poll Results Suggest More Uncommitted Voters Saw Obama As Debate Winner

CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 uncommitted voters reacting to the debate in the minutes after it happened.

These figures are still preliminary and could change as more respondents complete the survey. But here’s what we have so far:

Forty percent of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. Twenty-two percent thought John McCain won. Thirty-eight percent saw it as a draw.

Forty-six percent of uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better tonight.

Sixty-eight percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-one percent think McCain would.

Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Chris Rock on Maher, after Bill asks him about McCain trying to change the rules: “Ask the indians about white men and rules. They’ll change the rules about everything. Sometimes I think Obama actually thinks having the most votes will mean something … they’ll look him dead in the face, say ‘you got the most votes, too bad you lost!’. We used to count votes, now we count bacon!”

12. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

BBC recap, FWIW.

13. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Forty-nine percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-five percent think McCain would.

Next time McC will tell us about some epic dinosaur battle he observed


14. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

13 – and then Sarah will point out that dinosaurs were around when Jesus walked the Earth.

Nader is going off on the debate on Maher. “Militarism won”.

“McCain wants to rebuild Georgia over there. What about Georgia over here?”

15. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Next time McC will tell us about some epic dinosaur battle he observed

War is STILL GOOD! (But psstt . . . ixnay on the eedgray!)

16. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Biden on KeefO ratting out Johnny on veterans’ deep lerv. . .

17. marisacat - 26 September 2008

I think she saw dinosaurs wearing crucifixes.

18. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Biden tripped over his clown shoes trying to give his dear ol’ pal John a kiss while ribbing him gently about his total venality.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

18 – well, Obama kept saying “I agree with John, but …”

stupid, stupid donks.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

oh, I am so remembering why I voted for Nader in ’00.

21. marisacat - 26 September 2008

willie brown on local PBS is saying it’s all downhill from here.. and that there should hve been joint TownHalls, across weeks rather than this official debate format.. He’s right on that.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

19 – I think that’s supposed to be the civility card.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Biden is Lieberman 2008.

24. marisacat - 26 September 2008

ugh… from The Blog at Weekly Standard:

The former Secretary of State says he does not support direct talks with Ahmadinejad.

“Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level.”

Obama said during the debate that Kissinger, a McCain adviser, supports presidential talks with the Iranian president.

25. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Biden is even worse than I had expected. Drool and maggots.

26. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Buchanan approved of the Spain schtick, but is giving the slugfest to McCain. Acknowledges O might have picked up some nice people’s votes.

Pat loves the ringside like life itself.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Maher New Rules: “I think the recent news from Wall St. has made us all less tolerant, and only reinforced the stereotype — that white people are shiftless, thieving welfare queens.”

28. marisacat - 26 September 2008

ugh. Prop 4, the third time they have tried in three years to get parental notification passed, is polling slightly ahead. It may pass this time. PBS local saying that latino support was effectively rallied this time for it, supporting it 2 to 1

Defeated twice…. and they just keep coming back. They are very carefully calling it “parental notification” and NOT parental agreement or permission.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

25 – Agree. Haven’t been able to stand him for years, but thought he’d clean up a tad better than this.

WAY underestimated the Band of Buddies drool, too.

30. marisacat - 26 September 2008

From The Campaign Spot at NRO:


Three Words You May Hear Again – ‘John Is Right’

From Campaign Spot reader Frieda: “I have counted 6 times that Obama has said ‘John is right.’ Sounds like McCain’s next commercial.”

If it becomes an ad, we’ll never hear it from him again…

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

All the donks … Biden and Clinton and Obama and on and on.

Too fucking nice, too fucking “civil”. Jeez, if you really want to win, fucking rip your opponent’s throat out. NO ONE has ever won by being “civil”.

They are so damned pathetic.

32. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Is ANYBODY pointing out that McC’s running mate WAS a Miss Congeniality in 1984, before she donned the sacred pit-bull rouge à lèvres?

How are they getting away with this ruse?

Tweety’s popping a gasket that Obama didn’t call out McCain on the notion of endless blessed war.

Who knew Tweety had any such gasket left?

33. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

24 – Oh that Hank!

34. diane - 26 September 2008

Sorry about being off subject, just logged on…..

Marisa, thanks for cleaning up my last post two threads ago! And re your post #8, on. We’re Trapped in a Game Show:

….somebody had best be with the patient round the clock…

As I found out helping someone close, whose mother died quite unexpectedly, not even that works sometimes, I hope to share a more complete story sometime……..will say right now: after her mother died.I discovered what seemed a rather odd lab in the middle of the Beverly [Elder] Care (finally, no longer in business (at least, under that name), after being “number one” or two, nationwide (which never seems to bode well for the customer), I guess there were just too many lawsuits…I believe a Cali AG had a part) place she died in, when they had no resident doctors and had to send a urine specimen to another lab. My suspicions may have been totally incorrect..then again, they may have been quite valid…the “Elderly’s” death prognosis is way too easily equated to their age for the times.

Anywho, I went down quite a few rabbit holes re “The Board” at Beverly Care…one of which is related to my recents about National Geo… and (for a fact) DOD money given out to Medical Schools..(wonder the real reason’s for all of the Congestive Heart Failure…..Negligence?..or worse too many times?)

And what a myth about a citizen’s legal redress……………………….

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

32 – oh, you mean this Sarah?

As for Tweety, he was such a cheerleader himself for this misbegotten war that I think a little guilty projection going on.

36. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Palin names charities to receive tainted

A McCain campaign spokesman said Palin selected three Alaska-based charities: Abused Women’s Aid in Crisis and Crisis Pregnancy Center, both in Anchorage, and Special Olympics Alaska. The campaign says the donations will be made next week, possibly as early as Monday.

Wonder if Abused Women’s Aid in Crisis handles emergency contraception for rape victims? No? Well then I’m sure the Crisis Pregnancy Center will!

37. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Not sure how far back McC use of “Miss Congeniality” goes. it pre dates the Palin arrival. I don’t see a problem with it. It is popular vernacular, quick reference… and meaningless to my eye. However calling a working reporter in the field “sweetie” (esp when you don’t want to answer a pointed question) is something different to my mind.

Yeah Sully is deeply in love iwth the YouTube of SP at the ’84 pageant. I have heard her in interview on the pageant. She seems less than happy she did it, but was then, and still, glad to get the money. So she says.

It’s nto cheating in a third tier law school (gosh maybe it was all of second tier), for one. And I just read (think at Tapper) that Biden is STILL confused, saying he himself was a miner. Someone call Biden gfather or NKinnock. Maybe they can help him.

38. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

I don’t care if it predates Palin. He’s dating Palin now.

It’s disrespectful.

39. diane - 26 September 2008

jeez…feel like the doormouse that just unexpectedly put in their two cents from the teapot…….

But calling Palin the fake she appears to be…..was like a shot of expresso (is that spelled wrong?)

…sha la la la lalalala…..…yes, still listening to Roy…. feel so bad….I’ve got a worried mind…lookin forward to happier times….

40. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Obama isn’t making jokes about plagiarism, is he?

41. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

HTML accident at 36. Bad ital end tag. Sorry!

42. marisacat - 26 September 2008

LOL No but he offered up Biden as the answer to his not holding hearings on Afghanistan. I think next McC will get to his attendance on the Veteran Affairs Committee, that he ran on, being seated on, as an issue in his 04 senate run.

Pretty entertaining.

They have all congealed. past tense.

43. lucid - 26 September 2008

Do my standards get that more exacting year after year, or is the level of stupidity promulgated by our leaders and media on the rise? Thinking back to the Reagan/Mondale debates, even though the former was suffering form extreme alzheimer’s, he at least had a remote intelligence to his debating technique.

Christ. Let me debate them – at least it would be entertaining…

44. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Germany, 1980: Tainted Love.

45. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

Wonder if Abused Women’s Aid in Crisis handles emergency contraception for rape victims? No? Well then I’m sure the Crisis Pregnancy Center will!

typical crapola. from the CPC website

Considering abortion?


Abortion Methods

Medical/Chemical Abortions

Morning After Pill (MAP)
Emergency Contraception (EC)
Emergency contraception (also known as the Morning After Pill) is taken within the first 72 hours after intercourse to prevent pregnancy. While it may be promoted as a quick and easy answer for unprotected sex, you will want to be fully informed about how it works. You will want to know if using the MAP can be the same as getting an abortion. If an egg has been fertilized (conception), and you take the pill, the pill will work to prevent the already conceived baby from implanting in your uterine wall. If this happens, a very early abortion will occur. Conception can occur as early as 15 minutes after intercourse.

The MAP does not protect you from the growing epidemic of STIs (sexually transmitted infections), some of them incurable. One study of women using the MAP, showed a 30% increase of chlamydia. Additionally, another study of women who used the MAP found the rate of ectopic pregnancies to be tripled.

tainted donation to tainted “charity”. there’s a certain logic to it.

46. diane - 26 September 2008


I suppose that comment may seem a bit lopsided on my part…..so let me clarify, I think they’re all assholes……but I’m still doing a slow stew about what seemed to be the feminine pass given Palin…which included all kinds of hurled shit onto a lot of people who post here by someone who has a habit of patronizing to my mind (but hasn’t posted on this thread, yet (to my visibility)…..

47. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

31. NO ONE has ever won by being “civil”.

Maybe Obamalama was going for the Miss Congeniality crown.

48. diane - 26 September 2008


Interesting…..I don’t remember equating anything close to intelligence with Reagan….Power, Yes…..The thing I remember most vividly, was that after the mikes were turned off, I could swear, he was mouthing..”I never said you could retract missiles…,” re Star Wars,..or something to that effect…..

jus sayin…..

49. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

45 – Thanks. Couldn’t make myself even go there.

50. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Pity the Democrats will be playing along with CPC and federally funding them. And abstinence. And cutting bc.

Why do they act like that? Myself, my opinon it is that so many of them BELIEVE in it. Henry Hyde stalwart helpers in shafting poor women, 32 years ago… 3 years after the passage of Roe, and providing funding for abortions, were Democrats.

The shame of it all. And I regret every vote I ever cast for them. And I NEVER voted for a R. Not even the one that ran agasint Feinstein from the left. Course I never voted for her after ’78.

51. diane - 26 September 2008


Many of us are with you in having voted for assholes, who in reality made no difference in the effect they had on the populace, than Republicans…

I certainly am, on a Presidential level I’ve always voted Democrat.,…and never Republican, for anthing…..not really sure what I’ll do this time at the last minute………..except that I will not vote for Mc Cain…Possibly Cynthia…..not looking forward to not voting at all…but might just do that…

52. diane - 26 September 2008

….geee, so shocked that A Handmaiden’s Tale seems to be regaining popularity……in such heartwarming times……………..I want to say it came out near twenty plus years ago..at least that’s when it depressed the fuck out of me, that along with, was it the Women’s Room…..my…how we’ve progressed.having been enlightened……..

53. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Farting alpaca – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOWk5l2u6Fo

Good night!

54. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Politico: ‘McCain is Right’

The McCain campaign is up with a very fast YouTube on Obama’s repeated assents to things McCain said.

55. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008
56. diane - 26 September 2008

hmmm…. The Women’s Room you can buy it for a penny on Amazon……sure hope Marilyn French isn’t having to live off the royalties of her hard work, now that we have all this oh so beneficent technology…….(are you reading peeder and kraant?….practising your zen?….)…….

57. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Debate transcript

Just caught KO saying that McC said Pakistan was (currently) a failed state. That’s not what he said:

MCCAIN: I — I don’t think that Senator Obama understands that there was a failed state in Pakistan when Musharraf came to power. Everybody who was around then, and had been there, and knew about it knew that it was a failed state.

KO also seemed to think it’s big news that McC admitted the US has used torture. Well hello? Abu Ghraib, Keith?

KO really needs to get his head out of Obama’s ass.

58. diane - 26 September 2008

..anyone want to join me for a late night bowl of clam chowder doused liberally with white and black pepper, some saltines and sharp cheddar….. ? Ahhhhh, and some KETTLE, SALT & Fresh Ground PEPPER potato chips?

59. baypraire - 26 September 2008

45 – Thanks. Couldn’t make myself even go there.

i used to keep semi-daily notes, and save and arrange links for an email tree that spent a great deal of time on reproductive rights related issues. i’m no longer sure even how long i did that, almost a year, a little over perhaps. by the time i pushed away i was in much the same place, finding it increasingly harder to “even go there”. i wasn’t even dealing with the physical reality of it either, like some we know, just the online sites, and news items and bills and laws. now i can take it again in bits and pieces, im sad to say, because i have an idea what to expect going in. whats kind of odd about this particular organization is its a CPC that actually calls itself that. generally they try and mask the use of the term.

and just to be absolutely clear when i said “typical crapola. from the CPC website” that wasnt in reference to your comment at all. i should have said “typical CPC crapola. from the CPC website”. if not for your comment i would have missed the intent of the donations entirely. knowing the type organization shes donating to is solid proof that palin is agressively anti-choice. that organization clearly attempts to manipulate those it claims to offer aide to, using guilt and half-truths to serve their agenda prior to serving the needs of their client.

and isn’t it nice to know both political parties in this country see such quackery as a substitute for medical care? not to mention some being worthy of 60 million dollars in federal funding as of 2006.

vanity ultrasounds by non-professionals for everybody! with no additional charge for the guilt thrown in.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008


War is Good. Guilt is Gravy.

61. wu ming - 27 September 2008

re. 57 –

the telling thing about mccain saying pakistan was a failed state when mussharraf did his coup is that it elides the fact that musharraf actively deposed an elected president (a weasel, but an elected one) when nawaz sharif tried to rein in the pakistani military’s adventurism in kashmir when india and pakistran came close to serious blows.

mccain’s “failed state” thing is an excuse for a coup, whom bush immediately started backing once he’d come to power.

if he’d said pakistan was a failed state from the get-go, or since zia ul-haq took over, it would have read differently, but as it stands, mccain was explicitly carrying water for a dictator in that statement.

as opposed to saakashvili, where both of them were shamelessly carrying water for that dictator.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

59 – It is incredibly depressing, isn’t it?

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008
64. penlan - 27 September 2008

Paul Newman has died.

65. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

63. mccain’s “failed state” thing is an excuse for a coup,

I don’t doubt that and the history since then. KO was just quite excited when he thought McC said Pakistan IS a failed state now.

59. We had a controversy pop up in Calgary a few years ago when it was discovered that one of these so-called pregnancy help centers was selling itself as a place for complete info about options. Not so, of course. Glad it was exposed.

66. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008
67. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

well, Pakistan has never really been a settled state. It’s never really been stable for more than a few years at a time, and much of the blame for that can be laid at the feet of the US and UK.

68. baypraire - 27 September 2008


yeah it is.

69. baypraire - 27 September 2008

one of the clown-shoe blogger’s associates cites online poll results early in the a.m. as proof of paper maché jesus warrior’s win.


CNN post-debate poll:

Who did the best job in the debate?

Barack Obama 51
John McCain 38


-Thers 01:10

less than two hours earlier said associate pimps a “call to action” at la naranja to freep said poll (among others):

Poll List

Oh good — please go here to the online poll list and vote vote vote!

This is stupid, but necessary.

-Thers 22:43

gotta love those online party stooges.

70. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

From a tribute to Newman at the Hole in the Wall Camps.

“I wish I could recall with clarity the impulse that compelled me to help bring this camp into being. I’d be pleased if I could announce a motive of lofty purpose. I’ve been accused of compassion, of altruism, of devotion to Christian, Hebrew, and Moslem ethic, but however desperate I am to claim ownership of a high ideal, I cannot. I wanted, I think, to acknowledge Luck; the chance of it, the benevolence of it in my life, and the brutality of it in the lives of others, made especially savage for children because they may not be allowed the good fortune of a lifetime to correct it.” – Paul Newman.

71. marisacat - 27 September 2008


Madman and penlan out of Moderation (comments 63 and 64)


bayprairie out of Spam… (comment 69)

72. diane - 27 September 2008

From all I’ve ever read or heard, it seemed like Paul Newman,and his wife were just really decent human beings who cared about other people.

Rest in Peace Paul Newman……..hugs to your wife and family.

73. diane - 27 September 2008

…..speaking of just human beans people who care, I really like melvin’s recent post….

74. marisacat - 27 September 2008

Hollywood Reporter, on last night’s viewing. So far, just the network numbers that Nielsen tracks over night. Cable numbers to come.

75. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

72 – Agree . . . always liked his sort of hardass insistence on humility, too. Treated his own image irreverently, with pleasure.

Found a 2006 interview on YouTube, discussing the Hole in the Wall camps generally, after one opened in Hungary.

Newman interviewed in Budapest in 2006.

76. diane - 27 September 2008

Having an interesting conversation about the reasoning for fiscal year ends (financial), the US’ being September 30th, the one in question a 51-52 week year end, medical industry……can see the reasoning for agriculture, but curious about the others, and the beginnings (or was that one “n”) of them….

(….they’ll laugh at you!. (thinking about myself here, to clarify)

77. diane - 27 September 2008


Yeah, somone you just want to kiss…with all the meaning you can muster……………

Thinking about Struther and ……Put ‘im in the box……. liked Struther too……..they must’ve had a blast on that set……..

78. diane - 27 September 2008

…sha la la la ……sha lalalalala………;0)….. picture a teeny flame hon! and a caged storefront………….

79. diane - 27 September 2008


Just for the record, Lehman Brothers fiscal year end was november 30th…why?

80. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

Al Jazeera has some overseas reactions to last night’s debate.

81. diane - 27 September 2008

shall we go to Wharton….. for the answers …do the current students have a clue? Does anyone? Likely,….Mr. Soros?…how are things in Dubai?……glad you think so……………..

82. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

79 – Wiki has some info on various fiscal year systems, but Wiki’s entry on Lehman Brothers makes reference to Sept 30 as its third-quarter accounting period. Where did you see Nov. 30 cited?

83. diane - 27 September 2008

ahhhh Roy….that sweet background chorus dumb be dumb, be dumb…ooh yeah, yeah…. all the while knowing, that they and that sweet, goofy blind man…had a gift no one could ever take away from them, somewhere at their core……………..

the gift of mercy……………..

84. diane - 27 September 2008

yeah…and ………….love hurts…… we all most certainly know that to be true……………………………

85. diane - 27 September 2008


Thought I saw it on their 10K (year end SEC filing) will go back and check and clarify.

86. diane - 27 September 2008

by the by…I hava a Wharton, Soros, Dubai link stuck in spam

87. diane - 27 September 2008


directly from the 10k:

Washington, D.C. 20549
(Mark One) Form 10-K
 Annual Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 for the fiscal year ended November 30, 2007
 Transition Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 for the transition period from to
Commission File Number 1-9466
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in its Charter)
(State or other jurisdiction of
incorporation or organization)
(I.R.S. Employer Identification No.)
745 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York
(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)
Registrant’s telephone number, including area code: (212) 526-7000…….

88. diane - 27 September 2008

I may have posted this twice…the more the merrier? sumthin got in the details….

directly from the 10k:

Washington, D.C. 20549
(Mark One) Form 10-K
 Annual Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 for the fiscal year ended November 30, 2007
 Transition Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 for the transition period from to
Commission File Number 1-9466
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in its Charter)
(State or other jurisdiction of
incorporation or organization)
(I.R.S. Employer Identification No.)
745 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York
(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)
Registrant’s telephone number, including area code: (212) 526-7000…….

89. diane - 27 September 2008

now I have two or three in spam….ants in the pants………all in due time………thank you marisa, for your sweet diligence,..what a gift!

90. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

diane – found this at an SEC cache page via Google:

During 1994, the Company changed its fiscal year-end from December 31 to November 30. Such a change to a non-calendar cycle shifts certain year-end administrative activities to a time period that conflicts less with the business needs of Holdings’
institutional customers.

91. diane - 27 September 2008

kisses to ya marisa…..;0)…..all’s clear hon…don’t worry your sweet heart!

92. NYCO - 27 September 2008

Re Paul Newman: Aside from all of the other numerous praises pouring in for him, is it irreverent to add, that the food he sold under the Newman’s Own label is awfully good?

The microwave popcorn was especially yummy for its time (when it first came out), and I don’t know what I’d do without his Chunky Peach Salsa…

93. diane - 27 September 2008

so what was in the works hon,…or coming up…?

94. NYCO - 27 September 2008

Also re newman… sad to say, the announcement of his passing was not a surprise… it had recently been rumored a couple weeks ago that he had declined further treatment for his cancer, the implication being that he did not have very long.

95. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

SEC concedes Oversight Flaws Fueled Collapse.

“The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work,” he said in a statement. The program “was fundamentally flawed from the beginning, because investment banks could opt in or out of supervision voluntarily. The fact that investment bank holding companies could withdraw from this voluntary supervision at their discretion diminished the perceived mandate” of the program, and “weakened its effectiveness,” he added.

Mr. Cox and other regulators, including Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, and Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary, have acknowledged general regulatory failures over the last year. Mr. Cox’s statement on Friday, however, went beyond that by blaming a specific program for the financial crisis — and then ending it.

On one level, the commission’s decision to end the regulatory program was somewhat academic, because the five biggest independent Wall Street firms have all disappeared.


The investment banks favored the S.E.C. as their umbrella regulator because that let them avoid regulation of their fast-growing European operations by the European Union.


In 2002, the European Union threatened to impose its own rules on the foreign subsidiaries of the American investment banks. But there was a loophole: if the American companies were subject to the same kind of oversight as their European counterparts, then they would not be subject to the European rules. The loophole would require the commission to figure out a way to supervise the holding companies of the investment banks.

In 2004, at the urging of the investment banks, the commission adopted a voluntary program. In exchange for the relaxation of capital requirements by the commission, the banks agreed to submit to supervision of their holding companies by the agency.

96. NYCO - 27 September 2008

I noticed that Le Monde earlier had a headline that said: Paul Newman est mort.

Wow, that is the pinnacle of epitaphs, is it not? You know you’ve really made it when you get the French saying “est mort” after your name…

97. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

92 – Partial to the roasted garlic salsa, myself. FYI – Apparently the Organics line, launched by daughter Nell, is now a separate, for-profit entity that pays royalties to the parent outfit. CNN has an article on the Newman’s Own brands here.

93 – No clue!

98. marisacat - 27 September 2008

Re Newman

saw film of him a few months ago at a car race or rally or somthing or other. Looked like death then, tho much denials followed the exposure. Not too surprising (his dying), tho sometimes people can hang on…

For the French, he probably approached monstre sacre status. Anyway, ever since the clips from the car race day, I keep thinking of Hud, which was searing. I tried a few weeks ago to scare up some still shots from it online to use in something or other, but not that much was available.


Reading around this am, I was reminded that just a few years ago “Lehman Bros” was trolling around as “Shearson Lehman American Express”.

They do change their drag a lot.

99. diane - 27 September 2008

yeah NYCO, loved that cereal with the blueberries!



again, the SEC, only acknowledging their negligence when they hardly have a choice, really, really, really wants to change from the US accounting standards put in place after Enron to what is called International Accounting Standards (who’s running France et al……?)…there’s something putrid in those details…..despite what a cesspool the US is currently, Europe, among others have been cesspools for quite a long time……….to the minds of their ‘little folk’……

100. marisacat - 27 September 2008

Interesting article of McClatchy ‘s in the Miami Herald, on HUD block grants coming thru to the states to aid in foreclosure mess, from leg signed by Bush in July.

101. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

99 – Actually, I saw this article at BBC the other day, indicating that the French banks are weathering the storm better than many, thanks to historically cautious approaches to lending.

French hold out against credit crunch

France’s rate of growth is horribly sluggish – this year it looks set to hover around just 1%, meaning its likely to be way off target for meeting its promise to the EU to bring its budget deficit back under control by 2012.

But although its slow economy is hardly the envy of the world, its reluctance to tie its economy into the housing market in the same way the US did has also meant that when the American sub-prime market collapsed, it did not drag the French market with it.

There are far fewer household owners here than in the UK – about 57% of French people are on the property ladder, compared to 70% in the UK.

102. marisacat - 27 September 2008

well I never perceived the same appraoch to credit, not even to store charge accts, in France in terms of what is here. Always much more conservative, credit was a privilege basically… Nor was there a national overheated housing market. Just a very different approach.

I ahve read analyses of the UK under Thatcher, that she and her wave of bureaucrats did re work (or work at re working) the UK system, which previously had been “Building Societies” that one borrows from, often for an extended mortgage and 99 year leaseholds.

At least that was my impression over the past 20, 30 years.

America, every man a king, every home a castle. Til bankrupt.

103. diane - 27 September 2008


Actually, and wish I had’ve saved that WAPO link, I read the other day, that small US banks couldn’t be doing much better then they are…..It is possible that the larger French Banks have been prevented from a run, by not Disclosing the house of cards their financial sytem is built upon simply because they are not required to.

104. baypraire - 27 September 2008

since i AM semi-anonymous 🙂 i’ll confess that i like one of the other ritt directed films best. based on elmore leonard’s novel, Hombre.

105. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

Time for a new model of (post-bubble) affordable housing?

Sandbag House Wins Humanitarian Award

This week, the Curry Stone Design Prize was awarded to a South African architecture firm that figured out how to make a cheap house with a timber frame and a whole lot of sandbags. The houses are energy efficient and easily assembled, and could replace more hazardous structures in the shantytowns around Cape Town.

South African architect Luyanda Mphahlwa talks with Scott Simon about his prize-winning design.

More on the design from Marketwatch.

Jurors singled out MMA’s design for a single-family home, which leveraged a modest budget – equivalent to $6,900 – by borrowing elements from indigenous mud-and-wattle building techniques. Their two-story frame, made from timber and sandbag infill construction, is both energy efficient and requires little to no electricity or skilled labor to construct. MMA will complete 10 such houses by the end of the year.

Jurors commended MMA for creating an easily scalable prototype that can be built with unskilled labor from the local community: “The designers understand that the process facilitates people making these projects.”

106. Intermittent Bystander - 27 September 2008

Sandbag houses in moderation, I think.

107. diane - 27 September 2008

then again, I don’t know squat about the European financial system, but I do sense, their’s is no Rose Garden either, and they have a hideous stench ridden, oh so patronizing, heirachy system…….thinking again about that Baroness catnip posted about………

108. marisacat - 27 September 2008

Quite a few reports around that small US banks are doing fine, and are solvent… IF they did nto get drawn into the slippery game that is bringing down some of the big boys.

I thnk it was Jane Jacobs who, decades ago, to do wtih development, pointed out that “growth for the sake of growth” is the definition of cancer.

It’s been coming for a long time.


have to laugh, listening to Art Torres, the chairman of the CA DP, on local “Green 960” (nothing to do with the Green Party) another Dem aligned radio, and boy the Dems are working to play this in all directions… AT is running agaisnt Paulson, as tho Pelosi and Reid are not sucking at the teat.

Really an ugly period.

109. marisacat - 27 September 2008


Think Baroness Warnock is in the UK and was preselytising about dumping old people into their graves to save cash being spent on them thru the NHS

110. diane - 27 September 2008


yeah,……and ya have to say duh? …and oopsie, sorry!….. forgot you were one worth keeping alive?…when my momma was just put down by one of ya’ll out to save this earth,…simply because her ego wasn’t so, so fragile that she needed to have control over the country at large?

(not to mislead, speaking generally, my mom is still hanging in there…..)

111. marisacat - 27 September 2008


I had forgotten about Hombre Will pull up a review… With Hud, I saw it as a child, when ti came out. Still remember the theatre that night, out Geary Blvd. Several early 60s pictures I saw at that age stayed with me, in singular fashion. Another was the stupefyingly amazing The Pumpkin Eater

112. diane - 27 September 2008

hankies ……all around to those who are stumbling and perhaps in mortal danger (please don’t go there, it’s not your time), onto their follies….not to met mention assholes, didn’t ya see it?…we all have our hanky moments…………..

113. diane - 27 September 2008

jeez I’ve shunned so many movies……must see Hombre……and must make it to the backlogged songs of those that quite love to rub the skin off their sweet kissable fingers making music for eternity……………..

114. marisacat - 27 September 2008

Here is the IMDb page for Hombre


115. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

105. I’ve always wanted to build a straw bale house ever since I read about them decades ago in Mother Earth News. A few years ago I also heard about the Red Feather housing project which I thought was a great idea for any community.

If I had money and a bit of land, that’s what I’d do.

116. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

Je suis en spam.

117. diane - 27 September 2008

…..speakin of rubbin those fingers raw, just found Jose Feliciano on Soul train….California Dreamin and Light My Fire…..pardon me, but that album, Feliciano, Feliciano, Feliciano,……warmed me so, in my adolescence,…wish I could’ve found The Last Thing on My Mind………. Nena……..Sunny…….Don’t let the Sun Catch You Cryin……

118. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

He was in so many great films. Hard to pick one as a favorite.

119. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008


I suppose people take this shit very seriously; me, I don’t see how you can. Consider our situation. Barack Obama won last night’s debate by speaking clearly, fluently, and like an adult about things that were palpably untrue, while John McCain kept implying that I am his friend. Obama terrifies me: an intelligent, thoughtful, well-prepared, capably extemporaneous man ascribing a future holocaust to some sort of non-existent, fantastical, steroidal Iran; talking about unsanctioned cross-border incursions into Pakistan because we found bin Laden, or some such, and must “take him out”; warbling around about “main street” while, in a lawerly, circumlocutory way signaling that he’s ultimately going to get behind hundred-billion-dollar cash bailouts to institutions that ought to be dismantled, destroyed, scattered to the wind. He wants GM to make electric cars. He wants the American people to know that he will appear before them to make extravagant xenophobic declarations in order to assuage their insecurity about the rise of other competing economies. He does this all in a calm, perfectly reasonable manner, with a convincing boardroom demeanor, and judging by the reactions of my liberal friends, with whom I listened, this was basically pleasing to them.

120. baypraire - 27 September 2008

interesting stuff at wiki on ritt and newman

This (Hombre) was the sixth and final time Ritt directed Newman, they had previously worked together on The Long Hot Summer, Paris Blues, Hemingway’s Adventures of a Young Man, Hud (1963 film) and The Outrage.


“Hombre” is Paul Newman’s fourth and final “H” film of the 1960’s, a quartet that includes The Hustler (film), Harper (film), and another of his six collaborations with Martin Ritt, Hud (film). In all of these films Newman perfected the role of the anti-hero, a type of character he is closely associated with. Newman’s anti-hero culminated with Cool Hand Luke in 1967, and he played one version in the lesser known Paris Blues, which was also directed by Martin Ritt.

haven’t seen the pumpkin eater nor several of the above either (i dont think). have to pencil them in.

121. marisacat - 27 September 2008


I read one review of The Big Slobber at Invesco field… it mentioned that when he promised “coming conflicts” young people wearing peace signs, cheered.

Lotta self hypnosis going on.

May they live with the Jesus they bargained for and with. That’s all I ask.

122. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008


and judging by the reactions of my liberal friends, with whom I listened, this was basically pleasing to them.

I’ve struggled all day (the parts of which I was awake) to figure out what to write about the debate. I agree with IOZ – I don’t know how so-called liberals can applaud what went on last nite. I don’t think anybody won, including the American public.

123. baypraire - 27 September 2008

poking around at wiki it reminds that hud was based on a larry mcmurtry novel. before he moved away from houston he was also a bookseller of used/collectable/rare books, i was never in his houston store :::sigh:::: he moved a decade too soon. the one hes running now, booked up, is supposed to be something to see. according to wiki it is:

arguably the largest single used bookstore in the United States, carrying somewhere between 400,000 and 450,000 titles

its in archer city tx though, up by wichita falls. no way am i driving to wichita falls.

124. marisacat - 27 September 2008


it was loaded with low points. Filled with war and, frankly, they were too alike for my taste.

125. diane - 27 September 2008


I hope his bookstore remains open, in this neck of the woods (which will go unmentioned)…independently owned bookstores (bakeries, music stores, machine shops, auto mechanics, grocery stores (outside of those breaking labor laws to survive), et al, are apparently depasse (sic?)…………..it’s a defense company town…much like the old westinghouse communities….tried to live in what appeared a more human friendly, dynamic area when I first moved to this state…wasn’t affordable………………there are so many myths that eventually will be revealed for what they are….myths….

126. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

the worst part was when they waved the dead corpses of the two soldiers around the stage to make rhetorical points.

I felt physically sick.

127. diane - 27 September 2008

How anal I am…actually, now that I ponder,..all wasn’t clear a few posts ago…okay you techie nerds (the few with a guaranteed (such a difficult word that I’ve just likely misspelled) minimum salary of at least $45 dollars per, at least in one state) at wordpress…Choke it the Fuck Up – Wiki vs. 10K filing..or something to that effect……………..harumph……………

128. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

126. And then there was Obama mentioning that “over 4,000” American soldiers had died. I guess it’s not important to have the exact number anymore. What’s a few hundred here and there?

129. baypraire - 27 September 2008

I hope his bookstore remains open

yeah me too. wiki says he came close to closing it in 2005 but kept it open due to customer requests. i suppose he does a lot of business over the phone. the website is here.

having a bookseller like that, especially in a ungodly godforsaken place like texas is much like finding a secret, hidden grotto in the desert containing a waterfall fed by artesian springs that always flow at exactly 72 degrees :). whats sad is the best ones around me are gone. still one or two though. that link goes to one i didn’t miss out on, but people die, or move on or go out of business due to the chains.

he also doesn’t carry his own books. which i like and is a good idea.

thats style.

130. baypraire - 27 September 2008


yes the good housekeeping seal of moral bankruptcy. wonder how many noticed?

pimping mother’s dead sons and daughters to score political points using rubber ribbon wrist metaphors. the best reason i can think of to skip them on the ballot. political zombies who feast from corpses.

131. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

Apparently, McCain is a low-ranking monkey.

132. diane - 27 September 2008

yes…and quite belated response…but Howdie Doodie to you also Obama..I mean really ……….wont’ be votin for McCrank…but you are certainly not so very Fine yourself……

133. baypraire - 27 September 2008

3 link bookpost in moderation! i should know better! woohoo

134. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2008

129. the website is here.

Yikes that’s hard to read. Too bad because I collect rare and first edition books. (Buy low, sell high – that is, when I actually get around to selling them). I also started a mini-collection of mid-century (and older) etiquette and marriage advice type books for women. Good for a laugh. 😉

135. diane - 27 September 2008


Bay one of the most heartbreaking store closings that has happened in this neck of the woods lately was a music store, which sold tons of sheet music and books, a one of kind place that one might expect, in an ooh so correct place as this place pats itself on the back for,….not to close down…I fear..we’ll all wake up one day and wonder what the fuck we allowed to happen…actually, I realize…much of it has already happened……………

136. marisacat - 27 September 2008


think it just moved into place at # 129

… 8)

137. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

Maybe they should just wheel a soldier that’s been freshly killed out on stage next time, anoint the candidates’ foreheads with his/her blood like they do kids who take their first deer. They could eat his/her heart to absorb the courage of the fallen. Hell, while they’re at it maybe our Warrior in Chief should adopt their fallen’s spouse and children.

138. diane - 27 September 2008

more re that fine human bean….

Cat on a Hot Tinned Roof jump off Maggie…jump off….

139. marisacat - 27 September 2008

And they’d both do it. Be a fearful race between them who could get to the body first…

140. diane - 27 September 2008

The Long Hot Summer…

141. baypraire - 27 September 2008

here’s the boy

James McMurtry “We can’t make it here

High school girl with a bourgeois dream
Just like the pictures in the magazine
She found on the floor of the laundromat
A woman with kids can forget all that
If she comes up pregnant what’ll she do
Forget the career, forget about school
Can she live on faith? live on hope?
High on Jesus or hooked on dope
When it’s way too late to just say no
You can’t make it here anymore

Now I’m stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
‘Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can’t make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I’m in
Should I hate ’em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They’ve never known want, they’ll never know need
Their shit don’t stink and their kids won’t bleed
Their kids won’t bleed in the damn little war
And we can’t make it here anymore

Will work for food
Will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
Let ’em eat jellybeans let ’em eat cake
Let ’em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can’t make it here anymore

142. baypraire - 27 September 2008

I fear..we’ll all wake up one day and wonder what the fuck we allowed to happen…actually, I realize…much of it has already happened……………

yeah its laughable. what people call progress these days often isn’t.

and yes catnip. that website sucks! no “professionals” coding those pages. haha. i bet interesting people answer the phones and in archer city have time to talk. i mean who the heck would put a bookstore smack dab in the middle of the last picture show? when i get laid off (again) i should ask them if they’re hiring.

143. diane - 27 September 2008


Maybe they should just wheel a soldier that’s been freshly killed out on stage next time, anoint the candidates’ foreheads with his/her blood ….

Don’t give them any new ideas…..

144. diane - 27 September 2008


so pathetic….we have murderous people who never seem to be without ‘jobs’ with obscene salaries, yet those who want no more than a small space and some friends live in constant fear of being without any means of paying for the least things they need to stay alive…..in constant fear of losing jobs, not due to incompetence, but due to the stock put into the opinions of those who generally have never lived in the shoes of those whose lives they make unbearable, and if they have lived in those shoes, it most certainly, was not for long because they had no compunction about going for that ugly gold and letting others suffer as they may……

145. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2008

141 – such a great song

146. diane - 27 September 2008


love that…

147. marisacat - 27 September 2008

gnu thred…………………….


…………………….. 8) ……………………

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