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Denial… 2 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

The past as prologue? Lining up for food and water, Louisville, Kentucky, 1937. [Margaret Bourke-White/Time & Life Pictures/Getty Images.]

That river in Egypt.

[I snagged the MB-W image from VF, a current interview with Stiglitz ]



1. liberalcatnip - 2 October 2008

Howard Fineman on Palin: “A wolverine attacking the pant leg of a passerby.”

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2008

say brother, can you spare a dime bag?

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2008
4. liberalcatnip - 2 October 2008

I still have one more debate to sit through tonite – the rerun of this evening’s English language debate with the leaders of the 5 main Canadian political parties. That starts in an hour and a half. Oy vey, as they say. IV caffeine stat.

5. marisacat - 2 October 2008


10.22 pm. Biden’s answer about his kids, the moment when he clearly choked up, was emotionally very powerful. I expect it will resonate more with women.

I don’t think so, frankly. Such bullshit.

Fallows – quoted at Sully site – says the loser was Ifill, she was so bad.

Ifill, moderator: Terrible. Yes, she was constrained by the agreed debate rules. But she gave not the slightest sign of chafing against them or looking for ways to follow up the many unanswered questions or self-contradictory answers. This was the big news of the evening. Katie Couric, and for that matter Jim Lehrer, have never looked so good.

Everybody has their loves. And non loves… LOL


It seems on pro O’Biden spots it is illegal to mention his sighing. What a hoot. It was certainly noticeable.

6. liberalcatnip - 2 October 2008

I think she made a faux pas when she didn’t acknowledge why Biden choked up (even if people don’t fall for it). She didn’t show any compassion whatsoever and simply went on her merry way with her talking points.

I’m sure she did extremely well with the Airhead-American population.

7. liberalcatnip - 2 October 2008

I should add that I don’t think Biden manufactured that moment. It did look spontaneous and seemed to catch him off guard. But we all know how people reacted to Hillary when she showed a hint of emotion. People will be skeptical.

8. marisacat - 2 October 2008

He and his sons do it on cue. I have heard that story, seen the choking and tears, til I am dead with it. Death Of Wade, Death Of the Biden Wife and wee one. Heroically took the oath of office by the bedside of his seriously ill sons… and heroically bore up tot eh return to the Senate.

There is a story I posted, ignored by MSM, that for 36 years he has claimed the truck driver was drunk, for which there is absolutely no proof. He should be happy with the damned Xmas tree riding atop the car. Enough bathos.

Hillary’s I thought was half and half. It started with some real emotion from whereever. Could even be fatigue or hitting a wall.. but very quickly became political.

As long as it gets bought it will get sold. Not that it matters, these people often have a story like this. Gore’s sisster, the elder Bushes the daughtter who died, etc. They pull it out on cue.

One reason, Clinton Bimbo Explosion was almsot a relief. We did nto have to hear about some death.

NOR does the world need JJackson jr (the Obama surrogate the son) and others stating “the tears must be investigated” or whatever slobber they dished that week in NH. I don’t think women much cared for that bullshit either.

9. CSTAR - 2 October 2008

The debate? Ah shucks, I missed it.

10. liberalcatnip - 2 October 2008

8. Hmm…well I wonder how much blowback he’ll get about it then.

11. marisacat - 2 October 2008

Steny dishes denial in the WSJ. Many bridges for sale.

The Treasury secretary’s spending decisions will be subject to strong oversight and judicial review.

Few of us, if any, are happy with every change. But Rep. Frank put it well: “If we aren’t prepared to accept some of the things we don’t like, we will not have the power to deliver for the people we care about.”

For me, those people are families unable to take out a loan to buy an appliance or pay for college; Americans who have worked their whole lives, only to see their retirement accounts threatened; and millions of workers fearing a pink slip they did nothing to earn.

12. raincat100 - 2 October 2008

Can Palin form a sentence without using the word “also” in it?

13. raincat100 - 2 October 2008

Liberalcatnip 6 and 7


I caught it the first time and watched a clip of it again. I do think it was a genuine moment for Biden. Palin’s demeanor after this moment was bot-like and creepy.

Overall, she seemed to be reciting index-card paragraphs for answers to questions. Not that she was actually *answering* the questions.

14. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008
15. NYCO - 3 October 2008

I didn’t watch it. Sounds like it was a waste of time anyway.

16. bayprairie - 3 October 2008

the spectacle of liars calling other liars liars is hypocritical beyond belief.

screw them all.

17. bayprairie - 3 October 2008

There is a story I posted, ignored by MSM, that for 36 years he has claimed the truck driver was drunk, for which there is absolutely no proof.

i did see a little bit of noise about that, and the story i saw contained proof, via the related records that there wasn’t any drunken driving involved. don’t have a link though. ioz nails him though.

biden is a bullshit artist. a few years back worked with a saleswoman for length of time who had similar skills, and could tear up on demand if business required a favorable settlement regarding disputed billing, leads me to be believe he can summon it on cue. her moments were also 100% genuine as well, but she turned them on and off. its no different than an acting skill.

18. bayprairie - 3 October 2008

oh, have to credit ioz for painting biden with the label of bullshit artist. he’s made a few posts a week or so ago going into detail about it. they’re quite funny.

19. bayprairie - 3 October 2008

and maybe next week a comment of mine will actually be clear and you wont have to skip so many when you read down! outa here!

20. Intermittent Bystander - 3 October 2008

The shakedown proceeds apace in the House.

Dem switchers include Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, Donna Edwards, John Lewis, among others.

21. Intermittent Bystander - 3 October 2008

Meanwhile, in Rome, Pope reaffirms Church opposition to contraception.

VATICAN CITY (AFP) – Pope Benedict XVI on Friday reaffirmed the Catholic Church’s condemnation of artificial birth control, a position that has driven millions of people away from the faith.

Contraception “means negating the intimate truth of conjugal love, with which the divine gift (of life) is communicated,” the leader of the world’s 1.1 billion Roman Catholics wrote on the 40th anniversary of a papal encyclical on the controversial topic.

No funsies without onesies, ladies!

In reaffirming the position, the pope rejected an appeal for a retraction by some 60 Catholic groups in July who said the Church’s stance had been “catastrophic” for the world’s poorest and weakest.

The letter by dissident Catholic bodies from countries including Britain, Brazil, Canada, France and the United States said the Church’s opposition to birth control endangered women’s lives and exposed millions of people to the risk of contracting AIDS.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 3 October 2008

I think Ratzy went splatzy into spam.

23. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Sorry IB

… was making cofee… 8)

24. marisacat - 3 October 2008


.. think he also called the Democrats the death killer ray party, a few days ago…

I had to let it go .. even with all the Ratzy photos and cartoons over at Flickr to haul out again… too much other news.

25. marisacat - 3 October 2008


One reason the progressives don’t matter. At all. I heard recently Barbara Lee owes her poltiical career to Ron Dellums over in Oakland. Who has shafted the people of Oakland, lowlands AND heights, from day one.

I read that Bobby Rush, he an old Black Panther, went over and changed his vote to YES afterward, indicating when it comes up again, he is with them. Cleaver changed a few (2 maybe?) days ago, much slobber. Think ObMan spoke to the nearly all sold out anyway CBC a few days ago.

So let’s see, war and massive irresponsibility as naked fiduciary absconding is on the menu for the next admin, no matter who.

IT PASSED 241 – 163 26 Non Voting…

Democrats 159 Yes

26. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

$700bn is on the march.

yea – 263
nay – 171
you’re all fucking nuts, I quit – 0

27. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Nancy blithering on about hearings now that will be held. Waxman figures high on her list. She is all about the future.

“High flyers on Wall St will no longer be able to jeopardise the financial security of America… we are all free marketers, it is part of our Democracy”

On and on she went. She is “all about the future, the country will be taken in a new direction now for the middle class”.


28. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Steny up now slobbering over Barney.

Gonna be a long 4 years.

29. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Apparnetly we are in line, beggar of beggars.

[C]alifornia finance experts say they know of no time in recent history when the state has sought an emergency loan of this magnitude from the federal government. The only other such rescue was in 1975, they said, when the federal government lent New York City money to avoid bankruptcy.

“Absent a clear resolution to this financial crisis,” Schwarzenegger wrote in a letter Thursday evening e-mailed to Paulson, “California and other states may be unable to obtain the necessary level of financing to maintain government operations and may be forced to turn to the federal treasury for short-term financing.”

The letter, obtained by The Times, came on the eve of a vote by the House of Representatives on a $700-billion rescue package, but it was too soon to know how the package would affect the nation’s paralyzed credit markets. The Senate approved the so-called rescue bill Wednesday night./snip/

The propaganda this week was intense. Apparently all sorts of “small business” [not meaning mom and pop tiny businesses], car dealers, builders and developers created a groundswell of communication to congressional offices, turning the ratio to 50/50

30. Intermittent Bystander - 3 October 2008
31. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Thanks for that IB…

It’s a Democratic bill. So many little Bushies. And finally true to themselves.

have to laugh.

32. NYCO - 3 October 2008

Bill passes and the Dow has sunk into the red. Yeah, that really helped.

33. marisacat - 3 October 2008

from what i saw, dow sank pronto…………..

not getting mentioned much however. would not fit the script……..

34. marisacat - 3 October 2008

BW yesterday via der spiegel

Buffett on the Horn

Lobbyists are pulling out all the stops. And word is that House leaders won’t bring the bill to a vote at all unless they are sure—really, absolutely sure—that it will pass. Democrats were set to caucus at 6:30 p.m. ET Thursday. Meantime, rumors raced that the Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffett himself, had been calling lawmakers to urge passage. His $5 billion investment in Goldman Sachs and $3 billion investment in General Electic could run into big trouble if the package does not go forward. (Buffett’s office declined to comment.)

“I hate to say it, but the Dow being down 300 points (BusinessWeek.com, 10/2/08) helps the vote count,” says one well-connected Republican lobbyist from the manufacturing sector.

ugh the Oracle of Omaha.. who actually, really and truly lives in a (valuation as of about 4 years ago) 5 million dollar house in Newport Beach.

35. marisacat - 3 October 2008

According to Dean Baker… does not look like the credit squeeze was any tighter than 1991

[J]ust to remind everyone, the cause is the loss of more than $4 trillion in housing equity due to the collapse of the housing bubble. The collapse of this bubble has not only devastated the construction and real estate market, it also has forced consumers to cut back. Tens of millions of homeowners no longer have any equity against which to borrow. Even those who still have equity realize that they will have to increase their savings to support themselves in retirement.

And all this came about because the experts who are now insisting that we need a bailout had previously insisted that there was no housing bubble and that everything was just fine. It is always important to keep things in context

36. NYCO - 3 October 2008

There is nothing to fear! It is all clear!


37. marisacat - 3 October 2008

FWIW – via NRO / Geraghty

Big, Big Audience Last Night

I think we’ve probably seen the last presidential debate on a Friday night for a while.

Last week’s presidential debate had an audience of about 52 million. They’re talking 70 million to 75 million for last night’s Palin-Biden showdown. (Variety)

10/03 02:07 PM

38. bayprairie - 3 October 2008

What I’ve noted more than anything else during the debate in the progressive community over the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 is a startling lack of wide-lens analysis.

yet plenty of “progressive community analysis” as viewed through the ole’ bottom of a beer mug lens. funny how that works. analysis like this:

Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, you now own the problem. And you will drop a lot of the ideological rigidity that has defined your party for the last fourteen years (at least) to look for anything that might work.


39. marisacat - 3 October 2008

LOL I guess that is a Deep Thought…

IIRC Al Franken used to do those while looking in a big big mirror (and in a woman’s light blue sweater). In a self appreciating way………………….

40. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Floyd Norris:

[A]s the ideas fly for saving the financial system, it is amazing — and appalling — how many of them seem to be straight out of the playbook from the savings and loan crisis.

Then, as now, Congress decided to reassure investors by more than doubling the amount of deposits that could be insured. Then, as now, legislators put pressure on regulators to change accounting rules to make the financial institutions look healthier than they were.

“It turned a $25 billion problem into a $350 billion problem,” said Robert R. Glauber, who was under secretary of the Treasury from 1989 to 1993 and put together the Resolution Trust Corporation, which eventually sold off all the bad assets the government received from failed savings and loan associations.

The raising of the deposit guarantee limits in 1980 to $100,000, from $40,000, made depositors less concerned about the health of their institution, and made it easier for dying institutions to attract deposits. Raising the figure to $250,000 now could have the same effect. [LOL I called it, penny candy to the diabetics –Mcat]

In 1981, regulators allowed troubled savings and loans to issue pieces of paper with the Orwellian name of “income capital certificates.” In fact, the thrifts had neither income nor capital, but the certificates allowed them to pretend they were solvent. That let them stay in business for years to come, during which time they could gamble, and lose, much more money.[…]

41. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

36. http://recessionblocker.com

lol…and it goes right along with the title of this thread.


Even those who still have equity realize that they will have to increase their savings to support themselves in retirement.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I play on one the internets. What struck me when I read that was this push that’s been made against government- sponsored social security the past few years to be replaced by private savings accounts. Hmmm…

42. marisacat - 3 October 2008

LOL Down lost 157 pts. They explain as “higher earlier, there was profit taking”.

Ok…. …. 😉

43. CSTAR - 3 October 2008

Son of Bailout is in gestation

44. marisacat - 3 October 2008


I don’t see a MIA comment, not in Moderation and not in Spam… will give it a minute ot two, it has posted a couple of mine very slowly today…

45. CSTAR - 3 October 2008

43 was my comment. Krugman now tells us to expect another bailout.

46. marisacat - 3 October 2008


well I gave it 8 minutes, I think WP hiccuped… I am sorry CSTAR, would it be easy to repost?

47. marisacat - 3 October 2008


Got it!

I thought you were lightheartedly alerting me to a comment in Spam…


48. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Here is the link to Krugman

I hope he realises how useless the last grafs are. Unless one loves ObMan and believes he is Jesus, there is nothing to inspire confidence…

49. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Meet the Press: Dem strategist Begala, GOP strategist Mike Murphy

Face the Nation: Sen. Feinstein, Gov. Granholm

Fox News Sunday: Karl Rove

This Week: Govs. Rendell, Pawlenty, Sens. Mel Martinez, Sherrod Brown

Late Edition: McCain aide Nancy Pfotenhauer

50. marisacat - 3 October 2008

hmmm news just said that Down closed at its lowest this year. Down 27%… Nasdaq down 31& and S&P down 30%,

Well not that it matters but I think I got the percentages assigned to the right index.

Party like its some bad year in the past…

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008
52. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

American Fascist Writer Westbrook Pegler

“Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin quoted an unidentified “writer” who extolled the virtues of small-town America: “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” (9/3/08) The unidentified writer was Westbrook Pegler (1894-1969), the ultraconservative newspaper columnist whose widely syndicated columns (at its peak, 200 newspapers and 12 million readers) targeted the New Deal establishment, labor leaders, intellectuals, homosexuals, Jews, and poets.”

53. Intermittent Bystander - 3 October 2008

Awwww. . . . who said there was no bailout plan for homeowners?

Fannie Mae forgives loan for woman who shot herself.

(CNN) — Fannie Mae said it will set aside the loan of a woman who shot herself as sheriff’s deputies tried to evict her from her foreclosed home.

Addie Polk, 90, of Akron, Ohio, became a symbol of the nation’s home mortgage crisis when she was hospitalized after shooting herself at least twice in the upper body Wednesday afternoon.

On Friday, Fannie Mae spokesman Brian Faith said the mortgage association had decided to halt action against Polk and sign the property “outright” to her.

“We’re going to forgive whatever outstanding balance she had on the loan and give her the house,” Faith said. “Given the circumstances, we think it’s appropriate.”

Residents of Akron have rallied behind Polk, who is being treated at Akron General Medical Center. She was listed in critical condition Friday afternoon, according to Akron City Council President Marco Sommerville.

U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, mentioned Polk on the House floor Friday during debate over the latest economic rescue proposal.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008
55. marisacat - 3 October 2008

hmm speaking of the poor lady… what a horrible story. So kind of Fred/Fan. What would we do without them.

Cuahgt a segment today of a ongoing plan that goes after some of the mortgages, if people have all their closing papers saved and thus relevant issues can be tracked down, as illegal loans, beyond simply predatory loans, but illegal as fraud, under Fair Housing Act, Truth in Lending Act, HUD regs and other, as the fellow said, 40 year old legislation (and watch that be torn down under Ob, I thought to myself)…

he had a site http://www.voidmymortgage.com

Also it does not sound as tho there is a single consideration for the defrauded homeowner under the Bail Out, but all sorts of secifically written tax dodges for slices of business. Lobbyists made out like bandits. as did some business people.

56. marisacat - 3 October 2008


well if they were, threatened with martial law, the Democrats were fully in league with Bush on that.

I’d say they have the keys to the meat locker, as of now, for delivering congress and the American people to Bush and Dem cronies.

Certainly the Dems are indicating they are positive, certain, pregnant with the reality that they win in Nov. No questions.

LOL Let the hubris fly.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Perrin blogs the debate:

IFILL: We’ll stay with you, Governor. What is your view about gays in society? Do you support gay marriage?

PALIN: I’m soooo tickled you asked me that, Gwen. First, let me say that I’m very tolerant of homosexuals. I’ve known a few in my life, and have even shaken their hands on occasion — wearing surgical gloves, of course. This dress was designed by a homosexual in Anchorage named Paprika, and he wears a turban and a monocle. So I’m pretty comfy with the gays. As for them marrying each other, excuse me but ewwwwwwww! It makes my tummy squishy. I mean, gracious, who’s the wife and who’s the husband? Is it the hairier gay? In my view, marriage should be between a man and a woman, or a teenage boy and girl, especially if she’s about to be a “Baby Mama.” (laughs to herself) That was my Tina Fey impression.

IFILL: Very funny, Governor. Sen Biden?

BIDEN: Gwen, Sen. Obama and myself also oppose gay marriage, but we accept gay couples, especially those in higher tax brackets who contribute money to our campaign. Gay people can do whatever they want — one-on-one, in groups, through glory holes, using toys and gels, wearing leather masks — but they can’t get married. And I say that as someone who, as a younger man, sucked dick to make ends meet. From Wilmington to Scranton, in train stations, bus terminals, alleys, the backseats of cars. Ten bucks a pop, at least eight times a day. And while that stretch of my life prepared me for a political career, it didn’t prepare me for marriage. That was a whole different set of muscles.

IFILL: Let’s talk foreign policy. Which of you is the biggest supporter of Israel?

BIDEN: Gwen, there’s no doubt that it’s me, and anyone who says different is a Holocaust denier. I’ve helped Israel acquire the latest in advanced weaponry, defended its bombing of refugee camps, and helped establish special relationships between the Jewish state and various narco-states which will remain nameless. You ask anyone in Washington who gives Israel whatever it wants, 24/7, save for High Holy Days, and they’ll tell you, “Bibi” Biden.

PALIN: No Gwen, I’m Israel’s biggest supporter. That’s where Jesus lived before the Jews sold him out to the Romans. But this campaign is not about dwelling on the past, it’s about focusing on the future. And John McCain and myself see a future where Israel serves its Biblical purpose as the center of Armageddon, when Jesus returns to usher in an eternal kingdom on Earth, the wicked punished, the righteous rewarded, and John McCain in the White House! We look forward to working with the Son of Man to help get this economy moving again!

BIDEN: No Gwen, it’s me! I’m the only circumcised person on this stage!

PALIN: Well, I’m wearing Star of David panties!

BIDEN: I’ve got a dreidel shoved up my ass!

IFILL: Okay! Let’s call it a draw. You both love Israel.

BIDEN: Damn straight!

PALIN: You’re darn tootin’!

58. marisacat - 3 October 2008


BIDEN: No Gwen, it’s me! I’m the only circumcised person on this stage!

PALIN: Well, I’m wearing Star of David panties!

BIDEN: I’ve got a dreidel shoved up my ass!

IFILL: Okay! Let’s call it a draw. You both love Israel.

BIDEN: Damn straight!

PALIN: You’re darn tootin’!

Surely one of them has a fiddler on their roof…

59. AlanSmithee - 3 October 2008

There’s never a vampire around when you really neede one. (Like 2000, fer instance.)

So-Called Vampire Jailed For Threatening Bush, Court Official

ALTAMONT, Tenn. – One of Middle Tennessee’s newest residents is a man of many titles.

Jonathon Sharkey said he’s a presidential candidate, a former wrestler and a vampire.

He is in jail, charged with threatening the president and a court official.

Sharkey faces felony charges in Minnesota and Indiana.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Surely one of them has a fiddler on their roof…

they were certainly singing this for their friends today:

The most important men in town would come to fawn on me!
They would ask me to advise them,
Like a Solomon the Wise.
“If you please, Reb Tevye…”
“Pardon me, Reb Tevye…”
Posing problems that would cross a rabbi’s eyes!
And it won’t make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong.
When you’re rich, they think you really know!

If I were rich, I’d have the time that I lack
To sit in the synagogue and pray.
And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall.
And I’d discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours every day.
That would be the sweetest thing of all.

Chris Floyd:

You’ve seen the news. You know the score. The House of Representatives has now completed the economic terrorist attack inflicted on the American people by the nation’s elite.

The bailout bill — or as Arthur Silber more rightly terms it, the “Extortion Bill” — is already law, thanks to the Democrats in Congress, and to Barack Obama, who spent the day working the phones and twisting arms to make sure the $700 billion bonanza for the filthy rich passed without any more of the hiccups that held it up earlier this week.

The plan that Obama made his own — despite its origins in the poison kitchen of the Bush White House — is far worse than the version voted down on Monday. Every reputable economic expert says that the plan is unworkable; it will not solve the problems at the root of the current economic crisis, but will only make them worse. It entrenches many of the fraudulent practices that led to the meltdown in the first place, and rewards the perpetrators for their misdeeds with a gargantuan amount of public money, which they can now use to carry on largely as before, albeit with a few new toothless “oversight” mechanisms operated by their own Wall Street cronies, and their bribed-and-bought hirelings on Capitol Hill.

There were many viable, reasonable, eminently centrist alternatives to the radical, plutocratic Bush-Obama scam — alternatives which would have been politically palatable to a broad spectrum of the electorate. One of the best ones of this ilk that I’ve seen was outlined in the eminently mainstream Washington Post earlier this week by two eminently respectable Yale economists. (You can find it here.) There were many other such practical and effective plans offered by reputable experts, any one of which could have gone a long way toward protecting ordinary citizens now exposed by the meltdown, supporting the banks, and stabilizing the markets — all without effecting one of the largest single redistributions of wealth since the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in 1917.

None of these plans were considered or debated or even mentioned, not even for a single moment, by the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate. Instead, they joined the Republican leadership and the Bush Administration in repeating, over and over, the Big Lie that there was NO OTHER CHOICE but some basic version of the unworkable Bush plan. The Democrats — led by Barack Obama — not only threw a political lifeline to the most despised president in American history (in the middle of an election year!), they deliberately took ownership of a measure widely rejected by the American public — a class war weapon of mass destruction whose malign effects will reverberate through American society for years, perhaps generations to come.

Why have they done this? Why would they do such a thing? Why would they commit such an egregious offense against their own people, when they could have very easily NOT done it, and had the near-unanimous support of the American electorate in standing up to the Bush plan and choosing some other completely mainstream alternative?

You already know the answer. It’s because they do not serve the American people. They serve a very small yet brutally powerful ruling class. And this elite wanted the Bush-Obama extortion plan, and no other, to make sure their power and privilege were not unduly threatened by the debacle that their own monstrous greed and fraud have made.

61. marisacat - 3 October 2008

hmm they do get upset when you threaten A Chosen One.

62. marisacat - 3 October 2008


it’s sad… people are still voting for Obama, believing he feels for them and wants a better life for Americans.

Well, it’s nto sad, it’s tragic. Sorry I have to live in their fucked brand of America. But, what cost to flip a switch and wipe away the stain of slavery. More sacrifice for fiction.

Go for it. Jsut don’t fucking whine when it is not as painted in the children’s bed time stories that are being told.


LOL just hearing that Citibank and Wells Fargo are fighting over who has the right to buy Wachovia. GOOD LUCK!

63. NYCO - 3 October 2008

57. (helpless laughter, thanks)

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008
65. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Roubini: Financial and Corporate System is in Cardiac Arrest: The Risk of the Mother of All Bank Runs

It is now clear that the US financial system – and now even the system of financing of the corporate sector – is now in cardiac arrest and at a risk of a systemic financial meltdown. I don’t use these words lightly but at this point we have reached the final 12th step of my February paper on “The Risk of a Systemic Financial Meltdown: 12 Steps to a Financial Disaster” (Step 9 or the collapse of the major broker dealers has already widely occurred).

snippity snip through a long list of horrors, then:

The suggested policy actions are extreme and radical but the times and conditions in financial markets and the corporate sector are also extreme. Thus, to avoid another Great Depression radical and unorthodox policy action needs to be taken now both in the US and in other advanced economies as the credit crisis and liquidity crisis is now becoming virulent even in Europe and other advanced economies. This credit crisis is both a crisis of confidence and illiquidity and a crisis of credit and solvency. But while the insolvent institutions should go bust we have now reached a point where many financial institutions and now non financial firms may become insolvent because of pure illiquidity; and this would lead to an extremely severe economic contraction similar to an economic depression rather than a mild recession. At this point the US, the advanced economies (and now likely even some emerging market economies) will experience an ugly recession and an ugly financial and banking crisis regardless of what we do from now on. What radical policy action can only do is preventing what will now be an ugly and nasty two-year recession and financial crisis from turning into a systemic meltdown and a decade long economic depression. The financial and economic conditions are extreme; thus extreme policy action is needed now to save the global economy from an ugly depression.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

vote for the milf in moderation, I think!

67. marisacat - 3 October 2008


is that 64 or is there another on MILF (what a hoot!)

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

yup, 64! (should have timed it for comment 69, just to keep the theme goin’, don’tcha know?)

Lil’ O’Reilly

69. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

Not much chatter about the bailout visible at Daily Obama.

Joke from Air Farce (canuck comedy show):

What would Stephen Harper do if Canada’s economy failed?

Harper: That’s easy. Just turn Canada into a bank and wait for the US to bail us out.

70. marisacat - 3 October 2008

ugh reading the Roubini… I am wondering, not to sound as lugubrious as Feldstein on Charlie Rose… but i think a two year recession is optimisitc.

A few weeks ago we heard of houses in quite a few counties in CA down 30 – 35% but now we hear of down 50% and San Jose Merc News today had an article that houses will continue to fall and for up to two years. (They also said that developers are giving up on selling condos in SJ and are turning them out on the rental market.)

YOu cannot come out of that fast.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

For you NY’ers:

Project Beuller

Might as well dance through the collapse, and breakfast in the ruins.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Speaking of BIDEN: Gwen, Sen. Obama and myself also oppose gay marriage, but we accept gay couples, especially those in higher tax brackets who contribute money to our campaign. :

Biden, k.d. Headed to Soho

At an October 6 reception at the Soho home of Judy and Steven Gluckstern, between 80 and 120 members of New York’s LGBT community will pay $10,000 each to spend time with Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden and several senior advisers to Barack Obama, including out gay deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand.

The event will raise money for the Obama Victory Fund, a joint enterprise of the presidential nominee’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee that allows donors to give more than the $2,300 limit on direct contributions to a candidate, and is one, Hildebrand said, of “not enough” such events being held with LGBT crowds across the country.

“On the fundraising side, we haven’t done a lot of events that are specific to one community or another,” he explained.

The size and affluence of New York’s gay community likely made a high-tariff event of this size more feasible here than in most American cities – and it certainly couldn’t have hurt that k.d. lang was available to calm folks down in the event that they have to wait for Biden’s arrival.

But gay money is being raised in group settings elsewhere as well. As Hildebrand spoke to Gay City News by telephone on October 1, he was just about to walk into a room with a group of LGBT donors in Las Vegas “to pitch for some serious money.”

He explained, though that most efforts with LGBT voters are focused on registering them, developing get-out-the-vote efforts, and recruiting volunteers.

The last high-profile Obama campaign event in New York involving the LGBT community was Michelle Obama’s June 26 keynote address to the Democratic National Committee’s Gay and Lesbian Leadership Council, held at the Waldorf. The candidate’s wife told that group, “We are all only here because of those who marched and bled and died, from Selma to Stonewall, in the pursuit of a more perfect union.” The group raised more than a million dollars for the Democratic Party.

“But you still can’t marry, damn you”, she continued sotto voce, “because our bigoted xtian friends would be mad. You understand.” .

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Latifah as Ifill on SNL this Weekend

Tomorrow night Tina Fey will be on the SNL set again doing her best Sarah Palin, but this time it won’t be Amy Poehler by her side. TMZ is reporting that “Queen Latifah is getting in the middle of the Sarah Palin/Joe Biden VP debate by portraying last night’s moderator, PBS journalist Gwen Ifill.”

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Rigorous Intuition:

If the thawing permafrost and warming oceans lose the integrity of their methane sinks, if the billowing chimneys of Arctic methane represent their tipping point, then the climate is soon to run away from a tolerable mean. A feedback loop even more catastrophic than Reaganomics will have been initiated. But as with Reaganomics, a happy ending can’t be written for us.

But never mind that. There are millions of lives lived right now in apocalypse. Zimbabwe – does that look like the end of the world? Another world at least, where children are eating toxic, indigestible roots to stave off hunger, though malnutrition will kill them if relief isn’t sent “very fast.” What percentage of Wall Street’s “rescue” would it take to rescue them? What percentage of Henry Paulson’s personal wealth of $700 million? It’s crazy that it seems crazy to ask. But that’s Zimbabwe, and Mugabe’s small time grifters aren’t hooked up with the global syndicate. There’s no need to know, and since so much of news is supposed to be news you use, they lose.

75. marisacat - 3 October 2008


LOL well as long as they are CLEAN enough for Joe.

As for MO, in the New Yorker profile on her, the author accompanied her to some smallish gathering of gays.. and when pressed on ‘marriage’ she said it was too controversial and pushing too much too far. it “has to wait”

All you can do is laugh. If people buy it and donate, well… it is what it is. GoshDiggity.Doggonit.. Look over THERE at the crazy Moose Killer…

Local news took a crew out on the streets today for impressions of the debate.. plenty of gays surprised to learn that Joe opposes gay marriage. They expected that from HER (as they said).. but,my, surprise surprise.

Look over THERE at the crazy xitan breeder. Don’t look at Joe and Jill and Barack and Michelle.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

75 – anybody who is surprised isn’t paying attention.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008
78. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008

Bageant: The Bailout in Plain English

The bill was never gonna come due because, god in his wisdom, had deemed that capitalism would defy the second law of thermodynamics and expand forever. So every time a bank made a mortgage loan of say, $400,000, even though the debtor had never even made a payment yet, the loan was declared a bank asset and another $400,000 was loaned against it. Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve Bank yelled whoopee and printed another $800,000 in currency. Of course at some point the country had to run out of customers, so the loans got easier and easier. No matter that debt is not wealth. Wink and call it that and most folks won’t even look up from their new big screen high resolution digital TVs.

Problem was that all the jobs to pay for this stuff were stampeding off toward places in China with names containing a lot Xs, Zs and praying for a vowel. It was becoming clear that the entire economy was running on fumes. In fact less than fumes. It was running on the odor of paper. Mountains of the stuff. Bundles of mortgages and very strange securities and derivatives of unknown origin and value. Paper that stated its own worth and signed by some mystic hand no one could quite identify though the blurry signatures looked to read Greenspan, Paulson and Bernanke.

But there was a rub. Things reached the point where there simply was not anything left to defraud the public out of, nothing left to steal from the nation’s productive capability, no matter how much paper Jeeter and Maggie signed for that trailer house, no matter how secure Brian and Jennifer out there in Arlington, Virginia and Davis, California thought they were. So the only thing left to do was steal from future generations of Americans and accept an I.O.U. which the government would happily sign on behalf of the people and enforce. By the wildest coincidence, under the Bush administration this I.O.U. happened to tally up to about $700 billion.

Seeing the oncoming train of financial disaster, the financiers just about wet their pants, and screamed “We want it all now! And if we don’t get it the ‘economy’ will lock its brakes and crash. Remember, we control the medium of exchange. Nobody gets a paycheck if we don’t. Remember that it’s lines of credit from us that backs every working man’s and woman’s paycheck in the country. So pay the hell up.”

Folks, they’ve got us all by the nuts and nipples. McCain knows that. Obama knows that. In the end, regardless of the so-called dissenters in the House and the Senate, we will pay up. It s election season and the dissent is for show. So it looks like we will get some “concession.” For example, we will get shares in these “toxic assets” that are stinking up the joint. The rich need to dump them and dump them fast. In another magnanimous concession, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation will raise the insurance on “our savings” to $250,000 (how many readers have 250 K in the bank?). But it will be redeemable in even more inflated currency amid an inflationary environment. And, in case you didn’t know, the FDIC has up to ten years to pay up on that insurance. So don’t get any ideas about running off to Mexico, to which by the way, we are a net debtor nation.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 October 2008
80. marisacat - 3 October 2008

Booming business here in “painting” dried out yards… some guy developed the business using the tools they use to paint the end zones of football fields.

And it does look better…

81. CSTAR - 3 October 2008

79 I saw the video several days ago. I agree, it is depressing and disturbing. The families that left those houses must have been in a state of profound shock.

Salt of the Earth all over again. But if there is ever a remake updated to 2008/2009 I don’t think will see an ending in which Henry Fonda’s character talks about a WPA.]

BTW I noticed that Mary Landrieu voted against the bailout bill in the senate. I think it would have been doubly outrageous if any congressperson from a Katrina devastated area supported this bill.

82. raincat100 - 3 October 2008

79. Yes, very depressing. The reporter-bot’s tone was so perky and smiley about it all.

Painting lawns green. Yes, there is no water there.

Odd that all that stuff is being tossed in the trash.

83. marisacat - 3 October 2008

well one thing that is the start of the roller coaster of denial… Arnold vetoed a boat load of bills over the past three days. Quite a few having to do with funding green industries. And Arnold has all but told us (and anyone who would listen) that he is Achtung! A Green Socialist.

And Gore just told us two weeks ago here that Green is the way out of everything. And I do mean everything. It is the Holy Host.

He also bulk vetoed almost a 140 bills saying there was no time to really consdier those. Despite, as one reporter put it, his staff follow the bills all thru the leg.

He slashed a lot and blamed our budget crisis and the credit crisis.

Very convenient for that Democrat who has run for a year and half on lists of promises…


The stories from foreclosure areas are ONLY sad and depressing. Plenty of exposure here on the stripping of the houses, even ugh some worse things…

Years to go………………..

84. marisacat - 3 October 2008


well they paint the yards of foreclosure houses. No one to care for them.

85. raincat100 - 3 October 2008

84. Yes, not sustainable developments.

86. CSTAR - 3 October 2008

Actually in my comment above I meant Grapes of Wrath, although Salt of the Earth is a great movie about political activism.

87. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

82. Odd that all that stuff is being tossed in the trash.

At one of the small town dumps south of the city here they use an old garage/very large aluminum shed located at the entry for people who want to drop off anything recyclable to keep it from clogging up the dump. A local volunteer recycling agency from town makes sure the place is kept clean and that it’s sorted. They’re only there p/t at random hours. They don’t charge anything (for things from books and clothes to washers and fridges and everything in between) and just have a locked donation box on the wall so that if you can afford to leave something, you can. I found it really handy for stuff I needed when I lived out that way and when I moved back into the city I took a few carloads of donations in too. We could use more of those.

88. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

Dominic Lawson: Democrat fingerprints are all over the financial crisis

Of all the characteristics of a successful politician, none is more essential than bare-faced cheek. Never has this been more evident than in the past fortnight, as senior Democrat members of the US legislature have sought to lay all the blame for the country’s financial crisis on the executive arm of Government and Wall Street.

Neither of these two institutions is blameless – far from it. Yet when I see such senior Democrats as Barney Frank, Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Christopher Dodd, Chairman of the Senate’s Banking Committee, play the part of avenging angels – well, I can only stand in silent awe at the sheer tight-bottomed nerve of it. These are men with sphincters of steel.

89. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

html cleanup on aisle 88!

90. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

Oh sheesh. CNN just broke in for brrrreaking news: awaiting the OJ verdict. Deja vu all over again.

91. marisacat - 3 October 2008


earlier it sounded like they had a cordon around the courthouse…

Somewhere, someone is manufacturing kitchen sinks to throw at the rest of 2008

92. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

It looks like they’re finding OJ guilty on every single charge.

93. marisacat - 3 October 2008

polling the jury………………………………..

94. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

91. Somewhere, someone is manufacturing kitchen sinks to throw at the rest of 2008

No doubt. This is all very surreal and certainly not as enjoyable as a Dali.

95. marisacat - 3 October 2008

omigod.. 13 years TO THE DAY of the last verdict.

Too much

96. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

95. That’s just bizarre. Makes you wonder if the jury planned to have it out before midnite for that reason.

97. marisacat - 3 October 2008

hmm I am thinking that

”ONE DAY and 13 years from the murder verdict!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

is almost as big.

What an exhausting mess we are. Just like reliving the damned S n L crisis… learned nothing. Series of Boom and Bust, leaned ntohing… Vietnam, learned nothing, Lousy elections with lying politicians, learned nothing,

98. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008


Projecting through the Screen [Rich Lowry]

A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It’s one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O’Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.

I need a shower – again. Ewww.

99. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

97. Stuck in Really Bad Rerun Hell.

100. marisacat - 3 October 2008

isn’t the Lowry a hoot? it’s being called the orgasmic reaction.

But i have to claim “pre orgasmics for Obama” right now! (as if it mattered… LOL)

101. marisacat - 3 October 2008

oh … and IOZ has a category called “how Obama brought me to orgasm”

You have to laugh. The whole thing is such a bad joke.

102. marisacat - 3 October 2008

The BBC on OJ

now we have to live thru another appeal. They hauled him off to jail pronto tho. No white Chevy Bronco business… LOL

103. liberalcatnip - 3 October 2008

Who are these people?? Wow. Get a life already.

104. marisacat - 4 October 2008

You have to love it… Dreier (R-CA) and Sestak (D PA) on Charlie Rose selling the bail out. lying thru their teeth and their sphincters.

105. NYCO - 4 October 2008

79. I saw that video a few days ago too (it was linked on Calculated Risk). The detail that was the weirdest, was seeing the things left behind in one house… including a crucifix on the wall. Which is odd because anyone who would have a big black crucifix on the wall probably is religious enough to want to take it with them. It looks like it was forgotten with the other stuff in the same corner, though.

I remember watching an episode of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and there was a guy who’d just bought a new house that was totally cavernously empty – he was “house-poor” (a saying that fell out of fashion as easy loans became more prevalent) and one of the Queer Eye guys was joshing around yelling “Riiii-cooooola!” through the house. (This is the reference to the joke…)

106. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 October 2008

Everybody realizes that Paulson will now outsource all that money for the “rescue” to the very same people who created this mess, right? The donks didn’t mention that when they were ramping up the fear, did they?

107. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 October 2008

Why can’t people mind their own business when it comes to religion?

But within hours of his death on Sept. 10 after a car accident, his memory — in fact, his very body — had become the object of a tug-of-war over religious freedom and obligation. It began when his mother, who was raised Hindu, and his father, who is Muslim, decided to have his body cremated in the Hindu tradition, rather than burying him in a shroud, as Islam prescribes.

His parents, Mina and Farhad Reja, say a small group of Muslims who do not understand their approach to religion are trying to intimidate them over the most private of family choices. “This is America,” Mrs. Reja said. “This is a family decision.”

The couple say that people accosted them at their son’s funeral, that an angry crowd threatened to boycott a shopping center they own in Jackson Heights, Queens, and that on Sept. 13, two men they know threatened to bomb and burn down the building.

The men they accused in a complaint filed with the police — one is a doctor and the father of a close friend of Shafayet Reja, the other a Bangladeshi business leader — say that they made no threats and deny that they have called for a boycott. They say they and others simply expressed their concern about what they see as a deep violation of their religion and of the wishes of the son, who, according to some of his college friends, had recently chosen Islam as his sole religion.

108. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 October 2008

A.I.G. Uses $61 Billion of Fed Loan

The American International Group said on Friday that it had already drawn down $61 billion of the $85 billion emergency bridge loan it received from the Federal Reserve two weeks ago, an announcement that startled credit ratings agencies.

The emergency loan was supposed to buy the company time to sell its troubled assets in an orderly manner. But the sell-off has not yet begun, and now the insurer faces the additional pressure of trying to sell the businesses at a time when potential buyers are having trouble borrowing money.

Moody’s downgraded A.I.G.’s senior unsecured debt on Friday and said it might downgrade other types of the company’s debt, which could make it more expensive for A.I.G. to borrow money and do business.

A.I.G.’s chief executive, Edward M. Liddy, told securities analysts on Friday that $53 billion to $54 billion of the Fed’s loan had gone to shore up A.I.G.’s troubled structured-finance unit and its securities lending business. Another big block of the Fed’s money has been used to support A.I.G.’s daily operations, Mr. Liddy said in a conference call, because demand for the company’s commercial paper has dried up as a result of the worldwide credit crisis.

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 October 2008

Molly and Dingell Had it Right

On September 23, Jay Bookman from the Atlanta Journal Constitution reprinted a Molly Ivins column on the 10th anniversary of its original publication. In it, Ivins argues that proposed deregulation of the banking industry is going to lead to “financial disaster.”

Watching Washington Mutual and Wachovia’s catastrophic collapses, it’s easy to forget that way back, oh, about 10 years ago, things seemed pretty good. The economy was going through one of the biggest booms in our history. People had savings accounts. Students could get loans. Major banks weren’t failing. And the Senate met to vote on the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, a proposal to, in Ivins’ synopsis, “eliminate barriers between banks, brokerage firms, and insurance companies.”

Her critique is worth quoting at some length. “This sets up financial holding companies that offer all three types of services simultaneously. The most obvious risk is that a blunder in the insurance or brokerage end of the business could bring down a bank, putting insured deposits at risk. The taxpayers, of course, then wind up with the tab, as we did with the savings-and-loan mess.

“So what we have here is (1) increasing likelihood of a recession dead ahead, (2) banks already looking at serious trouble because of stupid lending policies, and (3) a bill that effectively further deregulates the banks and hurts consumers, making it even more likely that banks will get themselves into serious trouble . . . Veto, veto, veto.”

Almost a year after that column, as the bill went to a vote in the House, U.S. Representative John Dingell (D-Michigan, and now chairman of the Commerce Committee) stood before the House to warn that the act would create “a group of institutions which are too big to fail.

“Not only are they going to be big banks, they are going to be big everything, because the are going to be in securities and insurance, in issuance of stocks and bonds and underwriting, and they are also going to be in banks . . . Taxpayers are going to be called upon to cure the failures we are creating tonight, and it is going to cost a lot of money, and it is coming. Just be prepared for those events.”

Nine days later, on November 12, 1999, President Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act into law. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), co-sponsor of the act, was there to claim credit.

110. NYCee - 4 October 2008

Was catching up on the threads a couple of Sundays ago… (only got up to the lily pad thread, so I am just hopping from it to present).

Marisa, you made me laugh with some choice bits of verbiage… such as the “dinner cruise to nowhere,” and others I cannot recall. And there were some good links from you and others… Madman, a lot. (Lol… just read recent thread on VP debate… I saw that Palin response flow chart too… funny!)

And Bayprairie, that was a nice offering, digging up the Gatemouth info. Really soulful and stirring music; I especially liked the song accompanying the video of his house on the bayou… a fine treasure.

I wish I had been around to add to moiv’s and others pushback on that linked diary on DK – the one where the nasty attack broke out over “abortion” (gasp, dare we say it???!!!) in group’s title on BO website, now not on (too REAL). I particularly liked the rebuttal by those who took issue with “tragedy” — abortion must always be framed as tragic, etcer…ugh.

Been busy with work thru the meltdown in our town… & country. Had no mindspace/timespace for anything lengthy, so what popped up as most fitting was just a blunt:


(Works for me, on the fly. Credit to punks, ©1970s/80s )

It has been so unavoidably and obnoxiously IN YOUR FACE, the rampant greed in this town and, frankly, elsewhere, in my other haunts, like in NC where the building boom exploded too… all my haunts seem infected, with views of sky, trees, sea and sound erased by sprawl — even Topsail Island’s gorgeous south point/bird sanctuary has been threatened by privatized concerns (which I petitioned against while visiting a couple of summers ago, but still appears to be under threat). Only my upstate NY getaway remains unsullied – the town buys family farms to keep the land from developers.

Excess pumped out 24/7, capitalism engorged on steroids and given free rein… It is with relief, to me, that this bubble has burst. Although I have little faith in the “remedies” (they seem capable of making bubbles from bubbles, will likely not stray too far from the toxic field), there was at least some pause to view the liars with their pricey pants on fire, pants caught down, always panting for more, more, more… and then there was none.

(By the way, has anyone yet heard how we, the bailouters, are to see the promised payback in our forced investment, how it is to actually come back to us? I always seem to miss that.)

111. NYCee - 4 October 2008

Oh snap! How ’bout that OJ…

Poetic justice, looks like to me. Same day to the day, not guilty, now guilty. He could get life…

Dawgawnit and dagnabbit!

He always looks like the eternally guilty kid with the crumbs glued to his face who cant believe mom and dad still havent discovered he’s the one who violated the cookie jar. Only in his case it’s two human lives he took and the crumbs are blood. Always waiting for the other shoe to drop. This, what I observe, whilst he is in my view.

Otherwise, he played a lot of golf and collected a nice pension.

112. marisacat - 4 October 2008

Hey hey NYCee…


the rampant greed in this town and, frankly, elsewhere, in my other haunts

Oh yeah… The era of Venture Capitalism (still going strong btw, in some venues) ws just the last whack at this town. The harshness and single mindedness of the greed and dismissal for all others ws (is) palpable.

And it was equally palpable that following the extended recession of ’89 – mid late nineties (if one is honest) that we needed a bubble to dig us out, E voila! dot com dot died. Everyone i knew who lost a ton (which means more than they could ever afford, even if a few thousand) and was totally ignorant of where their money was, had financial advisors. And what ws the true reality of dot com dot died… ”small” companies fluffed fluffed fluffed and taken public when they never ever should have been. All that the work of VC and Wall St Masters of the U.

Lotta office furniture on the second hand market.. what can I say.

And here we go again.


On that Dkos abortion thread… I got a kick out of “Sarah Pawlenty” who arrived to tell everyone what a great tragedy abortion is. LOL

113. marisacat - 4 October 2008

nuuuu thred…


…………….. 8) …………………..

114. diane - 4 October 2008

Was just listening to BB King and Ray Charles, and Boo Hoo Hoo Man came to my thoughts……thinking about that last post he made, featuring BB King’s: The Thrill is Gone at pff,….does anyone know how he is doing?…………….I hope you and yours are safe from harm Boo Hoo Hoo Man!………….

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