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peeking at the future… 6 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


and not liking it………….

photo via Flickr


Tom Englehardt takes a look at a series of projections across a few years, formulated by the Intelligence Community (made up, last I read, of 16 or 17 agencies):

[B]etter to forecast what the people you brief already believe, raised to the highest predictive power and squared, and skip the oddballs with their strange hunches, the sorts who might actually have a knack for recognizing the shock of the future lurking in the present. Don’t pay any mind, for that matter, to FBI agents reporting the truly strange in the present — like, say, “a 33-year-old French citizen of Moroccan descent” at a flight school who wants to learn how to fly a commercial jet, but not how it takes off or lands.

What the Global Trends documents represent, then, is not a deep dive into the mysteries of the future, but a series of belly flops by an unbearably obese IC into a barely grasped present. Let 18 intelligence outfits proliferate and one thing is guaranteed: in some future, maybe even tomorrow, no matter how powerful you are, you won’t know what hit you.  ::snip::

An especial favorite passage from the article has to be this one…

In that far perkier future our intelligence analysts sent me to, you can exist forever and there will never be those four jets, box cutters, and 19 hijackers. The Bush administration will never barge into the world “unilaterally.” The U.S. will not be renowned for torture techniques or an offshore secret prison system of injustice, and nothing will contravene then-Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers Ben Bernanke’s 2005 assessment that soaring housing prices were due to “strong economic fundamentals.”

They’re still at it, the article indicates that the new projection, GT 2025, is due to be published in December and Hopeful Chosens have both been briefed on it.  In my view, either one is going to be President Bail Out, tasked to rescue as much for American Exceptionalism as is possible, by any means necessary.  To be blunt.


The New Yorker – also projecting – is a slobber fest.  I especially loved the penny arcade ”wisdom” that Paulson “arrived in town (via Goldman Sachs) a Republican, but it seems that he will leave a Democrat”.

Only because it does not matter…

The election of Obama—a man of mixed ethnicity, at once comfortable in the world and utterly representative of twenty-first-century America—would, at a stroke, reverse our country’s image abroad and refresh its spirit at home. His ascendance to the Presidency would be a symbolic culmination of the civil- and voting-rights acts of the nineteen-sixties and the century-long struggles for equality that preceded them. It could not help but say something encouraging, even exhilarating, about the country, about its dedication to tolerance and inclusiveness, about its fidelity, after all, to the values it proclaims in its textbooks. At a moment of economic calamity, international perplexity, political failure, and battered morale, America needs both uplift and realism, both change and steadiness. It needs a leader temperamentally, intellectually, and emotionally attuned to the complexities of our troubled globe. That leader’s name is Barack Obama.




1. marisacat - 6 October 2008

hmm just saw this at ABC:

Across Asia, all markets were in the red. Tokyo’s Nikkei 225 index fell to its lowest level in 4 1/2 years, sinking 4.25 percent to 10,473.09.

Hong Kong’s Hang Seng index slid 4.3 percent to 16,927.87. Markets in mainland China, Australia, South Korea, India, Singapore and Thailand also fell sharply.

In Russia, the RTS stock index tumbled more than 7 percent in first 20 minutes of trading.

“This credit crunch looks like it’s not going away any time soon,” said Alex Tang, head of research at brokerage Core Pacific-Yamaichi in Hong Kong. “Apart from a credit crunch in Europe, investors are quite concerned about the worsening outlook on the U.S. economy.” ::snipsnappy::

2. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Pope Benedict XVI says the global financial crisis show the futility of money and ambition.

Benedict says that “now with the collapse of big banks we see that money disappears, is nothing and all these things that appear real are in fact of secondary importance.” He urges those who build their lives “only on things that are visible, such as success, career, money” to keep that in mind.

The pontiff was speaking Monday as he opened the works of a meeting of 253 bishops at the Vatican.

Wonder what he wore for this anti-materialist pronouncement? Sackcloth by Versace?

(In a special coded message to the intelligence community, I’m sure . . . Benedict says “the only solid reality is the word of God.”)

3. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Who needs popes and princes?

Tama is the purr-fect antidote to financial gloom: study.

TOKYO (AFP) – As the economic might of Japan faces up to the global banking crisis a single cat has boosted the finances of a small Japanese city by millions of dollars, according to a study.

4. aemd - 6 October 2008

Commodities crashing via Bloomberg

“The value of the 19 commodities in the Reuters-Jefferies CRB Index fell $280.6 billion, or 43 percent, from its July 3 peak, a loss larger than their total worth two years ago….”

“The same credit-market seizure that led to last month’s bankruptcy of New York-based Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and the forced sale of Merrill Lynch & Co. is squeezing speculators who drove commodities to record highs.”

“The day of steadily rising commodity prices is over,” said Chris Rupkey, the New York-based chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. “A lot of the demand for commodities has been speculation, and now that demand is falling away because of fear taking hold in the market.”

5. marisacat - 6 October 2008

hmm somone who watches the markets closely emailed this to me…

Saw these Billmon posts over at dko$. Hmmm, considering his job and all….


“But it didn’t(.) Fed was pushing liquidity into the banks like crazy on Thursday and Friday, but they’re just sitting on it. International inter-bank market (LIBOR) is now frozen. Commercial paper market frozen. Corporations can’t roll over their short-term debt.

Monday is going to be really ugly.”

Worth reading both short posts and his link.

Also, all future indexes are red (as of 7:25 am ET).

Link to Bloomberg

Things are really, really unstable. I wonder if the FED will pull an emergency rate cut today?

In one of the Billmon comments he links to this from Nouriel Roubini

6. NYCO - 6 October 2008

love that kitty! Looks a little like my kitty, especially the tail.

As for the tankage… there is a breeze of psychological relief from it, of sorts. Maybe something akin to something I experienced during the August 2003 Northeast blackout, which occurred at evening rush hour just before I left for home. This was not all that long after 9/11 so whenever something like a blackout would happen, there would be a slight panicky tang in the atmosphere.

But I got into my car, preparing for a drive home through city streets with no traffic lights, and… oddly… felt exhilarated. Not overly so, but just sort of relieved. Looked forward to using my rules-of-the-road skills. Feeling calm and not panicky; maybe imagining incorrectly that others felt panicky. Or maybe I was just secretly glad that maybe others were now feeling as stressed out as I was at that point in my life. Who knows? A feeling of “Now we’ve removed some crap. Now we can have some honest coping, some honest adventures…”

It wasn’t quite schadenfreude, it was something else. I’ll bet the Germans have a word for it, but I don’t know what it would be.

7. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Dow – 467 at 10:30 ET.

8. NYCO - 6 October 2008

Down 569 now at 10:45. Dayyyyum.

Every point down is X number of weeks/months of pain for some ordinary person.

9. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Got your earlier comment – #6 – out of Moderation… sorry NYCO…


Oh I know what you mean about that feeling..

10. NYCO - 6 October 2008

Bush apparently going on TV. Markets will tank after he gets done speaking, no doubt.

11. marisacat - 6 October 2008

love that kitty! Looks a little like my kitty, especially the tail.


well mine was a bit of a ragamuffin but when I was a child I had a “pinkie” which is what some people call that color of cat.. or sometimes a blondie, if less red. She and a male compatriot moved to our house, together, as adult cats. We never figured out what house they left. He was more of a Big Red, but a bit faded, or to be kinder, creamier… LOL.


Other than that, just checking: Are All Gloves Off? it’s getting nasty out there. “Stuff” whizzing around at a furious rate.

I say give them really big swords. Pistols. Have at it.

Not sure how far tossing “Singlaub” and “anti communist” at McC is going to go.

12. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

From IB in the last thread:

72 – Anything like the oh-so-wearable headgear in the first link at 52? (Guarantees a free ride to your local psychiatric facility!)

Mon dieu. Got a vase?

13. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Caption for the kitty pic: “I can haz bailout money?”

14. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

On the dkos rec list, a diary by silverwink that starts with this: “If that stupid cow-faced monster wants Reverend Wright to be in play…”

Referring to Palin, of course. How old are they over there? 12?

15. marisacat - 6 October 2008

IB and catnip… I saw that headgear when I was leafing thru photos at some site on the Paris FW…

Undigested or pre digested.. one or the other… but up it came.

16. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

16. Undigested or pre digested

A perfect description.

17. marisacat - 6 October 2008

still down. -536


…and falling……………………..

18. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

On the run, but this seems rather juicy:

Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat, cited an e-mail exchange in which George Walker, President Bush’s cousin and a member of the Lehman executive committee, mocked a proposal for top company executives to forego their 2008 bonuses.

Walker responded to the proposal from a fund manager at Lehman unit Neuberger Berman by saying, “Sorry, team. I’m not sure what’s in the water” at the unit’s headquarters.

from Reuters, SEC, Fed aware of everything at Lehman: Fuld

19. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Treasury names rescue program chief

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Treasury on Monday named Assistant Secretary for International Economics and Development, Neel Kashkari, as head of the $700 billion government program that will buy soured investments to help restore the financial markets to health.

Kashkari was named as the interim Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability – a role envisioned in the rescue plan that was signed into law by President George W. Bush last week.

Kashkari is a veteran banker from Goldman Sachs and joined the Treasury in July 2006 as a senior advisor to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

20. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Dow down… down down… 684

21. marisacat - 6 October 2008

holy god. it down 800 at some pt.

22. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Dow plunges 800 points amid global sell-off

NEW YORK – Wall Street suffered through another traumatic session Monday, with the Dow Jones industrials plunging as much as 800 points and setting a new record for a one-day point drop as investors despaired that the credit crisis would take a heavy toll around the world. The Dow also fell below 10,000 for the first time since 2004, and all the major indexes fell more than 7 percent.

The catalyst for the selling was the growing realization that the Bush administration’s $700 billion rescue plan and steps taken by other governments won’t work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets. Global banks, hobbled by wrong-way bets on mortgage securities, remain starved for cash as credit has dried up.

That sent stocks spiraling downward in the U.S., Europe and Asia, and drove investors to sink money into the relative safety of U.S. government debt. Fears about a global recession also caused oil to drop below $90 a barrel; and the benchmark index that gauges fear in the market jumped to the highest level in its 18-year history.

I thought the bailout bill was supposed to raise confidence (click your heels together).

I find it interesting that anyone thought this would be a quick fix cure-all.

23. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Art from recycled junk mail. Very creative!

24. marisacat - 6 October 2008

I was whizzing across channels and past Martha Stewart… and spied little colored frogs with black spots… and all I could think was

Guys Guys! Stay out of the kitchen!

It just seemed so perilous… must be the times…

25. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

little colored frogs with black spots

They would make cute cupcakes though. 🙂

26. NYCO - 6 October 2008

I’m still musing on the implications of my Post #6… Earlier today it hit me that nobody may ever have to watch an episode of “My Super Sweet 16” again! Or “Flip That House”! Or any other of the bletcherous programs where middle-class wannabees charge the fuck out of their credit cards, scream orgasmically and take treasure baths.

Read another story today where a mortgage banker who’s lost his job has had to tell his 5-year-old she can’t get a hamster because Mommy and Daddy can’t afford it, the budget is so tight… WTF? Yeah, like you’re so poor that you can’t afford a hamster, a dish, some food and a cage. Whatever. Why don’t you sell off your plasma TV on eBay, I’m sure that will pay for a year’s worth of hamster kibbles.

Reading stuff like that really pisses me off, about how an entire generation of numbnuts is forcing their kids to pay for their profligacy. Turds.

27. marisacat - 6 October 2008

I agree with you NYCO… probably the kid needs a soft little diversion NOW more than ever. Some little creature to talk to..

I bet mum and dad are so shocked that status quo did not last forever that they are in early stages of breakdown (I am not being sympathetic to them)

28. lucid - 6 October 2008

You always find the most adorable cats… I love the inquisitive expression.

29. lucid - 6 October 2008

26 – can’t afford a hamster for the kid but they’re probably knocking back $40 bottles of scotch each night to take the edge off…

30. NYCO - 6 October 2008

I caught my cat looking at me just that way the other week when I was making myself a roast beef sandwich. She’s never encountered roast beef before and smelled it. Turned around and there she was, head cocked, extremely wistful (almost hurt) expression. As if my not telling her about the magic of roast beef had broken her heart.

31. marisacat - 6 October 2008

My guess, just from my own cats, but esp Baby who I was alone wiht for many years… your cat wants to share in your food… as much as the scent of RB attracted her.

Baby ate everything I did… except cooked ground hamburger beef, that came up right away.

Scrambled eggs, lettuce, tomatoe, chicken (of course), bits of pastry… on and on. Occasionally if it was something that I ate rarely and she really wanted it she would tap my shoulder and try to crawl to the plate… LOL She loved the taste of pork… 😉 She would accept a portion later in her ownblowl but she really wanted to eat it at the same time…

32. marisacat - 6 October 2008

The rules for the debate (such as it is) tomorrow night…

[T]uesday’s match-up at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., will be moderated by NBC’s Tom Brokaw, with the questions to be culled from a group of 100 to 150 uncommitted likely voters in the audience and another one-third to come via the Internet. The Gallup Organization — as in past debates like this — has the job of making sure the questioners reflect the demographic makeup of the nation.

Brokaw selects the questions to ask from written queries submitted prior to the debate, according to the “contract.”

An audience member will not be allowed to switch questions. Under the deal, the moderator may not ask followups or make comments. The person who asks the question will not be allowed a follow-up either, and his or her microphone will be turned off after the question is read. A camera shot will only be shown of the person asking — not reacting. //snip//

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008

Don’t remember if you guys have seen this yet, but in honor of el gato above, I present ninja cat!

34. lucid - 6 October 2008

31 – well my cat Gizmo will just take what’s on your plate if you aren’t defending it… one hilarious chase ensued when I popped my head up to switch channels on the tele and an entire pork chop was lifted from my plate. He went running around growling with the thing in his mouth – clawing to harm if you got remotely near him. He’s gotten better over the years, but if there is food about, he considers it his.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008

I had no idea that the word came from a family name: Who You Callin’ a Maverick?

But to those who know the history of the word, applying it to Mr. McCain is a bit of a stretch — and to one Texas family in particular it is even a bit offensive.

“I’m just enraged that McCain calls himself a maverick,” said Terrellita Maverick, 82, a San Antonio native who proudly carries the name of a family that has been known for its progressive politics since the 1600s, when an early ancestor in Boston got into trouble with the law over his agitation for the rights of indentured servants.

In the 1800s, Samuel Augustus Maverick went to Texas and became known for not branding his cattle. He was more interested in keeping track of the land he owned than the livestock on it, Ms. Maverick said; unbranded cattle, then, were called “Maverick’s.” The name came to mean anyone who didn’t bear another’s brand.

snippity … snip snip …

Considering the family’s long history of association with liberalism and progressive ideals, it should come as no surprise that Ms. Maverick insists that John McCain, who has voted so often with his party, “is in no way a maverick, in uppercase or lowercase.”

“It’s just incredible — the nerve! — to suggest that he’s not part of that Republican herd. Every time we hear it, all my children and I and all my family shrink a little and say, ‘Oh, my God, he said it again.’ ”

“He’s a Republican,” she said. “He’s branded.”

36. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

NYCO at 26 – Or any other of the bletcherous programs where middle-class wannabees charge the fuck out of their credit cards, scream orgasmically and take treasure baths.

Very well put! Agree there is some sense of relief to be felt in the current dis-crediting of such manic, overexcited consumerism and culturally approved, advertising-fueled competition for conspicuous display. Reminds me of the release of a thunderstorm after days of oppressive heat, or the purge of actual vomiting after a protracted spell of nausea and malaise.

BTW – I share your disdain for the banker who planned to cut costs by denying his little kid a modest pet (not to mention your bemusement at his financial/mathematical skills – no wonder it’s all crashing down), but as synchronicity would have it, hamsters were actually in the news today. Pediatricians are recommending that kids under 5 not be given certain types of “exotic” pets (hamster qualify, it seems) because of the risk for infections and funky bacteria.

For example, about 11 percent of salmonella illnesses in children are thought to stem from contact with lizards, turtles and other reptiles, Pickering said. Hamsters also can carry this germ, which can cause severe diarrhea, fever and stomach cramps.

Cats and dogs are apparently still ok.

Still gotta wonder what the banker pays each month for vehicles and cell phones and gyms and personal grooming, as well as the single malt whiskey, pharmaceuticals, and other comfort drugs.

37. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Hamsters in moderation, I think!

Bumped into this the other day – Laser-cut cocoon for cats (doubles as a scratching surface).
Alternate view.

35 – Too cool!

38. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Hamsters and hedgehogs out of the bag – thanks!

39. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

32 – Love the kibosh on camera shots of actual human faces reacting.

Why not put paper bags on all the audience heads, while they’re at it?

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008


Washington D.C. (October 6, 2008) — Congressman Dennis Kucinich, (D-OH), who is one of the leaders challenging the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street, said that in light of the continued decline of the stock market, the lack of meaningful protections for homeowners and the likely collapse of additional mortgage backed securities such as Alt-A loans, that Wall Street might seek additional bailout funds.

“Think about it. Congress passed a $700 billion bailout and the market is continuing to plunge! At 3 p.m., the market was down close to 700 points. Already economists and the news media indicate that the $700 billion bailout passed on Friday is not enough,” stated Kucinich.

“If Wall Street does come back for another bailout, we must be prepared in advance to say NO,” stated Kucinich. “The bailouts of Wall Street must stop. It will never be enough. When the Federal Government gets involved in picking winners and losers on Wall Street, we open up a financial whirlpool of insatiable greed,” he said.

“The fundamental problem that led to the credit crisis is that millions of homeowners are in jeopardy, and millions of people are out of work. Congress rushed to bail out Wall Street but sits on its hands when millions of homeowners are at risk,” he said. “The only way to prevent another bailout is to take action which will directly impact the market stress at its root – – the millions of homeowners who face default on their mortgages. This is the path toward market stabilization,” he said.

Kucinich has persistently advocated legislation that would give the government controlling interest in mortgage backed securities to “help homeowners save their homes by working out their payments, through restructuring the principal and the interest rate on their loans.”

“We are now facing the perfect financial storm. The elements are the deficit spending for the war of 3 to 4 trillion dollars, the trillion more in tax cuts, the war itself, the lack of serious investment in our country and now $700 billion to Wall Street. We are being hollowed out. We are going to see more unemployment and more people losing there homes. With $700 billion we could have made a real investment in the country, in jobs, in infrastructure and in homes. Now we must invest in homeowners to prevent any additional bailout,” add Kucinich.

Kucinich said he is preparing a bill, which will “prime the pump of the economy through helping people save their homes while putting millions of people back to work.”

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008
42. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008
43. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

35. “He’s a Republican,” she said. “He’s branded.”

Ha! In more ways than one.

44. marisacat - 6 October 2008

I sort of avoided this earlier today when it broke, down in Northridge in So Cal.. have no idea how much of it there will be. Former (laid off unemployed months ago) financial advisor with Price Waterhouse, killed self and family

45. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

44 – Saw that too, and hesitated to mention for fear of incorporating a personal tragegy in a any mythological cartoon.

It’s like the Iraq (or Vitenam or Afghanistan) vets gone postal.

46. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Or the fundie women who drown their kids in the tub.

Forgive me, spirits.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Spirits of typo-free spelling included.


lucid – thought of you when I saw the Nobel medicine prizes today. If you ever feel like sharing your thoughts (in easy-to-grok terminology for the chronically-confused-and-otherwise-medically- distracted), I’d be interested to hear what you think. Realize that’s a tall order, but whenever, wherever. Thanks.

48. Intermittent Bystander - 6 October 2008

Bit of Brit humor, from a lifelong hard-core atheist friend (Quebecoise) who just married a Kashmiri between bomb curfews in Srinigar.

Religion – Marcus Brigstocke

49. marisacat - 6 October 2008


the news reports were short… and I have nto searched fro information, just saw the LAT piece… but it briefly skids by a sort of hint that there might have been RE problems as well… hard to tell. Bought in 97 or so for under 300K, sold 9 years later for almost three times, but had two large mortgages… and now were renting. That seems to indicate some blank spots. Unless the law has chagned you have to reinvest in a residence, under a year out from sale, to avoid income tax

50. NYCO - 6 October 2008

49. In one of his letters, Moore said, Rajaram talked of two options: taking his own life or taking his own life and that of his family. “He talked himself into the second strategy,” Moore said. “That that would be the honorable thing to do.”

I’ll just never understand this. Psychologically I guess understand it. The person thinks their family cannot live without them, and since he cannot live, they’ll all have to die. And maybe there was a cultural aspect to it (in a variety of ways). But only someone who was essentially self-centered would think himself indispensible. Saddening.

We had an ex-professor formerly working here who now lived in California who also killed his entire family and himself a couple months ago. He was also from a different culture. There has to be some degree of isolation in that no matter how well you are assimilated to the dominant culture of your new country.

51. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Just saw this at the Telegraph… for lucid and IB

If it was discussed at the time of the Nobel announce, Imissed it.

2012… coming up soon.

Most of it goes over my head but I do know one thing, if you have a lot of virologists around, yu start to get a lot of viruses diagnosed.

52. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

I hope those ravenous yuppies DON’T get their kid a hamster or any other edible creature.

Spring for a Chia Head of sprouts or sumpin’..you know- something the whole family can eat and enjoy. Healthier, but with less guilt….

53. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Hey hey…

he breathes he posts…

…………… 8) …………………

54. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

BHHMan! Woohoo!

55. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

You betcha. LOL.

Kid is okay. Temping but wondering about asking for pay in porridge, maybe Demerol.

Oh what the hell, there will always be communion wafers…

; D

56. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Oh what the hell, there will always be communion wafers… — BHHM

I don’t know about anyone else, but they always stuck to the roof of my mouth… then I was stuck, they were stuck.

Don’t think I have had one since I was 12 or so…………. [going to hell]

57. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

50. That (really) vaguely reminds me of The House of Sand and Fog (spoiler alert). I haven’t seen the movie but read the book last year.

58. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

57. I used to like checking out the Ukrainian Catholic church when I was a kid. They had crouton-like things and wine. Mind you, everybody had to sip from the same chalice. Ewww.

59. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Okay. That’s about the 3rd or 4th time I’ve screwed up the number of the post I was referring to. Don’t mind me…

60. marisacat - 6 October 2008

well the pope is saying that the global financial network is ”built on sand” (and the Vatican should know, what a hoot!). i saw the headline at Drudge.. and LOL did not follow the link.

We know a lot is gonna shift. away.

61. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008
62. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

No need for orthodontics, though, with that there communion.

Through the mysteries of Faith, when stuck to the soft palate, one canjust believethey have the appropriate appliance, dentures, braces etc.

63. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

You guys might get a kick out of this video from Canada’s Air Farce last Friday.

64. marisacat - 6 October 2008


sorry its because posts in moderation, when let out, move itnot hte thread where they were supposed to be. Messes up the numbers.


65. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008

58 – it’s the backwash that makes it holy.

66. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008
67. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

65. I can think of a few words for it but “holy” is not one of them.

68. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

64. No. It’s my brain. Mush. Toast. But thanks for trying to cheer me up. 🙂

69. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Greek Orthodox here had squares of sour dough. And some sort of wine…

70. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Also the Greeks were low key, if you were there at teh service you got offered the bread and wine.

Catholics acted like they needed an intercession from Jesus, God and the Dove to make it right if by chance someone non Catholic landed at the communion rail.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 October 2008

67 – well, you’re female, so you’re always getting in the way of the holy /bible

72. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

Operator: “911, What’s your emergency?”

Caller: (inaudible) “Wa wa wa wah wah…”

Operator: “Another 12 year old with communion stuck, I see…”

Caller: (inaudible) “An Wa wa wa wah wah…”

Operator: “And this was AFTER the collection plate was passed?

Caller: (inaudible) “Ehnn wah- Wa wa wa en wah unf wah…”

Operator: “…and it had along stick on it? Sheesh!
What kind of communion shish kabob – ‘

Caller: (inaudible) “Shnork you Blippin wah wahthe Ehnn wah- eek Wa wa wa…”

Operator: “.Right. Remain calm. The collection basket had a long stick on it. Of course. Can you use to pry the wafer loose from the youngster’s mouth?…”


73. marisacat - 6 October 2008

oh that made me laugh.. Til I was coughing… LOL… the most important thing is the collection platte.

74. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

I think any sound survival plan should now include emergency containers of aerosol cheese to go along with the L’il Edible Jeebus freebie at Church.

75. marisacat - 6 October 2008

Call Jesus! Either one! Get confirmation this is not a sign (and it’s not a good sign either!)

[A] weeklong period in which Ohioans could register to vote and immediately cast a ballot ended Monday with turnout that didn’t quite match the expectations of election officials — or the campaign predictions that preceded it.

Early returns showed about 3,000 voters in Ohio’s four largest counties took advantage of the disputed policy, a surprisingly low turnout to some elections officials.

The window was expected to benefit Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama, as his campaign and advocacy groups pushed Democratic-leaning groups such as college students and low-income voters to the polls. //snip whippy//

76. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

71. well, you’re female, so you’re always getting in the way of the holy /bible

Tough job but somebody has to do it.

72. lol

74. L’il Edible Jeebus freebie at Church.

Free protein (and you can even make a cute little mosaic-topped table out of them too.)

77. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

When I last entered a Church, I found our collection baskets were still made of wicker, but with about a Six Foot Pole attached. Now I gather it’s an avereage-height German…

78. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

Okay. Yikes.

79. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

LOL, Catnip.

80. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008
81. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

I know what my grandherbs are getting for xmas. (The funny thing is that I think I actually have those patterns in a box somewhere…)

82. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

Mcat,a Whole lotta backstabbing going on in the clusterfuck that is Ohio. Clinton People (especially party apparats) NOT happy at all with the freshly picked Obama pumpkins running the field. Whole lot of couples counseling in order.

Trippi is advising Old Cleveland / M&A / Big Tobac Firm J.D. south of Columbus, whose partners decided to buy her a Dem primary to either spoil or get their representation covered by a coat-tail DINO. Thing is, the fall girl actually could win so all bets are off and Boehner AND Strickland’s peeps are wiping her ass out. LOL.

In other say -it-ain’t-so -Joe-not- so- news, Trippi has a dude named “darren’ on dk who apparently does little other than astroturf stories of Trippi clients.

I gotta hit the hay for now…Thanks as always for the posts and the camaraderie…

83. BooHooHooMan - 6 October 2008

G’Night, catnip and madman, too…

I’m out.

84. marisacat - 6 October 2008


ugh.. I will take a look at darren over there… all the names swim for me, a blur, when I follow a link or whatever posted here…

Ohio me o my o Ohio seems to catch everyone in its invisible swamps. I heard an interesting call years ago to the dead end Air America… that on the Walker side the Bushes were and had operatives in Ohio back to the Civil War. Never been able to find anything online… makes sense.

I also landed, by accident, plucking an ignored June/July Harper’s off teh kitchen table.. a rambling conversation between Kevin Phillips, Schaller (not a fan) and a couple of others.. along the way discussion that the Democratic party is the oldest running political party around. Not just here. And that it’s basicslly gone flat. (yes I know they should win and as we all know conservatives are on a time clock, running out, yeah yeah) And more converstaion abut how moribund and fucking stuck our whole system is.

It seems that somethng should come along to break everything up. Or break something.

Or, we are just stuck.

85. liberalcatnip - 6 October 2008

82. I gotta hit the hay for now

You have hay? Fancypants elitist.

86. lucid - 7 October 2008

The House of Sand and Fog

Well, I’m partial because I’m in love with Jennifer Connelly & Ben Kingsley… but – rent it.

Hi BHHM. So glad to see you’re on this side of the soil!

Must to bed.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

LOL, I can’t believe that the Obama campaign lost control of this Ayers thing. Jeebus, such old news, and so easy to defang.

Can’t they find some old Klan guys or Citizen Council guys to connect McCain to? Shouldn’t be hard.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

Off to work … have a good day everybody!

89. NYCO - 7 October 2008

Some data on fundraising in the four counties of CNY. Obama should be doing a lot better in Onondaga County than he is, considering that it has gone blue since the Clinton years. However, I was surprised to see Obama not too far behind McCain in fundraising in Cayuga County, which isn’t exactly a hotbed of liberalism. So maybe it’s just really tight.


Of course, nobody’s really got open pockets for either of these guys, around here.

90. Intermittent Bystander - 7 October 2008

Yo ho ho, Boo Hoo Hoo Man! And a carton of aerosol cheese!


catnip – do your grandherbs rob banks for their daily Maypo?!


Australia, Iceland, and Russia did things overnight. Yesteryear’s Iran-Contra is today’s corned beef hash. David Duchovny is out of rehab! And here’s a penguin parade to the sea.

91. marisacat - 7 October 2008

I just woke up… and saw this.. the next BBC email says we are denying it.

A US plane has entered Iranian airspace and has been forced to land, the semi-official Iranian Fars news agency says.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

92. marisacat - 7 October 2008

fwiw via Ben Smith…

A follow-up follow up

Lynn Sweet reported yesterday that the two campaigns had reached an agreement under which, among other things, moderator Tom Brokaw wouldn’t ask follow-up questions tonight.

But Brokaw wasn’t a party to the deal, I’m told, and hasn’t agreed to it, so the campaigns are expecting follow-up questions, a senior campaign official said.

93. marisacat - 7 October 2008

also fwiw.. the BBC story on the plane forced down in Iran

94. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

90. catnip – do your grandherbs rob banks for their daily Maypo?!

Not yet. The youngest one turns 1 this week so he’s in training. His running away skills need sharpening.

95. marisacat - 7 October 2008

What a hoot! The SNL skit, the one on Nancy and Barney and Bush, in particular a “cameo” of a couple who admit to making out like bandits from the whole scam, has been pulled from the site.

I cannot go read Malkin but Ad Age has a report on it


96. marisacat - 7 October 2008

LOL Nancy Pelosi approval ratings lower than Bush 23%

and congress? 13%

Per the new NBC poll.

97. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

I picked the wrong day to head out for physio. If you don’t hear from me later, I’ll probably have been blown away to Saskatchewan.

98. NYCO - 7 October 2008

In other news, Pakistan is apparently one month away from bankruptcy.

LINK to the Telegraph

99. marisacat - 7 October 2008

dow down [almost] 500 pts at the close… under 9500

hmm maybe Iceland has some clever ideas for Pakistan…. first it was just “a village” that got drawn in on some end of the subprime mess.. now it seems it might be Iceland, itself.

Topsy turvy…

100. NYCO - 7 October 2008

From what I understand, Iceland just sold itself to Russia, so I think they took care of it.

101. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008
102. marisacat - 7 October 2008

knew thread…………….


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