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Still peeking at the future… 7 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


Houses in the favela of Providencia in Rio de Janeiro which have been painted with the portraits of inhabitants who have lost relatives in the drug traffic conflict, as part of an exhibition by a French photographer known simply as JR .  [Picture: EPA via Daily Telegraph ]

FWIW… snagged from Chicago Trib’s Swamp:

Forty-one percent of all households tuned into the vice presidential debate, Nielsen has found – the second-most-watched of any presidential or vice presidential debate. And today, Nielsen reports that 61 percent of all households have watched at least one of the debates so far – the first one between presidential nominees Barack Obama and John McCain or the only one between Palin and Biden. Nielsen also has found that 30 percent tuned in to both debates.

Older viewers, those 55 and older, accounted for the largest share of both debate audiences – 42 and 36 percent. The Biden-Palin debate, with its much larger audience (69.9 million watching, versus 52 million for Obama-McCain) drew a slightly younger audience – with a median age of 52, versus the median of 54 for Obama-McCain.

The second of three presidential debates comes Tuesday night, at 9 pm EDT.

I’d be delighted if someone slapped someone in this mess… that seems to be what they really want to do. And not some silly ”glove” display, either, with the gray suede gloves hitting the upper set of cheeks.


There is a Marist poll kicking around from yesterday… they polled on Health Care, Obama comfortably outstripping McC as to who is more trusted to do anything about our FUBAR (think it was a 13 pt spread) …  HOWEVER, an interesting number, based on registered voters polled, was 78.

78% want something done about Health Care by the next president, no matter the financial situation of the nation or the national debt.

Then again:

Violence in Afghanistan is up about 30 percent this year compared with 2007. The Taliban and associated militant groups such as al-Qaida have stepped up attacks. More U.S. soldiers have died in Afghanistan this year than in any year since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion.

“We’re in a very tough fight,” McKiernan said. “The idea that it might get worse before it gets better is certainly a possibility.”

On and on it goes, where it ends, nobody knows.




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

Sad Guys on Trading Floors

Photoblog, link via Boing Boing.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

Homosexuals should carry warning tattoos, says London Stock Exchange chaplain

It is time that religious believers began to recommend specific utilitarian discouragements of homosexual practices after the style of warnings on cigarette packets: Let us make it obligatory for homosexuals to have their backsides tattooed with the slogan SODOMY CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH and their chins with FELLATIO KILLS.

3. marisacat - 7 October 2008

from the comments

#7 posted by Sekino , October 7, 2008 11:48 AM

So I guess they should be fair and tattoo priests with “Warning: I might teach your 8 year-old what biblical means”.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008


Oh, and just found this … I guess they weren’t gonna take the Ayers stuff for too long: McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair

WASHINGTON – Barack Obama has his William Ayers connection. Now John McCain may have an Iran-Contra connection. In the 1980s, McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption.

The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league’s chairman.

McCain’s tie to Singlaub’s council is undergoing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Obama for his link to Ayers, a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago. Over the weekend, Democratic operative Paul Begala said on ABC’s “This Week” that this “guilt by association” tactic could backfire on the McCain campaign by renewing discussion of McCain’s service on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, “an ultraconservative right-wing group.”

In two interviews with The Associated Press in August and September, Singlaub said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain launched his political career. McCain was elected to the U.S. House in 1982.

Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member.

5. marisacat - 7 October 2008

I still think the Singlaub connection will fall be hard to push… . I think what the Ob peopel are trying to push or reinforce (and It was Begala who first floated this, that I caught, on MTP) is that the org McC sat on the board of with Singlaub and other rightie nutties… was that it became, they say, a locus of anti semitism.

anti commie and anti jew works with a lot of people.

so…….. i kind of wonder. SInglaub uber military. Goes down well with many.

6. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

#2 LOL!!!


CHURCH of England vicars are to have the phrase ‘full of shit’ stamped on their foreheads, it was confirmed last night.

As vicars called for the labelling of gays, the Church agreed to a reciprocal arrangement which will see every Anglican priest branded with indelible ink.

A Church spokesman said: “We arrived at ‘full of shit’ after an extensive public consultation…

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

well, the boogyman mudslinging is the usual fight over suburban white women. Frankly I think a lot of them don’t know the weathermen from a hole in the ground, but who can say?

I say give them all baseball bats and axe handles with nails embedded in them.

8. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

That pic is really something. Wow.

9. marisacat - 7 October 2008


yes and the Telegraph did nto say much it was just in a collection of photographs of the week..

I thought i might google when I have a hcance and see if some global graffiti site perhaps has latched onto the artist and has other representations… or perhaps soemthing abut the exhitibt of photographs…

10. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008
11. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

i recall cstar posted a link to the photos a few weeks/months back, most likely from a site with a closer connection to the artist. iirc he mentioned living a bit away from that same, or perhaps a similar favela, at one time in his past. if he stops by maybe he still has the link.

12. marisacat - 7 October 2008

Not to worry! Sully chides his man thru pursed lips about Ayers.

I find Bill Ayers’ refusal to disown his use of political violence in the 1960s to be repulsive. If I were forced to meet him, I would not shake his hand. Obama’s fault, however, is not being a terrorist sympathizer, as Palin absurdly declares to mob cheers. Obama’s fault is in being a go-along-to-get-along Hyde Park liberal. You can see why he made the decision not to wreck polite liberal society in Chicago by calling out these former thugs.

LOL many roads lead to Ayers father, Thomas Ayers, head of Commonwealth Edison – ComEd – at one time, and why he/the son landed so well in Chicago, with Daley speaking kindly of him.

Cuz you know what most people, esp the likes of the Daley brothers, think of the 60s. Something along the lines of ‘why didn’t more just die then?”

13. marisacat - 7 October 2008


thanks for that bay… I had forgotten.. I can find that comment…

14. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

declining memory, go figure. madman posted the link i recall

75. Madman in the Marketplace – 31 August 2008

Scenes from Rio de Janeiro

one of the captions reads

A French photographer who identifies himself as JR is exhibiting portraits of women whose loved ones were killed by police as part of his project entitled “Women are Heroes.”

CSTARs commented on it

77. CSTAR – 31 August 2008

# 73 I used to live in Laranjeiras — it’s to the left about 2 km from picture #2 in that series. At the end of our street was a small favela (under 20000 — the big ones such as Rocinha have around 200,000) — several times the street we lived on was closed as “police” (called PM policia militar) with helicopters, small tanks and other armored cars raided the favela “in searrh of drug dealers” at the end of the street, Of course at the time, the biggest criminal gang was the PM itself, and it was hunting down its rivals that were taking away business.

I guess not a whole lot has changed.

15. marisacat - 7 October 2008

oh thanks again bay (and Madman)

16. bayprairie - 7 October 2008
17. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

oh Sully, silly man that loves him the ‘Merican right, those folks who worship a failed rebellion in the 19th century, back in the good old days when women were chattel and blacks were property and fighting to keep things that was was a “noble cause”.

YVW, though I’d forgotten that I posted that link!

Oh, and if you liked that, check out this

18. marisacat - 7 October 2008

hmm don’t think Ob really answered that.

19. marisacat - 7 October 2008


bay thanks… the boston.com link is loading… couple of great shots closer in of the favelas

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

I fucking hate these fake folksy “town hall” things. REAL town halls end up in shouting matches and fistfights.

21. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

20. Cookie, dear?

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

palin around with terrorists.

21 – rum cookie, please … hold the cookie, double rum.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

McCain & Obama, in unison: “thank you for asking me that overly respectful question, you rube. Can you hold still so I can pick your pocket and use the money to murder some a-rabs?”

24. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

This is a rerun, right?

25. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

22. No rum here, just cookies & tea. Sorry!

26. marisacat - 7 October 2008

Let’s hear it for Theresa!

27. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Obama: But you don’t want to see politicians pointing fingers…so bear with me while I spend the rest of the nite pointing fingers anyway. That’s “change” you can believe in.

28. bayprairie - 7 October 2008


drink tickets are where?

29. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Haha…Obama can’t attack Johnny on earmarks because he voted for some in the bailout bill.

30. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008


You must be flipping sloshed by now.

31. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

buzz “word” mcnasty!

32. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Health care is a “compelling national security requirement”?

33. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Obamalama supports a line item veto?

34. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

oh shut up about the minute rule, jeez.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

boy do they suck.

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

“we’re Americans, we’re SPECIAL and god loves us and we can shit gold bricks while singing beautiful love songs and building skyscrapers.”

37. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

We’re not rifle shots here. We’re Americans.

Alrighty then. Could have fooled me, but good to know.

9/11! Drink!!

38. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Is there a dance portion in this show? Nice big carpet there…

39. marisacat - 7 October 2008

dance portion.. LOL distribute circle skirts to both

40. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

last taxes raised herbert hoover.

right. idiot.

41. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

ooops. mr tv man has an agenda.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

I don’t think I can take much more of this. Oh, and now the fucking “social security is going broke” lie.

Gee, and the fucking “liberal” says “we’re going to have to take on entitlements.”


43. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Ronald Reagan! Drink!!

(Holy fuck, this is boring.)

44. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

oh noeeee digging up tip o’neill! its not even halloween yet.

45. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Brokaw: We have rules, dammit! Okay. I’m gonna break those rules now.

46. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

That’s 2 Liebermans for those playing Republican bingo – (in case you missed the first one).

McSurge scares me when he uses that excited whispery voice.

47. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

tom just needs to go fuck himself.

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

Ummmm, Senator, the French, Japanese and English nuclear power plants are primarily gov’t owned. I wouldn’t trust corner-cutting American corporations to go anywhere near nuclear plants. I don’t trust them to run the ones they have safely. Google Indian Point.

49. marisacat - 7 October 2008

did mcc say ”that one”…?

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

I’m losing count of how many times McCain is lying, and how many times Obama is avoiding saying anything clearly.

We are so well and truly fucked if this is what passes for leadership in this country.

51. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

The “eek” section?

52. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

There just isn’t enough caffeine here for me to get through this.

53. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Don’t you have community health centres and walk-in clinics?

54. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

nah.. that state line crap thing is nuts. state regulation state courts.

55. marisacat - 7 October 2008

from Ambinder:

9:51: Am getting a lot of e-mails about McCain’s “THAT ONE.”

9:50: Obama asked if health care should be treated as a commodity.. uses opportunity to outline his health care plan.

9:49: The candidates have a substantive exchange on off-shore drilling and nuclear power.

9:48: McCain points at Obama: “That one” — as in — “That one” voted for the 2005 energy bill. That was a little too aggressive.


I had looked away from the TV and was not sure

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008


57. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Children shouldn’t go to emerg for asthma? Is he nuts?

58. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

I missed the “that one” moment. And it looks like that could be the highlight of the nite. Bummer.

59. bayprairie - 7 October 2008



60. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

America is the greatest force for good in the history of the world? Exsqueeze me?

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

57 – in many poorer American cities, kids don’t get any treatment for asthma until they have an attack, when they’re rushed to an emergency room. Of course, when you boil it down to bullshit shorthand in a bullshit forum like this, it just sounds stupid.

62. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Did Obama just say the US didn’t step in to stop the holocaust?

63. marisacat - 7 October 2008

Jake Tapper posts an email he got at about 8:30 ET

Meanwhile, an e-mail comes across my screen:

Markets are open in Asia … and it looks like the sour trading day in the Americas has rolled across the Pacific.

Japan: Down 2.67%
Australia: Down 4.06%
New Zealand: Down 2.03%
Korea: Down 2.72%

– jpt


there goes ObRama making the case for neoliberal intervention. I have loved all the open discussions about who has sovereignty anyway, post Myanmar. We are so good so great, we may intervene!

64. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

61. It sure didn’t make sense the way he put it.

65. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Well, Obamalama is in for a bit of a surprise when he finds out that Karzai wants to talk to the Taliban again, speaking of “peace treaties”.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

Obama really does suck in this format, and it’s perfect for a bullshit snakeoil salesman like McCain.

I don’t understand why the donks keep agreeing to do these stupid “debates” anyway. All of the various formats favor ridiculously simplistic soundbites and liars.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

ummmm, the Afghan “freedom fighters” WERE the Taliban.

68. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Obama: We’re both big-mouthed idiots. So there.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

McCain filibusters and lies, Obama clumsly tries to respond, Tom whines “but the RULEZ” …

… pathetic, the lot of them.

70. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

66. I don’t understand why the donks keep agreeing to do these stupid “debates” anyway. All of the various formats favor ridiculously simplistic soundbites and liars.

I think you answered your own question there.

71. marisacat - 7 October 2008

think the rulezzzzzzzzzz died.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

yup, nothing funnier than singing about slaughtering human beings.

“I know how to murder women and children from the air.”

war hero my ass.

73. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Jeebus. There is no military solution to be found in Afghanistan. What doesn’t Obama get about that?

74. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Do they have endless poppy fields in Iraq? No. Is 90% of Iraq’s economy dependent on those poppies? No. So how the hell do those two think this surge crap will work in Afghanistan? Mon dieu, they’re annoying.

75. marisacat - 7 October 2008

this has been horrible. At least the first one, useless as it was, had bigger chunks of time.. several minutes each in 9 minute rounds.

76. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Vote for me. I’m clairvoyant!

77. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Which part of “yes or no” don’t you understand?

78. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Oh. I was waiting for the Israel pandering. You can’t get through a debate without kissing its feet.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

anybody who votes for either of these fucking monsters is fooling themselves.

war, war, more war …. oh, and WAR.

… and tax cuts.

80. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

Obama bio. Drink!!

81. marisacat - 7 October 2008

food stamps.

You’d think the bastard would work to [ut a little more money in FS.

And the dumb fuck Americans can’t ask about things FOR THEMSELVES.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

why do I watch this shit?

83. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

There’s another one of these?? Why?

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

everytime I see “independent voters” interviewed, like MSNBC is doing, I am just amazed how inarticulate most people are.

85. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008
86. bayprairie - 7 October 2008

the website of the artist JR


87. marisacat - 7 October 2008

thyat was intresting catnip… this was at the bottom

An April 18, 2007 Bloomberg News article about top campaign bundlers noted that Obama addressed the Goldman’s annual partners meeting 2006 in Chicago.

Brooks in the NYT made a comment a few months ago in a column that GS “already runs a lot of the government and will be ahppy to run more of it”…

can’t remember the subject of the column it was in…

88. marisacat - 7 October 2008


thanks bay

89. lucid - 7 October 2008

everytime I see “independent voters” interviewed, like MSNBC is doing, I am just amazed how inarticulate most people are.

And every time I see most of our elected leaders interviewed I’m also amazed at how inarticulate they are… a nation of the intellectually challenged voting for a bunch of rich intellectually challenged power mongers…

90. marisacat - 7 October 2008

I had to mostly stop lisstening to call in on CSpan Wash Journal. The fact that non English speakers were so much more fluid iwth language and expression, ordering their thoughts, got ot me.

It is not just hesitation with a medium or being thoughtful. There is massive brain [to mouth] breakdown out there.

We recited poetry as small children and read aloud, in school I mean. I don’t like limiting it to that (culturally it is narrow), but something has to be done that invigorates children and young people to speak with some authority.

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

89 – yup

90 – it’s depressing, isn’t it? You can see people searching out the camera before they talk, and then they have nothing to say.

92. lucid - 7 October 2008

90 – reading aloud is very important. We did that as well – particularly when studying things like Shakespeare. Perhaps adding a required debate component could help as well.

93. marisacat - 7 October 2008

well it tells you that in many schools and many homes children, at some point, are being thwarted. Then people get into stunted jobs.

I think that is a lot of it.

Because of expostion of so many abuses this year in how farm animals (raised for food) are handled, we have a chance to vote on a state wide ballot mandating treatment. I am nto hoping for much (little inspection, I am sure, tho I have nto read the bill yet) but i wish we could vote for

Free Range for People


94. marisacat - 7 October 2008


we debated too, from 4th or 5th grade.. And of course a lot was happening, too, to debate.

95. liberalcatnip - 7 October 2008

93. Funny that you mentioned “free range”. That’s what I was thinking about the debate format with those 2 walking around – out of their cages.

96. marisacat - 7 October 2008

I laughed at one point, someone emailed the schnauzers at the Corner, that he had turned it off and had on Law and Order.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 October 2008

95 – just a bigger cage.

98. marisacat - 7 October 2008

the parties should pick fighters, who fight to the death. Which ever party the survivor represents, the chosen “leader” ascends to the office.

This, none of it, is working. Just not.

99. lucid - 7 October 2008

OT – Bay asked me to comment on the 2008 winner’s of the Nobel. I hadn’t read who won yet and just googled tonight… now I know why – our good friend Luc Montagnier. Just a few notes off the top of my head.

Montagnier discovered what he thought was a retro virus in patients suffering from AIDS in the early ’80’s. He has clearly stated in an interview at the Pasteur Institute in July 1997 ‘we did not purify’ the particles – and while he did note a correlation between these particles and those suffering from AIDS, he drew no causative conclusions. It was around this time that Robert Gallo at NIH, as a last dying gasp in his failed retroviral cancer research that led to his disgrace as a scientist, was proposing that maybe AIDS was caused by a retrovirus. He knew about the particles that Montagnier had found and asked if he could get them to his lab to study. Then… shocker, before any papers were published in scientific literature, Gallo held a joint presser with the CDC and announced that he had found the cause of AIDS and it was a retrovirus called HTLV-III [later renamed HIV]. Of course his papers were not only laughable, but he falsified his research. Congress later held investigations in 1993 which stripped Gallo of his claim, awarding the patents to Montagnier as, though Gallo claimed he had isolated the retrovirus, he had actually used Montagnier’s particles. Janine Roberts actually published a book recently with copies of Gallo’s un-redacted research showing that not only did he simply steal Montagnier’s particles but he told his top assistant to completely change the conclusions of the research though the data did not bear out those changed conclusions… Weird and wild stuff…

Funny thing about Montagnier – he’s never actually said the HIV causes AIDS – in fact quite the contrary he’s been consistently on record as saying that ‘HIV is not the sufficient cause of AIDS and even reiterates the factor of oxidative stress in his Nobel interview:

I think there are factors; I’ve been promoting a virical cofactor for a long time.

This is not the standard party line on HIV=AIDS. While he still believes HIV is a necessary factor in AIDS, he rejects all the mumbo-jumbo about it directly killing T-cells, etc. In fact it was Montagnier’s comments about oxidative stress that inspired the Perth Group to first investigate whether or not oxidative stress itself is a sufficient cause of AIDS – and their research bears out that hypothesis much moreso than 25 years of HIV research bears out the HIV=AIDS hypothesis.

What do I think is going on here? I think the scientific community is finally beginning to backtrack on HIV. More and more ‘AIDS’ researchers are admitting off the record that they have increasing issue with the HIV hypothesis. By writing Gallo out of the history [and hence the HIV=AIDS hypothesis he promoted], it gives the scientific community a chance to backtrack on 25 years of really shitty science without the outcry that would occur if they simply announced, ‘oh, sorry, we were wrong’.

100. lucid - 7 October 2008

big comment on Montagnier’s Nobel in spam…

101. lucid - 7 October 2008

I guess not anymore 🙂

102. Intermittent Bystander - 8 October 2008

Hey lucid – that was me, asking, and Marisacat posted a UK Telegraph link (‘Therapeutic vaccine’ for AIDS within four years, Nobel Prize winner predicts) shortly thereafter.

Appreciate your thoughts on the Nobel winner and context – thanks!

103. Intermittent Bystander - 8 October 2008

Central banks cut interest rates (BBC).

Seven central banks – including the Bank of England – have cut their interest rates by 50 basis points.

The UK rate move – which had not been expected until Thursday – puts interest rates at 4.5% from 5%.

The US Federal Reserve has cut rates from 2% to 1.5% and the European Central Bank (ECB) trimmed its rate from 4.25% to 3.75%.

The central banks of Canada and Sweden and Switzerland all took similar action in the co-ordinated move.

China also cut its rate by 27 basis points.

The unprecedented step is aimed at steadying a faltering global economy and slumping stock markets.


The announcement came hours after the UK government unveiled plans for a £50bn rescue plan for UK banks.

104. Intermittent Bystander - 8 October 2008

Chemistry Nobels out this morning – Trio win prize for fluorescent jellyfish protein.

Osamu Shimomura of Japan and US duo Martin Chalfie and Roger Tsien on Wednesday won the Nobel Chemistry Prize for a fluorescent protein derived from a jellyfish that has become a vital tool in research.

Green fluorescent protein (GFP) has revolutionised lab work in medicine and biology, enabling scientists to get a visual fix on how diseases spread in mice and lab-dish cells or whether cells respond to treatment, the Nobel jury said.

105. marisacat - 8 October 2008


Gallo was so clearly a shyster, I remember that presser.

What a nightmare, Into its third decade.

106. marisacat - 8 October 2008

market about to open…………………….

gah.. feels like a smallish to biggish volcano is about to surge.

Antoher word they killed, “surge”. The government is a danger to the language.

107. marisacat - 8 October 2008

falling……………………. -150

108. aemd - 8 October 2008

I hope the CB rate cuts slow the crash down but I have a bad feeling the cuts will make things worse. Shoveling more debt into this debt saturated system hasn’t worked so far. Seems to have accelerated the crash.

109. marisacat - 8 October 2008

it is sorta rising now… up 120.. but it feels fragile. And why not.

And god knows there is no leadership in view, just chumps lining up and a semi battle, possibly mostly over, for the keys to the meatlocker.

110. marisacat - 8 October 2008


think I just heard a re[prt that the Dow is down 13% in two weeks.

I am so glad we have had 40, no nearly 50!, years of the Best and the Brightest. we surely did………………………

111. liberalcatnip - 8 October 2008

Video of Kucinich at Tuesday’s oversight committee hearing talking about the Goldman Sachs v AIG relationship.

112. lucid - 8 October 2008

IB – sorry… sometimes I skim if I haven’t had a chance to catch up in a few days… Just remembered that someone had asked me to comment.

As for the ‘theraputic vaccine’, to me that really signals that the scientific commmunity at large is really starting to consider that they may have been wrong. What the hell is a ‘therapeutic vaccine’? A vaccine is a vaccine – it theoreitcally injects inactive virus into the host so that it creates antibodies to fight any active infection it may encounter. Given that HIV infection is construed in the exact opposite manner as ‘viral infection’ [i.e. evidence of ‘antibodies’ in HIV is construed as having ‘active’ infection, while having antibodies for any other virus is construed as the body having gotten over, or been immunized to an infection], how exactly would a real ‘vaccine’ have worked?

But the powers that be are extremely concerned about managing the collapse of the hypothesis – they need to backtrack on it in stages, over years, so that the general public doesn’t really notice. Otherwise it would be lawsuit central – after all, even mainstream AIDS practitioners are on record having said ‘we killed a lot of people with AZT…’ Unfotunately it won’t stop Bono and Gates from flooding Africa with ARV’s.

113. marisacat - 8 October 2008

I think all Africa has been is a bought and paid for testing ground. And most fearsome is that food, medicine, intervention and whatever else is fully tied to the US military/AFRICOM and the likes of Gates and Buffett (he neatly boxed off so he can benefit by hiding billions from IRS, but not on a “need to know” about foundation doings – he stays Uncle Buffie) and other orgs fully tied to the US government….

There is a new article out today on how AFRICOM is moving into place, swiftly. And I think one of Ob’s first assignments (personally he is so without power it is nto funny) is to be the Leader face for the implementation of AFRICOM.

114. marisacat - 8 October 2008


It is a safe banking system, a sound banking system, and our regulators are on top of it
This is a very manageable situation

Henry Merritt ‘Hank’ Paulson Jr.
July 20, 2008

115. marisacat - 8 October 2008

Our understanding of the best practice in monetary policy evolved during Alan Greenspan’s tenure at the Fed, and it will continue to evolve in the future

Ben Bernanke
US President Appoints Dr. Ben Bernanke for Chairman of the US Federal Reserve
The Oval Office, White House
October 24, 2005


I say replace “evolve” with “crash”…

what a hoot! As ordinary epople see small amounts of money wiped out or seriously hacked into.

I am wandering thru a page at The We… peppered thru are comments from a writer at Global Research and quotes from Paulson and Bernanke. Such great guys. Best and Brightest. God save us!

116. lucid - 8 October 2008

113 – to be honest, colonialism never ended, it just became respectable.

117. liberalcatnip - 8 October 2008

Daddy Warbucks needs to learn how to speak plain English. The only thing I managed to get from his little news conference was “don’t panic”.

118. liberalcatnip - 8 October 2008

It’s SNOWING here! Sheesh.

119. Intermittent Bystander - 8 October 2008

On the run, but just saw this Freudian slip from the POWster:


“Across this country, this is the agenda I have set before my fellow prisoners and the same standards of clarity and candor must now be applied to my opponent.”

120. aemd - 8 October 2008

That went well. DJIA down 189. Could of been worse, I guess, most likely will be tomorrow…

#118 LC…. got a friend of a friend, crazy as a shithouse rat but witchy as hell… said, in June, this winter is gonna be a real bitch. Who knows….

121. marisacat - 8 October 2008


new post………


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