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In the red…………… 9 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


No thoughts, deep or shallow.  How can anyone keep up………….



1. marisacat - 9 October 2008

This ws at the end of the last thread, from Madman… so Imoved it forward

Little hopeful signs here and there: LGBT High School Planned For 2010

The school’s focus is to provide LGBT students a safe haven from being bullied, which advocates say leads to a high dropout and depression rate. Bill Greaves, Chicago’s LGBT liaison, says part of Pride Campus’s curriculum will focus on “gay and lesbian historical” figures, like James Baldwin and Gertrude Stein, in hopes of giving students heroes to look up to (we’re down for the John Waters A/Vclass). The school will serve 600 students, but Chicago Public Schools CEO Arnce Duncan says the student body will be “majority straight.”

Pride Campus will be similar to other LGBT schools like Harvey Milk High School in New York City and Alliance High School in Milwaukee. While Chicago officials appear to have nothing but good intentions for Pride Campus—especially considering today’s political climate toward homosexuality—skeptics of the school say it amounts to segregation and relieves CPS of ensuring schools are safe for all students. “I just don’t like the idea of segregation. The values that this school should incorporate, every school should incorporate,” Rick Garcia, political director of Equality Illinois, told Sun-Time columnist Mark Brown. “Every kid should be safe in every school. If we’re going to set up a separate school, why don’t we put the bullies in those schools?’

2. NYCO - 9 October 2008

DETROIT (Reuters) – The global auto market may experience an “outright collapse” in 2009 amid growing concerns around credit availability of credit and general economic stress, an influential industry tracking firm said on Thursday.

J.D. Power and Associates forecast U.S. light vehicle sales would fall to 13.2 million units in 2009 after likely settling at 13.6 million units this year, adding that a pronounced recovery is more than 18 months away.

As many as 3,800 U.S. car dealerships could fail this fall and into 2009 — nearly one in five — because of weak sales, increased operational costs and the credit crunch, according to a forecast released on Wednesday.

I drive past the local “Automobile Row” on the way to work. The biggest Dodge dealership on the strip – occupying two lots on both sides of the street – appears to have closed, but reportedly has not. There is nothing in the lots any more except a sign that says “See Our Indoor Showroom.” Peering into the windows, I can see 2 or 3 trucks. It looks like a butcher shop from Soviet Russia, where they would have a single leg of lamb on display in the glass case.

That said, a Volvo dealership has just expanded and has red white and blue banners fluttering gaily.

3. NYCO - 9 October 2008

Oh, and I have to add – the dealership is called Sam Dell Dodge… one of their advertising slogans for sales was “What in the Sam Dell is going on here?” Useful slogan…

4. marisacat - 9 October 2008

Roubini’s piece at REG Monitor is much tougher than the piece in Forbes. As NYCO said, now that the current version of Depression is nigh the Wall St Washington boys admit to Recession. So blessed, we are.

[A]t this point the risk of an imminent stock market crack – like the one-day collapse of 20% plus in US stock prices in 1987 – cannot be ruled out as the financial system is breaking down, panic and lack of confidence in any counterparty is sharply rising and the investors have totally lost faith in the ability of policy authorities to control this meltdown.

[…] when AIG was bailed out to the tune of $85 billion the market did not even rally for a day and instead fell 5%. Next when the $700 billion US rescue package was passed by the US Senate and House markets fell another 7% in two days as there was no confidence in this flawed plan and the authorities. Next as authorities in the US and abroad took even more radical policy actions between October 6th and October 9th (payment of interest on reserves, doubling of the liquidity support of banks, extension of credit to the seized corporate sector, guarantees of bank deposits, plans to recapitalize banks, coordinated monetary policy easing, etc.) the stock markets and the credit markets and the money markets fell further and further and at an accelerated rates day after day all week including another 7% fall in U.S. equities today.

When in markets that are clearly way oversold even the most radical policy actions don’t provide rallies or relief to market participants you know that you are one step away from a market crack and a systemic financial sector and corporate sector collapse. A vicious circle of deleveraging, asset collapses, margin calls, cascading falls in asset prices well below falling fundamentals and panic is now underway.

At this point severe damage is done and one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression. It will take a significant change in leadership of economic policy and very radical, coordinated policy actions among all advanced and emerging market economies to avoid this economic and financial disaster. Urgent and immediate necessary actions that need to be done globally (with some variants across countries depending on the severity of the problem and the overall resources available to the sovereigns) include:

he has a list which includes..

– a rapid reduction of the debt burden of insolvent households preceded by a temporary freeze on all foreclosures;

But the Dems are (only for political traction reasons) debunking the McC suggestion (which I realise is different than the above bullet point). Ob himself broadly suggested the same/similar thing as McC months ago (just saw the quote earlier today, will try to find it) Ambinder is even trying to say what McC suggested (in a Hail Mary of unseen proportions for a R) is ILLEGAL.

It’s not. Esp with Paulson’s powers. EVEN I can see that.

We are so blessed.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

First, that is a very striking photo! Very cool.

Sadly, I feel a need to share this symptom of America’s continuing twisted inability to deal with youthful sexuality:

… prosecutors in Newark Licking Valley, Ohio have charged a 15-year-old of sending child pornography to friends at a high school. However, the cell phone pictures are of herself. The illegal use of minor referenced in the charge is herself.

The girl has entered a denial juvenile charges of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material and possession of criminal tools. She is the minor being misused by herself. This seems a lot like charging an attempted suicide as an attempted murder.

6. marisacat - 9 October 2008

Oh thank you on the photo, at least on finding it… 😉

I feel for that child. Trapped in every way.

7. marisacat - 9 October 2008

I see it is Jonathan Turley.. well there is hope. she needs real legal help.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

Obama Buys 30 Minutes of TV Time

Sen. Barack Obama has purchased a half-hour of airtime on CBS, reports Live Feed.

“The Obama campaign will air a half-hour primetime special on Wednesday, Oct. 29, at 8 p.m.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

Geez, time to turn off the cable “newzzzzz” … I just heard Pat Buchanan use the made-up work “afroracist” on the replay of Hardball, talking about Rev. Wright, of course.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

ooops, that’s “made up WORD”.

11. marisacat - 9 October 2008

I read Ob is negotiating with FOX and NBC… I assume with ABC as well.

What do we do? Raise the “O” signifier in our living rooms? Or will he put his hand on the camera lens like Brother Bob and ask us to touch hands?

12. liberalcatnip - 9 October 2008

Pepe Escobar: Wall Street: A new Iraq War

As for Obama buying teevee time, my first thought was that maybe he wants to debate himself.

That pic is very Jackson Pollack-like.

13. marisacat - 9 October 2008

Here is that Ob quote on buying mortgages:

Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the idea was not a new one and noted that the Illinois senator had raised it. On Oct. 1, in a news release, Obama said he intended to

‘encourage Treasury to study the option of buying individual mortgages like we did successfully in the 1930s.'”

(Bob Drogin And Maura Reynolds, “McCain Mortgage Plan Would Bail Out Homeowners,” Los Angeles Times, 10/8/08)

Via Geraghty.

I don’t care who said it, took it back, used it, renigged, bitched or moaned (shove them all off teh cliff) but it is one thing that has to happen. Not that it will.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

Speaking of in the red: Nikkei at 12:17 ET

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008
16. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

some help to get that Ohhhhh in Obama.

17. marisacat - 9 October 2008

Think I got Nikkei on one and Hang Seng on the other, but both are down. N was down 9% and HS was down 7%

18. bayprairie - 9 October 2008

i’ll have one large popcorn, a bottle of nitrous and a mask please.
Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

Tomorrow’s going to be ugly. How will those poor traders recover from the stress?!?!

“I haven’t changed anything,” said Anthony, 27 of the Upper East Side, who works in trusts and estates and couldn’t give his full name, and eats out seven days a week, three times a day. “Do I think the people of my generation who have only known excess will change? No.”

The $1,000 Lap Dance
The VIP Club, a gentleman’s club in Chelsea, introduced the high-priced lap dance Wednesday.

“A beautiful woman is a good distraction from anything,” said Joe Goncalves, general manager.

Hostess Mona Ricks said that more men have been streaming in recently despite the downturn in economy. “There are still people with a lot of money,” Goncalves said. “For the men who come in it’s a way for them to show off that they still have it.”

Getting away from it all
Some Wall Streeters gave up one guilty pleasure but wouldn’t let go of travel. A man who grabbed a drink with a friend on Stone Street Wednesday said he cut back on eating out but is heading to South Beach this week.

“It’ll probably be expensive, but I’m still going,” he said. “I travel extensively, and I’ll still do that.”

Federal statistics show air travel has kept up, at least in the first half of the year.

Best, brightest etc …

20. liberalcatnip - 9 October 2008

18. Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

I thought that was an Onion headline. Seriously.

21. bayprairie - 9 October 2008

nitrous is the only means of coping with such ridiculous news.

rumor has it palin’s adopted her unique defense after consulting with henry kissinger regarding his upcoming war crimes trial before a judge and jury composed largely of himself.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 October 2008

you betcha!

23. liberalcatnip - 9 October 2008

21. lol (you’re kidding, right?)

24. marisacat - 9 October 2008

I know one thing I can’t take any more years of anybody photographed with halo effects.

What stupid country this is… meaning the people who run our lives

link to The Page

25. marisacat - 9 October 2008

HA! I could stand wine coming from the taps.

26. marisacat - 9 October 2008

ugh GM fell 33% TODAY… I got it wrong earlier. Thought it was across several days.

I cannot keep up.

27. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

CNN: Singapore and New Zealand officially in recession. Indonesian markets closed for 2 days. Asian markets tanking. CNN actually cut into its Larry King rerun (at 1:30 am here) to go to CNN international to report the bad news.

28. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008
29. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

In other news: Canada rated world’s soundest bank system: survey

BUT that doesn’t mean we aren’t having our share of problems too.

30. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

Maybe Canada should buy Iceland…

31. bayprairie - 10 October 2008

today’s silly string

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes

WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.

So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification…

32. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Just caught Volcker on Charlie Rose. Sheesh I wonder if he is past it. He burbled things like “it [referring to what comes out of this] can’t be the fragile thing it has been for years” and “it’s been a Potemkin village” and then he’d scrabble together a best and greatest and strongest slobber.

They all went nuts. Over the years.

33. bayprairie - 10 October 2008
34. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I just caught Alan Sloan (Newsweek writer I think) on NIghtly Business Report.. and one of the things on his list of modern programs that will save us from this becoming The Great Depression was the unemployment insurance system.

Oh but they said today the CA system will run out of money early next year.

And the Democrats sure don’t seem anxious to add two more segments of 13 weeks each to the standard 26 weeks. Do they?

35. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Martti Ahtisaari, ex-Finnish leader and peace negotiator, is awarded the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize for “important efforts” to resolve conflict.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

36. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Gallows humor, somewhere around tonight I saw a headline

12 More Days to Zero

Yes if it keeps falling………………. the little grafs on the FP of the NYT are not heartening.

37. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Kleiman has a page up on how ACORN fields its paid staff collecting registrations.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

34 – the unemployment system that both parties have been slowly destroying for decades? He’s kidding, right?

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Time to get ready for work, but just had to share a bit of idiocy on MSNBC. Paraphrasing Erin Burnett: “we’re the one country that can possibly still deal with this crisis, and that is something to be proud of.”


Oh, and “we” … isn’t she Canadian? Have a good Black Friday everybody.

40. CSTAR - 10 October 2008

36 When it gets to zero, my advice is…… BUY!!!!

41. NYCO - 10 October 2008

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes

Isn’t that what most governors do, however? (Granted the “I love cows” thing is silly)

42. aemd - 10 October 2008

DJIA down 1006. Back up to -868 then down 937 Damn this is a hell of an opening.

43. NYCO - 10 October 2008

Actually, Yahoo’s figures on the Dow are incorrect this morning for some reason. See here for an accurate chart-


From the WSJ on Iceland:

After years of scorning fishing as dirty and boring, the paper-money princes may have second thoughts. “Those especially who have been raised in small villages close to the sea, they still have it in their blood,” says Mr. Leifson. “I think it is just a question of moving back.”

There are signs of that. It has been “slightly easier in the past couple of months” to lure back workers who fled fishing for the boom in home construction — an offshoot of the easy-credit days, says Eggert Gudmundsson, chief executive of HB Grandi, Iceland’s biggest fishing company. Bankers who might want to return had better be prepared to get wet. “We have very small overhead, so we will not be hiring a lot of office people,” he says.

Wonder if there will be a similar exodus from urban careers here?

44. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Dow recovering, for now. Down only -65 at 10:15 ET.

Obama was just on MSNBC . . . “only thing to fear is fear itself,” etc.

Dubya apparently scheduled to depress the world further from the Rose Garden shortly.

45. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Connecticut State Supreme Court expected to issue ruling in Kerrigan et al versus the Connecticut Department of Public Health today.

Eight same-sex couples sued in 2004, saying their constitutional rights to equal protection and due process were violated when they were denied marriage licenses.

The plaintiffs want the court to rule that the state’s marriage law discriminates against them because it applies only to heterosexual couples, therefore denying gay couples the financial, social and emotional benefits of marriage.

46. NYCO - 10 October 2008

I wouldn’t be surprised if quite a few prodigals returned to my area from the Promised Land (North Carolina was a popular place for exodus). I don’t see a trend starting, but I know quite a few people who have either come back or want to come back from places like N.C., Texas, Las Vegas, California, etc.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Nato to attack Afghan opium labs (BBC).

Nato has agreed its troops will be allowed to attack opium factories for the first time in Afghanistan.

Alliance spokesman James Appathurai said troops will act with Afghan forces “against facilities and facilitators” using drugs to finance the Taleban.

Such counter-narcotics operations have until now been carried out by Afghan forces. The US wants more aggressive tactics against the opium trade.

Nato defence ministers reached agreement at a meeting in Budapest.

Anybody open any fruit juice factories yet? Almond processing plants?

48. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Opium labs in the mod pod, I think.

Venezuela has shut down all McDonalds restaurants in the country for 48 hours, pending a tax investigation.

Dow down – 391 at 11:30 am.

49. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I just hear d being down 388 called “a rally”

50. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Looks like the plaintiffs won in Connecticut!

Decision and dissenting opinions here.

51. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

From the decision:

Even though the right to marry is not enumerated in our constitution, it long has been deemed a basic civil right. Although we traditionally have viewed that right as limited to a union between a man and woman, “if we have learned anything from the significant evolution in the prevailing societal views and official policies toward members of minority races and toward women over the past half-century, it is that even the most familiar and generally accepted of social practices and traditions often mask unfairness and inequality that frequently is not recognized or appreciated by those not directly harmed by those practices or traditions. It is instructive to recall in this regard that the traditional, well-established legal rules and practices of our not-so-distant past (1) barred interracial marriage, (2) upheld the routine exclusion of women from many occupations and official duties,, and (3) considered the relegation of racial minorities to separate and assertedly equivalent public facilities and institutions as constitutionally equal treatment.” In re Marriage Cases, supra, 43 Cal. 4th 853-54.

Like these once prevalent views, our conventional understanding of marriage must yield to a more contemporary appreciation of the rights entitled to constitutional protection. Interpreting our state constitutional provisions in accordance with firmly established equal protection principles leads inevitably to the conclusion that gay persons are entitled to marry the otherwise qualified same sex partner of their choice. To decide otherwise would require us to apply one set of constitutional principles to gay persons and another to all others. The guarantee of equal protection under the law, and our obligation to uphold that command, forbids us from doing so. In accordance with these state consitutional requirements, same sex couples cannot be denied the freedom to marry.

The judgment is reversed and the case is remanded with direction to grant the plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment and application for injunctive relief.

52. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

An accomplishment with a message: Morgentaler receives Order of Canada

QUEBEC–Abortion rights activist Henry Morgentaler has been awarded the Order of Canada.
Morgentaler is best known for taking his fight to have the country’s abortion laws struck down in the Supreme Court about 20 years ago.

His naming to the Order of Canada sparked protests from across the country with some members returning their orders and abortion opponents saying the award devalues the honour.

The Order of Canada is the country’s highest civilian honour to recognize a lifetime of outstanding achievement and dedication to the community.

53. NYCO - 10 October 2008

Some problems with Obama donations… more funny than ominous…

An analysis of campaign finance records by The New York Times this week found nearly 3,000 donations to Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, from more than a dozen people with apparently fictitious donor information.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, highlighted the more than 2.5 million donors it had to wade through. “We have been aggressive about taking every available step,” he said, “to make sure our contributions are appropriate, updating our systems when necessary.”

But even a contributor who used the name “Jgtj Jfggjjfgj,” and listed an address of “thjtrj” in “gjtjtjtjtjtjr, AP,” was able to contribute $370 in a series of $10 donations in August.

A pair of donors named “Derty West” and “Derty Poiiuy,” who listed “rewq, ME” as their addresses and “Qwertyyy” or “Qwerttyyu” as either their employer or occupation, contributed a combined $1,110 in July.

Read more about Test Person, Doodad Pro and Fornari Usa here.

54. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Hartford Courant.

In a statement released minutes after the decision was announced, Gov. M. Jodi Rell said she disagreed with it, but uphold it. She said she was proud to sign the state’s civil unions law in 2005, the first in the nation enacted without a court mandate, and thought it was “equitable and just.”

“The Supreme Court has spoken,” Rell said. “I do not believe their voice reflects the majority of the people of Connecticut. However, I am also firmly convinced that attempts to reverse this decision — either legislatively or by amending the state Constitution — will not meet with success. I will therefore abide by the ruling.”

Opponents were obviously disappointed in the ruling. “The court has just usurped democracy in Connecticut and redefined marriage by judical force,” said Peter Wolfgang, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut.

The opposition will now turn its sights to the November election, when voters will be asked whether the state should convene a constitutional convention. “Connecticut voters will have one opportunity on Nov. 4 to reassert their right to self government. We must vote yes.”

Meanwhile, a victory party will be held at Hartford’s Hilton Hotel tonight at 7 pm.

55. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Good news on Morgentaler, too!

56. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008


“Connecticut voters will have one opportunity on Nov. 4 to reassert their right to self government. We must vote yes.”

What does that mean? Secession?

57. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008


But even a contributor who used the name “Jgtj Jfggjjfgj,” and listed an address of “thjtrj” in “gjtjtjtjtjtjr, AP,” was able to contribute $370 in a series of $10 donations in August.

Maybe he was trying to buy a vowel.

58. NYCO - 10 October 2008

You know what cracks me up about the fake Obama donor names… it’s like the person(s) didn’t even have any imagination to make anything up. They just ran their fingers across the keyboard, producing QWERTY and FDSA.


59. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I think all the states should have constitutional conventions. Air it all out, people on all sides are unhappy.

But I can hear it now, COST.

Our vote on the high speed rail will go down to defeat. Pundits and columnists and talk radio (Dem aligned) are not even saying to send a message with a YES vote.


Nouriel Roubini had a good lsit of what we need, and it MUST come from the Federal government… in the link somewhere upthread to his stronger piece in RGE Monitor. His alternative, just as Feldstein intimated last week on Charlie Rose, is 10 years of depression, of one sort or antoehr, but not a 2 or 3 year recession.

I will try ot keep that report of his handy and check in a year, two years. Three years.

60. NYCO - 10 October 2008

New York can only have a constitutional convention once every 20 years, IF the voters decide to. Nice racket.

61. NYCO - 10 October 2008

AP headline: “Bush Calls For Calm Among Global Stock Market Panic.”

Considering all that has been and done during his years in office, is anyone — anyone at all — surprised to finally see this headline appear? It was almost foreordained.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

NYCO – Connecticut has the same once-every-20-year deal. It just so happens that this year’s ballot will include the option.

The last time CT had a CC was 1965, and the constitution that resulted is the one in place now, though it’s been amended 30 times, according to Wiki.

I like the “just trying to buy a vowel” theory!

BTW – ToqueDeville has this DK rec list diary this morning:
PLEASE, Get Your Facts Straight on ACORN.

Itals are from an ACORN memo quoted therein:

Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

ACORN can’t not turn in bogus applications. They are legal documents, no matter who brings them in, and they are required by law to turn them in no matter what.

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards.

63. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Sorry, CT convention link above was from Ballotpedia, Wikipedia.

64. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Aargh, meaning not Wikipedia.

65. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I think what ACORN, or part of ACORN does, fielding paid canvassers to register voters, is some of the toughest work around. Just hard, making it all work, etc.

But the route the R always take, why ACORN is on the hot plate (other than Ob runs for the hills when their name is mentioned, that part of him is so tedious) and why they are BATS on voter ID (other than it is a great way to knock out voters on election day, intimidate people, etc) is their old argument that the Dems massively fraudulently register. gah.

You know in 00 there were tons of federal CDs in which the Republican Party was under Federal watch, from the DOJ, for tampering with the vote. Three districts just S of here, around Monterey, where they worked to block the Latino vote, for one. At one point I nearly got the impression they were under a national Federal watch. But the Democrats never stressed that, they never made it front and center.

And the years go by and the elections go by. And the parties engage in soft and hard collusion.

66. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Apparently there is a 1 PM ET conf call to the media on ACORN and Ob, from McC camp.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Agree the Dems never seem to get up on their hind legs to fight the bogus voter boogeymeme. FFS, donkeys . . . is it so hard to talk about basic suffrage? And as you say, recent voter suppression and misdirection history is littered with massive elephant droppings.

68. marisacat - 10 October 2008

knew thred……………….


…………………… 8) ……………………..

69. bayprairie - 10 October 2008



k. i’ll call and raise

Palin’s Troopergate scandal was fabricated by Bill Ayers

revealed in that story is a link to the incredible truth of who really wrote Dreams From My Father


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