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Red Winter 10 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


Red illuminated ice crystal – Antarctica

Floyd Norris has this list up:

Here are year-to-date figures, in dollars, for various countries. In each case, the numbers are for a major index. The figures are through a few minutes ago  [FN posted at 7:43 AM ET], so they reflect midday Friday prices in Europe and do not include Friday prices in the Western Hemisphere.

United States, down 38%
Canada, down 41%
Mexico, down 45%
Brazil, down 55%
Argentina, down 42%
Chile, down 41%
Peru, down 52%

Britain, down 47%
Germany, down 49%
France, down 47%
Spain, down 44%
Switzerland, down 35%
Italy, down 51%
Portugal, down 51%
Iceland, down 73%
Ireland, down 61%
Netherlands, down 53%
Belgium, down 52%
Denmark, down 44%
Finland, down 54%
Norway, down 55%
Sweden, down 48%
Greece, down 58%
Austria, down 60%
Poland, down 48%
Russia, down 65%
Hungary, down 54%
Ukraine, down 74%
Lithuania, down 55%
Turkey, down 57%
South Africa, down 48%
Israel, down 30%

Japan, down 39%
Hong Kong, down 47%
China, down 57%
Taiwan, down 40%
South Korea, down 53%
Australia, down 53%
Singapore, down 45%
India, down 58%
Indonesia, down 50%
Malaysia, down 39%
New Zealand, down 46%
Philippines, down 50%
Pakistan, down 49%
Vietnam, down 61%

Italics are his… seem to be the BRIC countries.  He has additional commentary and caveats following the list.



In the previous thread I linked to Nouriel Roubini’s stronger column at his own RGE Monitor… but here will extract the full list of what are his prescriptions.  Geesh, better Dr Roubini than Jesus-Oh.

[A]t this point severe damage is done and one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression. It will take a significant change in leadership of economic policy and very radical, coordinated policy actions among all advanced and emerging market economies to avoid this economic and financial disaster. Urgent and immediate necessary actions that need to be done globally (with some variants across countries depending on the severity of the problem and the overall resources available to the sovereigns) include:

– another rapid round of policy rate cuts of the order of at least 150 basis points on average globally;

– a temporary blanket guarantee of all deposits while a triage between insolvent financial institutions that need to be shut down and distressed but solvent institutions that need to be partially nationalized with injections of public capital is made;

– a rapid reduction of the debt burden of insolvent households preceded by a temporary freeze on all foreclosures;

– massive and unlimited provision of liquidity to solvent financial institutions;

– public provision of credit to the solvent parts of the corporate sector to avoid a short-term debt refinancing crisis for solvent but illiquid corporations and small businesses;

– a massive direct government fiscal stimulus packages that includes public works, infrastructure spending, unemployment benefits, tax rebates to lower income households and provision of grants to strapped and crunched state and local government;

– a rapid resolution of the banking problems via triage, public recapitalization of financial institutions and reduction of the debt burden of distressed households and borrowers;

– an agreement between lender and creditor countries running current account surpluses and borrowing and debtor countries running current account deficits to maintain an orderly financing of deficits and a recycling of the surpluses of creditors to avoid a disorderly adjustment of such imbalances.

At this point anything short of these radical and coordinated actions may lead to a market crash, a global systemic financial meltdown and to a global depression. At this stage central banks that are usually supposed to be the “lenders of last resort” need to become the “lenders of first and only resort” as, under conditions of panic and total loss of confidence, no one in the private sector is lending to anyone else since counterparty risk is extreme. And fiscal authorities that usually are spenders and insurers of last resort need to temporarily become the spenders and insurers of first resort. The fiscal costs of these actions will be large but the economic and fiscal costs of inaction would be of a much larger and severe magnitude. Thus, the time to act is now as all the policy officials of the world are meeting this weekend in Washington at the IMF and World Bank annual meetings.

When I went back, I saw he had added:

Thursday midnite update: A few hours after I had written this note the market crash that I warned about is underway in Asia: the Nikkei index in Japan is down 11% and all other Asian markets are sharply down. This reinforces the urgency of credible and rapid policy actions by the G7 financial officials who are meeting in a few hours in Washington and the need to also involve in such global policy coordination the systemically important emergent market economies.


hmm I just scammed this from the top of the page at The Corner… maybe there are trickles of hope. That crowd is pretty clueless, but seem to be getting A Clue:

[I]reland has already taken this step, hence “the Irish solution.” I heard a money-market broker making this same point on NPR’s Planet Money yesterday:

NPR’S ADAM DAVIDSON: These guys are pretty unimpressed with what’s happened so far. They say the $700 billion bailout is not going to open up these short-term credit markets. They say it’s like spitting in an ocean to raise the water level. They insist that what has to happen is that the government has to guarantee all deposits in all the major banks, not this FDIC thing up to $250,000, but all deposits, full stop, or else banks won’t start lending to each other. And that affects all of us, because if banks don’t lend to each other, they don’t lend to you, they don’t lend to me, they don’t lend to your boss who pays your salary and on and on.

MONEY-MARKET BROKER: The interbank market basically in the United States… not basically. The interbank market is frozen. For the simple reason that — and you hear this everywhere you turn — banks are afraid to lend to each other. And until the U.S. Treasury stops the primping and posturing of ‘We’re going to take an ownership stake here, we’re going to do this, we’re going to do that,’ all they need to do is say one thing: We guarantee deposits six months and in, and this will loosen up.

$11 trillion. The Paulson plan “spitting in an ocean.” I have no idea whether these guys are right. But I agree with the argument that once other countries (Ireland) start doing this, the pressure to follow suit will be hard to resist at a certain point. Capital will gravitate to the countries where bank deposits are guaranteed.


LOL In case your day week month has not been topsy turvy enough, the offspring of WFB declares his vote for Obama. Which is the problem with Ob, not that he is Marxist, Leftist, Leninist, Trot, or whatever the hell they paint, it is that he yearns for his conservative – and religious – backers. In both parties.

Blessed we are…

[O]bama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.

So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.




1. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I see the Dow is at 8128……………………………..

down 400+ something or other. the numerals swim in front of me.

2. NYCO - 10 October 2008

It’s probably starting on its final trajectory downward after a rote 2 pm rally.

3. marisacat - 10 October 2008

puhleeze jesus god or ob, let it be. Cillizza looks at the senate races and thinks, obviously from Schumer’s lips to his ear, that 60 is within reach.

Here’s hoping

4. marisacat - 10 October 2008

graph from teh FP of the NYT


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6. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Drudge has a finance google headline that the Dow dropped 22% in a week.

And Ob is paying just under a million for the half hour on one network. $$$$$

7. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Waiting for Troopergate Report, in Juneau.

The Legislative Council is gathering in Anchorage to receive its report from investigator Steve Branchflower. We’re expecting the council to hear from Branchflower in a closed session, followed, at some point, with a decision whether to issue the report.

Palin supporters are there with balloons and clown noses, in a super-cute reference to circuses.

Last Anchorage Daily News blog updates:

Update 9:20 a.m.: Kyle reports they just closed the blinds on the window into meeting room and shut the door.

Before they closed the door, Rep. Peggy Wilson asked if Sen. Kim Elton if he had enough time to digest the report.

“I could have spent four days …” he said.

Before the meeting, we rode the elevator with Rep. Max Guttenberg.

‘What’s the headline?’ Wes asked.

‘Page 97, appendix B’ he said.

Not sure if that was a joke or tip.

Update: 10:45 a.m.: Sen. Lyda Green just stepped outside and asked if reporters if they realized the closed proceedings could take hours. She indicated they were just a little bit into the report.

Friday night, holiday weekend . . . whatever the news dumpage, it will have to compete with the trading floor bloodbaths this time.

8. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Whoops, my bad . . . closed-door meeting obviously not in Juneau, but Anchorage.

9. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Some Einstein letters up for auction… Guardian extracts from a few:

Letter 1: April 8 1948

First, an introductory remark which has nothing to do with the content of your April 2 letter. You proceed from these premises: The USA wants a supranational organisation [World Government], the USSR is averse to this because of its aggressive attitude. I believe that this characterisation of the psychological state of affairs is not justified.

Now to your proposal. We agree on the following: only World Government can produce security. Where we differ is in the thesis that we must compel Russia to join before it re-arms and can attack others. I doubt whether this is the right route to take. Better to let Russia see that there is nothing to be achieved by aggression, but that there are advantages in joining. Then the Russian regime’s attitude will probably change and they will take part without compulsion. Our differences of opinion are significant as long as it is uncertain whether the USA really wants to bring about a World Government.//snip//

10. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Oh have a bitter laugh. Palast on with Amy (and I see she has Ohio SofS as well and a profile of voter roll purges – links over in the R hand sidebar)

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, one of the things that we were talking as the film was playing, the—you’re not often getting Democratic leaders in some of these states really raising a ruckus about this issue.

GREG PALAST: Oh, yeah.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And why is that? In terms of your investigations, for instance, in New Mexico, you mentioned that some of the Democratic leaders were willing to go along with these kinds of purges.

GREG PALAST: Well, as—you know, why don’t Democrats stand up? For the same reason as jellyfish. They don’t—you know, invertebrates, but—or as my co-author, Kennedy, said, they’re cowards. But, you know, he’s true blue. I’m not a Democrat. And, by the way, the guide is totally nonpartisan, so you—which means you can take it into the booth with you, by the way, to protect yourself, the Steal Back Your Vote comic.

And why don’t the Democrats protect voters? Because they’re in on the game. As you saw in New Mexico, you had Democratic Party officials knocking off the Native American vote, which is huge in New Mexico. It’s a swing vote in New Mexico. And they’re all Democrats—Native Americans—almost to a one. But they wanted to stop a uranium mine locally, and so the local policy want their baksheesh from the uranium mine are knocking off Native American votes. We see this in Colorado, we see this in Florida, where local Democratic officials are in on the purge, in on the game, trying to block the low-income minority voters. There are so many dangers now for the new voter, for the minority voter, for the elderly voter. There are so many tricks that they’re using now. It’s not one thing.

You know, I think a lot of people remember me from busting open the Florida purge of 2000 when Katherine Harris said that thousands of black folk were felons, when their only crime was voting while black. You know, that was kind of the magic bullet they gave in Florida. Kennedy, my co-author of the comic book and Rolling Stone article, showed how they stole Ohio.

Now what we see is a nationwide kind of Floridation of the nation, under something called the Help America Vote Act, because, you know, Bush is now trying to help us vote. It’s under the Help America Vote Act, where it’s like a whole series of things. So we have the mass purges. We have new ID laws.

How many new voters in America that have just signed up and all of those Obamaniacs realize that if you mail in your ballot on a first-time vote, almost every state requires you to also include a photocopy of your government ID?

Obama is going to lose a million votes from absentee ballots which are mailed in without ID. It’s a new requirement. They don’t tell you that. In some cases, like Kentucky, you’ve got to serve—you have to notarize it. I mean, it’s completely out of control, the mass purging.

Oh Ob the Organiser will have dealt with pesky small stuff like that.

What a fuckign SHADOW GAME.

11. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Speaking of typos, idiot Dems, and shadow games . . .

Barack ‘Osama’ on Rensselaer County ballots.

he misspelling, which elections officials on both sides of the aisle insist was simply a typo, is causing embarrassment for the county.

”No question this is an honest mistake innocently done,” said Edward McDonough, the Democratic commissioner. ”We catch almost everything.”

”This was a typo,” said Republican Commissioner Larry Bugbee. ”We have three different staff members who proof these things and somehow the typo got by us.”

About 300 absentee ballots were sent out.

One Sand Lake resident who caught the misspelling, and who asked to remain anonymous, was skeptical.

”It’s a little suspicious and at least grossly incompetent,” the voter said. “If I crossed out the name and wrote in the right spelling my ballot would be invalid.”

12. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Biggest one day range on the Dow, ever. Think I heard it closed only 40 off…

13. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley both struggling

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc shares slumped on Friday after Moody’s Investors Service said it might cut their ratings, reviving worries that they might not be strong enough to survive the credit crisis.

Stock of Morgan Stanley, the No. 2 independent investment bank after Goldman, fell 33 percent on doubts that a planned $9 billion cash injection from Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc (MUFG) would be completed as announced last week.


Morgan Stanley looks increasingly wobbly to some investors as its share price plummets, but analysts said the bank would be more likely to find buyers than Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc , whose bankruptcy last month set off a chain reaction which shook investors confidence in much of Wall Street.

In the worst case scenario of no buyers emerging, the government would be unlikely to let the bank fail, a person close to the matter said. […]

14. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

From the last thread:

Palin’s Troopergate scandal was fabricated by Bill Ayers

Bless the righties for contributing to moments of comedy gold with their insane rantings.

15. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Morgan Stanley once treated me and 6 coworkers (the company prez couldn’t make it) to drinks and dinner at the Stadium Club, followed by all the beer and popcorn we wanted, in their box seats behind home plate at Yankee Stadium. New York won, and home runs occurred. It was my first baseball game ever, and I was praised for the quality of my questions about the mysterious rules.

A lot of laughs, but maybe I shouldn’t have ordered the rack of lamb. . . .

16. marisacat - 10 October 2008


Meet the Press: Gov. Corzine, ex-Rep. Portman

Face the Nation: Gov. Ritter, Sen. Graham, Mayor Wilder, Rep. Putnam

This Week: TBA

Late Edition: Steve Forbes, Begala and Carville

Fox News Sunday: McCain manager Davis, Obama strategist Axelrod, Gov. Pawlenty, Gov. Rendell

17. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Down – 128 at closing.

Banker-financed beer and popcorn in the mod box, I think.

18. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

Colin Powell: Stevens reputation ‘sterling’

WASHINGTON – One of the nation’s best-known retired Army generals, Colin Powell, described Sen. Ted Stevens in court today as a “trusted individual” and a man with a “sterling” reputation.

One word: “tubes”

19. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

cat jumpin’ and other kitty pics on the Alaska Daily News site. That cat looks like an xmas tree topper.

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22. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

One word: “tubes”

Are we sure that Powell quote isn’t a typo for “swirling” ???

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24. marisacat - 10 October 2008

oh that is too bad… I love cursor. Esp their Media Transparency side. I alswys scan it, have it as a default homepage on AOL.

25. marisacat - 10 October 2008

OK there is all kinds of “stuff” out there about ad spending… and pulling resources.

Hell if I know, but there is this, McCain went up here, Northern Cal, I don’t know about So Cal, but I would guess state wide, 6 weeks ago, on the networks. Positive and negative ads. At least in my area, it took Ob 2 weeks to get up on the networks.

They both seem to be running abut 3 different ads.. and the ads from both are still up. It can’t be cheap, if McC is so strapped.

26. marisacat - 10 October 2008


it is snowing in downtown Reno.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Architectural time travel

Above is a series of images from Bryan Boyer, who recently completed an MA in Architecture at the Harvard Graduate School of Design. Here’s Boyer’s task, as described by him at the blog he maintained while the project was on foot:

[T]he design project I’ve chosen for myself is to redesign the US Capitol building.

The short version of the pitch is that the Congress is broken… [yet however] much we dislike the current administration, they’re playing by the rules of the game, more or less.

In the course of my research I discovered an interesting coincidence in the history of the US House of Representatives. Intended to grow with each uptick of the census and maintain something of a parity with the population, the House of Representatives actually stopped growing in 1911. The date has no significance, but it’s interesting to note that 435 is about as many people as can comfortably fit into the chamber of the house as it stands today (the current chamber was first occupied in 1858 with 262 desks). In other words, the House’s membership stopped growing because of architecture, not politics. By interfering with the political process of the country, in 1911 the US Capitol changed from monument to memorial.

The real issue is what architectural questions we can address with the Capitol as our vehicle. The primary issue at stake here is how one may develop a sense of monumentality without fixity. Perfect static environments, little capsules of space preserved for future generations, are memorials that purposefully mark a certain moment in time.

The whole thing is really interesting.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

51 & 52, last thread.

Great news about gay marriage in CT, and thumbs up to the canucks for honoring Henry Morgentaler.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Following the snow theme, here’s the website (with video, photo, and artist blog entries) for a Cape Farewell expedition to Disko Bay in Greenland, which just concluded on October 6.

2008 Disko Bay.

From the description of this year’s expedition in Cape Farewell’s Wikipedia entry:

The Art/Science crew begin on 25 September their 9 day sail in West Greenland, visiting the spectacular Disko Bay area. Working in partnership with the British Geological Survey, the scientists will extend their investigations of climate change with extensive surveying below the seabed. The expedition will then continue west, towards Canada where oceanographers will measure an ocean tract across the Labrador Current.

The crew: Musicians Laurie Anderson, Vanessa Carlton, Jarvis Cocker, Leslie Feist, Robyn Hitchcock, Ryuichi Sakamoto, KT Tunstall, Martha Wainwright, Luke Bullen, Beatboxer Shlomo, Composer Jonathan Dove, Comedian Marcus Brigstocke, Theatre Makers Mojisola Adebayo, Suzan-Lori Parks, Artists Kathy Barber, David Buckland, Sophie Calle, Jude Kelly, Michèle Noach, Tracey Rowledge, Julian Stair, Chris Wainwright, Architects Francesca Galeazzi, Sunand Prasad, Poet Lemn Sissay, Photographer Nathan Gallagher BBC presenter Quentin Cooper, Senior Lecturer (Open University), Joe Smith, Activist David Noble, Media Executive Lori Majewski and Film Director Peter Gilbert join Oceanographers Simon Boxall, Emily Venables and Geoscientist Carol Cotterill for a journey to the Arctic and the frontline of climate change.

30. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

Fuck. Cursor is suspending publication.

That sucks. They linked to my stuff fairly often. Not that I have a bottom line to be concerned about if they don’t but it was nice to have more readers now and then.

22. Are we sure that Powell quote isn’t a typo for “swirling” ???


31. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

26. it is snowing in downtown Reno.

Good to know…mwahahaha

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Palast has been doing such great work on disenfranchisement. Ignored, of course, by the infotainment celebrities in the corporate ‘merikan media.

33. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Artists and musicians are visiting Arctic glaciers in moderation, I think.

(WordPress doesn’t like me much lately.)

Update from Anchorage: Alaskan Legislative Council just voted 12-0 to release the Troopergate report, except for portions with confidential info. Reporters are scrambling around for paper copies, now, apparently. Unclear when electronic version will be uploaded to the web.

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36. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Mark Crispin Miller: Repubs Will “Challenge” Obama Victory

As predicted (here and elsewhere), the Republicans are using their huge propaganda apparatus to accuse the Democrats of planning to steal this election. To anyone who knows what’s actually been going on these last eight years, the charge is laughable — or would be, if it weren’t so dangerous.

It’s dangerous because so many of our fellow-citizens still haven’t learned the facts about the stolen races in 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006, or about the GOP’s long preparations to subvert the next election, too. Such facts are still unknown because the press has not reported them, nor have most leading Democrats even acknowledged them. That silence has now made it very easy for the GOP to pose as victims of election fraud and vote suppression — and thereby to suppress more votes, and perpetrate an even greater fraud this time around.

What the party’s done thus far is use the myth of Democratic “voter fraud” not just to cloud the issue, but to justify the passage of Jim Crow legislation, like the photo ID law in Indiana, the birth certificate requirement in Pima County, Arizona, and other measures meant to disenfranchise Democratic/Independent voters by the tens of thousands.

And now the party plans to push that strategy to its ultimate expression: an effort to undo a Democratic victory on Election Day.

On Wednesday, Investor’s Business Daily posted an editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” The tease: “ELECTION FRAUD: A radical group Barack Obama used to work for is committing voter-registration fraud in several states, ahead of the election. What does Obama know about this scam?”

The whole piece is a tissue of such shrill crapola, which it would take much precious time to blow away. Suffice it to say (one more time) that ACORN has, all along, been scrupulous in its observance of the laws (necessarily, since every move they make is under hostile scrutiny); and that the outfit has prevailed in every lawsuit brought against them by the GOP. As noted earlier, moreover, these recent ACORN “scandals” are a load of rubbish, patently contrived for propaganda purposes. In short, there’s nothing there, as any rational observer will discover right away.

But the GOP is not engaged in rational debate or honest inquiry, but dealing in sensational canards, so as to lay the groundwork for another stolen race–just as in Florida eight years ago, when Bush/Cheney’s men deployed exaggerations, lies and livid buzzwords (and a telling moment of mob violence) to subvert the true result
of that election and install themselves in power. The strategy for this election is laid out explicitly in the last paragraph of the Investor’s Business Daily editorial:

“McCain would be wise to start preparing a challenge to voter registration rolls should he lose the race in a close contest. He’d be crazy not to contest the results in light of these events.”

And so we would be crazy to allow the GOP to play that trick on us again. It’s therefore time to set the record straight: about what Bush & Co. has done to our elections in this century, and what they’re doing now (the Democrats, as usual, colluding in such evil by just sitting there). Only by aggressively exposing the Big Lie that the Republicans are pushing can we keep them from reversing their quite possible defeat on this Election Day–a loss that they apparently foresee, or they would not be getting ready to “contest” it.

And they won’t laugh at challenges during the certification of election returns like that fucker Gore laughed at the CBC.

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38. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Martial law in spam, I think.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

oops, never mind!

40. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

MitM – Ugh. But aren’t we ALL European socialists now? I believe the One World Government is arranging the purchase of all the banks as we speak.

lc – Amazing photos.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

38 – we’re serfs, chattel, expendable. Comfortable serfs, but that won’t last long.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Prosecuting Weathermen

Re “Politics of Attack” (editorial, Oct. 8) and “Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths” (front page, Oct. 4):

As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof

Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008

I think of all the many things that disgust me about modern American “culture”, it’s the idea that there is NO forgiveness or redemption civily of criminals or other outcasts, that the ONLY road to “redemption” is thru some embrace of far-right religiousity.

43. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Sorry! for the delay…

2 of Madman’s out of moderation

1 frm catnip and

1 from IB…

a ways up thread, sorry!

44. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Alaskan legislative committee concludes Palin did commit unlawful “abuse of power.”

Investigator Stephen Branchflower, in a report by a bipartisan panel that investigated the matter, found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain.

In other news, apparently the GOP knuckledraggers actually booed McCAIN today, when he tried to walk back the Obamaturrist shtick. Not so easy to stop the hounds, once you’ve unleashed them, eh?

45. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

George Soros on Moyers Journal tonight.

Quite the Friday news night!

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

44 – I think as the economic meltdown deepens, and all of those credit cards suburbanites have been living on close down, that some serious winger violence is going to spread.

NOT looking forward to the next couple of years.

47. marisacat - 10 October 2008

A reader just popped me this…

Naked Capitalism: Intl trade seizing up…

“Before cargoes can be loaded at port, buyers typically must produce proof they are good for the money. But more deals are falling through as sellers decide they don’t trust the financial institution named in the buyer’s letter of credit, analysts said.

“There’s all kinds of stuff stacked up on docks right now that can’t be shipped because people can’t get letters of credit,” said Bill Gary, president of Commodity Information Systems in Oklahoma City. “The problem is not demand, and it’s not supply because we have plenty of supply. It’s finding anyone who can come up with the credit to buy.”

So far the problem is mostly being felt in U. S. and South American ports, but observers say it is only a matter of time before it hits Canada.

“We’ve got a nightmare in front of us and a lot of people are concerned it’s going to get a lot worse,” said Anthony Temple, a grain marketing expert based in Vancouver….

Access to credit is key to the survival of maritime trade and insiders now say the supply is being severely restricted. More than 90% of the world’s trade by volume goes by ship…”

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49. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Maybe, incrementally, we inch toward a West Coast strike. One of the things I wait for……………………

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

47 & 49 – and the connection needs to be made btwn rabid unfettered capitalism, militarism and how it is ultimately destructive to workers and open trade between nations. I would love to see more strikes like the ones that dockworkers did against the war not long ago out west.

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52. marisacat - 10 October 2008


well I think Perrin has it about right. IMO Ob does what is expedient in the political environment he finds himself in, no real strength (as I see it) and no courage. Occasionally he gets a glimmer (and do think he knows what he does), but it passes fast for contemporary expedience.

The most entertaining thing at the moment is a Biden voice over in a push back ad on the Ayer Rezko push from McCain side.

LOL Biden, that drug war hard ass and pusher of tons of crime leg. War pusher. Hard ass for anti crime measures. Part of his voice over is to say, if you wonder who Ob will seek out and rely on for legal matters (recalling, I did not write it down) “you’re looking at him”

We are so blessed, as Ob is weak and wants to stay in power.

Yes, Joe, I got it.

One fo the very few things Bill C did that was right was to pardon the two Weatherman, a man and a woman, still lanquishing in prison… and to pardon the even earlier Puerto Rican nationalist revolutionaries, also still languishing.

But then Ford pardoned Felt, mentioned up thread in the letter from the former prosecutor of Ayers. Felt himself prosecuted (one of only two, iirc) for acts committed under COINTELPRO (in the Ayers case)… and most recently presented to us as Deep Throat.

53. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Soros says: Deal with foreclosures (homeowner relief), recapitalize the banks, and then deal collectively with global warning via major gov’t investment, as a new “motor” to replace the broken engines of the economy. (His book is all about the new “paradigm.”)

Now Kathleen Hall Jamieson is trashing pretty much everyone for incendiary campaign ads, repetitive lies, and fantasyworld promises. Oh, and craptastic media wimpery. (Her book is all about Dirty Politics.)

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Jamieson seemed very Gergen-like to me. Weird parsings of “nastiness”, and way to eager to be “fair” about the various types of “attack politics”.

I say give them all blades and clubs. There are deep divisions and problems in this society, and it’s far past time to have them out.

55. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I enjoyed Jamieson, but YEARS ago. I watched her fall in love with McC over the past two years.

Very odd.

Considering so many are falling all over themselves to declare he is now, suddenly, the John they never knew. To echo Ob on his own walk aways.

The most entertaining have been Eliz Drew and Chris Buckley.

LOL I’ll be around for the next round of regrets.. hopefully.

56. marisacat - 10 October 2008

From the close of Perrin:

Since Barack Obama is not against imperial war per se, just the kind that isn’t managed effectively, he really can’t respond to the right on principled grounds, only tactical ones. It’ll be interesting to see how reactionaries assess Obama’s war making in the coming years. He’ll be killing those whom right wingers insist are the enemy, but to them, it’ll be for the wrong, insidious reasons. Hmmm. Sounds familiar.


57. marisacat - 10 October 2008

I think the thing that gives me the most frquent chuckle is Ob’s careless promise, long ago, he and his run were past the old divisions. Post post post baby.

Whooo hooo. AND we added some new chapters to the old divisions.

58. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Yeah, Jamieson’s fair-and-balanced both-sides-are-guilty routine can be a little irritating when she seems to set up technical equivalencies between rhetorical attacks of obviously different cultural magnitudes and potential consequences.

Of course both sides are guilty of deceptive advertising . . . but as you suggest upthread at 46, fomenting hate mobs in the current economic climate is a lot more worrisome than the usual sleight-of-hand with senatorial records. (Hard to imagine the Charlie Daniels/Ted Nugent brand of American serfdom lined up neatly in fedoras for soup kitchens and laborer jobs, as people were doing in some of the photos that catnip posted upthread.)

I thought she was pretty good on rejecting the acceptance of “Hussein” – a relatively common name in America – and “Muslim” as smears, though.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

so much carelessness. Ob’s idea that we are past race, past hate, and McCain’s idea that you can demonize an opponent for the far right in this country then act surprised when the rhetoric turns dangerous and violent.

So little honesty about what this country is, about the divisions in this country. About the hate and murder that BUILT this country. The genocide and racism that built this country.

What did McCain expect when he picked a far-right activist like Palin as a running mate, and what did Obama think when he picked a mercenary for the ultra-rich and bankers like Biden as HIS running mate? Populism in this country has historically been ugly, and the refusal of BOTH parties to recognize CLASS in this nation only feed the worst things about populism while making the best things impossible.

We’re in such a mess, and Obama’s rhetoric feeds it as much as McCain’s.

Maybe Obama should listen/enlist Richard Trumka a little more, a white union leader who is confronting the racism in this nation FAR more than Obama will:

In a speech before the national convention of the United Steelworkers in Las Vegas in July, an emotional Trumka said, “We can’t tap dance around the fact that there are a lot of white folks out there” — a lot of them are good union people, he added — who “just can’t get past this idea that there’s something wrong with voting for a black man.”

In the speech, Trumka went on to say that while there are many reasons to vote for Obama, there’s “only one really, really bad reason to vote against Barack Obama. And that’s because he’s not white.”

A recording of that speech has been widely circulated, thanks to YouTube. Since then, Trumka has repeated it at union halls around the country.

Trumka is white. Asked why he is giving this speech, he told the story of a conversation he had the day of the Pennsylvania primary in his hometown of Nemacolin in the southwest corner of the state.

“This woman walks up to me. I’d known her for a long time, and I ask her ‘Have you decided who you gonna vote for?’ ”

“There’s no way I’d ever vote for Barack Obama,” the woman responded.

Trumka said he pressed her as to why. First, she said it’s because Obama is “a Muslim.” Trumka responded that Obama is actually a Christian.

Then, she told him Obama never wears an American flag pin on his lapel. Trumka told her that, too, is false, then asked her why she wasn’t wearing one if that is such an important issue.

Trumka said he continued to push, until “her eyes dropped down and she said to me, ‘Well, he’s a black man.’ ”

Trumka said he told her to look around at their town, the mining community where they both had lived for so long. “And I said to her, ‘This town is dying — literally dying.’ ”

It’s a line that he includes, verbatim, whenever he delivers his speech.

“Our kids are moving away because there’s no future here,” Trumka said in the United Steelworkers convention address. “And here’s a man, Barack Obama, who’s going to fight for people like us, and you won’t vote for him because of the color of his skin? Are you out of your ever-loving mind?”

The audience erupted in applause.

He might be overly optimistic to expect that Obama is gonna do shit about the working persons’ plight, but at least he’s confronting the divisions.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

WordPress really really hates me tonight.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Inside Operation Highlander: the NSA’s Wiretapping of Americans Abroad

A top secret NSA wiretapping facility in Georgia accused of spying on Americans illegally was hastily staffed with inexperienced reservists in the months following September 11, where they worked under conflicting orders and with little supervision, according to three former workers at the spy complex.

“Nobody knew exactly what the heck we were doing,” said a former translator for the project, code named Highlander, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “We were figuring out the rules as we were going along.”

Former Army Reserve linguist Adrienne Kinne, who worked at the facility at Fort Gordon, won new attention this week for her year-old claim that she intercepted and transcribed satellite phone calls of American civilians in the Middle East for the National Security Agency. Senate intelligence committee chair Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) opened a probe into the alleged abuses after ABC News reported on them Thursday.

Threat Level spoke with Kinne extensively last year about the alleged systematic surveillance of Americans and others operating in the Middle East following the 9/11 attacks. She provided a number of details about some of the calls and how the operation was conducted.

Aid workers and journalists were specifically targeted in the program, and their phone numbers were added to a “priority list”, Kinne said last year. Among those under surveillance were workers from nongovernmental organizations such as Doctors Without Borders, the International Committee of the Red Cross, and the United Nations Developing Countries Program, as well as journalists staying in Baghdad at the time of the Iraq invasion. The intercepted calls included conversations among American, British, Australian and other civilian foreign nationals in the Middle East, as well as conversations between aid workers and journalists in the Middle East and their family members in the United States.

“If it was happening then I’m sure it’s happening now, and who knows on what scale,” Kinne said. “That’s the thing that really bothers me.”

But at the time we were unable to confirm her account of the spying. Two coworkers of Kinne’s, who spoke with Threat Level on condition of anonymity, conceded that the group operated under ambiguous rules and with poor supervision, but insisted no deliberate eavesdropping on Americans occurred.

Now a second former Arabic linguist with the Navy has corroborated her claims to ABC, and to NSA expert James Bamford, who includes the story in his upcoming book Shadow Factory.

If the allegations are true, it would seem to indicate that warrantless spying of Americans approved by President Bush following 9/11 expanded rapidly beyond U.S. borders to citizens overseas, notwithstanding United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18, or USSID 18 — an NSA rule that bars overseas surveillance of Americans without authorization and probable cause.

Kinne first raised her allegations in July 2007 to a blogger named David Swanson whom she’d encountered after an anti-war protest. Threat Level contacted her a couple of days later and spoke with her a number of times over several months.

Kinne, who is 31, served in the U.S. Army Reserves as a sergeant and an Arabic linguist from October 2001 to August 2003 at a U.S. Army Signal Center at Fort Gordon, Georgia, which operated as a listening post for the National Security Agency. Kinne had served active duty in the U.S. Army as an intelligence linguist with a top secret SCI security clearance from 1994 to 1998, and was in the reserves on September 11, 2001.

In desperate need of Arabic translators with classified clearances, the Army called Kinne’s reserve battalion for active duty. Kinne served with the 201st Military Intelligence battalion, which is part of the 513th Military Intelligence brigade.

Kinne said that during the time she was at Fort Gordon, the government was intercepting and listening to phone calls made by American citizens and allies working for aid organizations and media outlets.

At first, Kinne didn’t think they were doing anything wrong because in mid-2002, several months after the surveillance began, a supervisor told her group of linguists and analysts that they had received a “waiver” that allowed them to intercept and listen to the conversations of Americans. The waiver also gave them permission to spy on British, Canadian and Australian citizens Kinne said.

Under federal law, such a waiver would usually require special national security circumstances –- such as an imminent threat of death or attack. But Kinne said the people whose conversations she targeted didn’t discuss information of a military or terrorist nature, and the interceptions occurred over the entire Middle East –- not just in war zones. The surveillance was still going on when Kinne left active reserve duty in August 2003.

Kinne’s mission at Fort Gordon, which was given the name Highlander, intercepted only communication sent through satellite phones, which included faxes. This represented a change from her active duty in the 1990s when her group had intercepted only live radio transmissions involving military targets in the Middle East. The operation that began in 2001 involved region-wide interceptions, which meant that satellite calls of businessmen, journalists and other civilians were sometimes vacuumed up with everything else.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Thanks, MCat. Sorry to be so labor-intensive.

63. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Both madman and IB out of moderation.

Sorry, it picks on first letters of monikers to hit on.

It has an old love for l, m, n and r,s, t

the last few months it added “i”


64. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Mindy Smith – Jolene

Just because I heard it on NPR this week … it’s such a weirdly mesmerizing song, and covered so often by so many diverse people (Sisters of Mercy do it too …).

I saw Mindy Smith sing this song at Summerfest a couple of years ago, and was choked up by then end of it … it’s such a universal experience in uncertain relationships.

That, and I’m retreating to music and story more and more as it is increasingly apparent that this country is insane and sanity isn’t even within sight.

65. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Oh I am sick to death of Obama and his flocks USING race – as if there is not enough racism around – that we should take special special care o f him. And him alone. Cuddle Jesus to our breast so he may not be assassinated, or as they lately call it among the faithful, the “unthinkable, the unspeakable”. Coates and Sully are two that are running on each others fumes on this and they are not the only ones.

It is a fucking run for the presidency. In a tough nasty country. GET OVER IT (directed at Ob, better people than he died for real struggles).

I am bored beyond belief that we should attend to him.

it does nto augur well for his administration. he is now addicted, fully, as are his people, to turning to that “out”. It makes him even more neutered than he was when he entered this race and declared himself cleansed of the past.

I about hit the ceiling when Cottle did a massive slobber piece on MO for TNR and dispersed within were pastel drawings of MO wearing the pink pill box Jackie wore in Dallas. way last year sometime.

Stand up straight and run as Obama. Stop dressing yourself in the shards of the dead.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Dolly Parton and Mindy Smith – Jolene (live).

Sorry … fixating. If you ever get a chance to see Dolly live, go. She’s a VERY generous performer, and mesmerizing live.

67. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008
68. marisacat - 10 October 2008

oh I love “Jolene”.

And CT better hold on, listening to a report on PBS/KQED that all who have assembled here to fight Prop 8, which is largely Catholic and Mormon (I am reading they have joined, two Ca Archbishops have spent time in SLC with LDS and they “bonded”, even before this juncture) will be moving on to CT.

Mormon individuals have contributed 8 – 10 million to the Yes on Prop 8.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

The donks as a party run in the trappings of the dead. Run as Martin, run as FDR, run as Truman, run as JFK/RFK etc … without dealing with the actual complicated reality of those men. They run chimeras, not real people, weird amalgamations of people, corpses and lionized ideals rather than actual leaders.

It’s past depressing.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

67 – jeebus. A fucking DOLL?!?!

71. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008
72. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

70. I can’t wait til I’m Left Behind.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

72 – I can’t wait until they’re gone.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

The Surge That Failed

A bit past midnight on a balmy night in late August, Hedayatullah awoke to a deafening blast. He stumbled out of bed and heard angry voices drawing closer. Suddenly, his bedroom doors banged open and dozens of silhouetted figures burst in, some shouting in a strange language.

The intruders blindfolded Hedayatullah and, screaming with fury, forced him to the ground. An Afghan voice told him not to move or speak, or he would be killed. He listened for sounds from the next room, where his brother Noorullah slept with his family. He could hear his nephew, eight months old, crying hysterically. Then came the sound of an automatic rifle, after which his nephew fell silent.

The rest of the family — 18 people in all, including aunts, uncles, and cousins — was herded outside into the darkness. The Afghan voice explained to Hedayatullah’s terrified mother, “We are the Afghan National Army, here to accompany the American military. The Americans have killed one of your sons and his two children. They also shot his wife and they’re taking her to the hospital.”

“Why?” Hedayatullah’s mother stammered.

“There is no why,” the soldier replied. When she heard this, she started screaming, slamming her fists into her chest in anguish. The Afghan soldiers left her and loaded Hedayatullah and his cousin into the back of a military van, after which they drove off with an American convoy into the black of night.

The next day, the Afghan forces released Hedayatullah and his cousin, calling the whole raid a mistake. However, Noorullah’s wife, months pregnant, never came home: She died on the way to the hospital.

So “proud” to be an American. Pro-life etc.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Bill Maher: “How do you think history would have been different if Bush had actually seen combat in Vietnam?”

Oliver Stone: “Frankly, he probably would have died.”

76. marisacat - 10 October 2008

so drahmatic of Oliver. he would have been sent in a protected position, as was Al Gore. Who went as a military reporter, iirc.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

76 – I thought it was pretty funny. Oliver built his career on cri de coeur ruling class guilt over our bullying. I have no desire to see “W”, can’t fathom why anybody would want to, and am deeply suspicious of the timing of it’s production and POV.

I’ve been saying for years that Republicans get elected by rich white people’s greed, donks by rich white people’s guilt.

Meanwhile, the more we sink.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

I ran across a bread-of-life post somewhere or other today discussing the shipping port traffic clots, especially in relation to grain.

Globalization may be rich, but it’s also a planetary bitch.

Thanks for those videos, MitM. Loved the live version with Dolly even better.

I think surviving the constant din and dumbocracy requires periodic musical escapes and intensive furies (plus visual and lyrical and mammalian versions, of course). We’ve got snakes on the plane and these here are some datatrippping days of trubbbbbled times. Brains need some cool cool water from time to time. (Risks and benefits of alcohol notwithstanding.)

71 – LOL!

“No pledge drives! No tote bags!”

One quibble – the promo’s weather discussion (brief, of course) neglects to mention Canada’s promising future once global warming really gets cooking with gas.

79. marisacat - 10 October 2008

the clips I have seen of “W” look bad, to me. I cannot imagine sitting thru it. Why bother.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008


Stephen Moore goes after ACORN on Maher, has no idea what even their name stands for, turns to Maxine Waters “you should know …”

… and Waters says “If you don’t know that you shouldn’t be talking about them.”


He’s a winger/Club for Growth/WSJ flack.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

79 – I can’t imagine paying money to sit through a movie about that motherfucker.

No way.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Comedian Dana Gould on Maher responding to Moore on Palin and Alaska:

“Everybody in Alaska gets $3K from the oil companies. It’s the biggest welfare state in the union! It’s basically and Exxon station. You want to know about a President with executive experience? Jimmy Carter. Go laud him.”

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

God, why do I have to wait for COMEDIANS to say this stuff?

Dana Gould again: “Social conservatives are repressed, and she comes across as this evangelical dominatrix that wants to spank Obama …

… you listen to Pat Buchanan talk about her he’s waging a one-man culture war in his pants …

she’s the ultimate irony … a pin-up girl for people who don’t believe in masturbating.”

84. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Jimmy Carter piped up today about Dubya’s”disastrous economic policies,” as it happens.

And he was overseas at the time!!!!!#%!%!!!

Q: Why does that (the over-gasp-seas part of it) always set wingers to running so frothily round the bend?

Because they think America is the only place where “free speech” is supposed (please consult fine print) to apply at all?

85. marisacat - 10 October 2008

well generally that money is, i have read, referred to as “Stevens money” it was he who secured it for the Alaskans.

86. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

78. One quibble – the promo’s weather discussion (brief, of course) neglects to mention Canada’s promising future once global warming really gets cooking with gas.

Well, we don’t want a deluge! We don’t have enough poutine on hand yet for that.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

Gould: “Reagan, btw, HOLLYWOOD ELITIST. I understand that you’re a very well-educated journalist from the WSJ, while I’m just a moderately-educated guy from a small town, which according to Sarah Palin makes me a real American, and you an out-of-touch elitist. The problem with the concept of American exceptionalism is that people think that God loves America, so they never challenge America to make it better. I love America despite it’s flaws because I would like America to be better.”

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

85 – so I can’t crash on your couch, even if I bring my Dolly Parton cds?

89. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

85 – Never mind the poutine industry, you short-sighted knitter! Think big! There are real opportunities for coastal resort development!

I also think the promo might have pushed the cute wild critters angle more, too.

90. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Disclaimer: I was apparently spun around in cars on frozen lakes in a Maritime province as a tiny infant. You know, for fun. And yes, the beginning and end of every season involved somebody losing a car.

91. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

A propos of little, but there it is . . . the only Jolene I’ve ever met in person was a rescued and non-professionally rehabilitated part-pit-bull fighting dog in New Orleans.

Very wary of humans, but fundamentally sweet.

92. marisacat - 10 October 2008

the only Jolene I’ve ever met in person was a rescued and non-professionally rehabilitated part-pit-bull fighting dog in New Orleans.

that, for some reason, reminds me of the owner of a bar here, on Polkstrasse, “Kimo’s”… he calls himself a “semi-retired Hawai’ian fire eater”.


93. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Anyway, if catnip won’t have you, Madman, come to NYS and we’ll work the underground railroad north from here.

If you can handle Wisconsin, you’re probably hardy enough for Montreal. I’ve still got people, of sorts, up there. We’ll set you up.

Lou Reed is now on my television. (Letterman show.)

94. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

With cellos.

95. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

92 – Now that’s a job description!

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 October 2008

93 – Montreal sounds nice. I’m such a city boy …

97. Intermittent Bystander - 10 October 2008

Montreal sounds nice.

It is. Plan a visit!

98. marisacat - 10 October 2008

Moyers up here. First Uncle Georg and then Auntie Kathleen.

Think I will skip it and read the transcript on another day.

99. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

GM, Chrysler in merger talks: source

Credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s said on Thursday that both GM and Ford had adequate liquidity for 2008, but deteriorating industry fundamentals would make liquidity a serious challenge in 2009.

Also on Thursday, industry forecaster J.D. Power and Associates said the global auto markets could be in danger of an “outright collapse” in 2009 as a slowdown that began in North America spills over to other markets.

U.S. auto sales have fallen for three consecutive years to hit 15-year lows in recent months.

100. liberalcatnip - 10 October 2008

88. so I can’t crash on your couch, even if I bring my Dolly Parton cds?

You can bring them here but you can’t play them.

89. I also think the promo might have pushed the cute wild critters angle more, too.

I shared space with a family of red foxes when I lived out in the country. The pups were adorable.

101. diane - 11 October 2008

So fucking compassionate and evolved humankind has become in this progressed age of warp speed and gore green technology….jeans on sale for only $200 in discount stores with labels such as love the world…or green is the new black..cellphones that pretty soon ,I guess, will drive us around, since they can do almost everything else now, including gift us with brain tumors……as we raise our young to incinerate other human beings whom we consider so much litter, when it appears they’re doing the least harm of anyone…(of course, where else but Southern Cali….. can you smell that flesh in your own back yard Groper? Ms. Harman? Mr./Dr. Clooney (or are you “saving” all of us with Bono, from your castle in Italy?)…Mr. Newsom?….How about you Dianne?…..Groper?

Homeless man dies after being set ablaze

A POX on all of the Ceasars, Dr Phil’s…Oprahs…Jolina’s…all of DC, much of Sly Con Valley, the Hoover Institute, Hollywood…and every fucker wanna be who may be “nobody now” yet dreams and schemes of being some sort of vile warped, God or Godess to the rest of humanity…………A pox on everyone who thinks they are too fucking special, intelligent or above it all to pull that fucking earbud out of their stupid ear and acknowledge another human being every bit as significant as they are on this earth.

102. diane - 11 October 2008

misspelled ceasar’s in the post I just made, yes I know, but habits die hard…just dropping in to be morose…sorry…and hope all are well….

103. marisacat - 11 October 2008

hey hey diane… 😉

104. diane - 11 October 2008

Hey hey Marisa…hope you are well!

105. NYCO - 11 October 2008

44 – I think as the economic meltdown deepens, and all of those credit cards suburbanites have been living on close down, that some serious winger violence is going to spread.

Agreed. I also wonder what distorting effects on behavior will happen with credit-card suburbanites who wear the Crip colors.

I’ve always wondered how much Obama’s small donors have added to the national personal credit card debt. (I mean, some of those donors — like Jjdjfjsjsap and Qwerrtrtyr — can’t even afford names, they are so strapped.)

106. Intermittent Bystander - 11 October 2008

Finally clicked the Antarctica link underneath the photo at top – really enjoyed the physicist’s blog and photos of life at the station!

Can’t help admiring the passion of the people who study the poles, even as I shiver at their descriptions of the monumental efforts required just to be there, let alone get scientific things done.

(Just in case anyone who feels the same way missed the artsy Greenland expedition link at 29, here are a couple of the Disko 2008 blog entries by one of the oceanographers and a geoscientist on board.)

107. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 October 2008

Deregulation Sank the Titanic!

What they all didn’t know was that a confidential investigation launched by the ship’s builders shortly after the disaster had all too quickly – and all too easily – determined exactly what sank the Titanic.

It was the lack of regulation.

J. P. Morgan (the actual man, not the company, or the company too, but owned by the living person, then called the International Mercantile Marine Co., the company, not the… oh nevermind…) bought controlling interest in the British and American shipping companies building the Titanic. The US government further provided him with substantial tax cuts and subsidies. The only private company to resist Morgan’s takeover, Cunard Shipping, was promptly subsidized by the British government. J. P. Morgan was given the financial backing and the freedom to do whatever he wanted, unhindered by any oversight or liability.

Because the shipbuilding industry was un(de)regulated, the shipbuilders were pressured to make changes in the Titanic’s construction against the strenuous objections of the design engineers – using plate a quarter of an inch thinner and rivets an eighth thinner in order to shave 2500 tons off her weight, not just to cut costs but so the ship would sail faster than the competition. Two other ships, the Republic and the Florida, collided off Massachusetts while the Titanic was being built, and even though they were damaged far more badly than would be the Titanic, the Florida made it back to New York and the Republic didn’t sink for 38 hours, with all 750 passengers saved. The Titanic barely nicked an iceberg, not even with enough force to tear a gash in the hull as was first thought, but just hard enough to pop out the rivets and buckle the steel plate hull, allowing water to flood into five compartments. With a flimsy hull and skimpy rivets, however, the rest of the hull couldn’t endure the strain of the water. She broke up into 3 pieces, (not two as first thought) before she completely sank, and went down faster and at a steeper angle than even Cameron depicted in his movie.

The investigation proved conclusively it was negligence (and greed) on the part of the ship owners unhindered by any industry regulation. But the investigation was quickly buried and never made public, two formal governmental inquiries pinned the official blame on the (conveniently dead) captain of the Titanic, because the lawsuits from so many victims would have bankrupted the ship’s owners, including J. P. Morgan. (Whose bank, ironically enough, just ‘rescued’ my bank, WaMu.)

‘If J. P. Morgan wanted a boat made out of papier-mâché, they would have made him a boat out of papier-mâché,’ said Brad Matsen, who’s just published his findings on this long buried investigation in a new book, Titanic’s Last Secrets.

But beyond all question, was the lack of regulation of shipbuilding at the time that was responsible for sinking the Titanic.

108. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 October 2008

McCain Camp Ignores Questions About Candidate’s Military Record

The Rolling Stone piece, “Make Believe Maverick,” by Tim Dickinson, likewise calls into question McCain’s military legend.

It portrays him running from his burning jet on the Forrestal’s deck and virtually hiding in the carrier’s ward room while others died fighting the ferocious fire and exploding ordnance. In all, 133 sailors died in the tragedy.

Publicly, McCain’s campaign has ignored the story. It also declined to respond to my requests by phone and e-mail for a comment on the story’s accuracy.

Likewise, it has not responded to slashing blogs circulating intensely on the Web that offer an even darker view of the Forrestal incident.

According to these accounts, McCain, whose A4-E Skyhawk was queued up in a line of jets waiting to take off, “wet started” his engine, a prank designed to startle a trailing pilot with a flame of exploding kerosene.

But Josh Marshall, founding editor of the influential liberal blog Talking Points Memo, said the attack on Kerry’s military record and McCain’s are “fundamentally different in two respects. The more important of the two is that there’s been very little questioning, as far as I’ve seen, of McCain’s actual military and POW record.”

“Second,” he added, “there’s been no organized effort, again as far as I’ve seen, to denigrate his record.”

Mark Hertsgaard, author of “On Bended Knee,” a best-selling critique of the 1980s-era White House press corps, said attacks on McCain’s war record, lacking a right-wing media accelerant, will wilt without a boost from the major newspapers and networks.

“The obvious place to start is with the former POW, Mr. Dramesi,” featured in the Rolling Stone piece, he added. “Why aren’t we seeing him on TV shows already?”

Mark Crispin Miller, author of “Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008,” among other books on the media, called the Rolling Stone piece “devastating” and scolded the Democrats for being “too timid” to make more of it.

“It’s sadly typical that the Republicans could mount a big campaign of lies [against Kerry] and get away with it, while the Democrats do nothing with the very damning truth about McCain’s war record,” added Miller, who maintained he is “not a Democrat or Obama supporter.”

The lone establishment voice calling for the media to dig deeper into McCain’s war record belongs to Barry Sussman, one of the famed Washington Post editors in charge of the paper’s Watergate investigations.

“McCain has made his military experience a key reason to vote for him.,” Sussman wrote on the Nieman Watchdog Web site, which he now edits following his Post retirement.

“Reporters should examine his military records, including reports on air mishaps he was involved in before he was shot down over Hanoi. And McCain should see to it that all reports are made public,” Sussman said.

So far, though, outside of the Los Angles Times, Rolling Stone and the web, no one appears to be heeding Sussman’s call, posted in early September.

Rolling Stone managing editor Will Dana said he found that curious.

“Tim Dickinson gets asked to be on MSNBC and CNN all the time,” Dana said, “but the phones haven’t been ringing this week.”

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 October 2008

Faster Uncle Sam! Kill! Kill!

Pentagon officials have prepared a new estimate for defense spending that is $450 billion more over the next five years than previously announced figures.

The new estimate, which the Pentagon plans to release shortly before President Bush leaves office, would serve as a marker for the new president and is meant to place pressure on him to either drastically increase the size of the defense budget or defend any reluctance to do so, according to several former senior budget officials who are close to the discussions.

Experts note that releasing such documents in the twilight of an administration is a well-worn tactic, and that incoming presidents often disregard such guidance in order to pursue their own priorities.

And with the nation’s economy caught up in a global financial meltdown, it remains unclear whether either Sen. John McCain , R-Ariz., Sen. Barack Obama , D-Ill., or a Democratic Congress would support such large increases for defense next year.

“This is a political document,” said one former senior budget official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “It sets up the new administration immediately to have to make a decision of how to deal with the perception that they are either cutting defense or adding to it.”

Dov Zakheim, the Pentagon’s top budget official from 2001 to 2004, who is not involved in the current discussions, agreed.

“The thinking behind it is pretty straightforward,” Zakheim said. “They are setting a baseline for a new administration that then will have to defend cutting it.”

The fiscal 2010 portion of the estimate includes a $57 billion increase, out of which $30 billion would go for a vaguely defined contingency fund and $14 billion would go for replacing or fixing existing equipment, called reset, and modernization, the former officials said.

They added that those items reflect the Pentagon’s attempt to anticipate the end of huge supplemental war allotments that have hidden the costs of resetting and modernizing the nation’s war-torn force. Both presidential candidates have pledged to scale back supplemental war spending.

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111. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 October 2008
112. Intermittent Bystander - 11 October 2008

109 – ROFL!

Hey guess what, folks? The Axis of Evil just lost a Supervillain, and nary a (US) missile was fired. International terra fightin’s so easy when you just use the Limpin’ Lame Duck (Holiday Weekend) Decree!

North Korea has moved to restart a disabled nuclear reactor and takes other provocative steps, including expelling U.N. inspectors and test-firing missiles. Those steps in recent weeks have heightened tensions in the region and place the shaky disarmament deal in peril.

The blacklist decision had been in the works since chief U.S. negotiator Christopher Hill returned from a trip to North Korea late last week. On his visit, he proposed a face-saving compromise under which the North would accept the verification plan after the delisting was announced. Previously, the U.S. had insisted that the North agree to the deal first.

I guess that means they’re with us, now!

113. Intermittent Bystander - 11 October 2008

Oops – ROFL was for 3rd Party challenger item at 111.

114. marisacat - 11 October 2008

gnu thred…


…………… 8) …………….

115. liberalcatnip - 11 October 2008

111. rofl 🙂

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