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well… 12 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Stop the pain!  Stop the hurt!  We can’t screw it up any worse than they did!

— Obama yesterday in Davenport Iowa (they are playing the audio on KGO, but I can find only a single appearance of it on twitter)

I can’t stand it!  I’m pulling the lever!  He sold me!

No really he said that….  They have had it on all night as a bumper, with strains of Marvin Gaye and .. On The Eve of Destruction (I am terrible at matching bands and songs and titles)…

Tickling the boomers, is my take… 😉  Along with all the rest, they are tossing in old commercials from the 1960 race, Harry Belafonte with JFK (he promised “equality”, the voice over said he’d be like FDR), and Henry Cabot Lodge doing a commercial for Nixon, with whom he shared the ticket.. all of it not-so-subtly invoking The Past.

We are not quite in The Past, however……..

Analysts noted that markets have slumped to oversold territory. And while stocks might see a reflex bounce-back, a significant rally is not expected to be sustainable as long as fear continues to rule.

“There’s blood in the water and the sharks are circling,” said Kurt Brunner, portfolio manager at Swarthmore Group in Philadelphia. “But this constant selling, you would think, has to ease at some point,” he added.

Choirs are set to sing financial carols all week long… My guess there has been some frantic re-writing…

Tomorrow, the US Treasury bond market will be closed for the Columbus Day holiday. But the stock market will be open.

Among this week’s major economic indicators, September PPI and retail sales are due on Wednesday, while the CPI and the Philadelphia Fed’s October business index are set for Thursday. Investors also will look for the NAHB housing market index on Thursday, as well as the Federal Reserve’s report on September industrial output and capacity utilisation.

On Wednesday afternoon, the Fed will release its “beige book” of anecdotal reports on regional economic conditions.

Rubin was on with Wolfe (Friday I think) trailing along assurances that Obama has met recently with them all, himself, Volcker, Summers, Laura d’Andrea Tyson … sorry, not in office the last 8 years, but part of the problem. Not that most of the people either candidate would call on would NOT be part of the problem.


This rides at the top of Drudge, with the Drudge-generated title of:

Dem Congress Plans on Obama Win, Pelosi May Recall House


Just for diversion… I don’t think I have ever seen an orangutan who looked as grand as this fellow:


Sibu, an orang-utan, returns to Dublin Zoo after seven years in the Netherlands, where he was borrowed for a breeding programme. [PA via BBC]

Not worried about his 401(k) either…



1. NYCO - 12 October 2008

Re IB’s comment on mandatory gym (46 from last thread):

Isn’t gym class extremely overrated in terms of producing actual physical activity, though? I remember gym class as a twice-a-week bore where everyone mostly slouched around and made a few stabs at shooting baskets or kicking soccer goals. I personally hated softball (my instinct when confronted with a small hard ball hurled at me is to RUN, not to BAT), so I mastered the art of always going to the end of the batter-up line. The gym teachers rarely noticed.

2. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

1 – At the physically spacious, proudly “modern,” and (yes, lucky for us) well-funded public elementary and middle schools I attended lo these many years ago, every single one of my gym teachers was a True Believer (one or two of them, even somewhat scarily so), and there was no slouching around permitted without (literally) a doctor’s note to exempt you. Some of it was even fun . . . trampoline days were always a big favorite, as were the group parachute-silk-flapping games and occasional dolly-cart races. But plenty of sit-ups, push-ups, jumping jacks, running, tumbling, and other “agility” exercises, in grades 1-8, with an annual President’s Council on Fitness “test” season in which everybody had to meet certain standards in a bunch of different skills (or throw up trying). The rope-climbing event was always a nailbiter, especially for the scrawniest/fattest boys and girls.

In high school, the phys ed requirements definitely loosened up on weekly frequency and offered more elective choices of sport, IIRC. But there was still no way out them altogether, and unless you had a cast on your leg or were doubled over with menstrual cramps, you pretty much had to move your ass or else.

Didn’t your gym teachers have whistles?!

3. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

That is a fine-looking orangutan. Maybe Sibu’s return will improve the spirits of Maggie, Dublin’s April escapee.

4. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Tapper ahs a post up on Ohio, first graf… (I assume the Democrats can throw themselves over the finish line, but I love hearing them panic, LOL):

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin head to the Buckeye state today, where the latest Ohio Newspaper Poll — a consortium of the state’s eight largest newspapers — has Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., leading 48-46, with a margin of error of +/- 3.3 points.

5. marisacat - 12 October 2008


I think I had just not seen that amazing red color before, or the light hits it especially beautifully. And love the natural Mohawk effect. He has presence… 😉

6. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Please Jesus make it so (via Politico email)……………………. 8)

Miami Herald lead story,

‘Polls point to decisive D.C. shift,’ By Steve Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers:

‘Democrats appear headed toward a decisive victory on Election Day that would give them broad power over the federal government. Polls, both nationally and in battleground states, increasingly point to a win that would send Barack Obama to the White House and give him larger Democratic majorities in both the House of Representatives and the Senate — and perhaps a filibuster-proof margin there. That could mark a historic realignment of the country’s politics on a par with 1932 or 1980, when the out party was given power it held for a generation, and used it to transform government’s role in American society.’

And then a smashed up mix of thoroughly corporatised Dems and the FoOs from Chicago will own the meatlocker.

Go for it.

7. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008

1. I remember gym class as a twice-a-week bore where everyone mostly slouched around and made a few stabs at shooting baskets or kicking soccer goals.

Lucky you. They worked the hell out of us, especially in high school – and without whistles.

I remember during elementary school we were able to run/walk laps around the school yard and attached park to raise money for kids in Mexico (somehow) so a lot of kids took part in that for months. And the gov’t had its Participaction program that encouraged fitness and provided bronze, silver and gold badges for excellence. I enjoyed the competition and managed to get a few badges along the way. I liked physical activity and took part in some sports, track and field, jogging, gymnastics and even cheerleading (not the fancy booty kind you see today – it was Catholic school, after all). Childhood obesity in my schools was virtually non-existent but I think the important thing back then was that it was all sold as fun – and it was, for the most part.

8. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

A little Mane ‘n Tail would probably set off his auburn tresses something fierce!

In other primate news, a rally-goer with a plush toy got himself shot to the top of the DKos reclist: More Video of Racist with Monkey at Palin Event in PA.

9. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008

8. A little Mane ‘n Tail

I’ve been using their (leave-in) conditioner in my hair for years. It’s the only thing I’ve found that stops static.

10. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Childhood obesity in my schools was virtually non-existent

Yeah, same here. What seems to pass for “average” now would have been viewed as alarmingly flabby back then.

Love the photo of the kid with the remote at the Participaction site!

Congrats on the medals! My strong suit was acrobatics . . . cartwheels, handsprings, splits, and the rest. And a little later (though not in school), high-diving. Always a thrill-seeker, I guess.

But kids just did a lot more self-organized freelance yard play (Red Rover, freeze-tag, kickball, etcetera) and tree-climbing and fort-building and biking around in general, before Nintendo got them racing with thumbs and joysticks in basements instead. “Go outside!” was pretty much a standing maternal order, if you weren’t up to something useful indoors.

11. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Speaking of which . . . mighty nice day here! Time to go out!

Have a good one, y’all.

12. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Speaking of snow where catnip is and a report the other day of snow in downtown Reno, jsut saw this in the Politico email:

–SPOTTED: October SNOW in Salt Lake City — in the Avenues, almost enough for snow angels. Kennedy remembers trick-or-treating in the snow as a kid, but it hasn’t been like this in a while.

13. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008

10. “Go outside!” was pretty much a standing maternal order, if you weren’t up to something useful indoors.

I was lucky that my daughter, even after we got a Nintendo way back when, still spent most of her time outside. She was always on the go – still is. I used to think I could wear her out when she was little by taking her out for walks etc. Not a chance. That gave her even more energy. My 13 yr old grandherb is really into dancing and soccer so she’s in great shape too.

14. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008

Speaking of violence breaking out: Pair arrested after large McCain sign torched in Sellwood yard (with a Molotov cocktail – in Oregon)

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

As a music nerd, I have to share. “Eve of Destruction” was Barry McGuire

16. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008
17. diane - 12 October 2008

Stop the pain! Stop the hurt! We can’t screw it up any worse than they did!

“We” will serve up our diareah (sic?) with Cool Whip and all the tunes we know will tug at your heart strings (because your tax and donation dollars are being pilfered in part, to study how your mind clicks, to study that exact point at which you would commit anarchy)….

Got a kick out of Nina Simone being noted on a list somewhere of Obama’s faves………fucking shameless…..all of them…..

I’ve posted variations of this numerous times, and I’ll post it yet again: If DC actually wanted to give some relief to millions of citizens, one of the first things they would do, would be to reintitute Income Averaging on Form 1040 (Personal Income tax Returns), and drop the Federal Income Tax on the mostly unliveable Unemployment checks. The Income averaging (which used to allow a person to average their income over a three year span, and was decimated during the Poppy Reagan Regime), would bring thousands of dollars of relief to those who’ve lost jobs, and certainly is nowheres near the benefit given corporations in being able to carry forward presumed losses for years………………….

18. liberalcatnip - 12 October 2008

17. Stop the pain! Stop the hurt! We can’t screw it up any worse than they did!

All I have to say about that is: wanna bet?

19. diane - 12 October 2008


20. marisacat - 12 October 2008

As a music nerd, I have to share. “Eve of Destruction” was Barry McGuire

thank you! i hoped someone would help… I used to have a friend who was like an encyclopedia of rock n roll… very useful to have around…


21. marisacat - 12 October 2008


i used income averaging several times… and in the 70s you could deduct your credit card interest as well…

22. diane - 12 October 2008


YES, the PERSONAL INTEREST deduction was also decimated in those years…under the auspices of getting folks to do the RIGHT THING..and use their money CAUTIOUSLY…when the fuckers knew very well, that for millions, there was no way to invest, since they had ABSOLUTELY NO DISPOSAL INCOME……………

LIARS…who have allowed a system where cash and checks are now held in scorn…TRY USING TRAVELER’S CHECKS out of town….

Before WAMU collapsed, took a friend from out of state to a WAMU to cash a cashier’s check purchased at a FEDERAL POST OFFICE, with a United States Government Stamp on it, and more than enough money in my account to cover it, which I offered to do. The young woman asked him if he had a passport, she could cash it if he did, his picture ID driver’s license…wasn’t enough….YOU FUCKERS…..


23. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

the weirdly hopeful thing is how much the lyrics to that song sound like the could have been written last month. Somehow we’ve survived the 43 years since that song was released.

The eastern world, it is exploding
Violence flarin’, bullets loadin’
You’re old enough to kill, but not for votin’
You don’t believe in war, but what’s that gun you’re totin’
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’

But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Don’t you understand what I’m tryin’ to say
Can’t you feel the fears I’m feelin’ today?
If the button is pushed, there’s no runnin’ away
There’ll be no one to save, with the world in a grave
[Take a look around ya boy, it’s bound to scare ya boy]

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
I can’t twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
And marches alone can’t bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin’
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
You may leave here for 4 days in space
But when you return, it’s the same old place
The poundin’ of the drums, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don’t forget to say grace
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction
Ah, no no, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

24. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Oh definitely on the lyrics…and that was what KGO (or this host in particular who has an extensive personal library of historical audio of political commercials, going back a long long way, pre TV into radio ads) was trying to evoke. That this is the equal of Kennedy Nixon. I esp loved the toss in of Harry Belafonte…


when I first heard the audio of Obama I actually thought ti was some sort of mash up, a remix but no, that was him, as delivered on teh stump…

25. diane - 12 October 2008

YEAH, one really does get tempted to say JUMP OFF THAT LEDGE FUCKERS….JUMP OFF!

26. marisacat - 12 October 2008

oh and, esp with John lewis invoking the bombings in Birmingham, as well.

What a fucking theatre set BOTH parties make of our lives.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

there are few things funnier than watching Ben Stein on CBS Sunday morning ranting all populist-like about how horrible Wall St. is. No link up yet, but it was just priceless. Of course, he got a dig in there at the whole “Congress demanding too many mortgages for poor people”, but otherwise …

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Five Day Dow Composite

Really stunning when you see the graphs lined up next to each other.

29. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Heads of 15 European states agree on a joint financial rescue plan guaranteeing inter-bank loans, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008
31. NYCO - 12 October 2008

Didn’t your gym teachers have whistles?!

In elementary and junior high, yes. They were like human female versions of the reindeer coach in “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer” (the one who excluded Rudolph from playing any reindeer games), and they instilled in me a lifelong aversion to team sports. But in high school, we had two dear old ladies who had been teaching PE since the 1950s, so as long as you changed into shorts and pretended to take a shower afterward, you were golden.

32. diane - 12 October 2008

Nicolas Sarkozy

Vanity Fair …indeed……jump off, fucker jump off……………..

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008
34. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Chris Floyd:

Perhaps the most striking fact revealed by the global financial crash — or rather, by the reaction to it — is the staggering, astonishing, gargantuan amount of money that the governments of the world have at their command.

In just a matter of days, we have seen literally trillions of dollars offered to the financial services sector by national treasuries and central banks across the globe. Britain alone has put $1 trillion at the disposal of the bankers, traders, lenders and speculators; and this has been surpassed by the total package of public money that Washington is shoveling into the financial furnaces of Wall Street and the banks. These radical efforts are being replicated on a slightly smaller scale in France, Germany, Italy, Russia and many other countries.

The effectiveness of this unprecedented transfer of wealth from ordinary citizens to the top tiers of the business world remains to be seen. It will certainly insulate the very rich from the consequences of their own greed and folly and fraud; but it is not at all clear how much these measures will shield the vast majority of people from the catastrophe that has been visited upon them by the elite.

But putting aside for a moment the actual intent, details and results of the global bailout offers, it is their very extent that shocks, and shows — in a stark, harsh, all-revealing light — the brutal disdain with which the national governments of the world’s “leading democracies” have treated their own citizens for decades.

Beginning with Margaret Thatcher’s election in 1979, government after government — and party after party — fell to the onslaught of an extremist faith: the narrow, blinkered fundamentalism of the “Chicago School.” Epitomized by its patron saint, Milton Friedman, the rigid doctrine held that an unregulated market would always “correct” itself, because its workings are based on entirely rational and quantifiable principles. This was of course an absurdly reductive and savagely ignorant view of history, money and human nature; but because it flattered the rich and powerful, offering an “intellectual” justification for rapacious greed and ever-widening economic and social inequality, it was adopted as holy writ by the elite and promulgated as public policy.

This radical cult — a kind of Bolshevism from above — took its strongest hold in the United States and Britain, and was then imposed on many weaker nations through the IMF-led “Washington Consensus” (more aptly named by Naomi Klein as the “Shock Doctrine”), with devastating and deadly results. (As in Yeltsin’s Russia, for example, where life expectancy dropped precipitously and millions of people died premature deaths from poverty, illness, and despair.)

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

This was the cult that captured the governments of the United States and Britain (among others), as well as the Republican and Democratic parties, and the Conservative and Labour parties as well. And for almost thirty years, its ruthless doctrines have been put into practice. Regulation and oversight of financial markets were systematically stripped away or rendered toothless. Essential public services were sold off, for chump change, to corporate interests. Public spending on anything other than making war, threatening war and profiting from war was pared back or eliminated. Such public spending that did remain was forever under threat and derided, like the remnants of some pagan faith surviving in isolated backwaters.

Year after year, the ordinary citizens were told by their governments: we have no money to spend on your needs, on your communities, on your infrastructure, on your health, on your children, on your environment, on your quality of life. We can’t do those kinds of things any more.

Of course, when talking amongst themselves, or with the believers in the think tanks, boardrooms — and editorial offices — the cultists would speak more plainly: we don’t do those things anymore because we shouldn’t do them, we don’t want to do them, they are wrong, they are evil, they are outside the faith. But for the hoi polloi, the line was usually something like this: Budgets are tight, we must balance them (for a “balanced budget” is a core doctrine of the cult), we just can’t afford all these luxuries, sorry about that.

But now, as the emptiness and falsity of the Chicago cargo cult stands nakedly revealed, even to some of its most faithful and fanatical adherents, we can see that this 30-year mantra by our governments has been a deliberate and outright lie. The money was there — billions and billions and billions of dollars of it, trillions of dollars of it. We can see it before our very eyes today — being whisked away from our public treasuries and showered upon the banks and the brokerages.

Let’s say it again: The money was there all along.

36. marisacat - 12 October 2008

They’ve got a lot of Americans trained tho. And now a fancy new mouthpiece to deliver the old refrains.

Not everyone is their trained dog.

I have no idea where we willb e in two years, but the Leaders and the Financial wizards are fucking floundering. And doing so in PUBLIC.

BTW, reading the UK press thsi am, the long assault on G Brown continues. So blind, visually impaired, he needs help at events and ?? headline asking if he is cashing in on the crash (or whatever JG Ballard event we are in).

What a long spectacle THAT has been.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

the Leaders and the Financial wizards are fucking floundering. And doing so in PUBLIC.

There is an out-of-control arrogance and sense of entitlement in that class that they share in common with every corrupt aristocracy in history, one that has always been that class’ undoing. It’s just a mtter of how long it takes for people to wake up to it.

The scary thing is that there is precious little leftist populism, and far too much on the right.

38. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Don’t miss it!

Hill Bill Joe and Jill in PA on the stump! Jill’s from PA too! Bill leaves first to get to VA (hey maybe from the stump to the schtupping, but what do I know?)

39. diane - 12 October 2008

they instilled in me a lifelong aversion to team sports

Yeah well, the same went on in Pgh, PA….with go you chicken fat go…and so very unfortunate…because there is nothing wrong with being healthy physically..as long as it is not some training to decimate other human beings……………………….

….balance is so, the key word…all is a kilter…..and I hope…if the end is near…that it is a quick..and therefore..somewhat merciful one…for us human beings….if not…..it would be so very sweet……if we finally came to realize that money only means as much as we’ve allowed it to mean on this bewildering plane..we call earth..surely most of us are well aware of what it means to care and to nurture…haven’t we all longed for nurturing?

40. marisacat - 12 October 2008

There is an out-of-control arrogance and sense of entitlement in that class that they share in common with every corrupt aristocracy in history, one that has always been that class’ undoing. It’s just a mtter of how long it takes for people to wake up to it.

Too right… back toward the end of the 90s.. I read a post event dissection, a good one, of the mess that was Long Term Capital Management. Boyz took their eyes off everything. What news.

[And of course, got a big Bail Out.]

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008
42. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

38 – Just caught Hill and Biden on CNN live. Blech.

43. diane - 12 October 2008

very sorry…I should’ve clarified that I was speaking to NYCO, in my last comment…..hugs to ya honey…………..and I do agree that folks should allow for the fact that a time of day with quiet..is necessary in order to prepare oneselves for living tommorrow…as much as one may love music…………….felt sort of lame not defending you in your lone battle about some quiet time please……;0)

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Interesting piece over at Bageant’s blog:

Not new ideas, but identifying new enemies

This phenomenon creates unique opportunities to realign the correlation of forces in American politics. The truth is that the distance between religious conservatism and social democracy is far shorter than the difference between it and libertarian economics. Regardless of the fact they will never admit it the fundamentalist criticism of popular consumer culture is in fact a critique of market relationships. You cannot oppose the marketing of denigrating cultural products without conceding to the idea that the market should not be the sole arbiter in regulating all human activities and relationships.

The genius of the economic right and the neo-conservatives has been their ability to ignore this fact and work instead to fill in the blanks in the vast empty spaces within the worldview of the religious right with militarist and pro-corporate ideas.

The tasks of progressives is to tear apart the conservative consensus of the past thirty years by advocating agendas that will consistently split the constituencies of the religious right from its corporate right partners.

If progressives are serious about winning victories that can realign our politics, they must find a way to marry the legitimate criticism of the decadence of popular culture with criticism of the decadence of an economic system that create the savage inequalities we see in America today. Once that is done, the entire project of the right collapses under the weight of its own contradictions.

The mastery of the political right over the past thirty years has been primarily to better understand the irrational factors in politics. Conservatives have always understood that when it comes to politics, people rarely act in their rational self-interest but instead on emotion, fears and the perception of their interests.

The first principle of organizing any successful new political movement is not new ideas but the identification of new enemies.

I’ve noticed this with my relatives. They’ll start ranting about the “liberal media” and complain about commercials and the Simpsons as much or more than they do about “liberal” political beliefs. Most of them don’t know what they really are. However, there is that whiff of pandering to religious fundamentalism, which has at its core a fundamental hatred of humanity. I agree w/ this only in so far as it leads to the stripping of the far religious right of any political power. Fundamentalism is ALWAYS destructive.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

A Reply to “An Appeal to Third Party Voters, Make the Difference for Obama” by Tom Hayden (Huffington Post)

It is simply not true that George W. Bush won the 2000 election, or that all but a few “thousand” people believe this. The evidence proves that, if all the votes cast in Florida that year had been counted, Gore would have won. The Greens were scapegoated by a Democratic Party that supported most of the Bush agenda.

Though Obama allegedly opposes the Iraq War, he will leave troops to defend our “national interest” — oil — and will *expand* the war in Afghanistan. To vote for Obama, a war candidate masquerading as a peace candidate, would betray my most cherished beliefs.

In the very near future, if political trends continue, the human race will either become extinct, or will exist in such wretchedness that extinction would be preferable. The Green Party advocates new ways of dealing with these crises. Both the Democratic and Republican parties are ideologically exhausted.

If Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party gets just five percent of the vote on November 4th, the Greens will gain ballot access and funding and become a powerful force for progressive values. Therefore, I challenge you, Tom Hayden, to be true to the convictions of your youth, and pull the lever for Cynthia McKinney on Election Day for *real* change.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Link to the original Hayden piece.

47. marisacat - 12 October 2008

The tasks of progressives is to tear apart the conservative consensus of the past thirty years by advocating agendas that will consistently split the constituencies of the religious right from its corporate right partners.

well but…

“progressivism”, if one is to observe the Congress, is a nicely made peach colored luncheon napkin. Maybe even quite pretty and gauzy, with embroidery. Not much more, and about to get dirty during lunch.

And the Democrats, federal level at least, are fully corporatised. Anxious for war, to be at the helm of the war machine. The “Progressives” accomplished NOTHING. Not a damned thing.

I USED to think that it would be nice if the ranters and ravers of Family Faith Values (and hmmmm just what new mouthpiece is tediously big on that shit?) could see that big Republican Corporatism owned, just one example, Big Porn Big Bucks Media (not that I care, but THEY profess to be quite stressed by the “coarsening” of society, I htink we have long been a vulgar people, in our nature)

But I have let go of all of that.

New era, news sales book to ‘hoodwink and bamboozle’ the people.

Some local small p progressives and small l liberals and so on can accomplish things at the local level. That is about it.

But the party system and cueing up for the dog whistles (I am so glad I was OFF! the John Lewis bandwagon some years ago) emitted by the two parties is fearfully ingrained.

Thanks for the link, will go read the whole (in case I mised his point.)

48. diane - 12 October 2008


I’m approaching no doubt that we’re surrounded by frikken bots, and speakin about bots and Palin, the other eve, minutes after a conversation with my ro, bout creepy Palin, went to the corner 7/11 to buy some cigs and near went into a momentary cold sweat watchin from my car window, some young “female” who looked exactly like Palin from a distance, worse, an even closeup high resemblence, the same “clear” “nonobstructed” eyeglasses….same exact doo, chestnut/auburn hair [expensive dye?] and a surly lookin mutherfocker in the glossy black, brand new looking vehicle TO MY LEFT…..wasn’t able to check whether there were no license plates which seems to be the new thing for the past few years for rather expensive, black, glossy ambassador/special person looking brand new vehicles in this neighborhood…yes, not even the used to be normal paper dealership stuff…where the metal plates should be………….

Possible duplicate post, because my connection cut out after way too many ping backs, with the following, after the fact spelling corrections for the original: “suround”, “obout” and “dealarhip”

And if I sound crazy, our highly complex bodily system of arteries veins and organs…exists…who knows what the frick is possible..or what is going on……

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Some local small p progressives and small l liberals and so on can accomplish things at the local level. That is about it.

Agreed. Has to start there, as it always has.

50. diane - 12 October 2008


I half jest….and really don’t pretend to understand what is goin on…but something certainly sniffs quite rank………..I most certainly have seen way too many pricey non license plated funerary vehicles in my neighborhood and environs lately…peculiar…given Homeland Security..and SUCH…………..

51. diane - 12 October 2008

Fleas in my pants…and one in spam….yeah..and well maybe I am nuts…but no certainly no more nuts than the rest of ya’ll who ponder rigint…….feeling him to be quite the fellow human being……..

jeez have I become paranoid…if I have no small fuckin wonder…..I’m certainly more sane than anyone who feels they should run the world singlehandedly…at least I can admit I lapse into barely able to take care of myself occasionally………

Who the fuck is Paulson then???? and how come Pfizer isn’t targeting HIM?

52. marisacat - 12 October 2008

speaking of bots, I ws always amused that Pod People [Invasion of the ?] was remade and located here… what a hoot!! So perfect.

AND that Anne Rice located her first vampyre book here… she caught a real truth of the city, as far as it went.

Bots all about… 😉

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Democrats call for massive econ stimulus plan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States needs a new economic stimulus plan that pumps billions of dollars into infrastructure projects and budget relief for cash-strapped state and local governments, Democratic lawmakers said on Sunday.

U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, told ABC television he will put together an economic stimulus bill when Congress returns to Washington after the November 4 elections, while a key Republican said he would support an effort that “makes sense.”

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Meant to mock that link, but forgot to before I hit the send button.

55. marisacat - 12 October 2008

well I just saw a microscopic photo of a chicken embryo… and it has a SPINE.

The Democrats should be ashamed of themselves.

56. Arcturus - 12 October 2008

“. . . would it be too much to hope that these Congressmen bore in mind the Christian ethic embodied in Matthew 18 – almost literally a Biblical condemnation of the bailout’s terms?”

Michael Hudson

57. diane - 12 October 2008

….but a chair is not a chair…and a house is not a home…when there’s no one there …..you can kiss goodnight….

Burt Bacharach and Hal David

58. marisacat - 12 October 2008

hey hey Arcturus… how was spain?

59. marisacat - 12 October 2008

btw, here si that chick embryo…………………..


60. diane - 12 October 2008

comment out of spam..don’t worry yourself about it Marisa…and thank you so much for who you are!

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008
62. diane - 12 October 2008


If in fact, they believe in God, perhaps this should be posted about the halls of Congress:

From “Living and Dying with Grace Counsels of Hadrat Ali” , Translated by Thomas Cleary

To someone who asked for counsel,
Hadrat Ali said:
“Do not be one of those
who hope for the Hereafter without work,
and postpone repentance
by exaggeration of hope;
who speak in this world
the speech of the abstemious,
but work therein the work of the covetous;
who when given anything from it
are not satisfied,
and when forbidden anything from it
are discontent;
who are incapable of gratitude for what they have been given,
and perpetually seek more and more;
who restrain others
but do not themselves abstain,
and command others to do
what they themselves do not;
who love the good
but not their works,
and despise sinners
while being sinners themselves;
who abhor death
because they have sinned too much,
yet persist in that for which they abhor death;
who become ruefully repentant when sick
and heedlessly confident when well;
who are proud when carefree
and despondent in times of trial;
who are demanding
when tribulation comes upon them,
and are blinded and conceited
when comfort gives them latitude;
whose self overcomes them with imaginations,
and who do not master the self by certainties;
who fear for others
on account of relatively insignificant misdeeds,
while expecting more for themselves
than what they have done;
who are seduced into wantonness
if they become rich,
and become despondent and lose heart
if they become poor;
who are inadequate when they work,
and overdo it when they ask;
who are first to be refractory
whenever a craving occurs to them,
and put off repentance and turning away from that;
who jump the track of religion
when tribulation strikes them;
who extol exemplars
but do not take a lesson from them,
and deliver sermons
without taking them to heart,
and thus are presumptuous in speech
but short on action;
who compete for what perishes
and give up what endures;
who see gain as loss and loss as gain;
who are afraid of death
yet do not hasten to escape;
who attach great importance
to insubordination from others
where they think little
of even more from themselves,
and make a big thing
of their own obedience
where they scorn the obedience of others,
so they discredit others
while flattering themselves;
who prefer diversion with the rich
to prayer with the poor;
who judge against others
in their own favor,
but never judge against themselves
in favor of others;
who give directions to others
while misguiding themselves,
so they command obedience
but are themselves astray,
and they demand in full
but do not give in full;
and who fear creation
for other than its Creator
and do not fear the Creator
for the sake of the creation.”

63. diane - 12 October 2008

sorry if anyone is offended, yet I find so much of value in that verse, whether a person believes there is a God or not, it seems a to me a true prescription for living life and actually caring for one another……………

64. marisacat - 12 October 2008

Bill and Hillary want you to know that Hillary ahs made 50 – FIVE OH – appearances for Ob and that she has raised 10 million for him. (Got that ObamaMan? LOL)

what a hoot these misfits are.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 October 2008

Sportscaster on Palin dropping the first puck in Philly the other night:

Trautwig: I want to hear all your opinions before we start. I just want to let you know that every email is on my side, but what happened tonight before the Ranger/Philadelphia game was an absolute disgrace.

Q: What happened, Al?

Trautwig: They brought out the Vice Presidential candidate…

Duguay: Oh, look how hot she is.

Trautwig: Stop it. Stop it..

Daneyko: I am a Sarah Palin fan.

Trautwig: I don’t care. Hear me out. This is disrespectful of the Philadelphia Flyer fans and to the National Hockey league.

No, no, no, everyone that walks into the room, Kenny, what’s the two things that kill a good party? Religion and politics. So let’s say every fan walking into this building has stated their love for the Flyers tonight, let’s say it’s 50-50 and the election is close. Now they’re presented with a VP candidate, an almost endorsement by the Flyers. And some are uncomfortable with that. Why should they be put in that position? Why don’t they just put rabbis and priests at the door and say come on over to our side?

Daneyko: The Flyers have that right. I think people are a little more intelligent in this country than that to worry about whether Sarah Palin is dropping the puck or not. She’s a celebrity nowadays….

Trautwig: Why would you put a negative mojo into let’s say half the arena, a third of the arena? Why would you want to do that on opening night?

Duguay: But Al, all this is about entertainment. Hockey is entertainment. She’s entertainment. She’s the hockey mom of the States.

Trautwig: To Democratic fans, she’s not entertainment. Fingers on the chalkboard.

LOL … the things that make people pay attention.

66. diane - 12 October 2008


Hadn’t known that about that movie, wonder if Newsom had a childhood role…surely DiFi and Nan were in it…..or wait, maybe Nan was in Night of the Living Dead..with the zombie that chanted for Morgaaaaannnnnn outside his door that was made in the Pittsburgh area….close enough to Maryland….

67. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Speaking of lyrics that could have been written last month, instead of way back when, I’ve been thinking about songs by the 80s duo Timbuk 3 all day. Links below are to free (and for me, pop-up free) audio (not video) sites.

Just Another Movie

Presidential elections are planned distractions
To divert attention from the action behind the scenes
Like a game of chess when the house is a mess
Or a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble
Or a football game when there’s rioting in the streets

It’s just another movie, another song and dance
Another poor sucker who never had a chance
It’s just another captain going down with his ship
Just another jerk, taking pride in his work

I was a poor magician; I could never understand
You can’t make tears disappear through sleight of hand
From the bottom of my heart — off the top of my head
Words were pulled like rabbits from a hat but nothing was said

Now my freedom’s bought and paid for — it lights up my living room
I got nothing more to prove; I’ve got no reason to move
And when I’m tired of the program — when it’s taken it’s toll
I can press a button, change the channel by remote control

68. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

More Timbuk 3 here.

From Welcome to the Human Race

So you feel like the gods are out to get you
You feel like you’ve fallen from grace
& you’d run again if they’d only let you
Welcome to the human race

Welcome to the human race

So your prophets of finance have fallen
On their collective proverbial face
And you hear muffled voices callin
Welcome to the human race

And Reverend Jack and His Roamin Cadillac Church has got a great groove, for a married couple and a beatbox.

Come hell or high water
A soul’s got to find some release
Some find it in power
And some in heavenly peace
Some look to the preacher
As he speaks from his holy perch
Me, I back Rev. Jack & his Roamin Cadillac Church

So if you’re stuck at the station
On the road to the Glory on High
If you need some inspiration
He’s got more than your money can buy
If you’re lookin for salvation
Well my friend it’s the end of your search
Here comes Rev. Jack & his Roamin Cadillac Church

Ain’t no use watchin the road, son
When you ride in his automobile
Cause we’re all back seat drivers,
& there’s nobody at the wheel

Now for the well-to-do doctor
There’s a home & a summer retreat
And for the jet-settin banker
There’s a place in the social elite
But for the poor & the hungry
All the lost souls left in the lurch
There’s just Rev. Jack & his Roamin Cadillac Church

69. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Oops, probably shoulda stuck some dingbats or Asterix between

Welcome to the Human Race


Reverend Jack, etc.

70. diane - 12 October 2008


Great lyrics! I like the Last FM site..especially since I don’t have to change so many internet settings to listen to the music like I do when it’s a video

71. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

National Holiday and Standard White Jesus are good tunes too. Future’s So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades was their biggest hit.

72. diane - 12 October 2008


More great lyrics…thanks…needed that……..

73. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

There is a YouTube of an original B/W videotape home-produced by Timbuk 3 (using Amiga 1000 graphics and the very first version of Deluxe Paint, the notes say) – Future’s So Bright. It’s set in a desert, with a donkey, a television, and a nuclear theme.

74. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

LOL – At the Rhapsody site, I just heard Assholes on Parade for the first time. That coulda been written anytime, too!

Jaunty harmonica.

75. diane - 12 October 2008



76. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

NYCO – I was alienated forever from team sports by gym teachers (seeking star recruits only!), too. I think pre-Title 9, in a co-ed school, if you weren’t a real standout girl athlete at a particular sport, it was considered just a little odd, and almost unseemly, to participate, especially if you had it going on somewhere else, academically or creatively. Quite the contrast to today, I think, when academic stars are expected to do soccer or some team-sporty thing as well, even if only to show that you’ve got some experience with ganging up, bonding under a pennant of some sort, submitting to coaching, and studying the ways of victory and da feet.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Link’s at 68, with Human Race and Reverend Jack. Rhapsody does pop up the player, when you click a particular tune, but it worked smoothly and politely for me.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

So from 1960s to 1980s to what?

What’s the next 20-year marker for politico-musical continuity?

79. diane - 12 October 2008


oopsie, now I see it: *ssh*l*s On Parade

Love that full title.

80. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

OK, stepping out of the politico continuity . . . but this is kind of amazing.

bay and Madman – either of you know of the bluegrass banjo player Eddie Adcock?

Here he is with wife Martha Adcock, doing Gold Watch and Chain.

Well, I’d never heard his name until today, when I found this video at the BBC, showing him playing the banjo while undergoing brain surgery at the Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville, to investigate and treat a hand tremor.

Shiverin’ shivaree! Best wishes, Eddie!

81. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

I see there’s also a BBC Radio story with Eddie, the surgeon, and Martha describing the whole thing (which also involved a pacemaker Eddie can switch on and off the control the tremor), and happily, it sounds like the surgery was a success.

82. diane - 12 October 2008


wow…must have been some helluva painkillers they were using…..

83. marisacat - 12 October 2008

I have seen films of that sort of brain … interruption I guess. It seems they need the patient awake to lead the team around his or her brain, often doing or imaging or responding to things that are necessary to the patient.

84. diane - 12 October 2008

Brings to mind something I read a long time ago that it was believed the Aztecs may have performed successful brain “surgeries” don’t know if that was ever verified or proven untrue.

85. diane - 12 October 2008


Guess it was verified: Making Holes in the Skull: Ancient Psychosurgery?

“….Just imagine: a hole of 2.5 to 5 cm of diameter, drilled by hand into the skull of a living man, without any anesthesia or asepsis, during 30 to 60 long minutes. This is maybe the most ancient form of brain surgery known to man: it is called trepanning (from Greek trupanon, borer) or trephining. And one of the reasons for performing this bone-chilling procedure was perhaps the same that motivated modern surgeons, such as Dr. Egas Moniz, to perform psychosurgery, in order to alleviate mental symptoms.

Skulls with signs of trepanning were found practically in all parts of the world where man has lived. Trepanning is probably the oldest surgical operation known to man: evidence for it goes back as far as in 40,000 year-old Cro-Magnon sites.

Trepanning was “fashionable” on and off along the ages, probably with different reasons. It was practiced in the Stone Age, in Ancient Egypt, in the Greek and Roman pre-historic and classic times, in the Far and Middle East, among the Celtic tribes, in China (ancient and recent), India, among the Mayans, Aztecs and Incas, among Brazilian indians (karaya and eugano), in the South Seas, and in North and Equatorial Africa (where they are still in use, incredibly as it may seem).….”

86. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

83 – Yeah, exactly. Know several people who’ve been through that sort of thing, and it still always kind of blows my mind to see footage. Even staged stuff in dramas. I’ve had quite a few surgical trials and tribulations, including some pretty damn gothic “awake” procedures (3-time pink ribbon winner here), but never had to cope while they drilled a hole in my noggin.

(Knocks wood! Or coconut, whatever! LOL.)

Just found it sort of amazing, after looking him up on YouTube, to realize the first time I’d seen the guy play, on tape, it was lying down in an OR.

87. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

85 – Mighty glad humans have managed to refine the tech-a-nique!

Not that they don’t occasionally screw it up big-time, still.

88. diane - 12 October 2008


well yes uh a bit frightening pain or no pain. While really lucky here on the medical procedures realm, I did have an operation while awake and feeling no pain, but have to say it creeped me out, especially when they kept cauterizing to staunch the bleeding…pretty amazing, and now you can’t even see where it was done.

Lookin at some of those tools on the website gave me the fricken heebie jeebies…especially that saw….jeez…..

89. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

More shiver than shivaree, right?


90. diane - 12 October 2008

Mighty glad humans have managed to refine the tech-a-nique

Looks like there was a bit of backsliding for a few centuries:

…Out of 400 skulls examined by one researcher, 250 indicated recovery. In modern times (14th to 18th centuries) this proportion was much lower, sometimes approaching zero….a professional “trepanator” named Mery, lost all his patients in 60 years of activity.

Likely European…probably used that saw….jeez embaressing heritage at times…

91. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

Thanks for the info on trepanning, BTW. Knew about some of it, but interesting to see how global the “treatment” has been.

92. diane - 12 October 2008


“Mery” probably worked at the predecessor to the UC system….or perhaps he was one of Frist’s relatives….

93. diane - 12 October 2008


You’re welcome, thanks for bringing the subject up, though I’ll probably be miffed if I dream of having a brain surgery…


94. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

90 – Hey, faith healers wield all sorts of instruments! White, godly, stainless steel, or otherwise!

More from Welcome to the Human Race, by Timbuk 3:

You made a killin dealin real estate at NASA
Sellin cemetery plots in outer space
Til some fallin coffins crashed upon your doorstep
Welcome to the human race

Welcome to the human race

Open up your heart…

So you sold your ocean home ain’t that a pity
And your mermaids disappeared without a trace
Now you comb the streets of sandcastle city
Welcome to the human race

Now sometimes the truth is hard to handle
But lately it’s much easier to face
We’ll just write it off as just another scandal
Welcome to the human race

Welcome to the human race
Welcome to the human race

Open up your heart

That was the first song I heard by them, on a Woodstock radio station, and – remember those days before in-store audio preview? – bought the album, Eden Alley, on the strength of one song.

95. marisacat - 12 October 2008


Three time pink ribbon. Well god bless you. I don’t know how anyone does it, esp as one keeps fighting, it gets more wearing each time, at least for the friends who have had to do it…

We so need single payer. What a shame.

96. diane - 12 October 2008


Well Mery wasn’t a faith healer, but yeah faith healers certainly can be every bit as lethal, way too many incidents of murder via purging “demons”….

You made a killin dealin real estate at NASA

I’m assuming they wrote that prior to the Google/NASA hookup, how prescient…


97. diane - 12 October 2008


Jeez I’m sorry …saw the ribbon, missed the pink and really didn’t mean to be insensitive…really sorry to hear you’ve been through those scares and glad you’ve made it through them.

98. Intermittent Bystander - 12 October 2008

95 (and 97, no worries) – Thanks.

First time was uninsured (and employed as an independent contractor for hourly wages) right thru surgery and chemo (thankfully got hooked up with a health plan before radiation), and second time I had a sister, a close friend, and stepmother trip like dominos into the same carousel at the same time. Third time had its own special charms and challenges, but I’ll save further tales of any of these thrilling adventures for another day.

All above are still kicking, despite the wear and tear.

But yes indeedy. The medical-economic tour on the first go-round was harrowing to the max.

99. Intermittent Bystander - 13 October 2008

Almost forgot my intended point.

As discussed the other day, the human sense of humor is mighty like a rose.

100. marisacat - 13 October 2008

hmm I don’t know if you have caught Dr Susan Love lately, but I am liking what she is saying … so much research and development $$ goes into treatment and there has to be an emphasis on WHy The Hell is it Happening. I mean, Marin has off the wall numbers for breast cancer…

I also like her no nonsense down to earth cut the crap conversation on how there are relentlessly positive people don’t make it and weak whining negatives who do, it all has to do with a jumble of realities.

People get thru horror the way each person does it. There are no rules.

101. diane - 13 October 2008

98 & 99

Really glad all of you are still hanging in. If you ever find yourself with coverage problems again and need medical assistance, I found out that some hospitals, while they don’t make it publically known, will give up to 80% discounts to people who are uninsured, but you have to ask about it, they certainly don’t make it well known.

love your rose analogy, so true..

goodnight all.

102. diane - 13 October 2008


Seems I read something similar about the Silicon Valley area re the drinking water and corporate toxins quite some time ago.

103. marisacat - 13 October 2008


SF has a pretty good, better than most, patchwork system.


Nu thread…


……………….. 8) …………………

104. Intermittent Bystander - 13 October 2008

100 – so much research and development $$ goes into treatment and there has to be an emphasis on WHy The Hell is it Happening.

Well, when some of the same pharma companies making big bucks in the cancer industry also make chemicals contributing to our “environmental” exposure to hormones and toxins – it’s amazing how much funding there is for investigating the relatively small percentage of cases directly linked to genetic mutations.

I’m not as up-to-date with the gurus currently (just because I can finally take a break from it all, I confess) but am familiar with Love and agree she’s been fairly no-nonsense for some time. And BTW, I’m way down with Barbara Ehrenreich on the cult of pink kitsch.


101 – some hospitals, while they don’t make it publically known, will give up to 80% discounts to people who are uninsured

I was advised in the days immediately following initial diagnosis that to qualify for sliding-scale fees at the hospital, I would need to apply for and get rejected by Medicaid. Oh, and do it before I showed up for first surgery. Strictly a formality, mind you . . . it was flat-out certain Medicaid would reject me because I earned more than $300 (repeat, $300) a month.

So I lost two (more) precious days of working wages preparing the Medicaid forms and documentation and scrambling to get a (predictably dismal) in-person interview at my local, overworked/understaffed Social Services office . . . all to get the magic rejection letter process underway. In time.

Incidentally, in NYS there’s a hefty surcharge on medical services for “self-pay” patients, on the laughable theory that if you can afford NOT to have insurance, you must be rich enough to help subsidize state programs for the “truly” needy.

Also, at that time, some of my diagnostic costs were covered by a “women’s health” screening program (for which I did qualify) with federal funding, but once I was informed I had cancer, there was no matching program to cover actual treatment. Say what you like about the Clintons, but they did push to fix that absurdity, at least. If I had been diagnosed a year or so later under the same program, I would have qualified for Medicaid coverage automatically.

105. Intermittent Bystander - 13 October 2008
106. diane - 13 October 2008

What an awful experience for you. And that self pay bit seems to be in a lot of places though they don’t all call it a surcharge. A while back when I had breast cancer scare I witnessed the same thing and I told the office of the female doctor who wanted to charge $400 dollars just for an inital visit to fly a kite, I’d take my chances with a radiologist, bad experience all the way around, but doesn’t approach the hellish shit you went through.

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