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Gah… 15 October 2008

Posted by marisacat in California / Pacific Coast, Divertissements, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


HALF MOON BAY, CA – OCTOBER  A man looks at a giant pumpkin in the back of a truck at the 34th Annual Safeway World Championship Pumpkin Weigh-Off October 8, 2007 in Half Moon Bay, California. Thad Starr of Pleasant Hill, Oregon took the top honor at tihis years pumpkin weigh-off with his pumpkin coming in at 1524 pounds, earning his $6 per pound in prize money for a total of $9144. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

This year the pumpkin winner weighed 4 lbs more, obviously last year was an off year…. in the article the winner claims it is no problem to raise them this big… but I caught an interview with him with an hilarious anecdote.  He dosed his pumpkin field with so much fish fertiliser he noticed it smelled like something washed up on the beach and died… and he got vultures.

Oh that sounds like an allegory..

HALF MOON BAY, Calif. (AP) — Thad Starr’s giant pumpkin really began putting on weight in August. A lot of weight. The pumpkin gained about thirty pounds a day on its way to victory Monday at the 35th annual Safeway World Championship Pumpkin Weigh-off in Half Moon Bay.

Starr’s pumpkin finished at 1,528 pounds, beating the contest record he set last year by four pounds.

“We really pamper them,” Starr, 41, of Pleasant Hill, Ore., said about the pumpkins he raises, adding that the secret to growing big pumpkins is good soil.

Tim Beeman, a spokesman for the contest, said Starr’s pumpkin was four feet, four inches tall with a circumference of about 15 feet.

Starr beat out dozens of other growers from Washington, Oregon and California. Beeman said seven pumpkins came in at more than 1,000 pounds.

Forklifts were used to place the giant gourds on a 5-ton, industrial-strength scale. Starr said he bought a trailer to transport his giant gourd.

At $6 a pound for the winning pumpkin, Starr is taking home more than $9,000.

The giant gourd and other large pumpkins will be on display on Main Street in Half Moon Bay this weekend.

I think Half Moon Bay blew up to something bigger than simply being the area where pumpkins are and people taking a nice drive down the coast to pick up a few, when Charlie Brown the cartoon character regularly communed with the great pumpkin, every fall Shulz did a few strips of CB, in the pumpkin fields….



1. lucid - 15 October 2008

I’m not supportive, nor will I vote for him, but I don’t understand why Obama doesn’t go after McCain on this shit about the 35% tax rate for business.

From the instructions for form 1120 [which I fill out a lot]:

Tax Rate Schedule
If taxable income (line 30, Form 1120) on page 1
Over —Not over— Tax is:
0 50,000 15% + $0
50,000 75,000 7,500 + 25% above 50,000
75,000 100,000 13,750 + 34% above 75,000
100,000 335,000 22,250 + 39% 100,000
335,000 10,000,000 113,900 + 34% 335,000
10,000,000 15,000,000 3,400,000 + 35% 10,000,000

This is from the instructions for the 1120. 15% flat for 0 -50,000 – that’s less than many American individuals pay in income tax at the same income level. And business accounting regs are so loose that most businesses in the country fall into, or below that bracket. I can can guarantee you that no ‘self respecting American business’ has paid any taxes in their history. Hell, if you have, why don’t you hire me for a couple of million a year, and I’ll not only help you not pay taxes, but I’ll actually make sure you’re not breaking the law to boot…

This whole thing is so disgusting. American’s have never understood how they’re shafted on tax policy, and continue to ignore…

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 October 2008

Wow, the abortion exchange (they just showed it on Tweety) was fucking HORRIBLE. air quote HEALTH close air quote and “I support banning late term abortions.”

I really don’t belong in this country anymore.

3. lucid - 15 October 2008

No one reasonable belongs to this country anymore… does anyone find it ironic that Bill Ayers has once again become national news…

4. marisacat - 15 October 2008

BTW, NBC and [I heard] FOX did a split screen, I watched NBC… it made a dif seeing them side by side.

Oh ObRama, he wants to cozy up to those so called knuckle draggers (I am very certain he thinks that, just as I am supposed to seek my pastor now that Daddy is dead)… walk back abortion, which both sides lie about so he can sell them on something else and be some DNA God..

get this, the standard drool in the Bai Magazine piece:

“That was my biggest boneheaded move,” Obama told me recently. We were sitting across from each other on his plane, the one with the big red, white and blue “O” on the tail, flying some 35,000 feet above Nebraska. “How it was interpreted in the press was Obama talking to a bunch of wine-sipping San Francisco liberals with an anthropological view toward white working-class voters. And I was actually making the reverse point, clumsily, which is that these voters have a right to be frustrated because they’ve been ignored.

And because Democrats haven’t met them halfway on cultural issues, we’ve not been able to communicate to them effectively an economic agenda that would help broaden our coalition.

I say have programs and economic plans that are strong and on which YOU DELIVER, and not steal rights from women and gays.

Same old same old.

5. marisacat - 15 October 2008


LOL Obama is not going to be truthful about how taxes are structured in this country… the person who gets hit is the wage earner with withholding.

6. lucid - 15 October 2008

Three critical words:

If taxable income

That is gross receipts less all expenses, including market value of executive stock options.

There are no taxes on corporate America.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 October 2008

The David Byrne show was wonderful, btw. It made me miss that whole downtown NYC esthetic so much, the way that genres and dance and tasteful postmodern staging and sheer energy used to get so mixed together by creative people who migrated there over the years past, before the current Wall Street regime increasingly made it harder and harder for people to move there.

He mixed in these three great dancers, with this cool choreography that was a mixture of Julie Taymor and Twyla Tharp and brooklyn hip-hop and nervous drunken nerd, including a funky, languid song with Byrne and the three “dancing” in office chairs.

I had fun, but it made me homesick for NYC, and for the time that I had there, and for the me that used to believe that people could get, and this country could get, better through art and tearing down cultural boundaries.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 October 2008

This Rolling Stone review of the Byrne show in Bethelehem, PA describes some of it pretty well.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 October 2008

Mark Crispin Miller is going to be on Moyers this week.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 October 2008

I think I’ve got one in moderation.

11. marisacat - 15 October 2008

sorry Madman just got it out… 😉

12. marisacat - 15 October 2008

hmm email to the schnauzers at The Corner:

Can conservatives at least agree that the Presidential Debate Commission must be either disbanded or ignored because they are producing debates that do not address enough controversial issues (gun rights, immigration, voter fraud, abortion, marriage, trade, and judicial appointments barely came up in any of the four 2008 debates), fail to distinguish the two major party nominees, overly indulge the moderators and town hall audience as peripheral parties, and do not allow enough time for the candidates to explain complex issues or confront their opponent? Of course, what do you expect from a commission comprised of Washington, D.C. insider lobbyists?

Abraham Lincoln and Stephen A. Douglas taught us the direction the form of important public policy debates should take, which should be modified modernly for two-hours of live television. The current precedents are not working.

13. marisacat - 15 October 2008

hmm Somalis who are here as political refugees are replacing Latino workers, removed by ICE in the big raids, at meat packing plants in NE

14. lucid - 15 October 2008

MitM – I love Byrne and everything he still tries to exemplify in this city – everything that those of us who hang on still try to exemplify. I met him at a Patti Smith show 5 years ago. So awkward, so true to his own personality. That is the last bastion I see in capitalism, personality – the last thing they cannot get. We’re supposed to be able to chose our lives – that is the promise.

So long as we do that, we are above the machine, and like Ayers, have the integrity to through a bomb now and again.

But I do wish we could help others see the Zeitgeist.

Capitalism is the greatest threat to humanity. Even our humble estimation of greater value for any work is silly beyond comprehension.

‘Value’ is an instrument of extinction.

15. marisacat - 15 October 2008


[I]n early trading in Asia on Thursday, the markets followed Wall Street’s lead. The Nikkei was down 10.03 percent, or 957.90 points, the Hang Seng dropped 1,204.27 points, more than 7.5 percent, the South Korean Kospi fell 6 percent, the Standard and Poor’s/Australian Stock Exchange 200 index shed 5.5 percent and Taiwan opened down 3.8 percent.

Mr. Bernanke, a leading academic expert on the Depression, offered pointed assurances that no repeat of that disaster would unfold on his watch. The Fed stands ready to use all its tools to battle the financial crisis, he said. He exuded confidence that the American economy “will emerge from this period with renewed vigor.”

But when? Mr. Bernanke could not say. That uncertainty added to the gnawing worry gripping the economy.

“Ultimately, the trajectory of economic activity beyond the next few quarters will depend greatly on the extent to which financial and credit markets return to more normal functioning,” he said.

Strikingly, Mr. Bernanke expressed concern about how huge amounts of capital are increasingly concentrated in a handful of enormous financial institutions.

“The real concern that we have is that we have got and developed, in this country, a very serious ‘too big to fail’ problem,” Mr. Bernanke said. “And that problem, we’ve just recognized now in the current situation, how severe it is.” ::snipsnappy::


16. lucid - 15 October 2008

oh… the testosterone… it’s soo heavy. really I didn’t pull the train off the rail with my nuts… really, I thought steal was indestructible!

17. bayprairie - 16 October 2008

air quote HEALTH close air quote and “I support banning late term abortions.”

mcnasty shows his true colors, and how extreme his views truly are, mocking sick women to score political points with the pin-headed neo-confederate morons.

what a completely worthless piece of chicken-shit trash.

18. lucid - 16 October 2008

and I’m really sad that it was Tweety who said it first in the media… catholic fuck asshole who has never supported choice in his life…

19. lucid - 16 October 2008

…correction, I think it was Rachel Maddow first… but they all ran with it.

20. marisacat - 16 October 2008

LOL Well Obama and Reid both spoke up when the latest abortion ruling came down… to oppose the SC ruling. Biden too, as he was still a primary canddiate then. Quick as a wink eloquent statements opposing the ruling. Perkins at Focus on the Family, called out Reid, pointing out he most certainly DID support the SC ruling.

But… So sweet to trot it out for the little wimmens.

It was clear they were all lying thru their teeth, esp Biden and Reid who had voted YES when the “pba” ban run thru congress in 2003.

Ob and Michelle are both far more conservative and limited than they/DNC present themselves as being.

Obviously Bill and Hill knew better, witness Elders (til they abandoned her!) and Dr Harrison being the OB-GYN… and Bill vetoed the first “pba” in the 90s…but it didn’t and hasn’t stopped them from abetting the slow roll back, overall.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

That is the last bastion I see in capitalism, personality – the last thing they cannot get. We’re supposed to be able to chose our lives – that is the promise.

And that was the wistful thing about being at that show. It’s so RARE, or at least feels like it. People put on shorthands for personality rather than develop their own.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

“The real concern that we have is that we have got and developed, in this country, a very serious ‘too big to fail’ problem,”

Gee, ya’ think?

23. marisacat - 16 October 2008

What a scream! Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote…

tra la.

24. Intermittent Bystander - 16 October 2008

Ha ha ha. Say it ain’t so – d’oh!

From comments to Politico post on JtRP:

So let’s get this straight. Joe the Plumber, McCain’s bald-guy on the street savior, isn’t registered to vote, and makes a freakin’ “tap dance” and “sammy davis, jr.” comment about Obama?

HILARIOUS! Get the skinhead a sitcom deal, STAT

So let’s see. Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote. Joe the Plumber admits he makes much less than $250k (on CBS) so will in fact pay less taxes under Obama than under McCain. Joe keeps railing on Obama. Joe the Plumber’s dad is a big Republican donor. Can this story get any more ridiculous?


25. marisacat - 16 October 2008

hmm maybe there really is a move on to dismantle the Commission on Presidential Debates.. Lessig has an online push going and Norquist has joined in with the sentiment.

Not sure it matters. They will always shove at us a some pre mixed slobber of Reagan and JFK. I think this has been a stupid dumb and defensive run, from a year ago, at least, certainly. The ”renounce and reject” primaries, to the USE made of racism to shut criticism (just think of Biden, whose comments were indeed racist and he is where now?) …

Bush was off limits for years due to the 9/11 (national security! national security!) and I think Ob wants the same brand of teflon and will use charges of racism to get it.

And it won’t help the massive issues of racism and discrimination in the country, that ordinary working people and the poor face everyday.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

23 & 24 – RFLMAO!!!

typical. the difference is that the media, in love w/ the savior, are actually REPORTING this shit this time.

off to work. Have a great day everybody.

27. marisacat - 16 October 2008


I never landed on a story on how that little clutch of “ordinary Americans” ws put together outside of Toledo. Sometimes they just arrive at a cul de sac that they scope out in the immediate time before..

hmm be interesting to know.

Joe could easily be a plant.

I knew it would get bigger when ABC showed the Obama initial contact with Joe but then cut off Ob’s answer to him (the evening news that night). A given it would grow as a story.

28. marisacat - 16 October 2008


reporting it as they love Ob.


29. Intermittent Bystander - 16 October 2008

From Couric interview transcript:

COURIC: Well, he supposedly will raise taxes only on people who make over $250,000 a year. Would you be in that category?

WURZELBACHER: Not right now at presently, but, you know, question, so he’s going to do that now for people who make $250,000 a year. When’s he going to decide that $100,000 is too much, you know? I mean, you’re on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who decides that $250,000 and you’re rich? And $100,000 and you’re rich? I mean, where does it end? You know, that’s – people got to ask that question.

COURIC: Could you just, Joe, explain quickly, and then we’ll let you go, how you met both of the candidates?

WURZELBACHER: I’ve yet to meet John McCain. Obama came to my neighborhood and my son and I were outside tossing the football, and all of a sudden he showed up, and there went our football tossing for a while. And, you know, neighbors were outside asking him questions, and I didn’t think they were asking him tough enough questions, so I thought, you know, I’ll go over there. You know, I’ve always wanted to ask one of these guys a question and really corner them and get them to answer a question of–for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question but I still got a tap dance. Do you – almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.

30. marisacat - 16 October 2008

Yeah sounds like they picked a suburban block that local pols know pretty well, and dropped in.

Early report lst night was that Joe was going to be getting up at 4 am and was not available for chit chat.

LOL That changed fast.

I am pretty sure that plumbing companies with a couple or three plumbers, working fully, do pull in gross revenue of a quarter mil. How it all breaks down.. who knows. It’s never been clear what numbers we are really talking about.

31. Intermittent Bystander - 16 October 2008

ABC vid of original Joe / Ob chat in Ohio:

32. marisacat - 16 October 2008

LOL MO is out there saying

“Barack has been and will continue to be the underdog until he’s sitting in the White House.”

33. Intermittent Bystander - 16 October 2008

Late for work . . . damn you, Joe Plumber!

34. marisacat - 16 October 2008

Joe says he IS registered to vote.

35. NYCO - 16 October 2008

Madman, thanks for the Byrne review. He’s coming to my burg in November, I just might go see.

36. marisacat - 16 October 2008

Years long pay slump up ahead… LOL I am sure none of us expected that…

I read elsewhere that one of the highest COLA raises for Social Sec is coming up, over 5.5% probably.

37. marisacat - 16 October 2008

via Ben Smith:

Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.

38. marisacat - 16 October 2008


Joe is registered but Ben Smith links to a politico article and a Toledo Blade report. Seems Joe is a bit off w/r/t taxes (about 1,100 in arrears in local taxes frm 2007) and a bit off in his licensing.

What an hilarious event. The whole damned thing.

39. marisacat - 16 October 2008

via Ambiinder:

Ohio’s SoS sends SoS To SCOTUS
Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner (D) is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to prevent what she fears will be a “destabilized” election if she’s to match hundreds of thousands of new registrations to drivers’ licenses. Errors and chaos could prevent legitimate voters from voting, she fears.

John Paul Stevens will make the first decision here… and although he’s a liberal, he’s been open to the idea that widespread voter fraud exists… so this one’s not very predictable.

gah. He still firmly calls himself a “conservative” (earlier this year in a rare interview Jan Greenberg tried to call him a moderate, he corrected her)… the problem is the spectrum has moved over 40 years.

40. bayprairie - 16 October 2008

it appears joe is actually an unlicensed plumber’s helper.

and another in a long line of odd tales that originate near toledo, a bit south of that turnpike, in bob evans land.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

35 – oh, definitely go if you can. It was the most life-affirming entertainment I’ve seen in a long time.

42. marisacat - 16 October 2008

hmm I scammed this off the schnauzers at The Corner:

WASHINGTON — The chief executives of the nine largest banks in the United States trooped into a gilded conference room at the Treasury Department at 3 p.m. Monday. To their astonishment, they were each handed a one-page document that said they agreed to sell shares to the government, then Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. said they must sign it before they left.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008
44. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008
45. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008
46. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

IOZ on the debate:

Barack’s occasional smiles seemed genuine: pwnd, b1chz, it said. His insane claims have the benefit of sounding like standard boilerplate politics. They wash over and around you, and though you know them to be false, they don’t rankle. Smooth delivery helps when you’re claining that “clean energy . . . will create 5 million jobs in the heartland.” What the fuck? Why not 4 million, or 50? A job for every solar cell? Ending subsidies for companies that ship jobs oversees? Companies do not actually load container ships with cubicles and send them to Bangalore. The king who went to the water’s edge and commanded the tide to stop ended up looking like quite the fool. If you can pay some Bangladeshi loser twelve grand a year to read blogs, then you’re not going to pay an American five times that.

But, it’s all blood under the bridge, and the Obaman mien again takes the day as far as Homo voticus goes. McCain smells of desperation and mothballs. He represents another era. Obama is made for teevee. He’s going to be fun to watch as he grinds Progressive dreams to dust beneath the heavy boot of regal reasonableness.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008
48. marisacat - 16 October 2008

LOL Yeah McC is begging. Not a great look.

Of course Obama is saying, resistance is futile. And here’s a bottle of Arpege. Don’t talk back. In fact, don’t talk.

It is going to be a very very very cheerless few years. And not just because we are poorer and in the muck and mire of foreign war.

49. marisacat - 16 October 2008

midog. Wrong day. In a heat wave too… I just settled down with the Federal Election handbook, a third of an inche thick. And the SF City and Co handbook. An inch.

Bonds and local ordinances to be voted on, bulleted a – v

State wide, 11 propositions.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

Blackwater: We’ll Fight Somalia’s Pirates

“Blackwater Worldwide today announced that its 183-foot ship, the McArthur, stands ready to assist the shipping industry as it struggles with the increasing problem of piracy in [Somalia’s] Gulf of Aden,” the firm says in a statement. “As a company founded and run by former Navy SEALs, with a 50,000-person database of former military and law enforcement professionals, Blackwater is uniquely positioned to assist the shipping industry.”

51. marisacat - 16 October 2008

Yes but George (that would be Clooney) said they can help in Darfur, why not Somalia…. Clooney and Eric Prince and Charlie Rose worked thsi out months ago.

I am sure he will be on everybody’s speed dial in the West Wing. And why not.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

wow, that election guide sounds horrible. this is my sample ballot.

53. marisacat - 16 October 2008

this is a little worse than usual. They gathered stuff for the GE… But also we voted I think, I have lost track, 9 times in about 30 months. Meyerson even did a piece on it at Am Prospect at one point. I think it is not irrational to consider that they intend to wear us out.

We get very complete voter pamphletts… full legal text for SF propositions and for state measures.. with pro /con /rebuttal and lists of who supports what. Glad for that.

But I do think they intend to wear us out. Too many voting events. There is a lot I want to vote on this time .. fwiw, while I still think it even matters.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008
55. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

Where Does The Poop Go?

Eighty percent of the world’s illness is caused by fecal matter. A gram of feces can contain 10 million viruses, 1 million bacteria, 1,000 parasite cysts, and 100 worm eggs. Bacteria can be beneficial: the human body needs bacteria to function, and only 10 percent of cells in our body are actually human. Plenty are not. Small fecal particles can then contaminate water, food, cutlery, and shoes—and be ingested, drunk, or unwittingly eaten. One sanitation specialist has estimated that people who live in areas with inadequate sanitation ingest 10 grams of fecal matter every day.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

Veterans arrested at Hofstra Debate

Dear friends and supporters,

Yesterday Veterans For Peace Long Island (VPLI) was privileged to march in solidarity with the Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) to the front gates of Hofstra University. As I am sure you are aware, the peaceful march to express concerns to the Presidential candidates was met with unprovoked violence and brutality by the Nassau County Police. Following a mounted police assault in which we all peaceably moved back from the front gate of Hofstra, the Police abusively sought out and arrested members of IVAW. Three veterans were injured in the assault and taken to local hospitals. In all fifteen demonstrators were arrested, twelve of them Iraq War veterans.

The Hempstead 15 will be arraigned on November 10, 2008 and VFPLI will be there to stand in solidarity with those who continue to sacrifice so much for our country. Please remember them in your prayers and join us to support our courageous brothers and sisters and to demonstrate to our representatives that such police brutality will not be tolerated on Long Island.

Peace and justice for the Hempstead 15.

Camillo Mac Bica
Coordinator VFPLI

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

Conservatives Push Hard for Gay Marriage Ban

But while the world watches the critical presidential match, there is another high-stakes culture clash being waged, pitting the gay community against the Religious Right. It is the battle over Proposition 8, an initiative on the California ballot that would eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry.

For gay people and their allies, the battle is not only about retaining the “fundamental” right to marry, as the California Supreme Court ruled May 15; it is also about not letting the majority vote to take away an existing right of the minority and thus adding to other disgraceful moments in American history, such as when the country tolerated Jim Crow laws and the Japanese internment, to name a few examples.

For the proponents of Prop. 8, however, the battle is “spiritual warfare,” with religious freedom and the nation itself at stake if same-sex marriage is allowed to survive and spread beyond California’s borders.

“If sexual freedom is the ultimate liberty, then you have to rewrite the Bill of Rights,” Chuck Colson, founder of the Prison Fellowship Ministries, says on a Yes on Proposition 8 video produced by the American Family Association for distribution to pastors and Christian activists. “This vote on whether we stop the gay marriage juggernaut in California is the Armageddon. We lose this — we’re going to lose in a lot of other ways, including freedom of religion.”

The Church of Latter-day Saints, the Catholic Church and Christian evangelical churches and organizations, including the Family Research Council (FRC), are telling church members to give all they can to ProtectMarriage.com, the group spearheading the Yes on 8 movement.

By the end of September, Yes on 8 raised $25.4 million, compared to $15.7 million for the No on Prop. 8 campaign, according to the California secretary of state Web site. The Mormon Church alone contributed $9,072,329.58 as of Oct. 14, according to Mormonsfor8.com.

“This Supreme Court (ruling in favor of marriage equality) decision was a huge wake-up call for Catholics. It was shocking,” Catholics for Protect Marriage leader Bill May told the Associated Press. “The sense is that this is the last chance to restore the definition of marriage, and if unsuccessful, it is going to have serious ramifications for California and across the country.”

“This is not political to us. We see it as very spiritual,” Jim Garlow, pastor of the evangelical Skyline Church in San Diego County, told AP. Garlow is part of a nationwide 40 days of prayer, fasting and intensive mobilization of “God’s Army,” leading up to a Nov. 1 rally in San Diego’s Qualcomm Stadium of 10,000 “young pioneers” supporting passage of Prop. 8. A video on TheCall’s Web site promoting the Qualcomm rally calls the Prop. 8 battle a war between Darkness versus Light.

“Thirty-five years of an American abortion holocaust, the civil imposition of homosexual ‘marriage’ upon America and the indoctrination of America’s public school children in pro-homosexual ideology are practices that a Holy God will not tolerate,” FRC’s National Prayer Director Rev. Pierre Bynum said in an e-mail.

“The future of our nation hangs in the balance!” FRC President Tony Perkins wrote in an e-mail to supporters.

None of the fervor of the Religious Right, however, filtered through to the gay community. In a conference call with reporters Oct. 7, members of the No on Prop. 8 campaign said they were hurt by complacency after early polls showed Prop. 8 going down to defeat.

58. marisacat - 16 October 2008

Support the troops. Rah.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

Cancer at 23: How Health Insurance Failed Me

Then I got the bill. It came in the mail almost six months after my operation. The total for the surgery, the painkillers and the two nights in the hospital was a few thousand less than what I make in a year. But its amount was probably less shocking than the fact that there was a bill at all. I couldn’t understand why my claim was being denied by my insurance company. Before I had the surgery, I had cleared everything. I had been told by more than one person that all of my surgery-related costs would be completely covered. Aside from the co-pays for each appointment, I was not supposed to be billed for a cent.

I began making phone calls, attempting to figure out what was going on. I could only call on weekdays, during my lunch break, and by the time I got through the 800 number’s main menus and actually was able to speak to an actual person, I was out of time. On more than one occasion, my cell phone dropped the call. I did not have a private desk or phone, so I had to make the calls standing in the break room of my office.

It took two months, countless phone calls and more than one very high cell phone bill before I got through to someone who told me that my claim was denied because I had a lapse in coverage, so the cancer was considered a pre-existing condition.

Proving that she was wrong was easy enough. I got a certificate of creditable coverage from my insurance company and faxed it to the hospital. Right before Thanksgiving, I received confirmation that the bill was cleared. But the problems weren’t over yet.

60. marisacat - 16 October 2008

hmm it’s looked for a couple of weeks now that Prop 8 will win.

Esp the big difference in money. I am sure smart gays are counting their friends, lots of people have not shown up, from what I read.. Mormons pulled in 5 million in one day alone, think it was last Friday.

But all summer people were told not to worry! Rising tide for decades, young evangels are not like their parents.. polling year after year shows greater acceptance.

Yada yada yada, wake up Nov 5 and prepare for the long legal rebuttal.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 October 2008

I think a lot of poeple who would have helped defeat it are laying low on orders of the Sainted One’s campaign.

This country is, and has always been, about denying some Other what should be theirs, if we meant what our founding documents read. They never have, and most likely never will.

62. marisacat - 16 October 2008

think a lot of poeple who would have helped defeat it are laying low on orders of the Sainted One’s campaign.

fucking bingo. And as I like to remind, Reid is Mormon… and there are Mormons in NV. Which they want to win.

Who knows what trades are being made. Too many fucking Mormons here too.

Love that Chuck Colson bad news any day of the week is all mixed up in it..

I shuold go see if Sully is still blaming Church Blacks — and Palin, for ‘riling up evangelicals’. Seems he has never hear d 0f the Catholic Church adn the Mormon Church.

63. marisacat - 17 October 2008

Not to feed the monster, but Instapundit wonders, linking to a Tennesseean article on a Joe the Plumber in Nashville if there are a lot of reports like that in the regional media.

Yes, we have had several interviews with “Joes” who are plumbers. Of all colors, white, Japanese and black.

64. liberalcatnip - 17 October 2008

You can be damn sure McCain wouldn’t have mentioned Joe the plumber if his name was Mohamed.

13. hmm Somalis who are here as political refugees are replacing Latino workers, removed by ICE in the big raids, at meat packing plants in NE

There’s been a lot of blowback in one Alberta town over the fact that African immigrants have settled there to work mainly in the meat processing plant. Rednecks on parade. One of the big immigration problems here (still) is giving proper accreditation for foreign degrees/diplomas in a reasonable length of time. It must be quite a blow to move to another country and to have to start at the bottom of the job ladder when you’re actually trained as an accountant or a doctor etc. – especially when we need people in those jobs as well.

Anyway, I met a young man yesterday who used to be involved in film slams. (Get your mind out of the gutter!) The challenge was, haven been given a topic or phrase or whatever, your crew had to write, produce, direct and complete a film for competition within 48 hours. Apparently, he won several awards. It was a nice break to actually talk to a creative person. I hadn’t realized how much I miss that in meat space (speaking of meat).

65. liberalcatnip - 17 October 2008

haven = having

brain fart

66. marisacat - 17 October 2008

neue post……………..


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