Another thread… ;) 5 November 2008
Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback
Chemin Fleuri [Denis Carl]
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Because this comment from Artemisia languished in Spam file for an hour, let me bring it forward:
Lest We Forget Who Got Us Here
Fannie Lou Hamer (October 6, 1917 – March 14, 1977)
Fannie Lou Hamer was born in Ruleville, Mississippi, the last of 20 children in a sharecropping family. She was workng the fields at 6 and left school after the 6th grade. When she was 12, her parents had saved enough money to rent a farm and buy some mules. A white neighbor poisoned their mules and her family was forced into deeper debt.
( http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/Fannie_Lou_Hamer.html )
In 1942 she married. Though Fannie Lou wanted children, unbeknownst to her she had be sterilized without her consent in an effort by the State of Mississippi as part of a program to reduce the population of poor black people in the state. Fannie went on to adopt two chldren.
from wiki:
Hamer attended several annual conferences of the Regional Council of Negro Leadership (RCNL) in the all-black town of Mound Bayou, Mississippi. The RCNL was led by businessman, Dr. T.R.M. Howard, and was a combination civil rights and self-help organization. The annual RCNL conferences featured entertainers, such as Mahalia Jackson, speakers, such as Thurgood Marshall and Rep. Charles Diggs of Michigan, and panels on voting rights and other civil rights issues. Without her knowledge or consent, she was sterilized in 1961 by a white doctor as a part of the state of Mississippi’s plan to reduce the number of poor blacks in the state.[1]
On August 23, 1962, Rev. James Bevel, an organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and an associate of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., gave a sermon in Ruleville, Mississippi and followed it with an appeal to those assembled to register to vote. Black people who registered to vote in the South faced serious hardships at that time due to institutionalized racism, including harassment, the loss of their jobs, physical beatings, and lynchings; nonetheless, Hamer was the first volunteer. She later said, “I guess if I’d had any sense, I’d have been scared – but what was the point of being scared? The only thing they [white people] could do was kill me, and it seemed they’d been trying to do that a little at a time since I could remember.”
On August 31, she traveled on a rented bus with other attendees of Rev. Bevel’s sermon to Indianola, Mississippi to register. In what would become a signature trait of Hamer’s activist career, she began singing Christian hymns, such as “Go Tell It on the Mountain” and “This Little Light of Mine,” to the group in order to bolster their resolve. The hymns also reflected Hamer’s belief that the civil rights struggle was a deeply spiritual one. By the next day, she had been harassed by police, fired from her job, lost her dog, and received a death threat from the Ku Klux Klan.
Hamer’s courage and leadership in Indianola came to the attention of SNCC organizer Bob Moses, who dispatched Charles McLaurin from the organization with instructions to find “the lady who sings the hymns”. McLaurin found and recruited Hamer, and though she remained based in Mississippi, she began traveling around the South doing activist work for the organization.
from http://www.beejae.com/hamer.htm
On August 31, 1962, Mrs. Hamer decided she had had enough of sharecropping. Leaving her house in Ruleville, MS she and 17 others took a bus to the courthouse in Indianola, the county seat, to register to vote. On their return home, police stopped their bus. They were told that their bus was the wrong color. Fannie Lou and the others were arrested and jailed.
After being released from jail, the plantation owner paid the Hamers a visit and told Fannie Lou that if she insisted on voting, she would have to get off his land – even though she had been there for eighteen years. She left the plantation that same day. Ten days later, night riders fired 16 bullets into the home of the family with whom she had gone to stay.
from http://www.beejae.com/hamer.htm
On June 3, 1963, Fannie Lou Hamer and other civil rights workers arrived in Winona, MS by bus. They were ordered off the bus and taken to Montgomery County Jail. The story continues “…Then three white men came into my room. One was a state highway policeman (he had the marking on his sleeve)… They said they were going to make me wish I was dead. They made me lay down on my face and they ordered two Negro prisoners to beat me with a blackjack. That was unbearable. The first prisoner beat me until he was exhausted, then the second Negro began to beat me. I had polio when I was about six years old. I was limp. I was holding my hands behind me to protect my weak side. I began to work my feet. My dress pulled up and I tried to smooth it down. One of the policemen walked over and raised my dress as high as he could. They beat me until my body was hard, ’til I couldn’t bend my fingers or get up when they told me to. That’s how I got this blood clot in my eye – the sight’s nearly gone now. My kidney was injured from the blows they gave me on the back.”
Mrs Hamer was left in the cell, bleeding and battered, listening to the screams of Ann Powder, a fellow civil rights worker, who was also undergoing a severe beating in another cell. She overheard white policemen talking about throwing their bodies into the Big Black River where they would never be found.
from wiki
Released on June 12, she needed more than a month to recover. Though the incident had profound physical and psychological effects, Hamer returned to Mississippi to organize voter registration drives, including the “Freedom Ballot Campaign”, a mock election, in 1963, and the “Freedom Summer” initiative in 1964. She was known to the volunteers of Freedom Summer – most of whom were young, white, and from northern states – as a motherly figure who believed that the civil rights effort should be multi-racial in nature.
from wiki
1964 Democratic Convention
n the summer of 1964, the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party, or “Freedom Democrats” for short, was organized with the purpose of challenging Mississippi’s all-white and anti-civil rights delegation to the Democratic National Convention of that year as not representative of all Mississippians. Hamer was elected Vice-Chair.The Freedom Democrats’ efforts drew national attention to the plight of African-Americans in Mississippi, and represented a challenge to President Lyndon B. Johnson, who was seeking the Democratic Party’s nomination for reelection; their success would mean that other Southern delegations, who were already leaning toward Republican challenger Barry Goldwater, would publicly break from the convention’s decision to nominate Johnson — meaning in turn that he would almost certainly lose those states’ electoral votes in the election. Hamer, singing her signature hymns, drew a great deal of attention from the media, enraging Johnson, who referred to her in speaking to his advisors as “that illiterate woman”.
Hamer was invited, along with the rest of the MFDP officers, to address the Convention’s Credentials Committee. She recounted the problems she had encountered in registration, and the ordeal of the jail in Winona, and, near tears, concluded:
“All of this is on account we want to register [sic], to become first-class citizens, and if the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now, I question America. Is this America, the land of the free and the home of the brave where we have to sleep with our telephones off the hooks because our lives be threatened daily because we want to live as decent human beings – in America?” In Washington, D.C., President Johnson called an emergency press conference in an effort to divert press coverage away from Hamer’s testimony; but many television networks ran the speech unedited on their late news programs. The Credentials Committee received thousands of calls and letters in support of the Freedom Democrats.
Johnson then dispatched several trusted Democratic Party operatives to attempt to negotiate with the Freedom Democrats, including Senator Hubert Humphrey (who was campaigning for the Vice-Presidential nomination), Walter Mondale, Walter Reuther, and J. Edgar Hoover. They suggested a compromise which would give the MFDP two seats in exchange for other concessions, and secured the endorsement of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference for the plan. But when Humphrey outlined the compromise, saying that his position on the ticket was at stake, Hamer, invoking her Christian beliefs, sharply rebuked him:
“Do you mean to tell me that your position is more important than four hundred thousand black people’s lives? Senator Humphrey, I know lots of people in Mississippi who have lost their jobs trying to register to vote. I had to leave the plantation where I worked in Sunflower County, Mississippi. Now if you lose this job of Vice-President because you do what is right, because you help the MFDP, everything will be all right. God will take care of you. But if you take [the nomination] this way, why, you will never be able to do any good for civil rights, for poor people, for peace, or any of those things you talk about. Senator Humphrey, I’m going to pray to Jesus for you.”
Future negotiations were conducted without Hamer, and the compromise was modified such that the Convention would select the two delegates to be seated, for fear the MFDP would appoint Hamer. In the end, the MFDP rejected the compromise,but had changed the debate.
In 1965 President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act.
from : http://womenshistory.about.com/od/civilrights/a/fannielou_hamer.htm
From 1968 to 1971, Fannie Lou Hamer was a member of the Democratic National Committee for Mississippi.
from http://www.awomanaweek.com/hamer.htm
In 1968, The Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party took on a new name – The Mississippi Loyalist Democratic Party, to reflect its broadened membership which now included sympathetic white members. When Fannie took her seat in Chicago at the 1968 Democratic National Convention, she took it to a standing ovation
from : http://womenshistory.about.com/od/civilrights/a/fannielou_hamer.htm
Her 1970 lawsuit, Hamer v. Sunflower County, demanded school desegregation. She ran unsuccessfully for the Mississippi state Senate in 1971, and successfully for delegate to the Democratic National Convention of 1972.
She also lectured extensively, and was known for a signature line she often used, “I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.” She was known as a powerful speaker, and her singing voice lent another power to civil rights meetings.
Fannie Lou Hamer brought a Head Start program to her local community, to form a local Pig Bank cooperative (1968) with the help of the National Council of Negro Women, and later to found the Freedom Farm Cooperative (1969). She helped found the National Women’s Political Caucus in 1971, speaking for inclusion of racial issues in the feminist agenda.
In 1972 the Mississippi House of Representatives passed a resolution honoring her national and state activism, passing 116 to 0.
Suffering from breast cancer, diabetes, and heart problems, Fannie Lou Hamer died in Mississippi in 1977.
Her epitaph was her signature quote, :I;m sick and tired of being sick and tired.”
Writings about her life inclued her autobiography To Praise Our Bridges: An Autobiograpy in 1967. June Jordan published a biography of Fannie Lou Hamer in 1972, and Kay Mills published This Little Light of Mine: the Life of Fannie Lou Hamer in 1993.
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
Dow Closes Down More Than 486 Points [4:13 p.m.]
[fwiw]
So, what’s the Dem blue dog count now? Up or down?
NYCO – last thread… I was making a sarcastic comment about the state of surveillance in this country… seems big brother is always watching.
oops:
hmm how will they blame Cindy THIS time for Charlie Brown losing – if he does… (she was specifically and nastily blamed for his loss in 2006 at Dkos)
In California, Tom McClintock (R) leads Charlie Brown (D) by just 451 votes. Absentees have yet to be counted.
Beloveds suffer!
I see that the count may be long for the Darcy Burner race up in Washington. Only 41% counted… hmmm but she is trailing.
OBAMA: 63,685,576…
MCCAIN: 56,280,668…
[CNN]
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haven’t run into any breakdown… I did see that of the losing Dem candidates one was Cayazoux in Lousyanna… . A big xtian dn pro lifer.
Incumbent Dem Lampson in a suburb of Houston lost. Dems muscled otu a good guy Morrison back in 2003 and ran Lampson, who actually lived a district over.
LOL
7. Never heard of them. I was just wondering how much power the right will have beyond the numbers of the party splits.
reading tea leaves, fwiw:
The Lawyers Who May Run America
& for grins, & rebuttal to ‘satire is dead”:
Morning in Obamerica: the Promised Land?
From Arcturus ABA link on lawyers… every time Deval’s anme gets floated I pray it is just the courtesy of friendship and nto a dmned thing more
Well, I am sure wanton air strikes will be a thing of the past, in what, 3 months time. IIRC Karzai jsut begged the new president to do something about it…………………….
Shit! The YES on 8 people are crazy mad. But they won!
The calls for 2 hours on KGO are driving me nuts… And others cannot figure out how we went 61% for Ob (at best a Centrist) but the state supported the ban by 4 pts.
Amos Brown, a local SF black reverend and head f the NAACP here… campaigned and stumped with NO on 8 and yet his call in to the station gave me an enormous headache. So many curlicues… He blamed the vote and the turn out in the black community for Yes on 8 on the fact that the Yes side appropriated Ob’s image and words to support their side. Although he does not believe in marriage for gays, but did nto want to limit their civil rights. Ok…………………………..
ow.
10. Am sorta glad that Dave Paterson is not an F.O.O.
Although he sent a very nice e-mail out today about Obama’s win.
Baltimore Police Taser and Jail Obama Supporters
I have something new up: White Mens’ Exultation
I’m sort of amazed at the rampant revisionism going on: Just because Obama won handily does not mean he ran a “flawless campaign.” Has everyone forgotten the whole spring and summer where he was unable to put Hillary away and “seal the deal”? Um… Rev. Wright, anyone? Greek columns in Denver? “BIDEN?!”
This is certainly water way under the bridge at this point, and I don’t feel like harping on it further myself, because the election is over with; but does the thrill of victory really make people that amnesiac? Good Lord. What is so intoxicating about the pheromones of power that kill the memory cells? So much for the reality-based community…
16 – don’t forget the disappearing act when Palin was announced.
Fat Cat Barely Fits in it’s Yogurt Box Anymore
what a great face that cat has… sort of “wanna make something of it??? I cna stop making the house safe from rampaging elephants if you want to be unpleasant….”
LOL
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Oh sure Obama/handlers made mistakes. But they also sold, for months, the ‘greatness of the campaign’ (to say nothing of the Manifest Destiny of the whole thing… LOL) as part of his resume. So it has to be “geatest ever”…
One of the funnier things, in ages, was the Brokaw hour with Charlie Rose last week.. when they over and over (oblivous to the recording devices on the set itself) said they had no clue what he would do about anything.
Oooo weeeeeeeeeeee. Strap on for the ride, is all I could think.
I pretty much accept that insurgent campaigns are ad hoc, gather in what you can and make a run for it, but… although painted as insurgent and in the presence of Hillary there was an element of that, it was far more cynical than insurgent.
Not that it really matters, however whomever it is gets there is how he gets there… [imo gonna be a while before another woman tries]
Can’t think who it was today on the Grand Rounds of TV, blithely said his finance and economy people mostly come out of the Hamilton Project at Brookings.
I am hoping that because people, not all but lots of people, are in such dire straits that the Dem party will do something for people. If only in their own interest of holding on to power.
Do you want some cheese with that whine?
The Onion (closing paragraph):
WSJ:
t seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.
Nobody likes him! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Other than that apparently there are marches in protest of 8 “all over the state”, but there certainly is a large one, est 5k, in LA, apparently on Highland Ave, a largish thoroughfare, and headed to Santa Monica…
Local NBC news seemed more interested in LA, but I imagine people are gathering here at City Hall.
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IMO women should with draw from all volunteer, unpaid work in protest of how in-the-public-eye women seeking elected office were treated this year. For a week, withdraw unpaid work..
It went way beyond the personalities or entities appearing to be at issue.
let the nation scrabble around to fill that void.
texas democratic voters have something in common with republicans.
fwiw
Smith lost in OR… Dems pick up another senate seat. (mandate!)
7. re: lampson
a huge percentage of those stay-at-home democratic voters are hillary-supporting hispanics. democratic turnout in largely hispanic districts ran about 40% of registered voters. democratic turnout in white and black districts pushed over 60% in most cases.
guess they just said fuck it.
haha! there’s one comment in the thread to that piece.
Perhaps if Nick had voted against the FISA bill and the extension to warrantless wiretapping, he would have kept his seat. It’s not just about partisan politics, or he wouldn’t have had the chance he had. Its about the poor choices he made.
bingo!
FISA like issues will rise again. AND the American people needed someone to oppose the Bail Out. If I had my way, I’d hand the mess to Dorgon and Shelby. Who really did hold out against it.
Be interesting to see what comes…
hmmm… what a laugh. We may not have to worry about Gavin making a run for the governor’s office. Not this go round nor the next… Bronstein, editor of the SF Chron/SFGATE.com is an asshole.. but so is Gavin. Think he hit the high points… at least. Pretty clear the paper will be supporting DiFi in the run…………….
re: 20 – he’s a disgrace all on his own, and he’s not a fucking monarch that we have to genuflect to.
that editorial page is such a joke. I don’t remember them worrying about how the President was treated when his name was Clinton. Weren’t they calling him a murderer in the WSJ editorial page?
Re Hispanics, some background on the Democratic “takeover” of the NY Legislature… Now there are three or four Latino senators who are refusing to pledge fealty to the new Senate majority leader, Malcolm Smith. They are miffed that Latinos don’t get enough attention or important committee appointments. (Actually, in the world of the NY Legislature, this is a big deal because perks and even office equipment are distributed in feudal fashion, even among the majority party.)
What can I say? It’s a brand new day of overarching national harmony. Sabba sibby sabba, nooby abba nabba, le le lo lo.
Errol Louis in the NYDaily News tells Obama to be bold and aggressive. hmm be interesting to see what Ob does do, once he gets in.
Re Prop 8… well, trying to find a silver lining, maybe the upcoming release of Milk will help refocus the gay activist agenda.
hmm
And Robert Gibbs, the senior strategist, auditioned successfully for any number of spots; he has apparently settled on being White House press secretary.
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probably not in numbers enough to matter but the other silver lining is that more and more people see the wisdom of civil unions for all and then if you wish a religious element, “marriage” in teh church… works in France… LOL
hmm significant percentages of “down” around the globe… more than 5% just about everywhere and 8% on the Hong Kong.
Telegraph…
Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are
Yup, humor died!
😉
Obama Undertakes Presidential Internship To Ease Concerns About His Lack Of Experience
Nation Finally Shitty Enough To Make Social Progress
The Onion may be one of the few outlets that can make satire, irony and humor work under a [faux] liberal regine.
Lieberman Meets With Reid, Tries To Cling To Senate Chairmanship
Why is Reid offering ANYTHING?
They really need to replace that worthless old fart.
the great thing about the Onion is that they seem to hold everybody in abject contempt.
Susannah Breslin from the Reverse Cowgirl blog is guestblogging at Boing Boing:
Spitzer Won’t Be Charged In Call Girl Scandal
well Spitzer was the target, certainly from the moment he hit Albany if not before… but iirc (and it is kind fo muddled) there was also some mafia rumblings take down that Emperors was ensnared in. And, imo, Spitzer was unwise to co-mingle funds. Which in his convoluted method(s) of payment he did indeed do
Very messy story, most of it untold I would guess and yeah another Law n Order type prosaically caught with his pants down and other things at attention.
What a story.
IOZ
Get that Puppy from a Shelter! from the flickr.com Message for Obama pool.
Obama considers stars for Cabinet
I think that would be a great choice.
IB
have to say… to send a clear message they BETTER DAMN well get that puppy from a shelter. Some nice mixed mutt.
One of my favorites tories was of the Mondales… they decided to get a puppy and go to a shelter. Bewfore they went they decided on a youngish male, smallish short hair dog ..
They came home with what they fell in love with, an older female collie mix who was BLIND.
So you know, go for it Obamas.
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Big rally in LA against the Yes on 8 win. overhead shots on my local news. TONS f cops. Supposedly more protests in different locations tonight. So here they will gahter at City Hall again, I imagine…
Letter from Leonard Peltier
Cheers and Jeers Bill did a poll the other day on preference for breed of pup, and “mutt” outpolled everything else and then some.
Power to the People. Power to the People in the Streets! Power to the Puppies. Power to the Mutts!
(Oh, and power to Old Blind Dogs!)
whoops! from the comments at IOZ:
I just read in Nixonland, how in 1964, the same election that brought Johnson to the White House also saw California vote in a anti-miscegenation law by 2-1. The Supremes didn’t decide that the anti-miscegenation laws were unconstitutional until 1967 w/ Loving v. VA. Short term memory loss maybe.
Nooo… we got rid of miscegenation laws via CA state SC in 1948. And polling shows it would have been years if the state had relied on the “kindness of strangers”, shall we say.
In the spirit of Fannie Lou Hamer, here’s a diary by Deoliver that (deservedly) made it to top of the pops at DK on the day before the election: They Were Slaves in Virginia . Includes wonderful family photos, accounts from local archives, and a WPA-collected oral history of the diarist’s forebears.
Apologies to the writer – her DK moniker is Deoliver47.
Profile says:
the protestors are on Santa Monica Blvd as they headed for a big Mormon Temple there. Good idea.
LAT
54 – good for them!
found this somewhere: Revoke LDS Church 501(c)(3) Status
“YOU HAVE TWO WIVES I WANT ONE HUSBAND.”
Maybe the free speech special interest group will give the Onion a run for its money!
Chortle chortle.
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well so did the Catholic Church… and some preacher in the South land… Engler (among others). I had never heard of him but he has internal “mission” houses all over the state, one here in SF, peopled with young devotees… and one fo the issues they took on was 8.
Geesh.
Drop the Bible! Drop it on your big toe!
LOL
Special to Madman – David Byrne sold out at the Egg two months ago, I discovered in a tentative phone call on concert day, but the local reviews were pretty grand and.
58 – oh, I’m sorry you couldn’t see him.
I loved the dancers too … they were fantastic.
Whoa – the Daily Show goes to town on Propositions tonight!
The Stevens Defense: Alaskan Claims that He Didn’t Intend to Steal Car and Thus Is Innocent
Can Obama Stop the Bush Administration’s Final Economic Heist?
Red Sex, Blue Sex
Why do so many evangelical teen-agers become pregnant?
well………………………. it has to be asked. How much of the long long long long list of gimmees that he dished out day after day after day after day… did they ever plan to work on at all?
Months ago I posted commentary from both Senate and House members that this and that would be way down the list, health care even, as they would be “busy” wiht the war.
So now it is just “busy with the economy”.
I am not a fan of Evan Thomas particularly, but even that script writer, on Charlie Rose last night with Meacham, said Obama had shown no real evidence of courage in the race. And that he is very “risk averse”.
I dunno.. maybe Con Law prof was a good spot, part time and part time state lege.
Who knows. Maybe we see glimmers of something else, something more, tomorrow.
what one thing will they actually pass … I’m betting on improved rail. They can sell is as being able to be used to move troops, for environmental reasons, to free up freight rail by moving passengers off those lines and holding down on the cost of trucking goods to struggling retail. Creates jobs for many years etc.
Healthcare will only be tweaking of how much money private insurance makes. The wars won’t end.
They’ll build modern rail, ESPECIALLY out of Chicago (oooo, and tie it to getting the Olympics) and along the west coast.
That’s my prediction … I’m probably wrong.
Prop. 8 protesters target Mormon temple in Westwood
The sheer lack of empathy just stuns me.
They can sell is as being able to be used to move troops
well that def as the interstate freeway system was built under National Security in the post war. Same as Paris’ Haussman lay out of boulevards. Move the troops in to quell…………………
I def expect some things to be done. No question.
We voted in the high speed rail out here, slim numbers tho. And my read the set up is a murky mess.. but I gritted my teeth and voted YES as so many Dem moutpieces were talking it down.
I am a little worried as when Boxer was here about a week before election talking about the 150 billion infrastructure proposals – and I think they tie in with a lot of the Green Promises as well, she was REALLY lackluster. Leaden. hmm … then on the Friday roundup (right before election) on PBS/KQED two reporters flatly said she sounded as tho she had no faith in ever seeing it.
I am sick to death of the gastric pains the Dems encounter when it come to ”shove”.
I also wonder what her/Boxer plans are for ’10, when she is up again. Rumbles that Arnold wants her seat. And DiFi is too close to Arnold (imo). Then again DiFi wants the governor seat…
May they congeal.
sorry Madman… Just saw the Red Blue Sex Debut from the New Yorker.. and got it out of Moderation…
fwiw .. some names for the 1:30 PM ET Economics Hoo Hoo meeting today…
So long as he is not gay, that is all that matters. The next pope could come from ……………………….Africa!
So says Ratz. Or Wilton Gregory of Atlanta… speaking ex cathedra. Or maybe the Holy Ghost dropped a note off…
Somebody talked.
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The white Catholics up here, YES on 8 activists, are on teh news tonight … screaming about…………wait.. sit down… about INTOLERANCE.
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actions have consequences. fuck with people’s lives people get pissed off. baby jesus said it best. i think its in the book of mormon.
“reap what you sow, you bastards. tough shit.”
and while i’m on the subject. can we get the deluge of all-male black preachers off the toob? i really hope i don’t have to deal with that for the next forty days and nights. are there any women ministers in the black church at all? not even a token?
yeah i thought not. jerks.
yah… that was one of the problems with Ob ascendance (this is not an endorsement of McC). In part it is accompanied by the exultation that there is nothing but Black Reverends, the penultimate reach of the narrow box they put Martin in… and fake solemnity… as of course people are beheaded for their way of life.
We will be TD Jakesed to death. We are TD Jakesed to death.
There are a few women running around… I land on them from time to time as I search for different things… There was a Rev Irene who was saying some interesting things about Wright… black lesbian woman reverend…
They seem pretty lashed to the system tho, which is PATRIARCHY — and then some. No nooooz there. I think what there is really is Wives Of The Church… The Official Ministerial Consort.
LOL.
Someone needs to bring up that Coretta came out for full on, no stopping at Go, no going to jail Gay Marriage before she died.
I don’t know if John Lewis has bothered to repeat his op piece in the AJ-C from 2003 in support of gay marriage. When he thought Howard would go all the way and maybe he had a chance at VPessa. Not sure he would complicate the Divine One’s life by repeating that. He too is sold on solemnity and endless evocation of the past. Fine and good, but I see it a s wall of self protection. A shroud of endlessly finer than thou…
Maybe instead of droning on about Civil Rights somebody could mention BAYARD RUSTIN someday…
gah.
neue threat……………………………
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