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P-pets… 7 November 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


no…  this is just a dog that came up looking at poodle mixes…

However here is Wkipedia… i was slumped over half asleep when, in response to the issue of the Obama dog, a segment came on about presidential pets… it was a hoot!!  Tho two of the best are not on this Wiki list..

I am certain I heard hyena for Teddy (hey! Go Teddy!)

Theodore Roosevelt

and an aligator that lived in a big old cast iron tub (there was a pic of the tub) but I forget which president it was.

Here it is!

John Quincy Adams

John Kennedy def had a small farm underway… (a great idea imo) …

John F. Kennedy

and I think the names of the Washington Custis pets are very very interesting.

George Washington

The list is a hoot….


Just watching the evening news, but the protest is gathering in the Castro, to march down Market – apparently it was posted on FaceBook today with 2000 RSVPs… also live shots from Temple Sq in SLC…



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

One thing I’m sick of hearing, now that I’m listening to clips of Teh One on Countdown, is this idea of moving “past partisanship and politics”.

There is a name for a state run that way. Autocracy. Or maybe Dictatorship. It’s exactly the kind of gov’t we’ve had for the last 8 years (since there has been no opposition party). It’s what gives you rushes to illegal wars, the Patriot Act and bailouts of rich conmen who have pushed their ponzi schemes too far.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

Hey hay … found this link via After Downing Street:

In an interview with Ma’ariv, Emanuel’s father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son’s appointment would be good for Israel. “Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel,” he was quoted as saying. “Why wouldn’t he be? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.”

The Ma’ariv article also quoted Dr. Emanuel as saying that his son spends most summers visiting in Tel Aviv, and that he speaks Hebrew, but not fluently.

3. liberalcatnip - 7 November 2008

2. He’s post-presidential.

4. marisacat - 7 November 2008

yeah agree.. or at least I am nto giving up my beliefs, even as I lost any possible shred of faith in the “party system”. They are merely fro themselves… to an insane and petty degree. it’s deadly.

Well that is the story line, post partisan.. post cultural wars (gays, shut up!)… and so on…

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

from the local rag: Feingold could lead Senate Foreign Relations

Nov. 7, 2008 12:27 p.m. | Vice President-elect Joe Biden’s departure from the Senate leaves the top spot open on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And the job just might be filled by Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold, one of the most fervent critics of the Iraq war.

Feingold is now fourth in line on the committee, behind Biden, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. But Dodd wants to stay on as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and Kerry is being talked about as a potential secretary of state.

6. liberalcatnip - 7 November 2008

Ooops. that should have been 1.

What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.”

Yup. I don’t know what the comedians were worried about. Plenty to stare and point at under the next administration.

7. liberalcatnip - 7 November 2008

Alright then. Putting Feingold in that position guarantees that Israel will have free reign to do whatever the hell it wants to. Feingold had nothing but good things to say about Israel’s attack on Lebanon, despite being Mr Progressive.

8. marisacat - 7 November 2008

Dodd should be bounced after the Countrywide ‘Best Friend of the Guy who Looks like the Banking Mob’ stuff.

9. marisacat - 7 November 2008

Looking over at Reuters Politics in the side bar I see he has already apologised to Nancy fro the seance comment.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

9- wimp. That was the one human moment of the whole thing.

Ray McGovern suggest some questions that Teh One should ask his daily briefer from the CIA, closes with this:

9. Mike, one of my aides has read carefully through the memoir of your former boss, ex-CIA director George Tenet, who speaks very highly of you. The reader gets the clear impression you were one of his protégés; he appointed you personal briefer to President George W. Bush.

Now two questions for you, Mike:

(1) Tenet told his British counterpart, Sir Richard Dearlove, on July 20, 2002, that the “intelligence was being fixed around the policy” of invading Iraq to bring “regime change” there. (I refer, of course, to the so-called “Downing Street Minutes” of Dearlove’s briefing of British Prime Minister Tony Blair on July 23, 2002.) Did you know, Mike, the intelligence was being “fixed?”

(2) Tenet also says in his memoirs that you “coordinated the CIA review” of Colin Powell’s speech at the U.N. on Feb. 5, 2003. Your comment?

Nothing personal, Mike. But with all due respect, you will be able to understand why I would like to start with a fresh slate. Please inform your management that I would prefer a briefer untainted by the intelligence fiasco regarding Iraq. Add that I am offended that they would send me someone so closely associated with George Tenet, the consummate “fixer” of intelligence.

And please do not forget to pass along to your successor the requests I have made.

Thank you.

Not that Teh One will actually DO that, but I guess liberals have to pretend that he meant all that “change” bullshit.

11. marisacat - 7 November 2008

Deseret News has a story up on the protest in SLC:

At 6 p.m., protesters plan to gather at City Creek Park on the corner of North Temple and State Street. The three openly gay members of the Utah Legislature — Scott McCoy, D-Salt Lake; Christine Johnson, D-Salt Lake; and Jackie Biskupski, D-Salt Lake — are expected to address the crowd, as is human-rights activist and former Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson.

After an hourlong rally, the group plans to march around the two city blocks surrounding Temple Square and the Church Office Building — “until we’re cold, tired and hungry,” Whipple said.//snip//

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008
13. marisacat - 7 November 2008

We’ll always have Hollywood. LOL This is what the Sf Chron and SJ Merc News are carrying… at least LAT and Deseret News is reporting the protests and marches.

The overhead shots on Market, it is growing. Originally they planned to walk on the sidewalks..but it is in the car lanes. Market is a huge artery, 4 and 5 lanes of cars and one of electric trolleys… The march goes for blocks… some straggle sections but mostly the road is filled. More than 2,000 I would say…

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

LOL: Tough choice

BTW, Kevin Phillips on Moyers w/ some good rants about the bailout. You have to sit through some gooey tripe from Eric Foner and Patricia J. Williams to get there.

15. NYCee - 7 November 2008

Well, like I said, I pushed the lever for him, “The One.” (Why in the world would you, HAVA, demand that we rid ourselves of those lovely, solid, ten ton Tessie voting machines? Seriously. They rock.) But the euphoria totally escaped me. When it was announced that HE won, the woman in the apt above began screaming like crazy, out the windows, and stomping up a storm. People in the bar next door began shouting out into the night and there was a lot of noise bouncing off around the blocks. Fireworks went off too. I felt none of that. My boyfriend was quite emotional, as well. I think I just wanted to be a part of history, linked up with the others who wanted it, were making it with their votes. But that is about all the connection I felt, and it really didnt feel like much. I didnt get as much of a buzz off the historical aspect as I had thought I might. I was happy to see McCain not get it, but not exactly happy about Obama getting it.

I have no idea why young people are so euphoric over him, and not just young people either. Those close-ups of those highly adoring faces in the crowd… like they are all his Mom! And like he keeps saying his first word, only it’s not just a word, it’s a fucking Shakespearian rhapsody in WOW.

I just do not get it.

His press conference was a snooze. Except the seance comment – Whoopsie! I slid past most of it. I dont think she ever did seances exactly, Nancy, or did she? Wasnt it just astrology?

I havent been to DK for the longest, but checked in for a few minutes the last couple of days, and it’s funny, all I ever see are madly adoring diaries re Obama!!! Yet sprinkled amongst them are the scolding diaries that admonish people for not singing Ode to O in harmony. Where. Are. They? Or, there was the one from Meteor, which blandly stepped up to scold the scolding diaries, in defense of dissent… again, what dissent???

I guess I need a finer-toothed comb.

Is there one so fine to be found?


16. NYCee - 7 November 2008

He is a fucking nut, Rahm.


Well, the nut doesnt fall far from the tree.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

Chris Floyd:

As the United States enters a new and unprecedented political era — or, as killjoy cynics would have it, as the American empire gets a new set of temporary managers — the fate of the “dissident” movement that arose under the Bush Regime seems greatly occluded. So many of those who set out their stalls as bold outsiders “speaking truth to power” now find themselves on the inside, enthralled by power, speaking for power, as it is personified by President-elect Barack Obama — who, ironically, has consistently repudiated many of the tenets and principles that provoked the dissidents’ outrage in the first place.

I have always disliked this phrase “speaking truth to power” (although I’m sure I’ve lazily employed it myself on several occasions). No one needs to speak truth to power: power knows the truth well enough, it knows what it is doing, and to whom, and why. What we need, most desperately, are people who will speak truth about power, and speak it to people who might not have heard that truth through the howling cacophony of media diversion, corporate spin and political manipulation.

So for those of dissident bent who would still like to speak truth about power — and who are not sending their CVs to the Obama transition team or signing on as happy warriors to defend the new imperial managers from revenge attacks by bitter partisans of the ousted faction — the question of how best to comport oneself in this brave new world takes on some urgency. In this regard, we would like to suggest the following conceptual framework for analyzing and understanding the moral, ethical, social, economic and legal implications of the policies and actions of the coming administration. (And it even comes with its own handy acronym!):

“WIBDI: What If Bush Did It?”

This user-friendly analytical tool provides a quick and easy way of determining the value of any given policy while correcting one’s perception for partisan bias. Simply take a particular action or proposal and submit it to the WIBDI test: If Bush did this, would you think it was OK? Or would you condemn it as the act of a warmonger, or a tyrant, or a corrupt corporate tool, etc.? The just-concluded campaign has already shown us how hordes of our quondam dissidents have signally failed this test, excusing, countenancing, defending or even embracing the actions and positions enumerated below by Chris Hedges:

Sen. Barack Obama’s vote to renew the Patriot Act, his votes to continue to fund the Iraq war, his backing of the FISA Reform Act, his craven courting of the Israeli lobby, his support of the death penalty, his refusal to champion universal, single-payer not-for-profit health care for all Americans, his call to increase troop levels and expand the war in Afghanistan, his failure to call for a reduction in the bloated and wasteful defense spending and his lobbying for the huge taxpayer swindle known as the bailout…

To which we could add his bellicose saber-rattling at Iran, his promise to roll back “Russian aggression” and extend war-triggering treaty protection to an aggressive Georgian regime (which cluster-bombed its own people, as we learned this week), his advocacy of destabilizing and civilian-shredding military strikes in Pakistan, his opposition to gay marriage (and campaigning with gay-bashing preachers), and his support for extending the death penalty to cover non-fatal offenses, and so on.

18. NYCee - 7 November 2008

TocqueDeville had a diary up where he argued that Obama’s appointments (like Rahmbo) are a very deep game of CHESS… cleverly keeping his ENEMIES close to him.

You know, so he can then go and do all the sweet liberal stuff dreamers dream of him doing, having effectively neutralized the bad guys’ bishops, et al.

People so want to believe.

Gosh, I mean, (cliche alert–>>) anything’s possible, but with such scant evidence to go on, I wouldnt go around hawking such highflown hopes.

19. marisacat - 7 November 2008

hey hey NYCee I had sent you an email… if and when you take a pic of the new kitty… and it is easy to do, send me a jpeg (or whwatever) of her….


20. NYCee - 7 November 2008

I came home from work today, a bit down from a thing or two (grrr… I hate when that happens on a FRIDAY), opened the door to my apt, looking forward to having it to myself, plopping down on the couch and going vegetable, when, good gawd, I noticed that the three shelves positioned above the stove were no longer there… they had come a tumbling down and tons of cans and bottles and boxes of whatnot had plunged into the litter box, onto the recycling bag, the stove, the floor… Miraculously, two much-loved pottery pieces were spared. In fact, everything was okay (well, nothing edible that lands in the litter box is okay) EXCEPT for ONE broken item. And what was that item? Why, Olive oil, of course! Everywhere.

Fuck. Is this the same as a bird shitting on you? Good luck? I sure could use some. 🙂

PS – I was worried that my little kittle might have been the cause, and buried beneath, but she was fine. Mustve scared her badly. So cute. She had bravely held off on her toilet needs until I got a spare litter box filled, literally jumping in as I was pouring. They are such angels.

21. NYCee - 7 November 2008

Hey Marisa.

Oh, I’ll check the email. I will have to get my boyfriend to send me the pictures he uploaded and sent around… He is the ever adoring photo chronicler of her. I’d love to share them with you. I am just amazed at how nature painted her. She has the loveliest bands of dark grey, like bangles, on her front legs, a lovely dappling on her back feet, white eyeliner around her eyes, and black liner around her nose. Lovely, deft strokes around the face… just gorgeous.

22. marisacat - 7 November 2008

Fuck. Is this the same as a bird shitting on you? Good luck? I sure could use some.

hmm I think that is much worse than some passing bird dropping a note. Did the screws just fall otu from the weight? What a nightmare!

and the oil………………………………. ;(

I think you need several glasses of wine. Or what ever your poison is…

23. marisacat - 7 November 2008

oh on the PS, (imo) not every cat would have held off.. you def got a good one..

24. NYCee - 7 November 2008

22 – Lol… I agree. Especially for a lazy DontAskEloise type like me… the bird dip wouldve been nirvana by comparison. The oil clean up… ugh. Hot water and towels eventually did the trick.

23 – And yes, we did get a good one. She is also quite fastidious about burying her deposits completely. (Applause!) One of my other cats, Marcel, used to just dump and do a perfunctory dig, missing the mark and not caring a whit. The other one, Lulu, I think peeved that my boyfriend brought two cats here with him, took to doing her dastardly deeds on the kitchen floor. For some reason, when I would catch her getting ready and employ a silly, high pitched urging, saying over and over, “Leeeeder box! Use the leeeeeeder box!” she would guiltily use it. Something about the long e sound persuaded her.

When I get up in the morning and arrive home, Misty Willow always comes over and puts her front paws on my leg, like a monkey clambering to get up that tree, which is me, for a big fat love exchange. Hugs, purrs, head burying stuff. Oh so cute.

25. marisacat - 7 November 2008

when I was a child we had an elderly big red… another one that came in the back door. One time when no one was home he apparently had a gastric upset and clawed some newspaper off a kitchen chair seat (it had claw marks in the paper) and then threw up on that, once he had it on the floor….

Pretty amazing what they can do if inclined…

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

View of the Obama Election: A NY Nader supporter

This was in response to a request to remove someone from their political e-mail list.


i’m happy to accede to your request and remove you from the ‘political’ list

my fear is that the one party with two heads has come up with a head that people love so much that they overlook or forgive any transgression

my prediction is that we will have:

-war in afghanistan
-health care which few can afford
-coal and nuclear power, neither of which are clean or safe
-aggressive policies in the mid east that only serve to destabilize the region and enrich the war mongers
-further privatization and anti-immigration policies, as shown by his first appointment, the right winger Rahm Israel Emmanuel

perhaps you will at least keep up with the unbiased facts on Democracy Now [www.democracynow.org] and on WBAI-FM @ 99.5. it is heard at 9 a.m. every day and is available on their web site. Reporter Amy Goodman is the most unbiased and above-reproach person in media today.

in short, he may seem like a man of the people but he is furthering the same policies that have hurt so many, regardless of how nice he seems. during his campaign, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth on campaign financing, the mid east, said he was willing to debate anyone and never debated any third party candidates, and spouted such absurdities as ‘clean coal’ and ’safe nuclear energy’. Furthermore, there are reports of plans to strip mine for uranium from PA to VT in order to supply these plants. Imagine the horrific repercussions of that.

in fact, the dem/reps have conspired to keep any real dissent out of the public discourse; you must not let a celebration over ‘a black man in the white house’ make you ignore that… Colin Powell is black and he lied about Iraq and sent thousands to their death… Condoleeza Rice is black and she not only lied about 9/11, she is so deeply in bed with the oil companies that there was an oil tanker named after her… so please don’t let the desire to ‘join the party’ force you to act against the best interests of the human race

finally, my feeling is that it is a mistake and a falsehood to think that art/music is separate from politics

there is no such thing as politics; just who gets fed and who gets shot

‘hope’ never did anything; only open minds and education and unbiased information [which you won’t get from corporate controlled media like the tv or papers or government controlled media like NPR] will give you the real picture

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” – Margaret Mead


citizen zen

27. marisacat - 7 November 2008

Just heard there is a call out to boycott travel to Utah. They could extend it to all three states +Utah. And, you know, ROME.

28. marisacat - 7 November 2008

This is why some people are so stunned… a Field (they exclusively poll CA) poll guy is guesting at Pollster with an explanation:

[W]hile the notion that social desirability effects could have played a role on a controversial social issue like same-sex marriage, tit s theory without any real evidence, whereas an alternate explanation of the deviation between the pre-election polls and the election outcome is far more compelling and is supported by the data.

First, a quick review of the pre-election polling done by the two leading public opinion polls in California, The Field Poll and the Public Policy Institute of California. They show the following trend:

* July Field: No = +9
* August PPIC: No = +14
* Early Sept Field: No = +14 or +17 (depending on wording)
* Mid-Sept PPIC: No = +14
* Mid October PPIC: NO = +8

* Late October Field: No= +5
* Election outcome: Yes = +4

These data show the No side ahead by double- digit margins throughout most of the pre-television campaign stages. However, as the TV advertising hit in mid to late September, the Yes campaign ads proved to be more effective, and the polls showing the No side advantage slipping.

I remember tho when the big money hit from the Mormons then in a few days a second huge infusion… it, and their call to alert their people and bus in volunteers, hit with a wallop, the ads hit, very smart very manipulative — and the numbers began to slide. While Sully screamed at blacks and “Palin evangelicals” weeks ago, when he saw the slide, stories were surfacing here that the Mormons and Catholics had become quite copacetic earlier this year over different matters (never read what), when CA bishops travelled to SLC and so on… and were fully meshed over 8.

Right now the SF Chron wants to ignore this (make Newsom and Kamala Harris, Nancy and Ob happy) but it is nto going to go away.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2008

That people are so easily swayed by simple-minded emotional tv ads is truly depressing.

I hope the gays in CA make those other communities pay.

30. marisacat - 7 November 2008

.and.. well.. you know…

“Here is Barack Obama in his own words on the definition of marriage,” the call began.

Then the voice of Obama speaking to a crowd comes on:

“I believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union.

God is in the mix.”

A narrator then urged a yes vote on Proposition 8.

And…… you know, Nancy said “God sent him to us”. Those exact words.

31. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Mark Morford in the SF Chron/SFGATE

[W]ait, check that. Let me say it with the proper intonation and slant: Imagine my voice trembling, the very earth beneath my feet rumbling, the very letters you are about to read appearing in enormous gothic capitals, dripping with fire and smoke and Budweiser logos, all surrounded by scowling cherubim armed with poorly printed pamphlets and a severe dislike of throbbing techno: GOD.

What, too much? I don’t think so.

Who stabbed marriage equality to death, again? The Mormon Church. Catholic groups. Evangelicals. Militant fundamentalists. Reclusive, sickly, notoriously right-wing billionaires like Howard Ahmanson, a guy who also funded a radical Christian theologian madman who himself endorses stoning gay people to death. The mother of Eric Prince, CEO of the notorious Blackwater thugs-for-hire company. …

… from the Daily Beast (linked above, at his name)

[F]ew Americans have heard of Ahmanson—and that’s the way he likes it. He donates cash either out of his own pocket or through his unincorporated Fieldstead & Co. to avoid having to report the names of his grantees to the IRS. His Tourette’s syndrome only adds to his mysterious persona, as his fear of speaking leads him to shun the media. While Ahmanson once resided in a mental institution in Kansas, he now occupies a position among the Christian right’s power pantheon as one of the movement’s most influential donors.

During a 1985 interview with the Orange County Register, Ahmanson summarized his political agenda: “My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives.” …

32. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

From the last thread. . . .


You feline supremacists think you and your operatives can just cat whistle like that and the rest of the rainbow doodle coalition won’t notice?

Ha! Think again!

33. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Foodle! Oodles of doodles WordPressed!

34. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

WaPo quotes Americablogger on boycott:

Utah, Aravosis said, “is a hate state,” and on this issue, “at a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line. . . . They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards. You don’t do that and get away with it.”

Salt Lake Tribune has article on rally and photo gallery.

35. NYCO - 8 November 2008

Sweet Lips, Scentwell and Vulcan – Staghounds

Vulcan – wow, what a cool name. The other names are lame as hell though… even in an 18th century way.

36. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008

The Independent: ‘No More Mr Nice Gay’ as Mormons face vote backlash

It’s good that this is getting international coverage but quotes like this sure don’t help:

Behind the scenes, the mood is turning increasingly ugly. “If they’re going to vote away my rights based on fear and ignorance and prejudice, I’m going to give them something to be fucking scared of,” read a message posted on the online bulletin board Queerty.

And here’s hypocrisy squared:

The Mormon Church is in damage limitation mode. “No one on either side of the question should be vilified, harassed or subject to erroneous information,” it said in a statement.

37. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008
38. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

34 – The cults smeared an entire population of people as dangerous pedophiles (especially funny coming from the Catholics). I think some threats in return are perfectly justified.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008


A sea of signs in City Creek Park, where the march began, screamed out messages including, “I didn’t vote on your marriage,” “Mormons once persecuted . . . Now persecutors,” and “Jesus said love everyone.” Others Prop 8 Rally read, “Proud of my two moms” and “Protect traditional marriage. Ban divorce.”

Former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson and three openly gay state legislators, Sen. Scott McCoy and Reps. Jackie Biskupski and Christine Johnson, spoke out in support. At one point, the crowd took up the mantra made famous by the country’s new president-elect: “Yes, we can!”

Then, the masses headed west, weaving between cars, waving at those who watched from windows in the LDS Church Office Building and shouting chants such as: “What do we want? Equality! When do we want it? Now!”

Across the street on North Temple, a group of about 50 – the majority not LDS members (oh, those poor victimized LDS cultists … their not homophobic bigots, they just AGREE with some homophobic bigots!) – defended the church’s support of the successful ballot measure. “The people voted,” they shouted at the protesters. “YOU are intolerant!”

Others screamed: “Marriage is between a man and woman. You’ll never be a man and woman!”

Some marchers offered heated arguments to the counterprotesters, others responded by kissing their partners. The romantic moments were greeted with cheers.

Tonight’s demonstration in Salt Lake City followed a similar protest Thursday at the LDS Temple in Westwood, Calif., near Los Angeles. Now several national gay activists have proposed boycotting Utah and challenging the LDS Church’s tax exempt status.

“The main focus is going to be going after the Utah brand,” John Aravosis, an influential Washington, D.C.-based blogger, told the Associated Press. “We’re going to destroy the Utah brand. It is a hate state.”

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008


“Obama is absolutely brilliant,” the televangelist, Pat Robertson told CNN the day after Tuesday’s election. “He can be one of the great presidents of the United States if he doesn’t get pulled too far off of centre.” Mr Robertson is the living symbol of the alliance between fire-and-brimstone religiosity and the Republican party over the past three decades. When, with no detectable irony, he describes Barack Obama as a potential giant of American statesmanship, it is evident that John McCain’s bid to paint Mr Obama as a dangerous radical failed.

Mr Obama’s appointment of Rahm Emanuel, a long-time aide to Bill Clinton, to be his White House chief of staff is a savvy choice that will tick a lot of people off. Mr Emanuel will be not only a force multiplier for a Democratic majority that has grown by 19 seats, but also – and more importantly – a brake on that majority. Republicans dislike him because they associate him with the Clinton White House and his sharp-elbowed leadership of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Democratic purists distrust him because he is a “New Democrat” in the Bill Clinton mould. Here, too, there is a Reagan parallel. The moment when it became clear that Reagan would leave his own ultras out in the cold was when he chose as chief of staff James Baker III, a member of the inner circle of his top primary rival, George H.W. Bush. The Baker choice was a sign that Reagan would govern mostly as the head of a nation, partly as the head of a party and only occasionally as the head of a movement.

Conservatives are as good as the old soviets at historical revisionism.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

Songwriter Protests Use of Country Hit as Palin Campaign Theme Song

AMY GOODMAN: Well, talking about women taking power, Gretchen Peters is also with us. She is a singer-songwriter. She wrote the song “Independence Day,” which became a hit for country singer Martina McBride. We played that, her version of it, in the first segment. Well, Gretchen made headlines recently when she protested the use of the song by Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Explain what happened, Gretchen. The night of the vice-presidential debate?

GRETCHEN PETERS: The night—yeah, the night of the vice-presidential debate, I got a phone call after it was over, and it was actually my booking agent, and she said, “Did you hear?” And I hadn’t heard whatever, you know. She said, “They used your song to bring Sarah Palin on stage.” And it’s not the first time, you know, the song has been sort of taken out of context and misused.

AMY GOODMAN: This was in the post-party of the debate?

GRETCHEN PETERS: The post-party, right. But I just—I think the thing that was different about it for me this time was that she really represented—this is a song about domestic abuse. I mean, this is—she represented the opposite of what this song really is all about. And I just—I knew that I didn’t have any legal recourse, but I also felt like I could have—that there was some way for me to make some kind of a statement.

AMY GOODMAN: So how did you do it?

GRETCHEN PETERS: Well, ultimately, I decided to follow the lead of this viral email that was going around, and I donated the royalties during the election cycle, from the time, you know, Sarah Palin was named as the VP candidate, to Planned Parenthood, in her name.

AMY GOODMAN: All the royalties of the song.

GRETCHEN PETERS: From the song, yeah.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you play a few verses? Let’s see what we’ve got time for, but we’re not just interested in the chorus; we want to hear this song.


AMY GOODMAN: Ultimately about domestic violence.

GRETCHEN PETERS: OK, alright, you got it. [singing] Well, she seemed all right by dawn’s early light / though she looked a little worried and weak. / She tried to pretend he wasn’t drinking again / but daddy left the proof on her cheek. / I was only eight years old that summer / and I always seemed to be in the way / so I took myself down to the fair in town / on Independence Day. / Well, word gets around in a small, small town. / They said he was a dangerous man. / Mama was proud and she stood her ground / but she knew she was on the losing end. / Some folks whispered, some just talked / but everybody looked the other way. / And when time ran out, there was no one about / on Independence Day. / Let freedom ring. / Let the white dove sing. / Let the whole world know that today is a day of reckoning. / Let the weak be strong. / Let the right be wrong. / Roll a stone away, let the guilty pay. / It’s Independence Day.

There you go.

42. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008

Welcome to the next 4 years:

I find it disgusting that fucking Anderson Cooper (42+ / 0-)

wants to keep Obama honest even before he becomes President but he was the same one who cheered Bush as he went to war. See how quickly these ass-holes want to call Obama out and want to quibble with every little thing he does or says. We have to call them out before they become too comfortable in their chosen role.

It’s a beautiful day!

by JoanMar on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 08:14:33 PM PST

Curious (1+ / 0-)

Do you have some sort of evidence to back up that he cheered Bush on? I’m not being snarky; I’m generally curious. I don’t think he even had a show at that time.

by eliza2905 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 08:21:16 PM PST

And of course the so-called progressives are calling him out for being a “closeted gay” (who cares if he is or not?) who isn’t out protesting Prop 8’s passage (while they note that he comes from Vanderbilt money so he’s an “elite” – yes, they called him that). Not that I’m a huge fan of Cooper (who did an excellent job on Katrina coverage) but anything resembling fact-checking on Obama will be vilified early and often. The apologists will be out in full force.

43. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Hyenas are very interesting critters, though Teddy the Huntah didn’t help their reputation with his slurs (“foul and evil ferocity…as cowardly as it is savage”). A matriarchal clan animal, to put it mildly, and

Though they resemble dogs, the four species of hyena—spotted, striped, brown and the aardwolf—are actually more closely related to cats, and closest to mongooses and civets. Spotted hyenas (Crocuta crocuta), also known as laughing hyenas, live in forests, swamps, deserts and mountains throughout Africa. They are the best-known, biggest (up to 189 pounds, though 135 is typical), most numerous and strangest hyenas, and not just because of their sloping profile and demented “laugh”—a high-pitched cackle they emit when frightened or excited. Spotted hyenas are also gender-benders and role reversers.

Spotted hyenas sometimes scavenge, but, contrary to popular belief, they kill 95 percent of their food. As hunters, alone or in groups, they equal leopards, cheetahs and lions.

Who’s Laughing Now?

44. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008

38. Sorry, but she’s a hypocrite:

CINCINNATI — With the help of two wildly popular women — country music singer Gretchen Wilson and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — Republican John McCain packed a cavernous airplane hangar at Lunken Airport with 12,000 supporters for a rally with less than two weeks left before Election Day.
Both campaigns have called on music stars to rally their crowds. Wilson, a Grammy Award winner, sang her 2004 hit “Redneck Woman” at Lunken. She also performed at the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn., after Palin’s acceptance speech.

I remembered that because I thought it was odd that she’d sing Redneck Woman when a lot of people thought that’s what Palin was.

45. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Different Gretchen!

46. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008
47. marisacat - 8 November 2008


Two of Intermittent Bystander’s out of Moderation, and one from catnip too…

Sorry for the delay…

…………….. 8) ……………

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

The America We Never Seem to Talk About (Photo Essay)

NB: The title of your work is “Upstate Girls.” Upstate, meaning it’s north of New York City, but upstate has another connotation.

AK: Yes — “Upstate” is a phrase that is well known in New York street culture, now also interchangeable with “Up North.” It is a stable in hip-hop lyrics and needs no clarification among families whose involvement with the legal system is all-pervasive. The phrase is, of course, demographically, relevant. Well-heeled New Yorkers often keep vacation homes “upstate.” I was clearly reminded of the two Americas a few years ago when one of my godsons from Bedford Stuyvesant was attending a function at my son’s Manhattan school. He heard one of the parents talking about their summer getaway upstate, and later asked me who in that woman’s family was “locked up.”

NB: How was this “upstate” born?

AK: It came into being during the 1970s with the enactment of the Rockefeller drug laws, which created thousands of new convicts facing drug sentences of 10, 20, even 30 years for possession charges. The result was a prison boom upstate, which became increasingly important in towns like Troy, as manufacturing jobs were lost to globalization. So young male inmates with brown skin and low incomes were shipped from New York City to be counted as widgets in the state inventory where government money was awarded according to population numbers. And the only population gain in upstate New York over the past 10 years has been from inmates and those connected to inmates. Drug crimes have risen and the local police and sheriff have adopted a zero-tolerance policy, Giuliani-style, leading to more arrests and incarcerations, and the circle spins round and round. This has particularly impacted juveniles. There is now a special section in Albany County Jail for under 18 years old known as “baby jail.”

The policy of judicial intervention has become more widely acceptable, spreading to schools — children who are seen as behavioral problems are required to take medication. If parents do not comply, there have been cases where the parents have been charged with neglect through family court. The medication is seen as a permanent solution to an often short-term problem and can turn into another form of warehousing already disadvantaged young people. Many times the students have problems because they lack structure at home due to a working mother and an incarcerated father, so it is like they are criminalized at every turn. I met one woman who had been arrested and jailed because her teenage daughter became pregnant while “living under her mother’s roof.” It happened during a period when the woman was working at Wal-Mart and the daughter was home unsupervised. She was reported by a bitter ex-husband.

49. marisacat - 8 November 2008


well the reason that Robertson is drooling is Israel. And hell who knows .. maybe the Emanuel’s share an interest in those diamond mines.

I just read something interesting and to the point last night on Rahm’s doings in building the numbers for the DC3 in 2006… will find it again.

50. marisacat - 8 November 2008

I met one woman who had been arrested and jailed because her teenage daughter became pregnant while “living under her mother’s roof.” It happened during a period when the woman was working at Wal-Mart and the daughter was home unsupervised. She was reported by a bitter ex-husband.

yes well, let’s all demonise underage unwed pregnancy. Which is, after all, an inconvenient but natural happening…. And not a crime of Bad Parenting Leading to Jail..

51. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Here is the snippet on Rahm:

To win the House, the Dems had to win 15 seats from the Republicans. Walsh identified 22 candidates hand picked by Emanuel to run in open districts or districts with Republican incumbents. Of these, nine adopted a US “must win” in Iraq position and only one of Rahm’s candidates was for prompt withdrawal from Iraq.

Then, after the election, Walsh assessed Rahm’s supposed brilliance in winning back the House. “Looking at all 22 candidates hand-picked by Rahm, “ Walsh wrote, “we find that 13 were defeated [including Duckworth], and only 8 won! And remember that this was the year [2006] of the Democratic tsunami and that Rahm’s favorites were handsomely financed by the DCCC. The Dems have picked up 28 seats so far, maybe more. So out of that 28, Rahm’s choices accounted for 8! Since the Dems only needed 15 seats to win the House, Rahm’s efforts were completely unnecessary. Had the campaign rested on Rahm’s choices, there would have been only 8 or 9 new seats, and the Dems would have lost. In fact, Rahm’s efforts were probably counterproductive for the Dems since the great majority of voters were antiwar and they were voting primarily on the issue of the war (60 per cent according to CNN). But Rahm’s candidates were not antiwar.

That Alexander Cockburn piece has a few tidbits… 😉 and a back and forth with Nader in it as well, from that section:

AC: How about the liberals and the left now?

Nader: The real crisis is the self-destruction of the liberal progressive community. It’s got nowhere to go, other than to renew its three out of four year cycle of criticism of the Democrats. They’ve nowhere to go because they’ve made no demands. He’s been a candid right-center Democrat and they’ve given him a free ride. No demands. From Labor? No demands. He gave them a sop on the card check. He campaigned for two years, promised blacks nothing, Latinos nothing, women’s groups nothing, labor nothing. Contrast the lack of demands on the liberal progressive side to what the Limbaugh crowd exacted from McCain.

AC: You think Michael Moore could have made some demands in return for his support?

Nader: Moore knows were his bread is buttered. He’s seen what the Hollywood set and the others did to me.

the last is a bitter laugh. Obama is and has been up to his nostrils in “Hollywood”.

52. marisacat - 8 November 2008

the SF Chron’s online pulled itself together last night around 2 am and got several articles up and a slew of photos. link to a sign at Mormon HQ in SLC last ngiht… Spires a Go Go…

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008
54. marisacat - 8 November 2008

LOL someone popped me this on the musci each camp played after their concession/acceptance speeches… I had heard of the McC pick but no the Ob camp pick…

Candidates Turn To (Denzel) Washington

Writing by Dave on Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 at 11:01 am

Notice anything interesting about the election speeches last night? Specifically about the music both campaigns decided to play after the concession and acceptance speeches?

The McCain campaign chose Hans Zimmer’s Crimson Tide theme (CLICK), a piece of music written for a 1995 Tony Scott where an old, maverick white man played by Gene Hackman is overthrown by a young black man played by Denzel Washington.

The Obama campaign chose to play parts of the Remember The Titans score by Trevor Rabin, a piece of music written to score Denzel Washington’s struggle to unite a multi-racial football team under a common goal (CLICK).

What a hoot.

55. marisacat - 8 November 2008

I laughed last night… Charlie R had yet another roundtable

… that idiot Remnick… Alan Brinkley from Columbia and Beschloss… and quite a few moments again of soft grimace with hidden hand wring (after long drifts of atmospherics) that no one knows what Ob will do. And why is that? LOL Remnick admitted he has “no record”… a “bare year in the senate before he bagan his run”.

What a scream!!

I noticed the only hard promise with some assurance he held out at his presser was to bail out Detroit. The rest was again pre or post coital atmospherics.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

from this weekend’s Chris Matthews Show:

Tweety: What will he ask him? (when Obama visits Bush Monday).

Buhmiller: wha wha wha KATRINA

Dan Rather: I don’t think he needs anything from President Bush. He needs to do what FDR did w/ Herbert Hoover. “Thank you MR. President, it’s a new day. Goodbye.”

57. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Drop the Rock Empowerment Day (part of a longstanding campaign to repeal NYS’s 35-yr-old Rockefeller drug laws) was held in early October.

Fingers crossed that the state’s fiscal crisis, combined with November’s election results, will finally ring some real ch . . ch . . ch . . changes.

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

Israeli Supreme Court Rules That “Museum of Tolerance” Can Be Build on Top of Ancient Muslim Cemetary

Israel’s Supreme Court have ruled that the government may destroy part of an ancient Muslim cemetery to build a new “Museum of Tolerance.” The cemetery contains the bones of past leading Muslim clerics and the warriors of famed Saladin who retook Jerusalem.

The building itself (above) is a beautiful design — a $250 million design by Frank Gehry. Yet, Muslims are understandably outraged that the Museum of Tolerance will literally be built on the graves of their heroes and leaders. It is located inside West Jerusalem.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, from the Simon Wiesenthal Center, dismisses the complaints as much ado about “derelict land”. He argues that “Jerusalem is a city built on top of thousands of bones – Jewish and Muslim. If we declared the whole of Jerusalem one huge cemetery, we’d never be able to build anything.”

59. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008

Different Gretchen!

Ooops! I sit corrected. Thanks.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

54 – So funny! All hail Denzella!

61. marisacat - 8 November 2008


I wish NYS better luck than we just had with, what else, a ballot measure. It was unbelievably broad, pulling in all sorts of aspects of level of infraction, incarceration, parole issues and so on… All 5, one present 4 former, governors stood together and urged a NO vote. lot of pandering to the Huge Prison Guard Lobby… etc. And it went down in flames.

On the other hand another mess of a measure, with draconian stuff hidden inside, sold as a “safe neighborhoods” and ”anti gang” bill (and we just had a big showy federal round up of MS-13) went down in flames, really big flames. Probably a frantic reaction to the possible cost, but every single CA county, top to bottom and side to side, turned it down.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

59 – No prob! BTW – Special doodle-coded message for at #32!

63. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Special doodle-coded message for you, I meant. Be sure and check out the Canadian mongrel love-child story in comments at the last link!

64. marisacat - 8 November 2008

One of our problems in CA…flies under the radar a lot — and at least in my experience, Asian products of missionary evangelism are some of the nuttiest, most stone blank people i have ever met. I would bet if 240 (think that is what Shanikka broke out as the number surveyed that produced the 70/30 split for black xtian voters on 8] were surveyed for how they voted on 8 it would be 95/5…

At Grace Korean Church in Fullerton, two walls inside the elegant atrium serve as a photo gallery highlighting the work of 208 missionaries serving in 47 countries, including Sweden, Italy, Argentina, Bangladesh, Russia and Vietnam.

“Mission is prayer. Mission is warfare. Mission is martyrdom,” reads a bilingual sign on a giant board that stands prominently on the 25-acre campus where a new Vision Center with a 3,000-seat auditorium is nearing completion.

The church, begun with three families 25 years ago in Los Angeles, today has 4,500 members and a $15-million annual budget. Half of the budget is set aside to support missions.

Along with rapid growth, 5 a.m. prayer worship and tithing, Korean churches on both sides of the Pacific are distinguished by their emphasis on evangelism. Surveys have shown that South Korea dispatches more Christian missionaries abroad than any other country except for the United States.

“Some passionate evangelicals even predict that it will not be long before South Korea is No. 1,” said Sun Gun Kim, a professor of sociology at Seowon University and an expert on Korean churches.

Tommy Dyo, national director of Epic Movement, an Asian American ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ, has seen the same trend. “I am so impressed with the Korean Christian movement,” Dyo said. “They are willing to step out in faith and take some big risks for the Lord.”

The reach — and potential perils — of Korean missionary work garnered international headlines last year, when Korean missionaries were abducted by Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan. Nineteen of the missionaries were released and two were killed. [church planting in a war zone, Hallelujah! — Mcat]

Ho Chung, a former Garden Grove city councilman and a well-known Korean American community leader, tried to sum up the value of missionary work. Being a follower of Christ, he said, means taking up the cross every day. “Sanctification,” he said, “is a continuing journey — of repentance and redemption.”

65. marisacat - 8 November 2008

think someone might have already mentioned this.. Melissa Etheridge threatens to withhold CA state taxes (we pay waaaay too much anyway!)… but if she persists, watch the Democrats drop her like a very hot potato. Last thing either Permanent Government faces and fronts want is a tax revolt.

66. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

From a day-after-the-election Newsday article – New York Dems promise to bolster state’s economy – the prospects of same-sex marriage in NY (previously approved by the Assembly, but kept in cold storage by the GOP senate) still look pretty dim, but

Gabriel Sayegh, project director for the Drug Policy Alliance, hopes the switch in Senate control will shift the state’s drug policies toward treatment and social services instead of costly incarceration.

“We’ve had 35 years of drug laws, not just with bad sentencing policies, but also an approach to drugs that has failed dramatically,” he said.

State Conservative Party chairman Michael Long said, “You’re going to see a liberalization of many of the laws we have on the books.”

PS: The AP has an item out today with quotes from some of the likely players on marriage rights:

The Rev. Duane Motley, founder of New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, which opposes gay marriage, said they knew that with Republicans in control of the Senate that legislation to legalize it “was not going to come up.” With Democrats in control, he said party members will be pushing for it, but he questioned whether they have the votes.

“I think there’s at least four or five Democrats who wouldn’t support it,” said Motley, who said his group represents more than 2,000 evangelical churches and 500 other Christian organizations statewide. He believes the Republican senators will remain opposed.


Though Sen. Malcolm Smith of Queens, leader of the Senate’s Democratic Caucus, supports gay marriage, he said his conference’s first priority is the state’s fiscal crisis, followed by job creation upstate.


Van Capelle said Empire Pride achieved both its election goals Tuesday.

“Every member of the Assembly who voted for marriage equality and transgender civil rights won their re-election,” he said.

A Quinnipiac poll in June showed New Yorkers split over gay marriage, with 42 percent saying same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, 31 percent saying they should be allowed to form civil unions but not marry, and 21 percent saying there should be no legal recognition of same-sex unions.

However, 53 percent of voters supported Paterson’s order to state agencies to recognize same-sex marriages performed outside New York, while 40 percent disapproved.

“New York is fairly liberal on this. If you didn’t have a fiscal crisis and you had a nice even-toned, even landscape for politics, maybe you could do it,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “You never know, but I can’t believe that the Senate leadership would want to get embroiled in this when they’ve got tough mainstream things to do. This is a social issue with a lot of emotion.”

67. marisacat - 8 November 2008



ABC’s ‘This Week’ – Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chief of staff to President-elect Obama.

CBS’ ‘Face the Nation’ – Emanuel.

NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ – Valerie Jarrett, adviser in Obama’s transition team; Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla.; Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C.; Doris Kearns Goodwin, presidential historian.

CNN’s ‘Late Edition’ – Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev.; Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif.; Tony Blair, Middle East envoy.

‘Fox News Sunday’ – Reps. Mike Pence, R-Ind., and Eric Cantor, R-Va.

68. marisacat - 8 November 2008

the prospects of same-sex marriage in NY (previously approved by the Assembly, but kept in cold storage by the GOP senate) still look pretty dim,

Our state lege (think we call it Assembly) passed SSM TWICE as well. Arnold vetoed both times. The most recent in 2007.

69. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

What a two-faced fucker he is.

I’ve never gotten past step one – sheer amazement – at his election to Gubbernator in the first place.

70. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Looking at the interactive maps following the Recall.. I felt very very surrounded… more than I ever had before, the 9 Bay Area counties were a small sea of blue in a Big Red State.

SF went against the Recall by 80% and Arnold hit back at us, right away. Can’t remember all the details now but he hit us thru the Golden Gate Bridge Authority… some things up before his office in Sacramento.

Yes I started out disliking him — and his wife — and LOL I still do!

71. marisacat - 8 November 2008

One thing I always remember, the night he was elected a local news station took a camera crew out to the International Terminal at SFO and asked random people (quite a lot, it was a long segment), all non-nationals, what they thought of us electing Arnold.

I really was ashamed.. they were appalled, they laughed, they expressed horror, amazement, dismay.. you name it.

It was very very depressing.

72. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

horror, amazement, dismay.. you name it. It was very very depressing.

Well, that feeling sure went national in 2004!

FYI – Another Deoliver47 diary on the reclist: Bill Ayres speaks out, with a link to Ayres at In These Times.

73. NYCO - 8 November 2008

Gay marriage in New York just seems such a backburner issue. Although Paterson is an unapologetic advocate, he’s still seen as “the accidental governor.” In fact the last time it seemed upfront was when the mayor of New Paltz was marrying people. That was years ago.

However the difference between Calif and New York is that the religious right is politically disorganized. The Catholic Church is about all there is. However, I thought their opposition to Pataki’s death penalty was quite weak (water under the bridge since NY’s death penalty is in a coma now). Maybe they’d get more passionate about gay marriage.

74. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Interesting about NY and SSM from all angles.. as the coming utopia of SSM in NYS and CT is what the lie down fall down Dem or Dem leaning centrist gays are preaching since the loss of 8…

David Mixner in particular, who 15 years ago was arrested outside the WH and wrote (and spoke) very well about having worked on the Clinton campaign, hoped for change, found it betrayed, and moved outside, protested at the fence of the WH and was arrested as he looked at faces he had worked with, watch from inside…. but today he preaches lie down and die, or look! over there!. I understand people wear out, literally, and move to a place of less disruption and hurt… but a lot fo the ‘calm down you’ll feel better, lie down, you’ll really feel better’ advisories have a whiff of ‘sold out’.

On the other hand, it is extremely important to acknowledge the real victories we had on election night. Empire State Pride Agenda’s (ESPA) million dollar campaign to take control of the New York State Senate after decades of Republican’s blocking our legislation was successful. We are now one crucial step closer to marriage in that State. This coming week, Connecticut will begin marrying members of the LGBT community. Because of the election, we are also closer in New Jersey to achieving marriage. We are continuing to make progress one step at a time.

As does Sully (couched within mixed messages) and as do others…

LOL here is a comment from that post of Mixner’s

Come on David – this posting is so long, mush and full of BS. It ignores the true situation. Clear fact is that the African American and Latino communities did not support the LGBT community by huge majorities when we needed them most in CA. Mormon money poured in, but they didn’t vote. Our Progrssive allies abandoned us – lets addresss it and fix it. Ignoring the true issue here does not help. Also, we have the EXACT same problem in New York State where some prominent Latino Democratic Senators are now “independent” if a gay marriage bill is brought forward. Be real. The African American, Latino, and LGBT communities need a hard, long chat. You are begginng to sound like an irrelevant “has been”…. get with it! Be real.

Posted by: Bruce | Nov 6, 2008 2:04:11 PM

Of course he leaves out the Catholics, who are in state and do vote… as Sully almost always does.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008
76. marisacat - 8 November 2008

ugh… an opinon piece in the LAT… from a black lesbian on 8.. she’s right on some stuff, the mess that No on 8 campaign was — it seems to have been hopelessly flat footed at every turn.. and I am sorry to say I suspect D party ptb are pleased, a big Obama win matched with a big CA state gay marriage win probably was not what they wanted — and her comment on NO on 8 limiting outreach and partnering with NAACP is telling… but she loses me on this kind of thing:

The first problem with Proposition 8 was the issue of marriage itself. The white gay community never successfully communicated to blacks why it should matter to us above everything else — not just to me as a lesbian but to blacks generally. The way I see it, the white gay community is banging its head against the glass ceiling of a room called equality, believing that a breakthrough on marriage will bestow on it parity with heterosexuals. But the right to marry does nothing to address the problems faced by both black gays and black straights. Does someone who is homeless or suffering from HIV but has no healthcare, or newly out of prison and unemployed, really benefit from the right to marry someone of the same sex?

Nor do those issues specifically and uniquely benefit from any number of rights, including marriage as ti stands now. So let’s LOL wipe them away.

I always see expansion of rights as ultimately benefitting everyone.


Other than that a reader writes into Sully that one group Ob lost vs Kerry was gays. By 7 pts, but he does not source this. (oh yes the pt spread loss is racism, in case you were wondering… LOL because Ob has been nothing but supportive… well not if you read him closely!)

77. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Just saw a headline that Security Pacific Bank has been shut by FDIC, here in CA… apparently some in TX as well. Franklin Bank… .

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008
79. NYCO - 8 November 2008

Empire State Pride Agenda’s (ESPA) million dollar campaign to take control of the New York State Senate after decades of Republican’s blocking our legislation was successful.

Huh? This was all about them? And it took them a million dollars to dislodge a grand total of two senile old Republicans? Some victory. Sounds like California gay activists aren’t the only ones blowing their cash.

80. NYCO - 8 November 2008

Oh my goodness… Get Your War On is now animated? Ugh, don’t like. Sellout.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008
82. liberalcatnip - 8 November 2008

32. You feline supremacists think you and your operatives can just cat whistle like that and the rest of the rainbow doodle coalition won’t notice?

Ha! Think again!

lol…the Big Tent version of snickerdoodle mania. 🙂

83. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Huh? This was all about them?

Yeah, that was a surprise to me, too – don’t think I’ve ever seen a single NYS political campaign ad that even mentioned gays or marriage, in any context – but good for them, I’m sure, for helping with this:

“Every member of the Assembly who voted for marriage equality and transgender civil rights won their re-election,” he said.

As a litmus test for $$ support, that works as well as anything, for me.

I always see expansion of rights as ultimately benefitting everyone.

Why is that so hard for people to get? These are not licenses to KILL. Cough cough choke ahem spit. . . .


Sorry presidential pet fans, but STOP THE PRESSES and HOLD THE RESCUEDOODLES!
No puppy till springtime, says ChiTrib.

(Be sure and add to the massive landslide for shelter dog in the poll.)

Despite breathless anticipation over the name and breed of the First Pup, the family will wait until spring to adopt a pet, Obama’s transition staff said Friday. But aides say Obama is not reneging. When the future First Parents agreed to let Malia and Sasha have a dog, it was on the condition that the adoption occur in the spring so they wouldn’t be housebreaking it in the winter.

I remain steadfast in my hope that the ultimate pup will be a low-income cross-breed born of canine lurv and lust.

84. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Intermittent Blowhard in the mod pod again.

85. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

82 – That wonderful Wheaten Terrier/Baffin Island mutt reminded me so much of my own one-time (seven-year, two-nation, sadly-departed, much-missed) dog, a miraculous mutt born of two miraculous (and locally famous, brilliant, beloved) Montreal mutts. She was full-spectrum salt-and-pepper , not blonde (though a brother was), and her parent’s genealogical components included beagle and German shepherd as well as some sort of terrier and whippet, as best as anyone could say.

Most definitely a love-child of free choice and unsupervised association – and she was the runt of the litter, assigned to me shortly after birth, despite my weak protestations.

What a stunner, in every way.

Years hence, she in turn made her own free choice from the bachelors near a lake in the Eastern Townships of Quebec, and produced a gorgeous litter of equally multifarious and marvelous puppies. Wooot! Shortly thereafter, well-assigned.

(I’ll save the subplot and parallel heritage of alley cat progeny aside, for now. Don’t wanna turn the tale into cute overload, or whatever.)

86. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Echoing the sentiment of Arianna Huffington, who spoke on a panel earlier yesterday, Gore kicked off his speech by saying that Barack Obama would never have been elected president were it not for the Internet

“The electrifying redemption of America’s revolutionary declaration that ‘all human beings are created equal’ would not have been possible without the Internet,” said Gore (leaving no decorative word unspoken).

“I’m a recovering politician,” he later added.

Big Al Says the Web Can Save Us.

87. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

81 – Night of the Living Clinton Staffers

LOL indeed, but just shift the frame (Overton window alert! Left AND right!) and just imagine the blogospheric pups at their heels!

88. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

80 – Ho ho ho!

Some kind of special moustache?

Yeah, right, whatever scares you the most.

I know where you’re coming from – the beauty of static clip art + reader’s imagination – but that was frickin’ funneee.

89. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Frontal view of Gypsy Snickerdoodle. Comments include forest exploits.

Still in mod, I’m afraid, poor Marisa. The manual labor – in itself – of WordPress vicariously pains me.

Special to NYCee: Credit crunch jokes from the BBC

What’s the difference between Investment Bankers and London Pigeons? The Pigeons are still capable of making deposits on new BMW’s.

Rob, London, UK

90. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Marisacat – Figured you’d enjoy this back-and-forth re Cegelis, in the context of who should replace Ob, as senator.

91. marisacat - 8 November 2008


very very sorry…. was dead asleep… got two of yours out of moderation


the so called gay campaign for nys dem contrl… that is coming from dem operative mouths [imo] as i see it from types like david mixner…. it is pretty laughable. they are using it to appear as a powerful dem affliated bloc. just a wild guess….

92. marisacat - 8 November 2008


thanks!! for that on cegelis… it was clear the blahg boys had been told to step back from cegelis and further, as mydd blurted in a shocked reaction to her primary bare win… that they had been told ”from washington” she would win over cegelis by more than 10 pts. as soon as she won she was all over cable and big news network… lol then she LOST…


93. marisacat - 8 November 2008

I had noticed that the puppy is not scheduled till spring and wondered why… hmmm. Planning for all possible contingencies.


oh what a great story!

94. Intermittent Bystander - 8 November 2008

Marisa t 92 – No problem . . . hate disturbing your rest . . . bicoastal readership’s a bitch, no doubt . . .

And no doubt the gnational pressures (and $$ all around) will increase, now that NYS Dems have majority.

I say . . . Whip it! Whippets good!

95. marisacat - 8 November 2008


from the comments at Flickr:

in the morning, she lounges on the bed while I’m sleeping, when I wake up, she rolls over languidly & wants Hobbit & I to rub her belly… Then she SPRINGS to her feet.

SHAKES her head.
stretches & she’s ON DUTY.

busy, busy girl… on one of our camping trips, she popped the tent door while we were sleeping. we woke up & she’d tree’d multiple racoons in multiple trees about the campsite & was patrolling an earnest circuit around them…

“don’t make me come up there!!!”

she was sooo tired & so happy we were awake to take the ‘next shift’…

What a scene to wake up to!

96. marisacat - 8 November 2008

Close of an LAT round-up piece on the spontaneous marches of the past couple of days:

Protests are planned Sunday for downtown Los Angeles, Lake Forest, Laguna Niguel, La Jolla, Oakland, Sacramento, San Jose and Visalia. Many of these plan to congregate or march to the steps of Catholic churches or Mormon . Catholic organizations spoke in favor of Proposition 8, and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints marshaled millions of dollars from church members to help finance the campaign for the measure.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2008

Teach your children well:

ST. JOHNS, Ariz. (AP) — A man who police believe was shot and killed by his 8-year-old son had consulted a Roman Catholic priest about whether the boy should handle guns and had taught him how to use a rifle, the clergyman said Saturday.

The father, Vincent Romero, 29, was from a family of avid hunters and wanted to make sure the boy wasn’t afraid of guns, said the Very Rev. John Paul Sauter of St. Johns Catholic Church. The boy’s stepmother had suggested he have a BB gun, the priest said.

Romero taught his son how to use a rifle to kill prairie dogs, Sauter said. Police say the boy used a .22-caliber rifle Wednesday to kill his father and another man, Timothy Romans, 39, of San Carlos.

The priest did not say how he advised the couple but said Saturday that the boy “was just too young.”

“That child, I don’t think he knows what he did, and it was brutal,” Sauter said.

The boy, who faces two counts of premeditated murder, did not act on the spur of the moment, St. Johns Police Chief Roy Melnick said. Police are looking into whether he might have been abused.

“I’m not accusing anybody of anything at this point,” he said Saturday. “But we’re certainly going to look at the abuse part of this. He’s 8 years old. He just doesn’t decide one day that he’s going to shoot his father and shoot his father’s friend for no reason. Something led up to this.”

98. marisacat - 8 November 2008

I just heard on the news that some there want the child, who is barely the age where the laws accept he is legally competent, to be tried as an adult. Not even thrown over the cliff as a juvenile, but as a fully competent adult.

Think the current charge is premeditated homicide.

Why don’t we figure out what the hell happened first?

99. marisacat - 9 November 2008

gnu thred


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