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The hand of God… 15 November 2008

Posted by marisacat in California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, San Francisco, Sex / Reproductive Health, WAR!.


Flamingos are seen at a pond at the Jurong Bird Park in Singapore Picture [REUTERS via Daily Telegraph]

It’s not a cliche… no hand of god nor pagan procession of evolution that made the flamingo – those traveling necks, more articulated than tubular, the mind blowing color drawn from their diet, heads that can rest on the extravagant, trailing, bouffant plumage.. no, no god who made these would stand in the way of gay marriage.

Today is a first, very real test of how fast a movement can grow making use of the internet. From the night of the 4th to the 15th…  Not the internet alone, but that confluence of a peak moment of frustration, a newly determined and exposed opposition – and, I am guessing here, equal parts frustration with leadership..  and a tool at hand.  Protests in as many as 300 cities today, across the country.

All of this bumptiousness has roused the ire of the known authoritarians, Pat Boone (Pat Boone?) for one (his italics):

I’ll tell you what kind of twisted freaks – furious homosexual activists. Almost immediately after Proposition 8 won decisively in our California election, as its functional equivalent, Proposition 22, had previously, the street demonstrations began.

How dare the voters defy the wishes of this sexually defined group?  How dare the people of California require that marriage continue to be defined in such narrow terms, just one man, one woman? We’ll show ’em … We’ll take to the streets! And that’s what they did, in jarring numbers.

They’d learned that Catholic and Mormon church members and others across the state had donated personally to an organized campaign to defend the humanly essential institution of marriage. And the activists were livid.

…here is the clue… “in jarring numbers”.  Easier for them if inconvenient people stay out of sight, in the box, the closet or, best yet, the coffin.

Stay out there, is all I can say.  Let it grow.

Former Governor Wilson called the protests tantrums… with an unpleasant smile on his face.  Well of course, because gays, minorities, women and, above all, children, are irresponsible, non-entities, or, if expressing christian charity, not-quite-acceptable entities…  Natch.  Keep the US caste system going!

Chuck Colson, who served time for transgressions (oh they were crimes, when we still called that stuff criminal) under Watergate, shook with righteous fury:

This view reflects the biblical and natural law understanding that marriage is a two-in-one-flesh communion of persons. This communion is consummated by sexual acts that are reproductive in nature. They unite the spouses as a single procreative unit—an organic unity achieved even by infertile couples. Only a mated pair can be a complete organism capable of human procreation.

Since homosexual acts have no relationship to procreation and cannot unite persons organically, these acts cannot be marital—which means relationships integrated around them cannot be marriages.

The mighty have spoken.  All the protesters can do is stay out there, be relentless. It pisses the rulers off.

Related, this gave me a huge horse laugh last night when I stumbled upon it.  The Googliooglies are part of the incoming rulers – none other than Valerie Jarrett referred to the coming rule of Obama, whoopsie dear… try to keep that sentiment under those blankies embroidered with “Change” and “Hope”.   However,  they sound very much like the LAST administration:

A website launched Friday with the backing of technology industry and Hollywood elite urges people worldwide to help craft a framework for harmony between all religions. The Charter for Compassion project on the Internet at http://www.charterforcompassion.org springs from a “wish” granted this year to religious scholar Karen Armstrong at a premier Technology, Entertainment and Design (TED) conference in California.

“Tedizens” include Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin along with other Internet icons as well as celebrities such as Forest Whittaker and Cameron Diaz.

Wishes granted at TED envision ways to better the world and come with a promise that Tedizens will lend their clout and capabilities to making them come true.

Armstrong’s wish is to combine universal principles of respect and compassion into a charter based on a “golden rule” she believes is at the core of every major religion.

The Golden Rule essentially calls on people to do unto others as they would have done unto them.

“The chief task of our time is to build a global society where people of all persuasions can live together in peace and harmony,” Armstrong said.

“If we do not achieve this, it seems unlikely that we will have a viable world to hand on to the next generation.”

Charter for Compassion invites people from “all faiths, nationalities, languages and backgrounds” to help draft statements of principles and actions that should be taken.

Golden Rule (there is that word again!) at the core of every major religion?  Drafting Charters for Compassion?  What are these people? Hop heads? Blissed out Dirty Hippies?  Left over Bushians from Year One of That Rule?  They sound CONFUSED and clearly smoking something USDA Choice.  These are people with too much time on their hands.  And no fucking clue.  Too busy snitching to the government via TECHNOLOGY.  Now over laced with RELIGION.

Save us from this.


In a similar vein, glad Naomi is saying it… but unfortunately we just have to grit our teeth and live thru it…

[Y]es, there is only one president at a time, but that president needed the support of powerful Democrats – including Obama – to get the bail-out passed. Now that it is clear the Bush administration is violating the terms to which both parties agreed, the Democrats have not just the right, but a grave responsibility, to intervene forcefully.

I suspect the real reason the Democrats are failing to act has less to do with presidential protocol than with fear: fear that the stockmarket, which has the temperament of an over-indulged two-year-old, will throw one of its world-shaking tantrums. Disclosing the truth about who is receiving federal loans, we are told, could cause the market to bet against those banks. Question the legality of equity deals, and the same thing will happen. Challenge the $140bn tax giveaway and mergers could fail.

More than that, the Democrats, including Obama, appear to believe that the need to soothe the market should govern all key economic decisions in the transition period. Which is why, just days after a euphoric victory for “change,” the mantra abruptly shifted to “smooth transition” and “continuity.”  ::snip::

Just don’t fall over in a heap when they call for a Charter for Compassion with the previous admin. Even as they congeal.


Martin’s Burning House…


Sayre fire rages in Sylmar: A firefighter is surrounded by embers at the Oakridge Mobile Home Park in Sylmar November 15, 2008 [Brian Vander Brug/ Los Angeles Times]

I missed the spread of fires, in Los Angeles and in Orange County, last night… our heat wave surged and I drifted off with loads of instrumental jazz playing… mugs of hot smokey tea and buttered muffins thru the night…  This passage caught my eye as metaphor:

A Los Angeles County fire official said most of the property losses were in that area, which is near Olive View Hospital. Firefighters there waged a dramatic battle to protect the hospital in the early-morning hours as patients were taken to upper floors to escape smoke pouring into the lower floors.

At 1:30 a.m. the blaze surrounded Olive View, where 200 patients were sheltered in place with hospital staff as a phalanx of firefighters fought back flames.

Soon, both the hospital’s power and backup generators had failed. Hallways were pitch dark and smelled heavily of smoke as staff attended to patients, using flashlights to work. A handful of the most critically ill patients were kept alive with hand-powered ventilators.

Eventually emergency room staff wheeled a swaddled infant on a gurney into an ambulance amid smoke and embers as trees, brush and grass burned about 100 yards away. Six adults and four other infants, all in need of respirators, were also rushed out in ambulances.

“We have no power, and our generators are not working,” said hospital spokeswoman Carla Nino just after 2 a.m. “With no power, we have no fans. . . . We are not circulating any air.”

Backup power was restored at Olive View shortly before 4 a.m. Officials said they were deciding whether to evacuate the remaining patients after power lines were destroyed in the fire. The most critically ill patients had been moved to Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena and Glendale Adventist Medical Center. Other patients were removed from the first and second floors of Olive View to escape smoke in the building.

Sounds a little like America and the juncture she is at right now… in the hospital the power, and thus the lights, came back on.

In the Sayre Sylmar fire the other end of the financial spectrum got hit, a mobile home park with hundreds of trailer homes was wiped out, to the ground.  So severe, it may out rank the 1961 Bel Air fire which claimed just under 500 homes and structures.   The mobile home park, with mostly elderly residents, is a little different from Rob Lowe’s tale of his next-door neighbors in Montecito who were trapped behind their own gate, unable to get out (RL and his sons donned their Clark Kent outfits and took care of it).  An electronic gate, I imagine.


A lone car travels south on the I-5 after the interstate was shut down because of the fire that has ravaged Sylmar overnight and into the day  November 15, 2008 [Jay L Clendenin Los Angeles Times]

The 3 pm update reports spreading winds and spreading fires, especially in OC… it can’t spread to the mobile home park, having eaten it alive already.


UPDATE, 5:26 pm Saturday

It’s not fair to laugh (and it sounds as tho people died in the mobile home park), but I did at this… sometimes you just cannot keep up with events:

The speed of the fire caught some, including Mike Goff, off guard.

Goff said his wife called him about 9 a.m. and said there was a fire in an aqueduct about a mile from their Golden Ridge home in Corona. The 50-year-old and his son went outside to water their home and noticed that a palm tree in front of the house was ablaze. When Goff climbed a 10-foot ladder to try to extinguish the burning tree, he noticed his next-door neighbor’s house was on fire.

“I didn’t even know their house was on fire,” he said.



1. marisacat - 15 November 2008

I have not looked around for late news on protest counts. LA was prepping earlier for possibly 40K. No idea if it got there, or near. I did hear of 1000 in Philadelphia, a few hours ago…

San Francisco, must be thousands. The traffic reports list streets that are filled iwth people, for a while they had closed off a freeway off ramp, so the police moved in. And it sounds like none of this is breaking up anytime soon, in SF that is.

A quick Google news search for “protests prop 8”:


Out in the most conservative of the 9 Bay Area counties, Solano, they got 75 or so to come out and protest at the City Hall. I call that very good. Solano went for Yes on 8…

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008

what a sad world Colson lives in … that is ALL love is to him, a biological joining to spawn?

3. marisacat - 15 November 2008

Well he spared us Ob’s bleak declaration that “God is in the mix” and that sex is (fuckingspareme) “sacred”.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008

There were a few hundred in Madison protesting.

5. marisacat - 15 November 2008

I admit I was very amused at this, from Colson:

cannot unite persons organically

hoot! Back when we had a big Tower Records on Columbus, a sort of wonderful mad house, a friend of mine referred to the big stacks fo records that would appear (not shelved yet) as “organic”.

I mean really, what IS organic? Mr Colson? Are you there? Are you organic yet?

6. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

About 500 in Albany (not bad, esp in dreary weather), and between 2k-8k in NYC, according to anecdotal reports. (A DK photo diary of NYC protest here and national protest round-up diary here.) 5000 in DC, according to Southern Voice.

7. marisacat - 15 November 2008

Just saw this in a local TV news channel report:

”All 30 states that have voted on gay marriage have enacted bans.”

Some of the scenarios that legal reporters and consultants draw out here for ultimate resolution of Prop 8 lead to the SCOTUS … about time I would say. And the only way to overturn those 30 states … ugh did not know it was that many.

Get God out of ”the mix”. And for his added help for Prop 8, unnecessary extra comments, right on the eve of the vote, having this come before the SCOTUS would serve Ob right.

8. marisacat - 15 November 2008

Good on them, speeches from the podium here call for a global movement.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008

A Ticket to The Hague for Dick Cheney?

Gene Burns is one of the nation’s most popular talk radio hosts. For years he has dismissed accounts of torture; America, he has said, does not torture. But last night, after watching Torturing Democracy and realizing that he had not understood how important and serious an issue torture had become, Burns abruptly changed his tune. Here’s a transcript of his remarks.

I now believe that some international human rights organization ought to open an investigation of the Bush Administration, I think focused on Vice President Dick Cheney, and attempt to bring charges against Cheney in the international court of justice at The Hague, for war crimes. Based on the manner in which we have treated prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, and the manner in which we have engaged in illegal rendition–that is, surreptitiously kidnapping prisoners and flying them to foreign countries where they could be tortured by foreign agents who do not follow the same civilized standards to which we subscribe.

I’ve always said that I’ve thought that even at Guantánamo Bay the United States was careful to stay on this side of torture. In fact, you may recall that on a couple of occasions we got into a spirited debate on this program about waterboarding, and whether waterboarding was torture. And I took the position that it was not torture, that it was simulated drowning, and that if that produced information which preserved our national security, I thought it was permissible.

And then I saw Torturing Democracy.

And I’m afraid, now that I have seen what I have seen, that I was wrong about that. It looks to me, based on this documentary, as if in fact we have engaged in behavior and practices at Guantánamo Bay, and in these illegal renditions, that are violations of the international human rights code.

And I believe that Dick Cheney is responsible. I believe that he was the agent of the United States government charged with developing the methodology used at Guantánamo Bay, supervising it for the administration, and indulging in practices which are in fact violations of human rights.

10. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Google News story blurbs are indicating thousands in Dallas, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and hundreds in places like Des Moines, Houston, Baltimore, Louisville, and Kalamazoo. Philly Inquirer story notes the source of some local money that went out to help flog 8:

Some funding for pro-Proposition-8 groups came from the Philadelphia area, with John and Josephine Templeton of Bryn Mawr contributing $1 million. Templeton, chairman of the John M. Templeton Foundation in West Conshohocken, is a major donor to conservative causes and the Republican Party.

Apparently a few Westboro Baptists showed up at the Wichita event, but no trouble was reported.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008
12. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Apparently Cheney had his arthritic knees x-rayed last weekend. Somehow I doubt he’ll be using them to beg for mercy from the Hague.

More’s the pity.

I see Isikoff and Hosenball at Newsweek weighed in on the presidential pardon stakes today: Pardon Me? Don’t Count on It.

Trickier still is how Bush will handle requests from former members of his administration. McCaleb said Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, whose prison sentence for lying in the CIA leak case was commuted by Bush last year, has not submitted a pardon request to Justice. But speculation is rampant that Libby’s allies will press Bush for one. There is also talk that Bush will be asked to grant prospective pardons for CIA officers and others who played a part in the use of “enhanced interrogation” techniques in the war on terror. According to one legal source, who asked not to be identified because of the issue’s sensitive nature, White House counsel Fred Fielding has warned applicants the president is likely to frown on “political pardons.” But another Washington lawyer, who also asked not to be identified because he represents a pardon applicant, said Bush might be more open to considering pardons for CIA officers because they were executing his policies. (There is no indication anyone involved in interrogations has sought a pardon.) “We don’t comment on the pardon process,” said White House spokesman Carlton Carroll.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008

8 – that’s what it’s gonna take, and it has to be apart from the parties and the entrenched orgs.

14. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Can’t believe America is still expected to listen to Pat Boone. Guess he managed to bow and scrape his way back into the Christianistas’ graces after that dog-collar and leather suit episode in 1997.

15. marisacat - 15 November 2008


a Minuteman showed up here… the only detial I read was that following “a fight” HE was arrested.

16. marisacat - 15 November 2008


yes i have to say anytime he fusses about anything I tnk back to that dog collar and leather period. Did nto realise it was only 10 or so years ago.

17. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Wow . . . also from wiki . . . sounds like Pat is very very very scared of gay people.

In early 2007, Boone wrote two articles claiming that the theory of evolution is an “absurd,” “nonsensical” “bankrupt false religion.” [11][12] He later wrote an editorial in the form of a fairy tale where a young Prince Charming was seduced by a dwarf, got AIDS, and then overdosed.[13]

In the 2007 Kentucky gubernatorial election, Pat Boone campaigned for incumbent Republican Ernie Fletcher with a prerecorded automated telephone message stating that the Democratic Party candidate Steve Beshear would support “every homosexual cause.” As part of the campaign, Boone asked, “Now do you want a governor who’d like Kentucky to be another San Francisco?”[14]

There’s a joke or two in there somewhere. . . .

18. marisacat - 15 November 2008

I remember reading about that recorded robo call Boone did.

He has some [sniff] issues…… as they say, LOL

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008

Pat’s a nut, and has been for a very, very long time.

20. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Tempted by Satan, no doubt, at every turn – in the tanning parlor, at the botox clinic, in the makeup chair. Ya can’t be too vigilant, can ya, Pat?

In his first film, April Love (film), he refused to give co-star/film love interest Shirley Jones an onscreen kiss, because the actress was married in real life. This position is contradicted by what Hustler Magazine claimed in its January 1984 issue to be a genuine photograph of a younger Pat Boone exposing his genitals through a hole in a cardboard box.

Wiki says he and wife are members of the Van Nuys Church of The Way.

21. marisacat - 15 November 2008

its January 1984 issue to be a genuine photograph of a younger Pat Boone exposing his genitals through a hole in a cardboard box.

Think i missed that delectable tid bit.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Uncertain times for US Religious Right (BBC)

When it comes to the seemingly never-ending Culture War in America, “we lost a good portion of it, if President Obama is a man of his word”, said the senior vice-president of the [Family Research] council’s Action arm, Connie Mackey, who is in a reflective but steely mood.


California’s electoral decision to define marriage as only valid between a man and a woman gives her hope that a majority of American voters remain socially conservative, and sympathetic towards moulding a new Republican party that is more conservative, not less.

“I always get a laugh out of the liberals in the Republican Party who think they can walk away from their base,” she said. “The [party] is only the vehicle in which the conservatives travel… You have to look at that vehicle and say, is it repairable, or do we get a new one?”

Although the Religious Right groups see no common ground with the Obama administration, that is not the perception among more moderate evangelicals close to power, during this transition period.

One of the more plugged-in members of the emerging Religious Left is Burns Strider, who was head of religious outreach for Hillary Clinton’s primary campaign.

“Instead of talking about criminalising women, let’s come together in an honest conversation, and find ways to reduce the number of abortions,” said the jovial consultant, in his office in suburban Virginia.

For the hard-core Religious Right “it creates relationships where the edges are smoother,” he added.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2008
24. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

21 – Yeah, that was quite a wikipedia moment! Did a double-take myself. Especially since the next sentence (with no para break, even) blithely continues

Among his other achievements, he hosted a TV series in the late 1950s and began writing a series of self-help books for adolescents, including Twixt Twelve and Twenty, in the early 1960s.

Guess Pat’s a bit short on web warriors, scrubbing his cyberlandscape clean.

25. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

From CBS, they’re saying arson is suspected in the Sylmar fire:

And it may have turned deadly. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa says authorities suspect several deaths in the trailer park fire. Police Chief William Bratton said Saturday that cars were found in the debris. He says police will have to wait until the ground cools to bring in search dogs.

“We have almost total devastation here in the mobile park,” Los Angeles Fire Capt. Steve Ruda said. “I can’t even read the street names because the street signs are melting.”

Earlier Saturday, CBS Radio Station KNX reported that authorities have declared the Oakridge Mobile Home Park a crime scene and dispatched arson investigators.

Villaraigosa also warned that Los Angeles residents should be prepared for rolling blackouts as the fires have ravaged the city’s electric grid.

26. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

23 – Any relation between the Adamses here??!

The Archives security chief, Mr. Adams, spoke with Elliott Adams of Veterans for Peace and offered to not press charges if they left and threatened to have arrest warrants issued for them all in 2 or 3 weeks if they did not get down immediately.

Yes indeed . . . if you all don’t get out of here RIGHT NOW, well, I just might have to, you know, call the authorities or something! But first, I think I’ll have a cup of tea. . . .

Loved this, too:

The enormous banners stayed up until about 2:30 when it started to rain, hail, and blow. Many hundreds of people stopped by. One man, who said he’d seen the banners from blocks away, said he’d come over imagining the Archives had opened an exhibit on freedom of speech.


27. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Checking out some of the deep-pocket corporate donors at the HRC list Madman posted at #11. . .







28. NYCO - 15 November 2008

In other protest news… video of Icelanders throwing eggs and toilet paper at their Parliament building in Reykjavik.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Across U.S., Big Rallies for Same-Sex Marriage

On Saturday, speakers painted the fight over Proposition 8 as another test of a movement that began with the riots at the Stonewall Inn in New York in 1969, survived the emergence of the AIDS crisis in the 1980s, and has since made enormous strides in societal acceptance, whether in television shows or in antidiscrimination laws.

“It’s not ‘Yes we can,’ ” said Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco city supervisor, referring to President-elect Barack Obama’s campaign mantra. “It’s ‘Yes we will.’ ”

Carrying handmade signs with slogans like “No More Mr. Nice Gay” and “Straights Against Hate,” big crowds filled civic centers and streets in many cities. In New York, some 4,000 people gathered at City Hall, where speakers repeatedly called same-sex marriage “the greatest civil rights battle of our generation.”

“We are not going to rest at night until every citizen in every state in this country can say, ‘This is the person I love,’ and take their hand in marriage,” said Representative Anthony D. Weiner of Brooklyn.

At a Las Vegas rally, Wanda Sykes announced she was gay and had married her partner in California in October.

The big crowds notwithstanding, it has been a tough month for gay rights. Proposition 8 was just one of three measures on same-sex marriage passed on Nov. 4, with constitutional bans also being approved in Arizona and Florida. In Arkansas, voters passed a measure aimed at barring gay men and lesbians from adopting children.

That vote was on the minds of many of the 200 people who protested Saturday in front of the State Capitol in Little Rock. One of those, Barb L’Eplattenier, 39, a university professor, said some of her gay friends with adopted children were fearful of state action if they appeared in public. “They think their families are in danger,” said Ms. L’Eplattenier, who married her partner, Sarah Scanlon, in California in July.

Very little quotage from the Yes on 8 side, and rather a funny ending.

Equality California, a major gay rights group here, indicated this week that it would work to repeal Proposition 8 if legal challenges fail.

Such dry approaches seemed a million miles away, however, from the boisterous scene in front of San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, where as many as 10,000 people gathered, carrying signs, American flags and even copies of their marriage licenses.

One of those was Lawrence Dean, 57, who had married his partner, Steven Lyle, in San Francisco in July. It was the fifth time that the couple of 19 years had held a ceremony to announce their commitment, and, of course, accept wedding gifts.

“If we keep this up, maybe I won’t have to again,” Mr. Dean said, looking out at the protest. “I have enough pots and pans.”

30. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Toilet paper! Truly, a brilliant, too-often-overlooked protest resource!

One of the jokes at the BBC the other day was: What’s the capital of Iceland? About 3 pounds fifty.

Sigh. So much trouble all over, as the fantasies of “economics” crash and burn.

Downturn Drags More Consumers Into Bankruptcy.

The number of personal bankruptcy filings jumped nearly 8 percent in October from September, after marching steadily upward for the last two years, said Mike Bickford, president of Automated Access to Court Electronic Records, a bankruptcy data and management company.

Filings totaled 108,595, surpassing 100,000 for the first time since a law that made it more difficult — and often twice as expensive — to file for bankruptcy took effect in 2005. That translated to an average of 4,936 bankruptcies filed each business day last month, up nearly 34 percent from October 2007.

A side benefit of things like toilet paper (and for some reason, I’m thinking of instant mashed potatoes, too) is that they would tend to make US urban riot gear and artillery look particularly ridiculous. Who wants to taser Mr. Whipple?

31. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Special to catnip – Good luck with the move! Still think you should consider celebrating with the Duhks a few days hence!

Special to BHHM – Nice to see ya hereabouts. Enjoyed the haikus!

Marisa, ms_x, Madman, and other food fans – I see melvin at FSZ snagged the menu for the White House munny summit: Let them eat fruitwood-smoked quail with quince gastrique.

32. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

I think some Duhks and quail flew into the mod pod. . . either that, or the ersatz mashed potatoes.

33. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Thanks, Marisa. Free birds!

34. marisacat - 15 November 2008

hmm you can pull up donors via this search page at SF Chron, by state (or zip, name, yes or no)


35. marisacat - 15 November 2008

well we weren’t all born smart in this town… a radio station is mentioning names, a San Francisco wedding planner donated to YES


36. marisacat - 15 November 2008


sorry for the delay, I was dead asleep… 😉

37. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

those traveling necks, more articulated than tubular, the mind blowing color drawn from their diet, heads that can rest on the extravagant, trailing, bouffant plumage

Lovely post. The photo really shows the reticulation! Not to mention the flaming, bouffant plumage.

Lucky, at least, are the birds of California, who can escape the wildfires via flight.

38. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

Articulation, that is.

39. marisacat - 15 November 2008

hmm I wondered if “reticulation” as the more accurate word… but then sorta flew with what fell from my brain..

I thought it was a great photograph…

…… 8)


All I can say is don’t worry that we will die of over liberality here in town, any time soon. There is 202 pages of YES donations from SFCC.

Yikes. Tons of small small small donations.

On the other hand, Colorado Springs CO had 8 pages, nearly all Focus on the Family.

40. Intermittent Bystander - 15 November 2008

No, you had it precisely right – articulation = “jointed.” Reticulation means “networked.”

Maybe the flamingo union could make an argument for the latter, but I won’t.

I’m feeling happy because I finally got my package of books and happy-birthday-get-well-soon cards off to my octagenarian uncle in Aberdeen today. And I helped take a 4-yr-old rollerskating for the first time, at an old-fashioned roller rink, last night. Nobody got hurt, and she thought the spills were hilarious. Success!

41. marisacat - 15 November 2008

This gve me a headache right off. But it sounds…. less than good. (can’t anyone “get” Rangel on unpaid taxes and taking favors, while we are at it?)

Someone who knows something abut numbers can tell me

Rangel Plans Push to Cut Top Corporate Tax Rate to 28 Percent

By Ryan J. Donmoyer and Peter Cook

Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) — New York Representative Charles Rangel said he’s revising his tax overhaul proposal to reduce U.S. corporate tax rates to 28 percent, down from the current rate of 35 percent.

Rangel, in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s “Money and Politics,” said he’s changing the “mother of all tax reform” he unveiled in September 2007 to accommodate President- elect Barack Obama’s agenda. That earlier plan would have set the corporate tax rate at 30.5 percent. Rangel is the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees tax policy.

Rangel, 78, said the reduction would be achieved by targeting special-interest provisions that favor some industries and companies over others.

“We can dramatically cut corporate taxes by cutting out the fat out of those industries that have taken an unfair advantage of the tax code,” Rangel said.

Only Japan has a higher marginal corporate tax rate among developed nations, the Treasury Department said last year. When state taxes are factored in, U.S. corporations pay about 39 percent on their last dollar of profit.

Obama has said that the effective tax rate paid by U.S. companies is much lower once they claim deductions, credits, and other adjustments to taxable income. In 2006, for example, American companies paid an average effective tax rate of about 23.7 percent, according to a study by Ernst & Young LLP. ….snip….

but reading further:

In July 2007, the Treasury Department said the U.S. could reduce the corporate tax rate to 25 percent by eliminating popular benefits such as a research credit and a deduction for making products domestically.

Rangel two months later also recommended repealing the deduction for domestic production, other incentives that primarily benefit multinational corporations, as well as tax benefits associated with a popular accounting method known as last-in, first-out.

42. marisacat - 15 November 2008


Yes I had nver seen the under structure revealed that way on their necks. Wonder if others are that way, depending.. like swans and ostriches…

43. Intermittent Bystander - 16 November 2008

a popular accounting method known as last-in, first-out

That’s migraine-worthy, right there.

As somebody else (or three or four) pointed out here recently, it’s appalling that we now have to learn this bullshit lingo in order to figure out quite how so much of the world has recently been screwed.

44. Intermittent Bystander - 16 November 2008

CANstruction 2008 (a competition for design, engineering and architectural firms to create structures out of canned and packaged food for the benefit of Daily Bread food bank, in Toronto) included “Wii Can!” and “Yes Bee Can.”

45. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Sully has a whole day and page + of photos and reader emails from various protests…


46. marisacat - 16 November 2008
47. Intermittent Bystander - 16 November 2008

Great photos and quotes at Sullivan’s joint, but the quote below reminded me of a line I saw at another blog (called The Gurgling Cod) today, Knickerbocker, please. . .


Know Hope. These things take time. But we have changed consciousness and we have begun finally to tackle the last remaining obstacle. Not our opponent’s misplaced fear and misguided panic. But our own lack of fire, our own capitulation to the forces that would eclipse and marginalize and demean us.

Know Hope. Now there’s a motto, just made for radio!

48. Intermittent Bystander - 16 November 2008

(Sorry. Sully makes me grind my teeth.)

Happy faces in a Connecticut photo album at Towleroad.

49. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Know Hope.

I agree… that slobber and slurp from Sully was reeeeelly bad. gag worthy.

And I am nto taken in by Sully on this…He ahs been too awful for too long, one, and he has been all over the map with the post vote reaction. Odd because gay marriage and thus the possiblilty of non nationals being recognised as partners and able to obtain citizenship like straights is his ONE spot of liberality.

It’s been clear since the election he wants to be part of the Great Conservative Conversation that rebuilds a conservative movement and he wanted to be sure he did not offend anyone (well that did nto stop him jumping on blacks and ”Palin aroused evangelicals” – for him there is no other kind – before the vote was even in) and thus minimise his position as The Gay Conservative Vote.

Ob of course is the Saint of Hope. For Sully…

or whatever it is he thinks he is.

I nearly posted one of his really irritating fantabulous slobbers the other day.. in reference to Derbyshire (a nasty racist) over at The Corner, Sully let off with some slop that any “born Englishman” opposes torture.

Ha! Such bullscheisse.

50. Intermittent Bystander - 16 November 2008

He’s a born Englishman and inflicts it, via blog vocalizations, routinely.

51. marisacat - 16 November 2008

I snagged this Stratfor link from Instapundit. Gah. I have not read Stratfor in years but iirc they were conservative.

The weapons seized at the Gonzalez Duran safe house included more than 500 firearms, a half-million rounds of ammunition and 150 grenades. The cache also included a LAW rocket, two grenade launchers and a small amount of explosives. Along with the scores of assorted assault rifles, grenades and a handful of gaudy gold-plated pistols were some weapons that require a bit more examination: namely, the 14 Fabrique Nationale (FN) P90 personal defense weapons and the seven Barrett .50-caliber sniper rifles contained in the seizure.

Maybe this is more than the usual but I cannot think it is anything the least bit new.

Instapundit linked to it iwth this advisory:

MEXICO: Worrying Signs from Border Raids, according to Stratfor.

I hope that those troops we’ll soon be able to bring back from Iraq won’t have to put their counterinsurgency and urban-warfare skills to work closer to home . . .

Do we have to have a border war? I mean, a worse one than we have NOW.

52. marisacat - 16 November 2008

LAT front page..

From Santa Barbara to Orange County, hundreds of homes burn and thousands of people are evacuated. A mobile home park in Sylmar appears to lose the highest number of housing units in L.A. history.

I was hunting around to see if Mike Davis had surfaced to say anything yet about the fires…but it usually takes him about 10 days.. I did land on this essay of his, from 2003 on our classic illnesses and the Recall of 2003….

[T]he Terminator, in fact, has a long history of ideological commitment which, for tactical reasons, his campaign-minders want to downplay. Most striking has been his extensive involvement in the nativist crusades to deny health care and education to undocumented immigrants, and to make English the exclusive official language. The poor boy from the Alpine boondocks was a key endorser of anti-immigrant Proposition 187 in 1994, and, even more sinisterly, a longtime board member of U.S. English, a national organization with notorious ties to men in white hoods.

But it would be a mistake, in any case, to think that Arnie is the actual star of his latest and most lavish film. As all the punters in Sacramento have pointed out, the real title should be: “Return from the Grave: Wilson Part Three.” The ex-governor is the specter haunting the recall.

His veteran staff (including George Gorton who ran Boris Yeltsin’s reelection) control all the important strings moving Schwarzenegger, while Wilson himself drives a sales campaign which has successfully recruited most of the billionaires in the state. As a result, the inner circle of Schwarzenegger’s “populist” crusade looks like a Bohemia Grove toga party: Donald Bren, George Schultz, David Murdock, Warren Buffett, [you have to love it! everybody wants Buffett to hitch his star to them! -Mcat] and so on.

Wilson, of course, is an anathema to Latinos, Blacks and the labor movement. Supposedly California had done with his racist divisiveness when voters in 1998 rejected his protégé, attorney general Dan Lungren, and then, last year, when they voted down another wealthy Wilson clone. So who forgot the silver stake? ::snip::

Get a new star, run a new campaign.

53. marisacat - 16 November 2008

SF Chron has yet another profile of how people voted on 8… along the way is this.

“It was interesting to me that on the same day at the same polling places, African Americans who voted overwhelmingly for President-elect Obama also voted overwhelmingly for Prop. 8,” San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer, who is white, said at a gathering of the nation’s Catholic bishops last week, according to the Chicago Tribune. “We had been told repeatedly for months that it was a civil rights issue. … (Instead), they saw it as we had presented it – as traditional marriage.”

54. wu ming - 16 November 2008

mike davis’ ecology of fear was brilliant on fires and socal. i read it this summer on a long train ride, it makes the development and planning of LA (and by extension, california) all the more tragic for being an intentional, willful product of years of decisions rather than some bizarre accident, IMO.

re. the last thread, yes, we’re all in taipei now, the wife kid and i. very strange to be out of the country for this election, people are so into taiwanese politics here that it felt like the equivalent of a canadian election reported in the states. following things online, but here it’s like watching through the wrong end of a telescope. ditto for the wonderful protests this weekend, which hopefully will grow into something more than an occasional march. i really want to see that damn prop erased from the constitution, one way or another, and i really want to see it rejected by voters, the way we’ve done with the anti-abortion trojan horses.

to be fair, it’s been a pretty eventful month for taiwanese politics, what with a chinese emissary visiting (and police state efforts being taken to prevent him from – horror of horrors – seeing a tibetan flag or taiwanese independence protesters) and the ruling party (chiang’s old party, still running strong) jailing several opposition leaders (including the recently former president) in advance of actual charges while they’re being investigated for corruption (which is pretty much universally common) “so that they won’t mess with the evidence.”

as the economy really starts to pinch, it should be interesting to see which fractures get hot, here and in the states.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

There is something really special about that crowd on a corner (in a pic at Sully’s) in Grand Forks, ND. It CANNOT be easy to stand out like that in ND. Even better is the response the young woman reports.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Bans on gay marriage, adoption provoke outcry
Protests around U.S. vilify votes in 4 states

More than 200 people turned out for a Milwaukee rally calling for marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples, one of many staged across the nation Saturday in response to same-sex marriage and adoption bans that passed in four states this month.

“We have started a new era with the election of a new president and the changes in the state Legislature,” said Patrick Flaherty, one of the lead organizers of the event, which included a short march from Milwaukee’s City Hall to Red Arrow Park.

“These (laws) are hangovers from the Bush era, and we have the power to start undoing the damage,” he said.

On Nov. 4, gay marriage bans passed in California, Arizona and Florida, and Arkansas voters approved a measure banning unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents, a measure supporters said was aimed at barring gay and lesbian applicants.

Wisconsin passed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in 2006.

Rally organizers here did not call Saturday for any specific remedies. But Flaherty said afterward that gay-rights advocates are likely to renew their push for domestic partner benefits in Wisconsin in the coming Legislative session.

“Even short of repealing the amendment, there are things we can do to help gay families take care of each other,” said Flaherty, who estimated that three-fourths of gay and lesbian couples do not have access to domestic partner benefits in Wisconsin.

“The country is entering hard times, times when we fall back on family. But this is a special challenge for (gay) families in Wisconsin,” he said, “because we have no legal status.”

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Ejected at ’04 Convention, a Protester Gets $55,000

During President Bush’s acceptance speech in Madison Square Garden at the 2004 Republican National Convention, a San Francisco woman briefly interrupted the proceedings by standing on a chair and unfurling a banner that accused the president of lying.

That protest set into motion a chain of events that has ended in one of the more unusual legal resolutions connected to the four days of the convention, during which more than 1,800 demonstrators and bystanders were arrested, most of them in street protests. Hundreds of them subsequently sued the city, saying they had been arrested unlawfully or detained in holding cells without access to lawyers.

As of September, the city had paid about $1.5 million to settle 142 lawsuits arising out of the convention. The payout total rose by $55,000 on Friday, when the San Francisco woman, June Brashares, 44, an events planner, peace advocate and a member of the protest group Code Pink, reached a settlement in a lawsuit in which she said she had been injured while being ejected from the Garden and had been falsely prosecuted.

But unlike the other cases, which were settled after allegations of misconduct by city police officers or other city employees, the defendants in the Brashares case were not under the city’s control. They were two convention volunteers from California, a Republican group in California and the Republican National Committee.

Yet the city’s Law Department represented them anyway because of an indemnification agreement under which the city assumes the cost of defending any lawsuit arising from the 2004 convention that names the Republican National Committee.

“This was a reasonable settlement based on the facts of the case,” Connie Pankratz, a spokeswoman for the Law Department, said on Friday. Ms. Pankratz said she knew of no other convention-related case in which the Law Department is defending only people or groups outside New York City’s control.

The Law Department could not say on Saturday which city agencies or officials signed the deal, but Ms. Pankratz confirmed that it was reached as part of negotiations to bring the convention to New York. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has said business generated by the convention brought the city hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

No such agreement on legal costs was in place for this year’s Republican National Convention in St. Paul — where police officers used tear gas and fired rubber bullets at demonstrators, arresting about 800 people.

Instead, St. Paul officials required that the Republican host committee buy an insurance policy covering up to $10 million in damages for civil rights violations by the police, to avoid saddling taxpayers with legal costs, the St. Paul city attorney said in September.

Ms. Brashares’s role in the convention litigation began as she and her banner — reading “Bush Lies People Die” — were swiftly ushered from Madison Square Garden by the two volunteers, who were assigned to maintain order as “floor whips” for the California delegation. She was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, assault and harassment after the two men, Shaun Flanigan and John Peschong, said she injured them while being dragged from the hall.

A Manhattan jury rejected those claims about a year later, after watching news videotapes that undercut part of the prosecution’s case. Ms. Brashares then filed a civil lawsuit in State Supreme Court against Mr. Flanigan and Mr. Peschong, saying they had torn a ligament in her finger while removing her and had made false statements.

The Republican National Committee and the California State Republican Committee were also named because Mr. Flanigan and Mr. Peschong had been acting in the official capacity of those organizations, she said in her suit.

“In the course of removing plaintiff, defendants Peschong and Flanigan maliciously beat, pushed, grabbed and otherwise violently battered plaintiff with the intent of causing her injury,” stated a complaint filed by Jonathan C. Moore, a lawyer for Ms. Brashares. In an interview, Mr. Moore said Ms. Brashares felt vindicated by the settlement.

“She’s been compensated for having to undergo a trial when she knew she was not guilty,” he said. “It’s unfortunate that the city felt they had to indemnify these folks.”

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Our local rag did it’s own version of the “buying up guns” story a day or two ago. From a local blogger (and local attorney):

At retail stores like Target and Kohl’s, sales are off and the forecasters are lowering their expectations for the holiday season in the wake of the Bush Recession. But, apparently, it’s not because they lack money because, at gun shops throughout the state, the bitter are in lines around the block to buy more guns to cling to. I guess happiness continues to be a warm gun.

The election of Barack Obama has reportedly set off a gun-buying frenzy among the vulnerable portion of the population made jittery by the apocalyptic screechings of their pretend friends on mainstream radio. Wing-nut Chicken Littles have been predicting for months all manner of things falling from the sky if Obama succeeded at his devious campaign to paint the White House black, install socialism, suspend the Constitution and rule by dictatorship…I mean, you can see why people might be a little confused, wandering the streets until they find themselves draining what’s left of their 401(k) and heading for the gun shop.

Another thing about the guy with the handful of handguns – why is he spending hundreds of dollars on guns he thinks the dreaded Obama Community Organizers are going to take from him? Isn’t that like throwing money away? That’s not going to be a problem for the people with the big people-killing assault weapons. You assume they are just going to barricade themselves and go all David Koresh on the evil government goons you just know Obama will cast under his Messiah-like spell.

Maybe that was the NRA’s plan all along. They weren’t really interested in who won the election and didn’t believe all the nonsense they were throwing around about Obama. But they did see an opportunity. The NRA, you see, which pretends to represent gun owners is really run by and for gun manufacturers. It wouldn’t be beyond them to play up the Fear of an Obama presidency to accomplish a little sales boomlet after the fact. Now, there are thousands more handguns out there, ready to be used in the heat of passion or by accident on family members, lovers and friends. For the NRA and its many apologists, the potential for more death and violence means a good day. Mission accomplished.

59. NYCO - 16 November 2008

The election of Barack Obama has reportedly set off a gun-buying frenzy among the vulnerable portion of the population made jittery by the apocalyptic screechings of their pretend friends on mainstream radio.

“Reportedly.” I’d like these reporters to actually show us some real figures on recent gun purchases, though. This sounds as anecdotal as “Ah heered that Barack Osama is a Mooslim.”

60. NYCO - 16 November 2008

Today’s hoot is Thomas Friedman on the economy.

Now is when we need a president who has the skill, the vision and the courage to cut through this cacophony, pull us together as one nation and inspire and enable us to do the one thing we can and must do right now:

Go shopping.


Yes, that may mean rescuing some bankers who don’t deserve rescuing, while also helping prudent bankers who were doing the right things. And, yes, that may mean rescuing reckless home buyers who never should have taken out mortgages and now can’t pay them back, while not aiding people who saved prudently and are still meeting their mortgage payments.

No, it’s not fair. But fairness is not on the menu anymore. We will deal with that later. Right now we need to throw everything we can at this problem to make sure this recession doesn’t spiral down into a depression. This is no time for half-measures.

Friedman goes on to blather why his exhortation to “go shopping” is not like Bush’s in 2001.

What an irrelevant tool he is.

My shopping advice to people — without being overly Chicken Little about it — is to buy extra staples and dry goods when doing ordinary grocery shopping – not too much — because there is somewhat of a possibility that all this chaos on Wall Street is now screwing with international trade. People need to stop paying attention to the Dow and start paying attention to more obscure things like the Baltic Dry Index, which is now at a historic low. The basic problem is that letters of credit, which make the international goods shipping world go round, are not being issued by banks, leaving goods stuck in ports around the world. Observers are divided on the significance of this — if it’s just something catching up from problems over the summer, or a new trend that will soon spread to global trade in foodstuffs and household goods.
This post on the subject is worth reading for a quick gloss.

61. NYCO - 16 November 2008
62. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

oh, I think they’re anecdotal too … it’s an easy story and reporters are nothing if not lazy.

63. NYCO - 16 November 2008

Black-on-black anti-gay hate crime (a murder) in my town.


Sad. (The man’s family had fully accepted his transvestite lifestyle and referred to him as “she”)

I don’t recall anything like this happening here before, but with the amount of guns on the street and casual shootings I suppose it was inevitable. I think this would be this city’s first “official” gay-related hate-murder, if they prosecute it that way.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

More winger Catholic silliness:

It’s been awhile since I’ve checked in with local professor and crankpot John McAdams to see what he’s upset about. Today’s outrage: t-shirts and baggy sweatpants with college logos.

“It’s disgraceful and appalling,” said Boston College graduate C.J. Doyle, who runs the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts. “This is just one more example of the university’s callous contempt for Catholic sensibilities and its complete indifference to what remains of its Catholic identity.”

65. marisacat - 16 November 2008


The thread to the report on the killing is interesting…seems the family of the shooter is well known.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Henry Kissinger praised Hillary Clinton as an “outstanding” choice at a summit in India

“I believe it would be an outstanding appointment. If it is true, it shows a number of things, including great courage on the part of the President-Elect. To appoint a very strong personality into a prominent cabinet position requires a great deal of courage.”

Kissinger said that “Obama was my second choice in the election. But at the same time, I want to stress that this is the moment for non-partisanship in America. There are a number of challenges that must be dealt with…I believe that the United States faces a moment of enormous complexity, but also a moment of extraordinary opportunity.”

Ugh. small club of monsters.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008
68. marisacat - 16 November 2008

hmm sounds like kos is in a peckish small prickish mood. How rare.

Tapper links to the pertinent post and comment:

Kos Dances on the Nader Campaign’s Grave

November 16, 2008 10:41 AM

Kos dismisses Ralph Nader’s 2008 campaign as historically irrelevant and then after a reader protests, says:

“Anyone who sails with the Nader crowd deserves nothing more than ridicule. F— Ralph Nader, and f— his supporters. If the past eight years hasn’t smacked any sense into their addled brains, then nothing will. This site caters to the reality-based community. No one else need apply.”

– jpt

November 16, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (22)

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

68 – can’t wait for the wailing when Obama fucks them over.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008
71. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

American Apartheid

Although Proposition 8 passed by only a few percentage points, it passed, none-the-less, in one of the most progressive states in the union and one that put Obama in the Presidency. California voted to deny several million of its own citizens full civil rights to ‘marriage.’

Can anyone miss the irony that Christian Churches would spend roughly 40 million dollars on a hate bill, when tens of thousands of their followers live in poverty, are homeless, and hungry; or that the pious Catholic Church has paid out roughly one billion dollars to victims of priest pedophilia; or that the Mormon cult, while publicly disavowing polygamy and child marriage, privately encourages its extremist settlements throughout the west because cheap cult labor and government contracts make its tithe laws quite lucrative?

The claim that “This is not a political issue, it is a moral issue about which God has spoken clearly” is patently false and ridiculous . Quite aside from the magical thinking that ‘God’ has spoken, initiatives such as Proposition 8 are ‘socio/religious bigotry in violation of Federal law and as such have already been overturned by California’s Supreme Court. To amend a foundation constitution to specifically discriminate against and deny the freedom of contractual choice to any citizen is profoundly anti-American and an a grave offence to Democracy.

Most disturbing is President Elect, Barack Obama, who has stated that he personally considers marriage to be between a man and woman, and supports civil unions that confer comparable rights rather than gay marriage. Obama’s equivocation is nothing less than cynical in that he is a Harvard trained Constitutional lawyer and knows precisely that ’comparable rights’ are not ‘equal rights.’

72. marisacat - 16 November 2008


Obama’s equivocation

Carve it stone. We will see a lot of it.

I just caught the radio address and heard him refer, with tidy equivocation, to the good-for-nothing bullshit that congress put in place months ago to help homeowners. A version of (no, really) 1-800-555-HOPE. From everything i read it hardly ever answered and mostly it was impossible to find your lender because of the bundling of mortgages, as they became exotic instruments, and were passed along.

I found his comments on MTV, 3 days before voting, on sex, marriage, god (“god is in the mix”), SSM and prop 8 to be AWFUL. I posted them several times.

I don’t think Obama or Carter (“Jesus does not want all of these abortions”), nor Palin (all that drip abut opening doors for her, Gawd is not a gallant), has the slightest clue what they are talking about.

Hiding behind the mythical robes of God and Jesus.


Protesters outside the Mormon church here in SF… apparently getting honks and waves from the passersby. Not too surprising here…

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

equivication is the only political strategy the donks use.

74. marisacat - 16 November 2008

That’s true…

75. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Too funny.. roaming the pages of the NYT.. I see Ian Schrager has married. LOL

No longer merely a hotelier now he constructs buildings.

[S]he is the daughter of Mirjana Garcia and Salvador Garcia of Chicago. The bride’s father is the president of Enviroplus, a contractor in Evanston, Ill., specializing in the removal of hazardous materials.

Mr. Schrager, 62, is the chairman and chief executive of the New York real estate company bearing his name. The company is an owner of the Gramercy Park Hotel and is working with Marriott International on a new hotel chain called Edition. He created Studio 54 with Steve Rubell, who died in 1989. ::snip::

“Only in America”, as they say… 😉

76. Arcturus - 16 November 2008

Dan Bacher, Is Schwarzenegger Trading Klamath Dam Removal for the Destruction of the Delta?

Echoing my concerns that Schwarzenegger is trying to link Klamath Dam removal to the building of new dams in the Central Valley, Evans and Catlett [of Friends of the River] noted that California will likely rely on a proposed water bond to be approved by the voters in 2009 to provide the $250 million for river restoration outlined in the agreement.

“Conservationists will oppose this water bond if it also includes billions of dollars to build new or enlarge existing dams in California,” they stated. “Coupled with the fact that voters may be leery of approving a multi-billion bond as the state economy continues to melt down, the prospect of the state to meet its obligation under the agreement seems dubious.”

77. Arcturus - 16 November 2008

Inability to comply with water quality standards may prove to be the Achilles Heal which sinks PacifiCorp’s drive to relicense four of its five Klamath River Dams and turn a fifth dam over to the Bureau of Reclamation or Upper Basin Irrigation Interests. Some Klamath commentators – including KlamBlog – believe [Warren Buffet’s] PacifiCorp is not really interested in relicensing the dams but is projecting a pro-relicensing stance so that it can get the taxpayers to pay for decommissioning its Klamath Hydroelectric Project. If the dams and powerhouses can not be relicensed because they can’t meet water quality standards – or because meeting those standards would be too expensive – PacifiCorp might be on the hook for the cost of removing them. KlamBlog

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

You’ve come a long way baby!:

“I showed her the closets. I showed her all the things that women are interested in.” — First Lady Laura Bush

79. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Some Klamath commentators – including KlamBlog – believe [Warren Buffet’s] PacifiCorp is not really interested in relicensing the dams but is projecting a pro-relicensing stance so that it can get the taxpayers to pay for decommissioning its Klamath Hydroelectric Project.

I would be inclined to go with lol that one

80. marisacat - 16 November 2008


MO seems to have accepted the box they crafted for her. LOL I did not much care for her unscripted as it happens, so ……….

My favorite, that was dropped into the round file pretty quickly, was that rebates get spent on 600 dollar earrings and are then gone.

LOL… she really did say it too. Out on the stump. I guess at that time their chit chat between them was anti rebates. Who knows.

81. NYCO - 16 November 2008

65. The one lesson this crime drives home… is that if guns and violence were as common on the streets of suburbs and small towns as they are in the ghetto, you can be quite sure that more “out” gay people (of all colors and classes) would be getting shot to death by homophobes. It’s just that on the streets, there are more guns and less impulse control.

82. marisacat - 16 November 2008

The most famous case here, Gwen Arajo (I might be a bit off on the spelling last name) she was beaten to death, by 3 boys her age. She was still in HS over in the East Bay.

Will find a link, hers is an amazing story.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

79 – but I thought he was the Saint of Omaha, helping Teh One bring peace, love and understanding to the world?!?!

I’m soooooo confused!

81 – in the ‘burbs the guns are used on spouses, in-laws and bosses.

84. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Gwen (Edward) Araujo

Location: Newark, California

Cause of Death: Beaten to death, allegedly by four ex-classmates.

Date of Death: October 3, 2002

Source: San Francisco Chronicle, October 17, 2002

Gwen Araujo was a 17 year old who had been living in their preferred gender role for approximately a year and a half. During a house party, she was revealed to have been more a male. After this revelation, at least three individuals allegedly beat her, dragged her into a garage, and strangled her, before disposing of her body in a remote location 150 miles away.

Its from a short page of remembrances of similar killings.


85. marisacat - 16 November 2008


ugh our triple killing two days ago. In a hi tech office park. He shot the CEO, another officer and the head of HR.

86. Arcturus - 16 November 2008
87. marisacat - 16 November 2008

Thanks for the Araujo links Arcturus… I just took the first thing google spit up…

88. NYCO - 16 November 2008

To lighten things up with something completely frivolous and off topic: I found out today that my kitty is a finalist in the Catster “Coolest Kitty” photo contest. (Her name’s Lily.)

89. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008
90. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Senators say Clinton a good choice for State

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A top Republican senator said on Sunday U.S. President-elect Barack Obama would be making a good choice if he selected Sen. Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State.

Sen. Jon Kyl, the second ranking Republican in the Senate, said he could not predict that Clinton would win Senate confirmation, but told Fox News Sunday: “I think it would be a good choice, at least superficially.”

“It seems to me she’s got the experience. She’s got the temperament for it. I think she would be well received around the world.”

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008
92. marisacat - 16 November 2008

I registered so I could vote for Lily… she is so lovely… contemplative..

I see they offer the url for the pic, so I will post her picture.

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Rather’s Lawsuit Shows Role of G.O.P. in Inquiry

When Dan Rather filed suit against CBS 14 months ago — claiming, among other things, that his former employer had commissioned a politically biased investigation into his work on a “60 Minutes” segment about President Bush’s National Guard service — the network predicted the quick and favorable dismissal of the case, which it derided as “old news.”

So far, Mr. Rather has spent more than $2 million of his own money on the suit. And according to documents filed recently in court, he may be getting something for his money.

Using tools unavailable to him as a reporter — including the power of subpoena and the threat of punishment against witnesses who lie under oath — he has unearthed evidence that would seem to support his assertion that CBS intended its investigation, at least in part, to quell Republican criticism of the network.

Among the materials that money has shaken free for Mr. Rather are internal CBS memorandums turned over to his lawyers, showing that network executives used Republican operatives to vet the names of potential members of a panel that had been billed as independent and charged with investigating the “60 Minutes” segment.

94. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Photos: Marching Against Racism In Rural New Jersey By Stanley W. Rogouski

300 people showing up for a march against racism in New York City would not be an impressive turnout. But in Hardwick New Jersey, which has only about 1500 people, it’s a fifth of the population.

60 miles to the east in Union or Essex County New Jersey, a banner celebrating the victory of Barack Obama wouldn’t have drawn very much attention. But in rural Warren County, where only 62% of the people voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, it stood out.

On election night 2008, Gary Grewal, an Indian immigrant, his wife Alina, a Cuban American, and their 8 year old daughter joined in the national euphoria celebrateding Obama’s victory. They took a bedsheet, wrote President Obama Victory ’08, and posted in on their front lawn.

The next morning they woke to a horrifying sight. Someone had tied the homemade banner to two pieces of wood, fashioned it into a six foot cross, and burned it on Grewal’s front lawn.

95. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Allegations of Police Torture of Activists and Other Abuses Raised During Republican National Convention

At a Press Conference Thursday, November 13th, at the Capitol Building in St Paul, Minnesota activists involved in the protests during the Republican National Convention, raised the issue of abuses of power by the local police. This includes the horrifying allegation of police actually torturing protesters in the Ramsey County Jail in St Paul. Also included was allegations and stories of systemic abuse of police power and authority from activists, street medics and others, in the streets of St Paul and Minneapolis before, during and after the 2008 Republican National Convention.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Troops home…Eventually!? By Cindy Sheehan

I confess, I have become cynical about the political process since I witnessed little (if any) progress towards peace and economic justice after the Democrats regained some power in 2006. I have little hope that Emperor-Elect Obama will voluntarily give up any imperial power or reduce the size of the US Empire as he has already promised to increase US presence in Afghanistan and Super-Duper-Size our military to levels never seen before and can only be used for spreading corporate-imperialism. I hope I am wrong but I am not going to drink the blue flavored Kool-Aid anymore than I would drink the Red flavored Kool-Aid and give Obama a free pass because he chooses to put a (D) behind his name instead of the dreaded (R).

I am willing to give an Obama regime the chance to prove me wrong but I do not think that the movements that put him in power should relax. Obama has proven to be resistant to constituent pressure as he voted to give telecom companies and BushCo immunity from prosecution for smashing the 4th Amendment to bits and pieces as he voted to and pressured other people to vote for the bankster bailouts which has proven to be disastrous. How can anyone who has been alive the last 8 years, but especially a Constitutional attorney/professor vote to give billions (really trillions) of dollars to a corrupt administration that has proven to be criminally inept and callous in every way?

In my refusal to be coma-tized by Obama, whom I have met several times and think he is very smart and very likable (like some people think about George), I have been confronted by friends and strangers alike who do not want facts pointed out to them, just like Republican war hawks and troop “supporters” do not want the facts that Dick and George dodged Vietnam and reduced Veteran’s benefits pointed out to them.

Recently, I was on a cable access show here in San Francisco and I was talking about the FISA abomination and pointed out the “pesky” fact that Obama voted for it and a very nice woman who had already voted for me in early voting called and said: “I don’t believe that Obama would vote to take away our rights!” I told her that it was a fact that I did not pull out of thin air and she said: “Then he must have had a good reason.” Where have our critical thinking skills gone? It is human nature to be partisan for your political party, but to give up your brains and your rights to either party is just plain wrong.

After election day, I received an email from a person who said that he “liked” me and would have voted for me, if I didn’t lie about Obama and his funding. He said: “the reason that he has so much money is that WE GAVE IT TO HIM!” I haven’t heard from him since I sent him this link that shows how much corporate money Obama also took.

The most gut wrenching emails I have received are from friends who have literally been in the ditches with me saying things like: “Obama has to send more troops to Afghanistan to catch Osama bin Laden, that’s a no brainer.” Well, I guess I have no brains, because in the first place, has it been established that bin Laden is even in Afghanistan and secondly, do we need two combat brigades in Afghanistan to catch one very tall man with failing kidneys? Afghanistan is now our second longest military misadventure and was the downfall of the USSR’s empire. Iraq, Afghanistan and our warfare state may be the downfall of ours if Obama continues the Bush trajectory and his war OF terror. Do not get me wrong, I believe our empire should crumble, but if we do it voluntarily, we may retain some dignity. Additonally, when the empire crumbles, it will crumble on We the People and the ones who have been making immoral profits are already scampering away to places like Dubai (Halliburton after it has soaked US taxpayers for over 20 billion) to preserve their ill-gotten gains.

I was at the No on 8 Protest at City Hall yesterday when a participant and I got into a discussion about civil rights. He said that we reclaimed them on November 4th when Obama (who does not support same gender marriage) was elected. I said, “How so, Obama voted to reauthorize the USA PATRIOT ACT.” The young man brilliantly retorted with: “No, he didn’t.” I replied with: “He most certainly did and what did you think of him voting for the FISA Modernization Act?” At which point, the man turned around and walked away. That’s the rabid Republican way and the new rabid Obama-ite way. If a fact doesn’t conform to your worldview, then walk away from it and the un-truth fairy will hopefully scrub it from your mind with a wave of her magic wand.

Obama’s statements on Iraq are exactly the same as Bush’s. He will bring the troops home in a responsible manner when the Generals on the ground tell him it is safe to do so. However, the Iraqi Cabinet has now agreed to the Status of Force Agreement (SOFA) that keeps US troops in Iraq until 2011. I do not think the Parliament or the people of Iraq will agree to this SOFA, as one Bagdad resident put it: “We don’t want an agreement with America. We don’t want an agreement with Israel… We fully and totally reject this security pact.” The Iraqi people will not lie down and accept this as US citizens have. It is unconscionable to think that our forces will be under Iraqi authority, but to also think that we will be infecting that unfortunate nation for another three years after we never should have gone in there in the first place.

The anti-war movement must stick to its “Troops home immediately” mantra and not be lulled into complacency by slick marketing and empty rhetoric. We never accepted the “Troops home eventually” crap and we must not accept it now.

Red, Blue, Green or Purple, we should not allow ourselves to be rocked back to sleep and re-abdicate our responsibilities to our Republic or to humanity. We are going to go through some very rocky economic times before we come out the other end.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

Supreme Court Upholds Bill Of Rights In 5-4 Decision

“After carefully considering the relevance of the 10 inviolable rights that comprise the ideological foundation on which our nation is built, the court finds that these basic freedoms remain important for the time being, and should not be overturned,” read the majority opinion authored by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who cast the tie-breaking vote. “Until such time as it can be definitively proven that citizens no longer require the protections provided by the Bill of Rights, it shall remain the principal legal guidance for the United States of America.” The Supreme Court’s latest decision comes on the heels of last month’s 6-3 ruling to abolish the pursuit of happiness from the three inalienable rights guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence.

98. marisacat - 16 November 2008


hmm I have no idea what is coming.. there certainly will be people who refuse to hear what is said, what votes are cast, etc. Just like the ones Cindy encountered.

However, I caught 2 hours of call in on KGO last night.. the host a conservative Democrat (social semi-liberal, pro war, Iraq “mismanaged”, huge supporter of Israel, etc) first supported Hillary then did switch over pretty seamlessly… and he was shocked at how vehement people were who called in, absolutely intent that Obama must fulfill his ”promises” and cut back on war, not spread the wars (he never promised that one) etc., etc. I was surprised frankly. It was older whites, male and female, 50s 60s 70s.

You could hear the core of what may be a [good or bad] rising populism. Cut back on foreign involvemnt, attend to America (and if you don’t god damn you, under the breath]. etc. Many differnt ways of saying “sick of the wars, STOP IT NOW”.

The host tried over and over to make his points (the “subject” was how tough foreign affairs are going to be for Obama on top of everything else)… because he is pretty rabid anti islamofascism or whatever winger phraseology he uses… but they jsut kept coming at him.

But who knows. Dust to dust.

99. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2008

98 – you see little glimmers. So much money is wasted on war and protecting corporate business plans. Some people are starting to get it.

100. marisacat - 16 November 2008

He’s very irritating on 60 Minutes, is all I can say.

Good ideas come from FDR AND Reagan. Next go round he remembered to add Lincoln.

hey go for it.

101. marisacat - 17 November 2008

new thread…


………… 8) ……….

102. cad - 17 November 2008

Little Boy Koz is trying out for post of Brown Shirt for the coming purge. He’s such a punk, clearly getting off on creating as much hate as possible. He was slapped down by quite a few Kossacks, but Kos is such a sociopath…And he must know that President Obama will have nothing to do with the boy-prince of Chevron.

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