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when not inflated… 28 November 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Yesterday, Macy’s T’Giving Day parade, NYC [AP]

probably hangs out at blogs, irritating people and shaking his socks… LOL having nothing of substance to shake!

And yes, now they say, the hotel sieges are over.  BBC… [not placing any bets.]

Head of Indian commandos says siege at Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai is now over, after three days of violence which left at least 144 dead.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

We can all be relieved… the tops, incoming and outgoing, of Unilever were saved, from the private dining room at the Taj, where they were barricaded. Whew!

Patrick Cescau, the Frenchman who is chief executive of the food and soap combine, and his successor, Paul Polman, of the Netherlands, were among the guests at a formal dinner party organised by Hindustan Unilever, the European giant’s Indian subsidiary.

The intimate gathering was an assemblage of present and future power at a company that is a titan of Western capitalism, making world-famous brands such as Omo detergent, Dove soap and Ben & Jerry’s ice cream. The chief and the chief-in-waiting were accompanied by another Unilever board member, Harish Manwani, who is also chairman of Hindustan Unilever. He was joined by Nitin Paranjpe, chief executive of the local company.

It’ll take weeks to sort this not so merry go round out…



1. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Then again… from the Guardian:

British officials last night played down the possibility that Britons were involved in the attacks on Mumbai.

India’s first minister was reported to have claimed that two of the arrested gunmen were British-born Pakistanis, and UK authorities quickly said they were investigating the reports.

But the Foreign Office later said that the deputy high commissioner in Mumbai had talked to Indian authorities, who said there was no evidence that any of the terrorists, shot or detained, were British.

A spokesman said: “We have spoken to Indian authorities at a high level, and they have said that there is no evidence that any of the terrorists either captured or dead are British.”

He added that the Indian chief minister had “said no such thing privately or publicly”, despite reports to the contrary.

Intelligence sources also said that they had seen nothing to suggest that the claim, attributed to the chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh, was correct.

Last night reports in Britain claimed that security forces in India had found BlackBerry handheld devices which allowed the terrorists to monitor international news websites.

An officer from the Indian special forces units who were in action during a siege of Mumbai’s Jewish centre had reportedly said that the devices had contained “content from the English media”.

Elsewhere, reports suggested that up to seven of the attackers could have been British and that they had links with Yorkshire.

However, speculation linking the attackers with Bradford, West Yorkshire, was rejected by the Leeds-based Counter Terrorism Unit. ::snip::

2. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Crooked Still, Ecstasy.

oh when shall i see jesus and reign with him above
and from the flowing fountain drink everlasting love

oh had i wings i would fly away and be at rest
and i’d praise god in his bright abode

whene’er you meet with troubles and trials on your way
cast all your cares on jesus and don’t forget to pray

oh had i wings i would fly away and be at rest
and i’d praise god in his bright abode

gird on the gospel armor of faith and hope and love
and when the combat’s ended he’ll carry you above

oh had i wings i would fly away and be at rest
and i’d praise god in his bright abode

oh, do not be discouraged for jesus is your friend
and if you lack for knowledge he’ll not refuse to lend

oh had i wings i would fly away and be at rest
and i’d praise god in his bright abode

3. marisacat - 28 November 2008


[M]r. Dhanur flipped his boat light toward the men, and Kashinath Patil, a 72-year-old harbor official on duty nearby, asked the men what they were doing.

“I said: ‘Where are you going? What’s in your bags?’ “ Mr. Patil recalled. “They said: ‘We don’t want any attention. Don’t bother us.’ “

Thus began a crucial phase of one of the deadliest terrorist assaults in Indian history, one that seemed from the start to be coordinated meticulously to cause maximum fear and chaos.

The details are still fragmentary; Indian officials are saying little publicly. But from interviews with witnesses and survivors, it seems clear that the men on the boat were joining a larger terrorist force, which included some attackers who, unconfirmed local news reports say, had embedded themselves in Mumbai days before the attacks. Their synchronized assaults suggested a high level of training and preparation. ::snip::

4. marisacat - 28 November 2008

[O]ne reason for the nervousness is that it seems likely that not nearly all the terrorists were caught or killed — and so far the whereabouts of the rest are a mystery.

At least eight were confirmed dead on Friday, although more might be found as soldiers and the police combed through the two hotels. Security officials declared that they had taken control of the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower on Saturday morning, killing three militants.

Estimates of the number of attackers have ranged from 20 to 40, with the number depending to a considerable extent on the number of boats involved. As security forces seek to reconstruct how the gunmen managed to inflict so much carnage so quickly, they have been turning their attention to how so many assailants managed to reach the heart of Mumbai undetected and with such a large collection of guns, ammunition and explosives. ::snip::

5. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Catching Moyers… very good tonight, has Pollan, whose article on food was in the NYT in October. Says watch if Colin Petersen (D-MN) from the House ag committee, a big blockage to changing things, is made Sec of Ag.

6. marisacat - 29 November 2008
7. marisacat - 29 November 2008


ALBANY — After a pledge from New York Democratic leaders that their party would legalize same-sex marriage if they won control of the State Senate this year, money from gay rights supporters poured in from across the country, helping cinch a Democratic victory.

But now, party leaders have sent strong signals that they may not take up the issue during the 2009 legislative session. Some of them suggest it may be wise to wait until 2011 before considering it, in hopes that Democrats can pick up more Senate seats and Gov. David A. Paterson, a strong backer of gay rights, would then be safely into a second term. ::snip::

8. bayprairie - 29 November 2008


i really like that band. i also like that the stage is only a foot or two above the audience level. after this past weekend i certainly prefer that over some bullshit corporate for-profit event being run by homeland security apes that DROWNS THE ART.

Billie Holiday – Fine and Mellow (1957)

Jimi Hendrix – Earth vs Space Jam, Upgrade (Live at Newport)

i have no comment on all the death and suffering in the world. its just beyond me, i have to hide away from it.

9. bayprairie - 29 November 2008


Jimi Hendrix – Earth vs Space Jam, Upgrade (Live at Newport)

10. marisacat - 29 November 2008

I scammed this from a thread at Lenin…. (his post on Mumbai is about three down, big thread)… Arundhati Roy in the Guardian August 2008::

[A]s the crowd continued to swell I listened carefully to the slogans, because rhetoric often holds the key to all kinds of understanding. There were plenty of insults and humiliation for India: Ay jabiron ay zalimon, Kashmir hamara chhod do (Oh oppressors, Oh wicked ones, Get out of our Kashmir.) The slogan that cut through me like a knife and clean broke my heart was this one: Nanga bhookha Hindustan, jaan se pyaara Pakistan. (Naked, starving India, More precious than life itself – Pakistan.)

Why was it so galling, so painful to listen to this? I tried to work it out and settled on three reasons. First, because we all know that the first part of the slogan is the embarrassing and unadorned truth about India, the emerging superpower. Second, because all Indians who are not nanga or bhooka are and have been complicit in complex and historical ways with the elaborate cultural and economic systems that make Indian society so cruel, so vulgarly unequal. And third, because it was painful to listen to people who have suffered so much themselves mock others who suffer, in different ways, but no less intensely, under the same oppressor. In that slogan I saw the seeds of how easily victims can become perpetrators. ::snipsnip::

11. marisacat - 29 November 2008

This is so silly… they have no way of knowing they got them all. By now Indian officials would say anything to save face.

Death toll reaches 195 as Mumbai siege ends

Published Date: 29 November 2008

THE siege at Mumbai’s Taj Mahal hotel is over, police said today, as the death toll hit 195.

Indian officials say that all the militants have been killed after three days of terror in the city. ::snip::

12. marisacat - 29 November 2008

bits and pieces


A commando who battled the last of the terrorists at Mumbai’s Taj hotel Saturday said the gunmen were initially firing from all its seven floors.

They were on all floors. It all ended in the first floor,” said the visibly fatigued commando, speaking in Hindi. “In the morning we killed two (terrorists) and one last night.”

He said he was part of a 40-50 strong commando team. The terrorists they battled hurled grenades initially from all floors of the hotel.

Why did it take three days to flush out the gunmen, he was asked.

The commando replied: “The hotel had so many rooms that we could not make out where they were and where they were firing from. Sometimes they would fire from one place, then from another place.

“They didn’t talk to us. They had put explosives on the doors so that they would explode if we tried to enter. They had AK 47s and pistols.” […]

13. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008

Dick Head Alert! DHinMi The stammering slobberiffic Dana Houle is on CSPAN NOW! 8A Sat Morn EST.

I am just LMAO. Trying to get in.

14. marisacat - 29 November 2008

Too funny… did he remember to dress and comb his hair..?

15. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008

You mean the Hair Littoral?

..( barely found it)

16. marisacat - 29 November 2008

LOL that’s probably the hair in his ears. Or nose.


17. marisacat - 29 November 2008

hmm sounds like claims Bush 41 made about himself about doings in the Reagan admin… he was in the bathroom for 18 months.


“Under fire for his role in the near-collapse of Citigroup Inc., Robert Rubin said its problems were due to the buckling financial system, not its own mistakes, and that his role was peripheral to the bank’s main operations even though he was one of its highest-paid officials.” — WSJ

18. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008

What a stammering clod. God has he ever been on camera before? Clearly Houle is shopping his resume, which, is what exactly? “Contributing Editor of DailyKos” ? Translation: Unemployable, Abrassive Asshole who got fired after 15 min as Hodes COS.

See, Houle and the other clowns hit it when the average Middle Ager contemplating a run was afraid of lighting the building on fire when turning on a PC. The Guy is commoditized goods, and DEFINITELY not passing the Plum Book Transition Filter.

LOL. Unless he picks up some kinda union field job quick, (40 Grand, a gas card, and all the interns you can screw) ..Dana is headed for Willie Lomanville in Politics, so you just know what the next logical step is for a Butt Nugget like him- He’ll run for Office somewhere back in MI ( and Prolly get Elected!) as some type of Cutting Edge Obama Advising (LOL) Bloggo Pwogwesso Uber Doof.

19. marisacat - 29 November 2008

well he can go back to low level dirty tricks. it’s where he, and a few others among that crew, came from (according to the ex wife.) Talk bout a bevy of Donald Segretti wannabes.

20. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008

in what venue did the ex wif dish? Was she a Mrs Blogger?

21. marisacat - 29 November 2008

hmm she dropped in at LSF and asked if she could email me…

22. marisacat - 29 November 2008



ABC’s ‘This Week’ – Sens. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and Richard Lugar, R-Ind.

CBS’ ‘Face the Nation’ – Authors round table. [Bob Woodward, Fareed Zakaria, Jane Mayer, Michael Eric Dyson]

NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ – First lady Laura Bush; Said Jawad, Afghanistan’s ambassador to the U.S.; Ted Turner, CNN founder and author of a new memoir.

CNN’s ‘Late Edition’ – Sens. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., and Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Sajjan Gohel, director of international security, Asia-Pacific Foundation; Ron Gettelfinger, president of United Auto Workers; Gene Sperling, former Clinton administration economic adviser; Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling, the commander of U.S. forces in northern Iraq.

‘Fox News Sunday’ – Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 29 November 2008

Thanks for the sublime Lady Day, Lester, and friends, bayprairie.


From the Pollan transcript at Moyers:

MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, here’s – if you wanted to drive change, I think you’ve got to talk to Nancy Pelosi.

BILL MOYERS: Speaker of the House?

MICHAEL POLLAN: Speaker of the House. I think you have to look at the Constitution of the House Agriculture Committee. I think that is where much that is wrong with this Farm Bill comes out of Collin Peterson’s Agriculture Committee. I think you have to-

BILL MOYERS: He’s the chairman?

MICHAEL POLLAN: He’s the chairman. He’s from Minnesota. He’s being considered for Secretary of Agriculture, I’m told which is, you know, alarming. He’s-


MICHAEL POLLAN: Because he was not willing to touch commodities subsidies at all, not willing to put a serious cap on them, and, in fact, extended them. Like a lot in politics, the initial conditions or rules determine the outcome. If you fill your Agriculture Committee with representatives of commodity farmers and you don’t have urbanites, you don’t represent eaters, okay? You don’t have people from New York City on these committees, you are going to end up with the kind of farm bills we have, a piece of special interest legislation. It shouldn’t even be called the Farm Bill. It should be called the Food Bill. It’s about us. It’s not just about them.

BILL MOYERS: That sounds so, you know, it sounds so reasonable. But once again politics and human nature intervene. What are the political obstacles to making that happen?

MICHAEL POLLAN: Well, the commodity groups, as Harry Reid has said, are the, you know, one of the two most well-organized lobbies on the Hill. And the Farm Bureau which is, you know, purports to represent farmers, actually represents agri-business one of the most important lobbies. So I’m not saying it’s going to be easy. But, I also feel I know that there is a political movement rising. It’s very young, this movement. I mean, if anyone’s talking about me for Agriculture Secretary, that is a measure for how young it is. But it’s rising. There are you know, millions of mothers concerned about food, about the school lunch program, about the – what’s on sale in the supermarket. There’s enormous concern about food safety. Our food safety system is breaking down. There is the security issue. There is there are many facets to this movement. It’s still inchoate. And politicians have not recognized the power that is there. And that’s going to happen first.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 November 2008

7 – what assholes.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 November 2008


By Thursday morning, Mr. Anighotri had discovered another subtler point of connection. It was now clear that besides hotels, a café, a train station and two hospitals, the terrorists had invaded a Jewish outreach center, operated by the Chabad Lubavitch movement. Mr. Anighotri absorbed the news as the co-chairman of an 80-member group in the Atlanta area called the Indo-Jewish Coalition.

In its modest way, the coalition attests to the deepening bonds between Jews and Indians, whether in Israel, India or the United States; and this week’s events demonstrate perhaps the most visceral and grisly element of connection, though far from the only one.

“I am seeing that there is some natural affinity being developed between India and Israel and Jewish people,” said Mr. Anighotri, 48, who owns technology and consulting companies. “Because both these countries and people have been affected by this kind of terror — killing of civilians, something despicable that is happening year after year.”

Cedric Suzman, who until recently was co-chairman of the Atlanta group, echoed the sentiment. “In times like this, you suddenly realize that you’ve built bridges,” Mr. Suzman said in a telephone interview. “So instead of recrimination and accusation, you have a huge coming together of sympathy and understanding.”

The affinity of which both men spoke extends well beyond the shared experience of being the target of Islamist terrorism, or the resulting military and security ties between India and Israel. The softer tissue of human experience — culture, religion, values — also binds Indians and Jews.

“The best way to explain it is that I was telling my daughter, ‘If you have to marry outside India, marry a Jew,’ ” said Shoba Narayan, a writer in Bangalore who has visited Israel with her husband, an investment banker. “The cultures are so similar — the commitment to education, the ability to delay gratification, hard work, the guilt, the fatalism. And I think this is because we are both old cultures.”

26. marisacat - 29 November 2008

oh double ugh… therer are reports already this am that this has strengthened the bond between India and Israel. Just sandwich the fucking white people in there too, US and UK.

I think non Indian nationals accounted all told, for around 20 of the dead. All told.

But to hear the news, audio and TV, only those who were “targetted” died.

And all night on KGO a heavily pro Israel host, also a non believer Jew who calls himself a Liberal Democrat (and why not, they are shits, he might as well) pushed the Lubavitcher deaths and the “targetting”. I am happy to say he got almost two hours of hard push back. From a range of people. Then it seemd pro Israel and Jews called in for the next two hours.

It was awful. And that death rate of 195 will RISE… they did say during the night that some Americans are missing, but gosh, Indians died inisde India and it is half hidden.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 November 2008

Indians died inisde India and it is half hidden.

Worse that hidden, our media and leaders act like it is NATURAL, India being an “emerging” nation (millenia of history not-withstanding) and all.

28. Intermittent Bystander - 29 November 2008

Fresh from the WaPo:

“Their plan was to kill 5000 people, we recovered two big bombs, other than guns,” said R. R. Patil, Maharashtra’s deputy chief minister. “They were using mobile phones, GPS and satellite phones. We have many clues from these.”

In New Delhi, Prime Minister Singh has called a meeting of all political parties on Sunday to discuss a roadmap for tackling terror and evolved a consensus for further political and diplomatic action.


Sanjay Vaswani, associate director of Kroll, a private risk assessment and security firm, said he was sending a flurry of text messages to high-level business clients who were trapped inside the Oberoi. Vaswani said he had been at the site for 48 hours. “We have never seen anything as drastic as this,” he said, watching as a stream of freed hostages rushed onto buses. “We tried to be in minute-to-minute touch, telling them to stay down, don’t do any sudden moves.”


“This is a big-scale operation, but it is not beyond the capability of Lashkar-i-Taiba,” said the intelligence officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the nature of his work. “The person we have caught is a foot soldier; he is from Pakistan’s Punjab,” the officer said, referring to a region divided by the India-Pakistan border.

“He has clearly said he is with Lashkar and that he was trained,” the officer said. “They came via a ship. They hijacked a boat called Kuber, shot the man in charge on the boat. They were carrying a CD with the photographs of all the targets of the site, details. It is clear that they were determined to target India’s iconic locations and deter foreign investment.”


Police found backpacks at the Taj filled with rounds of ammunition and grenades, commandos said. In a room used by an attacker, police recovered credit cards from different banks and an identity card from Mauritius, an island nation off Africa’s southeastern coast.

At least one commando was killed in the raid at Nariman House, the complex where the Chabad-Lubavitch center is situated. Before the raid, India’s government blacked out all television news channels in Mumbai for nearly an hour, to prevent attackers from seeing coverage showing the positions of security forces.

Indian news agencies reported late Friday that Israel had criticized India’s handling of the hostage crisis at Nariman House, after India spurned Israel’s offer of military aid to help bring a quick end to the crisis.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 November 2008
30. mattes - 29 November 2008

Chabad Lubavitchs big time into the diamond trade, and one of their biggest dealers supports the settlers.

Lev Leviev, the Israeli diamond billionaire, had a busy schedule during his visit to New York this week.

On Sunday, he flew to New York to appear in front of 4,300 black-hatted Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis. The Uzbekistan-born Leviev, who made his fortune cracking the De Beers diamond cartel, is the most powerful lay leader of the Chabad movement’s rapidly growing branch in the former Soviet Union, and he was given a standing ovation by the gender-segregated crowd.


His rise has not been without controversy. Leviev has been accused of profiting from diamond mines in apartheid-era South Africa, Angola and Burma. His closeness to Russian President Vladimir Putin has also raised some eyebrows.

This came to the fore at the store opening, when a group of protesters showed up behind the velvet rope that barred the entrance to the store. The protesters were most vocal in criticizing Leviev’s involvement in developing the Palestinian territories. But they also denounced his trade with the Angolan government, widely regarded as repressive, and his real estate holdings in New York City, which have come under fire from tenants’ rights groups.

Leviev “is destroying marginal communities in New York City the same way he’s destroying Palestinian communities in the Middle East,” said protester Ethan Heitner, who identified himself as a Jewish member of the group Adalah-NY.

Maariv, Tel Aviv, September 2, 1994

The Jewish Laundry of Drug Money

Rabbi Yosef Crozer fell because of his big mouth “I launder money, a lot of money”, he once told an acquaintance. “Every day I take $300,000 from 47 Street in Manhattan, bring it to the synagogue, give a receipt and then take a commission.” The man who heard that story from Crozer was, how sad, an undercover Jewish agent of the US agency for fighting drug use, DEA. A month later, in February 1990, Crozer was arrested by agents on his way from 47 Street to Brooklyn. They found on him prayer books, five passports, and also $280000 dollars in cash in the trunk of his car. He traveled that route every day. He would arrive at the gold trading oflice on 47 Street in the afternoon, and leave shortly later, carrying suitcases and bags loaded with cash. From there he drove to the “Hessed Ve’Tzadaka” [“Mercy and Charity”] synagogue in Brooklyn, which was turned into an instrument for laundering millions of dollars, the revenue from drug sales in the New York area.

That was how Crozer made his living. Assuming that the commission for laundering money ranged in the area of 2-6%, Rabbi Crozer can be presumed not to have suffered from hunger. The investigators who questioned him faced a simple task: A respectable and pious Jew who never imagined that he will be interrogated, a son of a highly respected rabbi who headed a large yeshiva in city of New Square, Crozer broke down and cooperated. But then his lawyer, Stanley Lupkin, argued that his client, a pious Jew, had no idea that he was laundering drug money.


31. mattes - 29 November 2008

I think i’m in spam….

32. marisacat - 29 November 2008


sorry you got caught by Spam…. and for the delay getting you out.

The Leviev saga is endless…………………………..

33. cad - 29 November 2008

Dumbhini on TV? I can’t bear to watch but I bet he doesn’t answer questions with his patented Arrogant Blogger Asshole DK persona. If they spoke to people in their usual smug dismissive tone I’d have more respect.

But like Kos, put these phony-pwogs on the tube and they have delusions of media grandeur (soon I’ll be trading barbs with Stewart and Colbert!)…

34. NYCO - 29 November 2008

7. That’s not surprising.

As for good news, Monroe County recently decided to drop opposition to recognizing out-of-state gay marriages. Monroe is the upstate county where you’re probably most likely to find rich social conservatives (not that there are many of those around) who would whip up anti-gay-marriage fervor for political gain. (Monroe is sort of the bastion of Upstate GOP money; the former GOP state chair, Stephen “Mini-Me” Minarik, who was such a wackjob that Pataki had to publicly rebuke him once.)

35. mattes - 29 November 2008

MC, just had to do a diary:

Lubavitch involvement with drugs,money laundering and diamonds


36. marisacat - 29 November 2008


great diary, I sent it around…

I had heard of Orthodox involvment in money laundering quite a few years ago, but never that much detail. And glad to know about the Chabad houses. HA! And they (the Mumbai outpost) supposedly provided the baths and whatever else for the purification rituals.

What bunk.

37. marisacat - 29 November 2008

Speaking of possible false flag operations, from the 23rd of November:

India uncovers Hindu terror group that carried out bombings blamed on Islamists

By Andrew Buncombe in Delhi
Sunday, 23 November 2008

India is in something of a state of shock after learning from official sources that its first Hindu terror cell may have carried out a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims. The revelation is forcing the country to consider some difficult questions.

At least 10 people have been arrested in connection with several bomb blasts in the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, which left six people dead. But reports suggest that police believe the cell may also have carried out a number of previous attacks, including last year’s notorious bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people. Among the alleged members of the cell are a serving army officer and a Hindu monk.

Bomb attacks are not uncommon in India – there has been a flurry in recent months – but police usually blame them on Muslim extremists, often said to have links to militant groups based in either Pakistan or Bangladesh. As a result, the recent cracking of the alleged Hindu cell has forced India to face some difficult issues. A country that prides itself on purported religious and cultural toleration – an ambition that in reality often falls short – has been made to ask itself how this cell could operate for so long. India’s military, which prides itself on its professionalism, has been forced to order an embarrassing inquiry.

Meanwhile, senior right-wing leaders have made no secret of their wish that Hindus should form suicide squads to protect themselves against Muslim extremists. Bal Thackeray, leader of a group called the Shiv Sena, which has been responsible for communal and regional violence in Mumbai, wrote recently in the party’s magazine: “The threat of Islamic terror in India is rising. It is time to counter the same with Hindu terror. Hindu suicide squads should be readied to ensure the existence of Hindu society and to protect the nation.” ::snip::

38. mattes - 29 November 2008

MC….I am an optimist AND a cynic , in ever changing percentages.

“who benefits, and follow the money”

39. marisacat - 29 November 2008

knew thread…………..


………. 😯 …………

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