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High water… rather than underwater… ;) 2 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Italy, WAR!.
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Women sit on a table while water rises in their shoe shop [Photograph: Andrea Pattaro/AFP/Getty Images]

Venice, it seems, has its worst case of acqua alta in 22 years.  But!  High water is not underwater

So I am looking out of my second floor window at the Hotel Monaco & Grand Canal – normally seeing a street, but today a canal – watching carrier bags float past. Ah, Venice! City of Casanova, Titian and the floating carrier bag. Some of the designer shops on the alley are actually open, although they all have high metal boards at the entrances, keeping the water out. Pucci and Gucci are open. Harry’s Bar is sort of open. I watch, amazed, as a woman in waders stops outside a handbag shop and demands to be shown a handbag. The shop girl shows it to her across the board. She touches it, debates with the seller, and eventually buys it. Three foot of floodwater, and still she shops. She must be Italian.

The Venetians are cheerful. I can spot them from my window because they seem so happy. Because they do this with more panache than anyone else on earth. Three foot of water! Pah! They are all wearing green waders and they are not crying. They are standing in their shops, smoking and talking on their mobile telephones. Or they are stalking down the street, with their briefcases over their heads, looking completely normal.

It’s a silly little conceit, the piece, but not boring in dry (ha!) details.. and pretty much the way a cold, wet, high water day would roll out.. with the added fun the vaporetto / water buses were/are on strike.  LOL The commenters pretty much hated the little report.

Back on dry land, war land, Obama land… (not that it matters) Weissman has a few comments on Jim Jones

“We believe that success in Afghanistan remains a critical national security imperative for the United States and the international community.”

That’s quite a mouthful, I know, and the awkward syntax should alert readers to what a gargantuan task General Jones has in mind for the incoming administration.

In part, he worries that failure in Afghanistan would send a message to terrorist organizations that we and our allies can be defeated. It would. But, to use the new buzzword, let’s be pragmatic. Wouldn’t it be better to send that message at a time when a new American president offers the world new hope rather than after we follow the British and Soviets into a deadly Afghan quagmire?

The answer could determine the success of Obama’s domestic dreams, and whether he will be a one-term president. Lest he actually believes in the possibility of winning even a half-baked victory, he should read Rudyard Kipling or call Mikhail Gorbachev.

I don’t take such a critical warning for Ob’s second go round… if media keeps being the truss he needs and the critical pro-Israel pro-war pro USA! USA! conservative Dems (is there any other kind?) don’t abandon him, he should do fine.  Would we turn out history?  LOL I kinda of doubt it.

But, I hand it to the imperial state, they have worn me out.  I am not that old and all I can say is, cue the music.  Whatever the elevator plays out of the can when it is going down.  However slowly.  The long arc will not play out well.  Not for ordinary humans, anyway.

As the chorus chants, Too Big To Fail!! .. that would be NATO:

The problem with Jones goes even further. The vision offered by his Afghanistan Study Group draws heavily on his experience with NATO, as one can see in this recently released letter to the Washington Post that he co-authored with Harlan Ullman, the civilian architect of the Pentagon’s Rapid Dominance Strategy, or Shock and Awe.

“For the first time in its history, NATO is engaged in a ground war, not against a massive Soviet attack across the northern plains of Germany or in Iraq against insurgents and al Qaeda, but in Afghanistan,” they wrote. “In committing the alliance to sustained ground combat operations in Afghanistan (unlike Kosovo in 1999), NATO has bet its future. If NATO fails, alliance cohesion will be at grave risk. A moribund or unraveled NATO will have profoundly negative geostrategic impact.”

”Historic” president will be painted, no matter what and at the very least, a qualified success.  Stay the course, Bail Out, too big to fail, first, historic…. yada yada yada yayayayayay.  What a cage we are in.  How we have caged so much of the world..

The words echo the rhetoric of the cold war, only now General Jones and so many other “foreign policy realists” see the big threat as radical Islam and other forces that threaten Western control of the oil and natural gas resources from Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf into Central Asia. Jones views this threat not only as a 40-year marine, but also as a director of both Boeing and Chevron, and to counter it, he has helped Washington push the Europeans to increase their defense spending and join the United States in a multi-national military force to defend Western interests wherever threats appear.

Afghanistan is just the beginning, and many Europeans are already dragging their feet, seeing Washington’s view of NATO as too close to their own imperial past. Just as with the occupation of Iraq, they don’t think it will work any better this time. General Jones may hope that Obama’s charm can win them over, but I doubt they’ll drink the Kool-Aid.

Well… who knows… possibly a spoonful of charm does not make the poison go down..

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1. lucid - 2 December 2008

Something I wrote on a Celtic rhythm:

For all the soil
in promised lands
we could not pay the toll.

For all the toil
disfigured hands
we cannot mouth a goal.

Transfigured
to midnight hoodlums
riding bikes
throughout of the day,

Descend the coil
of reprimand
and seethe
that justice stay.

2. lucid - 2 December 2008

This is how it should read on edit:

For all the soil
in promised lands
we could not pay the toll.

For all the toil
disfigured hands
we cannot mouth a goal.

Transfigured
midnight hoodlums
riding bikes
throughout the day,

Descend the coil
of reprimand
and seethe
that justice stay.

3. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Lordy.

[N]onetheless, the underlying idea has been reproduced by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia whose 2003 report considered displays of support for the PLO to be antisemitic, and by the All Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism (published a mere month after the end of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon), which held that delegitimising Israel by reference to apartheid or calling it a racist state is an act of aggression against the “Jewish people”, and thus antisemitic. Denis MacShane MP has recently written a book, ‘Globalising Hatred’, devoted to the idea of a ‘neo-antisemitism’ that no longer depends on racial and religious dogma but rather centres on the vilification of Israel.

I just heard two hours of call in on KGO, the ”existential threat” that radical muslims pose to ”the UK US and the Jews”.

On and on it went. 9/11, the July in London.. this that the other. The torture, the horrible torture of the Jews in the Nariman House… On and on.

Hello!? Atocha? 11 marz? Nearly 200 dead on their way to work? Bali?

So the Spaniards (and others, Indians freshly dead) are allowed to die but not join the hallowed halls? There is a problem with a Socialist leaning leader who won over Azar, the Bushiter?

Not fascist enough? Franco is actually dead.

I was going to pass this by but the link above to lenin pisssed me off. Chris Floyd lines up the defeatists. If I could be proud of anything (and there is nothing to be proud of in our mess), it’d be that I am a defeatist.

LOL not wasting my time in any other endeavor…

4. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

Lest anybody think the “troll patrol” at the Daily Kos is the worse problem in the “online media,” some observations a local newspaper and their website (and I suppose this is happening all over the country).

The “Star Ledger” (paper in north Jersey) is the 15th largest paper in the country by circulation (just ahead of the Philadelphia Inquirer and just below the Boston Globe).

Last month they cut 200 out of 700 employees. It gets worse in the editorial department. They cut 45% of their employees. I’m not sure where exactly these editorial employees work but I can note what I can see with my own eyes.

The website (New Jersey Dot Com: I don’t want to link it and get put into spam) is now only sporadically updated. There are 2 week old weather reports. Whoever loads the weather report headlines seems to be gone and they don’t seem to be able to hire someone to put through an automatic feed from the weather channel or anything.

Astonishingly, the paper uses the Associated Press FOR LOCAL STORIES.

The local headlines are now a mixture of SOME coverage by the paper itself. The “real times news” column is very regularly updated by this mixture of the paper’s reporting mixed in with AP headlines.

But they also have a system where discussion on these headlines is feed onto the front page based on how many comments each story gets. And some local (or maybe not local) right wingers have learned how to game the system and every “thread” is regularly taken over by an orgy of union bashing, liberal bashing, immigrant bashing, and flat out racist ranting. Imagine “neocon crusher” from Free Speech Zone with 20 sockpuppets and you’ll get an idea of what it’s like.

Some of it could be correctly EASILY by simply having some kind of staffer correct the facts without censoring.

Thus, there’s currently a rumor that the property taxes in some of the rich white towns in Union County (and 4 of them pay property taxes over 10,000 a year) are being used to fund schools in inner city Newark. Well, local property taxes are used to fund local schools and all it would take is a staffer to add an editorial note clearing up the fact. But as with weather report headlines from November 17th, it’s pretty obvious they don’t have the “manpower.”

To top it all off, Steve Lonegan (one of our local anti-immigrant wingnuts) is going to run for the Republican nomination for governor. He won’t win. He probably won’t even win the Republican nomination but his campaign will be used as an organizing tool by one of the numerous white nationalist/anti-immigrant groups in the state (who will no doubt game the local online media).

Thus, opposition/rebellion to Obama/Corzine right down the corrupt liberal Democratic list is coming from the hard right, not the left.

5. wu ming - 2 December 2008

thailand is going to end up with an armed revolution if they keep this up. dissolving the government because a bunch of rich bangkok types don’t like the fact that they keep losing elections to the numerically larger dirt-poor farmers to the north could blow up in their faces. this is a coup, and will be understood by the supporters of the now-dissolved majority party as such.

as for mumbai, the more i think about its garbled message, the more i am convinced that it was a hindu group, and not a muslim one. a lot of noise to distract from the officials assassinated, attacks on civilians from western “war on terror” proponents to bait them into going after pakistan, and a potential I-P detente disrupted?

should be fascinating to see this sort out. i notice that obama was reticent to take the reporter’s bait on who did this in his press conference yesterday, i wonder what info he’s getting about what people know about what happened.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Neil Gaiman, in response to an email from a reader about his defense of the manga collector I linked to the other day: Why defend freedom of icky speech?

The Law is a blunt instrument. It’s not a scalpel. It’s a club. If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible.

I was born the day of the conclusion of the Lady Chatterley trial in England, the day it was decided that Lady Chatterley’s Lover, with its swearing, buggery and raw sex between the classes, was fit to be published and read in a cheap edition that poor people and servants could read. This was the same England in which, some years earlier, the director of public prosecutions had threatened to prosecute Professor F R Leavis if he so much as referred to James Joyce’s Ulysses in a lecture (the DPP was Archibald Bodkin, who also banned The Well of Loneliness) , in which, when I was sixteen and listening to the Sex Pistols, the publisher of Gay News was sentenced to prison for the crime of Criminal Blasphemy, for publishing an erotic poem featuring a fantasy about Jesus.

When I was writing Sandman, about eighteen years ago, I had thought that the Marquis de Sade would make a fine character for my French Revolution story (I loved the fact that at the time he was a tubby, asthmatic imprisoned for his refusal to sentence people to death) and realised I ought to read his books, rather than commentaries on them, if I was going to put him in my story. I discovered that the works of DeSade were, at that time, considered obscene and not available in the UK, and that UK Customs had declared them un-importable. I bought them in a Borders the next time I was in the US, and brought them through customs looking guilty. (You can now get De Sade in the UK. The arrival of internet porn in the UK meant that the police stopped chasing things like that.)

The first time I ever came close actually to sending a publisher to prison for something I had written was about 1986 or 1987, for Knockabout’s Outrageous Tales From The Old Testament: I’d retold a story from the Book of Judges that contained a rape and murder, and this was held to have contravened a Swedish law depicting images of violence against women. The case was only won when the defense pointed out that the words were from the King James version of the bible, and that the images were a fair representation thereof…

The CBLDF will defend your First Amendment right as an adult to make lines on paper, to draw, to write, to sell, to publish, and now, to own comics. And that’s what makes the kind of work you don’t like, or don’t read, or work that you do not feel has artistic worth or redeeming features worth defending. It’s because the same laws cover the stuff you like and the stuff you find icky, wherever your icky line happens to be: the law is a big blunt instrument that makes no fine distinctions, and because you only realise how wonderful absolute freedom of speech is the day you lose it.

(And let it be understood that I think that child pornography, and the exploitation of actual children for porn or for sex is utterly wrong and bad, because actual children are being directly harmed. And also that I think that prosecuting as child pornographers a 16 and 17 year old who were legally able to have sex, because they took a sexual photograph of themselves and emailed it to themselves is utterly, insanely wrong, and a nice example of the law as blunt instrument.)

7. NYCO - 2 December 2008

Hair Club… FWIW, I believe the Star-Ledger’s website is run by a separate company, NJ.com. I don’t know what the connection between content and form is, but the lack of updates may actually have to do with NJ.com people.

As for complaints about online comments, the staffers running the website will not intervene that way. I know because there have similar problems at Syracuse.com, the online presence of the local paper here, and I think they’re run by the same company.

8. ms_xeno - 2 December 2008

Eh, I’ve read defenses like Gaiman’s a million times, and gradually evolved to the POV that minus the economics of “free” speech and censorship, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. The fact is that while everyone has a right to free expression, they don’t have the right to not have their free expression challenged. With often seems to be the undertone in these arguments (not necessarily Gaiman’s in particular). We are expected to maintain this ideal in our heads of noble creators publishing tentacle rape cartoons or whatever out of some high ideal and shopkeepers selling it out of commitment to free speech– when the truth is that the almighty buck remains the deciding force in what’s seen by the public and what’s not.

Icky gets its day in the public eye over and over again, because it sells.

Maybe CBLDF has changed since the days when I bought tons of comics and hung out at cons, but their approach by itself was never pro-active enough for me. It’s not enough to just defend the right to depict sex ‘n violence on paper: Somebody needs to take the next logical step and discuss up sex ‘n violence on paper that actually has a heart and soul. In that sense, it was completely awesome that Alison Bechdel achieved such a huge mainstream success with Fun Home.

9. marisacat - 2 December 2008

December 2, 2008

Reporting from Washington — The outgoing Bush administration is planning to announce a broad new “right of conscience” rule permitting medical facilities, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other healthcare workers to refuse to participate in any procedure they find morally objectionable, including abortion and possibly even artificial insemination and birth control.

While the rule could eventually be overturned by the new administration, the process might open a wound that could take months of wrangling to close again.

Health and Human Services Department officials said the rule would apply to “any entity” that receives federal funds. It estimated 584,000 entities could be covered, including 4,800 hospitals, 234,000 doctor’s offices and 58,000 pharmacies. …

n a media briefing, Leavitt said the rule was focused on abortion, not contraception. But others said its broad language goes beyond abortion.

Since the 1970s, Congress has said no person may be compelled to perform or assist in performing an abortion or sterilization. One law says no person may be required to assist in a “health service program or research activity” that is “contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions.” The HHS rule says that law should be enforced “broadly” to cover any “activity related in any way to providing medicine, healthcare or any other service related to health or welfare.”

Judith Waxman, a lawyer for the National Women’s Law Center, said Leavitt’s office has extended the law far beyond what was understood. “This goes way beyond abortion,” she said. It could reach disputes over contraception, sperm donations and end-of-life care.

Leaving Ob with more than Somalia on the front burner.

10. ms_xeno - 2 December 2008

ie– “Domestic Dreams:”

What a beautiful slip-up. In a war economy that’s never challenged in any meaningful way, that’s all a humane domestic society is: A dream.

Maybe when all those hopeful young things get their draft notices and a ticket to Darfur, they’ll figure that out. But maybe not.

11. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Mona Charen loves the Obama picks. She’s pinching herself and smiling. That’s what she said.

Have to love how rank and file and liberals and ”left” (of which there is none) have volunteered to kneecap themselves to the floor boards, be too stupid to know what is happening – as they do it – AND smile like Moonies.

12. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

Oh this is too Funny in a Clinton Apologia Piece
in the Land of Orange Make Up and Make Believe

Behind the scenes story (1+ / 0-)

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One of the guys who manned the boiler (trouble) room at the National Convention who spoke at a fundraiser relayed this.

The roll call was supposed to be stopped earlier than it was, but some of the Clinton delegates were still being pissy. There was much phone talk between the different states and the boiler room. They were worried, but trying to mollify.

Without warning, the crowd parted as the secret service men made an aisle from the back area to the New York delegation. Hillary walked that aisle to the delegation area and force that roll call to end.

That was unrehearsed, but much welcomed by those people who spend the convention trying to keep all the delegations happy.

Just saying the lady does have some class and knows how shut dissention down. (..yep. Just ask Code Pink.LOL}

I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don’t let anybody tell you different.

by crazyshirley2100 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 03:05:27 PM PST

Orange Rouge for Munchkins.
At least the sig and the pseud were apropos….

13. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

Nice Piece, Lucid. Really well done

14. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

Hair Club… FWIW, I believe the Star-Ledger’s website is run by a separate company, NJ.com. I don’t know what the connection between content and form is, but the lack of updates may actually have to do with NJ.com people.

That may be true because the site’s been pretty poor for awhile.

But I think my larger point was about how the rank and file media is being gutted and I think the kind of squalid witch hunting going on at the Daily Kos has to be seen as part of this larger context.

Take MSNBC, for example. They have two partisan liberal Democratic hosts (Maddow and Olbermann) but as far as I know there’s not much hard reporting that goes on at MSNBC. They don’t have an in house investigate reporter. They don’t break stories. Olbermann relays information he gets from other media sources or from his fans. Rachel Maddow tries to put a liberal spin on the news but doesn’t really uncover original news.

And it’s horrifically bad at the local level. Most medium to big city papers just repost AP stories. They have a few syndicated columnists and a few in house columnists. Once again, editorializing and opinion is cheap. You don’t have to hire reporters, security. You don’t have to travel. You just spout off.

So let’s take the Daily Kos. They have “rules” against “conspiracy theories, for example. Where do conspiracy theories tend to flourish? In cultures without a free press. I don’t think the internet has much to do with it in and of itself. The internet’s only a medium.

What I think the problem is is the lack of real investigate reporting. It creates a culture where everything is opinion. So on the Daily Kos, you don’t get hard fact. You don’t have a “standard of proof”. You have one set of opinions elevated to “respectable” status and another labeled “crazy”. And you don’t have debate and a process that will eventually discover “the truth”. You have bullying and intimidation.

So let’s take Chris Floyd’s speculation about false flag operations. Was Mumbai a false flag operation. Maybe. Maybe not. Good reporting would uncover it. But since we don’t have that we have some people pushing “conspiracy theories” and other people calling them “crazy”.

And this is made worse by the fact that a lot of people now get their news from the internet. So when major city newspapers run websites that are as bad as nj.com, it poisons the discourse even further.

So “Dave From Queens” did everybody a service by giving hard proof that the management of the Daily Kos (really a mainstream media outlet by now) approves of manipulation and bullying behind the scenes.

But there’s no reason to think this doesn’t go on at every media outlet and will continue to until the culture of opinion is replaced by hard journalism.

15. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Well the people with hour shows on MSNBC are, all of them, commentators. Nothing else.

It was a long long time ago that CNN had crews spotted around the world, to fly in when big news broke and film and stand at a mic. Being quoted by heads of state during the ’91 Gulf War went to their collective tiny head. And it was all down hill from there.

16. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

And Olbermann lens the Daily Kos credability by posting diaries.

“Dave From Queens” made an interesting point about Darcy Burner and Linda Stender both losing because they were associated with the Daily Kos.

I think he’s half right. I think they lost because they both tried to spin the “liberals good conservatives bad” culture war into seat in Congress.

Stender tried to have Ann Coulter’s books taken out of Barnes and Nobles stores in Union County because Coulter insulted the “Jersey Girls”. It made her look like a laughing stock.

Of course now that Bush is gone that culture isn’t really viable anymore. Liberal Democrats run the state now. They can’t run as the righteous outsiders anymore.

They’ll try to move the goal posts (a “fillibuster proof majority” is now in Congress is needed before they can do anything). They’ll try to use scare stories about white nationalists exactly the way Bush tried to use scare stories about Arabs to head off criticism.

But in the end I think it will lead to things like Olbermann’s incredibly convoluted defense of Obama’s FISA vote. His act just doesn’t work without Bush in office.

And it makes “Major Flaw’s” website look even more sinister. The Daily Kos certainly LOOKS like a data mining operation focusing on “left” political activists and one that’s one by what’s basically a political consulting outfit associated with the governing party.

17. mattes - 2 December 2008

“data mining operation”, well they sure take enough surveys. How old are you, where do you live, education, profession, etc.

18. marisacat - 2 December 2008

I don’t know Stender.. but I think Burner – who is no liberal but the usual dullard the party runs – loses because the guy she runs against, now an incumbent, sells better to the district. I compared them both a couple of runs ago and IIRC he could claim greater experience, on paper anyway. she is basically a mid level Microsoft manager. Kinda dull.

I think a lot of casual frequenters to the Kos site, who read often enough but don’t comment and may never have registered, have no clue about the site… they access the FP and comments are a separate click away. Someone or other of the already banned noted all of this in the past.

I think the Dkos site, its problems and foibles are kinda small potatoes. Up against what politics is really all about. More exposure than a single Democratic club, more like a string of them. And I don’t think Kos / Blue Act or whatever it is called has really cracked the big big big leagues for raising campaign cash. How much data mining Dkos other sites, the various state sites do… I cannot gage.

Their games agaisnt Lieberman died face down in the mud sludge and snow of CT. (as he wings off to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and possibly India as well, with Lindsay and McCain, you hve got to laugh!)

Dkos is busywork for the faithful. Day in and day out, they keep a certain number of them caged…

19. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

4
Hair Club Thus, opposition/rebellion to Obama/Corzine right down the corrupt liberal Democratic list is coming from the hard right, not the left.

Disgruntled with their own? Seriously, I wouldn’t count out R’s in NJ, many uniParty thugs to be sure- but some will buy a rebrand of Keane’s Kid as Whitman with a dick. Could make a go of it, too, when Help On The Way doesn’t show and the Unions get fucked….

Ya just gotta laugh, when you have everybody from the porky retainer that { fellow retainer- gotta luvit – } Markos Lionized today to The Thin Man, Chris ‘Rocky’, now – Bowers cleanin up, scalpin tickets to Fools thinkin’ they’re headed over for dinner at Bon Jovi’s with the Goldman Sachs crowd ..:

yo–no way (11+ / 0-)

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Yo–it’s like everyone is talking like they are from the mid-Atlantic states now, yo. Being a mid-Atlantic type myself, yo–I’m digging this.

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by Chris Bowers on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 02:16:44 PM PST

Mehbe ‘topher reads our muggin on Jersey. If so,
LOL, Bowers. Henh. –

You a WHAT?!? – A Fuckin BLOGGER?

“Put The Punk in the Trunk”.

20. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

I think a lot of casual frequenters to the Kos site, who read often enough but don’t comment and may never have registered, have no clue about the site… they access the FP and comments are a separate click away.

Maybe “data mining” was a bad way to phrase it.

But what that site does have is a rather extensive log of the “liberal” political culture over the past 4 or 5 years. A lot of people have dropped in and written a diary or two.

And a lot of these casual users at the Daily Kos have no idea the people who run the site can’t be trusted.

21. marisacat - 2 December 2008

And a lot of these casual users at the Daily Kos have no idea the people who run the site can’t be trusted

lol they shouldn’t trust state and party leaders either, but they dooooooooooooooooo.

22. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

BTW I never believed, as the story goes, (interesting read for fiction, nonetheless) that Corzine was “pushed out” of Goldman by Paulson.
( remember, Corzine remained as Co-Chair plus all that fucking equity)

It’s really About the thinnest ruse possible for political cover, to get a club seat in the Sen, then Gov, perhaps further worked out well for Paulson despite the Financial Fecál Soufflé’s collapse…

No matter, they got us all lickin the bowl…
What they cook up is never meant for their own consumption..

23. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

Disgruntled with their own? Seriously, I wouldn’t count out R’s in NJ, many uniParty thugs to be sure- but some will buy a rebrand of Keane’s Kid as Whitman with a dick

I’m not thinking of somebody who can actually win.

What I AM thinking of is something like this.

Obama and the Democrats will probably be as discredited in a few years as Bush and the Republicans are now.

How does “the left” get ahead of the curve in terms of articulating this discontent/populist anger?

Obama won’t cut the military budget and until someone does that the economy’s going ot keep going downhill. Everybody in Union County NJ is pissed about the public hospital closings, the tolls on the Parkway, etc. How do you make it clear in their minds that the cause is the occupation of Iraq, not immigrants?

The discontent will be the contested terrain.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Have to love how rank and file and liberals and ”left” (of which there is none) have volunteered to kneecap themselves to the floor boards, be too stupid to know what is happening – as they do it – AND smile like Moonies.

You mean like this guy: Chris Bowers to Matthews: Obama Said He Would Govern In Bi-Partisan Fashion

I don’t think he’s betraying it. I think, I mean first of all he hasn’t become President so it’s difficult to see how he’s failed to deliver on any campaign promises so far but he, he didn’t say he was going to govern from the left during his campaign. He had some progressive rhetoric, but he said he was going to govern in a bi-partisan fashion. He repeatedly said that throughout 2007 and 2008, so I don’t feel betrayed.

25. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Silverstein Dec 1 in Washington Babylon, Harper’s

“The most striking characteristic of the current lineup is how the personalities reflect the centrist vision of the Democratic Party promoted by Bill Clinton and his colleagues at the Democratic Leadership Council in the 1990s,” Julian Zelizer, a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School, wrote at CNN.

Meanwhile, progressives appear to be in a state of denial. “There’s a hope that he is using very experienced people with centrist credentials to drive a very bold, progressive program,” said Robert Borosage of Campaign for America’s Future.

… but Obama brought so many NEW PEOPLE to the party, to voting. And that is what it is all about, right? And! The “Obama Campaign” won for best media conflab of the year… as of a few months ago.. bfore the two year long hump was over! LOL

No, it’s not about governing (remember they sold none other than Biden as a “governing” pick, LOL) and delivering to the people… nooooooooooo.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Barack Obama’s kettle of hawks –
Jeremy Scahill

When announcing his foreign policy team on Monday, Obama said: “I didn’t go around checking their voter registration.” That is a bit hard to believe, given the 63-question application to work in his White House. But Obama clearly did check their credentials, and the disturbing truth is that he liked what he saw.

The assembly of Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, Susan Rice and Joe Biden is a kettle of hawks with a proven track record of support for the Iraq war, militaristic interventionism, neoliberal economic policies and a worldview consistent with the foreign policy arch that stretches from George HW Bush’s time in office to the present.

Obama has dismissed suggestions that the public records of his appointees bear much relevance to future policy. “Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost,” Obama said. “It comes from me. That’s my job, to provide a vision in terms of where we are going and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing.” It is a line the president-elect’s defenders echo often. The reality, though, is that their records do matter.

We were told repeatedly during the campaign that Obama was right on the premiere foreign policy issue of our day – the Iraq war. “Six years ago, I stood up and opposed this war at a time when it was politically risky to do so,” Obama said in his September debate against John McCain. “Senator McCain and President Bush had a very different judgment.” What does it say that, with 130 members of the House and 23 in the Senate who voted against the war, Obama chooses to hire Democrats who made the same judgement as Bush and McCain?

On Iraq, the issue that the Obama campaign described as “the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation”, Biden and Clinton not only supported the invasion, but pushed the Bush administration’s propaganda and lies about Iraqi WMDs and fictitious connections to al-Qaida. Clinton and Obama’s hawkish, pro-Israel chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, still refuse to renounce their votes in favour of the war. Rice, who claims she opposed the Iraq war, didn’t hold elected office and was not confronted with voting for or against it. But she did publicly promote the myth of Iraq’s possession of WMDs, saying in the lead up to the war that the “major threat” must “be dealt with forcefully”. Rice has also been hawkish on Darfur, calling for “strik[ing] Sudanese airfields, aircraft and other military assets”.

It is also deeply telling that, of his own free will, Obama selected President Bush’s choice for defence secretary, a man with a very disturbing and lengthy history at the CIA during the cold war, as his own. While General James Jones, Obama’s nominee for national security adviser, reportedly opposed the Iraq invasion and is said to have stood up to the neocons in Donald Rumsfeld’s Pentagon, he did not do so publicly when it would have carried weight. Time magazine described him as “the man who led the Marines during the run-up to the war – and failed to publicly criticise the operation’s flawed planning”. Moreover, Jones, who is a friend of McCain’s, has said a timetable for Iraq withdrawal, “would be against our national interest”.

But the problem with Obama’s appointments is hardly just a matter of bad vision on Iraq. What ultimately ties Obama’s team together is their unified support for the classic US foreign policy recipe: the hidden hand of the free market, backed up by the iron fist of US militarism to defend the America First doctrine.

27. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

he didn’t say he was going to govern from the left during his campaign

He didn’t say he’d govern from the left but he DID run against Hillary Clinton’s yes vote on the invasion of Iraq.

I thought his winning would do two positive things.

1.) Kill the “southern strategy”

2.) Flush the Clinton/Rubin/Summers crowd out of government along with Bush.

The first thing DID happen. The Southern Strategy (1968-2008) is dead. Hillary and McCain both tried it and it failed both times.

But it’s also clear that Obama is now the superficially liberal “frontman” for the Clinton/Rubin/Summers gang. They’re running the government, Cheney to Obama’s Bush.

But here’s why I don’t think it’s as dark as you may think. The liberal Democrats now own the war in Iraq and the recession. The hard right is also pretty weak. There’s space on the left to organize the discontent. It’s not necessarily going to lead to the pendulum swining back to the Republicans in 8 years.

It could end up with both parties being discredited. It’s going to be a very short honeymoon.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Reward the underling

One of the clever things about the Catholic church has been it’s ablity to maintain its status as a political force and a tiny state, and have some effect as a kind of diplomatic go-between and agenda setter.Think of the Vatican as the internationl equivalent of D.C. “Congresswoman” Eleanor Holmes Norton, say. The U.S. has an ambassador there, always a Roman Catholic, which as an aside seems to present a conflict of interests, and now people are musing about who Obama will appoint to the position.

Doug Kmiec, the Catholic conservative who supported Obama and made various pro-life arguments in favor of him during the campaign, has been mentioned as a possible candidate for the role. I imagine Kmiec would be a fine Ambassador, though we have no idea if he’d be picked for the slot or if he is really interested in moving to Italy — excuse me, the Vatican State — for a few years. But conservative Catholics believe this would be an insult to the Pope, since though Kmiec is pro-life, he supports pro-choice Obama because he believes the president-elect will reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions through progressive social policies.

Well, this is a ridiculous idea. Henry Farrell explains why. I would add two notes: One, what these critics really want is for Obama to appoint someone who didn’t support him, which is highly unlikely. Second, we are way behind the French on insulting the Vatican; President Sarkozy, with what I’m going to refer to as typical Gallic brio, recently tried to appoint first a divorced man and then an openly gay man to the post, both of whom were rejected by the Papal See.

Always amazing how easily “insulted” conservatives are, especially the Catholic & Evangelical varieties. If they were back in the days of the Coliseum and lions, these wimps would wet themselves and faint … or more likely run toward the nearest temple to one of the major Roman gods.

29. marisacat - 2 December 2008

His speech, such as it was, was a schtick. He brought it out when it was useful after hiding it for three years (Black Commentator dug it up after he dropped it from his site and published it).

If anyone read his words his run was a camoflage. UTTERLY. The speeches and interviews and YouTubes are out there. Acceessibly. Dying to be read (well nto really, one reason he lobed the fake christianist shit so hard).

I ahve different ideas about the Southern Strategy. Sure the Dems risked losing votes there from the Civil Rights era and the Reagan onset… BUT they colluded. Dropping out of the South, dminishing state party’s strength, allowing state parties to languish in official semi bankruptcy with atty after atty holding the strings (Bert Lance was one, in GA)… and not organising voter registration. Not organising. Etc.

Til (you have to laugh) they decided it would be worth it to them to work new registration of black votes, among others.

Overall very entertaining.

30. marisacat - 2 December 2008

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I just read that the 6th circuit has OK’d suing the Holy See, in at least one abuse case of what is now three adult men. Not usre how far ranging the ruling was… I had Whispers in the Loggia open, reading when everything froze and I had to reboot..

What a hoot!

31. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

I ahve different ideas about the Southern Strategy. Sure the Dems risked losing votes there from the Civil Rights era and the Reagan onset… BUT they colluded. Dropping out of the South, dminishing state party’s strength, allowing state parties to languish in official semi bankruptcy

I think the Republicans have been doing something similar in the Northeast.

They’ve conceded it. And they don’t even run in majority minority districts. Take NJ 9 (my district). The Republicans don’t put up a candidate. I would have voted Green for Congress but they didn’t put up a candidate either. So I voted for the Socialist Worker’s Party candidate (the only third party in the race).

So why don’t the Republicans run? I think that if they did, they’d have to at least TRY to get the votes of blacks and hispanics. And that would mean giving up the advantage of the “culture war”. The interests of black and hispanics would then become “bipartisan”. The “southern strategy” depends upon not running in some urban districts as much as it does running for the backlash vote.

But I don’t think this is viable anymore. The Republicans can’t concede New York and California and remain competative. They can’t run on culture anymore. I don’t even think they can run on an anti-immigrant platform and win (especially with the Southwest becoming more and more Hispanic).

32. marisacat - 2 December 2008

well CA is one place where the Republicans will be making a play. Just because it died away as Guiliani fell from the run, does not mean they will nto challenge our winner take all strategy. 55 EV. Massive economic failure helped propel ObRama this go round, but it is very hard for Dems to win wtihout taking all of that.

Also a redistricting plan, supported by some good groups (League of Women Voters for one and Common Cause) but also fostered by Arnold, passed on Nov 4.

Thankfully by now I don’t care. They can take all of CA for all I care.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Legalize drugs, gain $77 billion

Government expenditures
“This report concludes that drug legalization would reduce government expenditure by $44.1
billion annually. Roughly $30.3 billion of this savings would accrue to state and local governments, while roughly $13.8 billion would accrue to the federal government. Approximately $12.9 billion of the savings would results from legalization of marijuana, $19.3 billion from legalization of cocaine and heroin, and $11.6 from legalization of all other drugs.”

“The estimates are ballpark figures that indicate what order of magnitude policymakers should expect from legalization.”

“To estimate the state and local savings in criminal justice resources, this report . . . estimates the percentage of state and local arrests for drug violations and multiplies this percentage by the state and local budget for police. It estimates the percentage of state and local felony convictions for drug violations and multiplies this percentage by the state and local budget for prosecutors and judges. It estimates the percentage of state and local incarcerations for drug violations and multiplies this percentage by the state and local budget for prisons. It then sums these components to estimate the overall reduction in state and local government expenditure. Under plausible assumptions, this procedure yields a reasonable estimate of the cost savings from drug legalization. “

re: 8 – It’s not enough to just defend the right to depict sex ‘n violence on paper: Somebody needs to take the next logical step and discuss up sex ‘n violence on paper that actually has a heart and soul.

I think that is more the province of the writers/artists themselves. Gaiman’s and Alan Moore’s work, to name just two creators, have explored those topics in their work. (Interestingly, many of the artists who do are brits … )

34. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Eventually they will scrape off some cultural conservatives. From the black and brown ranks. And if brown listened hard, the Dems are no better at immigration than the R.

I think it was a “perfect storm” of sell outs out here w/r/t Prop 8.

The Dem party hung back, ob sold out massively (check his MTV interview three days before election) Gay leadership, almost all Dem but also the old Log Cabin “helpers” did what they could to scuttle GOTV and voter education on 8. They also saw to it that people languished in ignorance. Assuring people for months it would pass.

Geesh.

Don’t wanna run too hard on gay marriage while electing Ob. And bleating religion all the way.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Teacher Sells Ads On Tests To Cover Printing Costs

Left to fend for himself after budget cuts, His tests cost over $500 a year to print, but this year he only got $316, one calculus teacher resorted to selling ads on quizzes and tests to cover his printing costs. $10 for quizzes, $20 for tests, and $30 for a final.

After a local newspaper featured his story, the offers rolled in and he sold out his semester. Most of the ads are positive messages bought by parents, while others are from local businesses.

36. marisacat - 2 December 2008

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Ob brought in major Drug War warriors tho. Biden Rahm Holder. Plus whoever else.

37. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

think it was a “perfect storm” of sell outs out here w/r/t Prop 8.

I went to Justice Sunday II in North Philly. Essentially Dobson and FOF bought an entire North Philly black church and used it for an anti-gay photo op. It looked to me when I was there that the Republicans would be able to pick up 10% of the black vote.

But blacks aren’t that different from Jews. They won’t vote Republican. They’ll just bring their pet issues into the Democratic Party. That means the Democrats will become more hawkish in the Middle East and more anti-gay more than it will mean the Republicans will pick up votes.

It looks like the Democrats in New York have been spooked by Prop 8 and are putting off the gay marriage vote. But I still think that if the Republicans want black votes they have to overcome their image on economic populism. I don’t think the cultural conservatism is enough.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

36 – yes he did. I just enjoy the periodic attempts by those stalwart few who try to inject reason into this misbeggotten country … you have to admire the stubborn nobility of the windmill tilting.

LOL: Perrin

“I find you to be an insufferable crank, your curdled political ramblings infuriating as much for their pointlessness as their solipsistic denial of reality.”

Try saying that fast three times.

This is a taste of some of the fan mail I’ve received since Obama’s ascension, and I expect more of the same as we approach that magic date, 1/20/09, the day of liberal deliverance, where Republican duplicity evaporates to reveal a “new dawn,” as Obama himself recently put it. New Dawn. Year Zero. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start again — or in Obama’s case, apply electrodes to the Clintonite beast and zap it back to life. After watching him trot out his team, it appears that Obama’s “new dawn” will emit a familiar old stench.

Some of you who find it painful to read me (yet, not only do you return, you seem to know a lot about my work, going back a year or more) have been blowing me shit about criticizing Obama before he’s taken the oath. “What ever happened to the presidential honeymoon?” is a common question. Well, honeymoons are usually filled with consensual fucking, and since I didn’t vote for Obama, I don’t see why I should voluntarily spread on his behalf. If you want to be fucked by Obama, offer yourself freely, though the line appears a few thousand miles long, so you may want to bring along one of his audio books to keep you stimulated while you wait.

I never hear that it’s too early to praise Obama, and there’s certainly no shortage of hosannas. Every political carny and wannabe player is flexing and spinning to serve the new imperial manager. Nothing “new” there.

39. marisacat - 2 December 2008

well in 2004 they got an additional 4% (think it went from 8 or 9 pts to 13) of the black vote in Ohio running the anti gay and whatever other conservative ballot issues they ran in that state.

They have got to re-tool and they might be at least moderately inventive. And they have a history of being willing to work incrementally across years.

From what i have read, the Dems sold themselves to gays nationally as having a plan to move on Gay Marriage right away (get us to a majority!), collected tons of dough for NY races, from national gays, and now are coughing and sneezing and excusing themselves from the room. They caught a chill… LOL

They never planned to do much at all.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Perrin has been scooped up by wordpress obamites and locked away in moderation until he learns to love the savior, I think.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Pope Benedict on the Nature of University Reform

blah de blah about academic purity and seclusion, or something or other, and some old dead saint and hermit:

He then went on to speak of an Italian Saint, Hermit and Doctor of the Church Peter Damian, from whose life he said today’s university students and even professors can learn valuable lessons. Although living in the seclusion of the cloister, St Peter Damian was a forceful figure in the Gregorian Reform movement, whose personal example and many writings exercised great influence on religious life in the 11th and 12th centuries.

then:

In conclusion Pope Benedict, said today’s younger generations are exposed to a double risk, largely due to the widespread use of new technologies: on one hand, noted Pope Benedict there is a danger that the students capacity for concentration and mental application on a personal level are reduced; on the other hand there is a danger that the students isolate themselves in an increasingly virtual reality.

RFLMAO. Nothing “virtual” about cloistering oneself away to worship an Imaginary Daddy, nope, not at all.

Moron.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

never mind … he escaped!

43. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

the Dems sold themselves to gays nationally as having a plan to move on Gay Marriage right away (get us to a majority!), collected tons of dough for NY races, from national gays, and now are coughing and sneezing and excusing themselves from the room. They caught a chill… LOL

One one hand, Obama’s courting the evangelicals was a smart tacitcal move. He split their vote and neutralized them as a Republican voting block.

But on the other hand, he’s made their cultural conservatism bipartisan, not just a Republican partisan agenda. It’s now got a solid foot in both parties.

I think something to look out for over the next few years is whether or not Obama keeps the faith based pork money flowing for the evangelicals. A lot of it’s about dollar signs. Obama can very quietly choke off their allowance (generous under Bush) if he wants to.

On another and related note, Olbermann spent half his show attacking Sarah Palin. He’s passed his expiration date.

44. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Well, honeymoons are usually filled with consensual fucking, and since I didn’t vote for Obama, I don’t see why I should voluntarily spread on his behalf.

I laughed til the tears came at that. So funny.

If you want to be fucked by Obama, offer yourself freely, though the line appears a few thousand miles long, so you may want to bring along one of his audio books to keep you stimulated while you wait.

I noticed that IOZ has picked up a heckler. Or troll… or a lost Orgasmics for Obama. It just seemed so natural. That Army of the Fucked and Faithful for ObRama… Since i think they were all either the blind or those willing to lead the blind (it must be so boring) i expect them to found at truck rest stops flailing their legs around or trolling the internets.

Nothing there signified intelligence

45. marisacat - 2 December 2008

last I read ob picked up 2 or three points with evangelicals. he did get halfway decent numbers from Catholics. 54% iirc.

I would guess he will put Joshua Dubois in charge of West Wing Faith Based Initiatives. Led his fiath outreach and with ob since 05.

A former associate pastor at an Assemblies of God storefront church in MASS .. I would lvoe him to be asked if he led the congregation in speaking in tongues. Writhing ont he floor perhaps?

LOL.

Oh Ob will keep the money flowing to the minsterially fucked and faithful. he considers himself one of the Reverends. Professional courtesy.

46. marisacat - 2 December 2008

42

sorry it took me a few minutes to get to the moderation filter…

47. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

If you want to be fucked by Obama, offer yourself freely, though the line appears a few thousand miles long, so you may want to bring along one of his audio books to keep you stimulated while you wait.

The problem with this line of attack is that it puts the focus on Obama’s rank and file supporters and takes the focus away from the institutional blocks inside the Democratic party, the presidency and congress that prevent any kind of “progressive” program from being put into practice.

It’s easy to pick out some overly enthusiastic Obama supporters and say “oh look at me I’m smarter than these people.”

It’s not so easy to frame a critique of Obama and the Democrats that channels the inevitable populist outrage coming over the next few years in a left direction.

48. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

Oh Ob will keep the money flowing to the minsterially fucked and faithful.

Well he does seem to be in favor of school vouchers.

Kaus points to a recent article at the Democrats for Educations Reform website that points out that Obama has said that charter schools are one of the places where he has broken away from other Democrats (he likes them); that in an interview with the Baltimore Sun when asked how the “troubled No Child Left Behind education program might be salvaged, Mr. Obama said achievement testing should not be abandoned but rather complemented with other measures of progress and more aid for schools.”; and that while he “worried that vouchers won’t generate the kind of supply of high-quality schools we will need” if vouchers are shown to work for students “he wouldn’t allow his skepticism to stand in the way of doing something to help them.”

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

One one hand, Obama’s courting the evangelicals was a smart tacitcal move.

I have to disagree … going anywhere near those fucking psychos is a bad, bad idea. they poison everything w/ their superstitions and aversion to reason.

The problem with this line of attack is that it puts the focus on Obama’s rank and file supporters and takes the focus away from the institutional blocks inside the Democratic party,

It’s the rubes who keep the midway filled, not the carnies. Just sayin’.

50. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

23 I agree with you a 100% here- Obama and the Democrats will probably be as discredited in a few years as Bush and the Republicans are now.

and here.
Obama won’t cut the military budget and until someone does that the economy’s going on keep going downhill.

How does “the left” get ahead of the curve in terms of articulating this discontent/populist anger?

The rational answer, seems to me, is drop “the left” tag, drop the Dems, too, and “Out-Obama” Obama with the post partisanship pandering…

Post Partisanship is what is craved by the sheeple, they WANT SOMETHING other than the Pro Wrestling that goes on in DC but the fools don’t seem to grok or can’t bring themselves to acknowledge – from the Record , evidently – that IT”S ENTERTAINMENT meant to sell the commercially knocked off USA!USA! Agenda, the Flags, The Bombs, The Meds, the Insurance, The “Wealth Management”, and quite literally this time- the goods with all the durable utility of T shirts and bumper stickers.

Bear with me.

Seriously, and this IS with a grain of salt – as grains are all that’s moved around on the Administrative and Legislative margins –
BUT IF IT wasn’t what appears to be- a cyclical coordinated sham-
The Left – Hello?!!? The Don’t tread on Me, Do Unto Others, Thou Shall Not Kill , Law’nOrder, Wanna Earn A Living / Willin to Work For It LEFT, – Could Use A Little Help When They’re Old Left, The Sick Left, the Rather NOT See Another Kid Killed In War Left —

YehTHATLeft, AKA the Majority of the the Electorate who voted FOR Obama and the DemoCon, frankly the substantial minority of those who didn’t, too.. — THAT LEFT (if they could get there quick) would be better off at “reforming” the Repubs , than stick with the Meatwhistle Party du Jour, the D’s…

But the deal is this, the NEXT ’10 MOVES have already been Played, its already in the Co-opted Works if you ask me:
The D’s will be lauded as New and Improved for a while, their Spoken Agenda spun down , while , – Your turn, Newt– the R’s will re-emerge, ream-age-ly , laughably, as the “Truly” /”Yes, YES, WE Can Party.”

Politics , here in the incurious and intellectually dishonest U.S.- Politics is just one continual game of “Kick Me” for the AssClown Citizenry who can’t (most) or for Electoral purposes CAN
but are among The Stupid Majority who won’t re-examine their position.

We really need a new, user friendly word for Bourgeois.
Less Commie-Frenchy. LOL.

So my feeling is Obam can sing Change, Jesus Be Praised all he wants, but it will be more like Good Night Eirene, cause we’ll only see it in our dreams…

As long as he worships Mars, it looks like he’s in for just a little heckled gig, like Clinton, not much more. From where I sit, I don’t see Obam getting his serviceable , servile ass beaten in ‘012 despite players in Dress Rehearsal readying for entry Stage Right. No one, not even Jeb is ever Promised a Rose Garden.

I hope to be living somewhere under something resembling a Democratic Socialist system of Parliamentary Government by then,with whatever DickWad Revisited is Foist, – Moist, Upon us…..

Here, LOL, we actually take this “Changing of the Guard
quite seriously…

51. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

It’s the rubes who keep the midway filled, not the carnies. Just sayin’.

True.

And I generally think the culture industry is corrupt.

I’m just wondering who the joke would be on if I spent Saturday afternoon sitting on the bench in front of the local movie theater making fun of teenage girls waiting to see “Twighlight”.

52. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

LOL.Uh, an embarrasing,{Freudian?} ERECTION.
DAMN! I mean CORRECTION.

I hope to be living somewhere under something resembling a Democratic Socialist system of Parliamentary Government by then, *WHEN* { not WITH – LOL} whatever DickWad Revisited is Foist, – Moist, Upon us…..

53. marisacat - 2 December 2008

he dances around school vouchers,, says one thing one place, something weaker elsewhere. My take he is for them. He likes types like Fenty and Rhee, for one.

The only thing is that I gather “Teach for America”, the corporate scam that launched Rhee, is running out of steam. Too lsowly, after years of doing damage, iMO

Too many years of people like Vallas (out of the Chicago school reform, LOL) using them. Young fake earger fake bright teachers land for a couple of years for a do good on the CV then light out for much greener pastures. They imposed it on NO after Katrina… should have jsut closed the shcools imo. They don’t really exist. 8 years into NCLB, about which Ob and congress will do nothing, by design.

Obama will smile at whatever.

54. marisacat - 2 December 2008

No shock. Chambliss won.

Someone round up all the cows the Dems shat over the past 3 weeks.

55. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

I don’t see Obam getting his serviceable , servile ass beaten in ‘012 despite players in Dress Rehearsal readying for entry Stage Right. No one, not even Jeb is ever Promised a Rose Garden.

And this isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

The cynicism about Obama is going to set in pretty fast. I don’t see the economy getting much better and I don’t see any move to bulk up the military in Afghanistan as being very popular.

I don’t see Obama being able to mobilize people in favor of a draft, for example. If he makes any more in that direction, I see most of the “youth vote” heading towards the latest incarnation of libertarianism or towards simple apathy or even towards anti-militarism.

I see Obama as being a fairly weak president with at best a two year window to do much of anything.

I also see the cynicism about his administration getting here before then and I don’t see the hard right as being strong enough to mobilize it. The Republicans are going to be flat on their backs for awhile.

So there is an opening here that the Democrats won’t be able to exploit simply because they own the government. They’re the insiders now and the hard right will (at best) be one singer in a chorus of populist anger.

56. marisacat - 2 December 2008

trying to think what people like Fenty and Rhee and Ob are…

destructo-reformos.

something along that line.. LOL

57. marisacat - 2 December 2008

I don’t think he will need a draft… expanding unemployment, fewer and fewer programs… community colleges overcrowded (at least we are here and the UC system of state colleges is no longer able to make the standing promise, graduate and there is a place) fewer jobs…

People will be forced to turn ot the one of the services.

58. Hair Club for Men - 2 December 2008

And I think it’s very important to realize that they can loot as much as they can carry over the next two years. But sooner or later the money supply is going to run out.

There’s a big difference between slipping the bailout bill through congress and actually mobilizing people to support a new escalation in Afghanistan.

Sure they can send another 10,000 or 20,000 troops but what happens when this fails and the Republicans start running on “Obama mismanaged the war we could be doing better”?

Then Obama is going to have to find a way to massively escalate and this won’t be popular at all.

59. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Chambliss tops Martin by more than 20 points.

I heard earlier, but don’t know if it improved, that turn out was light.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

56- How about “deconstructives”?

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

The donk, it LOOOVES you!:

Reid noted that “In the summertime, because (of) the high humidity and how hot it gets here, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol. “And that may be descriptive but it’s true. Well, that is no longer going to be necessary.”

Realizing that this seemed more suited for the opening of the Roman Senate under Augustus, he added: “My staff has always said, ‘Don’t say this,’ but I’m going to say it again because it’s so descriptive because it’s true.” Methinks that Reid should listen to his staff.

The only thing missing was members with perfumed, lacey handkerchiefs over their mouths prodding citizens out of their way with riding crops . . . and of course Madame Thérèse Defarge stitching a new name into her knitting.

62. marisacat - 2 December 2008

such a perfect story…

63. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

49 Madman in re HC
One one hand, Obama’s courting the evangelicals was a smart tacitcal move. -HCFM

I have to disagree … going anywhere near those fucking psychos is a bad, bad idea.-MitM

Substantively its a wreck, tactically it seems like a wash with the Pod People of Faith prolly copulating more on Election Night out of “Duty” …than all the fucking masses Boinking for Barack….
Oh, Well…

Nov 17th, According to David Paul Kuhn, on the Jesus Mary and Joseph beat evidently at Politico –
No gain for Obama with Religious Whites

Hmm. “Religious Whites” Yep that’s a parse from

Kuhn’s earlier, Nov 1 Politico Piece
No gain for Obama with Churchgoers

The Distinction is hardly lost on the Catholic Bishops, who at this point have more to worry about in losing the grip on their Hispanic Salvation, the Donations of course…

No wonder the Men In Dresses are up in arms about other Men in Dresses, Women in Suits and Obama, both Empty Suit and Naked Antichrist. As genuinely hateful that their motivations are, it sure brings in the MONEY.

Obams Faith Play seems Prête à Porter™
right off this Season’s PTB rack since used goods wouldn’t sell.
Something old , Something New, Nowhere left to Borrow, Turn it Blue.

Soon we’ll be treated to the selection of Obams New Church..

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

I couldn’t resist combining Viscount Reid’s flutterings with DeMint’s ravings in a little quickie post.

65. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

The R’s don’t run in certain places in NJ because of DEALS.
just like the D’s downstate are Poached Shit on Toast.
Incumbants buy and sell Challengers wholesale at a State Level (at least – see D Trip below) they do it wherever they can and what you see is the piddling disagreements over the remains. Most challengers Still LOSE. Not even close to 50/50.

The action mostly is for those seats straying from the fold – (Denny K was a perfect examp of what they were willing to do to him this cycle in OH). Other than that, the only genuine backlash is reserved for Patent Assholes, Crooks on Tape, the occasional Peeping Tom.
Even then, It’s A Fucking Miracle!© , LOL, when a guy like Stevens loses in Alaska..

Open Seats see more organic runs, many of those still brokered too. Hell, Trippi was doing media this cycle for a targetted DCCC where the D nom was Big Tobacco, had donated to the opponent in cycles past. Everyone loves a show, even Joe when he’s gettin PAID.

In PA it’s as bad if not worse, with Rendell’s gambling cabal having just sold a Repub AG and State Senate seats in exchange, no doubt, for a pending investigation blowing over. The Repub AG won his re-elec when Obam blew out the state.. now the AG is saying there may have been Republican Improprieties as well. Go figure…

They’ll sweep it under the rug, call it a day…

66. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Kerry iirc got about 24 pts of the evangel vote. ob got a tiny tiny slice more. And spent millions. It filled reams of space in print and jabber jaws on TeeVee played it up. Soemthing to talk about.

but election night 2006 Begala screamed with joy that Dems ogt 36% of the evangel vote. Of course by the nexxt day, no such thing.

it’s kind of thin.

Lost in a cartoon…

67. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Oh don’t make me scream with laughter.

Open Seats see more organic runs, many of those still brokered too. Hell, Trippi was doing media this cycle for a targetted DCCC where the D nom was Big Tobacco, had donated to the opponent in cycles past. Everyone loves a show, even Joe when he’s gettin PAID.

Poor Lessig.. he will weep large wet tears. He has stopped work in Net Nutrality to partner with Trippi (I guess Lessig lacks eyes and ears?) to work on Change Congress.

No, really. I was appalled at his gibberish even before I knew Trippi was involved. Few seats are ever competitive. And Lessig things he is politically astute.

Trippi… a man for years down in Lessig’s neck ‘o the woods. Dripping grease and lies. An operative.

Little Lessig… fully orgasmic for Ob. (he ws on Rose about a week ago, it was fully embarrassing)

What a con it all is.

68. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

FYI the bad trip was in OH.

69. BooHooHooMan - 2 December 2008

He was fully in on it too. I’d just love to know what happened to Howard’s 40 million in Iowa…
prolly buried next to Hoffa.
.
.
. in Trips back yard…

70. marisacat - 2 December 2008

Geesh Howard.

From the undercover films that Ross and ABC did at the DNC in Denver (they did the same at the RNC) Howard greeting the richest 100 donors to the Dems this cycle in a private room at the stadium, dressed in tapestries from what I could see (the walls of the room, I mean), Howard is a fucking butler for the party.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 December 2008

Lessig used to do good work. Now he’s another supplicant working to deliver virgins to the swami.

sigh.

72. marisacat - 2 December 2008

LOL Always good to watch a story fully round out

Officials said drug paraphernalia, including syringes, was recovered from the scene of the attacks, which killed almost 200 people.

The heavily built men, who had undergone training at a special marine camp established by the Lashkar-e-Taibat (LeT) terrorist group in Pakistan, had also used steroids to build a tougher physique.

“We found injections containing traces of cocaine and LSD left behind by the terrorists and later found drugs in their blood,” said one official.

“There was also evidence of steroids, which isn’t uncommon in terrorists.

“These men were all toned, suggesting they had been doing some heavy training for the attacks. This explains why they managed to battle the commandos for over 50 hours with no food or sleep.” ::snip::

73. marisacat - 2 December 2008

71

I would expect epople will drift away from his site. At least when I stopped in and poked around after his Rose drop in, some were catching on. Not that it means much. his Ob slobber is thoroughly bizarre. With that sort it IS a cult.

74. BooHooHooMan - 3 December 2008

speaking of the Terror of Dope.

Reading that pdf of the koswhacks
saved in its entirety on FSZ– LOL- is simply too good to pass up. 463 pages- nearly half a kilo.

Here I thought I’d lay off the Blog Skag.

Better ‘n the Pentagon Papers. LOL..

75. marisacat - 3 December 2008

nu thred…

LINK

………………………. 8) …………………….

76. ms_xeno - 3 December 2008

Madman, #33:

…I think that is more the province of the writers/artists themselves.

Writers/artists need all the help they can get. Relying in a market-driven economy on only the current CBLDF model is like trying to tie your shoe with one hand, IMHO. You have two hands, so use them goddamnit.

I’m personally sick and tired of ugly shit being trotted out and peddled just for the sake of a buck and then being held up to the mass media as the definitive commentary on the First Amendment. It’s not. It’s the definitive commentary of how fettered, top-down capitalism mates with overzealous law enforcement to produce a bunch of overhyped “storytelling” that’s no better on an aesthetic level than inky toilet paper.

Gaiman’s and Alan Moore’s work, to name just two creators, have explored those topics in their work. (Interestingly, many of the artists who do are brits … )

Gaiman’s overrated, for reasons that have little to do with his content and a lot to do with how airlessly pretentious I frequently find his shtick. Though I do own one book he did with McKean. Moore I haven’t read in years, but I’ve liked him before.

I’m partial to people like Howard Cruse, Allison Bechdel, and Alex Robinson so far as adult content with a soul goes. All Americans, though I haven’t kept up with what’s around these days. Dylan Horrocks, who wrote my most favorite graphic novel ever, Pickle is said to be slaving away for eons now on some erotic book or another. In general I find the term “erotic” to be a warning that even talented people can sometimes make you feel like you’ve OD’D on cake and champagne (sometimes it’s good quality cake and champagne, but you wouldn’t want to live on that) — but it’s Horrocks, so I’ll probably at least look at it once– if it ever gets published.


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