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Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, UK.


On The Campaign Trail

In this image, clay head molds of U.S. presidential candidates Sen. John McCain and Sen. Barack Obama, are displayed at Madame Tussaud’s Studios in London, Monday Oct. 23, 2008. The artists studied hundreds of photos and watched hours of video footage to create the clay head molds, and will use their research to ultimately finish the figures as well. The figure creation process is incredibly intricate, with artists inserting each strand of hair individually, creating just the head of the wax figure can take up to five weeks alone. Materials, such as red silk, are used to create the veins on the eyeballs and knotted rope is used to create the look of veins.
(Madame Tussauds, via AP)

Luv the chit chat on veins…



1. marisacat - 6 December 2008

LOL David Horowitz. Last three grafs. He’s luving the Obama moves and picks. No really. I got it from Angry Arab.

2. Hair Club for Men - 6 December 2008

LOL David Horowitz.

Reading that thread made my brain hurt, especially this guy (you say you want a revolution?):

VERY soon, they are simply going to tell Obama and his supporters that they don’t recognize their authority anymore. With the most heavily armed populace in human history spread over an incredible distance, and distance impossible to hold by any military…..what can they do?

A country like ours requires the vast majority of people cooperate and work together, most of the time. It can’t work any other way. Obama has undermined this to an extreme extent. You see it everywhere in our economy and in the extreme hatred directed toward the man outside any area without high minority populations.

To be blunt. He is not MY president. Increasingly, the US is not MY government. I refuse to cooperate anymore. Millions upon millions agree with me. Obama may have won by a modest majority but still it is only basically half the population. But the other half simply won’t accept him as president and won’t accept a conversion of our democracy into some sick form of marxism. It won’t take much before those sentiments are acted on. We have months, not years.

But I think the point is obvious. “Movement conservativism” is dead and isn’t anything to be afraid of. There will be a lot of fear mongering about people like the one quoted above in order to head off criticism of Obama. But Horowitz is just a joke. He can’t even hold his own “base”. The hard right is in complete and pathetic disarray.

3. Intermittent Bystander - 6 December 2008

Wowza – what an image!

Presidential prosthetics!

4. marisacat - 6 December 2008

Read a thread over at Movement Kos lately?

Don’t make me laugh TOO hard.

I never buy the labels people put on themselves. That side the Other side. The Whatever side.

5. marisacat - 6 December 2008

Down to saving Kabul?

KABUL, Afghanistan — Most of the additional American troops arriving in Afghanistan early next year will be deployed near the capital, Kabul, American military commanders here say, in a measure of how precarious the war effort has become.

It will be the first time that American or coalition forces have been deployed in large numbers on the southern flank of the city, a decision that reflects the rising concerns among military officers, diplomats and government officials about the increasing vulnerability of the capital and the surrounding area.

It also underscores the difficult choices confronting American military commanders as they try to apportion a limited number of forces not only within Afghanistan, but also between Afghanistan and Iraq. ::snip::

6. Hair Club for Men - 6 December 2008

Read a thread over at Movement Kos lately?

They’re celebrating Nancy Pelosi’s underdog victory over Cindy Sheehan.


And alerting the world to the menace posed by David Sirota and Ben Affleck.

One thing I will admit about the right wingers at Horowitz’s site, they do a better fantasy of violent revolution than the left does.

The left thinks you organize big protests behind police barricades that suddenly turn into (undoubtedly color coded) mass insurrections.

The right actually talks about getting out the Constitutionally protected firearms and shooting it out with the Sea Smurfs.


7. marisacat - 6 December 2008

Three people ran agaisnt La Nan… neither SF Chron nor the SJ Mercury ever acknowleged them. NOR did the major alternative media in SF, THe SF Bay Guardian.. tho it endorsed Sheehan. No interviews and no reports but a single blog entry that I found at some point.

8. Hair Club for Men - 6 December 2008

This looks promising. I’ve been reading about this on Indymedia sites and now it’s a featured Yahoo headline.


CHICAGO – Workers who got three days’ notice that their factory was shutting its doors have occupied the building and say they won’t go home without assurances they’ll get severance and vacation pay.

About 250 union workers occupied the Republic Windows and Doors plant in shifts Saturday while union leaders outside criticized a Wall Street bailout they say is leaving laborers behind.

9. Hair Club for Men - 6 December 2008

Another interesting Yahoo article.


The investigative Truth and Reconciliation Commission has thus far verified more than two dozen mass killings of leftists and supposed sympathizers, among at least 100,000 people estimated to have been hastily shot and dumped into makeshift trenches, abandoned mines or the sea after communist North Korea invaded the south in June 1950.

This was actually pretty commonly known among US troops in Korea. Not that they knew any of the specifics but there were always rumors and conspiracy theories and grumbling about it.

I grew up listening to my grandfather talk about it. But it never made it into the general historical consciousness. And most of the Korean war vets I heard talk about this generalized it into racism against Koreans (as in “those animals killed their own people”).

This is the really damning part.

Other once-secret files show that a U.S. Army lieutenant colonel reported giving approval to the killing of 3,500 political prisoners by a South Korean army unit he was advising in Busan, if the North Koreans approached that southern port city, formerly spelled Pusan.

10. marisacat - 6 December 2008

Nir Rosen has a piece up in Times Online:

[A]s we wait at the petrol station, Shafiq and Ibrahim display no indignation; to them, a military battle is a routine inconvenience. They buy a syrupy fizzy drink called Energy. Two green armoured personnel carriers from Nato zip by, racing towards Kabul. Shafiq and Ibrahim laugh: it looks like the coalition forces are fleeing the battle.

After an hour, the fighting ends and we get back in the car. A few minutes later, we pass the broken remains of a British supply convoy. Dozens of trucks — some smouldering, others still ablaze — line the side of the road, which is strewn with huge chunks of blasted asphalt. Finally, as night falls, after another checkpoint, we reach Ghazni province.

“From now on, it’s all Taliban territory,” Ibrahim says. “The Americans and police don’t come here at night.”

Shafiq laughs: “The Russians were stronger than the Amer-icans. More fierce. We will put the Americans in their graves.” ::snip::

11. marisacat - 6 December 2008

I would say he tucked Ob in… and got a job out of it.

[B]ut it was the financial crisis, or a series of phone calls about it, that almost instantly resuscitated Mr. Summers’s career.

Starting last summer, as economics came to the forefront of the presidential campaign, Mr. Obama faced constant decisions on the subject. Mr. Summers’s allies in the campaign put Mr. Summers on the phone, giving him a key task: to synthesize the developments for Mr. Obama. Mr. Summers made himself into an essential guide, Obama aides say, and earned a place in the administration. ::snip::

Might as well laugh… I was about to say Jodi Kantor got paid for this puff piece, but of course she did… :

As the financial crisis bloomed, Mr. Furman gave Mr. Summers a crucial task: introducing Mr. Obama’s internal conference calls on the economy by quickly summarizing the developments. The results were masterpieces of synthesis and concision, several participants said.

“I could tell, just being on the call,” Mr. Rubin said, “Obama got used to Larry bringing it all together.”

Mr. Obama sometimes asked questions other advisers struggled to answer, but Mr. Summers always seemed to provide new detail or analysis, making gracious references to the points of others.::snip::

LOL we’ll be lucky to survive the mess we are in.

12. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Wm Jefferson in LA went down, fwiw...

” With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Cao had almost 50 percent of the vote to Jefferson’s 47 percent.

The 2nd Congressional district, in and around New Orleans, is mostly African-American and heavily Democratic, and Jefferson appeared to be favored to win re-election going into the election.

“The people of the second district were able to transcend party, transcend race,” Cao said after claiming victory Saturday night.”

13. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Dozens of NATO Supply Trucks Torched in Pakistan

Published: December 7, 2008

Filed at 2:35 a.m. ET

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — Suspected militants attacked a Pakistan transport terminal used to supply NATO and U.S. troops in Afghanistan, killing a guard and burning 106 vehicles on Sunday.

The assault was the boldest yet on trucks carrying critical supplies to foreign troops in Afghanistan, feeding concern that Taliban militants could cut or seriously disrupt the route through the famed Khyber Pass.

Up to 75 percent of the supplies for Western forces in the landlocked country pass through Pakistan after being unloaded from ships at the Arabian sea port of Karachi.

14. mattes - 7 December 2008

Last Stand at Kabul–movie title.

Dozens of NATO Supply Trucks Torched in Pakistan–this vulnerability was written about in Asia Times months ago. Somethings are just so predictable.

Putin must be grinning.

15. mattes - 7 December 2008

The latest from the holy lands:

Hebron settlers accuse IDF of collective punishment


….sleepless in seattle.

16. marisacat - 7 December 2008


I remember that one at ATImes mattes, I had posted it then. Sometime in Nov they also had an article on how many roads are compromised in Aghanistan… posted that too.

War is not a laughing matter.. but about a year or so into this fucked mess… Harper’s had a long report. I thought it revealing, we had nto even been able to knock the Taliban off the radio. For about two months in the wake of our invasion, air bombing. Then they were back on.

Pretty clear where this was all headed.

17. mattes - 7 December 2008

India sets sights on Pakistani camps
The deadly attacks in Mumbai may have provided enough impetus for India to attack militant camps inside Pakistan-administered Kashmir, according to a senior Indian official. New Delhi has already set up a federal anti-terror agency and has sought out Israel for assistance.


The war on Islam continues.

18. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

More on the Chicago takeover.


The ex-workers say they found out only three days before Friday’s closing that they would be without a job. Some of them also learned they would not get the vacation they’ve earned to date or the insurance coverage they were promised.

These grey areas are ugly. Had the company just held back wages, the workers could have gone to the state labor board but vacation days and insurance?

19. marisacat - 7 December 2008

transcript of Ob on MTP, if any one is interested. He’s back on “glide path”… retracting on those taxes on the rich… shifting on withdrawal from Iraq (by now does anyone even lift their head, I wonder.) and so on.

My economic team is examining that right now, and one of the things I’m very pleased with is how fast we’ve gotten a first-rate economic team in place—the fastest in modern history. They are busy working, crunching the numbers, looking at the macroeconomic data to make a determination as to what the size and the scope of the economic recovery plan needs to be, but it is going to be substantial.

Well maybe thirty years… rather than 8. LOL

We’ve got to have transparency, openness, fair dealing in our financial markets, and that’s an area where I think over the last eight years we’ve fallen short.

the whole thing was pretty much like that.

The piece de non resistance surely was this:

PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA: Well, I’m not going to comment on that. What I’m going to restate is a basic principle: Number one, if a country is attacked, it has the right to defend itself. I think that is universally acknowledged. The second thing is that we need a strategic partnership with all the parties in the region–Pakistan and India and the Afghan Government–to stamp out the kind of militant, violent, terrorist extremists that have set up base camps and that are operating in ways that threaten the security of everybody in the international community. And as I said before, we can’t continue to look at Afghanistan in isolation. We have to see it as part of a regional problem that includes Pakistan, includes India, includes Kashmir, includes Iran. And part of the kind of foreign policy I want to shape is one in which we have tough, directed policy combined with more effective military operations, focused on what is the number one threat against U.S. interests and U.S. lives, and that’s Al Qaeda and their various affiliates, and we are going to go after them fiercely in the years to come.

You bet we are. Down every gully and into every cave. Bunker busters for everyone! what ever makes the MIC happy. Check.


as for the Chicago revolt… insurance and paid vacation, which is earned, are covered by state and federal regs. Which is not to say that people don’t get shafted, they do. But by this act of sit ins, or whatever the appropriate term is, they may get some oversight. They certainly are required to give proper notice of a lay off (think it is 60 days, they said).. and they did not.


Elsewhere I see that one of the pre orgasmics for Ob, David Corn, has a lament in the Wapo. LOL.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

A Car Dealer Explains Why the Bailout is a Raw Deal

A brief conversation I had earlier this week with a car dealership executive while standing in a post office line demonstrated simply both why the bank deregulation and consolidation process of the past two decades has been a screw job for ordinary people, and why the Washington bailout has been both a taxpayer rip-off and a failure (if it was even intended to work!).

I was chatting with the guy standing behind me who works at one of the 14 dealerships in a Philadelphia-area regional family-owned chain of GM dealerships called Bergey’s. Noting that a number of big dealers like Knopf (a Chrysler Dealer) and McGarrity’s (Ford) had been closing, I asked this Bergey’s manager if the problem was that the banks had frozen lending, making it hard for people to buy new cars.

He laughed. “There’s no problem getting car loans from the small community banks around our dealerships,” he said. “They’ve got plenty of money to lend, and they’re happy to lend it to car buyers. The problem is that people are too worried about the economy and about their jobs to go out and buy a new car.”

This brings me to that feeding frenzy of bank deregulation I mentioned earlier. The whole idea of allowing the creation of national banks like Citibank and Bank of America and Wells Fargo, and of going one step further and allowing banks to merge with brokerages and insurance companies, which began in earnest during the Clinton administration and went ballistic in the Bush administration, was deceptively marketed to the public as being “good for the consumer.” The come-on was that by allowing state and regional banks to merge into national institutions, and by allowing them to add investment banking and insurance operations, consumers would get more services from their bank and have the supposed “advantage” of “one-stop shopping” at their bank.

Anyone who watched it happen, however, saw how bogus that claim was. I lived in New York City as it was going on, and as banks like Citibank bought up their competitors, fees began to appear for services that had no fees before, like checking and even passbook savings, savings accounts began to require minimum deposits, CD interest rates fell as penalties proliferated, and small loans became harder to get. Some banks actually began to state, at least to analysts and to reporters in the financial press, that they were no longer interested in serving “small” clients, and were instituting measures designed to discourage them or drive existing small clients away.

Soon, it was impossible in many neighborhoods of New York to find a bank to serve ordinary people.

As a matter of fact, these big banks don’t even help when it comes to “big bank”-type stuff. Consider international finance activities like foreign currency exchange. When my wife, a harpsichordist, came home last week from a month-long tour of performances in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau, she had with her $1000 worth of Taiwanese currency—the fee for a gig that she had not had time to change into US currency while in Taiwan or Hong Kong, where such transactions are commonplace and inexpensive. Back in Philadelphia, we called around to the big commercial banks—all global institutions—to see if they could change the money. They could, but at absurd cost. Take Citibank. That institution said it would only change up to $700 worth of bills unless my wife had an account with them, and in any event, it was offering a rate of 39.5 Taiwanese dollars to one US dollar—way worse than the posted rate that day of 33.5/1. In other words, they were willing to change up to $700 worth of currency, but at a cost of 18%, plus a $10 fee! That means they’re making 35% on a two-way conversion of currency! Thanks a lot! The other banks were no better.

21. marisacat - 7 December 2008

The link to the Corn weep

22. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

as for the Chicago revolt… insurance and paid vacation, which is earned, are covered by state and federal regs. Which is not to say that people don’t get shafted, they do. But by this act of sit ins, or whatever the appropriate term is, they may get some oversight. They certainly are required to give proper notice of a lay off (think it is 60 days, they said).. and they did not.

And upaid employees are basically creditors right? Dunno. I’m not a labor lawyer. What happens when a company declares bankruptcy?

If the police try to remove them in a certain president elect’s hometown with the coverage this is getting? That might spark something as the recession starts rolling over the whole country.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008


Perhaps Obama is trying to pull off something subtle — a sort of stealth liberalism draped in bipartisan centrism. But it’s understandable that progressives are worried.

RFLMAO! Sure, THAT’S gonna happen.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Rev. Jesse Jackson meets with laid-off workers

Jackson’s Chicago-based Rainbow PUSH Coalition says he’s trying to help get Republic’s creditor, the Bank of America, to reinstate its line of credit and save around 300 jobs.

Carrying signs that read “Bank of America: Don’t Steal Christmas,” workers at the North Side manufacturer continued their protest Saturday after the company shut its doors on three days’ notice because the bank canceled its line of credit.

Republic Windows & Doors closed Friday after being in business since 1965. Members of the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers, which represents 260 workers at the company’s Goose Island plant, have taken shifts at a sit-in at the plant, 1333 N. Hickory Ave., since Friday.

The union said the bank is not letting the company pay workers their vacation and severance pay. In addition, the union said they were not given 60 days’ notice of a mass layoff, as required by federal law.

“They’re throwing people out on the street with three days’ notice, penniless,” said Leah Fried, an organizer with United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers.

The company told employees Tuesday that its main lender, Bank of America, had canceled its line of credit because of a severe downturn in business at the plant.

25. marisacat - 7 December 2008

And Corn is about the 200th person to offer that religious interpretation. Believers. LOL.

”Magical Negro”, as Davd E said in his LAT opinion piece March 2007….. but all the blogsnotteries could call David Ehrenstein was was “racist”. The very same thing Rush Limbaugh called the piece. As did “liberal” commentators. Last I looked he, DE, was black, jewish and whatever else.

I think the greatest tedium is the flatness of response to everything. Locked in by TV and punditry. Flat.

26. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

That’s the same line Steve Clemons was using on Democracy Now.


Obama kind of carved out a McCain-like position on Pakistan, on the role and future of the Pentagon. He actually wanted to increase the size of the military force, etc. I think we are going to see a lot of Pentagon hugging strategies from this group. What is interesting though, it is not a status quo preserving group. I think if you were to imagine some of the big Nixon goes to China moments that this country needs, particularly with Iran, with countries like Cuba, delivering on Syria and getting on a Libya- like tracks, this team seems to me more able to do that kind of thing than many other assemblies.

Dunno why these guys are being so clueless.

I still think McCain’s losing was a good thing but there’s a real difference between thinking that Obama’s winning makes it easier to organize on the left and actually expecting him to do anything.

A best case scenarior, it would seem to me would look something like this.

(From corporate America’s perspective) Obama’s job is to control the labor bureacrats.

(From Obama’s perspective) The labor bureaucrats are there to control the workers.

(From corporate America’s perspective) Obama’s job is also to squeeze the workers. At some point, you squeeze the workers so hard that they rebel. Then the labor bureaucrats and, in turn, Obama have to give concessions before things get out of hand (either that or use out and out repression).

If things really do get out of hand, Obama has to make concessions very quickly and start squeezing the corprorate class or he has to roll out the troops.

27. marisacat - 7 December 2008


there are different kinds of bankrutpcy. I don’t know what type the business has declared.

28. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

There’s an open Senate seat in Illinois.

Challenge Jesse Jackson Jr. to campaign for it at the site of the factory sit in.

If he won’t, what are the rules for Senate appointments?

Is there any third party candidate who can go down to the site and campaign for the Senate seat?

29. marisacat - 7 December 2008


LOL he’ll say he is from hawai’i … or Indonesia. A staff person was mistaken and said he was from Chicago. he’ll side step it somehow.

If MTP had traction or was in any way real, he would have been asked about it today.

30. marisacat - 7 December 2008

well frankly Gettelfinger does not make “labor” look any smarter than the 20 mil a year hogs that lined up in front of the government pay hogs in the hearing room.

I am calling for cannibal hogs. Send all these shits to a factory farm and let reality take over. In the pens.

31. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

LOL he’ll say he is from hawai’i … or Indonesia.

He’ll produce a Kenyan birth certificate and get on a plane to Nairobi?

It strikes me that the absolute best case scenario over the next year (and I’m not fooling myself that it’s likely) would be a rolling wave of takeovers like this supported by mass protests on the scale of May 1, 2006.

I think there was probably more central planning for those protests than most people think but you could still work around the labor bureaucrats using Myspace, Facebook, etc.

32. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Fineman says Don’t Worry Be Happy Ob is Selling Brands. Ingredient brands, driver brands, legacy brands.

As I said, I am calling for shipping all these perfumed and periwigged louts (that includes political leadership) to factory farms.

33. marisacat - 7 December 2008

LOL He’s all about saving the greenback. Suuuure.

Some of the unknown policy tyros and campaign diehards hoping to get in on the ground floor if Obama won now find themselves hardly in the building. “We are getting layered by all of the people who have been around politics forever,” one complained to me (anonymously, so as not to hurt what chances there may be). But Obama seems to have concluded that, from every direction, he needs help boosting the global brand he’s most concerned about these days: it’s green and off-white with old-fashioned numerals and an engraved portrait of George Washington front and center.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Spying on Pacifists, Environmentalists and Nuns

In the largest known effort, the Pentagon monitored at least 186 lawful protests and meetings – including church services and silent vigils – in California and other states.

The military also compiled more than 2,800 reports on Americans in a database of supposed terrorist threats. That program, known as TALON, was ordered closed in 2007 after it was exposed in news reports.

The Maryland operation also has ended, but critics still question why police spent hundreds of hours spying on Quakers and other peace groups in a state that reported more than 36,000 violent crimes last year.

Stephen Sachs, a former state attorney general, investigated the scandal for Gov. Martin O’Malley – a Democrat elected in 2006. He concluded that state police had violated federal regulations and “significantly overreached.”

According to Sachs’ 93-page report and other documents, state police launched the operation in March 2005 out of concern that the planned execution of a convicted murderer might lead to violent protests.

They sent Lucy to join local activists at Takoma Park’s Electrik Maid, a funky community center popular with punk rockers and slam poets. Ten people attended the gathering, including a local representative from Amnesty International.

“The meeting was primarily concerned with getting people to put up fliers and getting information out to local businesses and churches about the upcoming events,” the undercover officer reported later. “No other pertinent intelligence information was obtained.”

That proved true for all 29 meetings, rallies and protests that Lucy ultimately attended. Most drew only a handful of people, and none involved illegal or disruptive actions.

35. marisacat - 7 December 2008

I think there was probably more central planning for those protests than most people think but you could still work around the labor bureaucrats using Myspace, Facebook, etc.

The planning was discussed at the time. Spanihs language radio, they went around politicans…tho they did in some ways cut the Church in. Archbishop Mahoney played it up. Then seemed to step back.

The boomerang payback (because old print media was quite nice, at the itme, LOL, they simply waited and as one person reminded me, no one wants to screw with Latino enlistment) was the hideous vicious raids that have been almost non stop. And not too much from Mahoney. Must be busy diddling boys.

Reports are mixed, but it seems that a significant number of illegals have vaporised, back over the border. Some reports say fewer come. But not too many reports because god knows we have pinned our soul of liberty on that fucking wall.

So it is all a mixed bag. I hope for a breathru someday.

36. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Oh this will sting.

New figures show that the economic crisis has pushed Britain well down the international league table.

The UK is now the sixth largest economy in the world, behind America, Japan, China, Germany and France.

Economists said the fall reflected the pound’s slump to record lows against the euro.

A year ago the UK economy was 8 per cent bigger than that of France, measured by gross domestic product (GDP).

Now it is 14 per cent smaller, according to figures from the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR).

“An overvalued sterling has inflated the UK’s claims to be among the top five world economies,” said Ben Read, an economist with the CEBR. ::weep weep::

LOL if CA does not place in the top 10, on its own, we will be weeping. Too.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

wow, below FRANCE?!?! You can almost hear the wailing clear across the Atlantic.

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39. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

In another post about Rev JJ visiting the strikers, I found:

The Illinois WARN Act, signed by Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004, requires employers to give 60 days notice to employees and their unions, the Illinois Department of Commerce & Economic Opportunity’s Bureau of Workforce Development and the Illinois Department of Labor, of a plant closing or mass layoff.

I wasn’t clear on where the 60 day thing was coming from.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

oops, screwed up the blockquotes

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42. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Hell. Maybe they could post


As a rule. Tentative. Try it out for a week see if the gaseous hogs could do it.

Website http://www.cigaraficionado.com says Gerald Ford, who served from 1974-77, was the last U.S. president to use tobacco on a regular basis. The White House no-smoking rule was imposed by former First Lady Hillary Clinton, now Obama’s nominee for secretary of state.

It was Carter that cut off the hard liquor in the WH. he wanted to cut wine too, but someone forcibly stopped him.

LOL. Truly the American people should live with their Jesuses. All of them.

I don’t even smoke, but you gotta love their priorities. Preaching first. Keep your hand in the till and your thumb on the scale.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

who the fuck cares is he smokes? They don’t seem to care that Bush is occasionally photographed with drinks in his hand (which I don’t care about either, but …).

Jeez, I don’t care if he has orgies while stoned on hashish … if he does his fucking job.

44. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Well, they all – the Obs – swore on Bibles they are the Cleavers. Which has so many jokes inside it…

45. marisacat - 7 December 2008

I have to say when Carter cut the hard liquor I laughed like hell. From grizzled old media types and industry people to ambassadors. No highball for you sir!

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008
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48. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

In one way, not bad on Obama’s part.


“When it comes to the situation here in Chicago with the workers who are asking for their benefits and payments they have earned, I think they are absolutely right,” Obama said Sunday at a news conference announcing his new Veterans Affairs director. “What’s happening to them is reflective of what’s happening across this economy.

A head of state coming out and openly supporting a factory takeover? That’s not something I could imagine from Reagan.

But of course he doesn’t acknowledge that his (and McCain’s) “bailout” could more accurately be called “squeezing workers to support bankers” and that he’s partly respnosible for these people not getting paid in the first place.

In another way, he sounds a bit like Bush talking about the “bad intelligence” that “led us into Iraq.”

When you have a financial system that is shaky, credit contracts. Businesses large and small start cutting back on their plants and equipment and their workforces. That’s why it’s so important for us to maintain a strong financial system.

49. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

I think this NY Times editorial is probably right.


The Mormons pushed Proposition 8 through but the resulting fallout was to make the split between blacks and gays a lot worse.

They came to the polls in record numbers to support Barack Obama, and they brought with them a fiercely held and enduring antipathy toward homosexuality: 7 in 10 blacks voted in support of traditional marriage. Whether that was the game-changer or not is a question for near-constant debate. Many gay activists have begun quietly to suggest that had Hillary Clinton been the Democratic nominee, Prop 8 would not have passed.

50. NYCO - 7 December 2008

Stealth liberalism.

If I had a dollar for every time I’d heard of this concept in the past ten years. And jiu-jitsu. The relentless search for hidden meanings in politicians’ very clear actions and intentions. A curious malady of the white male intellectual (or those just playing the home game).

I once worked with a guy who was very sharp, well-read, and a deep skeptic about a lot of things… but oh he loved his X-Files. And not just for the jokes or chemistry — no, he was a True Believer in some sort of grand and brilliantly convoluted long-term story arc that was going to have a big payoff at the end in which all loose ends would be neatly tied up.

I’m not mocking the search for meaning; I believe it is part of the human condition. I just wonder what people’s threshold for bullshit is. When do they finally give up and try something else?

51. marisacat - 7 December 2008

7 in 10 blacks voted in support of traditional marriage.

This has been disproved over and over again. It was drawn by CNN from a ridiculously small sampling. Which is not to say that black churches (and Mormon and Catholic and evangelical and rinky dink storefrotns and fucking religious communes of nuts) did not hideously preach for Prop 8 and against humanism.

They did. it was religion that won Prop 8.


Sorry for delay on moderated snags. I had to shut down and reboot several times.. think it is a cache problem. ugh.

52. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

I’m not mocking the search for meaning; I believe it is part of the human condition. I just wonder what people’s threshold for bullshit is. When do they finally give up and try something else?

Well, in this case it will come when there are actual grassroots social movements that have enough clout to influence the political establishment.

Hoping for some sort of “stealth liberalism” is simply a form of passivity. It’s worse than the idea that a network of websites can “push the political establishment to the left” since at least the latter assumes some kind of active role on your part.

Nobody on the “left” in the late 1960s cared whether or not Nixon really had a “secret plan” to end the war in Vietnam because they were mobilizing millions of people to protest the war in Vietnam.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008
54. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

This has been disproved over and over again. It was drawn by CNN from a ridiculously small sampling.

What was the actual percentage of blacks who voted for Proposition 8?

55. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

But Obama COULD bridge the conflict between the two groups by giving a speech on “black homophobia” similar to the one he gave on race back during the Jeremiah Wright fiasco.

After all, he did give a speech on deadbeat black fathers.

56. marisacat - 7 December 2008

He points to the fact that in his black fathers ‘come home why dontcha’ shit.. (page 15 A of the Wapo has the same slobber today, quoteing Moynihan, Ob is such a breakthru) that he also tells them to be nice to the gays. he says this is doing a lot. Maybe he sprinkles out that DNA when he preaches.

And he tells the gays, when they ask why he declines interviews to gay publications and groups (he gave one in the dead of the night to Advocate, I linked to it at the time, it was hilarious, he said the Fed governemnt leads and has lead on Civil Rights), that he does more and better. He tells blacks to come home ot the chilluns and be nice to the gays. Then he tells the gay critics that he does that.

Come on, keep up with Ob. He plays the same games with all groups. It’s a s l o w game but it sells.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Royalty must stick together:

Hillary Clinton — A Champion for Human Security by Queen Noor of Jordan

Hillary Clinton will be a strong, effective Secretary of State in the new Obama administration.

I observed first hand her commitment to peace and justice during the presidency of Bill Clinton, when Jordan’s King Hussein, my late husband, and I worked closely with the Clintons in an attempt to achieve a Middle East peace. When they take office next year, I know that President-elect Obama and she quickly will begin looking for ways to bring security to Israel and justice to Palestinians, including four to six million Palestinian refugees.

In the Senate, Mrs. Clinton has worked hard to protect other displaced populations, including those from Iraq and Darfur. Just two weeks ago, I was part of a delegation from Refugees International that met with Sen. Clinton to discuss the need for a comprehensive plan to deal with five million displaced Iraqis, one fifth of the country’s population. Nearly two million of the displaced Iraqis have sought refuge in Syria and Jordan, while the rest have fled their homes and violence within Iraq.

I know the utter despair and hopelessness of both Palestinian and Iraqi refugee families, having lived and worked with both communities over the past 30 years through the Noor al Hussein Foundation and other Jordanian institutions.

Sen. Clinton has introduced legislation to help displaced Iraqis. In the Obama administration she and her colleagues will have to come up with a comprehensive plan to help Iraqis return to a safe and secure Iraq as U.S. troops withdraw. This will be a challenge, but she understands that displaced Iraqis threaten the stability of Iraq, as well as the stability of the region, and potentially beyond.

All typed by her PR assistant w/ a straight face, I’m sure.

58. marisacat - 7 December 2008


Go look up the diary that Shannika did at Dkos on the sampling that produced, quick as propaganda, the 7 in 10. Once it made it ot mainstream media it was used over and over again. Because it served a purpose.

If you want to believe that because you read it, fine.

Or, spend some time at the interactive maps, LAT or SofS. Counties with no blacks in them went overwhelmingly for 8. YES blacks, some and church going overwhelmingly, are homophobic.
Quel news. We have ebvangelicals up the wazoo out here. Filipino, Asian mission converts… S American pentecostals..

We don’t have enough black to MATTER.

You can find it (the diary). I don’t keep links anymore, I put them here and move on. Plus I had to fully reboot from the original CDs, a few weeks ago.. what little I had saved went…

That figure appeared over night. If you cannot spot clear propaganda I sure can.

59. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

I think a lot of gay activists are actually being simplistic when they blame black homophobia on religion.

Religion’s part of it but there are secular reasons also.

1.) A racially oppressed group is usually desexualized in the dominent culture. A lot of the leftist and black nationalist culture in the 1960s was pretty violently homophobic. Blacks fear homosexuality partly because of the specter of being “unmanned” or castrated.

2.) Simple political oppression. The FBI forced MLK to distance himself from Bayard Rustin. He was never able to address the issue honestly and never tried to the way he did about Vietnam.

60. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008


Is that the correct spelling. I’m not getting anything at


and nothing is coming up on a search

61. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008
62. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Simple political oppression. The FBI forced MLK to distance himself from Bayard Rustin. He was never able to address the issue honestly and never tried to the way he did about Vietnam.

Well if you want to go back to the 60s and fight two big battles at once… when there was barely any groundwork laid for CR for the formerly enslaved.. be my guest.

Coretta came out fully, publicly, for SSM in 2005 iirc…no one cared, the black preachers sure did not carry the message. After her org was one fo the very few in the south, much less GA, that would help gays fired from jobs. For which, iirc, the majority of states have no protections.

The paucity of secular black leadership is a shame. A real one.

63. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

I skimmed shanikka’s diary.

She definitely refutes the idea that blacks were the deciding factor in Prop 8’s passing.

But I don’t see her arguing against the 70% to 30% figure.

But looking at the CNN poll, it seems they sampled 31% of white men and 6% of black women, so I guess I stand corrected.

I guess the black vs. gay split is a nice pat concept I wanted to believe.

64. marisacat - 7 December 2008

She definitely refutes the idea that blacks were the deciding factor in Prop 8’s passing.

As I said. The demographics of the state deny it. If you want to believe it was 7 out of 10, that anyone knows… go ahead.

The definitive reality was the conjoint interests of Archbishop Niederauer, who used to preside over SLC, the Elders of Utah and the big money that poured in. Less talked about is the ground game the Mormons ran. Addin evanglicals and other fundies… and .. bingo.

The lousy campaign from the No on 8 – leadership, sucked in Dems… gays lulled to believe it would come out their way, bad media, Gavin a sell out – could have been foretold. Collusion and sell out.

65. Hair Club for Men - 7 December 2008

Well, if I believed the propaganda in that NY Times editorial (and if the editorial writer believed it), I’m sure a lot of gay activists believed it too.

That makes proposition 8 a pretty good work of “divide and conquer”.

I don’t want to read through the 2000 Kos comments because I have a feeling how ugly it got.

66. marisacat - 7 December 2008

I did not say people did not believe it. HOWEVER by now it is pushing a lazy lie. Esp in an editorial in the NYT. Not that they have standards. But they are working to keep it going.

Not like division – and diversion – is new.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Americans believe all kinds of stupid shit, which is why we have the kleptocracy we have running nearly every institution in this country.

68. bayprairie - 7 December 2008

Myth of the Black Gay Divide
Sherry Wolf

The exit poll statistics from California don’t explain the more important story of why so many of California’s Black, Brown, and white citizens — who voted overwhelmingly for the first African American president by a 56 to 37 percent margin — also supported striking down civil rights for lesbians and gays.

The most critical reason was the ineffective strategy used by pro-gay marriage forces that adhered closely to the Democratic Party — and Barack Obama’s — equivocal position on the issue.

While formally opposing Prop 8, both Obama and his running mate Joe Biden were vocal throughout the campaign about their personal discomfort with and opposition to same-sex marriage.

Despite the unprecedented and astonishing sums of money raised to fight the referendum — the pro-equality side took in $43.6 million, compared with $29.8 million for the anti-gay marriage forces — the No on 8 side lost.

The statewide No on 8 Coalition didn’t use the money for a grassroots organizing campaign. It didn’t put out a call for activists to hit the phones, knock on doors, and hold rallies and actions to publicly denounce the bigotry of the measure — though in a few cases, activists took the initiative to do so on their own.


Blogger Rick Jacobs rightly challenged the campaign’s tepid approach: “[C]an there be outrage when a movement becomes a corporation? When the largest LGBT organizations look like, are staffed by former executives of, and are funded by huge corporations and huge donors, where is the movement?”

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Banking spins destruction myth: Hoocoodanode?

Rubin, when queried on his pay, answered that he could have make more elsewhere. True enough, no doubt.

But while everyone is free to take money that is on offer, that is different from saying that you have earned it, or that, in a system in which pensioners and taxpayers are the ultimate bag-holders, it is appropriate and should not be subject to regulation.

There is a similar argument on pay making the rounds: that since so many senior managers lost so much of their fortunes in the failure of companies such as Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, this demonstrates that there was not a misalignment of risks between employees, shareholders and the governments that ultimately must pick up the pieces when things go wrong.

It is very sad that so many people lost so much, but this is not even close to being an argument for continued light touch regulation. The issue is not so much that people in banking and finance have skin in the game, but that they are far from alone in having it, and that their ultimate cost of capital is in part a function of the fact that it is and has been understood that the state will step in if things
come to grief.

That argues, in my view, for stricter regulation of bank capital and of bank compensation so as to decrease the risks. That means tying compensation more closely to risks, including the risk that things that look good today go bad in three years’ time. The UBS scheme, under which bankers can “lose” money they “earn” based on various performance factors in subsequent years, is not a bad start.

Those who argue against more stringent regulation have one thing right: it is going to cost, and requiring banks to hold more capital will impose a ceiling on the speed at which the economy can easily grow. Of course, we are always regulating the last war out of existence.

70. BooHooHooMan - 7 December 2008
71. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

Decides to step up, after the national media starts paying attention:

Republic Windows workers have been staging a sit-in at the Chicago plant since Friday over vacation and severance pay they say they are owed. The company told workers on Tuesday that Bank of America canceled Republic’s line of credit because of a severe downturn in business at the plant, and that they would be out of jobs by the end of the week.

“I think that these workers, if they have earned these benefits and their pay, then these companies need to follow through on those commitments,” Obama Said at a news conference.

As union officials vowed to seek damages over the abrupt shut-down that left about 300 people jobless, people who apparently have ties to the financially strapped Republic Windows formed a limited liability corporation in Illinois last month, Echo Windows & Doors, that has bought a similar plant in western Iowa.

Sharon Gillman, who shares an address with Republic President and CEO Rich Gillman, is listed as an officer of Echo Windows & Doors LLC, which was incorporated in Illinois on Nov. 18, according to secretary of state records.

Neither she nor Rich Gillman could be reached for comment on Sunday. A secretary who answered the phone at the Iowa plant purchased by Echo said that Rich Gillman was not in on Sunday, and that she did not know when he would be in next.

Interesting if they took what was left and ran to set up a new company.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008
73. marisacat - 7 December 2008

Citing the revelation to Mary by the angel Gabriel that she would conceive a child to be born the Son of God, Wright said Mary’s disbelief was similar to the doubts some faithful shared about the future of Trinity after Wright’s retirement and the possibility of a black man being elected president.

“Our legitimate questions tend to be asked from the vantage point of limited horizons,” said Wright during the 7:30 a.m. service. “Mary had a limited horizon. She couldn’t see how it was possible.”

LOL Blame the woman. Even if she is the mother of Gawd all fucking mighty. Fortunately I never could stand the Rev Wright. Or his ilk. Even hawking weekend suburban militancy and “liberation”, as far as the collection plate.

I notice at the end he is confused as to Hiroshima dates vs Pearl Harbor dates.

Oh well he bears the weight of teaching what’s right to “god’s people” as he put it. So very busy. Busy.. busy.

74. marisacat - 7 December 2008

.. and again…

He implied that his previous use of derogatory language to describe Italians in a past sermon referred to the Roman oppression Luke condemned.

“Emperor Augustus in Rome–that’s in Italy, dizzy blond on the View,” Wright said, presumably referring to conservative television personality Elisabeth Hasselback, who has railed about Wright on the ABC daytime talk show.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 December 2008

LOL … he’s a funny one, that Reverend.

76. marisacat - 7 December 2008

new post…



77. marisacat - 7 December 2008

I trolled thru the comments to the Wright piece:

Teresa Tucker on December 7, 2008 4:26 PM

Long live Reverend Wright. He is an annointed man of God, and should be celebrated for his pophetic messages. He is a very educated and insightful preacher, and in should in no way be villified, but he should be glorified for what he has done for his community and for the United States at large. It broke my heart to see him leave Trinity, and it was a true pleasure to see him in the pulpit once again. He is what America needs because he tells the truth. The truth hurts, but Rev. keep on doing what you do. You know that there are more people for you than there are against you. May God continue to bless Reverend Wright and his family

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