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Immolation 9 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in Greece, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Viva La Revolucion!, WAR!.


Mannequins burn during riots in the northern Greek town of Thessaloniki December 8, 2008. [REUTERS/Grigoris Siamidis /GREECE]

Or… you know, the odd politician.



1. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

What did the President Elect know and when did he know it?

2. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Fitzmas took care of it. LOL

“I’m not going to speak for what the President elect was aware of,” he said. “We make no allegations that he’s aware of anything and that’s as simply as I can put it.”

3. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

I love a searchable criminal complaint in .pdf form
when, one click after typing in “motherfucker”
you get the Illinois Governor talking about ®THE PRESIDENT ELECT®.

Ain’t America Great?.

4. marisacat - 9 December 2008

A grrrreat place! Only in America!

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008

I Love The Recession Because Things That Suck Are Dying

Sharper Image, Circuit City, and Linen’s n’ Things. Suck suck and suck, dead dead and dead.

6. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Blago yesterday:

“I don’t believe there’s any cloud that hangs over me, I think there’s nothing but sunshine hanging over me,” he said.

7. marisacat - 9 December 2008

ugh we’ve almost been rid of Sharper Image (and Thalheimer the fucking nut behind it) so many times.

But it and he pop back up.

8. marisacat - 9 December 2008

In other news.. CARICOM asks for the blockade against Cuba to be lifted

“As we gather today in Cuba, the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America is still in place,” said Antigua’s Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer, the current CARICOM president, the BBC reports. “The Caribbean community hopes that the transformational change which is underway in the United States will finally relegate that measure to history.”

9. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Just saw thsi headline over at Democracy NOW, how Bush and Rove meddled in Swedish politics. To slowly wreck their social welfare system.

10. marisacat - 9 December 2008

beat goes on.. from Chicago Tribune

Since at least 2005, U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald has dug into the Blagojevich administration, looking into allegations of hiring abuses, influence-peddling and pay-to-play schemes where contracts were given to the governor’s biggest political donors.

This year’s federal trial of Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the convicted former Blagojevich fundraiser, provided alarming testimony from numerous insiders who said the governor freely spoke of rewarding contributors with state jobs and business. Christopher Kelly, the governor’s former chief fundraiser, was indicted last December on tax fraud counts tied to gambling trips to Las Vegas.

And the Tribune a week before Kelly’s indictment had reported that Patricia Blagojevich’s real estate deals were under federal scrutiny as part of the pay-to-play investigation

11. NYCO - 9 December 2008

5. Wow, where do I begin on the “things that suck are dying” list…?

–No office Christmas parties this year! (boring wastes of time you need to show up at)

–Google cutbacks mean their demon Street View car won’t be returning to take a photo of my house. (They surveyed part of my city, but then the driver seemed to say “Get me the fuck out of this burg” and just fought his way out of the county via any random road he could find. Missed my house by just a few blocks!)

–Steve and Barry’s (aka the Future Apparel For Third World Refugee Camps Shoppe).

–(hopefully) the entire HGTV slate of home-shopping and home-flipping shows.

12. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Google cutbacks mean their demon Street View car won’t be returning to take a photo of my house.

LOL I looked up my block and street, x street when Google maps ws first up. I did not even recognise my own house or street.

We’s be incognito here! Even to ourselves.

13. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

LOL -from the comments at the “things that suck are dying” link:

11:24 AM
I am from Cape Cod in Massachusetts. People move here, open a crap gift store in what was formerly someone’s home. Invariably, these gifts shops have a weird “quaint English cottage” theme, like we rag tag Cape Codders weren’t the one to send the Brits home on their asses two hundred years ago. I love the recession because The *$&#ing Cinnamon Stick is going out of business. Can Lavendar Moon be far behind? Hope the move back to Minneapolis goes smoothly, ladies.

I feel his pain. We have the same ridiculous gift shops here in northern NH. They’re all over New England, like a pestilence.

It would be much more authentic to have early Colonial gift shops that focused on what the real Colonials needed to stay alive: firewood, dried beef, salt cod, musket balls, etc. Not potpourri and scented candles.

14. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Boy Scouts:

Serving While Getting Sworn In

NY Times: Obama, Biden are considering doing community service in D.C. on Inauguration Day, asking others to do the same in their hometowns.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008

Obama, Biden are considering doing community service in D.C. on Inauguration Day

They’re gonna arrest Bush and Cheney before they leave town?

LOL … probably stand in a soup kitchen for five minutes for a photo op.

16. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Clusterstock… online ads for the NYT plummeting. hmmm.


They also have a headline that Blogojevich’s presidential plans are on hold. so very dry…


17. marisacat - 9 December 2008


kiss a baby. Pay for play.

18. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

Breezing through the netteries, I see that there are a surprising number of people who would like to believe that Rahm Emanuel called Fitz to tip him off about Blagojevich’s misdeeds.

Welcome to Fantasy Island.

19. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

oh this is Just. Not. Good. for Obama….
Such Inconvenient Truth.
and think of it –
Just today ,when
Obama meets with Al Gore:
In Chicago.
To Talk.

from the Indictment

Cari was a significant fundraiser for Democratic causes and was previously the national finance chair for Vice President Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign.

During his testimony, Cari described meetings that he had with ROD BLAGOJEVICH, Chris Kelly,Rezko, and Stuart Levine . In particular, on approximately October 29, 2003, Cari, ROD BLAGOJEVICH, Kelly, Levine and others rode on an airplane arranged by Levine to a
fundraiser in New York being hosted by Cari on behalf of ROD BLAGOJEVICH.

During the plane ride, Cari had a conversation with ROD BLAGOJEVICH. During the conversation, Cari and ROD BLAGOJEVICH discussed Cari’s fundraising background and work as a national fundraiser.

ROD BLAGOJEVICH discussed his interest in running for President of the United States. During the conversation, ROD BLAGOJEVICH informed Cari that it was easier for governors to solicit campaign contributions because governors had the ability to “award contracts” and give legal work, consulting work, and investment
banking work to campaign contributors.

Cari testified that ROD BLAGOJEVICH ended the conversation with Cari by informing Cari that Rezko and Kelly would follow up with Cari in relation to the discussion that had just occurred.

27. At one point during the October 29, 2003 New York fundraiser, Cari and Levine had a conversation. Cari testified that during the conversation, Levine informed Cari that there was a plan in place in the Blagojevich administration pursuant to which Rezko and
Kelly would pick consultants to do business with State of Illinois boards, and thereafter, the consultants would be asked to make campaign contributions.

Look – the last guy on Earth I wanted to win the Prezzy this year was Mccain.
But straight up –OBAMA’S CROOKED.

The Practical® Joke is they ALL did, from Senator Ob in Chicago
to Bill and Hill’s White House.

Ob’s Side Yard on the cheap is just a variant on the
Duke Cunningham moves. Whether you buy cheap from donors
like Obama,
and Reid,
as so many others have done
and hold the benefit FOREVER,…
or Cash Out, bagging your loot by selling legit* {LOL} assets hideously high to flush Patrons – doesn’t matter.
It’s C-R-O-O-K-E-D.

A Standing Ten Bucks, of course –
to put up ANY Impeachment diary on DK.
Twenty if it’s got “Impeach Obama” in the title. LOL.
..talk about caged squirrels going ApeShit…

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008

kiss a baby. Pay for play.

Monica thought it was a BABY?!?!

/jay leno >

21. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Rahm, I gather, is a famous leaker.. media types love him in that respect. LOL So easy to run a quick little story like that for a bud.

It is all so hilarious on one level.

I see that Blago even screwed over aspects of the good that he did… health care for children. Shook down an executive at the Childrens’ Hospital. ugh.

22. marisacat - 9 December 2008


or a cigar…

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008

High School Students Taken to Watch Another Student’s Autopsy

Waterford Kettering High School in Michigan has a curious concept of interesting learning experiences. A teacher reportedly took a class to see an autopsy of a 14-year-old girl from the Waterford Kettering middle school.

After the parents of the dead girl objected, medical examiner’s office has canceled public school tours and Mike Zehnder, the county’s director of public services, says it was “a poor decision.” A poor decision? Buying whole milk rather than two percent milk is a “poor decision.” Taking a class of kids to see another kid from their school district cut up falls into something more serious like “a colossally stupid act reserved for the mentally incompetent” category. Zehnder added “It was just an unfortunate situation.” This may be the king of the understatement. Zehnder no doubt described the Hindenburg disaster as “an unfortunate event involving a heating element.”

What most concerns me is that this colossally stupid act was committed not only by the coroner’s office (which may have limited experience with live people) but by the teachers who should be disciplined for allowing the kids to participate in such a trip. That is not going to happen. Rhonda Lessel, a Waterford School District spokeswoman, said the teacher talked to her class beforehand and asked whether the group wanted to continue. The school district appears to believe that such decision should be made by 11th and 12th graders as a group where a student will look like a wimp if he or she wants to go home. Lessel added “I believe the teacher did what she thought was in the best interest of the students.” And she was wrong . . . right? I think a really learning experience would be to watch a teacher’s disciplinary hearing and suspension.

Well, at least she wasn’t letting them read an unexpurgated copy of “Girl, Interrupted”.

24. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Madman and BHHM out of Moderation…


25. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

20 Shook down an executive at the Childrens’ Hospital. ugh.

Well to be fair, I think this is the way such business is usually done. We’re only seeing this particular slice of it because it happened to be wiretapped. It would be a good deal for the hospital – paying a $50K “commission” on millions of dollars.

Blago didn’t think of anything new – he’s a product of the system. His aberration was that he was stupid and careless enough to get caught.

26. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008


From an Impeach Obama Blog
{WordPress, the Cogniscienti, no less.. }

where they wanted to Impeach Him As A SENATOR – this Summer.

Whereas: Senator Barack Obama has engaged in unscrupulous business
practices, in particular with Mr. Robert Blackwell. Mr. Obama
received an $ 8,000 per month “legal retainer” from Mr. Blackwell
for a total of $112,000 and reported the income through his law firm
in a manner not unlike money laundering. Obama, along with Obama
campaign manager Dan Shomon, procured $ 320,000 in state grants for Blackwell’s company Killerspin. Blackwell companies contributed over $ 32,000 to the Obama campaign in 2007.

No wonder Greg Craig, all the Clinton Vets.
No wonder Aunt Nan took impeachment off the Table, too..
While Craig won’t have THAT to worry about, at least he’ll have something, you know, to DO……
Also, that new Yes Man, Eric Holder,
the Rich pardon partial AG too.

27. marisacat - 9 December 2008


some stuff came up during the primary. Trying to remember. Had to do with medical issues, or panels or orgs in Chicago that related to medical… and either shake down or pay to play. And I think ob’s name surfaced in teh sense that one hand washes the other, someone or ones who helped him ended up well placed in whatever the medical thing was.

Sorry that is a very vague, disjointed layer cake. It rattled around for a bit then fell. think it was in 2007.

The thing of Ob and his people is they are city pols. Very adept at moving money, esp federal money around. That was the whole biz of Judson Miner… his “civil rights” law firm… Maybe a bone here or there to help someone, usually a friend… but imo just very adept at the money game.

28. marisacat - 9 December 2008


I agree.. it is all very vague. Gray fuzzy lines. One reason he was surveilled and then tapped and bugged is that he was out of control.

I think tho there is a point at which this is all a pol is doing.

29. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

or a cigar

That is SO wrong Mcat. LOL.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008
31. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008
32. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

apropos of nothing
It has been cold, very windy here , freezing at night,
I like it when the first shot of Winter sets in,
but Holy Freakin Freeze-me-man-Boobs of late…
So I broke down, had the heat up to like 900 in my house
now a freakin WARM Front moves in on the East Coast,
I don’t know , maybe part of the house just went up…

33. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

28 One reason he was surveilled and then tapped and bugged is that he was out of control.

Yes… just a bit too much of a loose cannon.

Now that he’s been taken down, it will be interesting to see if he has some dirt on Obama to pass on to the authorities.

Speaking of political corruption and hospitals, I just finished a remarkably good novel by the Scottish author Christopher Brookmyre, entitled Quite Ugly One Morning, which deals with this subject in a very entertaining manner. He’s a sharp and humorous writer, a Glaswegian Carl Hiassen. (Not for the squeamish, however.) The plot involves how private entities manipulate the National Health Service to make big money.

He’s good with the titles too – the next one of his on my list to read is All Fun and Games until Somebody Loses an Eye, followed by A Big Boy Did it and Ran Away.

Hmm, sounds like politics. >;-)

34. marisacat - 9 December 2008

we have the first mild chill here. I am begging for rain. Tho I am sure the merchants are not. The first little dribbles of rain, weeks ago, tamped down the months of dust and dirt and washed the trees adn grass. A bit.

Never had so little rain in oct and nov… and apparently it is not a topic for the news rooms. They hawk the sunshine.. when we need the rain. Dec 9… no rain. I think we might have a mild heat wave toward the end of the week.

35. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Zell is happy there is bigger news than the ChiTrib today.. from Clusterstock (italics is Blodget’s):

And who are those common shareholders?

Tribune employees, of course.

And how did Tribune employees end up owning the stock?

Because Sam Zell financed the buyout deal partially by borrowing against the employees pension plan and using this money to buy them stock. Tribune employees will now get demolished, while Sam and the company’s other creditors divide up the assets.

36. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

32 BooHoo – yeah, up in my neck of the woods it was 15 degrees in the morning, and tomorrow it’s going to rain. Fun! I’d better shovel the steps and walkway carefully before it freezes again.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 December 2008

34 – which I’m sure was the plan all along.

38. marisacat - 9 December 2008


some in the thread took issue with what Blodget wrote, but i read the NYT he linked to, by Sorkin.

39. marisacat - 9 December 2008


thanks for mentioning Brookmyre… they sound very interesting to me… will call my library and see if they have them or can get them. Will check the link too…

40. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

Lynn Sweet, shortly before Paris was Liberated
Hate her, but the Truth is the Truth.
So Long Ago, OCTOBER, So relevant now..
Ah well, so much for the race to Berlin…

Obama’s pal Eric Whitaker, his Tony Rezko tie

With the prospects of Barack Obama winning the White House pretty good,

Their friendship began when they were graduate students at Harvard University. Now, Whitaker is one of Obama’s closest advisers.

Whitaker, 43, of Chicago, often travels with the presidential hopeful on the campaign trail and has vacationed with him in Hawaii. There’s talk Whitaker could be in line for a federal appointment if Obama becomes president.

Five years ago, Obama, then an Illinois state senator, gave a “glowing” reference for Whitaker to Tony Rezko, the now-convicted political fixer who helped Gov. Blagojevich find people to run state agencies. Blagojevich hired Whitaker to be the state’s public health director.

Obama has said that’s the only time he can recall talking to Rezko — who was a major campaign fund-raiser for him and for Blagojevich — about getting anyone a state job.

“Somebody who I do remember talking directly to Tony about was Dr. Eric Whitaker,” Obama told the Sun-Times in March. “He and I played basketball together when he was getting his master’s in public health at Harvard, while I was in law school there. He had expressed an interest in that job. I did contact Tony, or Tony contacted me, and I gave him a glowing recommendation because I thought he was outstanding.”

Whitaker had been a rising star at Cook County’s Stroger Hospital, known for a program he created that went to barbershops to educate black men on preventive care.

“I did not seek any position and was stunned when I was asked to interview for the IDPH director position,” Whitaker, who declined an interview request, {Lawyer UP!}

said in a written response to questions. “My first encounter with Tony Rezko was when he called and told me to come in for an interview approximately one week after I had already been interviewed” by three other Blagojevich advisers. {The UGOG?}

As state health chief, Whitaker spent millions on programs that used churches to educate minorities about AIDS, breast cancer and preparing for public health emergencies, a program hailed nationwide. ..{Why? – For the RESULTS?!?}

Whitaker’s agency also got caught up in scandal. He oversaw the budget of the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, which approves medical construction projects. Rezko and his associates controlled that board, which they used to solicit kickbacks and payoffs, according to testimony at Rezko’s trial.

Rezko was convicted.
Whitaker, who said he wasn’t involved in the board’s day-to-day operations, {How very Harvardian..}
was never accused of any wrongdoing.

was never accused of any wrongdoing.
Not YET.

I’m sure Michele will be unavailable
just baking her Mommy Ass Off
if inquiry goes to her University of Chicago Hospital gig…..

Whitaker left the state payroll a year ago and joined Obama’s wife Michelle as a high-ranking executive at the University of Chicago Medical Center. When he was hired, U. of C. was seeking permission to expand its children’s hospital — one of five expansions the university sought from the state while Whitaker was health director. All were approved by the planning board. Whitaker and the U. of C. said he had nothing to do with those approvals.

41. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

Jesus, we have a President Elect whose wife is clearly in line for methodical dismemberment in a Fitzgerald Investigation…

At best they can claim …WHAT?
She had a Great $$$ / Light Duty political payoff job?

Not Good.

42. marisacat - 9 December 2008

That was it… the medical thing. But it must have surfaced earlier, a first rise, got knocked down.

There is also something about MO her job at UCHospitals.. and developing procedures for referring incoming low income patients away from the hosptial and employing an Axelrod entity.

Stuff that is “messy” and “too cosy”, but rises just to fall. It’s the same people and same types of :stuff: all the time.

43. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

Even if Fitz doesn’t bring it – short of great Plea Deals,
Blogo’s defense counsel will surely be going there, with Michele Ob, no?.

44. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

but rises just to fall Always a dissappointment.

45. marisacat - 9 December 2008


I’d be really surprised… I think they were all too cosy.. cutting each other in on deals endlessly. For decades. But…

I don’t esp like the look of the monthly retainer to Ob… (and I was long long long ago sick of their poor mouthing, it was a scam), it sounds like he received it personally and routed it thru the books at Judson Minor… then … etc.

but………. what is it really.

One reason the Rezko presence in the house deal bothers me, they ALL arrive wiht Rezkos hanging off their shoes, so, who cares!…but few are stupid enough to mix it up with family and home. That close. And recent. I think Ob is sort of ascetic in some ways and a bit cheap, I think he’d have liked to stay in the condo, it was larger than they like people to know, in a substantial building, not some cheap knock up… but I am guessing Michelle wanted. that. house. now.


46. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

Yep, seems like these guys Blog and Ob have done business before.

Nice Cliff Notes from the NYT here

Page 60. The governor discusses with his staff the possibility of getting a high-paying position with an organization called “Change to Win,” connected to the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). He would take the seat after resigning as governor. A “three-way deal” is discussed. He would choose the person they believe is Mr. Obama’s preferred candidate — “Senate Candidate 1″ — and the President-elect, they said, would find a way to influence someone to give him the Change to Win post.

47. marisacat - 9 December 2008

well candiate 1 seems to have been Valerie Jarrett.. but she abrutply began saying she was not interested. Think the tapes indicate candidate 1 pulled out..

48. marisacat - 9 December 2008

duhn duh duhn Kind of interesting, for some reason her own father, Chicago Alderman and no wall flower in Chicago politics, had issues iwth Blago’s level of pay to play.

Patricia Blagojevich famously feuded with her father after Mell accused the governor of pay-to-play politics in 2005, though they briefly reconciled after her mother’s death two years ago. Despite their chilly relationship in recent years, Mell expressed concern for his daughter Tuesday—but not for his son-in-law.

…[T]he first lady’s [Patti Blago] once-lucrative real estate career suffered after her most famous client, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, was convicted on political corruption charges. A Tribune investigation revealed she earned more than $700,000 in commissions on other deals after her husband began raising money in 2000 for his first gubernatorial campaign.

Of those commissions, the Tribune found more than three-quarters came from clients with connections.

As her commissions faded, she briefly took a job as an investment banker. She touted her ability to land state business upon her hiring with a local banking house, but those deals never materialized and she soon left.

In September, she began working as a full-time fundraiser for the Chicago Christian Industrial League—a job she obtained after a longtime political ally of the governor talked to the director of the non-profit homeless agency.

A spokeswoman for the agency said Tuesday that Patricia Blagojevich still worked at the agency, but declined further comment.

49. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Ob sat down with the ChiTrib a few hours after Blago was picked up. I think he served up a bowl of cooling mush.

He would not commit to specific plans on matters as varied as free trade, unionization and illegal immigration. Instead, he said, his nominees and advisers are studying the issues and will report back with recommendations.

Asked if he would support the extension of the fence between the U.S. and Mexican border, Obama deferred to his nominee for the Homeland Security Department, Janet Napolitano.

In similar fashion, he sidestepped questions about whether he would move quickly on promises to rework the North American Free Trade Agreement or push the so-called “card-check” law making it easier for unions to organize…snip..

Why bother?

He is steadfast on his “agenda of change,” he said.

“On all the promises that I made during the campaign there has been no sense I’m backing off,” he said. “What I’m putting in place is a Cabinet of extraordinarily qualified, competent people who would not have accepted my offer for them to join my administration unless they believed in my vision.”

He was steadfast on two things. Terrorism (up top of the article) and toward the end, the god damned fucking MINISTERS.

Though he hasn’t taken on a singular spiritual adviser, months after the controversial parting with his former pastor, Obama said he has found inspiration in a “prayer circle” of supportive clergy leaders.

Pastors on that regular prayer phone call toward the end of the campaign included T.D. Jakes, of the Dallas-based mega-church The Potter’s House, Saddleback mega-church pastor Rick Warren and Joseph Lowery of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

“I’m reliant on the pastors who are friends of mine, and who I talk to for support, and my own prayer life at home,” he said.

Such drippy bullshit.

50. BooHooHooMan - 9 December 2008

48 WTF is the Chicago Christian Industrial League?

Some ancient relic of a Mythical Christianity
that was as mythically said to have cared for Social Justice?
…few laudable, no lasting exceptions to the rule…
If it did,
wouldn’t it be called the Chicago Christian Workers League?
or the Chicago Christian Social Minorities League?

Nope. Too Commie on the first count
Too Homo Invitin’ on the second…
I can only imagin the advert.

For the Tough Jobs, like Eliminating the Living Wage,
and Equality for your Brothers and Sisters-
Industrial Strength Christianity Will Do.

It’s the Capitalist Helper®.

(use only as directed)

51. Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 December 2008

Chicago politics – remember the brilliant Hecht/MacArthur play The Front Page and the issues of political timing in it. Rolltop desk, etc.

One of its authors, Charles MacArthur, was an actual Chicago newspaperman.

52. marisacat - 9 December 2008

Yeah I do remember The Front Page… very on target, political timing.



I loved Patti’s retreat to some christian cleaning product. Geesh.

53. Hair Club for Men - 9 December 2008

wouldn’t it be called the Chicago Christian Workers League?
or the Chicago Christian Social Minorities League? Nope. Too Commie on the first count

Actually, Lenin was still in exile in Switzerland when it was founded. So it’s older than Communism.


CCIL, established in 1909 on the Near West side of Chicago, is a non-sectarian, non-profit organization serving poor and homeless men, women, and families from the entire metropolitan area.

Back in 1909, the term “industrial” would have been considered leftist and subversive. “Industrial unions” would have organized workers across a whole industry rather than “craft unions” which would only have organized small groups of elite workers. So an “industrial union” would have been open to newer immigrants and a “craft union” wouldn’t have.

I have no clue what it’s about now and their web site is pretty sparse.

54. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

BooHooMan. I can’t really follow your post on the Dave From Queens site.


Are you saying the guy who posts as “Major Flaw” is the same guy who used to post as “Major Danby”?

That doesn’t make sense to me since Dave is accusing Flaw as being in someway connected to Anthony Weiner’s office and “Danby” seems to have no connection to New York politics at all.

But what I think the real issue here is illustrated very nicely by comparing Wikipedia to Kos.

With Wikipedia, there was a process where the congressional staffers modifying entries were exposed and their IPs banned.

With Kos any possible attempt by Weiner’s office to keep pro-Palestinian and various other issues from being discussed with just stop right at Kos’s whim.

55. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Thanks for the link… yeah impossible to tell much from their site.

56. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

CCIL, established in 1909 on the Near West side of Chicago, is a non-sectarian, non-profit organization serving poor and homeless men

yeh and the growth rate of poor and homeless soars while another Pol-on-the-Take’s wife sucks it…
kinda like the Healthcare do-Godesses of Ob

57. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Thanks for the link… yeah impossible to tell much from their site.

The writing bad, even for the web.

Originally functioning as a “rescue mission”, CCIL primarily served those whose skills and self-esteem had been battered by the ravaging forces that soon would come to be known as the Great Depression.

“The ravaging forces that would soon to be known as the Great Depression”.


58. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

But forget about the political stuff – how about those Cubbies?


59. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

I think Sabrina is right about Kos in this post.

It is deceptive, at the very least, to not disclose you are a politicfal insider (often lawyers) to ordinary people who express an opinion they believe they have the freedom to do, only to be swept down upon by professional operators who have not identified themselves as such and leaving many people wondering what they did wrong, AND at a distinct and at very unfair disadvantage since they mostly were not professional political operatives or lawyers and found themselves being ganged up on on a board THEY thought was a Democratic discussion Board.

But I also think the whole idea that a website could ever be a genuinely “community based” discussion group is also pretty deceptive.

I don’t think a real unmoderated website is possible. Any website is going to reflect the biases of the person who pays for the hosting. That’s inevitable. I have “free speech” on the web, the freedom to set up my own site. But I don’t really have a right to have access to a readership somene else builds up.

That’s why usenet always seemed to be a better model for discussion groups than the web. You really can have communities that no one person owns or controls.

I’m not sure how exactly how Wikipedia is run. But it seems a slightly better model than the Daily Kos kind of community (of which PFF and FSZ are just two variations), notwithstanding the fact that there are all kinds of bizarre and intense conflicts going on there too (a war between anarchists and Marxists, for example, to edit one another’s entries).

60. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Zeleny in the NYT on Blago Rezko Ob and whatever else. Emil Jones…

61. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Tapper on where Ob’s famous vagueness leaves him.

Sources close to Obama say that he found out about the arrest of Blagojevich at the same time we all did, this morning. But it would seem highly improbable that no one there knew anything.

Ben Smith revises the revision a bit. And the rest seems kind of awkward deniability check listing…. it’s getting rather dumb imo. I’m passing on the dumb it down cupcakes on offer.

David Axelrod denied earlier today that Obama had spoken to Blagojevich about the Senate seat, but not that the two men had spoken, and a reader points out that the last time they actually met is obvious — Obama’s visit to the National Governors Association last week.

The reader sends on the picture above from the event.

There’s lots of chatter this evening about the relationship between the two men, with Obama’s backers portraying it as frosty, his detractors potraying them as brothers in arms.

then the small blither of check listing. Awkward…

This isn’t really particularly mysterious; it’s a fairly common pattern in urban politics, in which smart organization pols let a fair-haired boy (back in the day when they were all Irish) keep his hands clean, and he does keep his hands clean. But as Obama’s degree closeness or distance from Blagojevich comes under intense scrutiny, it’s worth keeping the broader structure in mind.

Thanks for the instruction… LOL.

62. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

54 yep

I think DFQ doesn’t know who’s who

“Danby” seems to have no connection to New York politics at all.

Not so. Made the move from NY made all the rounds in CA.
political consultants assoc guy anyone can join for a fee. Focus group Psychol, that sort of stuff, not a Player when push comes to shove. Wants to Be. SO Wants to Be…you have to read the guys tone, his m.o….a real zealot who talks about “preserving” dkos, a thorough, though not so good psy oper, thoroughly into sockpuppetry,etc. HardcorePolitical Ops would not out themselves and frankly don’t really give a shit about DK “trolls” per se, they’re concerned with FP content as events warrant, they can make the call to Markos directly, – DHinMI, mcjoan or one of the lesser Blogmaidens if Markos happens to be out . DFQ doesn’t even come up on their radar.

The Weiner association is secondary, seems to be a DFQ obsession.
Weiner is odious, but to get it right, DFQ needs to focus on the UGOG dialogue, then the dynamics of DK itself. The dialogue of UGOG is not really about protecting a candidacy or Weiner at all. Concern about any particular thing on the Rec List. While it’s scattershot “Donuts” o the pro Dem line it’s sniper fire on I/P stuff. But read the Tone: It is profound psyhcological illness.

for UGOG/ Danby et al., It’s about DK, it’s “mission” , his mission, so military for a civilian. Danby talks about how Fun it was being “Major” on DK., UGOG about his mission, the Mission of the other UGOGers, their need to bring order out of chaos and doo the dirty work the innies of the inner circle ca quite get done..The Admins who don’t quite “get it”. UGOG is not an innie– Rules DH and other Admins. DH and other Admins have free reign to impale people at will. UGOG and Co. do not, thus the outpost.

One alternative explaination frankly is ruled OUT by the Zion bent.
It Rules out similar status seeking whacks like Del Dem etc…
Could be that kid Democratic Dunce but he’s not on any mission for Blogtopia per se.. He’s just a nerd in college who blogs for LACK of a Personality to be so disordered…seems to get the memos tho…

There is also the element of profound rejection. the “taking it into their own hands thing” to discipline others who don’t quite see it their way. Thats why frankly the younger ones don’t quite have the fit as they ACTUALLY haven’t grown up. It’s those that have and missed the boat who feel the neeed to use that phrase the most.
UGOG questions why he got a warning for being disruptive.

IOW, He’s a second stringer, a consultant of sorts, late to the game supplying his wares on the fast net train that already left the station .. his age, consulting psychologist, late law degree, it all fits…

NOT an Innie, wants to be but cant quite get in despite his wares, his CV, not even his late in life try as political consultant. The tone is all there in two of Danby’s diaries, his last , and the one on his obsession with Heller’s Catch 22 is moth- to- the- flame fascination with dichotomy.

Chips and soda for the kids is the biz of DK, how money is distributed via consultant contracts with non disclosure agreements to the various netteries. Thats whats operational in the guys entree to the CA DK circle, not the NY Philly East Coast Weiners…… .
..IMHO of course…he fundamentally is a Netroot Franchise promoter/ investor or wannabe…

Could be wrong, doesn’t matter much anyways,
none of them are about making a substantive difference.
…for the better, that is…

I was going to dissemble the whole bit.
Links, the need for acknowledgment, secrecy, both…
I’ll post some more at OUR secret site. Ooooo. LOL.

63. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Typo.. Rules DH *out* , …he can nuke at will…


Again, if the central thesis of DFQ is its Weiner Ops why do they need these UGOG middlemen? They can pick up the phone and give Markos an earful. These UGOG’s are stradlers somewhere between The Innies , the Admis on DK, and the riff raff they perceive all around them, the suicide bombers wanting to get on THEIR blog-bus.

truly whacked.

64. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

this is not to say UGOG and Company don’t have Admin ears, or access to markos, or cross talk, approval, even coordination. Seems pretty clear they DO. As much as I’d love to have Wiener peeps exposed, UGOG is not an INNIE on DK not an Admin listed on the site, tho they might as well and be done with it…

I simply don’t see Dave’s association of UGOG to Weiner unless he has IP addresses or telephone numbers traceable to Offices or staff or residences.

This doesn’t get to the core issue:
how unaccountable, extra “official” interests can have more operational influence than those who DO…whether it Markos supposedly “shared”/ merit based/ “community moderation” or our Governmental equivalent, what people still delude themselves into believing is “democratic” in the U.S.

65. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

I’m hittin the hay…

66. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

Good Goddess, is anyone still reading Daily Kos? What a howl!

I have no idea who or what “UGOG” means and no interest in finding out.

67. marisacat - 10 December 2008

here’s how the squeeze at Childrens Hospital went…

[I]ntercepted phone conversations between ROD BLAGOJEVICH and others indicate that ROD BLAGOJEVICH is contemplating rescinding his commitment of state funds to benefit Children’s Memorial Hospital because Hospital Executive 1 has not made a recent campaign contribution to ROD BLAGOJEVICH.

68. marisacat - 10 December 2008

12.09.08 — 5:15PM // link | RECOMMEND RECOMMEND (7)
Not Rahm?

Source close to Rahm Emanuel says the ‘tip-off’ story isn’t true.

–Josh Marshall

69. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Yeah. This is what I meant about Fitzgerald not pursuing Rove because Libby successfully obstructed justice.


Archangel M

As for Patrick Fitzgerald, the reason he didn’t indict Rove or Cheney is because Libby successfully obstructed the investigation and because Rove and Cheney lied well enough to make themselves untouchable. Libby was the weak link, the piss-poor liar, and so was the best and only way to go after the bigger fish in the Plame investigation. Once the shrub commuted the sentence of his gargoyle’s former chief of staff, any and all reasons for Libby to turn into a stool pigeon were thrown out the proverbial window.

I was never a big “Fitzmass” groupie and never really kept up with all the news but this has always seemed strange to me. Doesn’t mean you can never succesfully investigate the criminal activity of a sitting president because the president can always commute the sentence of the weakest links?

70. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Then combine this with bank bailouts, auto bailouts, the governer of Illinois holding some kind of power of the purse over the Tribune Company, it seems to me as if “socialism” has slipped in through the back door of the most right wing administration in American history.

Only it’s not socialism. It didn’t come from a labor movement establishing a social democratic party in parliament or from mass worker action. It came from the top down, on the inititiave of corporate America for the benefit of corporate America.

It’s basically fascism. And the reason we don’t really have brownshirts in the streets beating up communists and leftists is because we really have no leftists and no communists.

We do have a massive financial pipeline to a right wing, fascist ethno state with a thin veneer of parliamentiarism (and we all know what country that is) that’s not considered a subject for any kind of open debate and we do have brownshirts rampaging in the streets of that country.

Here it just seems like the propaganda is too good to need the brownshirts. But it does seem as if we do have fascism.

71. mattes - 10 December 2008

Israeli experts help India prepare commando raids into Pakistan

Indian commando

New Delhi has asked Jerusalem to assist in the operational and intelligence planning of Indian commando cross-border strikes against Islamist terrorist havens in Pakistan – including al Qaeda, Indian counter-terror sources report.



Tarp [lack of] Oversight Hearings now on cspan

72. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

54 yep

I think DFQ doesn’t know who’s who

Dave says Danby isn’t Flaw.

I can understand Danby’s motivation here if he is Flaw:

for UGOG/ Danby et al., It’s about DK, it’s “mission” , his mission, so military for a civilian. Danby talks about how Fun it was being “Major” on DK., UGOG about his mission, the Mission of the other UGOGers, their need to bring order out of chaos and doo the dirty work the innies of the inner circle ca quite get done

But what I don’t understand is why the Kos moderators would let him get away with it since you seem to be saying that Danby got passed over as a front pager and is now basically acting like a “turnoff troll” in retaliation.

Why would Kos’s front pagers allow disgruntled ex diarists to harm their own traffic?

73. mattes - 10 December 2008

If anyone is interested in Tarp Hearings:


74. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

This whole parade of Illinois political figures on TV (from reporters at the Chicago Tribune all the way up to Obama) are saying the same thing: “we have no connection with this guy.” The Illinois attorney general is saying “I never talk to him. I’ve always known about the ongoing investigations.”

Why weren’t impeachment hearings called a year ago? Two years ago?

And Fitzgerald is getting massively hyped. To me it looks as if he brought down a guy who just seems crazy and stupid. It looks to me as if he couldn’t touch Rove or Cheney. How is this guy a hero?

75. NYCO - 10 December 2008

Wow, someone in Albany finally grew a pair…

“Today I am announcing that the Democratic Members of the Senate have elected to cease negotiations on reorganization matters with all three Senators as discussed both in private and in the press. We are suspending negotiations, effective immediately, because to do so otherwise would reduce our moral standing and the long-term Senate Democratic commitment to reform and to change. We believe that ultimately, we must do what is right for the people of the State of New York. Furthermore, real reform cannot and should not ever include limiting the civil rights of any New Yorkers. Those issues must be part of the legislative process.

The members of this Conference have come a long way to consider the demands placed on the table. But frankly, we would rather wait two more years to take charge of the Senate than to simply serve the interests of the few. New York State cannot afford the type of self-serving politics being proposed and I will not be the leader to sacrifice what is right for New York for a quick political solution.”

Statement from Malcolm Smith.

76. marisacat - 10 December 2008


Googlinng around the other night I landed on a 2005 article on the Bronx in NYO… it had a stray observation in it that Diaz, one of the three, calls gays “spawn of the devil”. IIRC earlier when this stuff was coming down, the Albany blog at NYT identified Diaz as a ”influential pentecostal minister”.

Good for Malcolm Smith, the whole thing stank.

77. marisacat - 10 December 2008

By now it has to be asked… was he paid to step down.


78. mattes - 10 December 2008

Sir Evelyn Rothschild crawling out from behind the curtain to appear on CNBC next. He will be be giving us his 2 cents.

The end is near.

79. marisacat - 10 December 2008

You have to laugh… from comments at this Knoxville news blog:

Looks like I’m wrong .. Axelrod is right the 1st time …

Ill. governor meeting with Obama today
By Carol Sowers
Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

CHICAGO, ILL. — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That’s one of Obama’s first priorities today.

He’s meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement.

Posted by: Neo at December 10, 2008 12:48 PM

The commenter provided the link to this site. The page comes up but indicates that the article with that number is not available:

Content for Src=”217582″ of Type=”application/html; src=cms-id” is unavailable.

For whatever reason, and surely transparency, the real stuff, is not what matters to ObRama… when even something that is just an issue (I mean,, why WOULDN’T he speak to Blago?) comes up, they snap, privot, turn to deny, refute, obfuscate, move away, and go passive.

You have to love it. It is just so DUMB.

80. mattes - 10 December 2008

Rothschild translation: The children have run amuck, too much time on their hands, no supervision. Need to teach them the basics in banking. Reduced leverage.

Has his money in government bonds for over a year.

81. marisacat - 10 December 2008


First and foremost, PEBO says, “I have not discussed the Senate seat with the governor at any time. My strong belief is that it needed to be filled by somebody who is going to represent the people of Illinois and fight for them. And beyond that, I was focused on the transition.”

It’s from the joint LA Times and ChicTrib sit down interview. Took place a few hours after Blago baby was picked up.

82. marisacat - 10 December 2008

They gotta stop denying. They look like the mafia.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. : ‘No Involvement Whatsoever’ in Gov. Blagojevich Scandal [4:25 p.m. ET]

For more, go to abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

83. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

why WOULDN’T he speak to Blago?

The Illinois attorney general was just on MSNBC saying that she really hasn’t spoken to Blagojevich in months (or even years I’m forgetting the exact time).

That would seem to be a lot worse than a US Senator not talking to the governor. That’s the sign of a completely disfunctional state government.

Fitzgerald arrested him to prevent him from doing any more damage, right? I’m not sure about the exact charges.

“Conspiracy to solicit a bribe?”

It’s not as if they sent someone over with a bag of money to say “I’m from Jesse Jackson’s office. When do I move to the Senate.”

They have him on tape talking about soliciting a bribe. So it looks like conspiracy to me.


The charges Blagojevich and Harris face span three main areas: corrupting the U.S. Senate selection process; trying to extort the Chicago Tribune, and taking part in schemes to shake down people seeking state business.

Is it possible Fitzgerald actually reduced the amont of time he could serve by arresting him now before they set up any kind of a sting operation?

84. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Well there certainly is discussion, a bit and kind of muted, that, having him under some form of surveillance since about a year after entering office.. and bugged for weeks… why not wait til the actual deal went down. With whomever.

Instead, doing it this way, there is wiggle room for deniability…. for a whole host of Chicago pols. it’s just so sweet that he is governor but apparently no one talked to him.


85. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Think one of the charges against Blago is cons[iracy to commit mail fraud as well. What instance or act that is based on, I am not sure.

Mail fraud is 5 years federal prison, however.

86. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Instead, doing it this way, there is wiggle room for deniability…. for a whole host of Chicago pols.

It seems they did it fast to prevent him from appointing a Senator.

Tweety just asked the same question I did and that’s the answer Chris Christie gave.

I wish I knew more about Chicago politics. The guy I’m seeing here, it’s hard to believe he could have ever won an election.

Did he get hooked on drugs or something?

Is he under some sort of threat from some mobster types to do something like this and did he actually try to get arrested?

Did his wife put a microchip in his brain?

87. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Jackson said he hadn’t spoken to him in 4 years.

I find that hard to believe. Doesn’t a congressman coordinate the bringing home of the federal pork with the governer?

88. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Well he ran in an open contest. The R party is weak in Ill…Not to laugh too hard here, but he promised reform and whatever else… and Gov Ryan was either under indictment at the time, or the trial was going or he was on his way ot jail.

LOL likely this has screwed Ryan’s petition for clemency to Bush. he’s 5 years into his 6 year sentence, old and would like to get out.

And so it goes.

89. marisacat - 10 December 2008

And no one and their mother is mentioning the smelly deal that went down in DE for the Biden seat…

90. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Not to laugh too hard here, but he promised reform and whatever else

To bring honor and dignity back to the White Hou…er Illinois state house?

It strikes me that a two step process would work best here.

Step 1: Impeachment.

Step 2: Criminal prosecution

Impeach him now and then let the criminal charges shakes themselves out. Then he’s out of office and ineligible to appoint a Senator.

How quickly could they impeach him?

As to Fitzmass, I had always thought it was insane to sit back and passively wait for a criminal investigation to get rid of Bush. It had to be a political process, mass protest or impeachment. That’s why I never really followed it.

91. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Bill Ayers on Tweety.

He was pretty convicing with Amy Goodman as the interviewer.

Let’s see how he does with someone less leftish.

92. marisacat - 10 December 2008

I always considered Fitzmas a scam and Democratic party busy work for the plebes. One reason Blahgers pushed it hard as the soap opera of the day. I posted soemthing at LSF in October of 2005 about it.

It helped hide what a fucking “consigned to sick bay” case the Dems were. Are.

They can impeach Blago thru the vote. Doesn’t sound like they are orgainising that tho. His approval, the one they repeat, is 13%. So he would go down.

93. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Tweety wasn’t that hard on Ayers but Ayers comes across as contradictory.

On one hand, he argues that planting bombs in the Capitol was wrong but not insane because Vietnam was so horrific.

On the other hand, he won’t criticize Obama, even though Obama’s committed to escalating the occupation of Afghanistan.

Tweety never tried to make the connection. Tweety was also brandishing his anti-Vietnam-war credentials. Maybe Tweety didn’t want to make the connection because by making a direction comparison of Afghanstan or Iraq to Vietnam, he would have had to have made the choice between rejecting his younger, anti-Vietnam-war or rejecting his current member of the elite self.

Two confused baby boomers.

Joan Walsh brought up the University of Wisconsin bombing.

I’ve always been suprised at how easy it is to walk around the Capitol Building. It strikes me that planting bombs in a place like the Capitol is going after an easy target, attacking public space, in a sense.

It takes a lot more guts to do with the Berrigans did, go on military bases and wait to get arrested for doing something non-violent.

94. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Aw. Probably because, if one removes “special sauce” numbers, we are already there. And it will get quantifiably worse from where we are now… which is worse than anyone admits to. [Just don’t admit to talking to Blago.]

It’s quite unsettling to talk to members of Barack Obama’s transition teams these days, especially those who are helping with the economics portfolio. Without going into details, the sense I get from them is that they are very worried that the economy will get a lot worse before it gets better. Not just worse… a lot worse. As in — double digit unemployment without the wiggle factors. Huge declines in aggregate demand. Significant, persistent deficits.

That’s one reason why the Obama administration seems to be open to listening to every economist with an idea and is stocking the staff with the leading lights of the field. In one sense, the general level of concern among Obama advisers and transition staffers is reassuring; they get the magnitude of the problems, and they’re not going to assume that, just because the bottom has never dropped out before — certainly not in the lifetimes of most people doing policy these days, the bottom will never drop out.

Go get ’em Rover. Should have HIRED better tho… love the “talking to” touch…

Then it goes on to detail that prolly a large unstable country will go belly up. On a global Monopoly game board, which will it be.

This needs Ob’s DNA. And surely a speech in a muslim capital.

95. marisacat - 10 December 2008

An attendee at the original coffee at Ayers house, Maria Warren a person from the Hyde Park environs, referred to them (Ayers and Dorhn) as “legends in their own minds”. It was a comment at a blog, that I happened on contemporaneously… I think that comes close. They had 60s era (70s 80s) golden parachutes in my opinion.

Maria Warren later chronicled that cofee at her own blog and in the past months erased it. Wihtout admitting (when confronted) or acknowlegeing she was cleansing a rather benign record.

96. NYCO - 10 December 2008

Did anyone see the NYT’s retraction on their Kennedy-Paterson phone calls story? Woo boy, not even the Kennedys want to have the Blago stink on them. It’s that toxic. (Yeah, right. Like there weren’t any phone calls going on between their consiglieri!)

(BTW, apropos of nothing… my co-worker now calls Obama “The Cucumber.” I didn’t ask her why but maybe it has something to do with being tall, cool and devoid of nutritional value…)

97. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Well in a sense Sarah Palin (demagogue though she is) was accurately throwing down the gauntlet for Obama’s anti-war supporters.

Do you believe Iraq and Afghanistan are as bad as Vietnam and if so, what are you prepared to do? Do you approve of what Bill Ayers did when he was a member of the Weathermen?

And if you go a step further, if you say “well America in Iraq is committing war crimes on the level of what the Nazis did” (and you can make the argument if you consider the 10 year long blockade), then what are you prepared to do?

Tweety wouldn’t go there. Neither would Ayers. I guess if Ayers had said “fuck this creep Obama” he would have helped Obama with the right (not that Obama needs it anymore). So maybe his approval of Obama has a sort of passive agressive quality. On the other hand if he had said “Obama. Lyndon Johnson? What’s the difference. Iraq’s just Vietnam in Arabic” a lot of people might have become radicalized by it (although maybe not because Ayers isn’t that big a deal really).

Now the Berrigans would have just said “we’re going to keep doing what we’ve been doing for the past 50 years.”

Ayers is like “well Vietnam was so horrible that it made putting a bomb in the Capitol at least a reasonable thing to do. But now we’ve just elected an agent of hope and change and rejected the politics of Bush and fear and 9/11.”

Maybe Tweety still feels like the blue collar white ethnic guy and still had the urge to suck up to the socially elite anti-war crowd (and Ayer’s family was extremely wealthy).

98. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Yeah i did see the pull back from the Kennebunkport crew. And Paterson.

I dinna do it! I swear!

99. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Ayers is a pompous asshole imo. He probably is happy now, his fatuous performances have made him new enemies on both sides of the badly made bed.

His own father, who was Ayer’s golden parachute and why Ayers and Dorhn are well situated now and before in Chicago with endorsements from Daley, tenured positions at UC and Northwestern.. etc, resolved the whole thing in his mind. Ayers was drawn in by his older GF. Who died in the Greenwich Village explosion.

What a hoot. Worked for dad, but not the truth, I suspect.

100. marisacat - 10 December 2008

new thread…


………….. 🙄 …………..

101. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Dave says Danby isn’t Flaw. HC

I think DFQ doesn’t know who’s who – BHHM

Dave says Danby isn’t Flaw. HC

I got that.

what I don’t understand is why the Kos moderators would let him get away with it HCWhy ? They’re ball-less, devoid of political and ethical compass when you get right down to it…and it’s to their benefit. The intimidation of anybody off the Democratic Blog® Line keeps THEIR poison pen/cheerleader/consultant/guest appearance/ad rev conduit for Markos —keeps the game going, pushes examination AWAY…

Cash Flow God forbid if Markos the Phoney Gate Crasher was discomfitted, or worse, {HA!} — if the content really veered into Nader territory with the Brand… As a practical matter, the fact that the UGOGers work the God’s Chosen People Angle in I/P threads gives them cover, the collateral damage “understandable”… so the thinking goes..

We’ve been through this before,

Why would Kos’s front pagers…allow disgruntled ex diarists to harm their own traffic?

Already answered, but what makes you think he’s an EX diarist.?

Also, so many assumptions @ Markos Traffic Numbers…
..i.e. The legitimacy of their generation, their actual size, whether that is the reason why congloms, candidates, the Party, or media outlets buy in…it’s hype, hype that’s taken a toe-hold surely, hype that influences spin…
Hype and spin that results in Progress?
We all know the answer to that.
So, given that its hype and that Parties PAY, book appearances, quote the slop regardless – concerns over offending “Purists” , the quality of its SocioPolitical discourse , LOL – DON”T MATTER!..The gratuitous abuse of posters, everybody “having their say” is the least of the Operations concern.

The FSZ guy had a link to the Salon article of 2005,
it goes through whole scam,
the Markos / Jerome Armstrong / Dean consultancy, Joe Trippi etc..It ‘s a web enabled Ponzi scheme to get or distract attention where you can, keep suckers who go for it “bought in”, reinforce the Hype, influence spin, get them to give dough / volunteer on campaigns, etc… It’s pretty clear why Markos tolerates abusive cultists, share a few ribs together, etc…

Salon 2005

….The hanging offense is that Moulitsas took money from other, undisclosed, political clients. And while he may have disclosed—in 2003—that he wouldn’t disclose them, that’s not good enough. DailyKos raised money for a dozen congressional candidates this past election. Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas’ preferred candidates money, wouldn’t you like to know if Moulitsas’ endorsement was purchased?

Political campaigns and consultants are becoming increasingly skillful at manipulating the mainstream press by planting stories in the blogosphere. Despite this, the mainstream press remains credulous about blogging.


lesson for a campaign is obvious: Got a story you can’t convince a mainstream reporter to run? Leak it anonymously to a blog on your payroll. Then get a local reporter to write a story on the controversial, gossipy, local political blog. Soon everyone in town will be talking about the story you leaked to the blog. Voila! Eventually a mainstream news organization will run a story on the rumor that “everyone is talking about.” Or they’ll do a “what people are buzzing about on the Internet” piece. And no one will know that the blog post was a paid placement until after the election.

If Moulitsas takes money from political candidates in 2006 and 2008 without telling you who’s paying him, stop giving his recommended candidates your dollars. Here’s what Moulitsas wrote about payola pundit Armstrong Williams’ assertion that “There are others” on the government dole: “Until names are named, we can assume every conservative pundit is on the White House’s payola rolls.” That’s questionable logic, but let’s take Moulitsas up on his challenge: Until names are named, we can assume every Daily Kos candidate this past election wrote him a check for his consulting work.

So ask yourself, given the Blogs tertiary role, then figure in the various layers Blogs,HuffPo, TPM, theBBBcars etc…figure the layers of genuine political ops down through the wannabees, How much room for money TO bloggers and “access” (such as it is) is there?—

How much room is there for others to really get in on? Are the UGOG-ers Innies or not?…or somewhere sadly, better “positioned” in their middling lives in their Orange “community” and UGOG Treefort “online” than they are in real life?

Once you cross the credibility threshold
{What the Hell, I bit, having bagged the Cable… }
*that the UGOG site is “genuine” dialogue between distinct individuals
*that FSZ is not a Honey Pot,
*that DFQ is a Pwog/Dem/Whatev who got the SYFPH treatment…

What emerges to me is something else : A flame war by truly whacked wannabees with Dave, a Believer still, in Markos overhyped blog that overshadows just how cheaply political discourse can be manufactured, how participation in it in an online cage is ever so marginal…

Which brings us back, Praise Be- …
to Blogojevitch and the Land of Ob..LOL.

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