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Maybe a break… 10 December 2008

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A koala chews eucalyptus leaves at an animal park in Sydney [Picture: REUTERS]

Maybe a break (at least in the photo at the head) from cities, towns and pension funds in collapse, streets in riot and fire, multi-fingered, light-fingered pols… and endless statements of “not I, said the leader”…

Plus, he’s kind of a cutie.

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1. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Stiglitz provides a brief timeline:

[A]s we stripped back the old regulations, we did nothing to address the new challenges posed by 21st-century markets. The most important challenge was that posed by derivatives. In 1998 the head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Brooksley Born, had called for such regulation – a concern that took on urgency after the Fed, in that same year, engineered the bailout of Long-Term Capital Management, a hedge fund whose trillion-dollar-plus failure threatened global financial markets. But Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, his deputy, Larry Summers, and Greenspan were adamant – and successful – in their opposition. Nothing was done. ..snip…

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
3. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

Upgrading from a cardboard box for the homeless

Christopher Raynor’s father kicked him out when he was 13, after his stepmother interrupted an orgy in his bedroom and the teen jammed a broom handle against her throat.

Now 40, Raynor has lived much of his life in the rough. His current domicile is a patch of dirt behind some pampas grass and coastal sage scrub where Pacific Coast Highway meets Temescal Canyon Road, in the backyard of Pacific Palisades.

Until a few weeks ago, he dozed on a thin mattress in the open air. Now he beds down in a snug mobile shelter called an EDAR (short for Everyone Deserves a Roof), a covered contraption that looks like the offspring of a shopping cart and a pop-up camper.

Raynor’s mother died of stomach cancer, his father was shot to death, and he himself has served time in jail. He spends much of each day intoxicated and grimy. He despises most people.

But he likes his EDAR.

“This is one of the greatest damn gifts you could ever give to anybody,” he says.

The EDAR is the brainchild of Peter Samuelson, a philanthropist and film producer whose credits include “Revenge of the Nerds” and “Arlington Road.” His life could hardly be more different from Raynor’s.

4. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

2 – Why is that a “profoundly heartfelt work of art”? To me it’s offensive and sophomoric.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

4 – to me it’s a reminder that nothing is sacred, that people have a right to express themselves, and that if you do make something sacred you have killed it and corrupted it.

We are committing mass murder in two countries b/c we hold that event sacred.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

The Best and the Brightest Led America Off a Cliff

“Political silence, total silence,” said Chris Hebdon, a Berkeley undergraduate. He went on to describe how various student groups gather at Sproul Plaza, the center of student activity at the University of California, Berkeley. These groups set up tables to recruit and inform other students, a practice know as “tabling.”

“Students table for Darfur, no one tables for Iraq. Tables on Sproul Plaza are ethnically fragmented, explicitly pre-professional (The Asian American Pre-Law or Business or Pre-Medicine Association). Never have I seen a table on globalization or corporatization. Students are as distracted and specialized and atomized as most of their professors. It’s vertical integration gone cultural. And never, never is it cutting-edge. Berkeley loves the slogan ‘excellence through diversity,’ which is a farce of course if one checks our admissions stats (most years we have only one or two entering Native Americans), but few recognize multiculturalism’s silent partner—fragmentation into little markets. Our Sproul Plaza shows that so well—the same place Mario Savio once stood on top a police car is filled with tens of tables for the pre-corporate, the ethnic, the useless cynics, the recreational groups, etc.”

“The system forgot to teach them, along the way to the prestige admissions and the lucrative jobs, that the most important achievements can’t be measured by a letter or a number or a name,” Deresiewicz wrote. “It forgot that the true purpose of education is to make minds, not careers.”

“Only a small minority have seen their education as part of a larger intellectual journey, have approached the work of the mind with a pilgrim soul,” he went on. “These few have tended to feel like freaks, not least because they get so little support from the university itself. Places like Yale, as one of them put it to me, are not conducive to searchers. Places like Yale are simply not set up to help students ask the big questions. I don’t think there ever was a golden age of intellectualism in the American university, but in the 19th century students might at least have had a chance to hear such questions raised in chapel or in the literary societies and debating clubs that flourished on campus.”

Barack Obama is a product of this elitist system. So are his degree-laden Cabinet members. They come out of Harvard, Yale, Wellesley and Princeton. Their friends and classmates made huge fortunes on Wall Street and in powerful law firms. They go to the same class reunions. They belong to the same clubs. They speak the same easy language of privilege and comfort and entitlement. They are endowed with an unbridled self-confidence and blind belief in a decaying political and financial system that has nurtured and empowered them.

These elites, and the corporate system they serve, have ruined the country. These elite cannot solve our problems. They have been trained to find “solutions,” such as the trillion-dollar bailout of banks and financial firms, that sustain the system. They will feed the beast until it dies. Don’t expect them to save us. They don’t know how. And when it all collapses, when our rotten financial system with its trillions in worthless assets implodes and our imperial wars end in humiliation and defeat, they will be exposed as being as helpless, and as stupid, as the rest of us.

7. marisacat - 10 December 2008

works for me… New School faculty no confidence vote in Kerrey….

[T]he no-confidence resolution, which has no direct impact but is intended to pressure the board of trustees to dismiss Mr. Kerry, was backed by 74 senior, tenured professors and opposed by 2, with one abstaining.

Afterward, many of the professors marched over to a scheduled meeting of the board of trustees to deliver a document denouncing Mr. Kerrey for making it “virtually impossible for the faculty to be properly involved in thoughtful and effective academic planning,” and declaring that the turnover in the provost’s office was “part of a larger pattern characterized by unilateral, impulsive and sometimes secret decision-making.” …snip…

8. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Students table for Darfur, no one tables for Iraq

THAT completely sums it up.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

Who Started the War on Christmas?

Back during the culture wars of the 1990s, Peter Brimelow, then a Fortune magazine editor, grew incensed with the increasing use of the phrase “Happy Holidays” by retailers like Amazon.com. “I just got real interested in the issue,” Brimelow told The Daily Beast, “because I noticed over the years there was this social shift taking place where people no longer said ‘Merry Christmas.’”

In his 1995 book, Alien Nation, Brimelow argued that the influx of “weird aliens with dubious habits” from developing nations was eroding America’s white Christian “ethnic core,” and in turn, sullying its cultural underpinnings. The War on Christmas was, in his view, a particularly pernicious iteration of the multicultural “struggle to abolish America.”

Brimelow went to his fellow Briton and Tory, John O’Sullivan, then editor of the conservative movement’s flagship publication, National Review, with a big idea. National Review should host “an annual competition for the most egregious attempt to suppress Christmas.” Though O’Sullivan liked Brimelow’s idea, he was replaced as editor on Christmas Eve 1997 by Rich Lowry.

With the exception of a 2001 column in which O’Sullivan blamed “religious minorities” for the War on Christmas, the issue disappeared from the pages of National Review. At the same time, the magazine jettisoned O’Sullivan’s anti-immigration politics in favor of the Big Tent conservatism preferred by younger writers like Jonah Goldberg and Ramesh Ponurru.

The shift at National Review forced Brimelow even further into the political wilderness. Shunned by conservatives there rankled by his unabashed racial resentment—Goldberg belittled him in a 2002 column as a “once respected conservative voice”—Brimelow founded what would become the internet’s leading anti-immigration web journal, VDare.com, named for the first British child born in the Americas. Brimelow’s new venture provided a forum to allies like Jared Taylor, a white supremacist publisher, and Kevin MacDonald, an evolutionary psychology professor who has argued that Jews are genetically equipped to out-compete Gentiles for resources and power. In 2003, four years after VDare’s founding, the Southern Poverty Law Center classified the journal as a “hate group.”

VDare became the staging ground for the War on the War on Christmas. Unlike their more respectable counterparts, Brimelow’s writers dared to name the true anti-Christian Grinch: Jews. The winner of Brimelow’s 2001 War on Christmas competition, a “paleoconservative” writer named Tom Piatak, insisted that those behind the assault on Christmas “evidently prefer” Hanukkah, which he called the “Jewish Kwanzaa,” a “faux-Christmas.” “Teaching children about Hanukkah, rather than the beliefs that actually sustained Jews on their sometimes tragic and tumultuous historical journey,” Piatak fumed, “inculcates negative lessons about Christianity, not positive ones about Judaism.”

Happy holidays!

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
11. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
12. NYCO - 10 December 2008

Honestly, I wish I could add BoingBoing to my list of “things that suck that are going away.” There are many things about the Roaring 2000s I will be sad to see go, but that cavalcade of cutesy-poo knitted junk interspersed with righteous rants about file-sharing and cyber-fi book plugs is not one of them. If this is the pinnacle of American intellectualism in the 21st century, please come, O Holy Asteroid of Obliteration. Whatever their business is, I hope it dries up soon.

(wow, that felt almost a little cathartic.)

13. marisacat - 10 December 2008

LOL

Jesse Jackson jr: I am not not not a target, however….

I have retained the advice of legal counsel, Mr. James Montgomery, Sr., who held his own press conference earlier this afternoon in Chicago. On his advice, and due to the ongoing investigation, I will not be taking any questions, but I do want to add one point before I leave.

This morning I got a text message from my little sister, who told me that she was proud — she was proud of what I’ve done for this nation. In the 14 years that I’ve nearly served in this Congress, I’ve tried to honor this institution, and I’ve tried to honor public service because I believe that it is a noble profession, that it is a profession that requires the highest possible sacrifice.

It is public service, but it is private sacrifice.

And so this morning she told me, “Jesse Jr., I’m proud of you.” That came from my little sister.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

12 – I wish I could say I was sorry, but since I’m a self-involved nerdy male I get a weird joy out of the idea that those links bug some people.

👿

15. NYCO - 10 December 2008

14. They don’t bug me really, they just bore me. BoingBoing has been doing the same shtick for years. (Maybe we all have…)

16. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

I never thought I’d say this but this is a very, very written AP article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081211/ap_on_en_mu/lt_chile_madonna

SANTIAGO, Chile – Madonna is causing “crazy enthusiasm” and “impure thoughts” on her first concert visit to Chile, a prominent retired cardinal complained on Wednesday, as he paused in a tribute to a late dictator to denounce the pop star.

Roman Catholic Cardinal Jorge Medina criticized the flamboyant singer during his homily at a Mass in honor of the late dictator Augusto Pinochet, who oversaw the deaths of some 3,200 dissidents during his 1973-1990 rule.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

16 – wow, talk about a completely fucked up moral compass.

Gov’s Arrest Derails Civil Unions Bill

The arrest of Governor Rod Blagojevich yesterday may have been the final nail in the coffin for a proposal to allow civil unions between same-sex couples in Illinois. The bill, the Illinois Religious Freedom and Civil Unions Act, was first introduced in February of 2007 and has been stalled in the state legislature ever since. Now time is running out for the bill, as the current General Assembly will expire at the end of the year. With only two remaining legislative days left, some political watchers say it is unlikely that the proposal will gain traction as the state tackles a growing budget crisis that so far includes a $2 billion deficit.

18. marisacat - 10 December 2008

with the Ill Lege’s desks so nice and clear, should be a snap to get that bill thru, the one that removes Blago’s ability to appoint anyone to anything. Lynne Sweet posted on it this am.

19. NYCO - 10 December 2008

Some stray thoughts from that 9/11 plushie thing though…

If you put a crucifix in a bottle of pee, it’s valid artistic expression. If you smash a bottle of pee that has a crucifix in it, it’s not valid artistic expression, it’s supposedly thuggery… I’m not sure where the bright line really is here, though.

So what’s destruction? What’s creative artistry? Who is qualified to be an artist?

The World Trade Center was some architect’s expression of a skyscraper; alas it was also an ugly building and some thought it was a desecration of the New York skyline (itself thought an expressive desecration by some). Then some Islamic fundamentalists decided to express themselves against the World Trade Center (and several thousand human bodies). Then some artist trying to make a name for herself decided to express herself against the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist “work of art” known as 9/11. Maybe some other artist will buy her plushies and videotape them having the stuffing pulled out of them and being burned. Hey! Art video… valid artistic expression… it’s always a desecration to someone.

The dance of Shiva.

As I grow older, desecration-based art becomes less fascinating. It all gets subsumed into war anyway. In peace, there is no art. No desire to “capture” any moment, no desire to express, no desire to desecrate which is much of what modern art is. Peace is pretty boring. Peace is rocks and trees. I’m not sure I want peace yet though (I paint pictures myself). I know we’re not headed for peace any time soon – opposite direction, I’m afraid.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

The dance of shiva is what we do. I like the constant battle, myself. I certainly understand people who don’t.

21. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Then some Islamic fundamentalists decided to express themselves against the World Trade Center (and several thousand human bodies).

Then some conspiracy theorists decided that Bin Laden and Zawahiri were just the Milli Vanilli of terrorism lipsinking a cabal of Israeli black ops and CIA.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
23. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

5 – yeah but the problem is, when I look at that “art” I’m not shocked or moved, only disgusted. It’s provoking, indeed, but the response it provokes is one of dismay that the “artist” had so little talent and originality. I would imagine that’s not the response that was aimed for.

It’s not about “desecration” but about bad art. If you are going to desecrate something, at least make it worthwhile and get your point across.

24. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Ben Smith on Politico

Transition site censors Blago questions

Obama’s supporters appear to be using a tool which allows them to remove all questions about Blagojevich.

SOS.
Now I would like to go on and on about this,
how it ties into the culture of corruption on the netroots,
how the Interpersonal Dynamics at play reveal a certain…….LOL.

The Paramedics told me upon leaving that this was the last time they’re comin out for another overdose on BlogDrahma..

Though, if HC is on, I did reply to the questions last raised about characters on As The Orange World Turns right As The Thread Changed…LOL. That’s it for tonight on it…Promise.

25. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Ob’s long been a site scrubber… the righties drove themselves nuts (and ketp me entertained) tracking it all the past months…

What a hoot!

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

How Each Nuclear-Capable Country Got Its Bombs, Visualized

Maybe the artist just thought they were cute. Maybe the whole point is how maudlin the entire episode has become. Jeez, look at the bad movies already made about it.

27. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

19 NYCO: The World Trade Center was some architect’s expression of a skyscraper; alas it was also an ugly building

Horrendous buildings – awful architecture, with fear and doom in its very DNA. Minoru Yamasaki was terrified of heights.

And then there was that ridiculous sculpture in the plaza, the one that looked like a big broken head. Ugh.

28. marisacat - 10 December 2008

Being in NY, down around the area, when they were building the WTC was awful. Aside from all the old streets it whisked away.

And I hope the wretched re-do plans never come to fruition.

29. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Though, if HC is on, I did reply to the questions last raised about characters on As The Orange World Turns right As The Thread Changed…LOL. That’s it for tonight on it…Promise.

Saw it.

I noted this.

What emerges to me is something else : A flame war by truly whacked wannabees with Dave, a Believer still, in Markos overhyped blog that overshadows just how cheaply political discourse can be manufactured, how participation in it in an online cage is ever so marginal…

It’s interesting because you tend to learn the truth about things like this when they flame out and the people running it get careless.

At one time it was an important website.

Dean 1.0

But two things really knocked it off center, the Paul campaign (Dean 2.0) and the Obama campaign (Dean 3.0). That’s why Kestrel (who seems to be a Dave ally now) worked so hard to censor any discussion of Paul’s campaign. Paul’s organization was a further development of what Dean started in 2003.

They couldn’t censor discussion of Obama. Oh wait, didn’t they basically drive the Hillary Clinton supporters off? So maybe they could have if they had decided to go in that direction.

But my guess is that they were getting $$$$ from the Edwards campaign and when it became obvious Edwards was going to lose, they lost direction.

Anyway, I never followed Danby as closely as you did, so I’m willing to believe it’s possible.

I also think that we all interpret stuff like this through our own ideological blinkers. “StupidAsshole” and “Mattes” are open to the Weiner angle because it places the censorship of I/P debates front and center.

That’s what’s so disorientating about a place like FSZ. FSZ has maybe 10-15 users and maybe 100 usernames and there are two or three users who get their kicks by their ability to confuse people on the internet.

And if it doesn’t work the first time, post the same diary again, then again, then twice a day, then three times a day, then three times a day under all your usernames. When someone finally notices you to get annoyed by you it means you’re an “artist”.

Clearing up that confusion (on Kos and other places) make it vaguely interesting to keep up on but in the end, the internet’s all about inertia. Once you start reading a website, you really want to get to the bottom of it. It’s just a form of alienation, of course.

30. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

26 Madman: Jeez, look at the bad movies already made about it.

Yes. Kind of strange when you think about it, because the actual event itself was more cinematic than any fake movie could ever be. There’s no point in doing a fictional version.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

There’s no point in doing a fictional version.

The movies are about the maudlin distortion of the real event. I’m still shocked how differently people outside NYC view that event, remember that event. It’s like a big, weepy Hallmark movie to them, only with real dead people.

Just saw this:

Obama makes pick for energy chief, sources say

WASHINGTON (CNN) — President-elect Barack Obama is likely to name Steven Chu, a physicist who runs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, as his energy secretary, three Democratic officials close to the transition said.

The three officials said the announcement is expected next week in Chicago, Illinois, and that Obama will also name Carol Browner, administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency in the Clinton administration, as the newly created “climate czar” inside the White House.

Chu won the 1997 Nobel Prize in physics and is highly respected in energy circles. But some Democrats have privately expressed concern that Chu has no political experience as he takes on the monumental task of passing a landmark energy reform bill early next year.

Although Browner is seen as a shrewd inside player who could help the incoming energy secretary navigate Capitol Hill, Obama will face questions about how effective his team will be going up against oil companies and other special interests that do not want to change the status quo.

32. Heather-Rose Ryan - 10 December 2008

28 Mcat: And I hope the wretched re-do plans never come to fruition.

Well I don’t think they will – at least not the way they’re planned. It has become a battlefield, thanks to all the egos and agendas, etc. Nothing good can come of it.

They should simply turn it into a park and let nature deal with transmuting the toxins and bad vibes.

33. Hair Club for Men - 10 December 2008

Being in NY, down around the area, when they were building the WTC was awful. Aside from all the old streets it whisked away.

Another interesting bit of WTC trivia.

The “hardhat riot” (construction workers beating up some high school kids on Wall Street — and cheered by Nixon for doing it –for having a rally about Kent State), was organized out of construction workers working on the World Trade Center.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
35. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Holy Fuck! Ron Wyden was just outed as the “Master of Flémalle”

Senator from Oregon, right? Jesus.
Let me get my reading glasses.

36. NYCO - 10 December 2008

And I hope the wretched re-do plans never come to fruition.

Yeah, another thing for the “Things That Suck Are Going Away” list.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

I’m glad they’re gonna wrap up the story.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

oops, never mind … that comment belonged elsewhere!

39. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

So does this…

29 LOL. Christ, this is like having Strangelove’s Arm…
Stop it! Stop it, I say! LOL

I never followed Danby that closely , noticed at the time when the pass was given to an admitted sockperative of sorts, the nutrooter run he “managed” , the military posture, the Remain Calm choice of apologetics, and remembered. Very conflicted.

Kestrel IIRC did go for the Jan? Mar? 07 ? March on DC , with some other Orangers, small tourist contigent,…

40. CSTAR - 10 December 2008

# 16. According to the Yahoo article

Medina, the cardinal who was chosen to announce the election of Pope Benedict XV.

Wrong. That was the BF pope. The current one is the BS pope.

41. catnip - 10 December 2008

Honeys, I’m ho-ome!

What’s for dinner?

42. marisacat - 10 December 2008

cheesecake!

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

Hi catnip!

44. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Marry Me, Catnip!

45. catnip - 10 December 2008

Woohoo!! 🙂

(See, MitM? mcat feeds me cheesecake and you…do not!)

46. catnip - 10 December 2008

Marry Me, Catnip!

Are you serious??

(That’s my stock answer to all marriage proposals.) 😉

47. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

yes, my canadian love!

48. marisacat - 10 December 2008

well I am pretty lousy cook but I did used to make desserts.. 🙄
cheesecake, Lindy’s style, among them.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008

I shared cheesecake with you at your site the other day …. it’s not my fault you didn’t appreciate it!

😆

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 December 2008
51. catnip - 10 December 2008

47. yes, my canadian love!

Let me check my schedule and I’ll get back to you. 🙂

49. That was your kind of manly, manly cheesecake. I wanted food, Monsieur Cheesehead.

Air kisses for mcat.

52. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Let me check my schedule and I’ll get back to you.

{ Sometime Later}

…having kept them waiting while “waiting for a call” ,
the Cab Company was eventually forced to sue the heartbroken groom for 643,000 Dollars..

53. BooHooHooMan - 10 December 2008

Elise now holding forth on Designer Vaginas on DK

Don’t know if she’s For or Agin’ ’em.
I was afraid to click thru for fear she had her Flickr account up…

LOL.

54. catnip - 10 December 2008

😆

55. bayprairie - 11 December 2008

pickling on cucumbers in the last thread, i see.

i bet our koala gentleman with the kind, curious eyes at the top of the thread would be more forgiving. if perhaps only of the leaves.

56. marisacat - 11 December 2008

hmm Reuters in the NYT… off to check Ha’aretz:

JERUSALEM (Reuters) – President-elect Barack Obama plans to offer Israel a strategic pact designed to fend off any nuclear attack on the Jewish state by Iran, an Israeli newspaper reported on Thursday.

Quoting an unnamed American source close to Obama, Haaretz daily said Obama’s administration would pledge under the proposed “nuclear umbrella” to respond to any Iranian nuclear strike against Israel with a U.S. retaliation in kind. The U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv had no immediate comment.

Asked about the report, an Israeli government official said only: “We do not engage in speculation whose source is unclear.” ..snipwhippy…

57. marisacat - 11 December 2008

55

I would love to feel his fur…. assuming he is a he of course.

58. bayprairie - 11 December 2008

i wondered about that after i pressed “say it” and went off to look at google images comparing male and female. i do see some identified as males that have a colored vest. and i see females with their “joey”. evidently they only eat the leaves of certain types of eucalyptus leaves. so i suppose they would frown on the cucumbers as well.

59. marisacat - 11 December 2008

hmm Ha’aretz… Seems ti is a ‘if they nuke you we will nuke them’. No one is happy.

“What is the significance of such guarantee when it comes from those who hesitated to deal with a non-nuclear Iran?” asked a senior Israeli security source. “What kind of credibility would this [guarantee have] when Iran is nuclear-capable?”

The same source noted that the fact that there is talk about the possibility of a nuclear Iran undermines efforts to prevent Tehran from acquiring such arms.

A senior Bush administration source said that the proposal for an American nuclear umbrella for Israel was ridiculous and lacked credibility. “Who will convince the citizen in Kansas that the U.S. needs to get mixed up in a nuclear war because Haifa was bombed? And what is the point of an American response, after Israel’s cities are destroyed in an Iranian nuclear strike?”

60. bayprairie - 11 December 2008

“Who will convince the citizen in Kansas that the U.S. needs to get mixed up in a nuclear war because Haifa was bombed?

the wizard of OB?

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

60 – LOL

If anybody is going to start that war, it’s gonna be the fucking Israelis.

62. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Looks like Jack Layton and the NDP are going down the “change” route.

http://www.canadaeast.com/news/article/500862

OTTAWA – New Democrats will stop opposing Canada’s war in Afghanistan while the party is in league with the Liberals, the NDP’s deputy leader declared Wednesday.

…..

In order to seal its coalition with the Liberals on Monday, NDP Leader Jack Layton gave up the party’s demand for a reversal of planned corporate tax cuts, but made no mention of the war.

Asked this week whether their position on Afghanistan had changed, several New Democrat MPs laughed nervously and ducked the question.

63. NYCO - 11 December 2008

Union Linked to Illinois Corruption Scandal

The federal criminal complaint filed against Mr. Blagojevich said his chief of staff, John Harris, had suggested to a [SEIU] official that the union should help make the governor the head of Change to Win, the federation of seven unions that broke away form the A.F.L.-C.I.O. The complaint said Mr. Blagojevich was seeking a position that paid $250,000 to $300,000 a year.

In exchange, the complaint strongly suggested, the service employees union and Change to Win would help persuade Mr. Blagojevich to name Valerie Jarrett, President-elect Barack Obama’s first choice, as the state’s new senator. And the union would get help from the Obama administration, presumably for its legislative agenda.

“Yes. I believe we can. Help you, that is. Yes we can.”

64. NYCO - 11 December 2008

The complaint said Mr. Blagojevich was seeking a position that paid $250,000 to $300,000 a year.

Um, is it just me or does that seem like kind of a cheap figure? C’mon, isn’t the purchase price of democracy worth more than $300K?

65. wu ming - 11 December 2008

they look cute, but koalas aren’t terribly cuddly. they’re bony, not soft at all, and then there’s the eucalyptus smell.

as for chu, it’s rather amazing an actual scientist is going to be in charge of energy. sometimes i wonder if the “not politically savvy” isn’t just DCspeak for “isn’t a retread insider hack like us.”

as if academics isn’t chock full o’ political wrangling, lobbying and bureaucratic infighting.

66. catnip - 11 December 2008

62. Layton would sell his own mother to get more political power.

67. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Tapper:

The language the President-elect used was careful. He didn’t say there had been no contacts or that no one on his staff was aware that Blagojevich was allegedly trying to make an exchange where Blagojevich secured a lucrative job for himself or his wife in exchange for his appointing Mr. Obama’s preferred candidate, friend and adviser Valerie Jarrett, to take his place in the U.S. Senate.

Rather, Mr. Obama said no one would have had any part of a deal. More information would follow, he said.

68. catnip - 11 December 2008

From Inhofe’s EPW press blog:

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? – Warming Fears in ‘Dustbin of History’

Shorter Inhofe: sun = hot!

69. aemd - 11 December 2008

Tilts head to the left, then to the right.
Hmmm…
Ya know, if Mr (or Ms) Koala was dribblin’ some popcorn instead of chewing eucalyptus and ya replaced the tree branch with an iced pounder….

Damn…the facial expression could of be me when I first heard Blagojevich was busted.

New Illinios State Motto…”We’re all Hawaiians now” 🙂

BTW, Billmon noticed The Ones first “Hirohito Moment” and gets taken to task by the Chosen followers. Dana is displeased. LOL…

Good times.

70. catnip - 11 December 2008

From the Army Times:

Ex-Guard commander: Chemical caused cancer

The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Dec 11, 2008 6:29:53 EST

WILLIAMS, Ind. — A former Indiana National Guard commander diagnosed with terminal cancer believes his illness was caused by exposure to toxic chemicals at a water pumping plant in Iraq.

Retired Lt. Col. James Gentry, 51, is under hospice care and has been told he has only weeks to live, The Times-Mail of Bedford reported Wednesday in its online edition. But his concern isn’t just for himself.

“I’m very concerned about the … other soldiers,” said Gentry, who requires assistance to move from a living room chair to the dining room table in his home about 70 miles southwest of Indianapolis.

Gentry was commander of the 1st Battalion, 152nd Infantry, which was assigned to guard the Qarmat Ali water pumping plant in Basrah, Iraq, shortly after the U.S. invasion in 2003. Sixteen soldiers from the unit filed a federal lawsuit last week against defense contractor KBR Inc., saying its employees knowingly allowed them to be exposed to sodium dichromate, a known carcinogen, while guarding the water plant.

Gentry is not a party to the suit, but he believes he was exposed to the chemical.

The chemical, used to remove pipe corrosion, is especially dangerous because it contains hexavalent chromium, which is known to cause birth defects and cancer, particularly lung cancer, according to the suit. The cancer can take years to develop…

Nothing like having your private contractors killing off your own soldiers.

71. marisacat - 11 December 2008

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Yeah that was my reaction too. I am Hawai’ian. Never been to Chicago. A staffer is in error.

Not enough popcorn in the whirled

**

70

Over and over the illnesses they come home with, across all the foreign wars is the biggest proof, it will come home. We think we depart to some great mythical “over there” and enslave the local population and everything here goes on same as ever.

Local news, which very quickly in 2003, 2004 was showing issues with reserves (marriages and mortgages under fire and going, small businesses unable to survive loss of half of a couple, etc) and issues of regular mil serving abroad, injuries, issues of care at home, both parents serving, grandparents or relative trying to keep the children, “back door draft”, lots of stories on that… families opposed to the war but with a child serving, you name it we had broad based stories… etc… has by now shut down.

We see homecomings. Camera on the small children or the baby born while dad was away.

End of story. IMO it’s OBAMA’S war now.

72. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Bail Out is gonna belong to the Democrats. How can this be so? The scuttle from someone’s butt the past few weeks is that the R would come around, afraid to kill their own populist fiction if they did not support the Detroit bail.

Wonders never cease. Everyone says they are dead.

73. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

BTW, Billmon noticed The Ones first “Hirohito Moment” and gets taken to task by the Chosen followers. Dana is displeased. LOL…

Actually Billmon’s buying into 60 year old propaganda.

Taking the formal language of the Japanese court (and Japanese doesn’t translate well into English anyway) and putting it into the media to be judged by the “folksy” standards of American politics (How Am I doin, You Betcha) was just another way of saying “those Japanese are weird and it’s good we nuked them.”

74. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Let’s hope it doesn’t become a habit. — Billmon

Well Billmon is long since in the pre-orgasmics for Obama. It already IS a habit. He just ignores it.

75. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Here’s the sentence right after the one Billmon quotes.

Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Personally I find the whole ritual of Grant letting Lee and his generals keep their swords at Appomatox just as, or even sillier than the Hirohito’s surrender speech.

Here’s Lee’s surrender statement.

General: I have received your note of this date. Though not entertaining the opinion you express of the hopelessness of further resistance on the part of the Army of Northern Virginia, I reciprocate your desire to avoid useless effusion of blood, and therefore, before considering your proposition, ask the terms you will offer on condition of its surrender.

Pretty stilted in its own right. But the joke wouldn’t have come off the same way because Lee (even though he was defending a state and a cause as despicable as Japanese fascism) is considered a tragic figure not a silly one and it wouldn’t have been useful as a way to mock Obama.

76. marisacat - 11 December 2008

LOL that’s fine for conversational gambit, but you do see that this is Dkos tactics: Let’s nto discuss Obama and his obfuscation and delays. Let’s discuss Hirohito and cultural, linquistic and whatever else from 60 years ago. (Quite a few things are operative in that thread, in addition to the usual, ‘everything is a joke’ to the Koswhacks, har har har)

I am not a fan of billmon (anymore), and knowing how threads go at Dkos would never have handed the shits Hirohito and related non-issues… but the item up for discussion was Obama. And not Hirohito.

But of course it can be all about Hirohito, if one wants it not to be Ob. Or pooties. Or recipies. Or, is billmon a troll.

I mean we say things are going great in the Centcom region … better to use a general of today. Westmoreland is always useful. Jsut to drive home what the real issue is.

LOL See how that works.

77. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

You could also use the Admiral Beatty variation.

“Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today.”

The British were really pretty piss poor shipbuilders compared to the Germans. They built 800 foot long, 35,000 ton battlecruisers but neglected to armor the decks or the ammunition lockers.

So they had a bad habit of exploding when the Germans scored a lucky hit. The British lost several of these ships at the Battle of Jutland after the Germans opened up on them (ie 1500 sailers being incinerated alive several times over in the space of 20-30 minutes)

And Beatty’s response was

“Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today.”

But once again, Beatty, like Lee, was a white guy and white guy’s doing this are stoic, tragic, understated, not ridiculous like Asian ones.

78. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 December 2008

Went to look at the Billmon fracas and ended up reading the Feminizzizizzms diary by Elise in which she gets to say the word “vagina” (or the breezily casual “vag”, as she seems to prefer) a lot. Woo hoo!

She gets into a tizwhiz with “rserven” about how it’s bad for women to have cosmetic vaginal surgery but no, really, it’s perfectly OK for transgender men to have it. Elise is not quite smart enough to explain her dubious reasoning in any coherent fashion, so she goes round and round, babbling…. quite hilarious.

and “taylormattd” is everywhere. Apparently he has nothing else to do in his life except post on DKos.

I am so glad I have nothing to do with that place anymore! What a colossal colony of twits.

79. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Let’s nto discuss Obama and his obfuscation and delays. Let’s discuss Hirohito and cultural, linquistic and whatever else from 60 years ago.

I agree that Obama’s handling of this is pretty ridiculous.

I’m just pointing out that you wouldn’t make the same kind of snarky remarks about the Holocaust or 9/11 as you would about Hiroshima.

What makes me a little uncomfortable about Billmon’s comparison (and a lot of comparison’s like this) is how it seems to say that Obama’s election means we’ve become like a “non-white” authoritarian country.

Admittedly, we have become a banana republic and people did say some of the same things about Bush (calling him “Dear Leader” etc.) but I don’t see it coming at the same level of ferocity as I do now.

80. marisacat - 11 December 2008

You missed the ferocity against Bush? How is that possible. I OD’d on the Democrats using Bush years ago. It became a dead end of hate and piling on. A diversion. Worst president of all time, is one example. Stated and restated by people who probably have no clue about much of anything.

And Ob certainly may be criticised without the implication (whch I don’t get off billmon, he is a ww2 buff iirc) that we are “now”, suddenly,a non white authoritarian country.

Of course imo Ob is a non white authoritarian. But whites constantly elevate people who fill the bill. So………………… but his election is, for now, reaction. No idea where it will go.

He will have to (if he can, I think he is constitutionally unsuited to getting better at this) smarten up in his reaction to things that involve him. Because as Pretzel many things will involve him.

Then again his reactions are those of an atty: Defensive Overall, very bad news. Legalistic and not based on leadership qualities.

Whatever those are anymore in this country.

81. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

You missed the ferocity against Bush? How is that possible.

I didn’t see the same level of accusation of “cultishness” about Bush’s supporter’s as I do about Obama’s. And Bush’s supporters were trying to justify obviously cooked intelligence designed to justify invading Iraq. The corruption in Illinois doesn’t quite rise to this level.

Of course imo Ob is a non white authoritarian. But whites constantly elevate people who fill the bill.

Whether or not Obama turns into an authoritarian is still up for debate but at this point, he’s still someone who won an election. And I didn’t see white elevating him. I saw a very, very competative primary against Hillary Clinton. Had Hillary won, and had I said “well Bill just put her in office to continue his own agenda” I would have (probably justifiably) been accused of sexism.

Then again his reactions are those of an atty: Defensive Overall, very bad news. Legalistic and not based on leadership qualities.

Yes. And had Billmon compared Obama to Bill Clinton at his most ridiculous, I would have wholeheartedly agreed.

I just don’t think Billmon hit the right note. In fact, it seemed designed to get a reaction that would justify some sort of sulkly, pouty reaction on his part. The fact that I don’t buy into every criticism I hear about Obama doesn’t make me a cultist any more than not laughing at a bad joke makes me uptight.

Sometimes a bad joke is just a bad joke.

82. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

But moving away from Billmon and Hirohito and the greatest single act of mass murder in human history to Obama and the corruption in Illinois, I wholeheartedly agree with you

A lot of Illinois politicians just looked the other way while an obviously insane, criminally insane man held the highest elected office in the state.

Obama should have come out and said something like “we should have impeached him last year. I guess I’m partly to blame for not speaking up sooner.”

83. marisacat - 11 December 2008

It’s US News and Whirled Report but a round up of reports, iwth links, on the Ob reaction.

USA Today quotes Emory University political scientist Merle Black saying that “questions about the Blagojevich case will be a ‘huge distraction'” for Obama’s team, “and they need to address” the scandal “as soon as possible.'”

84. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

And I will plead guilty to exessive Clinton hatred dating back to at least 1995 and to cheering Obama on simply because I thought he was going to get rid of both of them.

Joke was certainly on me……

85. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Anybody wtih prayer circles going is the object of a cult.

He dragged all that overwhelming suffocating religionism along with him… til he jettisoned parts of it as he had to to survive.

Of course Hillary and Bill wanted her back inthe WH with the title of president, to benefit Bill as well. They made no secret he wanted a third term, she laughed he had looked at all angles if he could be her VP. To say that, as a critic of Bill and HIll (which I have done over and over for years), that is not sexism. I posted here several times the ABC interview in early 2007 with Bill in Malawi where he said that “of course I would nto be president all the time [if Hillary wins].

ABC did nto point out, editorially what he said, they just played it over and over. It was Kate Snow iwht him in Malawi.

NOR is saying Ob is a non white authoritarian, racist. Tho anyone who wishes to think so, be my guest.

86. marisacat - 11 December 2008

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well you are the one who supported Ob (it’s called voting for him) and knew nothing at all of Blago. You did not read about Illinois politics over the past two years Ob was running? Leaf thru the media in Chicago, the big papers, but also, Chicago Reader and others who have covered Ob?

Not like that stuff was inaccessible, or something. It was all there to read and think about.

87. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Of course Hillary and Bill wanted her back inthe WH with the title of president, to benefit Bill as well.

But Hillary in the end wound up developing her own following independently of Bill, so effectively, in fact, that the only campaign the Republicans had at all was a sort of farcical echo of the one she ran in the Spring. And the gates just slammed shut when McCain chose Palin in a clumsy way to pick up disgruntled Hillary supporters.

NOR is saying Ob is a non white authoritarian, racist. Tho anyone who wishes to think so, be my guest.

Well, to get off the angle of racism for a moment, to label him an authoritarian is to deny the fact that he’s the first president to come into office with a clear majority of the votes since Bush I. Clinton didn’t get a majority in 92 (although he creamed Dole in 96) and Bush had to steal the election in 2000 and arguably steal it in 2004.

I guess what bothers me in the long run is the sense that a lot of Obama’s critics seem angrier at the people who voted for Obama than with the structural blocks against democracy that existed at least since Obama was in grade school. That strikes me as a lot more authoritarian than a prayer meeting.

88. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

well you are the one who supported Ob (it’s called voting for him) and knew nothing at all of Blago.

Had there been solid proof that Rezko had gotten Obama a deal on a house it wouldn’t have affected my vote. Neither would the fact that the governer of Illinois was obviously corrupt.

So far there isn’t much more than guilt by association. I’m actually happy a Democrat from outside of the South broke the stranglehold that region has on American politics.

If there’s any ties between Obama and Blagovich that rise to the level of criminal, impeach him and put in Biden. I’d have no problem with that. But I’m not seeing it.

I think there are way too many distractions. Attack Obama on his stance on Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, the bailout, Fisa, not on everything that’s ever gone wrong in Illinois.

89. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Clear majority has nothing to do with whether Ob is an authoritarian type or not. Bush 1 was easily, arguably, a deference to Reagan.

Prayer circles, to say nothing of the tongue hanging out, hand outstretched fucked religious types he will be supporting thru the Office of Faith Based Initiatives, has to do with CULT issues. Promoting himself as the object of a cult. That religious shit he lobs has to do with authoritarianism. IMO.

Or you can wander thru the Obama Messiah site that has been linked here (an easy google). Read the slobber from his supporters. known names and hapless voters.

Well of course she gathered her own following. The two of them ran in every state in the union and the protectorates. It was bound to happen. He and his always seemed shocked that she had a dedicated following. That manger mentality… he is Jesus and thus divine and only.

It’s a good con.

90. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Clear majority has nothing to do with whether Ob is an authoritarian type or not.

Yeah. That’s what they keep telling me about Chavez and Evo Morales.

I don’t know if Obama has an authoritarian personality or not. Maybe he does. But I don’t see it as any more authoritarian than Hillary or McCain or Edwards of Bill Clinton. Once again, I think it’s a distraction.

The system is authoritarian. Bringing it down to personalities clouds the issue.

I think Chomsky gets it about right.

The response to the election was interesting and instructive. It kept pretty much to the soaring rhetoric, to borrow the cliché, that was the major theme of the election. The election was described as an extraordinary display of democracy, a miracle that could only happen in America, and on and on. Much more extreme in Europe even than here. There’s some accuracy in that, if we keep to the West. So if we keep to the West, yes, it’s probably true that it couldn’t have happened anywhere else. Europe is much more racist than the United States, and you wouldn’t expect anything like that to happen. On the other hand, if we look at the world, it’s not that remarkable.

So, let’s take, say, the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere: Haiti and Bolivia. In Haiti, there was an election in 1990, which really was an extraordinary display of democracy, much more so than this. In Haiti, there were grassroots movements, popular movements that developed in the slums and in the hills, which nobody was paying any attention to. And they managed, even without any resources, to sweep into power their own candidate, a populist priest, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. That’s a victory for democracy, when popular movements can organize and set programs and pick their candidate and put him into office, which is not what happened here, of course. I mean, Obama did organize a great large number of people and many enthusiastic people, what’s called in the press “Obama’s Army.” But the army is supposed to take instructions, not to implement, to introduce, develop programs and call on its own candidate to implement them. That’s critical. If the army keeps to that condition, nothing much will change. If it, on the other hand, goes the way activists did in the ’60s, a lot could change, one of the choices that has to be made.

91. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Attack Obama on his stance on Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, the bailout, Fisa, not on everything that’s ever gone wrong in Illinois.

All of which has been done here.

He ran on change. I was interested in seeing who he was. ‘Cuz he did not look like change. Nor did he come from any particular back ground that shouted change. Nothing about him is change. Down to the dragging on the ground statements running around that change just meant “regime change”, he is not Bush.

Well anyone then is change.

You overstate the issues rising in Illinois right now. This will generally blow over. But it will not go away. The real issue is his usual response to things that involve him. Was not here, did not know, did not hear, was not me, it was a staffer.

It’s long been my guess he cannot change. THat is instinctive, reinforced by the legal training. As he said to the fellow taking that OTHER seat of his in Springfield, when asked for advice, “Stay out of jail”.

It’s hilarious, in retrospect.

92. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

He ran on change. I was interested in seeing who he was. ‘Cuz he did not look like change. Nor did he come from any particular back ground that shouted change. Nothing about him is change. Down to the dragging on the ground statements running around that change just meant “regime change”, he is not Bush.

I half agree.

We’re seeing Clinton 3.0 and that’s a lot worse than even the low expectations I had.

But I also don’t think we walk right into a corrupt system, appoint a bunch of leftist staffers and change the system overnight.

THAT ASSUMPTION IS AUTHORITARIAN.

I think it’s a long term process. I DON’T think the Republic sit in’s victory would have happened had McCain won. I think the mobilization of large numbers of people (even the sillier ones) is a good thing. I think the real struggle comes when the discontent with Obama inevitably sets in.

Who wins that discontent? The left or the Hannity/Limbaugh right? The discontent is the ground to struggle on.

93. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I don’t know if Obama has an authoritarian personality or not. Maybe he does. But I don’t see it as any more authoritarian than Hillary or McCain or Edwards of Bill Clinton.

Where did I say they are not.

Certainly Bill thinking he can be president when he wants to be, if Hillary is elected, is authoritarian. And a few other things.

I have denigrated them all – longer than you know.. Maybe not to suit some people, the donkeytales of the earth and the internet mentality, but then again it’s not like the (donk shadow or other) tales of the earth MATTER.

94. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

The real issue is his usual response to things that involve him.

But yeah, I think you’re right about this.

Obama’s a guy who fits in, not a guy who rocks the boat. I think his election and the mobilization around it created some openings. I don’t think his administration will.

95. marisacat - 11 December 2008

But I also don’t think we walk right into a corrupt system, appoint a bunch of leftist staffers and change the system overnight.

This is getting basic.

If any poor sod expects that to happen, they are fools. The lousy Democrats dragged Ob and Hill to the curb, displayed them to us and said, this is it. T his is what you get. With Edwards playing SWB courtier in case both of them died or soemthing.

Certainly no one here considered Ob a leftist, at all. No one here is surprised he is center right, that this is Clinton 3 (tho everyone should be a little stunned how very much so) overly cautious and already protecting his ass over very very small stuff.

You know, either he met with Blago in the afternoon of Nov 5 or he did not.

That is such sheer crap that for it to be out there, just hanging, erased from the site that reported on it, screen captures and caches floating aropund it ridiculous.

He should clear that up. Take care of it.

It si bush level. Try ot think if this were Bush.

Another big thing, he sould have not perpetuated the Office of Poltiical Director. That began with Rove. GET RID OF IT. What does he do. Puts Axelrod in.

Geesh. This is not even hard stuff.

Possibly you have these gentle feelings for Ob because, for instance, yo never heard of Blago till the fed investigation reached the presser with FitzWhatever.

96. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Hillary actually surprised me with her speech at the convention.

It was actually a rather interesting process to see her “come into her own” during the second half of the primary.

She really is a hero to every women in my family over 50. I really don’t think she fought Obama to a draw because of Bill. I think she did manage to strike some chord with a huge number of people. Actually I think Bill wound up hurting her.

Had it just been Obama putting Hillary in the cabinet, it wouldn’t have bothered me that much. It was Summers and Rubin that irked me. But I guess you take the whole crowd with the Clintons.

Though it’s possible she would have been able to continue to develop in a populist direction had she won. She was certainly empowered by it. Even if it was fake, at some point that kind of fake populism becomes real IF you keep drawing power from it.

97. marisacat - 11 December 2008

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Oh people like to say that Ob’s Army is ‘his stick over congress’.

Ob became an obsession for people. That is dangerous, or could be, in America they will jsut move on, is my guess.

98. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

It si bush level. Try ot think if this were Bush.

Well let’s take Palin instead.

At some point during the general election, I tried to work myself up into a righteous lather about Ted Stevens and the Murkowskis and the general corrupt culture of Alaska.

But I eventually admitted to myself that it wasn’t the main problem with her.

And judging Obama as “as bad as Bush” before he’s even invaded anybody pisses on the graves of all those Iraqis.

Bush was a monster. I was actually sickened to see Obama in the White House with him the day after the election.

That’s actually more damning to me than his relationship with a petty crook like Blagojavich, the fact that he’s not going to go after Bush and Cheney and call for more investigations.

99. Heather-Rose Ryan - 11 December 2008

Jesse Ventura was right: Obama isn’t change, just more of the same.

The caginess about contact with Blago is indicative of this. If Obama has nothing to fear, let him lay it all out there.

100. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Oh people like to say that Ob’s Army is ‘his stick over congress’.

Well that’s just patently false on the surface since the Democrats control about as much of Congress as they’re ever going to. What’s he going to do, threaten to throw elections to Republicans.

But I think if you look at the election from the point of view of the ruling class, you can see that the “stick” is the ambiguity. Had McCain/Palin managed to win on their right wing, racist, xenophobic campaign, the ruling class would have said “OK. The American people are in line. Let’s invade Iran.”

But if Obama’s crowds scare you one way, they scare the fatcats at the banks in another way. Mass mobilizations, even the shallow kind, are volitile and unpredictible. The ruling class hates that.

Once again, I think the terrain to struggle on will be the discontent when people realize, inevitably realize Obama is “more of the same.”

The Hannitys, Limbaughs, O’Reillys and the Jerome Corsis are going to be out there beating the drums on the right.

How do you steal this discontent from the right? That’s the question.

101. marisacat - 11 December 2008

And judging Obama as “as bad as Bush” before he’s even invaded anybody pisses on the graves of all those Iraqis.

I did not say he was bad as Bush. It is now effectively his war, however. His wars.

He ran ion that bullshit (and based on nothing in his record but one speech), that he would end it, end the “mind set” as he put it. Poor hapless voters did not read his words closely, about terror and retaliation, about Iran, about Afghanistan.

Then he picks Biden and Hillary.

You have to laugh.

102. marisacat - 11 December 2008

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Did yo think he would go after Bush? At all? I mean there is vague little dribbles here and there, for the quaking leftishcer mice to chew on, like limp lettuce.

The game was always to take over, absorb, inherit the bush cheney power grab.

Which I said voer and over.

The ONLY thing I hope for is that things are so bad, will get worse (this is not the hope) that Ob and his crew will have to beef up some programs and might throw some money out ot the starving and unemployed. But again, that is the old division of Right and So Called Left. In terms of party hegemony. It is considered their duty to protect their constituency by throwing out some soup bones, but not too many, to the poor.

Meanwhile we stay trapped.

Frankly I think FitzWhatever [may have] moved early to save Rahm. A distinct possibility. I cannot see that Rahm was not in active negotiations with Blago. Of some sort… which is not to say he was making illegal offers. It would be surprising if he were not..

103. marisacat - 11 December 2008

fwiw… and it’s reported Rahm is declining questions as reporters find him here or there. So what will he do? Not be with Ob at pressers?

Jackson Jr.’s attorney, James Montgomery, held a news conference of his own in Chicago Wednesday afternoon. He said “you may be assured Jesse Jr. has done no wrongdoing.”

In two other interesting developments Wednesday, NBC Chicago learned that Jackson Jr. was given a phone call from the U.S. Attorney’s Office the night before the governor was taken into custody, advising him that the arrest was imminent. Also, the congressman’s father, Jesse Jackson Sr., has retained legal council following the Blagojevich arrest.

104. NYCO - 11 December 2008

Re stiff-upper-lip euphemisms: My favorite is from A Bridge Too Far, when the outnumbered Brits, shot to pieces with no hope at Arnhem Bridge by the Germans, see a German commander with a white flag bravely venturing out to discuss surrender terms.

“We can’t accept your surrender,” say the Brits. “We haven’t got the facilities to take you prisoner.”

105. marisacat - 11 December 2008

LOL

December 11, 2008, 5:01 pm

Scrambling for Obama’s Senate Seat Begins Anew

By Michael Falcone

Not even the taint of scandal can put politics on hold.

With a special election to fill the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama a possibility, at least one potential contender, Representative Jan Schakowsky, got an early start on her not-yet-official campaign.

106. catnip - 11 December 2008

Memo to BHHM:

I have an opening for a marriage from April, 2009 – August, 2009.

Your immediate attention to this matter is appreciated.

– catnip
CC: my 2 cats

107. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Did yo think he would go after Bush? At all? I mean there is vague little dribbles here and there, for the quaking leftishcer mice to chew on, like limp lettuce.

Well, he’s a lawyer, so I never believed that he would come out and say “I’m going to throw this entire crew in jail as soon as I get into office.” That’s just not the way they think.

But I was hoping he’d come in and just roll back some of the more egregious laws passed under Bush. I was hoping he’d treat the Patriot Act, for example, the way Roosevelt treated Prohibition.

The number of repeal organizations and demand for repeal both increased. In 1932, the Democratic Party’s platform included a plank for the repeal of Prohibition, and Democrat Franklin Roosevelt ran for President of the United States promising repeal of federal laws of Prohibition. By then, an estimated three fourths of American voters, and an estimated forty-six states, favored repeal.

I was hoping maybe he’d rise to the level of Warren Harding and just get rid of a lot of the fascist precedents Bush set the way Harding rolled back a lot of Wilson’s authoritarianism. Harding, for example, just let Eugene Debs out of jail.

Debs was in prison for opposing Wilson’s draft; despite the many political differences between the two candidates, when Harding became President, he pardoned Debs.

It still might happen. But I’m disappointed at just what a weak character he seems. He’s not evil or crazy. He’s just weak.

And I think Hillary sized him up during the primaries and when she realized she couldn’t win she decided to grab as much of the vote she could. That way she’d have the ability to sink his campaign if she wanted to. I think she said to him “here’s what I want” and he said “sure.”

But that’s just political reality. The Clintons know how to play this game. Very few people on the “left” really do.

108. catnip - 11 December 2008

107. But I was hoping he’d come in and just roll back some of the more egregious laws passed under Bush. I was hoping he’d treat the Patriot Act, for example, the way Roosevelt treated Prohibition.

There’s that “h” word again – a very effective campaign tool, obviously.

109. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Then he picks Biden and Hillary.

Hillary held all the cards. Obama couldn’t have won without her support. The primaries were basically a 49 to 45 football game where Obama got seven touchdowns in the first half and Hillary got six touchdowns and a field goal. By the time everything was over, Obama had won and Hillary was in a stronger position.

Note. I’m not saying there’s any real ideological or political differences between them, just the normal clash of egos you have at this level of power, just a conflict about whose people get jobs and who gets to set the agenda.

Looking back at the primaries, it’s pretty obvious that when Obama let Samantha Power go for something as trivial as he did, you knew that he realized he needed the Clintons.

As for the “left”, the Democrats needed them to jump start the 2006 election. In fact, I remember Democratic Party operatives in my neighborhood giving out campaign material that could have come right out of an anti-war rally. “Bush. Wrong about Iraq. Wrong About the War on Terror. Just Plain Wrong.”

After they took Congress, they didn’t need “us” any more.

How do “we” learn how to play political hardball the way the Clintons do?

110. marisacat - 11 December 2008

He’s just weak.

Which I said all along. Eventually it becomes a stand in for evil. Try to remember all the promises and to be blunt, just fucking bullshit that was rolled out. A savior.

La Nan said out here in summer (and it certainly was reported) at a big three tier fundrasier, at which Ob pandered to wealthy S Asians, that he “was sent to us by God”

And I think Hillary sized him up during the primaries and when she realized she couldn’t win she decided to grab as much of the vote she could. That way she’d have the ability to sink his campaign if she wanted to. I think she said to him “here’s what I want” and he said “sure.”

That was just so evident it laughably funny. Most entertaining was her forcing him to Puerto Rico, about the last damned place he wanted to be. It was a scream.

111. marisacat - 11 December 2008

After they took Congress, they didn’t need “us” any more.

for the millionth time, they have done this… In fact their dismissal of the hapless base (which is barely left but would wish for different) is very blunt and in the open.. It’s not news.

112. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Obama couldn’t have won without her support. The primaries were basically a 49 to 45 football game where Obama got seven touchdowns in the first half and Hillary got six touchdowns and a field goal.

Actually correction. Obama got seven touchdowns and Hillary got seven and missed the extra point. That’s how close it was. It wasn’tt decided until the superdelegates started falling in that last week.

If he had beat Hillary outright the way he beat McCain, he could have brought all his people in but he didn’t.

113. marisacat - 11 December 2008

nu post

LINK

…………………. 😯 ……………..

114. marisacat - 11 December 2008

It wasn’tt decided until the superdelegates started falling in that last week.

If you watched the meeting of the DNC rules committee, which Cspan carried.. they divied up the Super Dels in a way advantageous to Ob. A clear choice was made.

One reason people were mad.

But as I said, the Democratic party had dragged them to the edge of the curb, displayed them to the waiting masses and said this is it. Pick.

It did not matter. Had she won she would have taken him for VP… he has her as SoS, arguably the cabinet member with greatest leverage, most access to media at the drop of a hat and an expanded roll ever since 9/11.

I cannot even begin to guess the messes they will make.


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