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Should ride at the top of the bullet points of life… 11 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Abortion Rights, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, SCOTUS, Sex / Reproductive Health.

Abandoned factory – Brooklyn – Reuters  – The full graffiti is:  No More Corporate Bullshit!  Fuk Wall Street!

works for me…

Someone just popped me this by email (the bolding and coloration from the emailer, italics are mine)… My own guess  for some time now is that there is an outright, but never to be publicly admitted to, deal.  Not that the best known of the womens’ rights, or abortion rights, orgs are all that much (they are not), but I would guess they have been told:

Don’t embarrass Ob and the Democratic majority congress.  This is the best we will ever get, get over yourselves, sell T-Shirts and raise cash on the specter of Palin.  Good luck and don’t call.

Not, as I said, that the orgs care.

But what makes this year different from the last time a Democratic president took over from a Republican is that beyond those immediate changes, abortion-rights groups say, they may not press for more sweeping changes that would take legislative action by Congress.

Those include actions like repealing the Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funding of abortions for poor women, or pushing for passage of the “Freedom of Choice Act,” which is intended to write the protections of Roe v. Wade into law, but which would also eliminate many abortion restrictions the court has allowed over the years, such as parental notification or consent laws.

“You’ve got to be practical, you’ve got to be realistic here,” says Keenan of NARAL. “You have to look at the votes. And I just don’t believe the votes are there” for some of the things abortion-rights groups would like to do. 

Douglas Johnson, federal legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, agrees with Keenan. He says that while his side may be playing defense next year, don’t count it out.

“We’re going to mount a very vigorous defense of the existing pro-life policies,” he said. “The ban on partial-birth abortions, the Hyde Amendment, and these other policies have broad popular support and they were won with great effort, and we certainly are going to defend them to the best of our ability.”

Meanwhile, Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood said abortion-rights groups are taking seriously Obama’s pledge to try to change the tone of the debate.

“I think the American people are ready for us to get ideology out of the government and focus on solving problems,” she said. Richards says her group will be happy to focus on things like providing preventive health services to women, including birth control, which is far more popular among lawmakers.

But the biggest abortion fight of all could come in a relatively unexpected venue, as part of the effort to overhaul the nation’s healthcare system. If there is a national health plan, abortion-rights groups will want to make sure abortion is a covered benefit and anti-abortion groups will want to stop that. It could make most previous abortion fights pale in comparison.



1. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

is the best we will ever get, get over yourselves, sell T-Shirts and raise cash on the specter of Palin.

They’ll try this. But it’s not going to work in the “real world”. You’re not going to go to those people who took over Republic Windows and say “hey guys. Not now. You’ll embarass Obama. We could get President Palin.”

That’s the difference between Iraq and the domestic economy. For most Americans, Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan, it’s just numbers on a spreadsheet or, at best, a moral decision.

But when you’re talking about peoples’ livelihood, when you’re talking about some auto worker in Michigan having to switch over to a non-union shop when you’re talking about 12 states running out of unemployment money, and if people decide to rebel over this, Obama couldn’t stop it if he wanted to. The best he can do is try to manage it.

2. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I was talking about abortion.

3. marisacat - 11 December 2008

LOL Perrin.. the last graf and last line.

“Leave the pet door open…”

A new way of putting it at least.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

But it’s not going to work in the “real world”.

Of course it will “work”. Even if it fucks women’s lives up even more. Far past time for people to understand that our aristocracy doesn’t give a shit about anybody other than people with whom they share an economic class, and worldview. They care about their own comfort, and don’t want the ministers and boy buggerers pestering them at their special prayer meetings/fundraising events over icky women’s stuff.

ESPECIALLY true when it comes to women’s health (fuck them if they don’t like it) but will spread to everything else. Ob’s “healthcare fix” will end up being some rearranging of the insurance company profit deck chairs. It’ll be an insurance PROFITS fix, that’s all …

NONE of anything good is in the offing. Hell, the workers in Chicago “won” today. You know what they “won”? The $6000 per worker, which they were OWED under federal law.


Oh, de’ change it gonna come.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

LOVE the pet door. Spot on.

6. marisacat - 11 December 2008

How AIG Bought Its Bailout

John Carney | Dec 11, 08 3:54 PM

Ever wonder why the political classes are so eager to provide AIG with its ever expanding bailout? Perhaps the fact that the insurance company was a huge donor to both political conventions this summer helped.

AIG donated $1.5 million to the conventions—which are exempt from campaign finance limits—according to AIG. In our age of billion dollar losses and bailouts, that might seem a paltry sum. But in politics, a couple of million goes a long way. The entire Democratic convention, for instance, cost just $61 million. To put it differently, the combined donations of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS and Lehman Brothers, amounted to only $1.5 million. The commercial banking sector—including Citigroup and Bank of America—donated just $3 million.

7. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Helluva schnozz on that koala.

8. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Tree-height attic pet door for Ukelele, the bony, far leftisch koala!

9. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

6 – What’s a little loan among friends?

10. marisacat - 11 December 2008

Helluva schnozz on that koala. — IB

I thought so too… it seemed about double (triple?) the size. More like a little curved tunnel over the middle of his face.

11. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I see BoA is cutting 35K in jobs… over three years, but still………….

Sony in Japan 16 K

Dow Chem, the other day, 8k

it just rolls on.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

El Imperio By Cindy Sheehan

On Human Rights Day, we should be celebrating the fact that we live in a country that practices peace over war, economic justice over rancid capitalism, environmental protection over ecologic degradation, and human rights over torture, occupation, oppression and murder.

However, if one takes the time to read the entire document of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it becomes apparent that the US is the biggest violator of the UDHR on the planet.

No country is perfect, but the people of the USA, my brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, must take leadership in first internalizing, then fostering and the precepts of the UDHR.

Every human deserves basic rights. No one human deserves more and certainly no one deserves less.

With more and more of our fellow citizens becoming unemployed, uninsured and food insecure, we may soon join the ranks of these third world countries that have had to suffer deprivation while we consumed an over-excess of the worlds resources.

Eleven million children around the world, over 30,000 per day, die before their 5th birthdays each year.

That is not a statistic that I can live with. I hope it will also spur you to confront The Empire in every way possible.

13. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

I wanna know how wu ming’s so sure they’re unpleasantly bony! I think he’s pulling a Mr. Whipple number on us here . . . .

Memo to catnip:

How’s yer new pad? And are your marital impulses resulting from the Great North’s recent overexposure to royal influence?

::Searches for maple-leaf-chewing smiley::

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

Prominent Trader Accused of Defrauding Clients

According to the complaint, Mr. Madoff advised colleagues at the firm on Wednesday that his investment advisory business was “all just one big lie” that was “basically, a giant Ponzi scheme” that, by his estimate, had lost $50 billion over many years.

Related accusations were made in a lawsuit filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission in federal court in Manhattan. That complaint accuses Mr. Madoff of defrauding advisory clients of his firm and seeks emergency relief to protect potential victims, including an asset freeze and the appointment of a receiver for the firm.

“We are alleging a massive fraud — both in terms of scope and duration,” said Linda Chatman Thomsen, director of the S.E.C. enforcement division. “We are moving quickly and decisively to stop the fraud and protect remaining assets for investors.”

Another regulator, Andrew M. Calamari, the associate director of enforcement in the New York Regional S.E.C. Office, said the case involved “a stunning fraud that appears to be of epic proportions.”

Although not a household name among consumers, Mr. Madoff’s firm has played a significant role in the structure of Wall Street for decades, both in traditional stock trading and in the development of newer electronic networks for trading equities and derivatives.

The S.E.C.’s complaint, filed in federal court in Manhattan, alleges that Mr. Madoff informed two senior employees on Wednesday that his investment advisory business was a fraud. Mr. Madoff told these employees that he was “finished,” that he had “absolutely nothing .”

The senior employees understood him to be saying that he had for years been paying returns to certain investors out of the principal received from other, different investors. Mr. Madoff admitted in this conversation that the firm was insolvent and had been for years, and that he estimated the losses from this fraud were at least $50 billion, according to the regulatory complaint.

Mr. Madoff, 70, founded Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities in 1960 and liked to recount how he had earned his initial stake by working as a life guard at city beaches and installing underground sprinkler systems. By the early 1980s, his firm was one of the largest independent trading operations in the securities industry.

The company had around $300 million in assets in 2000 at the height of the Internet bubble and ranked among the top trading and securities firms in the nation. Mr. Madoff ran the business with several family-members including his brother Peter, his nephew Charles, his niece, Shana and his sons Mark and Andrew.

Reached at his office, Peter Madoff declined to comment.

15. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I don’t know, and have not googled to check, but I was told that koalas don’t have the rib cage that so many do… you have to pick them up UNlike a baby.

16. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Not to denigrate your suitors or their sincerity, by any means. . . .

::searches for serenading smilies::

17. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

don’t have the rib cage that so many do

That so many what do – bears?! You have led a colorful life!

I know, I know . . . they’re marsupials, related to wombats. Here’s the rib story from the Australian Koala Foundation, which I hope can be trusted not to lie.

Koala rib cage

It’s a somewhat common misconception that koalas don’t have a rib cage and that this is why they don’t like to be picked up. They do have a rib cage to protect their internal organs, of course. However, while most mammals, including marsupials and primates like us, have 13 thoracic vertebrae and therefore 13 pairs of ribs (although in many animals the 13th vertebra doesn’t have much more than a bump for a rib) koalas have only 11 pairs, the least of any recorded marsupial species. They have a curved spine and a cartilaginous pad over the end of the spine which may make it more comfortable to sit on branches and in tree forks. Koalas are sensitive around their abdominal area and need something to grip onto when being picked up. A koala should not be picked up under its arms like a toddler because it’s accustomed to gripping onto branches with its front paws, and it will feel uncomfortable and vulnerable.

So – bachelors and bachelorettes – there’s our hot tip on koala hugging for the evening!

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

Rep. Davis Joins Ways & Means Committee

Just a few weeks after Governor Blagojevich messed with our minds by suggesting U.S. Rep. Danny Davis was his choice to be appointed to President-Elect Barack Obama’s vacant senate seat, it seems Rep. Davis has accepted the likelihood it won’t be him and has earned himself a spot on the U.S. House’s Ways and Means Committee. Davis was approved for the spot by House Democrats after promising to fight for healthcare reform. Davis’ Chief of Staff Yul Edwards said, “It’s great for our district. Given the number of hospitals we have and the need to create a better system of healthcare, his background and role in working on health for 30 to 40 years can be an asset.”

19. catnip - 11 December 2008

Hi IB!

The nouveau pad is great. I’s just staring a whole week to myself because the roomie is on Costa Rica. Parteh!

And are your marital impulses resulting from the Great North’s recent overexposure to royal influence?

I never even thought of that. Could be why I was looking at the Princess Di style of dress today though. 😀

(as if…lol)

20. catnip - 11 December 2008

I’s = I’m

21. marisacat - 11 December 2008


oh thank you for that… that makes sense, they want access to their arms and if you have hold of them under their arms, they feel impaired. Makes sense….

But it was an animal person, naturalist, zoologist… that I had heard say that.. many years ago. Maybe just a quick way to get the point over, if a koala knocks on the door some day and asks to be picked up, don’t pick him up like a baby.

Not likely to happen… LOL

22. marisacat - 11 December 2008


Danny Davis name was all over that Christian homeless advocacy group that Patti Blago was consigned to in Summer of 2008.

Forget its name now. His name pops up rather frequently.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

life guard at city beaches and installing underground sprinkler systems.

Something poetic about that, in relation to his confession.

24. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

NONE of anything good is in the offing. Hell, the workers in Chicago “won” today. You know what they “won”? The $6000 per worker, which they were OWED under federal law.


Oh, de’ change it gonna come.

You’re dripping with contempt here but not for Obama, or the Clintons, or Bush. I guess you’ll say you’re dripping with contempt (for me) because I’m not cynical enough to be in touch with what you think reality is.

But to me it looks like your dripping with contempt for some immigrants who just got their back wages.

I wonder if you would say “Oh, de’ change it gonna come” TO one of those Republic Workers, and I wonder what kind of answer you’d get.

I bet you’d find some people who, far from sharing your cynicism, feel empowered about what they’ve achieved (something you dismiss so easily).

I’m honestly a little baffled as to how you think you’re going to get “change” from the bottom up?

What would a real victory look like to you? This looks like one to me. Sure they only got what was rightfully theres. But they very publically made corporate America back down, got better press than any kind of social movement I’ve seen get in years, and got support from Obama and (more unfortunately) from Blagojevich.

NONE of anything good is in the offing.

At the top, no.

But I’m seeing a flipside to the fact that a lot of employers decided to hire Latino immigrants, thinking them cheaper and easier to manage. What we’ve got is an immigrant population from a part of the world where they have real militant leftist unions and a tradition of organizing. That looks “good” to me, a real “change” in American culture.

It looks a bit like you’re engaging in pessimism of the intellect AND pessimism of the will.

25. Hair Club for Men - 11 December 2008

Forget its name now. His name pops up rather frequently.

Chicago Christian Industrial League.

26. catnip - 11 December 2008

You’re dripping with contempt

Clean up on aisle 4!

27. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

19 – Damn you for mentioning Princess Di. My beau at the time (from Quebec City, as it happens) got very wasted on white wine the day Di and Charlie tied to knot, and watched it all on TV. Popped the question later . . . let’s have a royal wedding!

(I declined – thanks just the same – and remain without regrets.)

21 – Would that our troubles ran to lonely koalas seeking door-to-door cuddles! But it does explain why they mightn’t be a great love sponge combination for humans. At least not yet.

Maybe blogging will eventually give us all cartilaginous pads.

It’s that or a commune at catnip’s, complete with gratitude for swift advance of global warming.

28. marisacat - 11 December 2008

complete with gratitude for swift advance of global warming.

That’s true… I don’t like to complain of the cold myself… (tho if this keeps up, warm and dry, our winter will be non existant) with the frozen north as some peoples’ environs.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Mixed freezing precip here all day, and the wild and delicate icing of previously dry autumn tufts looks not unlike the koala’s bristles.

I always contend that it’s the beauty that gets northerners through.

30. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Ha ha just notice my typo – tied to knot

Shoulda been naught, I guess, wot?!

31. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Really glad the new pad’s cartilaginous, catnip!

Don’t be so frickin bristly, HC. You trashed this joint and most of the commenters six ways to Sunday during the primaries. No?

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

SOMEBODY on Wall Street or the Bush Admin or in the Obama camp wants Sheila Bair gone, going by the slowly building number of hit pieces I’m coming across: Fighting Foreclosures, F.D.I.C. Chief Draws Fire

On the weekend before Thanksgiving, Washington’s top financial regulators were gathered on a conference call to discuss the rescue of the banking giant Citigroup when Sheila C. Bair, the chairwoman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, interrupted with a concern.

Speaking from her home, Mrs. Bair declared that the F.D.I.C. would contribute to a bailout only if Citigroup were forced to participate in a foreclosure prevention program she was championing on Capitol Hill. After a brief discussion, she got her way.

That meeting of the minds was one of the rare agreements in an increasingly rancorous debate in Washington over how to help millions of at-risk borrowers stay in their homes as the economy deteriorates.

More than any administration official, Mrs. Bair has called publicly for using billions of taxpayer dollars to finance the modification of loans threatened by default. But her advocacy has contributed to a battle that is pitting White House and Treasury officials against the F.D.I.C. and lawmakers in Congress. The discord has influenced programs that have so far proved insufficient to stem a tide of foreclosures that Moody’s Economy.com expects will affect 10 million homeowners over the next five years. And it is drawing personal conflicts and animosities into the policy-making process.

White House and Treasury officials argue that Mrs. Bair’s high-profile campaigning is meant to promote herself while making them look heartless. As a result, they have begun excluding Mrs. Bair from some discussions, though she remains active in conversations where the F.D.I.C.’s support is needed, like the Citigroup rescue.

A Treasury official involved in the discussions said that while Mrs. Bair was seen as a valuable part of the team, there was a sense of distrust and a concern that she always seemed to be pushing her own agenda.

Mrs. Bair, for her part, says she has always sought to work constructively with other officials and is one of the few voices within the administration pushing for a comprehensive program to help at-risk borrowers.

“I’ve heard the stories of people who are suffering and can stay in their homes if there is just a small adjustment to their loans,” said Mrs. Bair, a Republican who was appointed to her post by President Bush two years ago. “There are some people in the Republican Party who resent the idea of helping others,” she added. “But the market is broken right now, and unless we intervene, these people and the economy won’t be helped.”

33. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I hope Ob keeps her… and yes the hit pieces are rising.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

But to me it looks like your dripping with contempt for some immigrants who just got their back wages.

Oh, my contempt is not for them, but for all of the pathetic pwoggies who think Obama and the fucking donks are gonna do anything for anybody unless they are forced to. Those workers should not have had to launch that action … it was theirs BY RIGHT. If this was a nation of laws, of so-called “equal protection under”, they wouldn’t have had to organize what was OWED them.

I guess you’ll say you’re dripping with contempt (for me) because I’m not cynical enough to be in touch with what you think reality is.

Bingo. Though I prefer the terms “realistic” and “dealing with reality” to cynical.

35. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

BTW – The only reason I’m glad Hill’s got an Ob admin gig is I do trust her more on reproductive freedom.

Feel free to call me stupid or crazy later.

36. catnip - 11 December 2008

As a Canadian, I have an obligation to complain about the cold weather – especially since we’re headed for an arctic deep freeze this weekend. I’d rather have a Caracas pad right now than a cartilaginous one – at least for the next few days.

37. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Assume everybody’s seen a few pix of snow in New Orleans today?

38. NYCO - 11 December 2008

Interesting news. Elizabeth Holtzman wants Hillary’s Senate seat.

She’s the “un-Caroline…”

39. marisacat - 11 December 2008

I get the feeling Caroline will fade. They need to go for someone who has been present in the system. If CKS had a lifelong high profile of working very visibly for Democratic causes …. but she really does not. Nor is she especially effective in groups.

They should quietly move on.

40. catnip - 11 December 2008

16. suitors

I have more than one?

41. marisacat - 11 December 2008


I saw shots of a circle (forget its name)… that the street car goes by.. with a dusting and later in the day with several inches of snow. At least it is cold enough there that it did not melt upon contact…

42. mattes - 11 December 2008

6. AIG also had to make good on all those credit default swaps that kept the rest of them from crashing.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008
44. catnip - 11 December 2008

MitM, can you e-mail me please?

45. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

40 – I have more than one?

Don’t be coy, herbal maiden. Last I saw, Madman was openly soliciting your hand in international marriage.

46. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

44- Ha ha ha. Now you’re soliciting bids just like Blago!

47. marisacat - 11 December 2008

this was breaking news 9 minutes ago…………………………..

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

No Deal: Auto Rescue Bill Fails in Senate [10:50 PM EST]

48. marisacat - 11 December 2008

LOL BBC breaking news added this.. so I guess the Corker hoo hooo alternative plan fizzled, too.

…after talks on a compromise measure collapse.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

I guess if the promised depression happens when GM goes belly up we’ll know they were telling the truth for a change.

50. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

38 – Fahrvergnuegen re Holtzman! Wouldn’t that be something!

51. marisacat - 11 December 2008

LOL via Reuters:

“It’s over with,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said before calling the vote that required the support of 60 members to advance the measure to final consideration. Senators failed before the vote to reach a last-minute compromise.

52. catnip - 11 December 2008

Ha ha ha. Now you’re soliciting bids just like Blago!

Damn. Busted! 😀

53. catnip - 11 December 2008

Wal Mart should buy GM. Why the heck not? In fact, Wal Mart should buy the world and be done with it. We’ll all be Mart People sooner or later.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 December 2008

Why doesn’t Harry make them come to the floor and actually filibuster …

… oh, wait. Forgot who I was talking about. Did he hitch up his old, threadbare pink Everlasts up to just below his sagging old mantits before he made that statement?

55. marisacat - 11 December 2008

If they wanted to be more than beached mollusks, they’d dump Give em hell Harry.


56. BooHooHooMan - 11 December 2008

Jesus, catnip. Are you shaking down madman-..God knows who else – for a better deal?. I can do cheesecake. Beefcake, Pattycake, whatever.

Why do I get the feeling the marital window next year,
that Spring to Fall Bliss will narrow for me to April 1st??


57. catnip - 11 December 2008

So, now what? Are they off for their xmas break?

I watched last week’s hearings and, afaic, the Ford CEO was far too chipper. His testimony sounded like an infomercial. And I don’t know what Chrysler was doing there besides jumping on the gravy train.

In the meantime though, Canada’s government (if you can call it that) is waiting to find out what happens in the US before action is taken about the auto industry here. Yes, they want billions here too.

58. marisacat - 11 December 2008

WASHINGTON (AP) — A $14 billion emergency bailout for U.S. automakers collapsed in the Senate Thursday night after the United Auto Workers refused to accede to Republican demands for swift wage cuts.

The collapse came after bipartisan talks on the auto rescue broke down over GOP demands that the United Auto Workers union agree to steep wage cuts by 2009 to bring their pay into line with Japanese carmakers.

Majority Leader Harry Reid said he hoped President George W. Bush would tap the $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund for emergency aid to the automakers. General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have said they could be weeks from collapse. Ford Motor Co. says it does not need federal help now, but its survival is far from certain….snip…

59. marisacat - 11 December 2008

The group came close to agreement, but it stalled over the UAW’s refusal to agree to wage cuts before their current contract expires in 2011. Republicans, in turn, balked at giving the automakers federal aid.

Reid called the bill’s collapse ”a loss for the country,” adding: ”I dread looking at Wall Street tomorrow. It’s not going to be a pleasant sight.”

”In the midst of already deep and troubling economic times, we are about to add to that by walking away,” said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman who led negotiations on the package.

Alan Reuther, the UAW’s legislative director, declined comment to reporters as he left a meeting room during the negotiations. Messages were left with Reuther and UAW spokesman Roger Kerson.

60. catnip - 11 December 2008

Well, you can e-mail me too, BHHM, although I just thought I’d privately try to sell Obama’s senate seat to MitM. We’re still in negotiations. [insert innocent look smiley here]

61. marisacat - 11 December 2008

ugh… a lot of what goes on here is a battle between Arnold and SEIU:

Has California’s growing budget mess pushed public employee unions into retreat?

Take Service Employees International Union Local 1000, which represents 95,000 state workers in a wide variety of jobs. Last week local President Yvonne Walker told The State Worker, “There are going to have to be cuts. We’re going to have to raise taxes” to address the state’s cash crunch.

This was the same union leader who last month, after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed furloughs and other measures to trim the budget deficit, said, “We’ll fight back with everything that we have.”

Between Walker’s two quotes, the governor threatened to detonate the labor equivalent of a nuclear bomb: layoffs. It’s one thing a California governor can unleash without negotiating with unions or legislators.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 11 December 2008

Just lost a major maple branch to the ice storm outside.

Gentle landing, fortunately! No wires!

Local Fire Dept zooming past . . . somebody near not so lucky.

63. catnip - 11 December 2008

Stay safe, IB!

64. marisacat - 11 December 2008

ugh.. abc news tonight has Rahm’s brother, the doctor, and his own plan for healthcare.

Lovely… based on vouchers to everyone and calls for the phase out of Medicare, Medi-Aid and S-Chip.

They so want to care for the nation. And every little sparrow that falls from the tree. Or is blown from the tree in a storm.

meanwhile Rahm is ducking reporters. Sweeeeeeet.

…Speaking of absent, Obama’s newly designated White House chief of staff, Rep. Rahm Emanuel, was not at today’s Cabinet announcement news conference, where he’s been a fixture until now.

He might have a cold or been alphabetizing his CD collection. More likely, Team Obama wanted no media availability for him. ….

65. marisacat - 11 December 2008

don’t hold back… the headline at Times Online tonight:

Latest:US car industry set to collapse as bailout fails

The American car industry faced imminent collapse last night after the Senate effectively threw out a $14 billion emergency bailout bill.

Talks between the Democrats and Republicans over the viability of a federal-funded short-term rescue of General Motors and Chrysler fell part late in the evening after the two sides of the political divide failed to agree on pay for workers at the auto companies.

Harry Reid, the Democrat Senate Majority Leader, yesterday said that Capitol Hill had thrown in the towel until Barack Obama, the President-elect, took office on January 20.

However, General Motors and Chrysler may not be able to wait until next month without seeking bankruptcy protection – a move which is expected to trigger the collapse of the entire American car-making industry. […]

66. catnip - 12 December 2008

However, General Motors and Chrysler may not be able to wait until next month without seeking bankruptcy protection

Iirc, during the hearings, Chrysler’s CEO was just looking for a line of credit that they might need to use. Will Cerberus actually let it “collapse”? I don’t think so.

67. marisacat - 12 December 2008

John Kass in the Chicago Trib on who’s who.

[I]t’s reasonable to assume that if there’s one fellow Rod would talk to about the Senate seat, it’s Jimmy. And given their relationship, Jimmy could talk to Rahm. I’m not suggesting money was offered. There is nothing illegal about politicians horse-trading to fill seats. Only when such deals are monetized—as the governor is alleged to have done—is it illegal.

I’m just talking about putting political pieces on the board the Chicago Way. A vacant Senate seat and a soon-to-be vacant House seat in Illinois would be a package deal. Consider this mathematical equation: Jimmy/Rod + Jimmy/Rahm = Happy Rod, Jimmy and Rahm. Get it?

Before he became so powerful, Jimmy was a lowly traffic court bailiff making a measly $20,000 a year. Yet he was able to own shiny new Cadillacs, Jaguars and Mercedes, astounding federal agents, who in 1989 charged him with taking bribes to fix tickets in the Operation Greylord probe of judicial corruption.

Later, his former roommate told a federal grand jury that there was $35,000 in cash in their freezer, carefully wrapped in butcher paper so the bills wouldn’t get freezer burn. But the roommate came to Jimmy’s defense, saying the money was his, not Jimmy’s, and that it came from the roommate’s stolen-car business.

68. marisacat - 12 December 2008

Another Kass. Very funny. Some parts hilarious.

Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago, the boss who runs the machine that he says doesn’t exist, refused to take a position either way. That’s because he’s sane.

The governor isn’t the only one in this mess. His chief of staff, John Harris, also was arrested. Before Harris worked for Dead Meat, he worked for Mayor Shortshanks at Chicago’s political golden goose: O’Hare International Airport.

Blagojevich “has to figure out what’s best for him and his family, and the State of Illinois,” the mayor said. “He will have to do the right thing.”

Ah, the right thing. When Harris spills—and he will, because he’s not crazy either—Daley doesn’t want Harris to spill on him. He wants guys to do the “right thing,” which, if I may translate, means to keep their traps shut.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 December 2008
70. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Don’t be so frickin bristly, HC. You trashed this joint and most of the commenters six ways to Sunday during the primaries. No?

Yeah. I got caught up in some of the some of the primary season silliness along with everybody else.

I remember one incident where I more or less bought into Olbermann’s outrage over Hillary’s “assassination threat” against Obama.

Well, it turns out Olbermann was onto something. Right after Obama won last month, the number of bitter white racists “speculating” about how “Obama might be killed” was off the charts. But it obviously had nothing to do with the Clintons or anybody here.

I think Madman’s being disengenous here.

Oh, my contempt is not for them, but for all of the pathetic pwoggies who think Obama and the fucking donks are gonna do anything for anybody unless they are forced to.

That was the point. Obama was forced to pay attention to the Republic workers. I do think he’s stuck in a very “top down” model of politics. That’s why there’s so much obsession with Obama’s cabinet picks “on the left,” the assumption that you can pick a few “progressive” government officials and they’ll somehow implement a leftist program without a movement to back them up.

Bingo. Though I prefer the terms “realistic” and “dealing with reality” to cynical.

I think the much mocked Bush official was less of an idiot than everybody in the “reality based community” made him out to be.

“That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality.”

Some people “make reality” and some people wring their hands that things not going there way. The mistake the Bush official made was in assuming that you can “make reality” from the top down.

This might be one of the best pieces of Marxist writing in existence.


You can’t just call for a leftist program from the top down.

If anyone were to undertake to make the mass strike generally, as a form of proletarian action, the object of methodological agitation, and to go house-to-house canvassing with this “idea” in order to gradually win the working-class to it, it would be as idle and profitless and absurd an occupation as it would be to seek to make the idea of the revolution or of the fight at the barricades the object of a special agitation.

Even if you did put Nader or Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney or any number of leftists in the White House, they wouldn’t be able to do much more than Obama is unless they had a mass movement from below.

The problem I have with a lot of “leftist” critics of Obama is that they concentrate too much on mocking Obama’s supporters for not being “left enough” without realizing that this is a long historical process that doesn’t spring from nowhere.

71. BooHooHooMan - 12 December 2008

from before…

Ob became an obsession for people. That is dangerous, or could be, in America they will just move on, is my guess.-Mcat

and move on quickly. Bottoms padded affectionately while set to play in the snow. “Tis the Season” and all…God how I miss my kid now thinking about when she was little.. It’s true, but I wrote that to show, that from almost any starting point – with most people at least, there are things that allow one synapse to give way to another. Reminders.

But I am reminded and move on along other lines…

Unless a wiretap target I suppose…LOL – informed discussion of Obama is all but impossible now, much less a reminder of the Bigger Picture- All of it is Obscured by corruption , pervasive and perpetual now, this lingering distillate that’s taken hold of our National Psyche….however drunken, or mixed with Schizophrenia it always has been…it is something whose blast is as useful to Shock Doctrinaires as Clinton’s Impeachment was to Wall Street DerGurgelation, as the Libby case was in obscuring Democratic acquiescence to Bush..But this ObSession, his ability to Obscure and the willingness of citizens to be obscured , his Primary supporters in particular – well that is indeed an American Tale.

With Dennis Kucinich pushed aside in the Democratic Primaries as Too Much a Reminder of the Obscure,
{Like ‘im– knew he was toast….}
Obama was propped up as THE REMINDER of the Relevant matter of the day, The War in Iraq. Though Obama’s own position was obscure in substance and in various morphs of his presentation, it’s essence was Opposition to the War, one he framed as “Judgment” rather than the “Leadership”/”Experience” meme then offered for sale by the Clintons.

This yielded several benefits to Obama as the belief took hold. The narrowly defined litmus test on Iraq trumped all other concerns. On the Obama Embracing / Democratic Conscience Examining Left, it trumped concerns over Business As Usual Politics.

{He’s New! Fresh off the Farm in Chicago! Says So!
Merely a piglet, he…}

Well, that’s One. Goddamn’d. Survival Skilled Pig
to BEGIN his political career in Chicago.

It trumped objective inquiry into what Nancy Pelosi had tsk, tsk’d: “The Culture of Corruption”, and how, Dear Dear Nancy – how it had EVER taken hold… Moreover, it lobotomized Hinterland Moderates in the base with doubts over Pelosi having summarily taken Impeachment Off the Table, particularly after her calls for Investigations, the “Draining of the Swamp”, blah blah blah, especially after cave-in after cave-in to Bush by Democrats in the 110th Congrees .

Ironically for the Left, the single issue elevation of Ob on Iraq left untouched the very reason The. War. Was.Allowed. To. Proceed. Left it right ON the Cleared Table: Collusion.
Big Fucking Billion Dollar Aircraft Carrier Sized
and Bridge Building Drop a Safe On Me Collusion.

Obama’s rise sure gave Hope. It ablated any inquiry into repetitive Democratic complicity with the Right Wing in this country. Decades Long (at least) , this March to the Right trampled right over democrats. Somehow Obama , this prince of a man ( his supporters had decided) , could fix all that and their democratic woes, if only they could make him the New King. If any serious effort had been take by those truly motivated by “Change”… to eliminate candidates brokered out of the shallow end of the Establishment Pool….Obama would have drowned.

But “the Stars” it seemed indeed “had aligned” for the Young Senator to ditch his Freshman Term.
He would be Fired Up and Ready to Go ,
straight to the White House , less his “Judgement” be wasted or -LOL corrupted by the ways of Washington.

It is So Jimmy Stewart.

How would people feel tomorrow if Fitzgerald released tapes in which Pelosi traded Impeachment of Bush and Cheney to scuttle DOJ Investigations of HER ,her Leadership Cadre and their Allies in Chicago, perhaps including The Anointed One?
All of that unfollowed up bluster from Dems…makes one wonder..

Fucking War Criminal Enablers.

Helluva thing on the Left, when all ya want for Christmas is your own Torquemada / Pwog Friendly Erector Set…

By winning the one hurdle race on Iraq to the exclusion of all else , it shielded Obama and his Democratic Patrons from extensive Pre-Primary vetting by the large pool of Anti War / Rule of Law inclined? supporters. …It kept his rapid rise in cullusory , frequently criminal Dem Chicago under Wraps ESPECIALLY WELL….

Fitzgerald’s First Tier focus on Rezko and his willingness to give Blago more time to hang himself till after the Election , played out well for Ob then, really well for Fitzgerald now…Emanuel is the current lynchpin in all of it.

The kind of Pass given to Obama by low info supporters was granted by the same people who easily saw through the cynicism in elevating a thinly resumed Sarah Palin from Wassilla City Hall to Alaska Governor to the Republican Vice Presidency. The Judgemet, HIS Judgement, The One and Only ONE”S “Judgement” on Iraq , put what otherwise might have been a debutante candidacy in play. It created the kind of Phenom for his Primary Supporters that Cult of Personality adequately describes.

I still think- especially by his handlers the Daley Bros, Durbin Emanuel, Pelosi and, as its turned out— TEH CLINTON, LOL—
that Obam’s candidacy was originally conceived as a spoiler that would work for Hillary and Establishments ends, it would help her put down the tired dogs, then they could bargain for biscuits…

…there’d be a lot of money, fun, and name recognition for the Obam Campers riving voter Reg Up, they could fold it into Hillary’s operation later….If the Surge ‘”couldn’t be managed” or in the event of Incineration and helicopters on the rooftops,, they’d could go full steam ahead with “Anti War®” Ob. If not, well it’ll have to be Ob,Damn It! They had Ob as an “Anti War” safety valve, if the War got “Better”, then Hillary Front and Center.

In the Primaries I thought it’d be …well, Nice
you know – not to have the Clintons to Kick Around Anymore.. LOL

Fer Fucks Sake, though, didn’t it seem that they really tapped danced around waiting for something on Iraq?
He quickly obscuring and obfuscating the issue, timelines etc, Her waiting SO LONG to back off on the AUMF. yeh it’s all mutual , not smart alecky yeh , but “Yes” yeh — it is stock Candi CYA when eyeing eventual Nom and GE….

I didn’t perceive then what strikes me know in retrospect as more than the stock CYA, he NEVER Evah Evah Nevah Really took the gloves off on her. Why? Because it was a different kind of campaign? GMAFB….and clearly She never really did with Rezko either. Rezko plied em both……seems like there’s more there in what must’ve been some truly insane rules of engagement…maybe on Fitzgerald’s tapes, info that will describe beyond the Slop of Common Concerns about, winning the General Election for few reasons other than Brokering the Budget and, necessarily, – locking down the DOJ,

What I think the original campaign prospectus didn’t count on was the zeal for crushing the Clintons. When Ob and the Chi Investors got a little more Emboldened and Snippy, the Clintons freaked , then threatened to Carpet Bomb Denver with bras ..

And Even though Clinton08 was broke by then…
Bill could supply the sorties out of his own personal collection.

Ah well more on a serious note later..

72. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Far past time for people to understand that our aristocracy doesn’t give a shit about anybody other than people with whom they share an economic class, and worldview. They care about their own comfort, and don’t want the ministers and boy buggerers pestering them at their special prayer meetings/fundraising events over icky women’s stuff.

But when McCain chose Palin as his VP with the idea that he might pick up some of Hillary’s angry supporters, he got almost none of them.

All other things being equal (and Obama and Hillary were more or less identical as far as idealogy went), a lot of woman would choose another woman. But they weren’t going to vote for Palin.

In fact, you could look at the election last November as being a huge rejection of the Christian right.

So what happens when Stevens retires and Obama starts saying things like “well I won’t use abortion as a litmus test.” How do you get ahead of the curve to make sure another Proposition 8 doesn’t happen?

Shouldn’t that organizing being going on NOW (no pun intended)? Shouldn’t people be working their Senators and congressman now so that when the vote comes up, there’s already a grassroots voice making sure Obama doesn’t appoint a conservative judge?

73. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

And speaking of the Christian right, I’ve been reading a lot about the English Civil War, the Puritans in East Anglia, and about early Massachussetts.

The Christian right has a form of grassroots political organization that goes back to the late 16th Century. Seriously, if you read any good biography of John Winthrop or any of the letters or diaries of Cromwell’s soldiers, you’re struck by how they’re basically just contemporary evangelical Christians living 500 years go.

So what happens on the “left”? You pick an ideology from a buffet of leftist ideologies (oh I’m a Marxist. I’m an anarchist, see my mask. I voted for Nader), try to organize for a few years, then go back to straight society.

The Christian right lives this stuff because they’re grounded in English/American history. That’s why even the Zionists (eg Chabad House) use them as a model for their grassroots organizing.

74. BooHooHooMan - 12 December 2008

It strikes me as funny, Obama’s win, like “The Producers.”

Clearly not a even a prior sketch of a roster for the
who what new hoos
who would actually make up the Changie New Admin.

ya know, – like in case they WON.

75. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 December 2008

71. The Christian right lives this stuff because they’re grounded in English/American history.

Well, except for the Enlightenment and all that.

Hair, your characterization of the left is an ignorant caricature which is startlingly similar to Markos’ rants about dirty hippie freaks and sanctimonious women’s-studies types who don’t wear bras.


76. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Hair, your characterization of the left is an ignorant caricature which is startlingly similar to Markos’ rants about dirty hippie freaks and sanctimonious women’s-studies types who don’t wear bras.

And you, in turn, remind me of those conservatives who don’t think we should study Arabic or read the Koran or try to understand what would make people want to join a group like Al Qaeda. After all, understanding an ideology means agreeing with it, right?

Well, except for the Enlightenment and all that.

Even granting you this point, it still shows a startingly ignorance of history. First of all, Massachussetts was founded in 1620. The French Revolution didn’t come around until 1789. But also, the Englightenment was a largely top down movement that established no tradition of grassroots organizing.

That’s why you’re talking about ideology, not organization and not history. I’m trying to get at why the Christian right seems to have so many advantages over the “left.” That family in Colorodo Springs who gives money to the local megachurch, who goes to prayer meetings, their doing pretty much what people in the Stour Valley were doing in 1640.

How many “leftists” are living lives even anything remotely like the workers in Chicago in 1900 who joined anarchist clubs?

77. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

But hey, let’s do this.

Let’s have an “Englightenment Study Group” where we get together and read Thomas Paine and Voltaire.

Then we’ll pool our money and found an Englightenment PAC where we lobby our local representatives.

The fact this seems slightly ridiculous points to how underdeveloped “The Englightement” is as a grassroots movement.

After all, what exactly did Voltaire and Diderot want.

Well “Enlightened Despots” after all.


78. Heather-Rose Ryan - 12 December 2008

Hmm, seems hard to get through to Hair. He/she is too intent on speaking a particular piece.

As I just read last night (quoted in a book about the new Doctor Who, of all things, in which the author observes that most dialogue is actually two monologues clashing) “The opposite of talking isn’t listening. The opposite of talking is waiting.” Attributed to Fran Lebovitz.

79. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Betty Page, for example, when she had her emotional breakdown, just walked into an Enlightement Center, was handed a copy of Thomas Paine, and told to think her problems through, right?


In 1959, she was lying on a sea wall in Key West when she saw a church with a white neon cross on top. She walked inside and became a born-again Christian.

After attending Bible school, she wanted to serve as a missionary but was turned down because she had been divorced. Instead, she worked full-time for evangelist Billy Graham’s ministry.

Anyway, I’m not trying to start a pissing match over religion, just trying to point out how neglected the English Revolution and a lot of the grassroots organizing that went on around it is.

Everybody’s heard of Thomas Jefferson and the French Revolution. Everybody knows who Che and Castro are. Everybody knows who Marx is. Who’s heard of Oliver Cromwell or Henry Vane?

But, ironically, the English Revolution is much more important to American culture than either Marxism or the French Revolution. There’s an unbroken tradition running from our current evangelicals back to the late 1500s and early 1600s.

80. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Hmm, seems hard to get through to Hair. He/she is too intent on speaking a particular piece

Seems even hard to get through to Heather. She seems too intent on replacing argument with snark.

But let’s compromise.

If Rahm Emanuel goes down over Blagaovich, I’m willing to see him replaced with Joseph II.


81. BooHooHooMan - 12 December 2008

Bras neutral here.

82. Intermittent Bystander - 12 December 2008

Well, sure enuf lost power briefly shortly after last comment and at least a couple of times more overnight. . . .entire region is full of downed trees and wires, with lots of electric outages.

Got reeeealllly lucky with that maple limb, and another big one! Can’t believe they dodged the wires and poles on the way down! Plus, the gigantic (400 feet tall?) mulberry tree conglomerate out back – which had two of its trunks just slowly keeeeel over, in an early autumn storm – lost another couple of sections, too.

Light snow now, which is fine, but the refreeze is coming later, with high winds. Great day to hunker in the bunker and go nowhere!

83. Intermittent Bystander - 12 December 2008

HC – You might enjoy The Wordy Shipmates by Sarah Vowell, if you’re looking at that era. Warning – it does combine history with snark.

Personally, I’ve long thought the whole notion of a “left” is just dead in the water semantically, for most Americans of this era. Nobody (including “progressives,” who even ditched the liberal flag) wants to cut off their “right” hand, or sacrifice their can-do concept of the “right” stuff, or abandon their notions of “right and wrong.” (Where does the latter leave “the left,” if that’s your organizing banner?)

Better to self-define with “working people” words than evoke the same old luggage-humping dualities.

84. Intermittent Bystander - 12 December 2008

From a Blogcritics review of The Wordy Shipmates:

Sure, Vowell now lives in New York City but you have to ask why a woman born in Oklahoma (and part Cherokee) and who was raised and attended college in Montana is fascinated by Pilgrims. And it’s not the Pilgrims from the Mayflower. Instead, it’s the Massachusetts Bay Colony, a group of Pilgrims headed by John Winthrop who arrived 10 years later and helped establish Boston. Her answer is that she believes the U.S. “is haunted by the Puritans’ vision of themselves as God’s chosen people, as a beacon of righteousness that all others are to admire.”

For Vowell, this is exemplified in large part by Winthrop’s “A Model of Christian Charity,” a sermon he wrote before or during the voyage. Although no one really took note of it at the time, a particular part of it has echoed in modern America: Winthrop’s vision that the colony was specially ordained by God to “be as a city upon a hill,” a model for others. That phrase, largely a “sound bite” today, was cited by President John F. Kennedy, repeatedly used by President Ronald Reagan and even employed by Sarah Palin in last week’s vice-presidential debate.

Vowell notes, though, that other portions of the sermon were and are too frequently overlooked. “A Model of Christian Charity” also urged that the principles of “Justice and Mercy” governed human relations and that to love your neighbor as yourself was the foundation of all moral law. Modern Americans, though, aren’t the only ones where there seems to have been a disconnect from those ideas. This language came from the leader of a colony whose official seal shows an Indian in a loincloth saying, “Come over and help us.” “The worldview behind that motto — we’re here to help whether you want our help or not,” Vowell notes, is the colony’s “most enduring bequest to the United States.” Not only do the concepts of loving thy neighbor, justice and wisdom go out the window in dealing with — at times massacring — Indian tribes, Vowell contends this view served as a basis for U.S. gunboats and troops being sent to various places in the world, from the Philippines to Vietnam to Iraq.

85. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

Re: Sarah Vowell.

John Winthrop was a moderately conservative figure in the Puritan Revolution. There were more radical examples, Samual Gorton, Ann Hutchinson, Roger Williams, Henry Vane, John Milton.

The same people in the stovepipe hats who executed witches also chopped the King’s head off in 1649.

The Puritans were imperialists. But so were the royalists and so were the Spanish. The Pope pretty much divided the world up between Spain and Portugual in the Treaty of Tordesillas. And then you had “humanitarian” imperialists in the Spanish world too.

But what strikes me about the Puritans is their ability to organize from the bottom up. The debates between Congregationalism and Presbyterianism were very real. Winthrop was from a very modest background. He was pretty much a loser for most of his 20s who found himself as a political figure inside of the Puritan “movement”.

Maybe I’m seeing this through an English speaking lens. There were of course grassroots movements in Spain (ie anarchism). But what’s interesting is how they were crushed from the top. Our current evangelicals in the English speaking world have been organizing the same way since the late 1500s. Even when the English brought the Stuarts back, the Stuarts never really tried to go all out and force the Anglican church on the entire English people. And when they tried to do it in America (eg Edmund Andros) they met with a massive rebellion.

I don’t think the First Amendment comes out of the Englightenment. I agree with David Hackett Fisher that the sepearation of church and state was a compromise among various sects of English christians.

Of course irony in all of this is that as we become more and more Latin, we’re going to see a lot more organizing along traditionally “leftist” lines, factory sit ins, Maydays like in 2006, people wearing Che shirts and waiving red flags.

86. marisacat - 12 December 2008


Three of Hair Club and one of BHHM fell into the Moderation snare…

Out now… sorry for the delay… 😳

87. Hair Club for Men - 12 December 2008

I don’t think the First Amendment comes out of the Englightenment. I agree with David Hackett Fisher that the sepearation of church and state was a compromise among various sects of English christians.

Just to expand on this because the Christian Right distorts the history to say this meant there was no seperation of church and state.

There really is no “seperation of church and state” in the Englightenment, in the French, Russian, and Chinese revolutions.

What the Enlightenment wants is to destroy the old primitive Christian/Jewish/Muslim tradition and replace it with a new, enlightened secular ideolgy.

The idea that you’d have various religious ideologies coexisting and apart from the state is more of an American, liberal idea than a radical Enlightenment one.

So a lot of people on the left will argue that the founders of the American Republic were deists. There *were* deists but there were also Quakers, Anglicans, Baptists, Puritans, etc.

And on that wordy note, I’m off to do my “Holliday” shopping.

88. marisacat - 12 December 2008

LOL when in doubt… or arrested:

Blagojevich prays with ministers at home

December 12, 2008 at 9:01 AM | Comments (0)

A Chicago minister said this morning he and two other pastors prayed with Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his family.

Rev. Steve Jones said the ministers initiated the contact at the governor’s home this morning. He said they wanted to pray because everyone needs hope.

The men knocked on the governor’s door just after 8 a.m. The governor welcomed them in and waved to the media gathered outside. The meeting lasted about 20 minutes.

Jones is president of the Baptist pastors conference. The others were pastors Ira Acree of the Greater St. John Bible Church and Marshall Hatch of the New Mt. Pilgrim Missionary Baptist

The governor has shown no signs he intends to step down since his arrest Tuesday on federal corruption charges — even as calls for his resignation mount.

–Associated Press

89. Intermittent Bystander - 12 December 2008

Illinois A.G. asks court to declare gov. unfit; State Supreme Court asked to strip Gov. Rod Blagojevich of powers.

Lisa Madigan took the action as pressure on the governor intensified to step down. Madigan scheduled a news conference in Chicago Friday morning to discuss the motion.

The move came as the governor prayed with several ministers in his home before heading to his office, telling them he is innocent and will be vindicated “when you hear each chapter completely written,” according to one of the pastors.

90. marisacat - 12 December 2008

Well good move on Madigan part. Apparntly not even Jesus in the guise of prayerful Baptist mins could save him.

Hosanna and pass the collection plate.

91. catnip - 12 December 2008

71. See? That’s why I agreed to marry you.

79. Who’s heard of Oliver Cromwell or Henry Vane?

Are you serious? Okay, I might not be familiar with Henry but I’ve heard of his cousin, Weather, and hid dad, YourSo. But, Oliver Cromwell? Who hasn’t heard of him?

70. Even if you did put Nader or Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney or any number of leftists in the White House, they wouldn’t be able to do much more than Obama is unless they had a mass movement from below.

Really? Your presidents have a lot of power. Just look at the wide latitude that Bush has given the position. The point has been proven by him that your presidents can almost do anything they damn well please with a compliant congress and that very little, if anything, will be done about it if they stray into criminality. So, people can grassroots organize or follow the bible according to kos as much as they want. In the end, absolute power wins.

The problem I have with a lot of “leftist” critics of Obama is that they concentrate too much on mocking Obama’s supporters for not being “left enough” without realizing that this is a long historical process that doesn’t spring from nowhere.

And who, exactly, would those “leftist” critics be?

92. catnip - 12 December 2008

Be careful out there, IB.

I have to head out today too before our arctic storm starts rolling in sometime this afternoon. It’s already started snowing. To bad I don’t have a skidoo – I mean “snow machine” (you betcha).

93. marisacat - 12 December 2008

fwiw… I voted for Prop 11 this past Nov… yes ti was fostered by Arnold… but it was endorsed by the League of Women Voters and Common Cause and a few other similar types. I am for anything that shakes up the mess we are in. Nor do I think legislators themselves should be able to go to court and seek redistricting to benefit their chosen candidate (the Sanchez sisters out there in CA did this… after Loretta won her seat in Congress, they hired a consultant, went to court and got a judge to agree to the redistricting that benefitted her sister, Linda, to win Bob “B-12” Dornan’s seat. Happy to be rid of Bob tho I was… LOL)

[A]rnold Schwarzenegger successfully led the charge to pass California’s Proposition 11, which limits the kind of partisan gerrymandering that DeLay, and his Democratic counterparts, used to influence elections around America for decades.

In the past, California has been a national trailblazer when it has enacted broadly felt sentiments. Proposition 13 is the most famous such example, that being the property tax cap of 1978 that set off an anti-tax revolution across the country. Not every California proposition becomes a national model, but “the redistricting law in California is interesting,” says attorney and redistricting expert Sam Hirsh, “because it’s such a big and often trendsetting state.” He would know. A former campaign manager and Capitol Hill aide, Hirsh represented the Democratic Party’s national redistricting project in 2000, and argued before the Supreme Court against DeLay’s Texas map. …snip…

94. catnip - 12 December 2008
95. marisacat - 12 December 2008

Harris resigned in Chicago. LOL… moving right along. Managed it without the Baptist ministers, I gather.

96. catnip - 12 December 2008

Paging Reverend Wright…you’re wanted on the white courtesy phone.

97. marisacat - 12 December 2008

Pass the collection plate, the ministers will show up.

98. catnip - 12 December 2008

71. from almost any starting point – with most people at least, there are things that allow one synapse to give way to another. Reminders.

My synapse moment after reading what you wrote: a reminder of Ductape and the great conversations we used to have. He taught me so much – mostly how to become more free.

99. Intermittent Bystander - 12 December 2008

Be careful out there, IB.

Thanks catnip, you too! I ventured out for supplies and it’s like a smashed glass menagerie hereabouts. Couldn’t get to the nearest supermarche because the streets were blocked off by coppers, so I headed further afield to another one, where staffers were madly restocking all the fridges after losing power this morning. Along the way, lots of sparkling, low-bending, still-encrusted branches shedding chunks and threatening to come down altogether as high winds and lower temps set in.

Glad I’m home! Suspect there’ll be more Jack Frost mayhem tonight.

PS: I’m probably way off on the mulberry group height – probably more like 200-250 feet tall. Hope the remaining trunks stay up there. The birds and squirrels lurv them berries.

100. marisacat - 12 December 2008


if you got enough provisions, hole up. Stay out of it! Conversely, we pray for rain out here. Sunshine again to day. hmmm

101. mattes - 12 December 2008

MCat, Mr. Madoff is an interesting person. I wikied him.


The firm is one of the top market maker firms on Wall Street.

Madoff served as the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sy Syms School of Business at Yeshiva University.

Madoff who is Jewish, and has actively supported American Zionism, served as the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Sy Syms School of Business at Yeshiva University.

Madoff started his firm in 1960 with an initial investment of $5,000,[right…] after attending Hofstra University Law School.


So it was becoming interesting and I followed, looked up Hofstra:

Home of the last debate hosted by Bob Schieffer :

Presidential debate

Hofstra was one of 19 facilities vying for the opportunity to host one of the three presidential debates, or the vice presidential debate.

Stuart Rabinowitz said of Hofstra’s application. “And we had tremendous support from our public officials.”

The final cost to the university came out to $3.2 million, as was announced by President Stewart Rabinowitz in his speech prior to the beginning of the debate. He also stated that the cost was covered by three of the university’s trustees, one of which was David Mack who the Mack Sports Complex, where the debate was held, is named after.


So I looked up Mack, bet he had input into questions:

Public Service

Mack serves on the boards of Boys Town of Jerusalem, Hofstra University, Israel Bonds, Joseph L. Morse Geriatric Center, New York Holocaust Memorial Committee, North Shore Long Island Jewish Health System Foundation, Palm Beach Community Chest and United Way, Pratt Institute, and UJA of Greater New York and Long Island

Which of course lead me to Israeli Bonds:

State of Israel Bonds are debt securities issued by the Government of Israel.
State of Israel Bonds is also the more familiar name of the underwriter of the bonds in the United States. The company is officially known as the Development Corporation for Israel (DCI). DCI is headquartered in New York City, and is a FINRA-registered broker-dealer.

On April 17, 2008 Moody’s Investors Service raised Israel’s government foreign and local currency bond ratings from A2 to A1 . In a report issued a few weeks earlier citing the possibility of an upgrade, Moody’s referred to State of Israel Bonds as a mitigating factor. The report praised Israel Bonds as a source of funding ‘at favorable costs.’
Initial investors in Israel bonds were largely members of the Jewish community who wanted to help Israel strengthen its economic foundations. However, as securities became more diverse and market-responsive, the investor base became increasingly widespread. Israel bonds were seen as a two-fold investment that not only helped Israel, but were a useful means of portfolio diversification.

Purchasers now include more than 1,700 labor unions, over 1,800 foundations, and numerous states, municipalities, corporations, insurance companies, associations, union pension funds, banks, financial institutions, universities, synagogues, and private investors. Over 70 state and municipal public employee pension and treasury funds have invested more than $1 billion in the bonds.
Half of the states in the US have invested in State of Israel bonds. In 2003, the State of New Jersey pension system purchased $20 million in bonds. In 2005, the Texas Treasury purchased $2 million in the bonds, bringing its total investments to $20 million,[5] and Louisiana purchased $5 million.[6]

In 2007 Florida adopted a bill authorizing county and local governments throughout the State to invest surplus funds in State of Israel bonds. More than $100 million in the bonds are purchased every year within Florida by various individuals, corporations, pension plans, universities, hospitals, foundations, unions, banks and insurance companies. The same year, New Mexico announced the purchase of $5 million in State of Israel Bonds, adding to the $10 million that the State had purchased in 2003.

On September 18, 2008, the city and state of New York each announced their intention to purchase $15 million in Israel bonds.


So now half the states are invested in Israel. Great. Gives new meaning to “connected at the roots”.

Sometimes I think the best thing would be for it all to crash and burn.—Wall Street that it.

Sorry for such a long post.

102. catnip - 12 December 2008

And, moving on to my next synapse, I know that my frustration with Obama defenders and staunch partisans is that they don’t seem to be able to allow themselves enough freedom of thought to break free from those defensive chains that bind them. Like I’ve said before: partisanship kills brain cells. And there’s a reason Obama’s die hards are described as being “cultish” i.e. brainwashed – not that I’m 100% objective but at least I’m open to seeing things that bother me and to speaking up about them rather than trying to perform mental gymnastics to justify them.

I know I also have a long way to go but I’ll add one last thing directed at you Monsieur Hair Club with your penchant for history. Where would we be today without snark? Without satire? Without humour? All of which get people much closer to the truth (such as it is). Freedom demands that we not take ourselves so seriously that we are stuck in our own intellectual prisons – that we are our own jailers.

103. marisacat - 12 December 2008

nue thred…………………..


……………… 😈 ………………….

104. marisacat - 12 December 2008


I will go into the html of your comment, cut and paste, and move it and the links forward to the new thread…

105. catnip - 12 December 2008

99. That description reminds me of the infamous Quebec ice storm – such a melange of tragedies and beautiful scenes.

They’re predicting windchills of -35C tomorrow afternoon when a new friend here is supposed to pick me up to go to the local xmas craft fair. We’ll have to see about that, I guess.

Funnily enough, my weary muscles and bones don’t hurt as much when the weather is that cold. The humidity around 0C causes major aches and pains instead.

Off to get ready to go. Glad you made it home okay.

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