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Snared 14 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Dew drops are seen condensed on a spider’s web on a cold morning in Bhubaneswar, India [AP via the Telegraph]




1. Hair Club for Men - 14 December 2008

Note to “Susan Something”

The problem with FSZ are several.


1.) Inconsistent moderation. Neokong’s spamming wingut e-mails was OK? Dave’s Kos meta wasn’t?

2.) Racism/Misogyny. I’ve got plenty of time for acriminious debate over just about everything. I’ve got no patience for a Stormfront level of racism and anti-semitism or for 40 year old virgins who are still afraid of mommy.

3.) Too many usernames per user. The occasionally creative use of sockpuppets is no big deal. 9 or 10 users and 35 or 40 usernames just gets tedious.

4.) Delusional and ahistorical thinking. Feminism and multiculturalism aren’t ideologies. They’re just the lived reality of everyday life. Whether or not Ann Coulter trashes me for being a “multiculturalist” the people who own the store down the block are still going to be Hindus. The guy who takes me ticket on NJ transit it still going to have a Russian accent. The president is still going to be black. All the abstract debates over the differences between men and women aren’t going to change the fact in 99% of the heterosexual relationships I know (even among immigrants) both the man and woman work. That’s not “political correctness.” It’s just reality.

5.) No real debates on the I/P issue. Whether or not threads on the I/P issue get trashed by “Bowerie Boy” demanding some kind of bizarre loyalty oath to Israel or by “David Byron” demanding some bizarre affirmation that there’s no difference between Israel and the Nazis makes little difference. They still go nowhere.

6.) The only real thing FSZ and PFF have to offer are the “Kos” meta and I’m not really interested in the Daily Kos anymore. I don’t think I’ve read it in months.

7.) When I’m around people pushing things like conspiracy theories about Obama’s birth certificate I find myself defending Obama when I don’t really want to.

8.) And so on.

2. marisacat - 14 December 2008

I only drop in on FSZ a couple times a week, so not surprising I missed the Obama birth cert being a topic there. Pretty funny, if it was.

3. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Jews on Wall Street, Ripping each other off. Yeh, well

This New York Times Graphic Shows Schumer at the Very Top of the heap
correlates it clearly to Schumer’s rise / Democratic complicity DURING the Bush Administration...

Not just Jews of Course, not just Wall Street.
Cholly lives and works in Washington.
Shares a HOUSE with Ob’s Uncle, Durbin
Pelosi’s Lieutenant, Miller.

Durbin BTW Voted FOR the Wall Streeters Bailout,
nothing like the women and children first into the lifeboats.
Obama voted- if you can call it that – a weak “Present”…

4. marisacat - 14 December 2008

IIRC there is a 4th in that house… Miller owns it.. Schumer and Durbin rent… and there is a another one. It’s basically an ageing frat house from Tuesday to Friday, or whatever….

Schumer’s wife is a peach as well. I looked her up a few years ago. Head of Transportation in NYC… and got promoted after that awful ferry accident a few years ago, think 11 died. The City EXPANDED her powers, added some more city agencies or responsibilities.

You have to laugh at our suicidal system.

5. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Todays Front Page Times Article shines light on Schumer.
LOL. It Begins with a nice expository quote.

“We are not going to rest until we change the rules, change the laws and make sure New York remains No. 1 for decades on into the future.”
— Senator Charles E. Schumer, referring to financial regulations, Jan. 22, 2007

the first few paragraphs..(Kravis by the way is one of the tenants in Solow’s Hedge Fund Central Building…)

WASHINGTON — As the financial crisis jolted the nation in September, Senator Charles E. Schumer was consumed. He traded telephone calls with bankers, then became one of the first officials to promote a Wall Street bailout. He spent hours in closed-door briefings and a weekend helping Congressional leaders nail down details of the $700 billion rescue package.

The next day, Mr. Schumer appeared at a breakfast fund-raiser in Midtown Manhattan for Senate Democrats. Addressing Henry R. Kravis, the buyout billionaire, and about 20 other finance industry executives, he warned that a bailout would be a hard sell on Capitol Hill. Then he offered some reassurance: The businessmen could count on the Democrats to help steer the nation through the financial turmoil.

“We are not going to be a bunch of crazy, anti-business liberals,” one executive said, summarizing Mr. Schumer’s remarks. “We are going to be effective, moderate advocates for sound economic policies, good responsible stewards you can trust.”

The message clearly resonated. The next week, executives at firms represented at the breakfast sent in more than $135,000 in campaign donations.

wandering off,

My question is this..
How long before Schumer surfaces on a Blagoyovitch tape?
Schumer not on any of the Major Sunday Talks today, no?

6. marisacat - 14 December 2008

How long before Schumer surfaces on a Blagoyovitch tape

Wouldn’t that be entertaining…

7. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Head of Transportation in NY
Port Authority
Financial Positions
Dramatically Vacant Lots
Opportunity for Growth in the Spring

These doggies all Lay Down if you ask me.

8. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Greetings, kind popcorn-eaters! I am fine and warm and electrified, though numerous friends and family members are heading into day 3 without heat or lights. Some are huddling around fireplaces with blankets and dogs, trying to keep their tropical plants alive, and others are making do with kerosene heaters, bottled water, double matinees at the movie theaters, and dinner/spare bed invitations. Some have clearly abandoned ship for the nonce, though it’s hard to be sure, given VOIP phone outages and cell chargers run down. Ironically, fleeing further north is an option, since the lower Adirondacks mostly got snow, instead of the freezing-rain impasto.

A neighbor came with a chain-saw and dealt with the fallen mulberry limbs, and nothing major has crashed down since the first night of ice impact. Roads are pretty clear around here now, I think – fortunately, yesterday was dry, though very cold – and Xmas shopping season seems to be continuing apace, judging by traffic. I may venture forth to a bookstore this afternoon, myself, but in my hunkertude yesterday I managed to finalize the annual CD mix (my way of coping with the “season of giving”), and can go into production for overseas mailings today.

Sorry to worry y’all! Thanks for concern – even those of you lounging in T-shirts and shorts! I’ve got 4 of my very best socks on, myself, and a pair of wrist warmers given to me by a German person years ago. The idea is to (a) stop loss of blood heat from the veins there and (b) further seal the layered-look deal by providing additional cuff.

9. marisacat - 14 December 2008

and a pair of wrist warmers given to me by a German person years ago. The idea is to (a) stop loss of blood heat from the veins there and (b) further seal the layered-look deal by providing additional cuff.

Good to know you are safe and warm… but do the wrist warmers work? At least for you? (this is critical!)

For me it is my back and [back of the] neck. The rest of me does OK…

10. marisacat - 14 December 2008


that’s it.. that is Mme Schumer. I have the Japanese binococulars strapped to me, the ones that allow seeing fleas on dogs at a mile. Or two.

LOL {not really, I kind of peer thru the fog]

11. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Delahunt is the fourth jockstrap
lying on the floor of the house.

Very typical Mass Statehouse Pol
in DC less than 10 years,
Chavez Heating Oil okay , finger wagged on Chavez tone later

He must’ve spent much of his time crashing back at the pad,
considering one liberal lioness tid from Wiki:

In the 110th Congress, Delahunt serves as Chairman of the United States House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight.

He has been a consistent opponent of the war in Iraq.[1]

12. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

but do the wrist warmers work? At least for you?

Yeah, for such seemingly trivial items – just stretch-knit tubes of heavyweight cotton, with a tighter cuffband of velveteen on one side – they make a big difference. They do seem to reduce loss of heat in the hands, and (especially outdoors) keep the wind from whistling up your sleevies.

Back of the neck is definitely another heat-escape zone! All hail turtle fur!

For me, it’ll continue to be all about the hands and feet feet feet, until spring.

13. marisacat - 14 December 2008

hmm just heard the Taj will re-open Dec 21. Pretty fast work, for what sounded like so much bomb, fire and water damage.

14. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Put monied New York Jews together with boozy Irish and whadya get?

Senator Caroline Kennedy, maybe.

15. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Nice to hear you warm and well IB.

16. marisacat - 14 December 2008

keep the wind from whistling up your sleevies.

I make big use of scarves, of all types.. but it sure helps to not have cold air whooshing around anywhere.

I have to reconcile myself to closing the kitchen window…by tonight it finally is too cold.

17. aemd - 14 December 2008

A little OT but… WOOHOO! lights, hot coffee and heat, real heat! Thank you PSNH and out of state linemen.

What a mess.

18. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

15 – ::Searches for smiley with balaclava and tocque:: Thanks!
I really did get lucky with the electrical grid. No woodstove or fireplace here, nor kerosene heater, so I would have to had to ship out entirely if my neighborhood had gone down.

16 – LOL, I’ve got old flannel bedsheets ripped, rolled, and stuffed around my kitchen door! it sure helps to not have cold air whooshing around anywhere – that goes double for the gas bill, as well.

HC at 1 – I posted a link to your comment in Susan’s diary at FSZ.

19. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

aemd – Icemageddon your way, too, huh? Congrats on electrical restoration! Did you have to decamp in the meanwhile?

20. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

toque, I mean.

So easy to wear, so tricky to spell. . . .

21. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Speaking of snared: Finding Baby Jesus Easier With GPS.

Apparently, a fair number of purloined baby Jesuses and misappropriated menorahs make it onto police blotters every year.

Already this season, a baby Jesus was stolen from the First United Methodist Church of Kittanning, Pa., and replaced with a pumpkin.

A Lubavitch synagogue in Philadelphia will install a GPS chip on one menorah and a camera on another.

Sky-buddies alone can’t handle loss prevention, as Made-off’s clients have discovered.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Ooops. Blockquote from NPR should end after “camera on another.”

23. aemd - 14 December 2008

IB, no, I foolishly stuck it out. No one I knew had power, motels with power are packed and wasn’t quite ready for the emergency shelter. I had access to a small wood stove during the day and at night a pile of blankets and quilts. Last night, around 2am, I did decide to leave in the morning. Lying there hoping like hell for a hot flash so I could jump outta bed and run to the bathroom most likely did it. A little after 3, I heard the heat kicked on. WOOHOO, grabbed a blanket, the cat and had my ass planted on the heating grate in seconds.

Off to make another pot of HOT coffee, cook a HOT breakfast and to clean up this place. As slow as the power is coming up in this area, I’m likely to have overnight guests and drive-bys, all day, to use the shower.

24. Davefromqueens. - 14 December 2008

Feel free also to check out my website davefromqueens.com

Yes I cover the meta but I also cover other issues and am trying to create a forum where people can do that.

Definitely check out Wednesday night after 7 pm

MajorFlaw’s real identity will be in an explosive article. He has ties to certain politicians, just one of the angles covered.

25. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

HC –
re FSZ,
LOL – I figure I have enough trouble being inchoate here.
Despite it’s Merry Madness of Lincoln and all that
FSZ seems like another nettery. Soapblox is a
pacified gig/ Netroot Nation vending / Colorado LLC
pushing kosLite software, THEIR Platform. THEIR ISP hosting,
so go figure.

If he’s legit, DFQ I think is barking up the wrong tree.
Same premise and conclusion IMO applies to a number
of others passing through there, here, and where-ever else. …
Especially if you say it has quickly settled into a joint
not so receptive to dig into DK meta, snapping the liberal drag queen bras as it were, while finding yet another home to wordfuck with davidbyron, the enders and nooms of the world.

Yep. Just what the world needs now, not a peek through the looking glass into the abused child syndrome (Zionism, Inc.) likely to perpetuate itself into the very thing most all could agree is horror,(Nazism) and, ironically, ratify the most absurd of Holocaust Deniers, (Real Anti Semites) before the simple, the most simple truths of Legit Progressives ill-nomered as “Truthers” / Purists/ Insane Naderite whatevs are examined.
…( that Dems are bought and Sold By these people, Intel Services laid down, Shock Doctrine, Pelosi made a deal, we have crotch rot on our brokered lawyerly acaDem-y semi professy punditry borgeois balls…. ) No, the world needs another free wordfuck zone .
for role players, Just like we need another set of balls turning neither Blue or True, but “Orange”. Yippee! More! And Better!®
To each his own tho…

I missed a whole shitload of blogging as I was savin up dough this year, preparing for this heeya Fall and long, long Winter to come,
Not pretty for alot of people I am close to…
I get a few things right now and then…

26. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

24 What was that? A fuckin commercial dave?

27. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

23 – A little after 3, I heard the heat kicked on.

Ahhhhhhhh . . . a sound rivaling only the music of the spheres themselves! Enjoy the day of dispensing blessed relief!

28. marisacat - 14 December 2008

one of BHHM out of moderation… 8)

… and


glad to hear you have lights and whatever else back! Think H-RH might be somewhere near the path of the icestorm as well

29. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Oooh – BooHooHoo! Mind if I hotlink yours at FSZ too?

BTW – You’re getting a real raw deal from that fickle herb up north. . . .

30. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

Mind if I hotlink yours at FSZ too?

Is there money involved? Fondue? LOL.

31. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008


Mon Dieu!

Well, you did say you’re down for beef, cheese, and pattycake. . . .why not add molten chocolate and fruit?

32. marisacat - 14 December 2008

this is one reason why i was hoping against hope that the dems would top 60 votes in the us senate — wu ming

sadly the long whine goes on. Tho as Whitehouse of RI said if they can’t get or shang hai a couple of votes … they aren’t worth much. uh, got that right.

33. Heather-Rose Ryan - 14 December 2008

Best of luck to IB and aemd. Fortunately we didn’t get hit with the snow/ice storm – although we are pretty far north in NH the temps were warm enough that we only got “freezing rain” turning to rain. So there was some flooding but we never lost power. Of course then it got brutally cold, temps in the single digits, so all the wet slush turned to ice. Fun!

davefromqueens – I think you’ll discover with time that the interblog metawars are a waste of time and energy. It’s akin to those soap operas that go on for 35 years recycling the same old plots – same shit, different day – it never ends. However it’s true that occasionally there are amusing incidents. I enjoyed watching Armando’s various wigouts 🙂

34. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Banks and consumers brace for new credit card rules (Reuters).

The Federal Reserve is to vote on credit card reforms that may bring some relief to customers who face a variety of ways for being hit with late fees, universal defaults, shorter payment periods and confusing payment allocations for different balances.

Credit card users likely also would see easier-to-read tables in their monthly statements as a result of the changes.

The new rules, which were proposed earlier this year, are expected to total some 1,000 pages. They need approval of the Federal Reserve, the Office of Thrift Supervision and the National Credit Union Administration, which all are expected to act on Thursday.

Consumer groups say practices of credit card companies blindside consumers and U.S. lawmakers have threatened legislation if regulators did not use their consumer protection powers to reform the industry.

But but but but deceptive practices are too big ($$$) to fail!

35. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

God Josh Marshall is giving me a serious case of the ass.
Quit fuckin’ with the mobiles over the babies’ cribs, Josh.

So Different?

What we’re hearing is that this was a classic, if vast, Ponzi scheme. So in the annals of the great financial sector collapse of 2008, unlike the various Wall Street firms and high flyers who were ruined because of the Real Estate Bubble, illiquid mortgage-backed derivatives and generalized speculative euphoria, Madoff’s operation was just a scam, an old-fashioned fraud, that a lot of big players got suckered into.

Madoff’s operation was just a scam, an old-fashioned fraud…

Uh, no. No, Josh. Need we go through this again?

NEW YORK, NY 10021

05/09/2005 25000.00 25020223064

NEW YORK, NY 10021

04/08/2002 1000.00 22020572030
04/08/2002 1000.00 22020572029
08/18/2004 1000.00 24020682387
08/18/2004 1000.00 24020682386

It looks like Schumer’s Rabbi,
one of em at least –
has arrived ….
Focus Josh.

But put me down as suspicious — suspicious that the difference between Madoff’s and the other investment implosions we’ve seen over recent months will turn out to be so clearly one of kind rather than degree.

Who pays Marshall for his prattling distraction?
CORZINE CLINTON DODD – they all lined up.
Marshall can’t follow the web of Madoff’s Money?
Slow on the upbeat with today’s Time’s Story on Schumer?
No Linky Poo to draw them together and contextualize?
Ya’ Google don’t do FEC, Josh?


Oh Fer Gawds Sake.
Now You’re Just. Shakin’. The. Baby, Josh:::

Did Madoff start his operation as a consciously fraudulent enterprise? Or was he another operator who was massively over-leveraged, made a bunch of bad calls (you don’t have to make many if your leverage is high enough), lost virtually everything but then was able to keep operating and taking in money and claiming high returns because he had such insanely tight control over his books? In other words, did he start legit, get into trouble and then evolve, for lack of a better word, into a Ponzi scheme?

Where did it go?

Josheh’s shakey moyeling goes on much more…
and he’s gonna cut Chuck’s Schmuck right off of this story:::

To be crystal clear, I’m not claiming any specific knowledge of the Madoff case that’s not in all news accounts. -Josh Marshall

No Good Disclaimers all around, Josh. Your Mitigating Story. You.
So, ya denying any contact with Rahm Emanuel now , Josh? Henh.
Chuck Schumer’s Peeps? Emissaries? LOL.

36. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2008

The Blur of Old Europe all around us.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
38. marisacat - 14 December 2008


The othr thing.. a lot of Madoff clients, or so it seems to me, are not talking. And the NYT was positively restrained. Not even his name in the headline and the story moved in side quickly. Still wtih little coverage.

I’ve not bothered to check the So Florida papers… they may be more open.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

Michael Ware is reporting that an Iraqi man in the audience through his shoe at Bush’s press conference w/ Maliki on his special goodbye trip to Iraq.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

IB & aemd: I’m glad you krazy kids are okay! I recommend warm rum, myself. Even if it doesn’t warm you up, soon enough you’ll be too drunk to care.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

CBS Sunday Morning did a piece on the WPA that focused on the arts program:

“When Franklin Roosevelt was inaugurated, 13 to 15 million people were out of work,” said Nick Taylor, author of a new book called “American-Made: The Enduring Legacy of the WPA” (Bantam). “People standing in line, often rags for shoes, shuffling along in the snow to get a cup of soup or a piece of bread.”

The book examines the Works Progress Administration. It was a complete break from Herbert Hoover and past presidents who believed that only corporations create jobs, and only private charities should take care of the poor.

“I mean, Hoover said, ‘If only somebody could write a song or poem or tell a joke that would make people forget the Depression.’ He wasn’t doing anything about it in terms of the government’s force.

“Okay, so in comes FDR. The first thing he did was to provide relief, direct relief. Chits. Some people got checks. Some people got surplus food stuffs. But eventually the idea was to provide jobs, to allow people the dignity of work.”

The WPA lasted 8 years, from 1935 to 1943, and left a mark on America that is still visible today. It spent $11 billion dollars, employed eight and a half million people.

New roads were built – 650,000 miles of them. And new airports, including New York City’s Laguardia Airport.

But it wasn’t just about things. The public school lunch program got its start with WPA dollars.

“Attendance increased,” Taylor said. “It was something that raised the health of the country.”

FDR thought people needed places for recreation. So, the WPA repaired and enlarged the national park system, but Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins, the man who headed the WPA, knew there was more to life than bricks and mortar.

“The great thing that Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins recognized was that it made no sense whatsoever to take an excellent violin player and put him to work building a road,” Taylor said. “He could provide, or she could provide, entertainment to people. And enlightenment! And that’s why the WPA had an umbrella over arts projects as well as construction.”

In 1941, Woody Guthrie was paid to write songs for a month as he visited the new dams under construction along the Columbia River in Washington State.

The WPA financed 225,000 concerts, with audiences of 150 million Americans. Actors appeared in stage productions all over the country. Artists painted murals on countless public buildings, like those at Lguardia’s Marine Air Terminal in New York.

The WPA financed almost a half-million pieces of art. Some are on display at the Smithsonian American Art Museum in Washington.

George Gurney, the deputy chief curator at the museum, said the WPA arts program was a godsend for many artists in the 1930s. “It allowed them to continue to work where they would not have been able to do so otherwise.”

Gurney says many of the WPA works show the strength and promise of the country, such as Ray Strong’s painting of the Golden Gate Bridge under construction.

“Here was an artist showing what we were going to be able to do, what we can do. We are a nation that ‘can do,'” said Gurney.

Earle Richardson, who was African American, painted this scene of southern workers in the field.

“He was trying to convey that blacks in America contribute like everyone else,” Gurney said.

Taylor says in the end-the very definition of the American worker was transformed by the WPA: “To envision the worker not as a commodity but as a resource.”

Of course, they go on to tie it to Teh One’s economic program (we’ll see … somehow I don’t think the current donks are capable of that kind of foresite, and the current culture would never stand for supporting artists).

42. mattes - 14 December 2008

IB: The next domino..

Credit Card Securitization – An Overview
By Anthony Samuel


From the WSJ): “Banks and other finance companies making loans for autos, credit cards and college tuition are having virtually no success in selling those loans to other investors, a potent sign of just how tight credit markets remain.

The market for selling such loans — by packaging, or securitizing, them into bonds — had just one $500 million deal for all of October, according to Barclays Capital. That compares with $50.7 billion worth of deals made one year earlier, according to market-research firm Dealogic. The overall market for so-called asset-backed securitization is estimated at $2.5 trillion.

This creates repercussions for lenders and consumers alike.

Banks and other finance companies are stuck holding more loans on their balance sheets, which crimps their ability to offer new loans. That, in turn, shrinks available credit for consumers, who need it to finance an education, buy a new car, or pay for household expenses using a credit card. Banks were already reining in lending to customers as they try to reduce exposure to loans that may ultimately go unpaid.


43. bayprairie - 14 December 2008

Soapblox is a
pacified gig/ Netroot Nation vending / Colorado LLC
pushing kosLite software, THEIR Platform. THEIR ISP hosting,
so go figure.

One admin to rule them all,
One admin to find them,
One admin to bring them all and in the darkness bind them …


i’d have added you to my wishlist4warmth in the last thread. had the mistaken impression you were out west. heehee. HRR added as well. i really have no knowledge of weather so cold. brrrrrrrr

cold rain and snow
Bryn Davies, Sharon Gilchrist, Tony Rice and Peter Rowan

24 What was that? A fuckin commercial dave?

a driveby advert whooosh. inNout and on a non-commercial station to boot. tch tch

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

Opinion Mill Weekend Bookchat reviews a book about the WPA-era theater program:

One of the most unlikely offshoots of the government’s efforts to end the Depression and get the American economy up and running again was the Federal Theatre Project, which gave a leg up to Orson Welles, John Houseman, Sinclair Lewis and scores of other actors, writers and artists. That program, and the Republican rage that finally killed it, is the subject of Susan Quinn’s terrific new book Furious Improvisation: How the WPA and a Cast of Thousands Made High Art Out of Desperate Times. Reviewer Scott Eyman explains:

The reaction to all this on the part of Republicans in Congress can be imagined—”boondoggle” was the most polite word employed—but the virulence spread; Ms. Quinn writes that “bureaucrats at the state level refused to cooperate across state lines, especially in the Midwest.”

IT WAS THE 1938 Congressional elections that brought the W.P.A to an end, with the Republicans taking 13 governorships and eight senate seats, and doubling their holdings in the House. It was a strong rebuke to Roosevelt’s attempt to pack the Supreme Court—easily the stupidest thing a great politician has ever done. The new Republican majority in Congress went about the long-dreamt-of business of killing the New Deal, with the Federal Theatre Project as collateral damage.

The new Congress brought the elevation of one Martin Dies Jr., a singularly uncharming man who in time would run the House Un-American Activities Committee. Dies was a Texan who praised the Confederacy because it kept the South, he said, from being overrun by “ignorant niggers.” Ms. Quinn thus makes the point that the first victim of the Red Scare was the New Deal.

45. catnip - 14 December 2008

had my ass planted on the heating grate in seconds.

Reminds me of when I was young – getting up cold in the morning and hustling to the nearest grate, draping my long, flannel nightgown over it as it blew up like a balloon to warm myself up.

Okay. I confess. That was yesterday morning, actually.

Good to hear you guys are safe and warm!

mcat, a lady I met here is going to lend me a shaped neck bag with herbs that’s supposed to work well. I’ll let you know how that goes. I have a wheat bag but it’s a bit bulky and heavy.

46. mattes - 14 December 2008

bayprairie – From last thread on Schumer, let’s not forget international interests:

“He is serving the parochial interest of a very small group of financial people, bankers, investment bankers, fund managers, private equity firms, rather than serving the general public,”

I wonder how involved he was with Netenyahu getting the US divested from Iran and INvested in Israeli bonds:

State of Israel Bonds are debt securities issued by the Government of Israel.


Purchasers now include more than 1,700 labor unions, over 1,800 foundations, and numerous states, municipalities, corporations, insurance companies, associations, union pension funds, banks, financial institutions, universities, synagogues, and private investors. Over 70 state and municipal public employee pension and treasury funds have invested more than $1 billion in the bonds.


Similarly, in a July 2006 research update, Standard & Poor’s said, “State of Israel Bonds… provide(s) significant funding flexibility.”

United States

Half of the states in the US have invested in State of Israel bonds. In 2003, the State of New Jersey pension system purchased $20 million in bonds. In 2005, the Texas Treasury purchased $2 million in the bonds, bringing its total investments to $20 million,and Louisiana purchased $5 million.

In 2007 Florida adopted a bill authorizing county and local governments throughout the State to invest surplus funds in State of Israel bonds. More than $100 million in the bonds are purchased every year within Florida by various individuals, corporations, pension plans, universities, hospitals, foundations, unions, banks and insurance companies.The same year, New Mexico announced the purchase of $5 million in State of Israel Bonds, adding to the $10 million that the State had purchased in 2003.

On September 18, 2008, the city and state of New York each announced their intention to purchase $15 million in Israel bonds.


capnip, the ongoing saga on Dave can be explained by going to the link, koskops on the left hand of FSZ. Many of the I/P thugs have joined FW in cleaning up dk even further. Their blood lust knowns no bounds.

47. mattes - 14 December 2008

# 6 Mcat,
I suspect NY politics make Chicago politics look like kindergarden. I just can’t imagine we are more devious.

48. catnip - 14 December 2008

29. You’re getting a real raw deal from that fickle herb up north. .

Hair and shovels are important in the frozen tundra.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

AP: Many Insisting That Obama Is Not Black

LOL … VERY funny piece, all over the map.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

Evan Bayh Forming Blue Dog Caucus in the Senate

Bayh, who has spoken with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) about his initiative, said he is trying to create a faction of moderate Senators who will gather on a weekly basis ahead of the usual Tuesday Democratic Caucus meetings.

Additionally, Bayh envisions inviting outside speakers to address the group, which would also work in concert with third parties that have similar viewpoints, like the Third Way, a nonpartisan progressive think tank.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border

AS a convoy of blue-and-white United Nations trucks loaded with food waited last night for Israeli permission to enter Gaza, Jindiya Abu Amra and her 12-year-old daughter went scrounging for the wild grass their family now lives on.

“We had one meal today – khobbeizeh,” said Abu Amra, 43, showing the leaves of a plant that grows along the streets of Gaza. “Every day, I wake up and start looking for wood and plastic to burn for fuel and I beg. When I find nothing, we eat this grass.”

Abu Amra and her unemployed husband have seven daughters and a son. Their tiny breeze-block house has had no furniture since they burnt the last cupboard for heat.

“I can’t remember seeing a fruit,” said Rabab, 12, who goes with her mother most mornings to scavenge. She is dressed in a tracksuit top and holed jeans, and her feet are bare.

Conditions for most of the 1.5m Gazans have deteriorated dramatically in the past month, since a truce between Israel and Hamas, the ruling Islamist party, broke down.

Israel says it will open the borders again when Hamas stops launching rockets at southern Israel. Hamas says it will crack down on the rocket launchers when Israel opens the borders.

The fragile truce technically ends this Thursday, and there have been few signs it will be renewed. Nobody knows how to resolve the stalemate. Secret talks are under way through Egyptian intermediaries, although both sides deny any contact.

Israel controls the borders and allows in humanitarian supplies only sporadically. Families had electricity for six hours a day last week. Cooking gas was available only through the illegal tunnels that run into Egypt, and by last week had jumped in price from 80 shekels per canister (£14) to 380 shekels (£66).

Why not use fucking airdrops? What is Israel gonna do, shoot down the planes?

52. mattes - 14 December 2008


Schumer’s friends:

Henry Kravis makes $51,369 PER HOUR. You pay more taxes.

53. marisacat - 14 December 2008

Sorry! Several from both Madman and mattes out of Moderation.

Pretty clearly WP took it out on the “M”!


54. catnip - 14 December 2008

46. capnip, the ongoing saga on Dave can be explained by going to the link, koskops on the left hand of FSZ.

Thanks, mattes. I’ll check that out.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
56. mattes - 14 December 2008

Guess youtube is finally zionist controlled, bet they delete all of the crazy settlers videos:

Anti-Defamation League joins YouTube to fight online hate

As a result of this partnership, the League is now a contributor to YouTube’s newly launched Abuse & Safety Center, where users are empowered to identify and confront hate, and to report abuses.

the YouTube Abuse & Safety Center features information and links to resources developed by ADL to help Internet users respond to and report offensive material and extremist content that violates YouTube?s Community Guidelines on hate speech.


And is there anything new here:

To the Jewish West Bank settlers who attacked Palestinian people and property in Hebron this month, it was Operation Price Tag — an attempt to increase the price to the Israeli government of evacuating them from ground they view as sacred.

For all concerned, the decision of the settlers to riot December 4 after Israeli security forces evicted them from a disputed Hebron property highlighted a new tactic by hot-headed young followers of some of the Israeli-occupied West Bank’s most extreme Jewish leaders: violent retaliation, along with a conscious disdain for secular law to stop further government-ordered evacuations on the West Bank.

The violence, which included setting a Palestinian home afire, left at least two Palestinians injured and shocked much of the Israeli public. But it was not the first time. Previous settler riots in the West Bank have gone less publicized, including one less than three months earlier that outgoing Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also likened to a pogrom.

And three in particular have risen to the surface as the prime figures from whom this loose, informally structured cohort of defiant young people take inspiration and encouragement, if not direction:

• Daniella Weiss, a founder of the pioneering settlers movement Gush Emunim,

• Rabbi Shalom Dov Wolpe, a messianist member of the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic movement.

• Baruch Marzel, a follower of the late right-wing Jewish leader Rabbi Meir Kahane.

The three have no formal links. But this merely underscores the loose, informal nature of the movement they embody.


57. marisacat - 14 December 2008

41, 44

San Francisco is loaded with WPA works… or remnants of. The curbs of the road going up Telegraph Hill to Coit Tower still say “WPA”.

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

I’ve got to say, Bush has pretty good reflexes. Link to the shoe-throwing thanks to Angry Arab.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

56 – the interesting thing, watching the Sunday Morning segment, was that the language used in the fight for and against the WPA was exactly the same as it is now.

This country is perpetually adolescent.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

“Post-Racial” Racism in the Post

As one who studies racial inequality and the African American condition in particular, I have often been told to ignore the studies that show there is still racial prejudice in employment, homeownership, and predatory lending, and to instead look at the rapid decline of two parent households for African Americans. In the report “40 Years Later: The Unrealized American,” I looked at the decline of the two parent household for Blacks and whites and found some surprising results.

Using data from the 2007 State of Our Unions report, I discovered that the share of Black children living in a single parent home increased by 155% between 1960 to 2006. The share of white children living in single parent homes increased by 229% during this same time period. The white two-parent family has declined at a faster rate than the Black family. Yet, Ms. Hymowitz never once mentions that the increase of single parent Black families exist in a context of an even greater rate of increase in single parent white families. Ms. Hymowitz attacks Black leaders for not addressing this issue yet as a white woman she never sees fit to mention this issue as it relates to white Americans.

Was Ms. Hymowitz so concerned about the African American community that she failed to consider that Blacks were part of a national social trend that was cutting across racial lines? I do not know. What I do know is that she is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, an organization with a history of concluding that the “deficiencies” of African Americans are the primary cause of inequality. Charles Murray, formerly of the Manhattan Institute, is the most renown example of this tradition. In 1994 he co-wrote the book “The Bell Curve”. This best selling book argued that Black/white inequality could be explained by the inferior intelligence of African Americans.

Ms. Hymowitz’s charge that civil rights leaders historically and today remain silent on the topic of Black family and single parent households is as misleading as her portrayal of the break up of the family. Growing up in the 1980’s, I remember listening to Rev. Jackson as he urged Black men to stand up to their responsibilities as fathers. In 1995 I was proud to participate in the Million Man March, the largest Black gathering this country has ever seen. Over a million Black men came together to pledge greater responsibility for their families and to atone for their sins. The Black community and its leaders have always engaged the issue of greater self-responsibility. One can look back to Garvey, DuBois, Fredrick Douglass and Harriet Tubman for this tradition.

In his book “Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community,” Dr. King stated “History continues to mock the Negro today, because just as he needs ever greater family integrity, severe strains are assailing family life in the white community.” Someone seriously concerned about the decline of the two-parent family would not racialize a serious national problem. They would, instead, challenge the nation to address this problem in unity.

61. marisacat - 14 December 2008

Please! Most of the country are fierce anti Socialist fighters! Hardly adolescent. 😆

tho that movie “And the Cradle will Rock”, shows (and is entertaining as it does it) that no government, even helpful gov (for its own reasons) can stand real free speech.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
63. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

“post-racism” post in moderation, I think.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
65. marisacat - 14 December 2008


Think it was Hymowitz who had an awful piece of opinion writing on the black family.. in Wapo a couple fo weeks ago. Full of Moynihan…

of course Ob feeds all fo that.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

Milk and the movement

I recommend this film most highly. It is most important, of course, for its portrayal of a moment, and a critical figure, in the gay rights movement. It is also evocative of what seems now to be a lost moment in American politics, or at least Bay Area progressive politics, then fueled by the power of coalitions.

I was working at the Center for Independent Living in Berkeley, a disability rights organization, in November 1978, and I remember gathering in shock around radios to hear the news of the Milk and Moscone murders. Although movements are often remembered for their singular contributions, one enduring legacy of Harvey Milk and the gay rights movement of the time was the effort to build alliances between groups. This helped fuel victories in other movements. While in legal history we often remember the milestones that move change forward, the film also helps us remember is that some of the victories were instead the defeat of measures like the anti-gay Briggs Initiative in California in 1978. Coalition politics can be especially important at times of retrenchment. Coalition work served as the cornerstone of efforts to minimize the impact of California’s Proposition 13 (1978), which limited property taxation, on community groups that served poor and minority communities. More on Milk’s coalition work is in the Sacramento Bee.
While I remember Harvey Milk’s impact on the San Francisco Bay Area, the film makes the case for Milk’s broader impact. Wesley Morris wrote of the film in the Boston Globe: “By nearly every measure, ‘Milk’ is a beautifully made, far less conventional movie biography than most.” The director “isn’t simply telling the story of a politician. He has undertaken an expanding cultural portrait. The focus grows from a man to a street to a neighborhood to a city to a country.”

67. catnip - 14 December 2008

There’s a man outside shoveling my walk. Yay!

68. catnip - 14 December 2008

In an interview, Mr. Schumer said that until the recent market turmoil, he did not fully appreciate how much risk Wall Street had assumed and how much damage its practices could inflict on ordinary Americans. “It is a learning process, no question about it, an evolution,” he said,

I can’t get over all of these so-called experts claiming they were gobsmacked by what happened. Massive denial.

69. mattes - 14 December 2008

Might be old news, more fallout:

Freedom’s Watch Goes Out of Business

Readers of this blog will be interested to learn, if they haven’t already, that Freedom’s Watch, a spin-off of the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) funded mainly by casino king Sheldon Adelson, has gone out of business, as reported in Tuesday’s Washington Times. The article is well worth reading, but, among other interesting facts, it discloses that the group spent a mere $30 million – or perhaps $45 million dollars its 2007 ad campaign on behalf of the Surge in Iraq – in this election cycle, far short of the $200 million that it had reportedly planned to raise and disburse.

As has been reported elsewhere, Adelson, who can be expected to be a major funder for the Likud campaign in the February elections, has suffered huge losses over the past year. “Only a year ago, Mr. Adelson, 75, was the third-richest man in America, with a net worth of $28 billion. But since then, Mr. Adelson’s company, Las Vegas Sands Corp., has lost 95 percent of its stock value,” according to the Times.


70. marisacat - 14 December 2008

All, all all of these people are already working on the next bubble. There is little real discussion of our long siege of bubble and bust. We’ve been thru too many of them in my adult life time. One per decade, of differing lengths. ALWAYS longer than the stupid grafs say.

I still say SF and environs only made it out of the ’89-’90-’91 [and so on] recession with the tech bubble. And that was an ugly one.

71. NYCO - 14 December 2008

I thought that thing about Bush and the shoe-throwin’ mutha was a joke or Onion story until I saw the video.

Surreal. And he managed to throw both shoes, too. I think this guy has stolen the Golden ‘Nads Award from Stephen Colbert.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
73. marisacat - 14 December 2008

Angry Arab ~ http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ ~ is having a field day with the shoes toss… but then there is this from him too…

When the Shoe is Mightier than the Pen

And now the serious business. Comrade Sinan [Antoon] sent me this:

“did u see the fuckers pull the man by his hair? and the iraqi security telling everyone to turn off cameras? god knows they will torture him. we should start an appeal to demand his safety.”

Will those fancy Western journalistic associations now demand that he be released? Will they speak on his own behalf? Or will they now say that shoe throwing is a brand of terrorism and that the man should be shipped to Guantanamo? A source received word from Baghdad that the man has been beaten.

Posted by As’ad at 1:08 PM

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008

The Hollow Men Who Rule Us

Well, that world is here, now, and plutocrats are our (barely) “unacknowledged legislators”. Behind microthin legalistic pasties where what is a crime in one room on one phone is perfectly legal in another room on another phone, the proxies and creatures of the malefactors of great wealth buy and sell policy, politicians, news and nations like lean hog futures and light, sweet crude.

Among his catalog of sins, Rod Blagojevich tried to turn Barack Obama’s Senate seat into his 401K, and shake down a children’s hospital for 50 grand. And for this he richly deserves and will do time in the House of Many Doors.

Among their catalog of sins, our Wall Street overlords have nearly destroyed the global economy. And for this, the sun is being blotted out the sheer number and size of their Platinum Parachutes as they float away from the scene of their crime on a gentle breeze of taxpayer dollars.

Among his vast catalog of sins, George W. Bush lied us into a war that got hundreds of thousands of people killed and pissed away trillions of your dollars into the sands of Iraq and the pockets of his cronies. And for this he will get a Presidential library and a retirement plan that will make the most lavish UAW pension look like a rounding error.

We are a nation which, for some congenitally fucked-up reason, cannot seem to grasp that modern Big Dollar government – at all levels – is barely more than “…the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex” (h/t Frank Zappa).

And until we give up our charmingly anachronistic notions of what defines the borders and parameters of political corruption and accountability, we will always miss that bigger picture.

We will always be “straining out gnats and swallowing camels” (h/t Matthew) and the Hollow Men and their hirelings will always rule us from just behind the curtain.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2008
76. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Usual fun and games with donkeytale and possibly related entities in the Susan Something diary, and then poof! Diary and all comments zotzed. I suspect SS pulled the plug herself, but if she didn’t and she needs a copy, I had it open in another window at the time and can e-mail her whatever.

It’s all gotten more than little baroque.

Glad the ice storm bypassed the other northerners upthread. Thanks for the gorgeous topical bluegrass tune, bay. If I’d had it last night, I would have put it into the CD, which I’m calling Mixed Precipitation 2008. Includes Sleeping Cold by Kasey Chambers and Shane Nicholson, The Snows They Melt the Soonest (trad) sung by Susan McKeown, Wind and Rain by Crooked Still and a really pretty fiddle and button-box piece by Winifred Horan and Mick McAuley called Daisy in December.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Don K. Rickle-stale and a daisy in the mod pod, I think.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008


79. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Winter tunes etcetera in the mod pod.

80. marisacat - 14 December 2008

Sorry IB.. WP is less than functional today… 👿

Got them out now…

81. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Thanks, or sorry, or something!

82. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Almost forgot – checked out the album Good Life by Justin Townes Earle (son of Steve) for the first time last night. Put Lone Pine Hill on there, too . . . and South Georgia Sugar Babe just to break up the chill (and echo the Duhks’ 95 South, another song about being on the road and heading for to see your dearest darling tonight).

83. marisacat - 14 December 2008

I am surprised the SS diary at FSZ was zapped, by whomever. But, yes, d-tale (and others, whom ever else) is in full residence at FSZ.

84. marisacat - 14 December 2008

new thread..


…………. 8) ………….

85. Hair Club for Men - 14 December 2008

HC at 1 – I posted a link to your comment in Susan’s diary at FSZ.

It seems to be gone .

Oh well, I just wanted to acknowlege Susan’s diary before I went into the city and my comment turned into a small novel.

Boiled down to its essentials.

Dave’s done more than enough to discredit Kos. He doesn’t even have to post Major Flaw’s name.

FSZ is a waste of time.

Just to add to Dave’s basic insight, I’m having a good laugh about the little coorindated netroots campaign against Chris Matthews. Matthews is no prize but ha ha.


I’ve long been waiting for an opportunity to vote for a Republican to establish my bipartisan cred, and while I never thought Arlen Specter would be the guy, if Tweety’s his opponent it’ll probably happen.


But Matthews is a bridge too far. I could never vote for, raise funds for or in any other way help Chris Matthews become a member of the Senate and if it came down to it, if I lived in Pa, I’d probably support Specter.

Yeah. There’s no “townhouse” list 🙂

I’ve got a pretty simple rule of thumb for I/P debates.

If you argue that the Israelis oppress the Palestinians, you’re just stating fact.

If you argue that an international Jewish conspiracy oppresses Americans, you’re an anti-semite.

That being said between Madoff and Rahm, it looks as if Obama sucked up to the house of Zion prematurely. He should have waited a few weeks for it to go down like a house of Enron cards.

Then he could have appointed Samantha Power and Brzezinski after all.

86. Intermittent Bystander - 14 December 2008

Well, before it went down, Ender thought you made good points at #1 above, and donkeytale smeared you as unstable, having voted for Ross Perot.

Laugh track goes here

87. pff noom - 14 December 2008

Intermittent Bystander

“I suspect SS pulled the plug herself, but if she didn’t and she needs a copy, I had it open in another window at the time and can e-mail her whatever.”

can you post a link to it, I’d like a copy.


Mcat how r ya?

HCfM…sup bro


88. ms_xeno - 15 December 2008

hrh, #33:

Yeah, screw that noise. I need to post a potato recipe, and soon.

[Passes IB the spare spare blanket. I’m using the spare to keep warm at the computer. The cats are unconcerned with my welfare, and they’re napping in the other room out of disgust that I wouldn’t share my lunch with them. So much for the New Improved Depression creating newfound solidarity amongst the masses. :p ]

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