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far from the ice storms… 17 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, SCOTUS, Sex / Reproductive Health.
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A bee lands to collect pollen on the flower of a Cereus or Hedge Cactus in Cottesloe, Western Australia [Picture: AFP/GETTY]

In the spirit of the bee and the flower… Washington Blade takes a smack at the choice of Warren of Saddleback MegaHooHoo to give the invocation:

[W]arren, outspoken proponent of California’s Proposition 8, is James Dobson masquerading as a moderate. A writer for The Nation observed the following after a 2005 interview with Warren: “Lamenting the ‘tyranny of activist judges,’ who obstruct the will of the majority, he evinces no understanding of minority rights or the judiciary’s role in enforcing them. Explaining his views about homosexuality and gay rights, he notes, ‘I don’t think that homosexuality is the worst sin,’ and, ‘By the way, my wife and I had dinner at a gay couple’s home two weeks ago. So I’m not [a] homophobic guy, okay?’  […]

[W]hy did Obama choose such a person to deliver the invocation? Where are all the influential gay officials on his team who should be advising him about such matters? Obama should rescind the invitation to Warren. His presence on the inauguration stand is a slap in the faces of the millions of GLBT voters who so enthusiastically supported him. There are plenty of affirming religious figures in this country who could step into that role and not alienate and offend scores of Americans. This tone-deafness to our concerns must not be tolerated. We have just endured eight years of endless assaults on our dignity and equality from a president beholden to bigoted conservative Christians. The election was supposed to have ended that era. It appears otherwise.  …snip…

I’ll repeat myself, he really, deep down, wants to nominate a Latina pentecostal to the SC.  No question in my mind….

It’s all so damnably mediocre.

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1. marisacat - 17 December 2008

hmm Not a surprise I would guess, but still…………

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

CHRYSLER TO CLOSE ALL 30 OF ITS MANUFACTURING PLANTS FOR A MONTH [5:15 PM EST]

2. catnip - 17 December 2008

This tone-deafness to our concerns must not be tolerated. We have just endured eight years of endless assaults on our dignity and equality from a president beholden to bigoted conservative Christians. The election was supposed to have ended that era.

Really? And what exactly gave you that impression?

3. catnip - 17 December 2008

I think the next four years will be summed up in 3 little words: but, but, but!

4. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

To play devil’s advocate here for a second, Billy Graham gave the invocation at both of Clinton’s inaugurations.

And (according to his son Franklin) he’s refused to have any contact with Obama because of the fact that Obama’s pro-choice.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat4556.html

5. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Actually correction, Franklin didn’t say that was the reason. But the Grahams are severing the relationship.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Andy Rooney: Pretty Young Thing

7. mattes - 17 December 2008

How did Graham get so much power. I have never read much about him.

8. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

To continue Heather Rose Ryan’s argument about anonymity from the last thread.

37. I use a “handle” for my timewasting activities because I don’t necessarily want them showing up on Google searches.

Really? Why not?

Because I don’t really see the internet as being much different from real life. There are things I’ll reveal about myself and things I won’t reveal about myself. And there are things I’m just not interested in seeing much searchable.

So I won’t post anything about where I work or anything about what I do because that’s dragging someone else into my own personal activities. I won’t post about family members or friends. Same reason.

I’ll write about the location where I live (eastern Union County New Jersey) but I won’t post my address.

Note, I did post my address (and a Google search to my address) during a flame war with “Shadowthief”) but that was mainly because my domain was registered publically and I just assumed that anybody who took several hours to count up and archive all of my comments here probably did a whois search and found out where I lived.

Now that I’ve switched my domains over to an anonymous register, I’m hoping my address and phone number are off the internet but it not I’ll deal with it.

As for posting comments under a handle, I see commenting on weblogs as a way to free up from writer’s block. Posting under my own name would mean that I’d be censoring myself. Once again, if people match up my comments under various semi-anonymous handles, that really wouldn’t be a huge deal

That being said, I pretty much agree with HRH. Free Speech Zone and PFF more than prove her points about anonymity and internet bullying.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

last thread: I’ve come to the conclusion that the easy anonymity afforded by the medium is the main reason the discourse is so worthless.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that scolds on teh ‘nets are the real reason for the lousy discourse.

10. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

How did Graham get so much power. I have never read much about him.

It looks as if he hooked up with William Randolph Hearst in the 1940s.

Then Truman decided to use him as part of an all around campaign against “godless communism”.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

# 86, last thread: ”anti-war compact discs”

They got a bunch of copies of “Sound of Music”?

12. NYCO - 17 December 2008

Caroline Kennedy has never been to Rochester before? The third biggest city in the effing state?

Her Syracuse appearance? Quelle disastre. (Maybe that’s not proper French but then again why should we actually have to know anything? Let’s pretend.)

I’m getting so, so fucking tired of having to accept senatorial candidates who need to review flash cards on the Learjet about one-third of the state’s population and four-fifths of its land area.

(Oh, why bother… this is just being played for a “storyline” anyway and soon there will be a pro-Caroline backlash and the fix will be in.)

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

I’ve been to Syracuse… can I be appointed now?

Did your mom fuck a President?

14. catnip - 17 December 2008
15. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Did your mom fuck a President?

My great grandmother made bootlegged whisky for the mayor of Elizabeth.

And I’ve been to Kodak museum.

When do I get my Senate seat?

Note: I’m planning to have PZ Meyers swear me in on a copy of Origin of Species.

16. catnip - 17 December 2008

Environment Canada is forecasting Snowmageddon for Easter Canada. lol

In other news, this town has a taxi service and I’m gonna use it.

17. catnip - 17 December 2008
18. catnip - 17 December 2008

*Easter=Eastern

hop hop

19. catnip - 17 December 2008

Politico:

President-elect Barack Obama on Thursday will name the first woman to head the Securities and Exchange Commission, according to two senior Democratic officials. Mary Schapiro is currently CEO of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, a non-governmental association that oversees all American securities firms. She is a former SEC commissioner. Then on Friday, he’ll come back with a Republican for his Cabinet — retiring Rep. Ray LaHood of Illinois, who will be tapped as Obama’s transportation secretary.

20. Hosanna, Hey Superstar « Breakfast in the Ruins - 17 December 2008

[…] to our friend Marisacat, we learn the “good” news that stealth-zealot Rick Warren will be invoking the Imaginary White Father at St. Obama’s inauguration. From the Washington […]

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Harry’s Just Wild About Caroline

Is Fightin’ Harry pitching a tent in his saggy pink Everlasts?

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

LOL

George Tenet, Drunk in Bandar’s Pool, Screaming about Jews

Hunter could have written that title.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Children forced into cell-like school seclusion rooms

MURRAYVILLE, Georgia (CNN) — A few weeks before 13-year-old Jonathan King killed himself, he told his parents that his teachers had put him in “time-out.”

“We thought that meant go sit in the corner and be quiet for a few minutes,” Tina King said, tears washing her face as she remembered the child she called “our baby … a good kid.”

But time-out in the boy’s north Georgia special education school was spent in something akin to a prison cell — a concrete room latched from the outside, its tiny window obscured by a piece of paper.

Called a seclusion room, it’s where in November 2004, Jonathan hanged himself with a cord a teacher gave him to hold up his pants.

An attorney representing the school has denied any wrongdoing.

Seclusion rooms, sometimes called time-out rooms, are used across the nation, generally for special needs children. Critics say that along with the death of Jonathan, many mentally disabled and autistic children have been injured or traumatized.

This is not a civilized nation.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008
25. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Questions for Mr. Geithner

In the absence of an explanation, the changing Lehman story seems like an attempt to deflect public attention from what could go down in history as an epic blunder. It also reinforces the impression of bias created by the disparate treatment of Lehman and A.I.G. Lehman was left to die, while A.I.G.’s counterparties were saved.

The revised version of the story (in which there is no disparate treatment, only officials following the letter of the law in each case) sidesteps questions about whether the bailout of A.I.G. — arranged by Mr. Geithner — was influenced by the specific needs of some of the insurer’s counterparties, like Goldman Sachs.

The Times’s Gretchen Morgenson reported that Lloyd Blankfein, the chief executive of Goldman, was the only Wall Street executive at a meeting at the New York Federal Reserve on Sept. 15 to discuss the A.I.G. bailout. A Goldman spokesman said Mr. Blankfein was not there to represent his firm’s interests, but rather that Goldman “engaged” the issue because of the implications to the entire system.

Adding to the opacity, the Fed recently decided to keep confidential one of two reports that it made to Congress on the A.I.G. bailout. If the Fed had not insisted on confidentiality, that report would have been made public.

Mr. Geithner should be asked at his confirmation hearing to explain which firms were threatened by an A.I.G. collapse, in what amounts and how those entanglements justify an ongoing bailout. Mr. Geithner must also explain how such entanglements came to be the norm on his watch. His answers will help shed light on whether he is sufficiently distant from Wall Street to reform a system that has proved catastrophically unstable.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Perrin:

“This seems open and shut to me: the Iraqi journalist should go to jail for a rather long time.”

To Perlstein, the real criminal at that Baghdad press conference was Muntathar al-Zaidi, who was dragged off to be beaten and tortured for his anarcho-fascist behavior. I mean, throwing shoes? Isn’t that how the Third Reich got started? Bush, on the other hand, has every right to stand before the Iraqis and lecture them on the glories of democracy. As a “leader of a sovereign state,” Bush’s mass murder and support for torture in Iraq is legally if not morally sanctioned, or at least undeserving of such crude expressions like flying shoes. I’m certain that if Indonesia’s Suharto had shoes thrown at him by a Timorese journalist who lost friends and family in that US-backed genocide, Perlstein would take the same, sensible stand.

Perlstein reminds us that many American liberals are fond of the imperial state, and will defend it against ungrateful recipients of our sometimes misguided, but generally benevolent interventions. Why else would Perlstein call for al-Zaidi’s prolonged incarceration, while Bush, however “deservedly hated,” can walk freely from the country where his bloody fingerprints are everywhere? Too bad John Wayne Gacy wasn’t a head of state. He’d have been free to continue his murderous clown act, with the likes of Rick Perlstein honking his horn out of respect for the office. Recall, too, that Gacy was a Democrat, which would’ve made Perlstein’s job even easier.

27. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

During the Advent of St Ob’s Innaug

Unprecedented in its scope,
The Vatican is now coordinating with US Central Banking moves
Both have agreed to move Christmas and the current End Of Quarter to January 20, 09.

“Shopping, shoes in particular, always has been an issue for me,” the Holy Father confessed in rare candid press conference from the Holy See.

Questioning Papal Authority, A Greek Reporter attempting to remind
the Pope of the great Schism of the East was then interrupted by a
younger shoe throwing Anarchist Greek, shouting Shut The Fuck Up!
to both, while beanballing a shoe at Benedict, who, amazingly,
snagged it like a Rock Star OutFielder,
and immediately began sniffing it..

The shocked Greek Reporter was then hit by the second incoming size 10, neither as agile nor fully orgasmic as the Pontiff was at the time.

Vatican Security seemed thoroughly prepared , as they efficiently ushered the semi-spasmodic Pope from the room. Dragged towards the safety the Papal Residence, Benedict was still seen to be clutching the younger Greek’s shoe to his nostrils.

28. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

I say unto you, cast off thy shoes but leave none unsniffed,
then chuck away, chuck away, chuck away all.

29. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Bush, however “deservedly hated,” can walk freely from the country where his bloody fingerprints are everywhere?

But why doesn’t Perrin ask the even more obvious question?

Rod Blagoevich is caught on tape talking about a crime that hasn’t yet been committed. He’s led off in handcuffs. Of course, there’s only a complaint, not an indictment, and he’s only given 4500 bail. And he’ll probably get off because Fitzgerald jumped the gun on having him arrested.

Dick Cheney is caught on national TV admitting to a crime that’s already been committed. No consequences.

Muntathar al-Zaidi throws a shoe. At best this is 3rd degree assault, and, since Bush wasn’t injured, nobody in any state in America would do any time for it.

So let’s see. Dick Cheney operates at the very highest levels of power. Rod Blagoevich is a powerful man but not quite as powerful as Cheney. Muntathar al-Zaidi is a powerless TV journalist.

Punishment increases not at the level of the crime’s severity but is inversely proportional to the amount of political and economic and military power the criminal has.

Thrasymachus was right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrasymachus

30. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Speaking of administering harsh punishment to children…

Truth Out… http://www.truthout.org/121708R

[D]uncan, CEO of the Chicago Public Schools, presided over the implementation and expansion of an agenda that militarized and corporatized the third largest school system in the nation, one that is about 90 percent poor and nonwhite. Under Duncan, Chicago took the lead in creating public schools run as military academies, vastly expanded draconian student expulsions, instituted sweeping surveillance practices, advocated a growing police presence in the schools, arbitrarily shut down entire schools and fired entire school staffs. A recent report, “Education on Lockdown,” claimed that partly under Duncan’s leadership “Chicago Public Schools (CPS) has become infamous for its harsh zero tolerance policies. Although there is no verified positive impact on safety, these policies have resulted in tens of thousands of student suspensions and an exorbitant number of expulsions.”[4] Duncan’s neoliberal ideology is on full display in the various connections he has established with the ruling political and business elite in Chicago.[5] … spin…

Third harsh critique I’ve read of Duncan. And I am not even hunting for them.

31. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

I’ve got to agree with Noom here.

http://freespeechzoneblog.com/showComment.do?commentId=34999

no bannings fer ass kissers then, even tho you clearly violated site policiy by posting his RL info. whether it can be found online is irrelevant. eye didn’t know his name till then, eye never gave a shit.
so if yer not banned, why is dave?

32. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Aravosis is an ass… but he marginally gets it (via Ben Smith)

John Aravosis, a bit of a leading indicator in these things, is up in arms:

“Gee, maybe Donnie McClurkin wasn’t a fluke. Picking Rick Warren to give THE invocation is abominable,” he writes.

Damn straight McClurkin was not an aberration.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

32 – duh John …

30 – His pattern of noms is really worrisome.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Court Rules Against National Security Letters and Provisions of the Patriot Act

In a victory for civil liberties, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has struck down provisions of the Patriot Act that prevent people from disclosing that they have received national security letters.

The gag order provision has long been challenged by civil liberties groups as unconstitutional but both Democrats and Republicans voted for it. The Court held that the government has the burden to justify such gag orders and struck down limitations on judicial review. For a copy of the opinion, click here.

The lawsuit was filed in 2004 after an Internet Service Provider (ISP) received an NSL and the ACLU is still being prevented from disclosing its client’s identity.

The ruling upholds the lower court opinion of Judge Victor Marrero of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

35. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008
36. marisacat - 17 December 2008

The gag order provision has long been challenged by civil liberties groups as unconstitutional but both Democrats and Republicans voted for it.

And a most famous case, the CT Librarians… were denied an appt to meet with Leahy (once their case was adjudicated), then ranking Dem on the Judiciary, because they were not from VT. Oh please, what is the point of the congress.

GMAFB. The appt was denied as he DOES NOT CARE and agrees with the whole of the mess. Not merely the hateful gag order part of it. They even had problems communicating with the ACLU, they did nto tell spouses, etc.

37. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

mattes sees right through the facets on the Tenet Job Spot on and Well done.

I also noticed this.

An enraged George Tenet, drunk on scotch, flailing about Prince Bandar’s Riyadh pool

Scotch in Riyadh?

What if you’re not the head of the CIA or a member of the royal family?

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/32856.html

The British Embassy in Saudi Arabia has published a useful guide for Britons coming to live and work in Saudi Arabia: With respect to alcohol, it says: “Sentences for alcohol offences
range from a few weeks or months imprisonment for consumption to
several years for smuggling, manufacturing or distributing alcohol.
Lashes can also be part of the sentence; and a hefty Customs fine if
smuggled alcohol is involved. The authorities also hand out stiff
penalties to people found in possession of equipment for making
alcohol.”

38. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

34

I wonder why now gag orders are lifted on National Security Threat Investigations…funny when the bad actors are so clearly in the JudeoChristian court …

39. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

36 Bingo.

40. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Scotch in Riyadh?

There are special foreign enclaves… scotch and other thngs are permitted. Sort of International Districts

If you recall the enclaves hit by insurgents or militants, think two or three were hit at once a few years ago… at least a couple fo the walled estates hit were enclaves for foreigners.. places where liquor and western dress and swimsuits are permitted.

41. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

If you recall the enclaves hit by insurgents or militants, think two or three were hit at once a few years ago… at least a couple fo the walled estates hit were enclaves for foreigners.. places where liquor and western dress and swimsuits are permitted.

Maybe it was just Al Qaeda’s version of sneaking into a neighbor’s house to steal the beer of out of his fridge?

Does this story prove that Tenet is an idiot or what?

Who gets shitfaced drunk with the head of a foreign intelligence agency in a country where the biggest terrorist attack in the history of your own country was at least partly planned?

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008
43. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Poor Democrats… and asshole of an asp at their bosom. Via Marc Ambinder

I’m not sure how influential Rev. Al Sharpton is these days, but he told his radio audience this afternoon that he opposes card check because a non-secret-ballot process could potentially create undue pressures for minority workers in majority-white work environments, and it could foist contracts on them that they would not otherwise support.

44. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Who gets shitfaced drunk with the head of a foreign intelligence agency in a country where the biggest terrorist attack in the history of your own country was at least partly planned?

Bandar Bush. Every one elws a prince in the same family… Longest serving diplo (Bandar) in DC iirc. Hardly someone, or his extended sibling princes, they were SMART enough to be leery of… Besides US interests have serviced the non Wahabi needs fo the Saudis for a long long time.

These are not brilliant people (Tenet), these are players, just because they are on the field. Not too much more.

45. catnip - 17 December 2008
46. marisacat - 17 December 2008

45

make them stop. What a room full of freaks.

47. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

37
Israeli Propoganda is at full tilt, now,. In the Instance of the book and Tenets allegedly boosy screed, it clearly is to discredit the book, whose synopsis on Amazon at least leads with the truth about our Zionist centrict pose. Other than Amazon a google revealed some link to “Jihad Watch” as “a review”. LOL.The Atlantic blubber is by Jeffrey Fuckin Goldberg, hot and heavy with Tenet, Bandar, and the Scotch,- hold the Neocons on the rocks.

Also another piece today about the feds seizing a building in New York “with ties to an Iran”….
Somebody’s looking to get their money out quick then butt in line for Financial Terror Reimbursement Funds…

Oooooo: Fox

Federal authorities moved in Wednesday to seize control of a New York City office building partially owned by a company with ties to the Iranian government.

The move by officials at the Treasury and Justice Departments is designed to stop the flow of funds they say are used to help Iran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons.

The office tower, located on New York’s famed Fifth Avenue, was built by an Iranian non-profit group in the 1970s. Over the years the ownership of the building has evolved into what federal officials say is an attempt to hide the stake held by an Iranian state-owned bank.

48. mattes - 17 December 2008

HHM, good catch on alcohol, but I always thought that the Royals were exempt from Wahabism.

Interesting take from Dick Morris and Caroline Glick, I happen to agree:

United States, Israel on Collision Course
by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
12/17/2008

With the election of Obama, the United States has moved dramatically to the left in its foreign policy at just the time that Israel, which seems likely to return Bibi Netanyahu to office in early February, is moving to the right. A collision is almost inevitable.

Caroline Glick, the highly astute conservative columnist for the Jerusalem Post, writes that the “international community” believes that Obama “will move quickly to place massive pressure on the next Israeli government to withdraw from Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in the interests of advancing a ‘peace process’ with the Palestinians and the Syrians.”

She notes that “people who have been in close contact with Obama’s foreign policy transition team have privately acknowledged that the widespread belief that Obama will move swiftly to put the screws on Israel is fully justified. According to one source who has spent a great deal of time with the transition team since last month’s U.S. elections, Obama’s people are ‘scope-locked’ on Israel.”

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29963

One of the comments from site:

The fact that American Jews vote Democrat at all just reinforces my belief that the American electorate is incomprehensibly politically ignorant. Hopefully, Netanyahu will do what always needed to be done—ruthlessly defeat the Islamic plague that threatens Israel. He had better be prepared to do it, since it is certain that Obama will not.

But Israel is getting the squeezed from multiple places, finally:

Austrian president in W. Bank: Settlement construction must stop

Austrian President Heinz Fischer said Wednesday that Israeli construction in the West Bank must stop.

Fischer was speaking at a press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

“We demand that the settlement expansion stop,” he said, adding that settlements distance the opportunities for a just and comprehensive peace.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown made similar comments this week.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1047566.html

And yet Netenyahu says he will refuse to implement any peace agreements if he gets in office, and Barak still playing the fear card:

Barak: Iran could attack U.S. with nuclear bomb

Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned Wednesday that if Iran acquires a nuclear weapon, it could try to attack the United States.

“If it built even a primitive nuclear weapon like the type that destroyed Hiroshima, Iran would not hesitate to load it on a ship, arm it with a detonator operated by GPS and sail it into a vital port on the east coast of North America,” Barak told the audience.

Indicating the possibility of a military strike, Barak said, “We are not taking any option off the table, and we recommend to the world not to take any option off the table, and we mean what we say.”

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1047586.html

Frankly if there is another US bombing, I’d be looking in Tel Aviv.

49. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Other than Amazon a google revealed some link to “Jihad Watch” as “a review”. LOL.The Atlantic blubber is by Jeffrey Fuckin Goldberg, hot and heavy with Tenet, Bandar, and the Scotch,- hold the Neocons on the rocks.

Not sure I follow. Are you saying the neocons want to discredit Tyler’s book (which isn’t out yet) by amplifying one passage out of context?

Tenet’s drunken testimony in Bandar’s pool about neocon influence doesn’t really have that much influence. Drunken, sloppy people usually want to please people around them.

Hey Bandar. I fucking love you man. You’re right about the goddamn Jews. Pass the Scotch. Hey, got any good Eastern European hookers on the menu tonight. Ha. Ha. That 9/11 thing was a gas, wasn’t it?

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Dick Morris is a moron.

51. marisacat - 17 December 2008

We are so fixated on Iran and Cuba. And in the reverse, Israel.

What a fucking nutter nation.

52. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Barak: Iran could attack U.S. with nuclear bomb

OOOO I’m a scared of the big bad Iranians.

Iran would not hesitate to load it on a ship, arm it with a detonator operated by GPS

GPS? What. Don’t they have suicide sailers?

“We are not taking any option off the table, and we recommend to the world not to take any option off the table, and we mean what we say.”

Reality. Oil is under 50 dollars a barrel. The Iranian economy is going to start screaming. There was never a better time to do what Obama got slammed for in the primaries saying he’d do and sit down with the Mullahs. Cheap oil means mullah arms can be twisted quite easily.

Frankly if there is another US bombing, I’d be looking in Tel Aviv.

Nah. Barak is just getting nervous that the cheap oil means the Iranians will be getting less aggressive and more open to negotiations. He’s getting scared that he won’t get his war so he’s bleating desperately.

53. marisacat - 17 December 2008

There is NO ONE around Obama that supports any observer, least of all Dick DumbDick Morris, making this observation:

She notes that “people who have been in close contact with Obama’s foreign policy transition team have privately acknowledged that the widespread belief that Obama will move swiftly to put the screws on Israel is fully justified.

54. mattes - 17 December 2008

Maybe Goldberg just wants to get publicity and get out ahead of the story. Don’t know.

55. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

The neocons want to discredit Tyler’s book (which isn’t out yet) by amplifying one passage out of context. Thats what I said isn’t it?
hair Club, You don’t have to be so long winded and redundant,saying over and over again what….LOL. Sorry. 😳

56. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

Frankly if there is another US bombing, I’d be looking in Tel Aviv. Or Brooklyn.

57. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

Thats what I said isn’t it?

Just confirming. But what exactly would George Tenet (who doesn’t have much credibility anyway) coming out with some accusation about neocons influencing the invasion of Iraq do?

Even Thomas Ricks (the David Petreus shill who wrote “Fiasco”) wrote about the clean break plan and the connections between the neocons and Likud in great detail.

The problem isn’t information. It’s lack of outrage. While everybody’s micromanaging Obama’s cabinet choices and wondering about Blagoevich selling a senate seat, Dick Cheney just admitted he was a war criminal on national TV and I haven’t seen a single protest over it.

You seem to be right about Dave in Queens, btw.

I don’t know if it really is Danby but as of now I’m not going to believe anything Dave outs or any banning Jack does unless I’m drunk in a pool somewhere in Saudi Arabia.

58. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Dick Cheney just admitted he was a war criminal on national TV and I haven’t seen a single protest over it.

Well in my case:

1 It’s happened. Past tense.

2. The Dems were and are and WILL CONTINUE to be fully complicit. Blame is a frosting on the bi partisan cake they all baked.

3 Obster and his will do shit. I love all the little prattles that drip out the leaky faucet….talk of a “truth commission” or an independent panel to at least ”figure out what happened”.

So cute.

Bedtime stories for bozos.

59. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

It’s happened. Past tense.

As far as I know, people are still being tortured in CIA prisons all over the world.

The Dems were and are and WILL CONTINUE to be fully complicit.

Yeah. The Democrats are a bit like Squeaky Fromm. But shouldn’t we go after Manson too?

Obster and his will do shit.

Does anybody remember who the President of Spain was or the President of Germany was when they grabbed Pinochet in Europe? I can’t. But I do remember the name of the judge who had him arrested. I the end, Obama’s not particularly relevent as far as nailing Cheney goes. Clinton shut down the Iran Contra investigation. Obama will do similar. Cheney needs to do some time before he has his sixth heart attack.

60. marisacat - 17 December 2008

As far as I know, people are still being tortured in CIA prisons all over the world.

I DID NOT SAY IT ENDED. And I have repeatedly stated that the ICRC has never once stated that the torture is past tense.

Instituting it and codifying it is past tense. And as I said jsut a few days ago, gettting upset and fake liberal over [narrow focus] torture is a waste unless one address rendition, third party torture, School for the Americas and the US PRISON SYSTEM.

What about what I write do you miss?

Cheney needs to do some time before he has his sixth heart attack.

Well I suggest you hold your breath in protest that it happen.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

funny thing about the law … it only counts if it is enforced. As much as we like to chant about the “rule of law” in this country, our history reveals that we don’t mean it, going back to the treaties we signed with the First Nations going forward.

Our system of “laws” are every bit as arbitrary and meaningless as any royal system, and given our abandonment of habeas and other standards only reveal the depths of our hypocrisy, not anything new. This nation has committed human rights violations and protected state-sponsored war criminals going back to our founding, and reveals us to be a bunch of pathetic, lying, self-deluded hypocrites. Hell, we have a genocidal murderer on the front of our $20 bill … what more bold-faced example of our hypocrisy do you need?

Cheney is no worse, nor anything remotely like an aberation, from Jackson or Washington or … well, the list goes on. We’ve allowed the South, fer xrist’s sake, to fully take control of what passes for American culture …we are liars and criminals, and I can’t believe that the world doesn’t wall us off and scorn us.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2008

Cheney and Bush should be in the dock at the Hague, but so should Pelosi and Rockefeller and all the donk lawmakers who were BRIEFED and did nothing … they are war criminals too.

We are either animals, or we’re not … and it’s quite clear that we are animals.

You pick these silly fights Hair w/ people who have been railing against these crimes for months/years … why are you here? What is the point of your chiding and bullshit ranting?

I don’t get it?

63. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

Meanwhile sitting in the cafe, guests perused newspapers and books, chatting about matters of the day…One couldn’t help but noticing tho- that now familiar New Yorker, from Queens, out in the streets. Buck naked in the snow stood he, save his wide open trench coat , laboring to press himself up against windows of the lesser establishments nearby…

Uh boy.

an independent source verified the name,

I can give MajorFlaw’s real name but am holding off for now and perhaps forever depending on the next few days. If you don’t think I know, you are a skinny guy, a little under 6 feet tall, and have blonde hair. That’s enough info for you to know I know and not enough info for anyone else to find out….

Typical Aryan Profiling. LOL.

Earlier..

{Re Schumer Weiner retainer, well OOPS!
(with a little envy thrown in)….} ::

I also owe an apology to Congressman Weiner, Mark Green, and Senator Schumer. Again I screwed up and wrongly included you when you were not the person.

To the superb person I wrongly named, again I apologize. You have a stellar reputation and deservedly so and I envy that.

64. BooHooHooMan - 17 December 2008

Not so fast on the Irrelevancy pass.

In the end, Obama’s not particularly relevent as far as nailing Cheney goes.

Well, by the triffles of Law and holding him to his word , he is.

yeh, any one of the Branches could have intervened or could act now…But the “Cut to Irrelevancy” is more of a Prospective Political Read. Not a Legal or Moral Pass. He IS relevant as they all are in their complicity. So Let the pelting with rocks and garbage begin.
ANEW.

65. catnip - 17 December 2008

48.

With the election of Obama, the United States has moved dramatically to the left in its foreign policy…

Are they talking about Barack Obama? The skinny guy who was just elected as US prez?

I guess “dramatically to the left” these days means (very) slightly to the left of Lieberman?

66. catnip - 17 December 2008

63. You have a stellar reputation and deservedly so and I envy that.

Shorter Dave: Please PLEASE don’t sue me! PLEASE?!

67. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2008

And as I said jsut a few days ago, gettting upset and fake liberal over [narrow focus] torture is a waste unless one address rendition, third party torture, School for the Americas and the US PRISON SYSTEM.

There are symbolic gestures and there are deeper structural problems.

Obama’s having Rick Warren say a prayer at his inauguration is a symbolic gesture, an important one, as you point out, because it sends a message to the Christian right that he’s their man.

Not taxing the churches, faith based pork in government, and our policy towards reproductive rights abroad are deeper structural issues.

Similarly, as you once again point out correctly, there are very deep structural and (as Madman points out) even deeper historical issues at play when it comes to the issue of torture.

But, it seemed to me, and maybe I’m wrong about this, but it seemed to me that Cheney was escalating the cultural/spiritual war against the American people that he and Bush started after 9/11. He was flipping us all the middle finger and saying “here’s what I just did and none of you suckers can do a thing about it. Fuck you all.”

It was a bit like watching a serial killer show off all his trophies on TV, then walk out of the studio and go back home to his dungeon.

why are you here?

I don’t know. I guess you just put me in the mood to talk about Dick Cheney 🙂

68. marisacat - 17 December 2008

But, it seemed to me, and maybe I’m wrong about this, but it seemed to me that Cheney was escalating the cultural/spiritual war against the American people that he and Bush started after 9/11. He was flipping us all the middle finger and saying “here’s what I just did and none of you suckers can do a thing about it. Fuck you all.”

And when has he not done that? Or Bush, with his recent “So what” remarking on AQ NOW in Iraq, post invasion, as a co occupier of Iraq.

Get in the mood for the multicultural middle finger from Bi Racial Man.

It’s a continuum.

69. catnip - 17 December 2008

Obama makes amends: Obama Selects Gay and Lesbian Marching Band!

lol

I see kos is now accepting ads for the Aerospace Industries Association – a proud supplier of military aircraft.

70. marisacat - 17 December 2008

Reminds me of the morning I was blearily making coffee in teh kitchen, with CNN on the TV there… first a voice over for Boeing Industries.. by Phylicia Rashad… then an ad for “the oil and natural gas industries” with voice over by Ruby Dee.

Geesh. Not like they need it for milk money.

71. marisacat - 18 December 2008

nu post..

LINK

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