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Who’s in charge… who do you think? 18 December 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, 2010 Mid Terms, Afghanistan War, AFRICOM, Border Issues, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Pakistan, WAR!.
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Gens. Ray Odierno and David H. Petraeus, right, at a ceremony in September in Baghdad, wrote a plan for Iraq. Adm. Mike Mullen, left, helped describe the plan to the president-elect Monday. [Max Becherer for The New York Times]

Life’s too short… I’m not betting on Ob in this…

Do you love the tailored slip covers for the military campaign furniture?  For the He-Men?

Hug hug, back pat back pat, bang bang…

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Chicago Charter Schools Face Criticism

On Tuesday, when President-Elect Obama announced that Chicago Public Schools CEO Arne Duncan was being nominated as Education Secretary, one of the many praises Obama lavished on Duncan was that he “championed good charter schools, even when it was controversial.” It appears that charter schools are still controversial, as a group of teachers, parents, and students turned out at a Chicago Board of Education meeting yesterday to express their disappointment with the charter school program and how they are “destroying neighborhood schools.”

Gee, I thought he was a miracle worker who even the union loved?

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008
3. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Moving mattes’ comment forward:

As some of you know I read a lot of Jewish newspapers trying to keep up with the latest I/P news.

Madoff news non-stop, what’s a little business between friends:

“What I hope happens is people become more careful,” said Rabbi Daniel Allen, CEO of the American Friends of Magen David Adom. “For instance, how is it that Y.U. lost $100 million, and the person who invested the money was an officer of the board? I think that’s called conflict of interest.”

Y.U. has already announced that it will re-examine its conflict-of-interest policies.

Madoff hurt the –less well off—they have to sell their second home, on Long Island:

In addition to wealthy clients, Madoff lured in more modest investors. Starting 32 years ago, on the advice of their accountant, Joan and Arnold Sinkin of Boynton Beach, Fla., began investing with Madoff. After they finished putting their kids through college, the Sinkins began to steadily add to their stake with Madoff, a few thousand dollars at a time, until he controlled most of their life savings.

“We were really what you call middle class,” said retired physical therapist Joan Sinkin, 75, in an interview with the Forward. “I felt lucky to be with them.”

Now, their savings are almost entirely gone, and they may be forced to sell their condo on Long Island. Yet even now, reflecting on her talks with Madoff, Joan Sinkin can’t quite believe what has happened.

http://www.forward.com/articles/14757/

4. marisacat - 18 December 2008

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I think he will turn out to be unquestionably bad. They play basket ball together… Duncan inherited the job at CPS from Vallas, who went to NO and destroyed what little was left. Big hype… and was simply neglectful, dishonest and destructive. I dragged myself thru 15 or so long segments on education, over 2 years at TNH… and they covered NO heavily.

Duncan’s CV is really not much of anything. corporate. Ass kisser.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Over at Truthout, Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III wants lefties to shut their fucking pie holes:

Ask not what a President Barack Obama will do for you; ask what you can do to help President Barack Obama address the tremendous issues that this country is facing.

6. mattes - 18 December 2008

Speaking of anti-war movement, does anyone remember a march to Ammunition Depot Indian Island Port Hadlock, Washington?

Several people purposely got arrested. I went up there with a couple friends. It was very well organized. But of course not much press.

7. marisacat - 18 December 2008

5

He seems to be part of the chorus.

Threre was a really interesting interview on TNH today, waiting for the damned transcript, on Warren… and how it,, picking him, supports people who supported Ob.

🙄

8. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Madman

IB answered a comment of yours in the preceding thread…

https://marisacat.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/blown/#comment-177007

9. mattes - 18 December 2008

Oh, great bloodbrothers unite:

Eckstein: Christian supporters are ready to fill philanthropic void

In light of the global economic crisis and the far-reaching consequences of the Madoff investment scam, it is time for Jews to accept the support of the Christian community, which is willing to fill the void in the troubled Jewish philanthropic world, Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday.

Eckstein is founder and president of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, which raises more than $90 million a year.

“This situation is a real tragedy for Israeli and Jewish life worldwide,” Eckstein told the Post, adding that even before news of Bernard Madoff’s Ponzi investment scheme and its impact on Jewish donors, foundations and organizations hit the headlines last week, the Jewish nonprofit world had already suffered a severe blow.

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

so, my diabolical weather map did it’s magic! Thanks for the heads-up Mcat!

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

The First Lady Of Star Trek Passes Away

Majel Barrett Roddenberry, the most ubiquitous actor in Star Trek, died today at age 76. The wife of Trek creator Gene Roddenberry, she also provided the computer voices on every version of Trek. And she played three pivotal characters: Number One in the pilot, Nurse Chapel in the original series, and Lwaxana Troi in TNG and DS9. She was providing the computer voices for the new Trek movie, and it’s not clear if she had finished recording them.

12. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Rahm… wanted to install a place holder in his congressional seat, so he could reclaim it later. Apparently the Blago blow up quashed the plans.

LINK to Lynn Sweet

13. Intermittent Bystander - 18 December 2008

I’m seriously thinking of posting my winter solstice setlist at FSZ, after much (as in gremlin-level) audio recording and playback mayhem over the last couple of days. What the hell..

Anyone who might actually receive a physical copy of this in real life, please do me a favor and thank me in person only.

Winter 2008 – Mixed Precipitation
1. The Duhks, I See You
2. Malinky, The False Lover Won Back
3. Crooked Still, Ain’t No Grave
4. Justin Townes Earle, South Georgia Sugar Babe
5. Teddy Thompson, Can’t Sing Straight
6. Susan McKeown, The Snows They Melt the Soonest
7. Solas, Seven Curses
8. The Duhks, Mighty Storm
9. Old Blind Dogs, Bedlam Boys
10. Kasey Chambers and Shane Nicholson, Monkey on a Wire
11. Crooked Still, Ecstasy
12. Winifred Horan and Mick McAuley, Daisy in December
13. Malinky, Billy Taylor
14. Crooked Still, Can’t You Hear Me Callin’
15. The Duhks, 95 South
16. Kasey Chambers and Shane Nicholson, Sleeping Cold
17. Susan McKeown, Slan agus Beannacht (Goodbye and Farewell)
18. Justin Townes Earle, Lone Pine Hill
19. Malinky, The Sound of a Tear Not Cried
20. Crooked Still, Wind and the Rain
21. Solas with the Duhks, Merry Go Round

Google artist or title if you care!

14. Intermittent Bystander - 18 December 2008

Man-hugs in camouflage only! Got it?

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

IB, did you see that Davy Graham passed away?

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Bageant:

But Obama says, “It takes smart people with experience who know how to operate our system.” In other words, slick educated people. No problem there. After eight years of observing an absolutely falling down stupid administration, not to mention one as mean as a rattlesnake on a griddle, most of us would agree that it takes smart people. But we are a bit hesitant about loading the system with “slick operators.” There is also the fact that the system IS the problem. Right now though, we’re being shouted down by giddy mobs of optimistic liberals intoxicated on an election victory and pure hope. And after eight years of stupidity and cruelty, who can blame them?

Meanwhile, fresh hundreds of billions are being pumped into the same old coffers, the pockets of those who now confess to Congress they screwed up the economy. But if we give them billions more, trillions more actually — which we haven’t even got and really haven’t had for a long time — they will fix what they screwed up. None of them have said how. And Obama has answered, “OK then. And when I take office I crank it up higher.” That’s the trouble with having operators on both sides of the national game. They seem to under stand each other and cooperate in the end, even when it looks like they are in opposition.

snip

Despite all that, Obama’s folly will be the opposite of President Sparky’s, a love of intelligence and mistaking institutionalized corrupt slickness for smarts. But in many ways we must forgive Mr. Obama. What else can he do? The operators in the back room own the only game in town, and are hollering for more cognac and poker chips. And Obama’s job is to keep the American public believing the American people are in charge of the game, and the rest of the world believing the national stake horse is not dead broke, and that it can somehow pay off its massive IOUs to the international house.

Socialism looks better every day.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Turley: Obama Nominates LaHood Despite Past Controversies in Congress

I represented the democratic staffer on the House Intelligence Committee, Larry Hanauer, who was savagely and unjustly attacked by LaHood. LaHood’s attacks — found to be baseless — led to threats against Hanauer and his family.

Honestly, when I was first told yesterday that LaHood would be nominated, I thought it was a joke. For those who are disgusted with Washington, LaHood personifies the practices that have given Congress the lowest approval ratings in history.

While liberals are reluctant to admit it, Obama’s cabinet is far more of an insider and establishment group than Bush’s cabinet. Bush actually picked a number of people from outside Washington. Obama’s “change” appears to be switching out the red team for the blue team — giving power to the same party leaders who have been ridiculed by voters for years for their failure to confront Bush on issues like torture, unlawful surveillance, and are cited for the very same abuses of earmarks as Republicans.

Then there is LaHood. LaHood gleefully carried out the wishes of the Bush Administration on the House Intelligence Committee, which virtually shutdown any oversight of the unlawful programs. Even by congressional standards, he was a thuggish partisan who painted democrats and liberals as insufficiently patriotic or a danger to national security.

18. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2008

In my view, if considering Americans, then Cindy, Medea, David Swanson, Kokesh and Yearwood would all be up for a Nobel.

Unfortunately, whether in the ME or Ireland, anything likely to prompt oppressor’s withdrawal almost always has to come from Chemists.

19. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2008

Chi SunTimes: Rahm wanted placeholder for his seat.

I get the feeling Rahm won’t be headed to the West Wing afterall…
“Really loved the Congress anyways” plopped on top of a big scoop of Not wanting “Silly Season” Distraction slobber “to get in the way”

whoever this guy is, though, in CST’s comments,

Tommy Jong better lay off the bong…

tommy jonq
on December 18, 2008 10:02 AM

once again, obama demonstrates his preternatural political genius. blago: gone. jackson junior: gone. the last shred of rahmbo’s political independence: gone. now he, like godzillary and holder and summers and everyone else, owes his entire existence to the warm, snuggly embrace of emperor facebook’s velvet crowbar. the elections over, and bam-o’s biggest scandal will be behind him before the inauguration. who dares oppose him now? ahmadenijad? putin? daley? lieberman uber alles!

Okay, Tommy.

20. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Sorry for the delay Madman… the screen froze and i had to reboot.

You are out of Moderation now…………….. 8)

21. marisacat - 18 December 2008

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Sun Times has picked up an article in LaHood’s home district… whcih I guess is Peoria. Seems he glommed onto, or Ob to him, early on. Soon after Ob hit the senate. Lahood had him come into the Peoria district early on.

Will find the article again.

22. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Here it is:

Ray LaHood, Obama’s favorite Republican to be Transportation Secretary

Lynn Sweet
on December 17, 2008 1:51 PM | Permalink | Comments (4)

Updated Wednesday 7:25 central time

WASHINGTON–Hat tip to the Peoria Journal Star, reporting Wednesday that Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), who worked closely in Congress with President elect Barack Obama, will be named Transportation Secretary.

LaHood has long been one of the Republicans closest to Obama and invited him to Peoria early in Obama’s tenure as a freshman Illinois senator. LaHood did not run for re-election and is winding up his House career. He brings experience in transportation issues as a former Transportation Committee member. Currently, he serves on the powerful House Appropriations Committee.

Of no small matter, LaHood is on friendly terms with Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), Obama’s incoming chief of staff. [..squish….ew….goes for a shower…]

Where’s the change!

23. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2008

Oh LOL.Thoroughly punk’d here. That guy on CST is a snarker. LOL. writes some really funny and good stuff politically on his page.
He’s pushing a book – hey why not –

but has more than a few gems–

representative emanuel “with democrats like these, who needs condoleeza?” cleaver today warned that a victory for barack

“Rahm Cleaver” amidst blago. Priceless, the chopped off finger, the allusion to innocence…

He deploys a phrase, “With democrats like these who needs___” quite well…

24. Intermittent Bystander - 18 December 2008

Madman at 15- No, didn’t know. Thanks for that, watching now. Looks like a little like a skinny Clinton in the first one!

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Lahood is a nasty, nasty man.

IB – he really was an amazing guitarist. I think people forget.

26. marisacat - 18 December 2008

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ugh I don’t buy Bageant’s take. I DON’T think Bush was or is stupid. He is a poorly socialised American. Used to his own way, used to cover-ups. But in office, no one can convince me that he did nto accomplish The Work of The State. On his turn.

Do I also think (as Suskind has said he directly called and spoke to the “strongest” of the interrogators) that Bush took liberties, personal liberities of choice? I do. I long ago said I thought he regularly gets fresh film from the battle space. I woould almost stake money he has tapes frm Huntsville prison. From the death house.

But so too is Obster. His job is to ply the other half of the electorate, advance under another face…

He is the mopper upper. They too come onto the battle space.

So no I don’t have to call Bushiter stupid nor do I have to forgive Ob his game of “intelligence”. I wish Bageant could go that extra small distance.

Because it removes this game of ”aw shucks” or ”forgiveness” or ”best we can do” or ”lesser of two evils”. And so on.

27. marisacat - 18 December 2008

23

Mrs Obster has called her childhood family The Cleavers.

Well I guess if Mr Cleaver was a precinct captain under Daley, then sure. Or if one of the little Cleavers still sat on Papa’s lap when in his or her 20s. And 5’11”… A man with MS for 30 + years.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2008

Oh, I think Bush knew what he was doing too.

29. mattes - 18 December 2008

IB, thanks for the play list. I feel so out of touch with current music. Loved the vocals—Duhks

#16 MM

Guilty as charged. But I’m staying fairly quiet about it.

giddy mobs of optimistic liberals intoxicated on an election victory and pure hope. And after eight years of stupidity and cruelty, who can blame them?

#19 BHHM….”Tommy Jong better lay off the bong…”, I only wish I had such an excuse….

30. marisacat - 18 December 2008

I get the feeling Rahm won’t be headed to the West Wing afterall…

I sure hope…

31. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2008

oh fuck LOL, that link to the CST article

led to this guy

..I’m LOL surfing around in there, trying my best to avoid the floating blow-up dolls….

refered to
Chelsea Clinton as: .. the Thing That Cannot Be Interviewed
Holder as : eric “bill made me assistant attorney general. barry made me attorney general. you figure it out” holder
MoDo as:… maureen “without hillary to kick around, i’m just phyllis diller with a worse face lift” dowd.
american “president” george “if the shoe fits, wear it” bush

LOL:

The Thing That Works On Wall Street lobbied new york governor david “that’s about as funny as the italian army” paterson to appoint caroline “why would the class of the kennedy clan want to get into the bottomless cesspool of politics, anyway? oh, yeah. vanity” kennedy to fill godzillary’s empty senate seat

32. marisacat - 18 December 2008

I caught ob slipping in “new crops” to one of his intro speeches this week. Yesiree. Vilsack shills for Monsanto

While Vilsack has worked to restrain livestock monopolies, his overall record is one of aiding and abetting Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs, also known as factory farms). Vilsack’s support for unsustainable industrial ethanol production has already caused global corn and grain prices to skyrocket, literally taking food off the table for a billion people in the developing world.

Over the past month, Organic Consumers Association members have sent over 20,000 emails to President-Elect Obama’s Transition Team, calling for the appointment of a Secretary of Agriculture who would develop and implement a plan that promotes family-scale farming, a safe and nutritious food system, and a sustainable and organic vision for the future.

“Obama’s choice for Secretary of Agriculture points to the continuation of agribusiness as usual, the failed policies of chemical- and energy-intensive, genetically engineered industrial agriculture,” said Cummins. […]

· Vilsack has been a strong supporter of genetically engineered pharmaceutical crops, especially pharmaceutical corn.

· The biggest biotechnology industry group, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, named Vilsack Governor of the Year. He is also the founder and former chair of the Governor’s Biotechnology Partnership.

· When Vilsack created the Iowa Values Fund, his first poster child for economic development was Trans Ova and their pursuit of cloning dairy cows.

· The undemocratic 2005 seed pre-emption bill was the Vilsack’s brainchild. The law strips local government’s right to regulate genetically engineered seed.

· Vilsack is an ardent supporter of corn and soy based biofuels, which use as much or more energy to produce as they generate and drive up world food prices, literally starving the poor.

WTC?

33. marisacat - 18 December 2008

LOL you have to laugh… it’s not worth crying.

After an inspiring campaign that involved literally hundreds of people in the biggest education organizing effort in the area in decades, we forced Duncan to come up to our neighborhood to listen to our case for keeping the military out of our school. More than 300 of us–parents, teachers, and community supporters–held a big meeting in a local church and, at the end of the meeting, we asked Duncan to postpone the decision to put the military school at Senn.

Duncan’s answer was a classic. He said: “I come from a Quaker family, and I’ve always been against war. But I’m going to put the Naval Academy in there, because it will give people in the community more choices.”

The exchange showed that when push came to shove, Duncan was always a loyal henchman of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley’s political machine–albeit with a style that made it seem like he was listening. He’s just the kind of person who will look at you with a straight face and tell you that, as a person with a pacifist background, he supports a military school.

Never mind that the community was fighting as hard as it could against this backroom deal between Daley and the Department of Defense–according to Duncan, the Naval Academy would give the community “more choices.” Indeed, CPS has more military high schools than any other school district in the U.S.

Despite all this, Duncan is being portrayed in the national media as a school administrator who had a “good” relationship with the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU). ..squish…

34. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2008

this made me Howl. LOL.

Mrs Obster has called her childhood family The Cleavers.

Well I guess if Mr Cleaver was a precinct captain under Daley, then sure. Or if one of the little Cleavers still sat on Papa’s lap when in his or her 20s. And 5′11”… A man with MS for 30 + years.

Jesus. Jack Nicholson DID break into Mcat’s house.
Fucker’s at her keyboard now..LOL

…sat on Papa’s lap when in his or her 20s. And 5′11”…
A man with MS for 30 + years.

LOL.Well, The story can be modified as Seasons warrant.
Papa the bestess emMesS Christmas Santa in all of Chicago,
15 Thousand Kids a Day…very little pinched from the bucket…

35. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Nouriel has one up at Forbes:

The Fed decision to cut the Fed Funds range to 0%-0.25% has formalized the fact that, over the last month, the Fed had already moved to a zero-interest-rate policy, or ZIRP, and started a policy of quantitative easing (QE) as its balance sheet has surged over the last few months from $800 billion to over $2 trillion.

The Fed is now undertaking even more unorthodox policy actions. These actions are occurring while the U.S. and the global economy are at risk of a protracted bout of “stag-deflation” (stagnation and deflation). […]

36. Intermittent Bystander - 18 December 2008

No claims to be in touch with major currency here, but most of the recordings are fresh or recent-ish.

🙂

So glad you enjoyed a tune or two, mattes.

37. marisacat - 18 December 2008

very little pinched from the bucket…

…and I especially loved it when Obster amplified the family stories [got up early to painfully dress, used a cane, on and on] and had him going to work using a walker. As a precinct captain for old man Daley. uh huh…

You have to search and a lot of interesting voices about the ”early lives” were dried up and blown away around late 2007, but tidbits are out there.

38. marisacat - 18 December 2008

a little more nouriel in the night [link at #35]:

The outlook for the U.S. and the global economy is now very bleak and getting worse as the global economy experiences its worst recession in decades. In the U.S., recession started last December and will last at least 24 months until next December–the longest and deepest U.S. recession since World War II, with the cumulative fall in gross domestic product possibly exceeding 5%.

[…] as a next step, the Fed may be soon forced to walk down the credit curve and start buying private short-term and long-term securities with lower credit ratings. That would mean the Fed will take on even more credit risk than it is already taking on today while purchasing illiquid private assets. But desperate times lead to desperate actions by desperate policy makers.

39. catnip - 18 December 2008

35. What is the sound of one depression looming?

ZIRP

And because this was stuck in spamalot in the last thread, I’ll post the link again: hilarious. Very clever. 🙂

40. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

From the last thread:

BooHooHooMan
*42 bump- a -dump -a- dump
Not into it.
Jesus Fuckin Christ Hair Club. You still think RON PAUL was an Anti War Voice.

Yes. But I think the fact that he emerged as the strongest anti-war voice in the Fall of 2007 said more about the weakness of the anti-war movement than it did about Ron Paul.

The Democrats made a very delibrate effort to squelch the anti-war movement in 2006/2007 and a lot of anti-war people by default went into his campaign.

I don’t think the anti-war movement even at it’s height had much ideological consistency anyway. In the Fall of 2005, I would meet middle aged guys in pony tails with Che shirts who would say things like “well. What we really need to do is bring back the draft.”

I think the unifying factor in the anti-war movement in 2002 and 2003, in those huge rallies, was the desire to show some sort of opposition to the “united we stand” consensus that Bush was claiming after 9/11. It wasn’t really an anti-war movement. It was the remnent of the anti-globalization movement dovetailing into a generalized anti-Bush movement.

Paul’s strength, once again, whatever his many faults, was that he was able to frame an anti-war argument in terms a lot of people in middle America could understand. A lot of his supporters are right wing racist nutcases but they’re right wing racist nutcases who really don’t want to send their kids to die in the Middle East and bankrupt the country doing it.

Note. Leslie Cagan from UFPJ (a terrible leader) has stepped down. The Communist Party USA (the group behind UFPJ) is a horrible organization that’s to the right of a lot of Democrats. International Answer is almost as bad. Try “stepping out of line” or outside of a police barricade at one of their rallies or asking the wrong questions at one of their meetings and see what happens. Code Pink is OK but they’re not going to mobilize large numbers of people, same with Iraq Veterans Against the War.

When I see someone blame Obama for the end of the anti-Iraq-war movement, what I really see is someone who hasn’t really examined the leadership of the anti-war movement. Obama is by no definition an anti-war politician but his movement stepped into a vaccuum that already existed. They didn’t create the vaccuum or siphon people away from a movement.

41. catnip - 18 December 2008

kos forgot to add “Send money now!”

I suspect he’s preparing his exit strategy from the political internets.

42. marisacat - 18 December 2008

The Democrats made a very delibrate effort to squelch the anti-war movement in 2006/2007 and a lot of anti-war people by default went into his campaign.

The NYT was happy to detail the buy outs, sell outs, cash and amounts handed over and to whom. Spring, iirc April of 2006. I think it was not as late as 2007.

43. catnip - 18 December 2008

Monsieur Hair,

Can you post a one sentence summary at the beginning of your posts for herbs like me who are really tired?

44. catnip - 18 December 2008

Warren: “I have gay friends.”

Me: “Fuck you too, asshole.”

45. catnip - 18 December 2008

I get cranky when I’m tired. Sue me.

Is that guy on the left in that pic pitching a tent or is he pregnant?

46. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

The NYT was happy to detail the buy outs, sell outs, cash and amounts handed over and to whom. Spring, iirc April of 2006. I think it was not as late as 2007.

And when you saw Cindy Sheehan starting to use right wing libertarian anti-war talking points in the beginning of 2007 (the stated reason for kicking her off the Daily Kos), you realized that was mainly because the Democrats had ditched her over the side and Ron Paul was really the only game in town.

But there was also the issue that people had tried the huge top down anti-war marches and they simply got frustrated with them. They served their purpose (helping people to find some sort of community that wasn’t baying for blood after 9/11) but they didn’t develop beyond that.

Obama’s campaign, however much you may dislike Obama, was far, far, far less top down and cumbersome than International Answer or UPFJ. So combine the fact that people were already frustrated with marching behind police barricades in demonstrations organized by 70 year old Stalinists with the very innovative and skillful way Obama’s people mobilized large numbers of people, and it’s easy to see why he was able to draw so many people off.

47. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

Can you post a one sentence summary at the beginning of your posts for herbs like me who are really tired?

2006 Fall. Missuh Anti-War movment. He dead.

48. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Well you know how it goes. A year later and the “surge succeeded beyond our wildest dreams” and scrubs his site clean of earlier statements about the surge.

So bottom up. Like the boards set up for people to take issue with the FISA somersault.

He and his white managers laughed hard at that.

Soon they will have them making quilts at the house parties.

Look, the Democratic faithful and others leaning Democratic have been restless, directionless and cut off for years. Elections aren’t resolved, they run dullards and creeps like Kerry, they lecture people, they announce that any investifation of Bush is off the table.. and they fund the wars.

Neither the Dems NOR the R want millions with out a fixation. A Jesus devotional packet.

God forbid they, those teeming millions, do something real. Ob worked. he drew it off. What he did not, HillGirl did. As well the PR of the surge did as it was planned to do, it separated the so called anti war (because it gets very marginal what they really oppose or support) from everyone else. the idea of the surge sold well.

After quilting at the parties come monthly craft assignements. They will study the text messages for the assignments…. Send in the finished product for a grade. They will work like little beavers.

49. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

Re Maddoff

A lot of the political causes affected by his arrest seem to have been progressive ones. If you go to this wednesday Democracy Now and read between the lines the message you get from Amy Goodman is “oh shit. Lots of friends losing their jobs.”

The Mark Rich (yes THAT Mark Rich) Foundation, btw, gave money to The Nation and the Nation Institute funded one of the better books about the Israeli settlers.

http://tinyurl.com/3me978

50. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

Look, the Democratic faithful and others leaning Democratic have been restless, directionless and cut off for years.

I read David Sirota’s book “Uprising” and Sirota has a long section about the “protest industry.”

When I was reading it I realized it wasn’t very good but I also realized it was one of the ONLY honest attempts to put the “protest industry” in context.

Most people who went to those big anti-war rallies had no idea how they were organized and there’s very little public debate about it, partly because the organizers are Stalinists but also partly because of very legitimate concerns about government infilration and persecution a lot of people had left over from the COINTELPRO days.

A lot of those big mainstream anti-war organizations do have ties to the Democrats. It’s hard to express because they all seem so outrageously ultra left but they do. Leslie Cagan, for example, used to work with Ray Kelly (NY Police Commissioner) in the Dinkins administration.

51. catnip - 18 December 2008
52. catnip - 18 December 2008

46. And when you saw Cindy Sheehan starting to use right wing libertarian anti-war talking points in the beginning of 2007

What? Such as?

53. catnip - 18 December 2008

47. 2006 Fall. Missuh Anti-War movment. He dead.

Thanks. Not buying it. But thanks anyway.

54. marisacat - 18 December 2008

People are funneled into narrow routes for “activism” and ”protest”… Protest Darfur… etc. Some, but not all, are worthy causes… but it dead ends. The emphasis comes from above.

55. catnip - 18 December 2008

David Sirota sucks and he’s an ass.

I got into a little online debate with him and he was more than a bit condescending.

56. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

What? Such as?

This is the diary that turned her into enemy number 1 at the Daily Kos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/9/92356/44191/432/355512

Note the talking points about the Federal Reserve and unconstitutional Income taxes.

I was a life-long Democrat only because the choices were limited. The Democrats are the party of slavery and were the party that started every war in the 20th Century except the other Bush debacle. The Federal Reserve, permanent federal (and unconstitutional) income taxes, Japanese Concentration Camps and, not one, but two atom bombs dropped on the innocent citizens of Japan were brought to us via the Democrats.

57. marisacat - 18 December 2008

The Federal Reserve, permanent federal (and unconstitutional) income taxes,

That is also talked about in some levels of progressive or liberal groups.

There is a book around on the founding of the FR that lots have read… forget the title. AND any time you have an unpopular war, taxes get talked about.

58. catnip - 18 December 2008

Thus ends my evening of lofty, intellectual discourse fashioned to inspire and awe the audience.

59. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

AND any time you have an unpopular war, taxes get talked about.

Not enough in my opinion.

Iraq invasion + two parties committed to supporting Bush = Taxation Without Representation

60. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

Israeli Apartheid funded by US tax money + Two parties committed to squelching debate = Taxation Without Representation

61. catnip - 18 December 2008

56. Are you saying the Dems didn’t start the things she stated? I vaguely remember that debate and I’m not a yank. Sue me. (I’m feeling very litigious this evening.)

Fat lot of good the Federal Reserve is right about now anyway.

62. marisacat - 18 December 2008

well..I agree on that. obviously we are not represented… But the Federal Government is mired.. there will not be significant reform.. and certainly not over the tax code. I loved how people ate up ob’s ”taxes lowered for 95% of the people”.

So entertaining.

63. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

Are you saying the Dems didn’t start the things she stated?

No.

I’m saying that the talking points about the Federal Reserve and “unconstitutional” income taxes are common talking points in the Ron Paul/Libertarian movements, that it shows they had influence on her.

It also gave the Kostopo the excuse they needed to kick her off the site.

64. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2008

This site’s kind of the Daily Kos of the right wing libertarians, btw. It’s pretty good.

http://mises.org/

Interestingly enough, they still hate Bush about 100,000 times more than they hate Clinton (who they see as having a few good points, eg balancing the budget)

65. marisacat - 18 December 2008

Ron Paul Ron Paul.

She also went south and visited Chavez.

Who cares. She’s not some Ron Paul disciple.

66. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

She’s not some Ron Paul disciple.

She’s pretty well representative of a lot of people who did go to those big anti-war rallies, someone not really committed to any one ideology.

So when the talking points about the Federal Reserve came along, she probably just picked them up and said “hey. These look pretty good. I think I’ll try them out.”

I am NOT expressing any support, sympathy, understanding of the people who drove her off the Daily Kos, btw. Calling them scum would be insulting scum.

67. catnip - 19 December 2008

63. Well, see, iirc the whole kerfuffle of that debate had to do with people not reading what she actually wrote: i.e. that the Dems started those things. No. Kossacks, as they are known to because they tend to have very short attention spans (Oh look! Hope! Must vote Obama!), got sidetracked and went ballistic on her for what they thought she wrote (and because they loathed here to begin with). Of course, iirc, they were most miffed about the slavery thing. But I’d have to go back to double check and I really don’t want to. How dare someone speak truthfully about history??

The bottom line is that she isn’t Ron Paul but Paul sure got his digs in about the wars. Good for him. (The rest of what he believes in basically sucks but at least he got his antiwar point across). And then there’s Seabiscuit. We’ll always have Seabiscuit…

68. marisacat - 19 December 2008

I remember that diary I read it at the time. She became a heretic in a closed society. And a few very questionalbe people, that Lilian freak for one, with masses of names and long fractious arguments anywhwere she ever went, went after her for alluding to the Trail of Tears. Tied up days and days, literally.

Manufactured. Assholes excreting. After all, it is a doctrinaire site and NOT anti war at all. CS is anti war and she doesn’t have to hve a professed idealogy to be anti war.

69. catnip - 19 December 2008

Phew. My PC had a cardiac arrest in the form of a fatal exception and I thought my last comment was lost. I really need to sue Bill Gates. The bastard.

67. CS is anti war and she doesn’t have to hve a professed idealogy to be anti war.

Her son is dead. That’s enough of an “ideology”, I’d say.

70. catnip - 19 December 2008

66. So when the talking points about the Federal Reserve came along, she probably just picked them up and said “hey. These look pretty good. I think I’ll try them out.”

Umm, what? No need to try to make her look like some flake. Could it be that she actually believes what she talks about? Sheesh.

71. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Jackie Calmes has a piece up on the stimulus.

LINK to NYT

The president-elect, in a four-hour meeting on Tuesday, made a number of decisions to guide his senior advisers while he is on a two-week vacation starting on Saturday; more than once he goaded them to think bigger and “bolder,” participants said.

The Obama plan could end up at about 15 pages, an adviser said, leaving precise legislative language and some details to Congress. The House and Senate will be working simultaneously to draft separate but similar measures.

Ms. Pelosi hopes to have the House finish in the second week of January. The Senate Finance Committee has scheduled votes to begin on Jan. 8; subsequent debate on the Senate floor could take more than a week.

72. marisacat - 19 December 2008

LINK to Chuckle…

Mr. Bush’s comments, a month before he leaves office, made clear that he was worried by the idea of returning to Texas amid more economic chaos and the surge in unemployment that a collapse of the companies could cause.

“The autos obviously are very fragile,” he said. He added that he was concerned about what President-elect Barack Obama would face on Jan. 20. “I believe that good policy is not to dump him a major catastrophe in his first day of office,” he said.

73. marisacat - 19 December 2008

well here is a tidbit I missed today…………… Aretha Franklin will sing immediately following the invocation from Warren. And she will sing R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Way to go.

74. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Dropped in at David E[hrenstein]’s Fablog (embedded links there)…

Hey, don’t say I didn’t warn you — TWICE!

And if you want more, here’s a video interview with the lying motherfucker.

There’s nothing more to say ‘cept Barry — you are DEAD to me.

Sing us out, Aretha.

He also linked to a Oct 2007 opinion piece in the LAT of his that i had missed. A good one, written when Obster had McClurkin and other homophobe gospel acts perform in SC…

[A]dding fuel to this fire was Obama’s reply to questions about the concert. He haughtily told a reporter from the gay news magazine the Advocate,

“If there’s somebody out there who’s been more consistent in including LGBT Americans in his or her vision of what America should be, then I would be interested in knowing who that person is.” (The answer, of course, is Dennis Kucinich.)

But what’s really on Obama’s mind isn’t LBGT Americans. It’s black voters. With so much of the African American vote snugly in Hillary Clinton’s pantsuit pocket, the Illinois senator clearly is hoping to make inroads before South Carolina’s crucial 2008 primary.. …slap…

75. marisacat - 19 December 2008

lenin has a really interesting post on sustained protest in S Korea… that i was completely unaware of..

As a leader in the ‘Candlelight Movement’ sparked by the government’s neoliberal policies, he is the only one not yet captured.

76. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

Umm, what? No need to try to make her look like some flake. Could it be that she actually believes what she talks about? Sheesh.

It no more makes her a flake than Roosevelt’s willingness to try out new ideas and test them made him a flake.

But there’s a common attitude in the leadership of the anti-war movement that if you’re not 100% sincere and watertight in your ideology, you’re not a good person.

Combine that with the fact that the masses of the anti-war movement weren’t ideologically united behind anything, and you get to at least one problem the leadership has.

Go to any large anti-war rally and talk to people for long enough and you’re sure to find someone who represents just about every ideological position.

Cindy Sheehan’s main reason for opposing the war obviously had to do with her son being killed. But in a lot of ways that’s why the media decided to put her up on a pedestal in 2005 then savage her in 2006.

The idea that a conservative middle American who hated the war because her son got killed was a lot more media friendly than the leftist tone the big rallies in 2003 had. “Support the Troops Bring Them Home.”

When she turned out to be not so conservative, which, conveniently, the media discovered just when the Democrats no longer needed her, voila, they presented her as some sort of leftist nutcase.

77. marisacat - 19 December 2008

well from the get go she was never painted here, in CA or the BA in general, as a ”conservative”. She was painted as a mother of 4 from Vacaville. Period.

What assumptions others made, I have no idea.

78. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

White House to Give Automakers Low-Interest Loans, ABC News Has Learned [7:33 a.m. ET]

79. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

well from the get go she was never painted here, in CA or the BA in general, as a ”conservative”.

I phrased that poorly.

They didn’t present her personally as conservative. But she was a good symbol for a more conservative anti-war movement that centered on US troop deaths and not on concepts like “imperialism” or colonialism or, god forbid, dead Iraqis.

Hmm. Saw Caroline Kennedy on TV.

Hmm. Accounting for the fact that David Schuster might be in the pro Anthony Weiner camp, she didn’t come across as too impressive.

Maybe it would be better to give the seat to Bill.

80. marisacat - 19 December 2008

79

OK I see what you mean by that. Well there were efforts that year… some families did come forward and speak out, 2004 spring and summer… I remember some of it located at Fort Stewart in GA, base families, reg military. The base hierarchy clamped down on it, reading between the lines. And somewehre around that time, forget exactly when, the big insurance numbers were put into place. Eventually, last I read, 400K and later I read they were thinking of allowing grandparents to buy insurance as well on a mil person in theatre.

And I have come across stories of parents of the so horribly wounded, in VA hospitals for one and two years, suddenly one parent has a job with a defense contractor.

They ate up resistance, with money and options.

Going to be difficult.

81. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Oh Caroline is extremely awkward, no other words for it. I think the thing is a mess.

82. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

OK I see what you mean by that.

Accounting for the fact, of course, that in 2003, there were no dead American soldiers. So you couldn’t build a movement around them.

Note. I’m not putting down the military familes who speak out against the war or even the families of the dead soldiers who don’t.

I’m just noting that if you center the anti-war movement around dead soldiers, you also shut down its effectiveness if you, as Richard Nixon said in 1969, GET THE ARMY OUT OF THE HEADLINES.

83. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

Maybe it would be better to give the seat to Patti Smith.

84. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

Oh Caroline is extremely awkward, no other words for it. I think the thing is a mess.

Bill for Senate.

Then pass it to Chelsea in 2010 🙂

“Clinton” is an old, ancient name in New York State. If we’re going to do this royalty thing, let’s do it right.

85. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Apparently you are kidding about no dead soldiers in 2003.

No one else is allowed “standing” (in close to the legal sense of the word), on the big US stage of donkey and elephant exrement, to argue agaisnt the wars, however.

That is a simple fact.

**********

I’d get behind Patti Smith for the senate seat.

86. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

Deep Throat died.

87. marisacat - 19 December 2008

Maybe Ob could take Warren to Hawai’i with him and they could both shut up. Or praise Pele and take the leap. RW is out with a new statement.

Rick Warren, in his first statement since the announcement that he’d give the invocation at the inauguration, praises Obama’s willingness to “take enormous heat from his base.” Which probably won’t turn down the temperature any. [it goes on]

88. BooHooHooMan - 19 December 2008

I have a one sentence summary of this comment but you’ll have to wait for it till my nextcomment.
Oh what the hell, I’ll pull a Dave, move the Big Leak up:
This is a Screed thru DemBloggerton,
Aravosis Stock likely to rise.

Dateline: MIC_rael USA, SS/DD 9:00 A.M. EST

Anyways,

I read David Sirota’s book “Uprising” and Sirota has a long section about the “protest industry.”

When I was reading it I realized it wasn’t very good but I also realized it was one of the ONLY honest attempts to put the “protest industry” in context. -HC

Ironically, his Publisher was Protest Industry Books.

Seriously,
Sirota has straddled the pwog donk game for quite some time….
HILL STAFFER. ROUNDER.
No Prob workin for AIPAC, House Appropriations, then the
Villagers with Pitchforks and Torches Beat,
after the Clintoney Life collapsed.
Almost methodically chaotic for all the stops he’s made on the map.

There’s So so VERY many openings now though,
for the splintered yet Really really really
really REALLY Progressive _________ Bloggers..
Fill In the blank. Montanans, Gays, etc.. Gay Montanans…and on..
All Really ____(fill in the blank)___DONKS.

Aravosis star rises again, for now.
A Pseudonymos Gay Horseman possibly next,
eclipsing him and Sirota,
The straight guy Montanan Messiah NOT from Montana.
Now, Not from Denver either or the Dems InterMountain West Strategy, though he moved to Denver last year..
A Twofer, at least..
The New Blog: “Hey!itosis”.
Chaps by Versaci, Nice enough for Church, though..
David can then go Back to Philly and package Chris Matthews, go on
Rachel and Keith to discuss why,
explaining the Nuance of Tweety, How “who one would like to have beers with” is the vernacular of the common man,
more Anheuser on Matthews part, less Bush froth on the brain now….

It is all part of a continual game to cage the spark and locus of genuine uprise and dissent.
Greet it, Shout too. Co-opt it. Screw.
Then Move On.

A look at a lot of these guys, all guys too-
– perfunctory digression here-
I mean the Donks SOOO don’t wanna burst
the American Female Bubble-
That the Dems AREN”T fighting for women, or choice, or equality,
or jobs, or kids, “families’ or education,
or ANY OTHER GODDAMN Constituency less monied than the ZOG..
Who will tell-all among the girls?
The Straight Up / Down to Earth Truth?
Arianna The European? Hardly.
Hamster? ..nyeeep.
Jeralyn? Workin the Chive Dip?
Marcy From Michigan?
With her dissertation on le Feuilleton?
From her role as “a former vice chairwoman of the Washtenaw County Democratic Party.[5]”??
Or her stopped-well-short-of-the-Dems look into Cheney facilitated War Crimes.?

All of this ( I know) , is like beating a dead gay horsemen blogger Lawyer Hill Aide activist ( little “a” activist )
tenure seeking consultant DONK. We’ve seen it all before.

But a stroll down memory lane of their
self groomed WiKi pages is a cue to what treats will be served,
especially Aravosis’ now, as Obama will continue
to Gay Bash while leaving the seriously monied interests alone..
Cue the Chit Chat. Book it on MSM. Plow Ahead.
Cue the Chit Chat, etc. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Makes the simps feel like they’re fighting a cause by funding
and cheering on these dive artists as it depletes pissed off simp resources and strength to fight elswhere.

I wonder what Aravosis of AMERICABlog cut will be.?
A Flag? A Light Bulb?
A Commemorative Obama Rubber One?

John Aravosis (born 27 November 1963) is an American Democratic political consultant, writer, LGBT activist and blogger. Aravosis, an attorney who lives in Washington, D.C., is the founder of AMERICAblog and a co-founder of StopDrLaura.com.

Aravosis is a lawyer and worked on Capitol Hill as a foreign policy adviser for Ted Stevens, a Republican senator in the late 1980s and early 1990s before becoming a Democrat. He subsequently worked at the World Bank, the Children’s Defense Fund, and then started his own political Internet consulting business in 1997 and AMERICAblog in 2004.

Nice Knowin-When-To-Jump there, John.
Yep we’ll be seein more of him now.

Where’s the Change?
Oh, these contortion artists will come up with something..
Funded Right out of a newly created account of the ZOG.

{Zog?!? What Zog?! }
The money from suckers who kick in on their own is just gravy.

Atrios / Duncan Black’s Wiki is

almost emblematic of the Demy Leveraged on Fluff Academy..

Black began his online political life in Salon magazine’s Tabletalk messageboards under the pseudonym of Kurt Foster, then began blogging as Atrios, remaining pseudonymous for several years, and even joking that he was actually a high school gym teacher. According to Black, the name “Atrios” is actually a (misspelled) reference to a character named Antrios in the Yasmina Reza play ‘Art’ who paints the play’s key “white painting on white canvas”.

Go Figure.

Before starting Eschaton, Black wrote (as Atrios) for the webzine Media Whores Online (now defunct).

{ LOL.}

During the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, he revealed that he had accepted a job at Media Matters for America and allowed his name and photograph to be published. He later said that as an academic he blogged pseudonymously to avoid attacks like those later unleashed on Timothy Shortell.[2]

89. marisacat - 19 December 2008

During the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, he revealed that he had accepted a job at Media Matters for America and allowed his name and photograph to be published. He later said that as an academic he blogged pseudonymously to avoid attacks like those later unleashed on Timothy Shortell.[2]

I was reading in 2004 when his own readers had gotten a drift that he was connected to MM and forced him to admit it. But they had to force it. I don’t know where he announces it now, but having been forced he put it at the bottom of his page………………waaaaaaaay down that long light blue page.

90. catnip - 19 December 2008

76. Let’s play Spot the Contradiction:

Combine that with the fact that the masses of the anti-war movement weren’t ideologically united behind anything,

(Hint: “anti-war”)

91. catnip - 19 December 2008

88. I have a one sentence summary of this comment but you’ll have to wait for it till my nextcomment.

Oh what the hell, I’ll pull a Dave, move the Big Leak up:

😀 (thanks)

And yes, I have a garage (with lurking bits of terrorist plywood).

92. marisacat - 19 December 2008

wow… I don’t know who John Cloud is… having fallen away from TIME (is he a regular?)… but when those two old harridans, TIME and Newsweek hit something, they hit it.

Rick Warren may occasionally sound more open-minded than Jerry Falwell, another plump evangelical who once played a prominent role in U.S. politics. But he’s not. Gays and lesbians are angry that Barack Obama has honored Warren, but they shouldn’t be surprised. Obama has proven himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.

Don’t miss the next graf when he compares him to Russell of the Senate. Really hard slap. And another full frontal slap.

He puts a soft predictable finish on it.. should nto have.

93. catnip - 19 December 2008
94. catnip - 19 December 2008

Correction: Ford’s not getting any money, according to CNN.

95. mattes - 19 December 2008

By hook or by crook:

Shady land deal unfolds from West Bank to California strip mall

In this case, a 2004 document shows a Palestinian farmer named Abdel Latif Sumarin sold a plot long tended by his family near the village of Burqa, east of the city of Ramallah, to a company with an Arabic name. The paper contains Sumarin’s signature in clear English script and that of a California notary.

But an Associated Press investigation that made use of court papers, public records and interviews in the West Bank, Israel and the U.S., shows that the document is a poorly executed forgery.

The land now houses part of Migron, one of the some 100 unauthorized outposts established by settlers in the West Bank over the past decade. The six acres (2.5 hectares) of rocky soil are caught up in two court cases in Israel and investigations by Israeli police and, it appears, the FBI.

Sumarin’s grandson, Abdel Munam Sumarin, can see the trailers and utility poles of Migron from his living room in Burqa. As one of his grandfather’s heirs, he has appealed to Israel’s Supreme Court to get the land back; other Palestinians who say they own plots occupied by the settlement have joined the suit.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1048045.html

96. BooHooHooMan - 19 December 2008

When I see someone blame Obama for the end of the anti-Iraq-war movement, what I really see is someone who hasn’t really examined the leadership of the anti-war movement. Obama is by no definition an anti-war politician but his movement stepped into a vaccuum that already existed. They didn’t create the vaccuum or siphon people away from a movement.

You really have very little proximity or understanding as to what was going on. You refer to WCW but fail to understand the “all politics are local” dynamics out of Daleytown.
Or, That. their. house. in DC was Kerry patronage….
That The same desperately supplied and naively taken in largesse moved through other orgs too, almost supplying the ketchup for faux blood displays to hedge a much needed do over.

Not that a Bonesman would inspire,
much less DO anything different, but there it is.

If anything, then, Ignorance is to blame.
Ob was Just-in-time-manufacture as one of those Transformer Toys, lotta options tp play while Damage Assessments from Escalation in Iraq came in..

The Local aspects are significant too.
As it served to diminish WCW ,
PARTICULARLY in Chi,
it also took CP heat off Hillary in NY,
and “next step” actions considered in both locales then.

Jesus. The Media, and Media consultants aren’t the only tools Interested Parties and their help have at their disposal.
Dimensional analysis is only a phone call
to the biggest hedge fund in Arlington ,
Wall Street,
or the Chicago Board of Trade Away.

Well, on THIS, They figured it out and stuck everybody with Ob.
Now they’ll have to turn their efforts into least cost avoidance of riots, ’cause The Problem with math?
– political calculus or otherwise-
Everybody fucks up.
And Stochastic Optimization doesn’ t work so well
with hungry, angry, injured people.

97. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

According to this 2005 interview at Columbia Journalism Review, John Cloud has been a Time staffer since 1997. (The interview was to give Cloud a chance to respond to reader backlash after he wrote a cover story on Ann Coulter, and he goes out of his way to give Eric Alterman and David Brock special slaps therein.) Google also brought up references to another cover story from the same year, “The Battle Over Gay Teens.”

98. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

. . .another Cloud cover story, I mean.

99. marisacat - 19 December 2008

IB

Thanks for that! Just as you posted Safeway rang the bell… so now that the critical stuff is in the fridge and the hallway is littered with bags of non critical… will follow the link. 😯

I wonder if he si some gay grand nephew of Old Man Luce.. or soemthing. Such leeway. I doubt anyone in national print has called Obster a bigot, of any sort. He went after Yahweh.

Tks again. Off to read.

100. catnip - 19 December 2008

Ironically, In a First, Gay Rights Are Pressed at the U.N.

UNITED NATIONS — An unprecedented declaration seeking to decriminalize homosexuality won the support of 66 countries in the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday, but opponents criticized it as an attempt to legitimize pedophilia and other “deplorable acts.”

The United States refused to support the nonbinding measure, as did Russia, China, the Roman Catholic Church and members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. The Holy See’s observer mission issued a statement saying that the declaration “challenges existing human rights norms.”

Gee. Ya think?

Somewhere, Rick Warren and Obamalama are smiling.

101. marisacat - 19 December 2008

97, 98

very interesting… I think he is right on Brock and Alterman.

102. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2008

Maybe it would be better to give the seat to Patti Smith.

Yes, and I think she should perform this instead of a speech when she’s sworn in.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2008

Deep Throat died.

Linda Lovelace was sick?

😯

104. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

Combine that with the fact that the masses of the anti-war movement weren’t ideologically united behind anything,

(Hint: “anti-war”)

A lot of the people who went to those rallies in 2003 and at the RNC were Kerry supporters and just wanted “more body armor”.

The only thing really uniting people was that they were all anti-Bush and especially the way Bush and Cheney basically declared war on the American people after 9/11.

What they accomplished was to break the post 9/11 “united we stand” consensus where “united we stand” mean “united we stand to crush some small Arab country in revenge for 9/11.”

105. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

96. BooHooHooMan

Your posts sometimes read a bit like Patti Smith circa 1977.

(I think Patti Smith still lives in Michigan btw)

But I think I got most of that. And I concede the point that New York isn’t Chicago and Obama probably did take the wind out of the anti-war movement in Chicago.

WCW, at least in NYC, was a pretty minor player in the anti-war movment as a whole. What killed WCW in New York was Leslie Cagan deciding not to support their rallies.

106. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2008

As it served to diminish WCW ,PARTICULARLY in Chi,it also took CP heat off Hillary in NY,

If by “CP” you mean Communist Party USA there was never really much heat to take off. They’re thoroughly embedded in the Democratic Party.

I really got a sense of how a lot of anti-war rallies are organized during the big Sean Bell rally in late 2006.

Right after Bell got shot, there were a lot of very small, very militant rallies in and around the city. Then Sharpton, Leslie Cagan and the usual gang called a big rally for 5th Ave.

I saw very little publicity, no fliers, no posts on the internet. I thought it was going to be tiny. But at least 10,000 people (probabl a lot more) showed up. It was mobilized from the top down through the leftier city unions and some of the more bureaucratic anti-war organizations. And totally in cooperation with the police they were supposed to be protesting.

107. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

How’s yer snow, Madman? Pretty fine powder here, still ongoing.

HCfM – Her myspace page indicates NYC.

108. catnip - 19 December 2008
109. marisacat - 19 December 2008

nhu post…

LINK

…………… 😯 …………

110. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2008

I thought it was funny that the John Cloud thing pointed back to Alterman and Brock after BHHM’s comment about “netroots” simp-distractors upthread.


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