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Collective Punishment.. 3 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.


The palm groves are reminiscent of Vietnam: Iraqi soldiers with the United States troops patroling the outskirts of Fallujah — with rays of light deceptively breaking through the darkness.   [photo: AFP]

I dropped in at Al-Ahram, an English language Egyptian weekly, to see what they had to say, but their issue from before the onset of the aerial war over Gaza was still up.. then I thought I’d see if there was something recent by Sinan Antoon that I had missed and found this from 2003.. Tyrants and Trees

It was just another passing “occupation story”. US soldiers had uprooted some palm, orange and lemon trees in a village in central Iraq. It was done “to punish villagers who did not give the US army information (presuming they possess such information) about the identity and whereabouts of those waging attacks against US troops. This form of collective punishment is, alas, a familiar tactic in the region. It’s been used for years by the Israeli army against innocent Palestinian villagers. And it has proven, time and again, that it only hardens the resolve and determination of those being punished.

But what caught my attention in this case was that the American soldier bulldozing the trees was reportedly “playing loud Jazz music” as he was destroying the livelihood of those families.

One would have expected Heavy Metal, or Wagner at best! But perhaps it is naïveté on my part to think that, somehow, Jazz is just too incongruous with such violence and barbarism!

As I reread the story, I wondered about his choice? Was it Miles, Gillespie, or Coltrane? But perhaps he was trying to drown out the screams and wails of those who tended to the trees all their life and were watching them die, or the cries of his own conscience coming from within? No, the music was not a requiem for the dying tress! Witnesses said that he was laughing as he carried out the mission. A comrade of his, however, couldn’t take it and was crying nearby (a softie who should be sent home!)….


Papillon citron

Collective punishment is not new for Iraqis. Having lived under Saddam’s rule, they know it all too well, but they did not expect it to return so soon. This past July I returned to Iraq for the first time since 1991 to film a documentary. Our team, visited the small town of Al-Dijayl, about an hour west of Baghdad, where a failed assassination attempt was carried out against Saddam two decades ago.  …

The man told us how Saddam had their orchards uprooted and their houses destroyed for “harbouring the attackers”. He showed us where the orchards used to be and stood in what is now the main street passing through the town and pointed: “They were very beautiful, the palm trees and the oranges, and they were everything we had.” It was years before they could have a crop again. They had to struggle to buy new land outside the village and dig a well, because the regime denied them any access to water. He insisted on taking us to the new orchards to feed us some fruit. One could see the pride and love in his eyes when he showed us the various trees and handed us the delicious fruit. “Al-Dijayl’s fruits have an unmistakable taste,” he added.

Pomelo blossom – Israel

Lemons and oranges differ in shape, size and degrees of bitterness, but, at the end of the day, they are lemons and oranges; variations on the original theme. Tyranny also has that same basic and unmistakably bitter taste whenever and wherever it materialises. The wrapping and the sales-pitch may differ according to the tyrants’ inclinations and ideological rhetoric, but the end result is as bitter as ever, even when accompanied by Jazz. The theme remains the same. Saddam’s troops did not play any music while uprooting the orchards and destroying the houses. Empire brings its own music, or rather cacophony, with it.


I just noticed this over at Press TV:

The armed wing of Hamas says its fighters have foiled an attempt by Israeli ground forces to cross the border into the Gaza Strip.

A spokesman for the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades said early Saturday morning that Hamas fighters spotted an unspecified number of Israeli forces trying to infiltrate the Shajaiyeh border neighborhood of eastern Gaza City at around 1 am (2300 GMT Friday).

The spokesperson said that after Hamas fighters detected the Israeli soldiers, the fighters fired six mortar shells at them, According to Israel Radio.

He added that the fighting had no casualties.

The Israeli bombing campaign of the impoverished Palestinian territory has so far killed at least 436 people and wounded 2250 others, including women and children …



1. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Times Online has a fast squib on some celeb commentary (A Lennox and B Jagger) on Friday about Gaza and a bit on the expected Saturday demonstrations in London (20K estimated to march)…

Ms Jagger yesterday called on US president-elect Barack Obama to speak out against the bombings.

“People throughout the world were hopeful when he was elected and we must appeal to him to ask for the immediate cessation of the bombardment of the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.”

Meanwhile, Lennox spoke of her shock at watching scenes of the bombing on television.

“A few days after Christmas I came downstairs, put the television on, and saw smoke pyres coming from buildings and I was shocked to the core. How was this going to be the solution to peace?”

Comedian Sayle said he was speaking out because it was important for Jewish voices to be heard.

“I want to feel proud of Israel, I want to be proud of my people but I am ashamed.”

I wasn’t going to post this as it is so damnably predictable, but the ChicTrib, too,mentions that on Friday some of the backers of the Sat London march were wondering where Lover Boy is, and why so silent. They include an array of comments from lesser known names — and manage to remind that ObRama said he wanted a different face for America for young muslims. [strangle choke hack up a hairball]

It is not only the Arab world that has noticed the president-elect’s silence: At a gathering of celebrities to condemn Israel’s assault in London on Friday, speakers called on Obama to speak out.

Such calls underscore the challenge confronting a president-elect who has promised to deliver change and who may now face unrealistically high expectations as to how far that change will go.

2. marisacat - 3 January 2009


NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), roundtable with NBC’s Richard Engel, The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, BBC’s Katty Kay, Al-Arabiya’s Hisham Melhem and NBC’s Andrea Mitchell.

ABC’s ‘This Week’: Senate appointee Roland Burris (D-Ill.), Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), roundtable with ABC’s Jonathan Karl, ABC’s Cokie Roberts, ABC’s George Will and The Nation’s Katrina vanden Heuvel.

CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’: Vice President Dick Cheney.

‘Fox News Sunday’: Former President George H.W. Bush, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), panel with the Fox News All Stars, with Fox’s Brit Hume, NPR’s Mara Liasson, NPR’s Juan Williams and The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol.

CNN’s ‘Late Edition’: Former governor Mitt Romney (R-Mass.), Gov. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.), Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), strategy panel with CNN’s James Carville and Ed Rollins, political panel with CNN’s Gloria Borger, Ed Henry and Amy Walter.

3. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Remember Obster is frm Hawai’i! .. Burris is wandering around [apparently, according to the S-Times] saying “We are the senator” and there is talk he will sue to be seated… meanwhile…

Sun-Times has some juicy tidbits. Boy, I bet they got a boat load of stuff on those tapes:

Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.

Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.

Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis — both democratic congressmen from Illinois — and against Jones — the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama — because he did not believe the three men were electable. He feared losing the seat to a Republican in a future election. …

4. marisacat - 3 January 2009

‘Nother little tidbit:

Duckworth is the wounded Iraq war veteran who was tapped by Blagojevich for the state post after she lost a House race in 2006. Duckworth’s entry in the House contest was championed by U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) with her campaign assisted by Emanuel, who was running the House political operation at the time, and Obama. David Axelrod, Obama’s chief presidential campaign strategist, was Duckworth’s media consultant for her House race.

5. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Angry Arab..

Do you know that Israeli terrorists are also shooting at Palestinians in the West Bank?

“But Israeli soldiers were standing behind concrete blocks, where they apparently tested a new weapon called “the scream,” which sends subsonic waves that seem to affect the inner ear and cause bodily imbalance.

The army then fired teargas, causing dozens to suffer gas inhalation, and a round of rubber-coated bullets. Soldiers also used a new weapon, which fires round balls filled with green liquid and also contain 0.5cm diameter steel bullet. The green bullet breaks on contact, protesters said. Among the injured were 16-year-olds Hamza Sulaiman Yasin, Abdallah Mohammad Yasin and Mohammad Ahmad Hasan, who were shot with the “green bullet” weapon. They were taken to Sheikh Zaid Hospital in Ramallah.””

6. catnip - 3 January 2009

I saw a teevee ad last nite for a new Time Life dvd set about the Vietnam war. One of the selling blurbs on the screen asserted that watching it might even change some opinions about the war. Oh really?? You lost. Give it up already.

7. catnip - 3 January 2009

Brrrreaking on BBC teevee: Israeli forces have reportedly entered Gaza.

I’ll look for a link.

8. catnip - 3 January 2009
9. marisacat - 3 January 2009


thanks for that catnip…………………………… 🙄

10. catnip - 3 January 2009

I think the IDF is going to get its butt kicked – again.

11. marisacat - 3 January 2009

I see Press TV on the side bar has it.. they’ve entered and they have ramped up from the sea as well.

Will get those links…

12. marisacat - 3 January 2009

full text Press TV:

Israeli troops have reportedly crossed the Israeli border with the Gaza Strip starting a new phase of Operation Cast Lead.

Witnesses said Israeli ground troops entered the Gaza Strip from the north.

Israeli defense officials also confirmed the ground incursion, AP reported on Saturday.

The incursion follows the heavy bombing and shelling of the Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Preceeded by this:

Israel has reportedly mobilized its navy units near the Gaza Strip amid speculations that a ground offensive is imminent.

Witnesses reported the presence of an Israeli warship and a submarine off the coast of Gaza on Saturday.

13. marisacat - 3 January 2009

ABC says they are coming in at several points, attack is land sea and air. The aim is to take full control of Gaza. A YEAR of preparation, ABC says.

14. catnip - 3 January 2009

I see leaflets were dropped telling people to leave Gaza. And how, exactly, are they supposed to do that?

15. catnip - 3 January 2009

May this be the straw that finally breaks the camel’s back i.e. may the Israeli gov’t finally have pushed way too far – forcing majority world opinion to turn against it. And may Obamalama get so tangled up in defending this inhumanity that he is forever tainted by it.

Meanwhile, CNN US cut off CNN International’s interview with a Palestinian spokesperson for no apparent reason. No bias there though… la la la I can’t hear you

16. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Lenin has a post up on the London march today, “tens of thousands”… BBC says that some marchers threw stones at Downing St… Lenin says they threw shoes.

Works for me.

17. marisacat - 3 January 2009


It was reported a couple days ago that Israeli pop supported the attacks by 52%… but that only 20% supported a ground invasion. (Forget who did the polling if I ever did know)

So, we shall see.

I thought they might go in today, the propaganda was hot and heavy all night on KGO talk radio, our local tied to the local Dem machine talk radio. Ugly and intense.

18. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Anti-war.com has a piece up on the polling/Israel/War.

19. catnip - 3 January 2009

17. CNN’s Rick Sanchez was practically jumping out of his pants during his show on Friday, speculating about the ground invasion.

Some Israeli gov’t spokespuppet was on CBC earlier and when asked about the worldwide protests said, “Those are Arabs.”



I look forward to seeing dkos finally implode (as MissBlue predicted) now that there’s new I/P info to discuss.

20. catnip - 3 January 2009

CNN has Barghouti on and actually let him speak (mostly) uninterrupted about what’s going on.

21. mattes - 3 January 2009

Marcat…isn’t 20% of Israel’s population Arab?

22. marisacat - 3 January 2009


Seems to me it is something like that… not sure tho.

23. catnip - 3 January 2009

Where’s Tony Blair in all of this? I thought he was the main Israel poodle these days.

24. mattes - 3 January 2009

#23…bent over.

25. catnip - 3 January 2009

Worldwide protests denounce Israel (includes a pic of some shoes)

26. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Reuters Alertnet:

Gaza: ICRC medical team still banned from Gaza

03 Jan 2009 15:34:58 GMT

Source: International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) – Switzerland

Reuters and AlertNet are not responsible for the content of this article or for any external internet sites. The views expressed are the author’s alone.

For the second consecutive day, Israeli authorities have refused to allow an ICRC emergency medical team into Gaza. The ICRC had notified the authorities of the team’s arrival in advance, but they have been awaiting authorization to enter the Strip since Friday morning, even though the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel has been open for other humanitarian workers and foreigners to leave the Strip. …snip…

Let’s see

Strafed and bombed
little to no electricity
All supplies run out from medicine to flour
they bombed the childrens’s hospital 2 days ago
siege of blockade for months, intensified in November
ICRC blocked
International press blocked. Even tho the Israelii court ruled they should be allowed in.

27. marisacat - 3 January 2009


he dipped into the ME a few months ago and ran out as soon as a death threat agaisnt him was reported.

Cringing Catholic is all I can say……………..

28. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Demonstrations in Kuwait

Al-Arabiya TV was talking to its correspondent in Kuwait. The correspondent reported on the massive demonstration for Gaza in Kuwait. He said, nay exclaimed, that it was indeed the largest demonstration in Kuwait’s history.

He said that liberals and conservatives, Sunnis and Shi`ites, religious people and secularists all turned out in full force, along with Asian workers. He was going on about the unprecedented nature of the demonstration when he was interrupted in mid-sentence and told to shut up.

Posted by As’ad at 10:05 AM (no embedded links)

The US can shut up the leadrship of the vaunted “moderates” (to whom?) but not the people. Not all of them, not all of the time.

29. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Reuters’ Alertnet.org

Large numbers of forces were involved in the operation, including infantry, tanks, engineers, artillery and intelligence, the military said in a statement.

The ground offensive could take many days, the chief military spokesman said.

“This won’t be a school outing,” Brigadier Avi Benayahu told Israeli television. “We are taking about many long days.”

A senior Hamas official said the militants had killed a number of Israeli soldiers but there was no word from Israel on any casualties.

“The Zionist enemy should know that he has four choices of he enters Gaza, first he may be killed, or taken captive, or suffer a permanent disability or return home with a psychological illness,” Hamas said in radio broadcast.

Hours before the advance, an Israeli air strike killed 11 Palestinian worshippers, including children, and wounded dozens at a mosque in Beit Lahiya, Hamas officials and medics said.

The attacks brought a wave of international protests and thousands of demonstrators marched in solidarity with the Palestinians in European cities on Saturday.

In Paris, more than 20,000 demonstrators, many wearing Arab keffiyeh headscarves, chanted slogans like “Israel murderer!”.

In London, 10,000 protesters led by singer Annie Lennox carried Palestinian flags and placards with slogans such as “End the siege on Gaza” and “Stop the massacre”. …

Where is lover boy?

30. marisacat - 3 January 2009

From Lenin thread:

Around 10,000 in Athens (I’ve heard) with clashes outside the Isreali Embassey.

Here in Thessaloniki, about 300 in the pouring rain, with the leader of the workers centre present as well as other trade union leaders. (KKE were disgracefully absent).
Very angry and I’m sure there will be more to come.

anticapitalista | 3 Jan, 19:49 | #

31. marisacat - 3 January 2009


Thousands of chanting, banner-waving demonstrators marched in cities across Europe on Saturday to demand a halt to Israeli bombing in the Gaza Strip. Protests were held in Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Turkey as the Israeli offensive entered its second week, and before Israel confirmed ground forces had entered Gaza.

32. BooHooHooman - 3 January 2009

Just Coming Out of the Fuckin WoodWork:

So who is this guy
who popped up back in the Primaries?– ~Uhhyin~ MAY!?@! LOL:


Senator Clinton:

Apologize to Barack Obama. Apologize to African Americans who hold their breath every time they see Barack Obama reach into a crowd to shake a hand. Apologize to the American people, whose lesser angels you have appealed to with your thinly veiled racism framed as “white” working class support.

Today you apologized to no one. Today you acted as though you did absolutely nothing wrong. Today is the day that will define your candidacy and persona forever…

Holy Fuckin Torah
Blah Blah Blah Jewish Lawyer
~Buh Luv Me Some Baracky~
Apologize to the Negroes
Blah Blah Blah

. Do not delay or make any more non-apology apologies.

David L. Goldman

33. BooHooHooman - 3 January 2009

The Guy Pictured here?

Why he’s user id # 157,343 Featuring his Opus now on Dailykos! :
{Great Sig BTW for an Ambulance Chasing Shyster from Florida.}

Why I still support Israel
by Protect Ya Neck
Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 10:54:37 AM PST

I don’t write diaries or comment much but I enjoy reading DKos and respect and sympathize with much of what I read here, particularly during last year’s Democratic primaries. I was proud of this movement and what it represented and its historical political impact. But now….not so much. Let me explain.

* Protect Ya Neck’s diary :: ::

The hatred and venom directed at Israel on this site demonstrates a prejudice and bias that most closely resembles a bizarro world version of a foaming at the mouth right wing hate-blog. Perhaps I am sensitive to this because I am a Jew with a very Jewish name, who due to genetic forces beyond my control have the facial features and general appearance of a rabbi right out of central casting. And yes, theistically I am also a Jew.

Yet my wife is Asian (Okinawan), and the majority of my friends are not Jewish. I supported Obama as early as March 2007 and worked on his campaign on the Gulf Coast of Florida raising money and speaking with Hillary supporters and Republicans. I believe that Barack Obama is not a once in a generation candidate, but a once in a millenium candidtate.

How very fuckin lawyerly of the guy:
“”” I supported Obama as early as March 2007
Yeh, LOL, when not being all over the map politically:
Perot -National Counsel Reform Party-
Goopers – Baracktoids now- Doesn’t Matter…LOL
Now he’s a Rabbi lecturing on Kos.LOL…

Oh LOL. Screamin at the Bold there on hisCV

David L. Goldman
Shapiro, Goldman, Babboni & Walsh
5291 Office Park Boulevard
Bradenton, Florida 34203
(Manatee Co.)

Practice Areas Personal Injury; Wrongful Death; Automobile Accidents and Injuries; Nursing Home Negligence; Insurance Bad Faith

Education Tulane University School of Law, J.D., 1987, Hamilton College, B.A., Government, 1983

Admitted 1987, Florida and U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida

Languages English and Spanish

Born New York, New York, May 4, 1961

Biography Recipient, Legislative Leadership Award, Academy of Florida Trial Lawyers, 1997. Member, Judicial Nominations Commission, 12th Judicial Circuit, 1998-2001. General Counsel, Reform Party USA, 2000. Chairman, Reform Party of Florida, 1998-2000. Chairman, Floridians for Fair Elections, 1998. Director, Temple Emanu-El, Sarasota, 2001—. Director, Gulf Coast Latin Chamber of Commerce, 2002—. Partner: Goldman & Kleinberg, P.A., 1998-2003; Cate & Goldman, P.A., 1995-1998; Macy, Glober, Goldman, Robinson & Farrow, 1992-1995.

Dabblings from within the FEC:


09/09/2002 500.00 22992167902


07/20/2000 250.00 20990187926

Mr. David Goldman (Goldman & Kleinberg P.A./Attorney), (Zip code: 34241) $250 to DUFFEY FOR CONGRESS CAMPAIGN on 06/24/00

Adresses all link despite one typo….

In one of his online grafs it says he was directly appointed by the Governor of Florida to the Judicial Nominating Commission for the Twelfth Judicial Circuit …
LOL “directly appointed by the Governor” – Tho doesn’t say WHO!
Embarrased? The MoFo was in the middle of all sorts of Reform Party / GOPclusterfuckery in Florida 2000 – LOL..
Now he’s wagging the saps on Kos…Waay Too Funny.

34. marisacat - 3 January 2009

DLG — No idea. Frankly I found both Hillary and Obster objectionable. LOL and to be pols.

Personally I am pretty well done with the “apology” game.

35. bayprairie - 3 January 2009


so reid’s been caught on tape saying all “those” black males aren’t electable?


i always thought he was an equal opportunity cock-sucker.

36. BooHooHooMan - 3 January 2009

Filter snag on Publicly Available Info thatI figure is fair game….
Bird on the Wire ..something.. it was up then down..

37. marisacat - 3 January 2009

😆 … that’s MORMON cocksucker ms bay…

38. marisacat - 3 January 2009


i did not even know there was a twelfth cir… thought it was 1 -11…

39. BooHooHooMan - 3 January 2009

35 reid’s caught on tape..those blacks . heehee..-bayprarie

Laugh Afreaking Popcorn!- – Out Loud!-
into a micno less…That’s what happens
when Durbin isn’t around to assist with Man Titties…

40. BooHooHooMan - 3 January 2009

lol:… that’s MORMON cocksucker ms bay…-mcat

Well that MORMON cocksucker surely bring relief to Catholics,
significantly reducing the scope and proportion of Catholic Cocksuckery and all.. 😉

41. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Ehud B warns Lebanon

Israel is ready for any development on its border with Lebanon, Defence Minister Ehud Barak says in an indirect warning to Hezbollah.

On Saturday, the Secretary General of Hezbollah, Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah, addressed a crowd of Lebanese supporters in a videoconference, saying that “Our brothers in the resistance in Palestine know that it is by inflicting the biggest possible losses on the Israeli enemy during the ground confrontation that they will win the battle,”

“It is when the resistance kills soldiers and destroys tanks that the course of the battle will be determined,” he added. …

42. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Full text Press TV

Palestinian groups have intensified rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns, destroying a house in the city of Netivot.

Rockets hit Netivot, Eshkol and Sha’ar Hanegev on Saturday evening amid the nonstop Israeli air raids and shelling of the Gaza Strip.

A rocket struck a house in Netivot causing the collapse of the building and injuring one person.

Palestinian groups launched at least 31 rockets toward Israeli targets on Saturday.

The northern Negev town of Kiryat Malachi was also hit in Saturday’s attacks.

Israel started shelling the Gaza Strip on Saturday afternoon for the first time since it launched Operation Cast Lead against Gaza.

Earlier on Saturday, Israeli warplanes bombed a main bridge close to Gaza City in an apparent move to divide the populated region ahead of a ground incursion.

43. diane - 3 January 2009

…I need…to give some deep thought before I clarify marisa….I believe you understand……..you have given me free rein…(jeez…there i go with all the spelling) .and there is something …that I can’t even begin to define…. in that……..

an after thought ……..any asshole who took my whisk broom comment as a witch anology….truly needs to find a reflection somewhere……(aside of marisa, who clearly must have been picking herself apart from the day whe was born….)

44. marisacat - 3 January 2009

aside of marisa, who clearly must have been picking herself apart from the day whe was born….

You know diane, you’ve never met me, nor know anything at all about me beyond box comments and some links and snips and images I put up at a blog.

I would never presume to know or make such a defined (by what? nothing) and highly subjective take on you.

Give it a break.

45. diane - 3 January 2009

and you really need to rethink HR1955 ms harman…..are you female?….are you HUMAN?

46. diane - 3 January 2009

I could no sooner give it a break…than you,….marisa…..


47. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Let me be clear again diane.. I don’t presume to make assessments about you. Based on the shreds of the internet. Keep some perspective.

48. BooHooHooMan - 3 January 2009

Might as well Publish the Inevitable.
Bravo Josh Marshall,right?. What a sap.

Many More Madoffs?

From Bloomberg …

U.S. regulators working to untangle Bernard Madoff’s alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme are probing other money managers suspected of using similar tactics, two people with knowledge of the inquiries said.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is pursuing at least one case in which investors may have been cheated out of as much as $1 billion, according to one person, who declined to name the manager and asked not to be identified because the probe isn’t public.

–Josh Marshall

Well, when you actually READ the Bloomberg article,
the next paragraph in fact,
it’s clear the scope of “investigations” are NOT going to go up and down Madoffs chain, but rather –OUT—> like finding the
Nigerian Email guy…LOL.

Regulators may discover additional Ponzi arrangements as declining stock markets prompt investors to withdraw their cash and they question how their money is being managed. This week, the SEC said it halted what the agency described as a $23 million scam targeting Haitian-Americans, and said the Florida- based operators as recently as last month sought more investors.

Third Graders running Kindergarden Lunch Money Mafias
take in more dough…LOL.

A catalog of Madoff’s assets provided by his attorneys to the SEC on Dec. 31 hasn’t revealed any major sources of additional cash, a person familiar with the matter said. Madoff said before his arrest that he had as much as $300 million remaining, according to the agency’s complaint.

SEC spokesman John Heine and Ira Sorkin, an attorney for Madoff, declined to comment.


49. marisacat - 3 January 2009

in which investors may have been cheated out of as much as $1 billion,

Would we even lift our heads for a billion dollar bilking.

50. diane - 3 January 2009

and no boohoohooman I’m not shadowthief, I’ve never posted as a “regular,” anywhere, without using my first name, the other, one time posts I’ve made on this aptly named web/net, were as “anonymous”…..although …..the shadow comment I made inlcluding Armando, likely led you there…….I don’t know who shadowthief is..


51. diane - 3 January 2009

you know,…… I keep some perspective,…… marisa…….

for you to state otherwise…….. is:

quite simply,


52. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Press TV

Palestinians resistance Hamas movement says its activists will hit Israeli troops hard and the Gaza Strip will turn out to be their graveyard.

“Your incursion into Gaza will not be a walk in the park and Gaza will become your cemetery God willing,” Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan noted as he read a statement on Hamas’s Al-Aqsa television network.

Addressing Israelis, the Hamas official added, “You do not have any other choice but to unconditionally end the aggression and lift the blockade. You will not enjoy security as long as our people don’t have any.”

Radwan made the remarks shortly after Israel launched a ground offensive in Gaza late Saturday.

The ground incursion occurred in the enclave following a week of aerial and naval bombardment of the Gaza Strip. While only six Israelis have died and 16 have been wounded since last Saturday, Israeli airstrikes in Gaza have left over 2,300 Palestinians injured and at least 460 dead including many women and children. ….

53. diane - 3 January 2009

are you okay marisa.?…hang on in there hon …………………………

54. marisacat - 3 January 2009


I am fine.

55. diane - 3 January 2009

kisses to ya hon….we are on some incredibaly hard roads filled with red clay. (“hard pan” – in Cali)….and hopefully some truly heart felt laughs….ever once in that while……………………………

56. diane - 3 January 2009

…..hey hey hey….if..those sequoia sempvirens could stand tall…… so ….

can you…………

57. diane - 3 January 2009

….say hon…….a pair of hop along boots and a pistol that shoots……

we alll care…….but what a fuckin muck……

58. mattes - 3 January 2009

Hey diane we care, yes we do:

Israel breaks ceasefire to derail peace efforts:


59. BooHooHooMan - 3 January 2009

Looks Like Franken got it.
A certain rendezvous in court that is…LOL.
he picked up ?180 in the absentees?

So Man Titz has threatened physically barring Burris,
oh that should be good as Burris supporters are likely
to sledge their way in with a block of mausoleum granite, while Burris old lady clobbers Reid with a family Bibble,
Birthday Cake CKS is waiting in the wings in NY
and Cornyn is going to fillibuster Franken…

God I love this Country

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

I just heard some zionist on CNN say that he couldn’t understand why the Palestinians blame their plight on Israel instead of Hamas, since their economy has been horrible since Hamas took over.

Seriously, said it with a straight face.

61. diane - 3 January 2009

…56…oooh jeeez….men…well hon, can you call hickory farms for me and find out why the fuck the summer sausage my ro bought me for xmas..(from hickory farms…hope that’s not near where that grinnen nigaa, likely a relative of mine, helped that asshole die BOLD….give shrub the putrid mess).had some quite nasty, funky …mold on it…….

62. mattes - 3 January 2009

MM, the lies are coming HOT and heavy.

63. Intermittent Bystander - 3 January 2009

Interesting conversation with my friend in the NYS Assembly (infrastructure, that is) last night.

He’s rooting for an upset Andrew Cuomo ascension to Senate, so as to get him the HELL out of state politics. “He’d make a GREAT senator! He’s a real PRICK!”

Among other amusing details, I learned that Andrew (the AG of NYS, for those elsewhere trying to follow along or give a shit about the state that brought you all Wall Street, for starters!) calls himself “The General” when he identifies himself on the phone. Before launching into abusive tirades.

Not to detract from his record of hard work, brains, and relative competence.
From serving as Mario’s hatchet man in the early days, to his lofty years as Housing Dude under Clinton, to now, when apparently his lust for righteous vengeance and gift for perseverence happen to combine with a good and just mission from time to time, etcetera.

(Not entirely unlike Spttttzer, methinks in passing?)

PS: The deevorce with KKKerry KKKennedy was uggggggly! The family wickets at present are beyond sticky!

Anywaze, my friend’s take on Sheldon Silver’s (a) overt and on-the-record nose-wrinkling at Caroline’s, you know, CCCampaign (lotsa hoots about the video takes there) and (b) moonwalking as-in-walkbacking, conciliatory remark the other day were (a) very unusual, for him, tactically – he’s a cool player, keeps cards to the vest, ordinarily, and doesn’t tip his hand prematurely, blah blah, and (b) an indication that something more subtle than capitulation is going on.

“He knows something.”

Whaddyamean, I aksed (being a woeful – and I do mean woeful! – ignoramus of in-state political gossip, despite my close proximity to the buildings wherein much of the action takes place . . . or doesn’t, for reasons as architecturally complex as some o those buildings).

He knows something about what?

Answer was (a) it’s either something about Paterson’s Preferred Pick that isn’t yet obvious to the public, or (b – the obvious conclusion) the Princess is in the bag, thank you Bloomberg, and enjoy the opera, but Shelly’s gotta run his whole slate – from Da Gov! to AG Andrew! to Schmuckie Schumer, on dooooooown – under whoever the heck it’s gonna gonna gonna be.

Couldn’t quiz him too much further than that, under social circumstances, but thought I’d pass on the wee gleanings.

I’m about at the end of several 08-09 ropes in good ol’ “real life” right now. My tolerance for debate about the bloody shitty conflicts currently underway is right about zero.

Friend concurred when told of Paterson’s press release on Gaza.


Fresh out of words, here in cold and yet noisy NY.

64. catnip - 3 January 2009

My favourite phrase du jour from some Israeli spokespuppet asked about the number of Palestinian wounded and dead: “atrocity propaganda”.

I find that interesting because once those numbers are confirmed, he’ll already have admitted that it’s an “atrocity”. Whoops.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

CNN US cut off CNN International’s interview with a Palestinian spokesperson for no apparent reason.

CNN international has no problem letting Mark Regev lie his ass off for several minutes … though Amanpour is calling him on some of it. Regev is claiming that the “arab street” has turned against Hamas.

66. Intermittent Bystander - 3 January 2009

Think I’m in the pod of moditude.

62 – Atriosity.

67. diane - 3 January 2009

….don’t mind me….I’m envious of ya’ll males physical energy….while ya’lll couldn’t sit still and reflect for much of a “female” moment…it takes two to tango!…it takes at least two…too feel that painful ) really fockin painful) thing …..some name love

janno habib don’t know the hebrew…amigo, amigas, don’t know the asian maybe someday I’ll learn….once again….my lack of familiarity stops me in my tracks……

well carry on….blood to be let….snark to be emitted so we all can pretend to assist someone back up on thier feet once we’ve let em have it.

68. diane - 3 January 2009

……mattes, is it the shimouti orange… that tad bitter umbrella shaped orange tree….at some point named – the palestinian orange?

it’s really not a good idea to bomb folks living a simple life………

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

al Jazeera has a Gaza Twitter feed up.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

I always laugh at these stories:

Obama’s Team Rankles the Right
To Some Conservatives, Advisers Are Alarmingly Liberal

To some staunch conservatives watching President Bush relinquish the reins of power to President-elect Barack Obama, a few too many ardent liberals are now crashing the gates.

Some well-known Democratic activists are advising Obama on how to steer federal agencies, including a few whom conservative Republicans fought hard to keep out of power in the Clinton administration. They include Roberta Achtenberg, a gay activist whose confirmation as an assistant housing secretary was famously held up by then-Sen. Jesse Helms (N.C.), and Bill Lann Lee, who was hotly opposed by foes of affirmative action and temporarily blocked from the government’s top civil rights job.

Conservatives fear that some of these Obama transition advisers are too far left on the political spectrum and are a sign of radical policies to come.

“It is disturbing,” said Roger Clegg, a conservative opponent of Lee’s appointment who is now watching the Obama advisers at the Justice Department. “The transition team as described to me was made up of nothing but people on the far left. Though Obama is more moderate, that makes you wonder what kind of advice the president is given, and what range of choices he’ll be given when it comes time to make appointments.”

If they’re to the far left, then we all are waaaaay out past the object-formerly-known-as-a-planet Pluto.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

The U.S. Attorney Question Partially Answered

In a meeting last month with the Barack Obama’s transition staff, representatives of the nation’s top prosecutors caught a glimpse of the president-elect’s thinking on the politically fraught issue of what to do with the the current 93 U.S. attorneys.

“[The president-elect] is going to be smart and be cautious. My gut feeling is it won’t be like it was in 1993,” said U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton of Texas’ Western District, a member of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys. On Dec. 11, Sutton and 15 other members of the committee met with Obama’s DOJ transition chief, David Ogden, and his staff at the Justice Department to advise them on law enforcement issues and to point out areas the committee believes require special attention.

At the meeting, Ogden briefly discussed the U.S. attorney issue, though he said he had had no role in deciding who stays and who goes, according to one committee member. Ogden, a partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr, is reportedly the leading candidate for the Justice Department’s No. 2 spot.

Sutton declined to characterize Ogden’s comments but said he left the meeting with the impression that the president-elect will address the U.S. attorneys individually. “I think they’re going to work on a case-by-case basis,” said Sutton, who as a member of the Bush-Cheney transition took part in similar meetings before he was a committee member.

A Justice Department official declined to discuss the committee’s recommendations to the transition staff or Ogden’s comments regarding the fate of the current set of U.S. attorneys. “It was a productive, informational meeting,” the official said. The transition team also met with members of the civil chiefs working group and members of the criminal chiefs working group, which are extensions of the advisory committee.

72. diane - 3 January 2009

…..shamouti citrus….blosseming despite such deep shade…….

nothing, will ever kill a well meant kiss………….;0)

there’s plenty of food and warmth on this fucker……and when will we get to that…..

AHHH well Mr.cheneyGorebush clintoncasey gellmand and whoever the fuck wrote legacy of Ashes….Oh yes MR Weiner….(how did you not puke out your guts when you heard all of that….what should I make of you as human being, hanging out with murderer’s…..NOT TO PARDON CHE IF CHE WAS IN FACT MURDEROUS….I actually don’t have a clue Armando….perhaps you do, perhaps …in fact you don’t……) yes, how were you so cozy to all the secrets, mr author?….. kennedyhelmsdulles fordnixon skip wilsey, wlsney? and forrestor? and Mr. Clooney, MS. Jolie capitalistessa when was the last time yall licked your frikken plate clean?

do I want anarchy…bloodshed…no….but it certainly appears your pals have been brewed in it…..you don’t know the answer ….anymore than I do.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

Could this be the return of Gubmint cheese??

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009

Resistance Is Not Futile

In time, I returned to the issue, helped mightily by online access, which has had a positive effect on the overall Middle East debate. Many comments at Daily Kos, Firedoglake, Glenn Greenwald’s and Matt Yglesias’ sites are encouraging, but not an end in themselves. For while many people are waking up to the reality, there are still those who claim that Palestinians are a Nazi race that deserves annihilation, making asinine, ahistorical comparisons to Hitler’s Germany or Hirohito’s Japan. Yet, by pushing such bizarre equivalency, those supportive of Israeli violence expose their empty arguments to a large audience. The more people read how Hamas is the modern day version of the Third Reich, then look at the actual facts on the ground, the less seriously they’ll take what’s considered the “pro-Israel” position. For if you must rely on this type of argumentation, then your shit is already weak, something that is becoming clearer by the day.

This doesn’t mean that elite opinion will radically change overnight, especially on the cable nets, where Israeli aggression is routinely hailed. But it does show a new awareness stirring from below. That doesn’t bode well for the warmongers and their apologists. They may control us militarily and economically, but their propaganda is fooling less and less people. Resistance is steadily building. Let’s put our HOPE in that, rather than project it on politicians who serve the propagandists.

75. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Very sorry! I fell sound asleep and the Moderation filter went insane.

mattes, Madman, IB, diane all out of Moderatrion

😳 x 2

76. diane - 3 January 2009

as hideous and ugly as things appear matttes…my speck of thought….is that most aren’t murderous…how it got to this murderous point?

please don’t ask me matttes …i don’t have a frikken clue…

one day, have to tell you about something I heard on the radio in disfuntional Pittsburgh Pennsylvania…from a nigga in a wheel chair…about some lame asshole nicknamed “SNUFFY”…who refused to carry a gun…well…I’ll tell a bit that I recollect…could be biased,…may not be,……snuffy was ridiculed for his conscientious objection….one day…someone from Viet Nam, had “Snuffy”, in his sights……(likely a mess becasuse someone from the US had a part in blowing the Vietnamese person’s loved one(s) to smithereens….)

apparantly the haunted man who called in the radio, maybe was one of those who threw SNUFFY, a gun, because SNUFFY, was unarmed….and apparently (likely, because I don’t believe the man relating his reality was lying)…SNUFFY, took aim and then deliberately dropped the gun……SNUFFY,…..will live FOREVER……

oops, well I told it, sometimes I surprise myself……………..

so many hugs and kisses to that badass nigga in a wheelchair who actually had the courage to state…that SNUFFY, knew what he was about (paraphrasing)….we didn’t…..

77. diane - 3 January 2009

….but let’s have at…for of course…we will…won’t we…………..

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 January 2009
79. diane - 3 January 2009

and mattes, I’m certainly not saying I wouldn’t shoot back……I’m just saying that SNUFFY has my eternal adoration…..that’s what I call …… humanity, at its finest…………………

Yes….LOL to the FUKKA that gets on my LAST NERVE……………honey…….;0)

80. diane - 3 January 2009

well oopsie, in case anyone is dense……SNUFFY was shot in the head, he died, physically.

81. marisacat - 3 January 2009

bloomie and cop kelly say we all support israel.

uh, no.

82. marisacat - 3 January 2009


Just catching up to the thread.. Thanks for the info on Silver and Caroline and others from your friend ..

I noticed Silver used sort of informative words, as in,
“I seems to me that Paterson is likely to select Caroline…”

not verbatim but close…

83. marisacat - 3 January 2009

Times Online on remote launch of the Hamas rockets.. and info on funding and sources of materiel.

Nevertheless, Hamas’s ability to keep launching rockets presented Israel with a serious dilemma. Should it call off the offensive in the face of increasing international pressure fuelled by civilian casualties? Or should it send tanks across the border in a last blitz aimed at destroying the Hamas infra-structure?

84. marisacat - 3 January 2009

5th day running, SF protests…

The San Francisco rally – the fifth last week – was small and peaceful compared to many elsewhere in the world.

85. marisacat - 4 January 2009

gnu post…………………


……………….. 8) …………………..

86. lucid - 4 January 2009

Diane – I have to say this. Your posts are completely senseless and void of meaning. And when you routinely attack various people who post here, I wonder why you continue if you sooo hate us…

I would suggest taking your sideshow elsewhere. I, for one, am not interested.

87. mattes - 4 January 2009

I thought I was the only one!

88. diane - 10 January 2009

86 & 87

No surprise there………………………..

89. diane - 10 January 2009

No suprise either………

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