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Blood Storm 6 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.

PALESTINIANS-ISRAEL/An Israeli soldier shouts during scuffles with Palestinian stone-throwers at Qalandiya checkpoint near the West Bank city of Ramallah December 29, 2008. REUTERS/Eric Gaillard (WEST BANK)

An Israeli soldier shouts during scuffles with Palestinian stone-throwers at Qalandiya checkpoint near the West Bank city of Ramallah December 29, 2008. [REUTERS/Eric Gaillard]

From Lenin, At what point does it become Genocide:

[T]here is also an aspect of territorial expansionism in this war, which will squeeze the population of Gaza into an even tighter, more overpopulated and less viable space. The threatening phone calls and leaflets being dropped on Gaza, it is now confirmed, comprise part of an ethnic cleansing operation starting in the north of Gaza similar to that attempted in southern Lebanon in 2006. The Guardian reports that 15,000 people have responded to the threats by fleeing major urban centres such as Beit Hanoun. The next step is surely the annexing of a sizeable portion of Gaza (or ‘the Land of Israel’ as Israeli politicians call it and any other territory they think belongs to them by right) under the rubric of creating a ‘security zone’. (It was reported as early as March last year that the Israeli government was considering an operation to secure such ends.) Israel now claims that its aim is to drive Hamas out of Gaza. Taken literally, and on Israel’s own terms, this would mean the expulsion of the greater part of the population of Gaza.

The ‘tihur’ (often translated as ‘transfer’, but closer to ‘purification’) element of Zionist thought is, as Benny Morris has written, in-built. Even if he were right to claim that there was no actual plan to expel the Palestinian Arab population, the process was ineluctable once the war for control of Palestine got under way. ‘Tihur’ has involved, since 1967, a slow-burning process of colonisation, displacement, occupation, the destruction of communities, massacres and expulsion. Both settler-colonists and their backers in the Israeli army engage in routine violence to destroy Palestinian property and enclose it for the ever-expanding colonies.  ..snip..

On and on it goes:

[A]lthough the public justification for such violence involves an obnoxiously self-righteous language about resisting ‘terrorism’, the ongoing concern with the ‘demographic timebomb’ and the repeated proposals for ‘transfer’ (always peaceful, always benevolent, as it was in early Zionist ideology) somewhat give the game away. The very existence of the Palestinians as a people is being treated as an existential threat to Israel. Since Israel has never shown any sign of being willing to accept a Palestinian state and live within even the 1967 boundaries, the logic of such a position is to find a way to dispose of the Palestinian residents of the occupied territories.

This is not new, nor is it an artefact of the rise of Israel’s far right. Israeli leaders, both Labour and Likud, have tried to find ways to drive hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of the occupied territories. Meir Cohen once regretted Israel’s “grave mistake” in not expelling between two and three hundred thousand Palestinians from the West Bank in 1967. Yitzhak Rabin thought that the demographic problem was best solved by creating conditions that would produce “natural and voluntary” migration from the territories to Jordan, and believed that King Hussein and Arafat had to be engaged to this purpose.

Obviously, the creation of terror, immiseration, starvation and increasing confinement is one way to help bring this about.


Couple more Gaza blogs:

http://palestinianpundit.blogspot.com/  Palestinian Pundit has posts thru today, Jan 6…



the latest entry from Tabula Gaza is this, on January 3

“I have decided not leave our house even if I die. All the people have decided this, we won’t resettle again.”

At 8:50pm:

“The ground incursion on us started now.”

S. is a refugee from near Beer Sebea 80km from his current home on the border between two refugee camps in the Northern Gaza Strip.


A barrage of four Palestinian Qassam rockets leave smoke trails in the sky as they are fired by Hamas militants on January 6, 2009 inside the Gaza Strip towards the Israeli town of Sderot as seen from Israel's border with the Palestinian territory. Israel is intensifying its wide-scale ground assault against the Gaza Strip in an effort to put an end to Hamas rocket attacks against the Jewish State.  (Photo by David Silverman/Getty Images)

GAZA BORDER, ISRAEL – JANUARY 6: A barrage of four Palestinian Qassam rockets leave smoke trails in the sky as they are fired by Hamas militants on January 6, 2009 inside the Gaza Strip towards the Israeli town of Sderot as seen from Israel’s border with the Palestinian territory. Israel is intensifying its wide-scale ground assault against the Gaza Strip in an effort to put an end to Hamas rocket attacks against the Jewish State. (Photo by David Silverman/Getty Images)

Absolutely, the whole story is the rockets.  Right right right…


Just seeing that Lenin has a post up on the UN school bombing…

It’s short so I am taking a liberty and posting in full:

That’s the trouble with ‘taking refuge’ from Israeli attacks. The IDF don’t recognise refuge when they’re out to kill. What is more, it has a history of attacking UN facilities because, apart from anything else, the UN sometimes says mean things about Israel. During the Lebanon war, the IDF punished the UN for its mealy-mouthed criticisms by attacking UNIFIL positions fifteen times.

As John Ging of the UN points out, not only is the school clearly marked with UN flags and insignia, the GPS coordinates and full details of all UN facilities in Gaza are known to Israel. That this was a school was known to Israeli forces. They presumably also knew that locals were hiding there, petrified, scared out of their minds by what Israel is doing. So, the Israelis sent a clear message that, as Ging also says, “nowhere in Gaza is safe”.

Let it be repeated, until the message gets through: Operation Cast Lead is an unmistakeable and vicious attack on the civilian population of Gaza.


Oh here is a laugh amidst the blood. I say send him as Special Envoy, Special Friend to Ratz and Ganswein. Let him wear similar outfits (he’d look so silly!)… he’s likely been a Vatican operative for years.

Tony Blair, the envoy to the Middle East for the Quartet, declared the outlines of a ceasefire agreement was emerging and called on Hamas to halt all rocket attacks and suicide bombings on Israel.

He’s so far behind.



1. marisacat - 6 January 2009

HA! Just got the Harper’s weekly index, which leads off…

Israel extended its occupation of the Gaza strip, sending in ground forces and cutting the territory in two. Hamas
fired 32 missiles at Israel. The Palestinian health ministry reported that more than 500 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including 21 children, have been killed so far; the Israeli military stated that 80 percent of the Palestinian dead were members of Hamas. “We don’t intend neither to occupy Gaza nor to crush Hamas, but to crush
explained Israeli President Shimon Peres. “And
Hamas needs a real and serious lesson.” “We have
restrained ourselves for a long time,”
said Israeli
Defense Minister Ehud Barak

2. marisacat - 6 January 2009

I see from Times Online that it is a TANK that opened up on the UN school.

And it caused Obster to find a tongue. Any tongue, but one that worked. Briefly.

The death of forty-two people in an Israeli attack at a UN-run school in Gaza today finally forced Barack Obama to break his silence over the conflict.

“The loss of civilian life in Gaza and Israel is a source of deep concern for me,” the US President-elect said.

But he would not be drawn further, promising to abide by his principle that only George W. Bush would speak for American foreign policy while he was still president. Mr Obama added that would have plenty more to say after his January 20 inauguration.

He will now take a renewed vow of silencio. A man of principle. And don’t you forget it!

New issue, is he a concern troll?

3. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Both Times Online and Telegraph seem to slide back and forth… air attack, or shelled by a tank.

My guess: BOTH.

The close of the Telegraph report has the handy dandy all important count and amount:

Israel suffered its heaviest losses of the campaign on Monday when three soldiers were killed and 24 wounded in northern Gaza when one of their own tanks shelled a building where they were resting.

The school deaths raised to 75 the number of Palestinian civilians killed on Tuesday alone, according to medical officials.

They said four militants also were killed in fighting during the day and put the total Palestinian death toll since Israel began the offensive on Dec. 19 at 629.

More than 2,700 Palestinians have been wounded since Israel began the campaign with the declared aim of ending Hamas rocket attacks on its southern towns. Nine Israelis, including three civilians hit by rocket fire, have been killed in the conflict.

At least five rockets fired from the Gaza Strip landed in Israel on Tuesday, including one that hit the town of Gadera, 28km (17 miles) from Tel Aviv, police said. A three-year-old girl was wounded.

Angry Arab was very cynical yesterday when it was reported as “friendly fire”, the 3 mil deaths on the Israeli side. As though they could nto countenance any other possibility. Not that I know…

4. mattes - 6 January 2009

Hamas needs a real and serious lesson.”

A bunch of psychopaths.

This is worse than Lebanon.

The general pattern described above, and more particularly the devastation visited on Gaza, remind me of an especially harrowing sequence from a fine film, Hud. The story concerns a cattle rancher and his family. It is discovered that some of the cattle have contracted hoof and mouth disease. To prevent the spread of the disease, and because he can think of no other means to control it, the head of the family decides that all the cattle must be destroyed.

A large pit is dug, deep enough to prevent the cattle from getting out. The cattle are driven into the pit, with all means of escape closed off. The men stand around the edges of the pit, and they lift their rifles. They begin to shoot — and they shoot, and shoot, and shoot, and shoot.

Finally, after endless, terrifying minutes, all the cattle are dead.

Cattle, the inhabitants of Gaza … what’s the difference? They’re all animals and subhumans, diseased or possibly diseased, incapable of being saved, beyond redemption. Kill them all.

And the world watches — and the world does nothing.



5. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Via Truth Out

Dahr Jamail | The Monstrosity of War


Dahr Jamail:

“Agence France-Presse reports that the first person killed when the Israeli military began to enter Gaza on Saturday was a Palestinian child. On Sunday, a Palestinian woman and her four children were blown to pieces when Israeli warplanes bombed their home. They are among the 521 victims (at the time of this writing) of the ongoing air and ground assault on the Gaza Strip by a 9,000 strong force, which the Israeli government has launched on one of the most densely populated tracts of land in the world, home to 1.5 million Palestinians, half of them under 17 years of age.”

6. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Actually I am very heartened by the protests… SF is ongoing, daily. Yesterday was day 7. All peaceful, but noisy and boisterous.

I see Israeli Embassies as coming under siege of protest. Something sparked in Greece. It will falter and waver, but I think it is not going to die out.

Nor is ObsterMan doing shit to change things. So, wretched as it all is, things will get worse.

7. marisacat - 6 January 2009

BBC has a vid of a IDF captain defending the school attack.

Captain Elie Isaacson of the Israeli Defence Force said that they had had “major operational successes” in Gaza.

He told the BBC’s Ben Brown that the Israeli army wants to “get this thing finished as soon as possible”.

8. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Not to worry! According ot the Israelis, Hamas was firing from the school yard.


The Israeli military said Hamas militants had fired mortar shells at Israeli forces, prompting return fire, according to its initial investigation.

U.N. Relief and Works Agency Director John Ging said most of the casualties were outside the school in the Jabalya refugee camp.

“It’s a very built-up area, so of course it was entirely inevitable that if artillery shells landed in that area there would be a high number of casualties,” he said at a U.N. briefing from Gaza City.

Palestinian sources said 44 were killed in the attack.

9. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Also in the CNN report (and these were helpfylly photographed in the media early am, I saw)

The Israeli military said 80 trucks with humanitarian aid would be allowed to pass into Gaza on Tuesday at the Kerem Shalom crossing.

So they can bomb them over the other side of the check points?

10. mattes - 6 January 2009

The IDF was taken over long time ago…by the torah thumping settlers who are just carrying out their god given right of genocide. They know no rules. And they have Israelis behind them.

…and it seems our own politicians.

11. marisacat - 6 January 2009

well that presupposes there was a good IDF.

Just don’t think so. In Exodus “stories” of the great freedom fighters morphing into modern Israel maybe, but not in RL.

12. mattes - 6 January 2009

True…silly of me.

13. marisacat - 6 January 2009

BTW, this hs been boiling for days out here… and at least to my knowledge has not broken thru to MSM

Sf Chronicle link

(01-05) 22:30 PST PST Oakland — Five days have passed since a BART police officer shot and killed an unarmed rider on a station platform, but the officer has not given a statement to investigators about what happened and the transit agency has apparently not forced him to do so.

The delay comes as witnesses emerge with their accounts of what happened, some with video footage of the incident recorded on cellular phones. The hold-up is one reason why BART officials – even in the face of public outcry – have said little publicly about the shooting, including whether they believe it was justified.

BART has not released the officer’s name, but The Chronicle has learned that the officer is two-year BART police veteran Johannes Mehserle, who turned 27 on Monday and whose first child was born within a day or two of the shooting – an event that may be a contributing factor to why Mehserle has not yet explained the shooting to investigators.

Mehserle could not be reached for comment on Monday.

Officials have only said that Mehserle’s gun discharged, killing 22-year-old Oscar Grant of Hayward. He had been detained and forced to lie chest down on the ground at Oakland’s Fruitvale Station after 2 a.m. in the chaotic aftermath of a fight on BART on New Year’s Day. BART has promised a thorough probe, and Alameda County prosecutors are investigating as well, as is standard in officer-involved shootings.

But the delay is troubling to John Burris, the Oakland attorney who is representing Grant’s family and who plans to file a $25 million damage claim today against the transit agency, a legal precursor to a civil lawsuit. Burris is also calling for the officer to be charged criminally….snip…

The cops confiscated cell phones at the scene, and have had no word on the film they have in custody.. HOWEVER, bit by bit, two they do not have, have surfaced… the first was a bit off angle. The second is a full on broad shot of the kill. He is face down, handcuffed, except for th tension in the cops the whole thing seems under control (story was two groups were fighting) and then he is shot in the back, by a cop who pulls out his gun.

I don’t know if Mehserli is one who has undergone special training with ex IDF but BART sure as hell has had that, under the auspices of the CA Homeland Dept. Achtung! and all that.

14. marisacat - 6 January 2009

LOL 🙄 😆

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Barack Obama Taps CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta for Surgeon General [3:30 p.m. ET]

15. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

All said IMHO, but here it is:

Boycott Israel.
Deny Patronage to Jewish Firms and Professionals Locally..

No signs, no violence, not at all.
It IS one. small. available.non violent option though.
One option to make resources your voice.
Take your patronage elsewhere.
It’s very hard to do with congloms, the seemingly low cost shit purveyors who should be avoided for myriads of reasons anyways..
But With smaller firms or matters of discretion in Services: HealthCare, Law, Small Service firms etc….
Not a dime of billables going to Jewish Doctors, Lawyers,and Biz Types if it can be avoided.
Jewelry and Bling? Forget it.
Yeh it HAS come down to this:
May The Chosen be palled- by silent economic, social sanction
descending upon them.

Fuck ’em.

I don’t know what its like on the West Coast, but we get coupons small fliers etc. in the door where there is always some exceptional jacakass touting their biz service or practise with a little plug for their church or congregation (a radiant cross is often the clip art.). LOL.

They immediately go on my list for the Last Stop on Earth for whatever their pitch is…

I am SO beyond Zionist and Christischer Propoganda and their LIES that they’re not Cabal-esque…GMAFB.

16. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

14 Sanjay Gupta for Surgeon General

Oh My fuckin word . Again, Mcat – You’re kidding me, right?!
WTF?! Are you turning this place into The Onion or something? LOL.

I think they engineer these people in a lab somewhere.

17. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Times Online. The multi layer cake of hypocrisy.

Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, said that a ceasefire could be put in place only if Hamas were prevented from rearming and ended rocket attacks into Israel.

“I have dedicated the past two years to reach a peace agreement with Syria and the Palestinians. I am not a man of war; I am a man of compromise. I am a man of peace, whose conditions of compromise may be painful, but will bring peace to the people of Israel,” he said.

18. mattes - 6 January 2009

# 15 boohoo, isn’t this what the Jews did to the Germans?

Sanjay Gupta…VERY pro-pharma. They will be delighted.

19. marisacat - 6 January 2009


Remember he’s from jakarta. never heard of Chicago. His heart is with the S Asians. He told the fabulously wealthy desi who gathered here in SF a few months ago… 28.5 thousand per couple, their event was the top tier of a three tier fundraiser. it was the night Pelosi said “he is sent by god”.

20. marisacat - 6 January 2009

FAIR has a round up piece on the media reporting on Gaza and who broke the truce. Etc.


21. marisacat - 6 January 2009

War in Context editorial. Uses the Israeli government graf that shows the rockets fell away to nohting, til the Nov 5 Israeli break of the truce.

And the editorial offers a suggestion as to what Obster could say. When someone gives him a tongue, that is. (As of this am, he likes chocolate AND vanilla) I read at least a couple weeks ago comments from Obster indicating no real plans for this big speech in some Muslim capitol. Somwhere or other, maybe on Mars.

If Obama continues to remain silent he will implicitly be sending a message to Israelis, Palestinians, and everyone else across the Arab world. His silence will be seen and will have the operational effect of providing an endorsement for Israel’s war on Gaza. His silence will set the tone for his whole approach to the Middle East. If his plan to give a major speech in a Muslim capital has not already been put on hold, it might as well now be scrapped.

But there is an alternative. This is what Obama can and should say:

I support the Israeli government in its goal of providing security for its citizens. However, I believe that the current operation in Gaza is unlikely to serve that goal and in the long run may further undermine Israel’s security.

What can Israel do now? Pull back its troops, offer to renew the truce and lift the siege.

22. marisacat - 6 January 2009

In Gaza has a new post up. She is right out in it, if she lives thru it, will be some kind of miracle.

Relying on hearsay here tho, just as a caution:

The Shifa director also told me that emergency medics still cannot reach the Zaytoun house that yesterday morning was bombed with inhabitants locked inside. There are two main accounts of the story, both criminal.

One: Israeli soldiers rounded up the inhabitants of the multi-story house, separated the men –15, I was told–and shot them point blank in front of the women and children of the family, 20, I was told. Then, laid explosives around the house and bombed the rest of the extended family.

Two: Israeli soldiers rounded up the inhabitants of the multi-story house, locked them in one room for a day, and bombed it the following morning.

Either way, Israeli soldiers intentionally imprisoned and bombed the inhabitants of the house. And are actively preventing medics from reaching any potential survivors. The medics have tried to coordinate with the ICRC (international committee of the red cross) without success: no one can reach the house.

23. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

18 mattes re boycotts..
boohoo, isn’t this what the Jews did to the Germans?

Post War- (as if that’s ever been really the case) Post World War ll to be more precise, there were efforts…..And , as generalizations go, at least in our neck of the Mid Atlantic — the likelihood was rare for quite some time that you”d see Jews or many other people opting for German cars…Who should criticize that? Preety much out the window with the Bug and the commoditization of Mercedes BMW etc..

But any calls for Boycotts NOW via private economic sanction are conflated into the very Public Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses that occurred after Hitler and the Jackboots came to power in 1933. It is conflated as some precurser analogous to Kristallnacht in 1938.

Which of course is Utter Bullshit.

Everyone is entitled to place resources where they wish.
To bad some seem more entitled than others.

The Big BIG Diff is Boycotts are non violent despite the energy and backflips that Zionists and Capitalists at the Trough invest in labeling economic “collateral “damage.

Straight up: people can debate
the legitimacy or efficacy
of targetted Boycotts as easily as they can debate
the legitimacy or efficacy of “Smart” Bombs, Snipings Assassination or Phospho ,..whether its “legitimate” or not.. But

WRT conflating it with Nazis, Nazism or the Holocaust.

So, Fuck ’em x 2.

24. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Looks like the UK press (Telegraph) is getting some versions of the family killed, maybe as many as a 100…as recounted just above by In Gaza.

25. marisacat - 6 January 2009

the likelihood was rare for quite some time that you”d see Jews or many other people opting for German cars…

As IOZ says, we are all Romans now.

26. marisacat - 6 January 2009


I ahve been to the Boycott Israel site. Very hard to figure out how very much has to be boycotted. It’s ENDLESS… between those who dedicate a portion of profits or do extensive business in Israel..etc.

Plus how do I boycott my own fucking country? I’d happily migrate to some island if I was physically more mobile.

The worst is the investment, beyond our control in Israeli instruemtns, investment funds etc. That public money is all tied up in that. Big retirement funds and so on.

27. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Action email from NOW… excuse me, but the Democrats hawked votes based on Lily Ledbetter. She campaigned iwth them. She spoke at the convention. I believe she spoke the same night that obster gave his dull acceptance speech at the Big Sports Loc… Why is extra exhortation needed.???

Action Needed:

Two important bills, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (H.R. 11) and the Paycheck Fairness Act (H.R. 12), will be among the House of Representatives’ first votes of the 111th Congress. Please take time now to call or email your representative and urge her/him to vote for these bills that will help reduce wage discrimination against women. The votes could come as early as Wednesday, Jan. 7, but might possibly be held off until Friday, Jan. 9.

Regardless, please send your message — by sending an email through our website or calling your House member’s office. The U.S. Capitol switchboard number is 202-224-3121; just ask to be connected to your representative’s office and leave a message of support for these bills.

28. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

..how do I boycott my own fucking country?

Those two chicken breasts the other night…
Was that reallly necessary? LOL

Seriously though… It is a quandry and until there are more precise socially conscious living tools alot of it will be misguided –kind of like my joking ass self in this case -the asshole – who suggests cooking less when incremental costs for dinner are minimal not to mention the blessed upside of chicken later…

Nonetheless until they come up with militaristassholefreeliving.com with real accessible data on who’s who wrapped up in congloms, I do try to buy as little as I need or want that’s “New”…
other than food that is, though I’ve been known to make offers on nearby diner’s plates:::.You through with that?
How ’bout three bucks for the linguini?

Imagine the heads that would explode though, if someone offered a blunt, financial and political profiling service to check out doing small business with prospective So and Soes

Firm: McSo, O’So, an Soberg:
RealDeal: Opus Dei Pederasts & Flamethrowing Zionist Behind it all.

LOL. Okay. So it needs a little tweaking.

We do a few things, buy as much foodstuffs locally through an old place that get’s their stuff every day from huge wholesale markets in Philly and New York…Bank at a small credit union where you can see who the board is and vote on them. Drive used vehics from private sellers…The whole buy local- theoretically at least – takes the energy input out of the value added equation…

That said I do like innovative well built stuff, Can’t walk into a bookstore without buying something, and have to have broadband. My own clothes mysteriously come and go in cycles, replenished by filial fiat it seems.

The latest in presentable Dad cladding just seems to show up in the one linear foot of closet space and matchbook sized drawer I am allotted in Life….LOL.. Very heavy on the Sweaters, lately .
Lots of encroachment going on too.
Every once in a while I bust out and buy a trailer load of Jockey Shorts in all varieties prints and colors. It causes quite the stir here. LOL.

29. marisacat - 6 January 2009

well when I looked at the Boycott Israel site… one thing I thought is they need to select A company, or some interconnected companies (Nestle, water bottling and bottled water subs) do microscopic investigation… and then target very directly.

The way they are appraoching it is impossible.

Then again, the boycott here on table grapes was at least 5 years… I remember it very distinctly as a child… because my grandmother believed table grapes were close to medicinal. You felt unwell, she brought you bunches of table grapes. We were never without them. Until the long boycott.

… so long story short, the target of the protest was the “short hoe” and I read a few years ago, it is still in use.

30. marisacat - 6 January 2009

looks like Palestine Chronicle site has been hacked.


31. catnip - 6 January 2009


Every once in a while I bust out and buy a trailer load of Jockey Shorts in all varieties prints and colors.

TMI, sweetie.

32. catnip - 6 January 2009

Sanjay Gupta? Really? And who’s the new WH press secretary? Anderson Cooper?

33. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Goopta. Or soon to be Goooopta. The whole thing reeks.

34. catnip - 6 January 2009
35. NYCO - 6 January 2009

One of the funniest Onion stories ever.

Terror Experts Warn Next 9/11 Could Fall On Different Date

Though the DHS has identified more than 7,000 sensitive dates spanning the next 20 years, it did manage to rule out 4/15/04 and 10/38 as future 9/11s. The government report also confirmed that the next 9/11 would more than likely not involve an assault on the World Trade Center’s North and South towers as it has in previous attacks.

Furthermore, the 350-page document rejected long-held beliefs that the next 9/11 would commence at 8:46 a.m. on a sunny Tuesday morning. In fact, it warns that a future attack could occur on a cloudy, snowy, or even brisk day, at 8:53 a.m., 10:42 p.m., or any one of the other 1,440 known times.

36. marisacat - 6 January 2009

oh that is terribly funny!

Or the damned document, hard bound, could hit you…

the 350-page document

37. mattes - 6 January 2009

Marcat, that Defense Dept website with the charts of rockets was cleaned today.

The two graphs on my diary were removed. Bastards.

38. marisacat - 6 January 2009

It was getting around too much!

39. marisacat - 6 January 2009


I had sent it, the Israeli dot gov page with the grafs, to a host at KGO and had copied out the lower part of the page to the email, above and beyond sending the link (figuring like most media they are lazy).

Will forward to you.

40. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

they need to select A company, or some interconnected companies (Nestle, water bottling and bottled water subs) do microscopic investigation… and then target very directly.

I agree, It has to be focused

What you said is the smart move re microtargetting of specific operating units , having the goods on on the goods so to speak…

41. marisacat - 6 January 2009

well boycotting is a tough issue, when jobs globally are being lost.

A long segment last night on the almost total collapse of the recycling business, at least from the West Coast, they talked to CA firms and firms up the coast as well… was frightening. Dead halt. it scared me, and was not the first look at that business I had seen…

But if they did some complex forensic financial investigation, it might work.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

I borrowed a link and quote from your post above Mcat for a new post: Bury More Hearts.

43. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Don’t worry. the IDF did right. Not wrong. They even have the names of the two militants.


I heard a UN representative today say there is exactly ONE proven, following extensive investigation after event, incidence of the militants hiding on UN property. Think it was in Lebanon, the UN had fully evacuated and militants had taken over the site.

Don’t worry. Nothing to see.

44. marisacat - 6 January 2009

From Madman’s link at # 42

So drive them to hide in schools, then shell them. Warn them with leaflets and calls to leave their homes, then make it impossible to travel safely. Before Sand Creek, Black Kettle flew and American Flag over the encampment, having been promised that the flag would protect them from attack. How can you not see a parallel in tactics? Like us, there hasn’t been a treaty or agreement that the Israelis haven’t eagerly broken, blaming the weaker people for their perfidy. Instead of gold to entice settlements in contravention of solemn promises, in Israel it is water and fertile land. I believe areas being struck by Hamas rockets was occupied not that long ago by Palestinians, before it was slowly whittled away by Israeli expansionism.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

Tonight on Frontline: The Old Man and the Storm

After Hurricanes Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf Coast in the summer of 2005, the U.S. Congress appropriated an unprecedented $126.4 billion for relief, recovery and rebuilding efforts. While it seemed that sweat equity and billions of federal dollars would have been sufficient to bring back New Orleans, years later, much of the money committed to its residents had yet to reach them.

In The Old Man and the Storm, FRONTLINE correspondent and filmmaker June Cross journeys with the Gettridge family of New Orleans for 18 months as they endure devastation, political turmoil and a painstakingly slow bureaucratic process to rebuild their homes and their lives.

Cross meets 82-year-old Herbert Gettridge during the 2006 Mardi Gras celebration. He is skipping the festivities, choosing instead to clear debris from his front lawn. Not one of his neighbors for blocks has returned, and he is without electricity, gas or water.

A master plasterer and experienced builder, Gettridge is working to get the house in good enough shape for his wife, Lydia, who is staying with their daughter in Wisconsin, to return. “It took me too long, and I worked too hard to build what I had here to just pick up and leave like that,” Gettridge tells Cross.

Herbert and Lydia Gettridge raised nine children in the mostly African American neighborhood of the Lower Ninth Ward. Their house, which Mr. Gettridge built on land he purchased in 1943, took on 10 feet of water when the levees breached. Five of the Gettridge children also owned homes in New Orleans. They all lost everything. While some of the Gettridge children and grandchildren have decided not to return to New Orleans, three of them — Leonard, Ronald and Gale — have forged ahead with gutting and rebuilding their homes, even as the future of the city remains uncertain.

Over the year and a half that Cross follows him, Mr. Gettridge battles with the city to get his electricity turned on. He worries about bringing his wife, Lydia, who is in poor health, back to a city with a broken health care system. Dealing with insurance underpayments and skyrocketing rates, Mr. Gettridge navigates the bureaucracy and waits for federal rebuilding money promised through the state-run Road Home homeowner assistance program.

By the winter of 2007, 18 months after the flood, Herbert Gettridge and more than 100,000 other Louisiana homeowners had applied for money from the Road Home program, but fewer than 500 had received a check. Application rules seemed to change monthly as federal agencies argued over regulations. At one point, the whole program seemed in jeopardy after the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) told the state that each application required an environmental impact review.

46. marisacat - 6 January 2009

The clips I saw of the Frontline looked wonderful, alos of his own work, he is a master plasterer, very innovative work.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

I’ve just started watching it. Breaks my heart, all over again.

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

His plasterwork is amazing. Really, really beautiful.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

Michael Moore vs CNN’s Sanjay Gupta on Larry King Live

From all the hoopla around the release of “Sicko”.

50. marisacat - 6 January 2009

45 Eqyptian doctors are being blocked at Rafah crossing… snip on KGO, think it was a BBC feed.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

NPR did a story on doctors at the border yesterday:

PETER KENYON: Hi Steve. I’m traveling with the convoy from the Egyptian Relief Committee. These doctors in particular and volunteers are from Alexandria. They were up at 2 a.m. loading their donated supplies, medicines, gurneys for stretchers, some very basic stuff, as well as some more specialized equipment. And then they drove through the night. We picked them up outside of Cairo, and we’re now crossing the Sinai, getting close to the border. It has sent 10 tons of the medical supplies to the border already, this organization, and they also have a list of dozens of doctors who say they’re willing to go into Gaza and work alongside the Palestinian doctors, but so far they’re not being given permission to cross.

INSKEEP: If they don’t have permission to cross, why are they continuing toward the border? Are they hoping to almost shame people, or just get lucky?

KENYON: They are occasionally letting cargo through, and how it works is a truck will cross from the Egyptian side into the no-man’s-land of the border crossing area itself. It will be unloaded to a Palestinian truck, and those trucks will go on into Gaza. Now, that was working more or less all right with lots of delays up until the ground offensive started. And now that the Gaza strip has been cut and the internal transportation in Gaza is so difficult, it’s not clear if these supplies get across the border into Gaza – into the Rafiah side of the Gaza strip – whether they’ll make it to Gaza city or not.

INSKEEP: Peter, I know you’re moving there, but have you had an opportunity to talk with any of the people on this convoy and find out what motivates them to try this?

KENYON: I did. The first doctor I talked to actually turned out to be a pharmacist from Alexandria, and he’s going along to volunteer and help unload. And if he does manage to get across, he’ll do whatever he can. His wife is coming. If he gets stuck for several days, which he’s actually anticipating, his wife’s a pediatrician. There are, he says, dozens, probably, of doctors from around the world, from Europe, from Arab countries, camped out essentially at the Rafiah border crossing hoping for a chance to get across.

52. marisacat - 6 January 2009

well KGO is especially ugly tonight. We are so liberal here.


53. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

Ben Nelson is on Rachel Maddow claiming that the elections in Palestine didn’t count because Hamas had a militia. Maddow pointed out that the various factions in the Iraq government have militias … and he just ignored it. And she let him.


Anyway, new Perrin:

Since all “extremism” resides with the Palestinians (a genetic trait?), there’s no need for Israeli state apologists to review Zionist comments about Palestinians being sub-human and diseased; no need to discuss “demographic time bomb” fears among Israeli politicians, their version of worrying about Mexican birth rates in the US; no need to unearth Zionist statements and charters calling for a Greater Israel, however unlikely that seems at the moment; no need to recall how the Israeli mainstream insisted that the Palestinians simply didn’t exist — they were an “invention of some Jews with distorted minds,” as Golda Meir once put it; no need to be reminded of death squad leaders like Begin, Shamir, and Sharon, who became Israeli Prime Ministers. There’s no need to do any of this. Why? Because Israel cannot be “extremist.”

There’s also the colossal disparity in body counts, a disparity openly embraced and excused by Israeli statists. To tell those who you have surrounded and outgunned that you will slaughter 100 of them for every single Israeli killed is not “extremist” — it’s how democracies function. This also holds true in weaponry. Qassam rockets with variable range and destructive capabilities: “extremist.” F-16s, helicopter gunships, tanks, bunker busters and white phosphorus — democratic. It’s really quite simple once you learn the lingo.

For American supporters of Israeli violence, the use of “extremist” is even more inspired, especially when you recall some of the crazed reactions to the 9/11 attacks. If the United States was ever treated like Gaza, a Hamas-like reaction would doubtless be viewed by many Americans as appeasement. Qassam rockets? Fucking pacifists.

54. CSTAR - 6 January 2009

In August 2006 one of the first reactions I had to the aerial bombardment of Beirut was the similarity of that urban landscape to that of middle class residential areas of many other large cities in Latin America: São Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, Bogotá. The average family in these neighborhoods live in small apartments (100 m^2 is considered very large) located in generally very large apartment blocks. Every appliance and every piece of furniture in these apartments represents an investment for these families which is far more significant than the corresponding investment for families in the developed world.
I could easily imagine then the rage of a resident whose apartment and possesions had been destroyed. But then I felt less anger than sadness: In particular it was too much to bear to see how Haaretz’ Gideon Levy was vilified in comments to his editorials; aside from personal attacks against Levy, the comments about Arabs were unbelievably racist, beyond anything I would have expected from “polite society”. I have to admit that I come from a society which is also racist, particularly against native populations, in fact and in speech. But frankly I don’t think I have seen in recent times characterizations quite as vile as those I read in Haaretz comments to Levy’s editorials.

The Gaza incursion seems more and more like collective punishment against a population enclosed in what appears to be more like a concentration camp than an urban area. Rather than sadness, my emotion is much more of anger. Tsahal has abrogated moral responsability for its actions.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

Chris Floyd – Gazing at Gaza’s Destruction: Israelis Sip Pepsi, US Progressives See ‘Silver Lining’

Here we see Israelis in Sderot – the chief target of the homemade bombs which we are told are the cause of the current ravaging of Gaza. These Hamas “terror bombs” are so frighteningly powerful and destructive that no response against them can be “disproportionate,” we are told by Israeli and American leaders; everything is justified in “retaliation,” including the complete destruction of the social, civic and physical infrastructure of an entire human community, and the killing and terrorizing of innocent people. It’s those homemade bombs falling on Sderot, you see; they are such an overwhelming, ever-present, inescapable threat.

So threatening, in fact, that some of the Israelis in this picture drove down to Sderot from Jerusalem to sit out in the open air – on a hilltop – in plain sight of the Gaza village from which many of the rockets have been launched, and calmly sip Pepsi as they watch the military action taking place not two miles away. Shouldn’t “terror” be made of sterner stuff? Especially terror which merits the widespread slaughter and suffering of innocent people? Could there possibly be some – how to put it? – disconnection between the stated cause of the military action and its true purpose?

McClatchy Newspapers relates a tale of two cities in an excellent piece on the suprisingly calm, unthreatened, unfrightened folk of Sderot – and the hell of innocent families two miles away in Beit Hanoun. Some excerpts below:

A tower of white smoke rose from the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun after another Israeli bombardment Monday morning, and a half-dozen Israelis, perched on a dusty hilltop, gazed at the scene like armchair military strategists.

Avi Pilchick took a long swig of Pepsi and propped a foot on the plastic patio chair he’d carried up the hillside to watch the fighting. “They are doing good,” Pilchick, 20, said of Israeli forces battling Palestinian militants in Gaza, “but they can do more.”

Somewhere in Beit Hanoun, Ashraf El-Masri’s family cowered in their concrete tenement home, their neighborhood surrounded by Israeli soldiers. El-Masri said that five residents had been killed by Israeli shelling that morning, and the blasts had traumatized the youngest of his nine children into a terrified silence…

On the hilltop overlooking Beit Hanoun, Pilchick squinted into the sharp sunlight. He’d taken time off from his job at a foreign exchange bureau in Jerusalem and driven down to Sderot with a friend on Saturday, the day the ground operation opened…Sderot residents — some of them carrying binoculars — have gathered on the hilltop since the offensive began for a glimpse of the fighting…

In their darkened home in Beit Hanoun, Ashraf El-Masri’s children were in utter distress. No one has stepped outside since Israeli ground forces entered the town Saturday night, and more Israeli shelling awakened them Monday morning, including a strike on a nearby mosque.

El-Masri’s 12-year-old son, Abdelatif, has suddenly begun to wet the bed. His 10-year-old, Ahmad, a talented soccer player and popular kid in the neighborhood, spends the days hiding in a corner of the room where the whole family now sleeps. Four-year-old Mahmoud, usually a nonstop talker, is barely saying a word…

56. marisacat - 6 January 2009

The Google maps following the 34 days were stunning. large large areas flattened. Simply flattened. Merely because they were residential neighborhoods where people either supported Hizbollah or RELIED on the Hizbollah social services.

There was a report that IAF strafed southern Lebanon early this am. I suppose just to remind who is in charge.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

I think Chris Floyd got caught in moderation.

58. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Ben Nelson is on Rachel Maddow claiming that the elections in Palestine didn’t count because Hamas had a militia. Maddow pointed out that the various factions in the Iraq government have militias … and he just ignored it. And she let him.

And his party is in charge now. She isn’t able to haul off as she might have done once against Bush et al. PLay nice little girl.

59. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Speaking of Avi Pilchick from the Floyd link… there are photos around of the Orthodox rabbis out watching the show as well. I just saw a whole line of them.

During Lebanon I posted pictures of them out visiting the artillery lines and blessing … the shells I guess.

All I can say is, are they all descendants of Jewish camp kapos for the Nazis?

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009

All I can say is, are they all descendants of Jewish camp kapos for the Nazis?

Yes, in spirit if not blood.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 January 2009
62. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Van Creveld surfaces… in The Guardian. He says it is going very well.

To the Palestinians unlucky enough to get involved in the fighting the process is likely to be very costly – mais c’est la guerre.

63. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

Youtube up of Yonatan Shapira on BBC

Some transcription:

I am very sad to say if Obama will go into the White House and act like a slave and not like a Leader, I don’t see any change coming. If he continues to play golf and act like a slave, forced by AIPAC or any other interests and lobbyists in Washington..And if he continues to not talk about the horrible crimes that are happening in my coutry now I don’t see any change coming to the world…

And We all know the situation in the Middle East can affect the whole World. And It can be as easy as that that this situation can escalate into a World War.


…We are in a grave danger right now.. If People want to help me as an Israeli and as a Jew They have to put massive pressure on the Israeli Government for cease fire Right Now. Right NOW we need a cease fire… We need to be FORCED to sit and negotiate with Hamas. We have no other legitimate action but sitting and negotiate with Hamas and the Arab World….

64. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Thanks for the text… as on dial up you tubes spend their days “buffering”…


65. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

I have to say I am very distrusting of the Refusniks. the timing of their deployment, their waffling over right of return and, franklytheir utter impotence politically. Quite frequently, it seems their visibility or deployment – take your pick- in the media is always an atrocity late …then the calls for the negotiating table to resume ramp up , then around and around it goes again…

It really is a quite the Catch 22. From a simple realpolitik look at it, why champion actors played so far out of position? Why not just proceed building external movements that deny Israel and her sympathysers – from the RW to its refuseniks-– why not proceed to deny support and resources to them all at this point extending credibility and support to those that actually have it — at the point of their having established it????

Quite the catch 22 indeed, but there it is.

66. marisacat - 6 January 2009

Well I just heard two Palestinian women tonight who called into KGO and were screamed at (by the host), that they should go back to Palestine, to the Gaza Strip and ”risk their bodies”. Actual quote.. no fucking around with the meaning.

So, the refusniks should leave… and stop the weeping and begging late in the bombing game (too much of the left supported this blood folly) AND US Jews supporting Israel, esp with annual tithing… should pick a passport. Go help Israel.

67. BooHooHooMan - 6 January 2009

65 -66 Musical Chairs..Then the refuseniks could run for Congress here
the US-ers maybe pick up a seat in the Knesset…

68. marisacat - 6 January 2009

America does not have to be everyones’ destination. In fact I am not in favor of the putsch for a million legal immigrants a year. I consider it too high. The country never stabilises.

69. marisacat - 6 January 2009

listening to Paterson talk the SAME BULLSHIT as Arnold. Kids are fat and tax the sodas.

Same damn shit.

70. marisacat - 7 January 2009

new post


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