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A bird in the hand… 7 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


An African Golden Breasted Starling feeds from a visitor’s hand at the new African Waterfall Aviary exhibit at Jurong Birdpark in Singapore
[Picture: EPA/Telegraph]

Just viewing the line up of ex, present and elect pretzeldents was enough to kill my appetit for lunch.  It looked to me that none of them wanted to be there.  At all.  Then again, can’t think of a “leader” on view for ages that looked to be in charge of his or her own knife and fork, much less anything else.


UPDATE, 3:33 pm

About a year ago I read a little about the gas that is located off the coast of Gaza, then forgot about it.

Just saw this comment in a thread at Lenin

The Great Global Wars for Resources.  And of course why should Gaza have any business or installations that might make money, like an airport or a port or or or… etc.

Don’t mention the…


Expensive combustible petrochemicals and a deal with British Gas wouldn’t have anything to do with the situation, would it?

If you Google for

gaza gas

there are relatively few recent hits in the western media, but plenty in of others, e.g. Times Of India, 4 Jan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c…how/ 3935036.cms

Telegraph from 16 Dec 2007.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comme…-gas- field.html

Haaretz from 21 Oct 2007.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa…ges/ 915151.html

and from 2005!

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag…sID=0& listSrc=Y

And an article by Stuart Littlewood (?)  Will Gaza ever get a whiff of its offshore gas? By Stuart Littlewood*

http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ …tlewood20080521
21 May 2008

Stuart Littlewood considers Tony Blair’s efforts to put Israel in control of Gaza’s gas fields and thus achieve “‘peace in our time’ by raping Palestine of its treasures and resources.”

Happy New Year…



1. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Also this scammed from a Lenin thread… US mil at the borders

Report: US officers deployed along Egypt-Rafah border

London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reports that American Engineering Corps’ officers have been stationed at Egypt’s border with Strip in order to unearth smugglers’ tunnels in area

Roee Nahmias Published: 01.07.09, 12:14 / Israel News

US Engineering Corps officers have arrived in southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah to monitor the Egypt-Gaza border and unearth underground tunnels in the area, the London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reported Wednesday.

According to the report, the US Military deployed troops to the area several weeks ago, at Israel’s request, in light of its statements that Egypt is doing nothing to curb weapons smuggling into Gaza through the Rafah border. …snip…

2. marisacat - 7 January 2009

There have been garbled and mixed stories across a few days about a large number of extended family members first locked inside one or two houses then killed or shelled.

Telegraph has a report up as ambulances finally were able to reach Zeitoun.

3. NYCO - 7 January 2009

Re Soapblox… huh. Another sign of the (welcome) apocalypse, maybe this whole blogfarming craze will soon end.

Scoop-type sites do not create community for reasons we have experienced and well know. They create the illusion of community and keep ideas conveniently fenced in.

Sorry about the loss of sites and data, that really sucks. But I would never sign up for a blogfarm, regardless of what sort of increased traffic it promises.

Trust No One 🙂

4. marisacat - 7 January 2009

well it def had the smell of regulating thought. I am sure some, a few here adn there, managed to be independent… but really the whole thing was a snuff-it-out-more move.

5. NYCO - 7 January 2009

Paterson gave his first State of the State speech today. 45 minutes long. All memorized. Began with,

This I beheld, or dreamed it in a dream:-
There spread a cloud of dust along a plain;
And underneath the cloud, or in it, raged
A furious battle, and men yelled, and swords
Shocked upon swords and shields. A prince’s banner
Wavered, then staggered backward, hemmed by foes.
A craven hung along the battle’s edge,
And thought, “Had I a sword of keener steel-
That blue blade that the king’s son bears,-but this
Blunt thing-!” he snapt and flung it from his hand,
And lowering crept away and left the field.
Then came the king’s son, wounded, sore bestead,
And weaponless, and saw the broken sword,
Hilt-buried in the dry and trodden sand,
And ran and snatched it, and with battle-shout
Lifted afresh he hewed his enemy down,
And saved a great cause that heroic day.

Read somewhere that it takes him one hour to memorize one minute of text.

(Poem above is “Opportunity” by Edward Rowland Sill.)

6. catnip - 7 January 2009

Just viewing the line up of ex, present and elect pretzeldents was enough to kill my appetit for lunch. It looked to me that none of them wanted to be there.

They should have just left Jimmy in the other room. Did you see the body language? One of these things is not like the others…

7. catnip - 7 January 2009

BBC teevee reports that a BBC journo was let into Gaza with the IDF (as some sort of show that the Israelis really aren’t barring the media) but then went on to say that his reports are censored by the IDF.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

I don’t know how Jimmy could stand to be in the same room with those crooks (not that he’s a saint, but …).

9. marisacat - 7 January 2009

They should have just left Jimmy in the other room. Did you see the body language?

Jimmie and Rosalynn did that at the dedication of the Clinton Library.. they broke apart and walked separate from the Clintons and the Bushes.

Jimmie and Ol Big Dog really don’t like each other. I have never read any differently…

10. marisacat - 7 January 2009


apparently Press TV has coverage coming out of Gaza. PTV is an Iranian org, … not sure if they have their own or if they are employing Palestinian stringers.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009
12. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

House overturns Bush order on papers secrecy

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Brushing aside a veto threat, the House of Representatives voted on Wednesday to overturn a 2001 order by President George W. Bush that lets former presidents keep their papers secret indefinitely.

The measure, which drew bipartisan support and passed by a veto-busting 333-93 margin, was among White House-opposed bills the House passed that would widen access to government information and protect government whistleblowers.

“Today, Congress took an important step toward restoring openness and transparency in government,” House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman said.

The presidential papers bill nullifies a November 2001 order, criticized by historians, in which Bush allowed the White House or a former president to block release of a former president’s papers and put the onus on researchers to show a “specific need” for many types of records.

Among beneficiaries of the Bush order was Bush’s father, George H.W. Bush, a former vice president and president.

The order gave former vice presidents the right to stop the release of their papers through an executive privilege that previously only presidents could use. And it extended to deceased presidents’ designees rights to keep their papers secret indefinitely.

The House bill would give current and former presidents 40 business days to object to requests to view their papers, allow a sitting president to override a former president’s claim of executive privilege and strip former vice presidents and the designees of deceased presidents of the power to use executive privilege to block access to their historical documents.

In its veto warning, the White House said the bill encroaches on the president’s constitutional authority and the 40-day deadline would force presidents to use executive privilege to block information requests “out of an abundance of caution” and thereby invite litigation.

The real reason, the White House said, for delays of up to five years in releasing presidential papers to researchers is a lack of archivists at presidential libraries.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

We are all Gazans By Cindy Sheehan

Today, the defense forces of Yahweh’s “Chosen People” bombed two UN refugee centers. The schools, which Israel knew were being used as refugee centers (the UN was idiotic enough to give the GPS coordinates?) were demolished, dozens of innocent Gazans killed and Israel makes the convenient claim that Hamas was using the playgrounds as rocket-launching pads, which has been denied by the UN.

Mr. “One President at a Time” famously said: “I am not against war, I am against dumb wars.” Even though he has resisted commenting on the horror being perpetrated in Gaza right now, we know what side he is going to weigh in on, as when he was in Jerusalem in July, 2008 and told Israeli president Shimon Peres: “For most of Israel’s 60 years, you have been deeply involved in this miracle that has blossomed,” and while in Sderot, in Southern Israel, which is, as most of Israel is, built on Palestinian land, he affirmed Israel’s right to defend itself from the very weak Hamas rockets. Memo to Mr. “Only One President at a Time,” we know you love Israel and get that you long ago sold out to the American-Israel Political Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the US/Israel imperial-military cabal, but no Palestinian baby has fired rockets from Gaza.

I am here to tell Obama, that war is not dumb: IT’S EVIL! All war is evil. From the war on poor people of color here in American streets to the genocidal wars of aggression against Arab peoples waged by America and Israel: all war is completely, absolutely, incontrovertibly and atrociously evil. Until Congress and the Knesset and respective administrations come down off of their muy macho and extremely racist perches of death and destruction, we have no “hope” at all for any kind of profound and positive “change.”

George Bush is a lame duck idiot who has always supported death and destruction and welcomed both Republican and Democratic allegiance to the war machine. He is finally leaving and we are overjoyed, but should we celebrate an incoming administration that feels it’s okay to comment its brains out about the economy, but when it comes to sticking up for the helpless sitting ducks in Gaza he cops-out with lightening speed and amazing alacrity?

14. marisacat - 7 January 2009


The measure, which drew bipartisan support and passed by a veto-busting 333-93 margin, was among White House-opposed bills the House passed that would widen access to government information and protect government whistleblowers.

That is really cheering!

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009


January 5, 2009

The Honorable Condoleezza Rice

Secretary of State

U.S. Department of State

2201 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20520

Dear Dr. Rice:

I am writing concerning Israel’s military offensive against Gaza, which began on December 27th. I support Israel’s security and its right to exist in peace, without the fear of rocket attacks from Hamas. Moreover, I abhor the violence being visited upon the citizens of our firm ally. However, no nation is immune from the legal conditions placed on the receipt of U.S. military assistance. I believe that with the current escalation of violence in Gaza, a legal threshold has been reached, warranting a Presidential examination and report to Congress. I hereby request an examination of Israel’s compliance with the provisions of the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (AECA).[1]

While neither the AECA nor the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (FAA) define “internal security” and “legitimate self-defense,” I believe that Israel’s most recent attacks neither further internal security nor do they constitute “legitimate” acts of self-defense. They do, however, “increase the possibility of an outbreak or escalation of conflict,” because they are a vastly disproportionate response to the provocation, and because the Palestinian population is suffering from those military attacks in numbers far exceeding Israeli losses in life and property.

Israel’s current military campaign in Gaza has inflicted a significant toll on Palestinian civilians and society. Israel’s recent aerial and ground offensive against Gaza has killed nearly 600 and injured over 2,500. The Associated Press reported: “children are paying the price. . . . The United Nations has said the death toll includes 34 children. . . . But the broad range of Israel’s targets–police compounds, fire stations, homes of militants, Hamas-run mosques and university buildings–means most shelling is occurring in residential areas.”[2] The extensive destruction of such civilian institutions violates Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the wanton destruction of property and collective punishment of a civilian population. There have also been reports of bombings of United Nations (UN) schools, despite the fact that Israeli Defense Forces were allegedly given coordinates of the facilities prior to the current escalation in violence.[3][4] The blockade that Israel has imposed on Gaza since 2006 has further exacerbated the extent of collateral damage, as hospitals and morgues have been unable to cope with the magnitude of deaths and injuries as a result of the current escalation in violence and hospitals lack proper supplies needed to treat the injured.

I believe that Israel’s use of defense articles provided by the U.S in the current Gaza military attacks may constitute a violation of the AECA. At a minimum, the conflict is sufficient to warrant an immediate report to Congress as required by 22 U.S.C. §2753. Please contact my office by close of business on January 7, 2009 with the date the report will be submitted.



Dennis J. Kucinich

Member of Congress

# # #

[1] U.S.C. 22 §§ 2771-2781.

[1] Barzak, Ibrahim. (2009, January 1). Fighting in dense Gaza brings child casualties. Associated Press Newswire. Online. Accessible: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/01/news/ML-Gaza-Children-Casualti

[2] Barzak, Ibrahim. (2009, January 1). Fighting in dense Gaza brings child casualties. Associated Press Newswire. Online. Accessible: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/01/news/ML-Gaza-Children-Casualti

[3] McGreal, Chris and McCarthy, Rory. (2009, January 6). Israeli shelling kills dozens at UN School in Gaza. The Guardian. Online. Accessible: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-death-un.

[4] News Agencies. (2009, January 6). 40 Palestinians killed in IDF Strike on UN School. Haaretz. Online. Accessible: http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053138.html

The text of the speech follows:

January 7, 2009

“We cannot truly celebrate a New Year, a new Congress and a new administration if all we see is the same old destruction in the Middle East with US weapons being illegally used to kill children.

“I oppose Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israel. The rocket attacks, even to try to end the blockade, have no moral justification, are illegal and must stop.

“But how can Israel claim self defense when it bombs Gaza which has no army, no air force, no navy and has been under a constant blockade?

“How can Israel claim self defense when its bombs destroy UN schools, killing children?

“The children of Palestinians and the children of Israel both deserve life. But the lives of the children of Gaza are cynically discounted as “human shields”. Massacres are being rationalized. Israel’s “moral high ground” in Gaza, a growing pile of small bones in a graveyard.

“The Administration knows Israel is using US weapons, paid for by US taxpayers, with disproportionate force creating a collective punishment of Gazans, assuring an escalation of conflict, clear violations of the Arms Export Control Act.

“Israel was given U.S. weapons on condition they would not be used for aggression or escalation. The outgoing Administration must finally stand for the rule of law, not the rule of force.”

Not that it will make any difference.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

14 – That is really cheering!

Yup, I’ll take my good news where I find it. Of course, I fully expect the Bushes to hide/destroy as much as they can, in spite of the law.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

Strip Maul

“It’s the mobius strip of issues … there’s only one side.”

18. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Really large protest in oakland over the BART killing.. it began at the station, Fruitvale, then began to move from teh staion to downtown Oakland. All very peaceful… growing to well over a thousand.. and here is key, people were spontaneously joining the march. From the streets and coming out from shops…

It took a dark turn at an intersection – just about 10, 15 minutes ago, a dumpster set on fire, a police care isolated and surrounded. But it seems the march has backed off and proceeded. The cops shot bean bag bullets projectiles,, wwhatever they are called. Brought in a riot control vehicle. Been on going from about 3 pm.

The march moved on.

Very rocky day.. all day. The cop the shooter resigned thsi am rather than submit to any qeustioning or a meeting with BART officials/others.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

I can’t stand Hamsher, usually, but I have to say that I love this sentence:

I want to play poker with Harry Reid.

It’s actually a pretty good post.

20. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Blooooooooooooooo Dogs are happy

Obster this am:

We are working currently on our budget plans… starting to consult with members of congress on that… Discussion around entitlements will be a central part of those plans… by Feb [with my 10-page budget preview] we will have some very specific plans to release [on reforming entitlement spending].

Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN) liked what he heard:

“I have talked with President-elect Obama several times about the severity of our entitlement crisis, and I have urged him to conduct a full audit of his predecessor’s books. He understands the tremendous fiscal challenges we face. I appreciate his forthrightness on the subject this morning, and I pledge to work with him and his economic team to get this situation under control.” …snip…

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009
22. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Josh Marshall’s Whatever the Fuck His Joint is on the “Stimulus”:

The Clock Is Ticking On Obama’s Stimulus Plan

The critical stimulus package that was supposed to be ready for Obama to sign on Day 1 is now being pushed back to February and from the looks of it, maybe even longer. Is the popular president-elect ceding too much control to Congress?

Ceding control??? Oh LOL. Like Obama or the Democratic Majority HAS ANY…..FFS. – Obama’s Limo for the Inaug is outfitted with TRAINING WHEELS.

23. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

People don’t have their heads wrapped around the reality
that the NeoCons cruise missle’d the Markets and we’re in
the early Second Act of an insane, undeclared World War.
Wherein those fawning Dems play. their. part.

They whine and moan, RW D’s, “centrists” and “Left alike,
Yet they are quite happy to eat the freshly extruded shit right off
Cheney and his War Partners’ ass.
The Pentagon’s making a deadly dump? Line Up!

Israel effortlessly defecating now? ~ SSegment after SSegment of International Law Violating War Criminal AssMud?
Why get right in there Dems!!
Get right in there- {Say Cheese!}
– with all the Kosher Shit Eating Gusto one brings to
an Apple Pie Eating Contest lest the poor Jewish VictimState leaves their atrocious steaming pile of Palestinian Wasteland quite visible,
quite visible, -right there – in the Family of Manly Room…

24. marisacat - 7 January 2009

well Stiglitz and Feldstein scared me on Charlie Rose last night. S was more pessimistic than F… but geesh. Basically they said, the delays are killing us. The bullshit so far has not worked, it is not clear what will work.

And Feldstein’s description of the system being outlined of allowing businesses to refile on earlier costs and losses and get refunds for years past, pissed me off royally. He tried to call it accelerated depreciation, but that struck me as a cover story.

I imagine the vid is up by now.. at CR.. it wasn’t when I posted last night.

The thning that worries me is the sense of NO ENERGY from anyone. Not congress and surely not Ob and the nominated, appointed and selected Knobs.

25. mattes - 7 January 2009

BHHM…Me thinks the Age of Jewish Victimhood has….passed.

The new generation does not read history and what they see now is the Zionist Enterprise.

26. mattes - 7 January 2009

Marcat, I remember those gas contracts. I wrote a diary on it. That was when Israel took out all the Gaza infrastructure. They are definately after that gas.

Hamas asking for a 10 years ceasefire with possible extention into eternity, accepting the 1967 borders, a unity government…the zionists could not let THAT stand.

27. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Nutball Power Tripper
All Stripes.

Check the two pics above if you can..
The NYT short and skinny here:
Truly Soup to Nuts this guy. Muslim turned Chistischer, Big Bush nut, Messiah complex, Built himself a replica of the White House with its own chapel in it…

LOL. Not to be confused with
the Nutball Catholic Surgeon in Texas.

Me? I’ll take Madman’s cue to the artisan in New Orleans
who’s trying to rebuild. Thanks BTW ,madman.
His freehand Art Nouveau door is truly beautiful…

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 January 2009

my heart broke for him and his trials.

29. marisacat - 7 January 2009


So Mr Milani loved Bush and lvoes Obster.

We are so blessed.

30. lucid - 7 January 2009

24 with regard to Feldstein – [well I suppose I should do some hunting], but as I noted the other day, businesses are already allowed to carry back losses for 5 years and get a refund on previously paid taxes. What exactly is changing in this plan?

On a similar note, when discussing the fiscal situation of one of the businesses I administer with my colleague in England this evening he was opining various business decisions by the owner, to which I responded – just to tell it like it is – well, tax law in this country encourages such behaviour… So we become engulfed in a recession with no capital base. It is not just a failure of business, it is a failure of tax law. Both Federal and state tax law don’t encourage businesses to build a capital base, but encourage business owners to loot the companies. Go figure – mountains of debt to pay trillions to the upper echelon and leave businesses and their lowly employees flapping in the wind of macro-economic boom and bust cycles… Sounds like a plan to reify aristocracy to me.

31. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

So consider the grotesque excess of the kook in his personal replica of the White House, the Opus Dei type with his McMansion take on the Sistine Chapel “inspired” by Catholic Marital Bliss..

Consider it in light of that Old Man in New Orleans,
the plight of this woman in Gaza. What Misery!

How truly fucked our Society is, given that younger “Progressives” are said to be the likes of the Lesser Blogosphere: Bowers, Stoller, etc,…
Let alone their devotees, the typical Bourg-raelis, the pampered coddled little twits like DemocraticLuntz blogging for Israel in his spare time when not beating off in his dorm or wherever the fuck he lives near GW in DC…How utterly fucked.

32. marisacat - 7 January 2009


as i understand it…this is additional

33. marisacat - 7 January 2009


The Hustler magazine founder has teamed up with fellow adult entertainment mogul Joe Francis, creator of the Girls Gone Wild video series, to approach Congress for the same kind of financial assistance recently approved for car manufacturers.

The pair have asked the 111th Congress, which convened on Tuesday with the economy at the top of its agenda, “to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America” with a bailout.

“Congress seems willing to help shore up our nation’s most important businesses, (and) we feel we deserve the same consideration,” Francis said in a statement.

“In difficult economic times, Americans turn to entertainment for relief. More and more, the kind of entertainment they turn to is adult entertainment.” …snipsnappy…

34. marisacat - 7 January 2009

hmm Mr Milani’s tangerine Oval Office is pretty damned funny.

Atlanta WH

35. CSTAR - 7 January 2009

Re 21 Frontline Laffs I’m sure there’s a joke to be found in there somewhere

I’m beginning to believe the Israeli state is an argument by contradiction proving the impossibility of its own existence.

36. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

And Feldstein’s description of the system being outlined of allowing businesses to refile on earlier costs and losses and get refunds for years past, pissed me off royally. He tried to call it accelerated depreciation, but that struck me as a cover story.-mcat

Oh God yes.I’m just watching it now…Feldstein suggests the Gub pick up half of mortgage write downs..He uses an example of a 250K house with present value of 200K is a foreclosure waiting to happen..Suggest the 50K differential be written down with the Gub ponying up half- 25K in the example–….

My question would be WHEN?
So the Gub puts up the 25 G’s now? When?
How? In a chunk? Upfront?

What’s to prevent the Banks / Investment Houses/GM —GE–
from using the Liquidity for Further Class Warfare?

‘Cause That’s what we’re talking about:::
It’s been unremitting Class War on on a docile populace HERE to rain Hell down on docile peoples eleswhere,
ANYWHERE that they stand in the way,
ANYWHERE they can be exploited…

The Interview is indeed Dark. Talking 10% Unemployment?
That figure – given the Cooked Bookery we use – such an outlook is truly staggering..

We’ve dragged the world into Depression with our War Nuts Still on the Loose, Still Enabled, and unfortunately, neither
Hawks nor Enablers haven’t yet been SHOT.

37. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

I double clutched “on” the “docile”. I meant to say facile i.e. :
It’s been unremitting Class War on on a *facile populace HERE to rain Hell down on docile peoples eleswhere,

38. marisacat - 7 January 2009

well in fairness both Stiglitz and Feldstein make proposals to do with the large loss of value in RE… but it was the schemes for bidness that got me. Challenged as I am.

Plus I have seen reports the bizwhiz end of Obsters plan, the 300 bil for business is largely a rehash of dusty proposals kicking around forever. From the Republicans.

So he is showily agaisnt earmarks (my big issue is when they are secret giveaways to buds and fundraising grids, the basic idea of earmarks is well basic, plus they are somwhat a diversion) but he greases the big mess in other ways.

and so on.

39. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Happy New Year…

At least three rockets fired from Lebanon land in the north of Israel as

Israeli planes make 60 air strikes on Gaza in a single night.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

40. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Sorry. just coming into the Biz Scheme now..
LOL.not like its the first time I go off topic. Sorry.
Jeebus.I’m watching it now as Feldstein uses an Appeal to Tradition Argument. I (duh) just found Charlie has Transcripts tho:

“So they are proposing not an investment tax credit, but accelerated depreciation, which is a similar thing. And then they are saying, but what if you are a company that is in a loss this year? You can’t use that accelerated depreciation. You have nothing to set it off against.

And so, there’s a longstanding tradition of allowing loss carry backs and loss carry forwards.

What Jive. a longstanding tradition of allowing loss carry backs and loss carry forwards. for WHO? and WHY? Spot on, Mcat…

41. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

At least three rockets fired from Lebanon land in the north of Israel

Wherefore art thou, Syria?

42. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Wherefore art thou, Iran?

43. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Wherefore art thou, Puty poot?

44. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Are the Rose transcripts at the site? That has to be new.. ti was always a pain in the ass he did nto provide transcripts.

45. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

Also via BBC-

Pakistan sacks security adviser

Pakistan has sacked its national security adviser as tensions continue between Islamabad and India over November’s attacks in Mumbai.
An official statement from the prime minister’s office spoke in general terms but blamed Mr Durrani’s “irresponsible behaviour for not taking the prime minister and other stakeholders into confidence, and a lack of coordination on matters of national security”.

So – in the Global Marketplace- Who’s boy IS Durani ?

I’m out.

46. lucid - 7 January 2009

32 – I see, financial gambit… revise assets already declared at fair market value down to current market value, refile and then roll back your losses to previous years…

That’s fucked. It’s letting the financial industry, take our homes, our clothes and our food and then kicking us in the stomach while we sleep in a rain soaked gutter.

If that passes, the rolling of the body politic is complete, down to the crusty underwear.

47. BooHooHooMan - 7 January 2009

are the Rose transcripts at the site? That has to be new

yes, I just found them…
I’m going to de-Thread Hogville for a while 😀

48. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Here is the transcript…


Here I agree with Stiglitz:

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: The housing bubble, and before that we had the tech bubble. So America has been sustained on an artificial basis now for a long time.

And all we’re doing right now is repairing the current problems. We aren’t thinking about what is going to replace what had given whatever energy the economy had before the collapse.


— and the conversation from Stiglitz that follows, how bad the bail out is etc.. that I agree with…

But here, this worries me:

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: I think that you need an important element of aid to states and localities, because if you don’t do that, they’re going to cut back their expenditures and the economy is going to go down even deeper.

Tax cuts didn’t work before. These are going to be more targeted, I understand, to lower-income individuals and therefore more likely to be effective. But I still worry, given the low effectiveness of the previous tax cut, it’s a source of concern.

But what bothers me most are the tax cuts for businesses. And most of those from what — or at least a part of those are going to be retroactive tax cuts, allowing people who had losses to — in this year, to recover taxes they paid in previous years.

CHARLIE ROSE: Yes, I saw that, right, right.

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Some estimates say, you know, this is — Citibank, another hidden form of a bailout for the financial firms. Citibank and the other banks who had made big losses, this is a way for them to get a hidden — another bailout from the government.


JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Giving them money does not provide incentives. It gives them more cash. But what we should be doing is an investment tax credit, a marginal and incremental investment tax credit that provides people an incentive, firms an incentive to invest.

49. marisacat - 7 January 2009


well I could not put it in those words but that is what I meant. It is MORE than has been…

50. catnip - 7 January 2009

39. Israeli planes make 60 air strikes on Gaza in a single night.

Not to worry. A few Gazans got some scraps of food earlier so they’re all set to defend themselves. Onward…

51. lucid - 7 January 2009

As an aside, for anyone with HBO, I highly recommend ‘Summer Heights High’… Waiting for Guffman meets reality TV meets The Office… fucking brilliant – and one of the few highlights of the burgeoning new year for me….

save – the beautiful guitar I finally got tonight. peace on earth with that. beautiful. sublime.

52. catnip - 7 January 2009

With this war spreading to Lebanon now, my first thought was: wouldn’t it just suck to be Obamalama and have the apocalypse happen just before the inauguration?


53. mattes - 7 January 2009

Possible Obama envoy backs Hamas outreach

This was before Israel started it’s clear-cut, scorched earth operations in Gaza, and could well be the main reason Israel wanted to crush Hamas. Fatah has already given the white flag and Israel will be allowed to keep all the West Bank settlements…500,000 crazy settlers.

A foreign policy expert touted as President-elect Barack Obama’s Middle East peace envoy advocates low-level outreach to Hamas under cease-fire conditions.

Richard Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, outlines options for Obama in an article published Wednesday on the Web site of Foreign Affairs, the council’s magazine, but apparently written before the current Gaza Strip war.

“If the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas continues to hold and a Hamas-P.A. reconciliation emerges, the Obama administration should deal with the joint Palestinian leadership and authorize low-level contact between U.S. officials and Hamas in Gaza,”


Don’t miss Jon Stewart:


54. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Full text from the Independent:

Israel ‘fires into Lebanon after rockets’

Reuters Thursday, 8 January 2009

Three rockets fired from Lebanon struck northern Israel today, slightly wounding two people and prompting the Jewish state to respond with artillery fire, officials said.

The rockets were the first fired from Lebanon since 2007, and occurred on the 13th day of the Jewish state’s offensive in the Gaza Strip to the south.

It was not immediately clear who fired the rockets.

Palestinians fired rockets from Lebanon into northern Israel in June 2007, causing no casualties. During a 2006 war against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon in 2006, the Jewish state came under frequent rocket attacks that caused casualties.

Micky Rosenfeld, a spokesman for Israeli police, said the rockets struck three different places in northern Israel’s Galilee region. Lebanese security sources said between three and five rockets were fired from southern Lebanon.

An Israeli military spokesman said Israel mounted “a pinpoint response at the source of (the rocket) fire.” A security source said Israel fired five artillery shells.

Israeli analysts have said the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group may try to get involved in Israel’s battle against Hamas in Gaza. Hamas is also backed by Iran.

55. mattes - 7 January 2009

Lebanon: Hezbollah Did Not Fire Rockets At Israel – Reporter

Rogue group?

56. marisacat - 7 January 2009

Times Online:

Photographic evidence has emerged that proves that Israel has been using controversial white phosphorus shells during its offensive in Gaza, despite official denials by the Israel Defence Forces.

There is also evidence that the rounds have injured Palestinian civilians, causing severe burns. The use of white phosphorus against civilians is prohibited under international law.

The Times has identified stockpiles of white phosphorus (WP) shells from high-resolution images taken of Israel Defence Forces (IDF) artillery units on the Israeli-Gaza border this week. The pale blue 155mm rounds are clearly marked with the designation M825A1, an American-made WP munition. The shell is an improved version with a more limited dispersion of the phosphorus, which ignites on contact with oxygen, and is being used by the Israeli gunners to create a smoke screen on the ground. ,,,snip….

57. marisacat - 7 January 2009

They never did anything. Ever.

Confronted with the latest evidence, an IDF spokeswoman insisted that the M825A1 shell was not a WP type. “This is what we call a quiet shell – it is empty, it has no explosives and no white phosphorus. There is nothing inside it,” she said.

“We shoot it to mark the target before we launch a real shell. We launch two or three of the quiet shells which are empty so that the real shells will be accurate. It’s not for killing people,” she said….

We are such a perfect pairing with them.

58. catnip - 7 January 2009

The latest I heard was that Israel fired 5 missiles back into Lebanon as a response.

59. marisacat - 7 January 2009

According to the Independent each and every one of the five a “pinpoint” shot.


60. catnip - 7 January 2009

Meanwhile in Lebanon: Hariri confident Hizbullah won’t be suckered into new war

Parliamentary majority leader Saad Hariri dismissed concerns on Monday that Hizbullah might launch attacks on Israel’s northern border to support Palestinians coping with the Zionist state’s deadly assault on the Gaza Strip. “Yesterday, Hizbullah said that they would do nothing. I think that’s a good thing for Lebanon,” he said in Paris after having lunch with French Prime Minister Francois Fillon .

“Lebanon’s political parties know well what would be the consequences of a war with Israel today. We can see what is happening in Gaza and I’m sure that Hizbullah will make no bad mistake this time,” he added.

Obviously, that was before the latest news…

61. catnip - 7 January 2009

59. Oh yes. Absolutely.

(They probably hit another UN building.)

62. marisacat - 7 January 2009

well the large family at Zeitoun was pretty clearly herded into their house, locked in and shelled. The Telegraph link is up thread… Various versions of the story got told for 3 days but the ambulances made it there well .. hours ago now.

They said that after the Israeli army first took the town on Saturday night soldiers had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house owned by Wael Samouni around dawn on Sunday.

At 6.35am on Monday the house was repeatedly shelled with appalling loss of civilian life.

I see Lenin links to an Amnesty report that says Israel kills civilians on purpose. Nooz.

63. bayprairie - 8 January 2009

i still can’t put the boyo dirty back-office behind me. anyone remember this?

BlogPac Progressive Entrepreneur Contest: Five For Under $5K

For the past year, as part of our ongoing effort to support the progressive blogosphere and movement, BlogPac has delivered over four-dozen targeted, no-strings-attached grants to progressive activists, organizations, campaigns, and media outlets around the country. Now, we would like to both expand and open up our grant making process, and give your progressive movement building idea a chance to receive one of our grants. As such, today BlogPac is launching a nationwide contest to find the five best new, grassroots progressive infrastructure projects in America, and provide those projects with the money, exposure, and connections necessary to get off the ground.

well pacboy ended up giving out the five awards but added a sixth as well. here’s the sixth award winner

And The Winners Are…
by Chris Bowers
Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:14:12 PM PST


6. SoapBlox Security Upgrade, submitted by pacified on behalf of SoapBlox Network, Inc. Additionally, even though only five winners were originally slated for this program BlogPac will present an award to this submission as well. However, instead of coming directly through the Infrastructure Contest, it will be part of the 50 state blog network program in which BlogPac has engaged in over the past seven months. Almost all of the more than 40 local blogs in the network operate on SoapBlox, and at BlogPac we would be remiss if we did not work to make sure that these local blogs are safe from malicious, online server attacks. We need to keep emerging, local progressive communities online, and that means making sure that SoapBlox is not only operational, but that it has rock solid defenses.

nice swing. no follow-through.

also one of my personal all-time favorite drive-by artists knew of serious issues 15 months ago, and in typical boyo-fashion kept it more or less under his hat, probably so as not to piss off the Bowers that pee cited above. evidently señor NP now feels compelled to shut the barn door after the horse has left the building.

SoapBlox Needs to Clean Up Its Act
by Nonpartisan
Wed Jan 07, 2009 at 09:05:19 PM PST


I assumed this meant the problem I had spotted would be fixed. However, these developments never materialized, and I continued in private to warn friends away from SoapBlox software, though many of them chose to purchase it anyway.


paul revere he’s not.

64. marisacat - 8 January 2009


We need to keep emerging, local progressive communities online,

and in line.

65. mattes - 8 January 2009

New US Congress expected to consider resolution backing Operation Cast Lead


Heil Israel!

66. marisacat - 8 January 2009


Several US House leaders are also expected to sponsor a nonbinding resolution backing Israel in its battle with Hamas as one of their first pieces of business.

LOL As a variation on cooking the old shoe… now people can jsut cook their bibles and torahs in the old stew pot. Use WP as a thickener and cooking agent.

“… as one of their first pieces of business”.

Bidness indeed.

67. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

Irony Sooo lost on HuffPo, too
Dem wit’ da 900 Point Type Lede Every Day:
Today’s Onionesque Hillarity?

Senate Dems Back Down In Standoff With Obama Over Burris

Second Piece? Right below? Ya know- On. Their. Front. Page?
LOL. Shit you not:

Obama’s ‘Super-Cabinet’ Could Lead To White House Chaos
“Everyone Will Be Fighting With Everybody”


I need a Placebo Blog, really. Just a place strictly meant for this kind of ridicularity Maybe with some sort of Placebo NutRootizenship and detached frontal lobes to go along with it…

68. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

But let us enjoy what we can,
while the power of PEBO the Placebo remains in efferct.
FerSurely it’s a too weak, Two Week Limited Time Offer..

69. lucid - 8 January 2009

63 – Yet another reason to just say… hi! I’m this assohole…

70. lucid - 8 January 2009

And another reason to shake the chin at the child when they’ve been ‘outed’…

71. marisacat - 8 January 2009

… here is the close of the Charlie Rose show (link at 48)…

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: The two things that bother me, worry me are, first, the problem that Marty said, that after two years, what will sustain the economy? And that goes back to the point I made in the beginning, which is what has sustained the economy for the last several years has been a bubble. We’ve taken away the bubble. And worse, people now have balance — you know, have falling housing prices, falling stock prices, retirement
accounts that have been depleted. All of which means that things are going to be much more difficult going forward.

So that’s one worry that we have a problem, not a two-year problem but a much more longer year — a longer problem.

The second thing is that many of the actions that we’re going to be taking will not be as effective as quickly as we would have liked. And this follows having taken a number of actions that were very badly designed. The Paulson bailout, you know, may have been better than doing nothing, but it was very badly designed. Monetary policy hasn’t worked.

The stimulus — the first tax cut didn’t work. I can see a situation in eight months, 12 months, people say we’ve spent all that money. All we have for that is growing national debt.

Let’s try a different strategy. Let’s try the strategy of letting the —
you know, just let the market take care of itself and see where that goes.

It can’t be worse.

72. wu ming - 8 January 2009

wow, the gas field thing makes the siege of gaza make a lot more sense. thanks for bringing it up again, i missed it the first time around.

73. bayprairie - 8 January 2009

Sweethearts of the Fighting Fronts indeed

SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea has railed for years against the Japanese government’s waffling over how much responsibility it bears for one of the ugliest chapters in its wartime history: the enslavement of women from Korea and elsewhere to work in brothels serving Japan’s imperial army.

Now, a group of former prostitutes in South Korea have accused some of their country’s former leaders of a different kind of abuse: encouraging them to have sex with the American soldiers who protected South Korea from North Korea. They also accuse past South Korean governments, and the United States military, of taking a direct hand in the sex trade from the 1960s through the 1980s, working together to build a testing and treatment system to ensure that prostitutes were disease-free for American troops.


“Our government was one big pimp for the U.S. military,” one of the women, Kim Ae-ran, 58, said in a recent interview.

Scholars on the issue say that the South Korean government was motivated in part by fears that the American military would leave, and that it wanted to do whatever it could to prevent that.

But the women suggest that the government also viewed them as commodities to be used to shore up the country’s struggling economy in the decades after the Korean War. They say the government not only sponsored classes for them in basic English and etiquette — meant to help them sell themselves more effectively — but also sent bureaucrats to praise them for earning dollars when South Korea was desperate for foreign currency.

“They urged us to sell as much as possible to the G.I.’s, praising us as ‘dollar-earning patriots,’ ” Ms. Kim said.

74. catnip - 8 January 2009

Why Jimmy was persona non grata at the big boy’s table: An Unnecessary War

75. catnip - 8 January 2009

Well, so much for that plan.

UN says halting aid to Gaza, citing danger to staff from IDF

The United Nations on Thursday said it was halting aid deliveries to the Gaza Strip, citing the danger its staff was under from the Israel Defense Forces offensive in the coastal territory.

The announcement came shortly after the driver of a UN truck was shot and killed by tank fire as he was headed to an Israeli border crossing to pick up an aid shipment, according to the UN.

76. mattes - 8 January 2009

THIS is what they wanted when they got in power as well.

I am beginning to hate the Clintons. Trash.

Hamas wanted a comprehensive cease-fire in both the West Bank and Gaza, and the Israelis refused to discuss anything other than Gaza.

77. mattes - 8 January 2009

Settlers leading the killing fields:

Settler activists are counting on their historically strong ties to the Israeli military, with some units composed entirely of settlers, to help in their fight. Indeed, some soldiers and reservists currently in Gaza were there three years ago living in cherished settlement communities. On Monday, an article in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz described the bittersweet reactions of soldiers who had lived in Gaza settlements and are now back in uniform, noting, “Some see it as a first step toward returning to their former homes.”


78. marisacat - 8 January 2009

Simon of CBS/60 Minutes was on with Charlie Rose last night.. They’ve been preparing a big piece on israel for 60 Minutes. He did not have a hard date that it would air.

I would say some of the softer propaganda rhetoric about Israel has changed. Not the first catch of it this time. But it is still basically dishonest. His conversation practically tried to make it seem that the israeli society is so sadly stuck with the extremist settler issues. [hand wring hand wring] And that US presidents would like to exert pressure to remove the settlerments from West Bank but that they are held hostage t the pressure from inside Israel.

It was amenable it ws clear softening. But it was still DiSHONEST.

The Gaza war is playing out well in Israel… and Simon even admitted that. There are no large scale protests as he indicated there were during the 34 days in 2006.

I would say reading around this am and catching up (I slept from 5 am to 10:30) that it will be hard for Israel to even STOP this war, the blood lust and fury is so high. If some of the stories coming out from areas that were cut off, are to be believed.

79. marisacat - 8 January 2009


mattes it is the US power structure, it is the Democratic party.

They were going to shove collaborators and appeasers at us in whatever final configuration it was that sold in the market.

Hillary The Clinton Reformation plus charmer VPessa Obster…

or Obster the Post Toasties King of religionist rhetoric with Hilarious and a ton of tried and true Clintonistas and other dull as dish water Harvard Yard pseudos leading all the way to whatever is the outcome. To say nothing of Biden. And Rahm…. what about Rahm does anyone MISS?

I cannot stand ANY Of them, and even so the drained of life, energy less vibration coming from all of this is beyond worrisome.

80. mattes - 8 January 2009

Comptroller finds state failed to house
most Jews evacuated from Gaza

Three-and-a-half years after Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, two-thirds of the 8,500 evacuees are still living in temporary housing sites, and the move-in date for their permanent housing is still far off, according to a report filed Wednesday by State Comptroller Micha Lindenstrauss.

In response, the Knesset’s State Control Committee decided to form an official committee of inquiry to investigate shortcomings and failures in the treatment and resettlement of the evacuees.

Lindenstrauss’s report found serious deficiencies and delays in dealing with permanent housing solutions. A total of 95 percent of the Jewish former Gaza residents who had requested to join “communal housing” similar to the makeup of their settlement communities remain without permanent housing, the report found.

In all, two-thirds

of the Gaza evacuees have asked to be resettled in such communities.


Here’s hoping 60 Minutes at least gets all the info.

81. marisacat - 8 January 2009

the Knesset’s State Control Committee decided to form an official committee of inquiry to investigate shortcomings and failures in the treatment and resettlement of the evacuees.

A panel. To investigate. So useful. So democratic. So nothing.

82. mattes - 8 January 2009

GREAT diary:


And while Bush fiddles with his legacy and Obama counts his political capital, civilization is in freefall. The capital markets, which evidently are not built upon capital but hyperbole and chutzpah, are revealed as nothing more than a shell-game where people are fleeced on the street and wake up to find their wallet missing the next morning.

Isn’t the only process due Madoff a bullet to the brain? In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand for stealing an apple from a cart. In China they execute you for stealing paper clips from the office. But in America, swindlers and war criminals are ex-presidents and celebrities and anyway, you voted for Bush twice and the collapse of western civilization is due to a few bad apples.


The People of the United States of America (as well as hundreds of millions in other countries) have just witnessed the greatest financial swindle since FUCKING NEVER!

And I’m not talking about Madoff, but Paulson, Bernanke, Greenspan, Friedman (may he burn in hell) Rubin, Summers etc. et al.

What’s 50 Billion when you can get 10 Trillion? Money which did not even exist before but we still owe as if it did exist.


83. mattes - 8 January 2009
84. marisacat - 8 January 2009

thanks to an emailer… I know I am supposed to hand wring that the pious priests got suckered.. but……………… you know……………..

New Ponzi Scheme: 82-Year Old Mini-Madoff Defrauded Priests

Joe Weisenthal | Jan 8, 09 2:54 PM

The Ponzi Scheme Of The Day might become a regular feature at this pace. This morning we mentioned Joseph Forte, accused of running a $50 million fraud, and now comes word of a $17 million fraud in Upstate New York. The accused is Richard S. Piccoli, an 82-year old man who ripped off priests and other Catholic churchgoers.

Ripping off priests? Can you say “special ring of hell”? …snip…

85. mattes - 8 January 2009

LOL…what were they doing with so much money. It’s time to tax the non-profits.

86. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

Scamming going on in the Catholic Church? Who Knew?

How Appaling. .And Informative!
Thank you Joe Weisenthal !!!

At least we have the Ancient and Great Faith of Judaism to rely on! LOL

87. mattes - 8 January 2009

NO more business as usual for Jewish State under Obama adm:

Obama’s warning to Israel
By Aluf Benn

Israel’s governing “troika” met yesterday in order to find a way out of the conundrum Israel finds itself in, following the bombing of the school in Jabalya, where dozens of Palestinian civilians were killed. The character of the meeting had already been marked by the warning Israel received from U.S. president-elect, Barack Obama, who broke his silence on the fighting in Gaza and made it clear that he will have a great deal more to say after his inauguration.

The announcement from the Bush White House that for the time being Israel could carry on its offensive was little consolation. Obama made it clear that starting on January 20 the rules of American involvement in the region will change, and his administration will be a lot more active in pushing the diplomatic process between Israel and the Arabs forward.

Obama’s timing, after the strike on the school, signals the direction the U.S. will turn in its attitude to the region: It will support Israel, but will oppose any harming of Palestinian civilians. This means that Israel will find it difficult to close the crossings into the Gaza Strip at will.


Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is concerned that a diplomatic agreement may be imposed on Israel – which would elevate Hamas, equating it to a sovereign state like Israel. Livni favors a unilateral withdrawal from Gaza the minute the IDF says its mission is completed.


88. socrates - 8 January 2009

Sorry to barge in. I got here through a 2006 post dealing with Kos being a disruptive force, that the netroots in general is a connection of box car websites with the intent of boxing us in.

The Democratic Underground needs to be added to the list of disruptive forces against true progressive thought.

They deleted around 200 posts. They were in the electoral integrity forum. It had to do with the Mike Connell hoax. It had to do about the truth about Brett Kimberlin. Fake journalists and activists have been busted parading lies about rightwing whistleblowers. Did you know that Larisa Alexandrovna claims to have had Michael Connell as a source? Did you know that she said he was scared and ready to spill the beans? So what is Larisa Alexandrovna concerned with? She wants people to vote for her and Brad Friedman for some best liberal blog awards. That isn’t even her real name. She also vouches for the Speedway Bomber and claims that he was exonerated for heinous crimes. She claims he was a political prisoner.

And what’s Brad’s opinion of Brett Kimberlin’s past. I don’t believe he’s ever mentioned it. Brad and the Speedway Bomber are co-founders of the Velvet Revolution, that “progressive” group with a knack of finding rightwing whistleblowers. Although no one has yet to receive a reward for providing information to them which brings about a conviction for election fraud.

89. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

Wow. All sots of dueling scandals now:

This girl? Like. I know.
Like from our Youth Group at Church?
Like she had our Bible Club money- and – Um -Like –
she sold 9 Bibles, you know, and- and- um, Like I sold 9 Bibles too, and um like she put 10 Bibles down on our list and um
got her Mom to buy the other one and um Like–

90. marisacat - 8 January 2009

box car websites with the intent of boxing us in.

Yeah one of my favorite ways to characterise the mess that is Liberal (but its not) Blahging and Blahgers…

anyway, hello whoever you are…

91. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

87 NO more business as usual for Jewish State under Obama adm:

c’mon mattes. Its a Prop. “Obama the Wise and Just” while Israel goes on doing whatever the fuck they want. just an almost hideously tired variation of Good Cop / Bad Cop::: Good COB / No So Bad Israel.

92. marisacat - 8 January 2009

Have you run into Aluf Benn before mattes?

I see “for domestic distribution” off that. They are working from his extended comments after “concern”, his defensive need to say he will have a “lot” to say after January 20″.

I see pushing the IOF to kill more, faster. You know, the old Pussycat exhortation. Faster faster kill kill.

93. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

Welcome Socrates.
Nice Toga and help yourself to the complimentary Hemlock.

94. BooHooHooMan - 8 January 2009

$173 Million in Madoff Checks Reportedly Found

January 8, 2009

Pressing the case that the disgraced financier Bernard L. Madoff should have his bail revoked, prosecutors said in court documents on Thursday that investigators found 100 signed checks worth $173 million in Mr. Madoff’s desk that were ready to be sent to family members and friends on the day of his arrest.

The checks were another indication, prosecutors said, that Mr. Madoff was trying to keep his assets away from his investors.

“What the defendant failed to highlight for the court in his rendition of events is the fact that, prior to his arrest, he announced his intention to transfer $200-$300 million of the remaining investor’s assets to selected family, friends and employees,” Assistant United States Attorney Marc Litt said in the filing.

95. mattes - 8 January 2009

Have you run into Aluf Benn before mattes?

No marisacat. I just keep looking for signs of hope….even small ones.

As far as the economy, I think we are just so fucked. No one is going to buy our debt. Foreigners might still want our resources that are left, but labor is too high to do anything about it. What do we have left to sell that the world community would be interested in?

But, I think Obama adm. is going to take a serious shot at solving Palestinian’s quest for statehood. If I did not have some kind of hope, I could not blog as I do…

First step has be be getting the truth out before the public. And even if this does not get solved in my lifetime, I feel compelled to proceed.

96. marisacat - 8 January 2009

neue post…


………. 😆 ……………..

While I was at SF Gate I saw a headline.. Obster is urging a delay in the DTV switchover. Have to laugh. back to V chips and Uniforms. Things the pretzedent has nothing to do with. But PR.

97. marisacat - 8 January 2009

The two state solution was ruse, certainly for decades. A talking point. And I don’t think it advantages anyone anymore. Why should Palestinians work for a fiction? When demographics are on their side.

IMO women and children are targetted in Gaza, for a reason.

98. socrates - 8 January 2009


Thanks for the welcome. Please watch out for people trying to steal my username {long story}.

What got you banned from Kos?

My blogosphere box in started as soon as I became an advocate for getting chemtrails stopped. Yikes if you think I’m kooky.

99. socrates - 8 January 2009

It’s pretty sad what’s going on. What did GW do when he first ruled? He talked down the economy and the US’ role in the Middle East peace process.

I am optimistic too for some reason.

I think the manufactured zeitgeist wants us down in the dumps. But that’s the one thing I refuse to cede to the status quo.

I forget where I read it, but someone asked when does a massacre become a genocide?

100. socrates - 8 January 2009

So perhaps we are looking ultimately at a civil rights situation? Something like South Africa or Northern Ireland?

101. marisacat - 8 January 2009

neue post…


………. 😆 ……………..

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