Gaza 8 January 2009
Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.trackback
Photograph and Text from In Gaza, No Room For the Dead, No Room for the Living:
The latest bodies, instead, show in sandy humps, buried just low enough to be covered but not properly so. Cement blocks mark some graves, leaves and vines on others. And some were just barely visible, by the raise in earth. But it was too packed, too hard to estimate where a grave might be, no possibility of a respectfully-spaced arrangement.
I see in the softening rhetoric, in the mixed atmospherics, that WSJ has picked up the story of the picnic-ers and spectators of war, the Israelis who park themselves on the bluffs outside Gaza and enjoy the show. And they. the WSJ, are pleased to display for us the impolitic quotes from the Israeli hoi polloi. And provide the photos. Such news. Such a breakthru! My heart sings!
“It’s weird that we have to take lives in order to save lives,” Ms. Znaty says. “But we were held hostage by Hamas while our government ignored us, and now we fight back. I am sorry, but I am happy.”
Playing to a wider audience is what I see. Apologies for cynicism in view of evolving tactics.
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A few days ago I posted this, from the Tabula Gaza blog:
Sunday, January 4, 2009
SMS Message from Gaza Jan 3At 7:49pm:
“I have decided not leave our house even if I die. All the people have decided this, we won’t resettle again.”
At 8:50pm:
“The ground incursion on us started now.”
S. is a refugee from near Beer Sebea 80km from his current home on the border between two refugee camps in the Northern Gaza Strip.
Posted by tabula gaza at 1:21 PM 11 comments
There is an update now:
My last two messages from S. in Northern Gaza
“The Israelis are here till now, they have not reaches ys yet but they are killing people at random. Many people are lying dead in the street. Death is coming towards us.”
– January 5, 12:30
“I am in the house, The army is very close. The situation is very bad. We are going to lose cell phone coverage now.”
– January 5, 15:42
Posted by tabula gaza at 4:19 PM 0 comments
There is also this at Tabula Gaza, which mirrors snips I posted a few days ago from the In Gaza blog, she drew from comments and quotes offered up by the stragglers who made it out of Zeitoun, from the house and environs where an extended family died, stories of people surrendering and still being lined up and shot… is it misinformation from within the fog and blood spatter of war? Could be. When I posted it in a thread I mentioned that it was hearsay. It is reported that when Jenin was sorted out the massacre was “smaller” than what came from anecdotes. And that it could have been sorted out, had reporters been allowed in to Jenin. I certainly agree the international community of reporters should be in Gaza to report.
Does anyone want to head count massacre?
Someone must, but it won’t be I.
Palestinian children injured by Israeli tank fire in northeast Gaza City at a hospital on 8 January 2009. (Mohamed Al-Zanon/MaanImages)
From Tabula Gaza:
Notes from phone conversation with Dr. Attalah Tarazi
The numbers of death and injured reported in the media are far below reality as the media is not able to cover incidents as they unfold. I know of cases where homes were surrounded by the Israeli army and people inside gave themselves up and were shot anyway when they exited.
When bakeries open there are thousands lining up to get their share of bread
A clinic near my hospital was hit by an Israeli missile earlier today
What is taking place is a massacre, more than a massacre
Almost all the cases I saw today at the hospital were civilians, many women and children. This is not an attack on Hamas, it is on the most innocent of people in Gaza
6 ambulance staff members have been killed. Two ambulances were hit. Nothing is safe, nowhere is safe. No moving vehicle is safe. We are afraid for our lives. There is no differentiation between Hamas and Fatah or anyone else
We have witnessed weapons we have never seen before in our lives. Some explode in the sky and scatter bombs all over. Sporadically. I have smelt smells from some of the burns and wounds that I have never before witnessed
Thousands have fled their homes and gathered in UN schools for shelter. one such school was hit earlier today. 45 people were killed
People gathering in these schools fleeing their homes are without food, without blankets, without clothes
May god protect us, may god have mercy on us
The Israeli military is attacking us from air, land and sea. we have no where to go
The Israeli army often hits a building 2 or 3 times. when an F 16 hits a target all the buildings around it are targeted
We get the feeling no one is asking about us, the world is not even
noticing this is going on, no one cares
Oh, tell me what being lined up and shot, if true, sounds like?
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Electronic Intifada has a tick tock of war, gathered as medics and ambulances reached farther… they include this thumbnail of Zeitoun…
[F]our days after submitting a request to the IOF, teams from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and ambulances from the Palestine Red Crescent Society were allowed yesterday to enter the eastern Gaza City of al-Zeitoun. In one of the houses they entered, they found four children next to their dead mother and a young man, too weak to stand up. Twelve corpses were lying on mattresses in the house. They also found 15 survivors from the IOF attack, including injured people. In another house, the rescue team found three corpses. IOF were positioned only 80 meters from these people but left them to stay with the unburied corpses of their family members and to reach the brink of starving to death.
The ambulances were not permitted to reach the wounded people, who had been left for four days without help. The rescue team had to evacuate them on donkey cart. As the ICRC and human rights organizations continue to receive reports about similar cases in this neighborhood, the ICRC has not yet received information from the IOF concerning its request to search for the dead and survivors.
The Guardian has a useful blog on Gaza War, here is an entry:
The human rights group Amnesty claims Israelis are also using civilians as human shields.
Malcolm Smart, its Middle East director, said:
Our sources in Gaza report that Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position. This clearly increases the risk to the Palestinian families concerned and means they are effectively being used as human shields.
Last, Charlie Rose had Bob Simon of CBS and 60 Minutes on last night… Perhaps 10 or 15 years ago (years before Sharon went to Temple Mount) I would have welcomed this as breakthru, heart sings, etc. — he speaks of apartheid, of separate roads, he clearly states that Two State is long dead… he all but says there never was any real desire for it, the Israelis LIKE apartheid…
You know what I heard? IF there is ever a day of reckoning (and why would there be, we are all complict, we are all collaborators), what we are seeing and hearing now, is the duals, the wealthy, the professional class, the elites of Tel Aviv crafting their separateness.
It was the settlers, of whom we are not a part. Oh really? It was the crazed religionists. Of which we are not a part. They are so infused into the miltary now that we have no control. And how is that working for you, in a JEWISH State? It even extended to, what a US president could do but will never do and of course, we are the wealthy of Tel Aviv, we are not some hapless US president, tied forever to the State of Israel.
BOB SIMON: [A]nd the third possibility has a very ugly word attached to it, which is apartheid. A minority Jewish population ruling over a majority Palestinian population, and Palestinians will tell you that apartheid already exists, that with the Israeli settlements on the West Bank, which have divided Palestinian territory into little cantons, with the settlements and the roadblocks, and settlers on the West Bank have their
own lovely highways, which the Palestinians are not allowed to drive on. Palestinians have to drive on the old roads. That already, there’s such a separation between Israelis and Palestinians on the West Bank that the Palestinians call it apartheid.CHARLIE ROSE: You used to live in Tel Aviv, did you not?
BOB SIMON: Yes.
CHARLIE ROSE: So of all your friends in Israel, where you lived for how many years?
BOB SIMON: Oh, all together, more than 10.
CHARLIE ROSE: So for all your friends there, if you would say to them, would you say to them the building of the settlements in the West Bank was a bad idea and not in your interest?
BOB SIMON: They would say of course, and change the topic of conversation.
CHARLIE ROSE: I don’t understand.
BOB SIMON: In places like Tel Aviv, where just about everyone is for peace and against settlements, the irony is, when you go to a dinner party in Tel Aviv, everything is discussed except politics. Family, friends, movies, theater, music, everything. Vacations. Tuscany.
CHARLIE ROSE: Right.
BOB SIMON: You name it, it’s discussed. But not the politics of the situation. There is.
CHARLIE ROSE: Because they’re just tired of it or because they know that there’s no light at the end of the tunnel?
BOB SIMON: Because they’re tired of it and because they’re in a state of denial. They are living a very good life. Life in Tel Aviv is a wonderful life and they don’t want to be bothered with these questions which don’t really have an answer.
If anyone can stand to read it (and it is very interesting), tell me what you hear. There is also the vid at the same link, 26 minutes.
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Oakland
In other news our BART killing went national. Big time. A demonstration went out of control last night in Oakland. Anti riot response, parts and blocks of Oakland were closed down, 3 BART stations shut and so on… coverage on local media and local talk radio for hours, press and reporters on the scene.
The ‘on the scene’ reporting (that I caught) was excellent, radio and TV… and local NBC tv news did what I thought was right. They reported that elements joined the march, that had originally gathered at the BART station where the killing took place, then most proceeded along a large boulevard to the town center… AND that marchers attempted to intervene against the infiltrating elements. NBC local closed their evening news saying it is not white vs black (all colors and also Asian were in the original groups that gathered at the Fruitvale BART station) it is a justice issue.
That seems right to me… full reporting but not working to inflame.
The local ”liberal” talk radio is afire. And I see it differently from the Whites. We are now Whites and Blacks.. as if we were not before.
I am certainly not interested in trashing cars or breaking windows of small local businesses or setting trash afire, but to me the real story is that for days and all day yesterday the day the victim was buried, anyone in charge in Oakland was a no show. Dellums (it is rumored he is soon to get out of Dodge, air lifted to DC for a job) finally came down to speak to protesters.. but he has been MIA (since elected). The BART cop quit his job to avoid being questioned… no longer a BART employee he can decline to be interviewed by them, by their Internal Affairs, with firing as a threat of punishment. The DA met briefly, finally, with some local activists, closed to the press and then hid for the rest of the day.
Plus you know, we have a pimp show coming up… on HBO I think, set in Oakland. So much PR.
So, we are off and running. And the story is ‘out of control blacks in Oakland’ and sotto voce, get rid of the blacks and life is better… and not the failure of leadership, which is black and white..
Oh right. Hail Obster. We are so blessed.
Marisacat 
Just saw this at Democracy NOW! It is Indyk vs Finkelstein.
No snips have not had a chance to read it yet.
Watching Obster at his speech this am and his Dem party line up in the favored seats… Deval and Kaine and others. Goon City, imo.
Sorry to be blunt. I know deep in their hearts they are for the peeple. They really are.. and someday they will show it. Vote!
Obalama:
Shorter Obamalama:
I LUV hopeyness. It’s such a refreshing change from all of that fearmongering!
Somewhere I wandered this am I went thru some pics of Palestinian men kneeling, cuffed and blindfolded, identified as arrested as fighters or whatever wording was used… ”
Lenin has this (and i see he posted the comments from Dr Attalah Tarazi, from a UK source)
Just watched the BOB SIMON interview. Some Americans are going to get a big surprise. The word “settlements” will be spoken on primetime, oh, no…
#4, yes sounds more and more as a culling operation.
From a thread at Lenin, both stories of the Israelis admitting there were no militants firing from the grounds of the UN school OR that they found the quickly identifed bodies of two militants in the school rubble have disappeared from both the Guardian and from Jpost.
But someone found it at ReutersTV…
Gaddafi urges Arabs to join fight against Israel
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3653229,00.html
Blowback, days in the making, for years to come.
Fraom Angry Arab (he links to some slurp that Hayden has up at HuffPo)… reminds me of Susan Sarandon and her diamonds from Leviev in NYC… groups contacted her and asked her not to participate, not ot patronise. She ignored them… But LOL I am sure the price on the diamonds was so good, what’s a little apartheid between friends when you can say you oppose the Iraq war. It is all so cute.
J
UNRWA: IDF knows gunfire didn’t emanate from Jabalya school
By BRENDA GAZZAR AND TOVAH LAZAROFF
“The Israeli army in private briefings with diplomats have admitted that the militant fire from Jabalya yesterday came from outside the UNRWA school compound and not inside the UNRWA school compound,” said Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief and Works Agency.
“This was a very serious allegation against a United nations human development agency, which a day later turned out to be totally wrong, which
is why we wonder what other information might be wrong and why we are calling for an impartial investigation.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231167303802&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Two residents of the area reached by phone told the Associated Press that they saw a small group of gunmen firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.
In addition, Palestinian residents said that several gunmen ran toward the crowd, trying to use it as cover, when the first Israeli mortar shell missed them.
Meanwhile, strong condemnations were renewed throughout the Arab world and mass protests took place in countries like Sudan, Lebanon and Jordan as photos of dead children were broadcast by satellite television stations.
Much of the Arab press condemned Israel for the Jabalya incident, with some comparing it to the incident in the Lebanese village of Qana in 1996, in which the IDF fired an artillery shell that hit a UN outpost in the village that was serving as a shelter for residents, killing more than 100 Lebanese civilians.
The Kuwaiti newspaper al-Qabas called Tuesday’s incident near Jabalya “one of the worst massacres against defenseless Palestinian civilians” committed by “the Israeli war machine.”
“This massacre reminds us of a similar bloody massacre committed by Israel in Lebanon during the Operation Grapes of Wrath in April 1996, when the UN headquarters, which sheltered people in the village of Qana, was targeted and 105 people, mostly women and children, were killed,” it added.
Naomi Klein in the Nation: Israel: Boycott, Divest, Sanction.
I . . . I . . . I . . . I-I-I-I . . . ain’t gonna play Sun City.
IMO women and children are targetted in Gaza, for a reason.
it bears repeating.
from previous thread # 82 quoting BT diary elsewhere:
Isn’t the only process due Madoff a bullet to the brain?
“Normally”, Wow
Normally, (conceptual fab it is-) A shock to the sensibilities… That’s Assuming a system of Justice with- ah- Justice in it, tho.. Under those circumstances this kind of thing would be unthinkable.
Now? As people start to see what’s been going on? Not so much. Sure most people aren’t blogging let alone at Boomans joint- But every MSM outlet presents a truth that Madoff is likely in gunsights and Jewsish Interests are bracing for blowback internationally…
Though Ob is cardboard Motivational Speaker, that’s all, Here’s my sense of what’s happened recently with Ob on the scene.
It seems to me, the following, quite independent of Obama:::
In growing numbers, People ARE expecting Equity, Social, Political, and and Economic Justice. Certainly most don’t specify it as such, so easily segmented into parochial concerns, but that’s what’s going on. More People and nominal “Groups” are seeing they’re getting fucked by a very small set of “Other” People.
They’re starting to observe various connections, various symbiosis. Between the Parties, for example.. US and Israeli tied at the hip, OIL and Arab Royalty, Corps and Crooked Pols, Pollution and the Environment…People are abandoning flat earth notions of what’s going on..No wonder its important to move Capital Beyond people’s grasp just as they’re coming to get a clue..Time to build a work camp elsewhere…
So,Given the level of Outrageous Bullshit in our system,
Agitation is growing quite organically on its own…
But we’ve devolved to a very basic point-
People will respond to Killings or other Injustices Incompatible with Life Sustenance with Violence.
RATIONAL People will respond with violence..
Especially when “honorable” Peace Keepers kill seemingly at whim. It’s inevitable as legal representatives are themselves lawless.
It’s inevitable as the System itself fails credibility.It has become more evident that the System- coopted , allied , sliced and diced , is corrupt at its core..
This is what’s occurring now, Just as the PTB are unable to conceal it..
As people begin to *Know* how corrupt it is they tire of paying the Shake Down Artists. The Law and Order admonitions give way. A Society devoid of credibility can hardly impose former prohibitions against those willing to militate against its destruction.let alone those simply looking for Food, Medicine, or refuge.
So in this regard, far from All being Romans, in this regard many of us have more in common with Gazans and oppressed peoples everywhere. Similarly, the Leftisher and Centrist Swingers have more in common now with the RW “Starve the Gubmint” types especially as they waken from their Happy Hopeful DELUSION. And some of those people- far greater in number now – are going. to. go. Ballistic.
The PTB – Financiers, Politicos, Police, etc – they’re doing more to invite street justice against themselves than, in their folly,
they believe they control.
You can get into a whole thing whether there should or should not be “Nations” per se. But given things as they are, Wise Nation States would cut Israel off. It’s one of the Larger Reasons We in the U.S.are the Assholes of the Earth, …
….though we do quite well in the Asshole Department on our Own..
China is getting the picture, skillfully scaling back their investment in US Treasuries a bit ahead of the decline in US currency flowing into their country as the global economy falls….Just like someone wouldn’t put a huge block of stock on the market driving down its overall worth, China is protecting the liquidity value of its current US Treasury position (they may want to sell it off ) …But make no mistake they are well on a way to weaning us off the tit and in many respects Israel as a consequence…
(For those unfamiliar, the Artists Against Apartheid video Sun City was circa 1987.)
LOL – “Pop Up Video” version (with balloon captions about performers and purpose) here: Pup Up Video Sun City.
Egyptian Doctors Waiting To Cross Into Gaza
BHHM at 13 – Excellent post.
Agree about this, among other things:
Normally, (conceptual fab it is-) A shock to the sensibilities… That’s Assuming a system of Justice with- ah- Justice in it, tho.. Under those circumstances this kind of thing would be unthinkable.
Was that Booman with the snappy six-shooter (,i>Isn’t the only process due Madoff a bullet to the brain? in the quote?
Crikey. Maybe Booman was hoping for volunteerism there? After all, another former mogul offed himself the other day. A Chicago real estate power broker, with a bullet, in his, um, Jag.
We’re going to need downramps for all the violent energy about. Even more than usual.
But this:
So,Given the level of Outrageous Bullshit in our system,
Agitation is growing quite organically on its own…
does give me the bare modicum of hope. Not all agitation is violent. I think the Shake it Don’t Break It School still gets fairly high enrollment.
Here’s hoooooooooping!
Well alst night in Oakland is a good example. It SHOULD not have spiraled out of control… but it did. And what happens today?
Dellums has a presser. The DA, for the first time! since the killing, held a presser. the full BART board held a meeting open to press and public… and!! tug at the heart! one sobbed.
But they should have been doing this as of Jan 2. And Dellums has been MIA since election. SINCE ELCTION.. first thing he did was take a sabbatical and enter into consultations with academics on the meaning of mayoring.
GMAFB. No there should nto ve violence, esp as it jsut devolves on the people involved and involves people not involved.
BTW – Thanks for all the news-gathering and reporting, Marisa and commenters. Have really appreciated being able to stop in and get up to date quickly, as the world – long-distance, national, regional, local, personal – churns.
Macy to close 11 stores.
How did this make it into the NYT? What You Don’t Know About Gaza
Oslo from a comment at Lenin
Caught some of Fresh Air Tonight – ‘National Geographic’ Mines ‘The Real Price Of Gold’. Gross interviews
journalist Brook Larmer and photographer Randy Olson about their experiences while reporting their January 2009 National Geographic cover story: The Real Price of Gold.
I think Americans are finally starting to see themselves – with just a little stretch of the global economic metaphors – in the descriptions of the mercury-gassed villages in the high Andes (18K feet), as well as the plight of the old-Belgian-mine-gleaners in the Congo (way out in the best-by-motorbike back, where the warlords like Jack Daniels and the “buyers” are grease-funneling “intermediaries” who pay a pittance for the raw material to the subsistence workers bathed in mercury (quicksilver again! oh the irony) right at the pit).
Heard there was a big Dell plant closure in Limerick, Ireland, today too. Celtic Tiger lost the manufacturing to the Polish, er, Eagle, if I heard it right.
Groups condemn UW plan to perform abortions
Macy to close 11 stores.
Let’s see if we can chip in for a few of the steeply discounted Cartoon Dirigibles left over from the Parades.. Band a few together then set aloft for wherever the winds will carry us..
You know, in the same manner we consider ourselves “Well Grounded” here in The States……Just ridin’ on Cartoon Balloons..
There is some commentary at lenin that one big change is the world sees the US going down. That ob can play at whatever but he is only going to be able to manage the decline.
Count me in for the Big Balloon Adventure!
But first, we DECORATE!
Hopefully there is no money for extended proxie wars in the Congo and elsewhere. My own guess is they bleed us… Ob happy to make R sounds about entitlements, this very week… and conservatives loved hearing it..
How about the war machine Bozo.
Those suckerfish were something else, speaking of cartoon balloons!
And the jewel-toned bird was a visual tonic, too.
Now back to urban blood and rubble,not to mention fire and smoke through the palms.
Ob happy to make R sounds about entitlements, this very week… and conservatives loved hearing it..
How about the war machine Bozo.
That’s going on the CLOWN balloon!
Gahd….take the charge card away and whaddya got?
Anyone know what ever happened to all that Fork Knox gold and silver??
25 – Just ridin’ on Cartoon Balloons
Some just sell cartoon balloons in town.
I like to sit on the porch and watch them fly.
Speaking of Ireland:
Guess they ain’t waiting for Bono.
Guess they ain’t waiting for Bono.
Shredded Palestinian children don’t work well for selling ONE branded products.
Guess they ain’t waiting for Bono.
maybe ob stops wearing the ONE rubber bracelet
On his way out the door, Mukasey: Aliens Have No Right to Effective Assistance of Counsel
35 – So many shredded children, so little time and capacity.
I get the impression Bono turned into a sort of broker, too.
The Joshua Triage?
I dunno.
Roubini forecasts recession will last 2 years
If it came from the US gov Bono played along. I saw him as a front man. Happy to go to the Prayer Breakfast, play all the xtian games, exchange sun glasses with JPII and so on… happy to be the CelebSavior… happy to tell Bush he was good about PEPFAR… it is very hard to find negative or critical writings… mostly have to wait for explosions that happen around the annual AIDS conflabs.. and similar international get togethers.
I think all these silly people stand between access and real honest on the ground grass roots. Like about a year a go an African man rose up from the audience and yelled at some blobber Bono was handing out, that was Africa needs is ROADS. And latrines. and so on. Bono was not too nice to him. He got in the way.
Think the Chinese likely get it about roads and latrines. Where as we come as bizarre missionaries. (Not that all the Chinese are doing is good its not)
Barack Obama, Comic Book Hero-in-Chief
You can see panels from the book at the link.
Roubini in moderation, I think.
Attorney General Michael Mukasey ruled Wednesday that aliens have no constitutional right to challenge the outcome of – Exsqueeze me? I don’t care what! – based on their lawyers’ mistakes.
Land of the free. Home of the brave.
I couldn’t resist pairing up Obama fist-bumping Spidey with an excerpt from BAR.
Page 2 of the Rose interivew with Bob Simon:
The Amazing Spider-Man in which Spider-Man helps prevent an evil plot against the President-Elect.
Call ms_xeno . . . is this the beginning of a new sub-genre?
If it came from the US gov Bono played along. I saw him as a front man. Happy to go to the Prayer Breakfast, play all the xtian games, exchange sun glasses with JPII and so on… happy to be the CelebSavior
Them Holy books really is murder on the proles. Even the earnest artistes.
43 – Land of the free. Home of the brave.
IOZ linked to this with a quickie post:
Breaking: U.N. Draws Up Resolution for Middle East Conflict
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_diplomacy
Let me remind everyone…I believe we have NEVER abstained. This is a warning.
Condi has audio out saying they support “the wording”
The war on the Mexican border has been going on for a long time. So far it’s just been ignored.
Our military trained most of the drug cartel’s armed forces. It has been a disaster.
Los Zetas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas
50
yes but there has been som ehigh level fluffing of the border issues, the drug wars, the gangs and teh weaponry. They are pushing and developing a story that the wars come across the border (and in some sense they do, just as our Latin Americn wars aggravated instability), the arms are a “danger” to us… etc.
It started a few months ago.
We are in charge of quite a few prisons in LA, thru CCA, Corrections Corporation America (think that is the accurate full name). None other than Thurgood Marshall’s son, named for him, is on the board. there has been talk that thru an LLC Barbara Bush owns 50%. of CCA. I never found much, lousy googler that I am.
Land of the Free.
Angry Arab:
50 & 52 – They are pushing and developing a story that the wars come across the border (and in some sense they do, just as our Latin Americn wars aggravated instability), the arms are a “danger” to us… etc.
All about expanding militarism, the turning of police into militia and shredding of Posse Comitatus so that USNORTHCOM can put more boots on “homeland” ground.
There is some commentary at lenin that one big change is the world sees the US going down. That ob can play at whatever but he is only going to be able to manage the decline.
It’s understandable. They rest of the world sees us as fools, frankly, because we are..And oh so weak with our Sunday School mentality still…The question will be if enough people get it before we too are turned quite nakedly into an apartheid state, an orbital state whose existence is wholly subsumed into a Zionazist agenda…
Yes all about Northern Command. All of it.
mattes – Could this be the beginning of a new era of abstinence-only education?
Mathematicians Land Top Spot in New Ranking of Best and Worst Occupations in the U.S.
Human Rights Watch is Worried about pissing off Jewsih Donors?! ..The Po’ Mouth Cryin Uber Victims of aberrent Jew Madoffs Crimes?!
FUCK THOSE PEOPLE!
The only difference I can see being made is cutting off private resources to Jews in the US.
And I say that knowing full well how it sounds.
Straight up: no money for Jewish businesses and professional practices. Go Goy. There’s plenty of consumer money outside of patronizing congloms that is translated into political support of Israel. Fuck em.
Let them all go on SSI like the Lubavitchers up in the Adirondacks…Oh yeh, but they got that scam through Jewish Doctors Lawyers Judges and Pols….
BHHM – Go Goy.
What are you, in a settlement-funding enclave?
More than half the frickin practicing (and at least one ordained -woo hoo!) non-violent Buddhists – not to mention non-affiliated, utterly secular, peace-loving, ACLU-funding, doctors-without-borders non-rabbinical rabble – have Jewish heritage and/or last names.
Fork over the mailing lists, if you got ’em! Otherwise, beware the racial profiling, New Jersey altar boy!
New Yawk heathen smiley here.
That reminds me years ago a friend of mine, a gay guy asked a lesbian (this is not a joke, this is real) if she took her gray market smuggled Morris mini (it was a great little car!) to one of the lesbian garages in the Mission.
She laughed and said no, she takes her gray market mini to the Mission cholos who consult the Bible on their breaks and pray over the car engine.
Go with what works. I like ot sort thru people one by one, not by group.
He’s lost, that LOVINGGG feeling:
IB touchy Touchy. GMAFB with the Jewsih Heritage pablum.
fork over the mailing lists if you got em
Do what the fuck you want.
Kelly Wants Less Bars in Less Places if Attacked
oops – at least half the frickin practicing (and at least one ordained -woo hoo!) non-violent Buddhists blah blah blah that I know personally
meant to say!
Gotta love the netteries… at a London Socialist site, Lenin, in a thread I get the link to teh already up Wikipedia site for the Bart killing. (“liberal” radio still on fire here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_BART_Police_Shooting
I’m shocked, shocked to find that politics is going on here
I am not into Starhawk but this really touched me {she’s jewish]:
Crimes and War: ‘Getting it’ and Not Getting It
http://progressivesforobama.blogspot.com/2009/01/crimesand-war-on-getting-it-and-not.html
GMAFB with the Jewsih Heritage
Wanna be blackballed for your ancestors’ name?
fork over the mailing lists if you got em
How else you gonna separate guns from butter?
Mercury?
LOL
The second bonus was to turn the marriage around.”
He’s going to have to call it a bad investment.
MUST SEE VIDEO:
ON ELEPHANT SANCTUARY, UNLIKELY FRIENDS
http://www.cbsnews. com/stories/ 2009/01/02/ assignment_ america/main4696 340.shtml? source=search_ story
When elephants retire, many head for the Elephant Sanctuary in Hohenwald,
Tenn. They arrive one by one, but they tend to live out their lives
two-by-two.
I like ot sort thru people one by one, not by group.
That’s the point.
Enduring Priorities in an Age of Change: War and Profits Over People
at least half the frickin practicing (and at least one ordained -woo hoo!) non-violent Buddhists blah blah blah that I know personally
So do what the fuck you want.
What’s your game IB? Looking for firm Grip on the Obvious?
An admission? LOL.
That there’s “Catholic’ “Businesses” and “Charities” who do “a whole lotta” blah blah blah “Good” “too” and are solicited by influential Catholic So and Soes. .SO WHAT?
You wanna fund em? FUND em. I don’t.
I see it as part of a problem that jacks public financial and political juice that ultimately enables abuse. Same with the other proposal.
But again, of course, do what the fuck you want.
Well I am not interested in sorting thru by surname. For me, makes no sense. There si a Jewish Canadian grandmother on her way to the Rafah crossing to try to get into Gaza to help. OK She is likely NOT a fervent Zionist. But I don’t know that actually. She is Jewish.
To me the problem is the old problem of The State. Power and punishment. The state of Israel chose to be excuslively Jewish and in the aftermath of the war and war crimes, it all got tangled…. cultural became perforce religious. Even as many are secular in Israel. It sickens me that elements of modern Jewry and Israel use the Holocaust to protect themselves from being accused of racism and war crimes and whatever else.
Then, I am an American. Stuck with the whole schlomola as well. Forever twinned iwth Israel. Such a damned shame.
Hey BHHM – do what the fuck you want.
Thanks for All the Permission! (Especially Appreciate the Extra License for Capital Letters!)
You too!
To me the problem is the old problem of The State. Power and punishment. The state of Israel chose to be excuslively Jewish and in the aftermath of the war and war crimes, it all got tangled…. cultural became perforce religious.
Exactly. The problem isn’t being jewish, it’s zionism … and I’m saying that as someone who despises all three of the Abrahamic faiths. It’s bad news to combine a fucked up monotheism with a strong nationalism and paranoid militarism. It’s very much like the weird stew of xtianity/germanic mythology/militarism that the Germans brewed up. Well, our combination of xtianity w/ American exceptionalism and love of violence is the same, too.
BTW – What’s your game
Scrabble? Badminton? Tetris? Pictionary?
You first.
One more thing:
are solicited by influential ______ So and Soes. .SO WHAT?
Solicitation = / = complicity.
The Guardian picks up on teh Aluf Benn report in Ha’aretz mattes linked to.. and built on it. I see a LOT of speculation. Richard Haas of the CoFR and the Council have been neck deep, ears deep in decades of the mess. Clemons, another one quoted, is gaga for Ob…
We’ve often negotiated, with all sorts, and say we don’t. hell Iran provided assistance in our invasion of Afghanistan. They just don’t admit to the hardliner rank and file, here or there.
My thought, this will harden Israel to fully occupy and not pull forces out of Gaza. The wail will be that they have improved rockets that now fall just short of Tel Aviv. Or if they pull out, then, as we already have forces at the Rafah side (I put up a link yesterday) there will be a joint or “international” military encampment at the “borders” and checkpoints.
Such luck.
It IS a Profile and serviceable only so far…Now when I see a middle aged guy with a flat topped hair cut am I to infer much more about him? Add in a big truck? An American Flag Window Decal? Throw in a gun rack? Maybe an NRA sticker on one side of the bumper, a Bush Cheney on the Other, with a Power Of Pride one right below the “Fred’s Flapack House” stenciled on the tailgate?
Now he may be a Peace Luvin Buddistavitcher decended from an Ancient and Great Faith. Maybe it’s not even his truck. And maybe Fred – if it’s him – has the finest flap jacks in town… Shouldn’t I patronize his restaurant because it’s unfair to Flat Topped Gun Rack Accessoried Big Truck Drivin Funny Sticker Lovin Happen to Be Just The Finest Flap Jack Flipppin Hunks of Humanity Out There? LOL. Should I reconsider because, Statistically, it’s a 50% shot
he’s a Liberalisher? or Catholic? 25% he’s BOTH? LOL.
For me The only thing it’d depends on is if I happen to feel like flap jacks and literally the Shadow of the Killer Asteroid just blocked out the Sun. But truthfully just a couple a bits of info works in most cases.
Are we talking differential diagnosis here? A matter of life and death where discretionary income goes? No. But people still have power, however little, in their choices. Hopefully wisely, which is easier to do WRT to services and small businesses in community settings.
The problem remains:: what do you do about an aggressor group who uses their religious and ethnic cohesion as perhaps its primary shield? Pick away at it tangentially ad nauseum? It is the same with USA!USA! types. Bash their religion and precious whitey-hood.
Even if it’s Ob.
People HERE at least still have power. The Palestinians HAVE to deal with the Jewish Nation State , a State which defines itself well beyond the triffles of borders, in fact is extended by religion and ethnicity worldwide..Is what it is.
anothr clip… and ALL the names coming out for the special envoy stuff are Clintonista. All of them. Ross for IRan, for one.
He is expected to demonstrate that commitment to charting a new foreign policy within days when he is expected to name a roster of envoys to take charge of key foreign policy areas: Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, India-Pakistan, and North Korea.
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they are completely trapped. And few seem to get taht. Penned in.
But as Simon said in CR, no one will take them. Not even Jordan with a Palestinian wife. Which they just use as PR.
Stateless people… truly.
See that’s where I disagree IB, that solicitation of funds and donation does not equal complicity…Try defending buying a third, fourth, or fifth gun for the guy who says he just needs to pinch a loaf of bread at the corner store cross town. Well you could claim innocence.Butwhatif he made no bones about the new plot because of “those problems” he wasn’t able to resolve over the last few stick ups gone wrong.. In the first instance at best you get contributory negligence in a civil claim an accessory charge in a criminal case..People aren’t relieved of their liability.
So they think they’re doing the Lords Work.Protecting their Heritage..
Just because the wide eyed Church Fundraiser thinks they’re promoting the “Goodness” of the Church and the “Holy Father’s” Work doesn’t make it “good”, “holy”, “work” or anything else.
It’s fucking ludicrous. And why shouldn’t other people twist the screws on anybody coming out of the Record Fundraising Ladies Auxillary ??
ugh… just heard that ANSWER horned in on the protest last nigth in Oakland. That possibly explains some of the people who I saw with bullhorns and who got to the media mics. hmm Becuase it was different than the original mix of people gathered at the Bart station…
gnu thred…
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#69 IB :GMAFB with the Jewsih Heritage (me)
Wanna be blackballed for your ancestors’ name? (you)
fork over the mailing lists if you got em(you)
How else you gonna separate guns from butter?(you)
Mercury?(you)
Here’s how I render the the question of “blackballing” by ancestry moot…
If somebody told me “I’m sorry but I don’t feel comfortable with you” for any reason concerning how they spend their time and labor or its currency, Money —> that is THEIR RIGHT…
It is especially so given less than clean market value work which is the present state of economic affairs….Perhaps you don’t accept that.
It is of course legitimite to consider whether it is warranted. Individuals will decide that for themselves though..
But Who owes me a buyer of my services in the present market- we’re talking about what IS now- conditions as they are- not what anyone may *Hope Their Ass For sin times to come…Right now, aggregation, coordination, and political leverage are used to benefit powerful individuals and groups alike. And it certainly is done with great advantage over “the rugged” and not so rugged individuals without similar tactics…
Yet within this reality you’re positing that somehow its unethical for individuals to discriminate with how they SPEND their labors value? Labor values bargained in market on largely a less than level playing field basis? No-one should be compelled or forbidden to make political and economic choices that are readily available to others.
This is simply a balance of poweres equation here.
Are you observing the same reality WRT how “coin” and political power is assembled and used? How do you expect to build a better mousetrap outside of what is? And in the time-to-market cycle in which it is so desperately needed?
Are you observing the same reality WRT to Israel rolling over the Palestinians and moving the goalposts on every Peace Effort attempted so far? Do you not think American Jewry plays a critical lynchpin in this dynamic? I do.
I think the same applies to American Catholics who have warped reproductive and so many other civil rights in this country. Start sorting them out one by one? Why would either statement on American Jewry or Catholics be that controversial?
Personally, I’m past concerns whether its warranted – other individuals will choose for themselves to Act Up or not as they see fit– I’m more concerned with whether group shaming ,confrontation, and denial of resources is effective….”cause We’re not talking Country Club memberships here in cases as similarly evil as Israel and her benefactors.
For Example the religious ,ethnic, and political shield used by the Catholic Church to trample Human Rights as well as hide the atrocity of Child Rape.
In the case of the Catholics and the beloved “Church” NOT ENOUGH Cultural Shaming or Financial Sanction was leveled for their abuse as it still continues, though damages against “The Church” WRT Systemic Rape was picked up – theoretically at least – in some small measure by the adherent fools who continue to support an Institution Guilty of Systemic Abuse. Why shouldn’t somebody shit on cars packed into the Abuse Enablers Parking Lots? Especially When the Record was Plain as Day?
Will it be effective? is my only concern: Any Exceptional People’s Precious sensibilities WRT to “Heritage” – and here’s the critical qualifier- that trumps Humanity? Fuck that and particular religious, ethnic, and political shields covering abuse.They are unworthy of support.
Gah . . . gah! Crashed out, and spent my own clean market labor in sleep!
See that’s where I disagree IB, that solicitation of funds and donation does not equal complicity…
No no no NO! By saying solicitation = / = complicity, I meant that while most Jews in the US are likely to BE solicited by the Israeli fund-raising orgs, NOT ALL of the solicitees GIVE. Or BUY the exceptionalist, heritage-heavy, war-mongering bullshit!
Yet within this reality you’re positing that somehow its unethical for individuals to discriminate with how they SPEND their labors value?
Sorry if my words were ambiguous, but jump to the Island of Conclusions, why dontcha!
What I’m pointing out is that just like you, plenty of Jews (and Catholics, etcetera etcetera) ALSO just say NO to funding oppression, occupation, and war. Inasmuch as any of us can, that is, while still paying taxes here at home.
Hope that clarifies! If not, will need more coffee to try again.