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Big day… strange town 20 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, 2010 Mid Terms, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


The inauguration represents a milestone once unthinkable in a nation where racial segregation was practised in many Southern states just decades ago [BLOOMBERG NEWS]

Obama’s speech, text and video

We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defence, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.


The Guardian offers up an interactive map… state by state, you can look at the numbers by race. (And wealth, illegal immigrants, etc.)

Not sure why, but I found it interesting. I heard someone say that Iowa is the whitest state, and thought surely Wyoming was. Nope. Iowa is, at 91%. Wyoming is 88%… But! No!… as I kept checking, Maine clocks in at 95.3% white.   VT is 95.6%

CA is one of several that is majority non-white, which was news a few years ago….  Decades ago we were near the top for monies spent on education.  Now we are only bested in cheapness by Utah.  And Mississippi.  Care to guess why?

All pundits I have caught are happily prattling that Entitlement Reform is UP!  Gibson, Steph and Cokie just did it again…

Advisory:  No Canadian geese were sighted in DC …



1. Intermittent Bystander - 20 January 2009

VT is very white. Second least populous state (WY beats it for 50th), not a lot of industry (though plenty of mountains, maples, and moos), no Atlantic coastline, and a border with Quebec. (If the Guardian had a French-Canadian heritage map, I’m guessing VT would be tops? Wiki says 23.3%)

What’s up with the health care problem in Oklahoma, I wonder?

2. marisacat - 20 January 2009

I saw that too about OK… interesting. No clue…………

3. marisacat - 20 January 2009

ugh.. Brooks is pulling the same bullshit on TNH, it is days running now.. “Obama is just not going to hve those debates”

4. Intermittent Bystander - 20 January 2009

Can’t we scrape some of these pundits off, and deposit them back into “civilian” life, too?

Speaking of pundits . . . it’s morning in America, so the kos had to crow:


Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 12:09:36 PM PST

Hey, whatever happened to the people who claimed that Bush would never give up power?

They were hilarious.

And now, on the reclist, I see buhdydharma is doing a little tweaking of his own, on torture and impeachment: Question

What kind of people put political advantage over the Rule of Law and presidential accountability? Especially when innocent people are being tortured to death.

Those people were hilarious too!

5. marisacat - 20 January 2009

FWIW (or not) Dow down 330… or 4%

6. NYCO - 20 January 2009

What’s up with the health care problem in Oklahoma, I wonder?

Very large Native American population.

7. mattes - 20 January 2009

Sounds good.

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stops Bush’s last-minute regs. Emanuel signs a memorandum ordering all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration.


Rick Warren’s Invocation:

Well, now we know who pushed Warren on Obama. And I have meet some of the brainwashed soldiers. They say they are fighting for Israel in the holy land. AND now I know why one of the first things out of Warren’s mouth was “O’ Israel blahblahblah”. I wondered what the heck?? Where did that come from?? This is America. Well, now I know.

How Rick Warren’s Invocation Made a U.S. Army Officer “Hate Himself”

Not unexpectedly, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) was besieged with emails and phone calls from members of our armed forces today following Rick Warren’s invocation. These weren’t complaints about the inappropriateness of Warren being chosen to deliver the invocation, or even about the content of Warren’s prayer. They were complaints about the pressure put on our servicemen and servicewomen by their superior officers to applaud Rick Warren, whose book The Purpose-Driven Life is second only to the Bible itself as the most promoted religious book by the U.S. military, currently being incorporated into everything from pre- and post-deployment family programs to suicide prevention.

The following is an email from one decorated combat officer, a man with the courage to repeatedly put his life on the line on the battlefield, being wounded twice, but who could not muster the courage to resist the pressure of his “serious and committed born again Christian” commanding officer to applaud Rick Warren. The author of this email is typical of the majority of servicemen and servicewomen who contact MRFF for assistance. Like 96% of MRFF’s clients, he is a Christian — but not the “right” kind of Christian or Christian enough for today’s military.

To Mikey Weinstein and MRFF:

8. lucid - 20 January 2009

While I’m not overcome with a wave of hopeychanginess… I do have to briefly break character and raise a glass in toast to celebrate that the asshole finally leaving office. Good fucking riddance and may you get your just rewards.

9. lucid - 20 January 2009

Also, just one more note out of character. There was a caller to CSPAN about 30 minutes ago describing how when she was watching the inauguration today, she took out a quilt that had been made by her great great grandmother out of her slave clothes and proceeded to give a really heartfelt story of her family history and her reverence that the struggles they endured led to today. In an age where it is the cult of personality that is always touted on the tele [like the sanitized version of King], I did think to myself for a minute – hey, there’s an American who actually has a sense of history.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

Bayprarie reinforced how I was already feeling when I got home, and helped contribute to this: Lip Service

I wish I could suspend my disbelief long enough to enjoy this farce today, but frankly I find bad horror movies easier to surrender to. Maybe it was all the churchiness crossed with militaristic Leni Riefenstahl-ism that soured it for me, but all I feel is sad.

11. catnip - 20 January 2009
12. lucid - 20 January 2009

MitM – I found the ceremony nauseating. It went from ‘we’re the ony country in the world that doesn’t summarily execute the previous government’ to ‘all this is made possible by god tm‘ to some nice sounding blather about redeeming the mythical America that never existed…

I guess I just wanted to say two good things about today, lest we forget that one of the worst criminal gangs in our history just left office and that, for at least a lot of AA’s in this country who have a strong sense of their own families’ historical struggles the taking an oath of office by an AA is not insignificant.

I won’t wax on, because there isn’t much to wax about, but those are two things that struck me today for the better.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

Lucid, I understand wanting to say good things today, but I’ve been rooted in a kind of dark and angry place for weeks now. I’m sick of winter, sick of the midwest, miss NYC even though I know I’m not up to it anymore, and just all around disgusted with how ignorant and blind this country is. The bi-partisan support for the ethic cleansing in Gaza just put a black pall over everything for me.

I didn’t mean the timing of my link to step upon your two comments above. I feel like I’m stepping on a lot of people’s joy these days.

I’ve heard interviews w/ people who see today as a victory after years of struggle, and I wish I shared it. I see the glimmer in the eyes of young black kids and I’m so glad for them. It’s about time.

I’m genuinely sad that I don’t share it.

14. catnip - 20 January 2009

As for Teddy, hmmm….

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

‘Kind of an a-hole’: Jessica Alba tells the truth about Bill O’Reilly

Jessica Alba, attending one of the Inaugural shindigs, was the victim of one of those Fox News ambush crews that wanders events where liberals are numerous and tries to get them to say something dumb so Bill O’Reilly can make fun of them later. She told them exactly what she thinks of Bill O’Reilly.

Reporter: Bill O’Reilly says hi. You wanna give him a Factor Inauguration Shout Out?

Alba: No. He’s kind of — [Laughs] He’s kind of an a-hole.

As is their SOP, the crew badgered her to give examples. (Examples? You want examples? We gotcher examples right here, dude.) And she was smart enough not to take the bait:

Reporter: How so?

Alba? I don’t know how he does it. I guess he was just born that way, for some reason.

Reporter: Can you give me an example? Come on.

Alba: No, because that means admitting that I actually have watched Fox.


16. catnip - 20 January 2009

12. We’re the misery twins then because that’s the way I’ve been feeling too. Haven’t been able to blog about Gaza because the deja vu is devastating; very concerned that Obamalama’s star status is supposed to “heal” Amercia’s wounds and its reputation around the world (not by a very very long shot); very very concerned that torture will continue and that war crimes won’t be prosecuted…

You know the rest.

I’m in the same boat. I understand and appreciate the historical significance but still think that Obama really isn’t the symbol of the success of the civil rights movement. Still, I’m not an AA so it’s not for me to say though, right? (I do respect those at BAR who’ve spoked against such a huge tide of worship. They’ve been brave.)

I think this may be one of the most illusory presidential terms ever.

17. catnip - 20 January 2009

*spoked = spoken

18. NYCO - 20 January 2009

The History Monster has been loosed in our land. And he’s always hungry for more homage.

The process forms around a small seed of change: some kind of intriguing “first,” maybe. That becomes history anticipated — which is not actually history (since history can only be something appreciated that has already happened in the past), but rather the beginnings of the History Monster. Amplify it a few thousand times by the media (however noble it may be), and it becomes a Happening; a Historic Happening. Because it’s a Historic Happening, people flock, because it’s seductive. Because people flock, that amplifies the History of it even more. Then, if we are unlucky, the History Monster is born.

The more History happens, the more people want more of it to happen, so they can witness it and become one with it… to feed it. Nobody wants to be “left on the dustbin of History”; everyone wants to be on the History Train (or rather, riding the back of the History Monster).

Once it gets started, it’s a hard addiction to break.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

what a small, petty, stupid nation this is:

Let the impeachment proceedings begin

Drudge/Breibart/Fournier are pimping the “Obama flubbed the oath” meme that we’re sure to hear a lot about from the Village and Wingnuttia:

Chief Justice John Roberts swore in President-elect Barack Obama as president of the United States on Tuesday, helping him through a slight stumble in the first of what could be many important interactions between two men who rose to their positions of power quickly and who have some background similaritities, but whose politics differ.

TPM has the correct details: Roberts misstated the oath slightly and Obama noticed.

Torture, Falujah, Gaza, etc … nothing to see here, folks, but …

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22. lucid - 20 January 2009

Hey guys – no hard feelings… as I said, there is no joy here…

Just to relate a funny story. I spoke with my Dad on Sunday. As some of you may recall, he’s a retired political scientist of some note – one of the top in the American voting behaviour field when he retired. Still get’s interviewed by the NYT and some tele programs every election year about voting trends. He sort of knows where I stand, knows that I generally vote Green or Socialist and am very skeptical of the political establishment. So on Sunday, he says to me, ‘I know that you’ve always been more on the policy side of debates and prefer action to spectacle, but I really hope that you pay attention to the events surrounding the inauguration this time around. Where Kennedy was my generation’s president, Obama is your generation’s president [aside – not really sure what that means, as my Dad was 25 when Kennedy took office and I’m 36 – perhaps he loosely means that we’re of the same generation, as Obama is at the upper end of the X’ers and I’m at the lower rung, anywho]. It is a really important day for a new political generation in this country and that spectacle is something you will carry with you for your entire life.’

Something along those lines…

Now, I know he can’t fathom the level of political apathy I actually have, for one because I always tone everything down a notch when I’m around the folks just for the purpose of smoothing over relations, but I am still agog at this pronouncement. And I am also agog that so many of my compatriots in age [despite previous political ignorance or apathy] are acting like his pronouncement is correct.

In the office today, several people made a point of asking me how I felt about the inauguration – one in particular, who is leftischer than thou, like me, but travelled state to state on weekends to canvas for Obama, agrees with me on every point I made about American exceptionalism, militarism, religion in politics, an already ominous group of economic advisers, etc., etc., but was still in the thrall…

I don’t get it.

I do get it, particularly for the AA community. I know there is a much deeper symbolic meaning to this, and while I’m glad it wasn’t realized in a Condi or Colon, I’m less than thrilled it was realized in Barak. But like the story I relayed above about the woman with the quilt – that has a deeper significance. One of my other coworkers with whom I routinely talk politics is a Haitian American. I turned her on to Cynthia for a while and several long discussions with her about what policies would best redress racial inequality in this country and lamented that none of Barak’s cut it. She almost always agreed with me, but voted for Barak. She was in tears at times today during the inauguration [there was actually a work stoppage today to ‘witness’ the inauguration – first time ever], and I really do understand why. I have to admit myself, I cried at the scenes from Grant Park on Nov. 4. And I did get a few tears in my eye today during his speech.

All that said, I still don’t really get it. I don’t why everyone from my father to my lefty co-workers somehow think that he’ll be the second coming of whatever thing they think needs to come again. It’s like an exercise in mass projection…

23. lucid - 20 January 2009

NYCO – I actually view that differently. I think as a whole, at least modern Americans, are becoming ahistorical beings. They don’t have a grasp of the history of ideas, much less a grasp of the history of this country, or the colonialism and religious temperament shoring up plunder and murder – or even their own families.

The reason that I found the woman’s story compelling is that she actually told it from a very historical perspective – the perspective of her family history. She started with her own birth at one of the only hospitals in DC that would admit AA’s [now Howard U medical center], and worked her way back briefly through the family tree and their experiences. There was no mention of the ‘history train’ or even idea that this was something existent, just a heartfelt story about her ancestors and what they’d gone through & how from the stories she heard from her grandmother about the former slave who had made that quilt filled her up with joy.

Is that joy misplaced? Probably. Is it relentlessly used by media to sell pharmaceuticals and ‘faith in capitalism’? Most definitely.

But the way in which she apprehended history, and the way many who have similar stories, is not part of the ‘history train’ – it is rather part of the history tapestry we continue to crochet in the hopes that our freedom as individuals to be human beings might someday be realized.

24. marisacat - 20 January 2009

Well I certainly grasp why people voted for Barack. And why not, meaning and why should people not vote for a visible offering of “change”.. And I grasp why people vote, at all. However, Hillary did nothing for me as a woman, if it mattered. But I also understood her attraction to voters… it was palpable, and in particular to a certain strata of women. Tho that was often held up to disdain during the primaries. While massive AA voting and support for Barack was pandered to.

But certainly people need to exercise the vote. AND to feel good about it.

Frankly, personally, I am very mindful of the ushering in and reinforcing of a voting population that often, but not always, is more conservative (esp as Vietnam fades and religionism takes over) and that will be pandered to. Is pandered to. From Warren on the white end, to TD Jakes and cadres of black ministers on the other end. $$$ Office of Faith Based Initiatives. They are lining up. Sorry, nto with it. At all.

Santita Jackson, daughter of Jesse was asked today what keeps Mrs O grounded.. and she blithely answered, “she puts God first”.

I am just personally sick of the gaming of the vote. Came ot the end of it..

And i have no problem being a sour lemon drop of life.. as it happens.

Long ago the bitter line in the sand for me was War. And imo if BHO had been in the senate in 2002, he would have voted for war. He is an appeaser. And just as so many ran in 2006 positioned “against the mismanged war” (so hedged so qualified), as I poured over their records and comments and histories, to me, all but perhaps one (Loebsack of Idaho) would have voted for Iraq. And would vote for the next Iraq.

The wars of America are just the end for me.

25. lucid - 20 January 2009

Well, without god tm, apparently, nothing would ever happen!

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

Godtm makes sure the wars keep happening, and the hunger, and the homelessness, and the greed and theft and hate and tribalism and con games and jingoism and militarism and exploitation and division and et cetera. The Big White Invisible Warlord keeps all that shit happening.

27. mattes - 20 January 2009

They don’t have a grasp of the history of ideas, much less a grasp of the history of this country, or the colonialism and religious temperament shoring up plunder and murder – or even their own families.

I do have a clue.

And I do feel the joy.

I feel joy when I see fellow americans that have felt disempowered in their lives, look happy and full of joy. I feel their joy.

When I went grocery shopping I had at least 6 people start conversations on Obama. No shit. All full of hope that we will make it through this nightmare. One man said he was born during the depression. We talked about how some experts are saying it might get really bad. But all of us seem to feel better, that Bush was finally out and that we were in better hands.

And for some reason the words Obama chooses inspires me. Even if I think he has made a dreadful mistake in giving Warren the stoplight, whom I now think is a very dangerous man. He did it to appease the military. IMO. Which makes it even scarier. No good can come out of this choice.

I have been anti-war as long as I can remember. Would Kucinich’s choices have been more inline with my values? Yes, but Obama has something Kucinich doesn’t. Leadership abilities. The power to unite people. And for now, I am willing to trust him.

As for the clintonistas….better to have them within arms length, than to openly be working against you.

Catch asshole Reid….”I don’t work for the President”.

…really? Now you say that…

Power struggles will be interesting.
Time will tell, when his policies divert from theirs, and they will.

Am I sentimental, yes. Naive…maybe, but we can’t control what we feel. Not all of you. Not me.

And I speculate here. But the test Biden was talking about is Israel. I believe Obama will reign them in.

As for the bankers…well the last time anyone messed with them someone was killed.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2009

Mattes … I really don’t mean to harsh on your joy, I really don’t. I wish I shared it. I ENVY it, and the joy I see and hear in others.

Please don’t feel you have to apologize for it, because it’s clear that you’re going into it with your eyes open, and you’re aware of the leap of faith you’re taking.

Believe me, I’m not happy that all I seem to be able to see is blackness.

I would very much like to have to post a year from now that I was full of shit and got today completely wrong.

29. mattes - 20 January 2009

…well, madman at least I don’t have the tingle:

Must see:


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32. mattes - 20 January 2009

President Obama Orders Halt of Gitmo Trials

In one of its first actions, the Obama administration instructed military prosecutors late Tuesday to seek a 120-day halt of legal proceedings involving detainees at the Guantanamo Bay naval base — a clear break with the approach of the outgoing Bush administration.

The instruction came in a motion filed late Tuesday with a military court handling the case of five defendants accused of organizing the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. The motion called for “a continuance of the proceedings” until May 20 so that “the newly inaugurated president and his administration [can] review the military commissions process, generally, and the cases currently pending before military commissions, specifically.”


33. ms_xeno - 20 January 2009

I don’t envy this supposed mass outbreak of joy.

Why should I be happy to see others deceived ? Especially when I’ll get dragged down right alongside them, despite the fact that I’m long over being deceived.

Excuse me. The comic books are waiting. Today I was on hold with two different Gummint offices while they played footsie-ping-pong with my dangling relief claim. For a grand total of two hours.

I’ve got your “volunteerism” right here, Obama. For you and your two-headed party of sugar-coated parasites.

Fuck off.

34. mattes - 20 January 2009

UPDATEDX2 Rahm Emanuel puts halt to Bush’s Midnight regulations


Wednesdays Front Pages. International Edition.

35. ms_xeno - 20 January 2009

#8. Yeah, Bush’ll get his “just rewards.” Same as Nixon, no doubt. On the bright side, his first memoir will doubtless be no thicker/self-serving/tedious than Clinton I’s first memoir.

36. lucid - 20 January 2009

29 – Al Roker just said he was 45 when Kennedy was inaugurated… does that mean he’s now 93? Damn, he looks good for his age.

37. catnip - 20 January 2009

32. Hmm. I’ll have to say how that affects Omar Khadr’s trial which is already going on.

38. catnip - 20 January 2009

*say = see

27. And for now, I am willing to trust him.

Don’t trust anyone over 30. 😉

39. marisacat - 20 January 2009

oh I can easily sum up what I see as the incoming era … which media is working hard to call The Era of Obama… what I see however is a strong undertow (as it will be deadly) of

… and the good were saved.

No word will be available on anyone else. Unacceptable. It is not egalitarian, does nto even try to be, nor is it MODERN. And, again, does not even try to be… And it is riddled with built in excuses. Riddled with religion and an enforced consumerism of religion, strongly backed and promoted by media and the corporations..

BTW, the LAT has a very very dark view of the economic near future. By that they mean more than a couple years.


What Bush put in place very recently, under 30 days prior to leaving office, is easily overturned, if they wish to. BY EO, is one way. What Bush put in place before 30 days, is much harder. One reason I pointed out the HHS new regs on conscience were put in place 32 days ago.

40. lucid - 20 January 2009

Ms_X… I’m hoping for a little better, like he can never travel outside of the country again or be arrested for war crimes – a la Kissinger. Granted, I’d rather our country had the balls to arrest its own criminals, as opposed to putting pot smokers in jail, but you know… ‘we’ think the ‘other’ element is so revolutionary and all, and we have to protect the ‘public trust’.

41. catnip - 20 January 2009

Not a hollow victory. (They succeeded.)

42. BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2009

Ob….He is an appeaser. There it is.

A few of me screedies back, I was going over Last Weekends MTP.
40 min of gush from David Brooks on Ob-essence etc….

To his credit, Chuck Todd veered off the CW. He noted Obs leveraged promises as political kited checks (not his words there) and went on to characterize Ob fundamentally,- as an “APPEASER”- Todd’s take – He is an appeaser. tho he qualified it – perhaps unconsciously but accurately – as an “…appeaser, but not in the Neville Chamberlain sense…”

I see him as Clinton lll as much for his political instincts as his loading-up of their appointees. Bottom line is HE has a clear choice. Keep appeasing the Hawks, grifters and grafters or kiss his turn at the wheel goodbye. I think it can come that quick because of the liquidity crisis everywhere, we can’t put guns and butter on the tab anymore from China and the EU carrying our debt..And His hypnosis for continued sacrifice will hold only so long. And it has to be less with serious Central Bankers abroad.They’re not going to scrape to finance our Spec Houses let alone further Spec Wars…

So how does he do it? Cut the DOD?
Where does he get the money? He’s already watering down the kind of taxes needed to recoup the money. Instead, to get the money into the streets as he must do in the first term, they will just complete this bailout shafting, he’ll borrow back what money he can from the crooked class, higher interest rates along with it , and every bobblehead in DC will be in agreement that the deficit is of little concern now…

Ruling Class wealth and political dominance remains intact, secure and growing . It’s a game that has gone on for SO Long.
Some spending money for the feverish proles now, then the
conquest game plays on…

Cynical? You bet.

43. catnip - 20 January 2009

And you know his appeasement will be endlessly excused as some sort of foundation building for the ages (or some other lofty sentiment) to get critics to back off.

44. catnip - 20 January 2009

I think another part of my feeling of malaise is the fact that for 8 years I’ve wanted to stand up and yell, OPEN YOUR EYES!, to people who believed in Bush. And that was tough enough with righties on the “other side”. Now, we already have every Obama enabler and their dog on “this side” such as it is for(exhibit A – Boober’s slobber) rationalizing and justifying Obama’s moves just like Bush supporters did for their chosen one. Am I looking ward to 4 more years of that? Not a chance.

I give mattes props for at least facing the firing squad of cynics here. 😉

45. catnip - 20 January 2009

I’m pretty sure my keyboard is possessed (again).

46. diane - 20 January 2009

…just an opinion, but I don’t believe the writers at Black Agenda Report are a tiny minority of Black opinion re Obama……Obama doesn’t even approach having the life experience of the majority of Black Americans and everyone black and struggling is well aware of that fact….and well aware of the fact they will never even come close to reaching the emotional and economic safety level that Obama reached. My really bleak side entertains thoughts of a long grooming process, again the perfect trojan horse…kind of like Begin having been in a concentration camp.

The fact that Cheney and Bush aren’t in chains, and did everything they wanted to up until today near makes it an impossibility that this will be an administration set up to change things for the average citizen, it’s an Enormous Elephant in the middle of the Inaugural Ball.

47. CSTAR - 20 January 2009

What little I’ve read of today’s (err yesterday’s) events, it did some like quite a day. People believing in something intangible (hope, change, america?), or at least saying they believe in it. It seems to be the human inclination to believe in gods and saviors. Well I don’t; but who am I to be a source of others disillusionment? “Reality” usually suffices.

All I will say is: Mr Obama I wish you well. The clock is ticking.

It’s your watch now.

48. catnip - 20 January 2009


The adjournment request comes after U.S. navy military lawyer Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler said earlier Tuesday that prosecutors were seeking to suspend the tribunals until they could get more guidance from Obama’s administration on which direction to take.

Kuebler, who is representing Khadr, said Tuesday he would strenuously object to the request for a 120-day continuance because it would leave those accused in limbo for the next four months.

The military lawyer is instead seeking to have the charges against Khadr, the only Western citizen detained at Guantanamo, withdrawn completely by the U.S. Department of Defence.

The prosecution is already fucking around with the evidence in his trial. Enough is enough.

49. marisacat - 20 January 2009

It’s your watch now.

Well he has hidden in place, so to speak, for many years. IMO he will work hard to manage, in the sense that Reagan managed the scene. We’ll see how it goes. There’s a ton of fulminating fictionalising going on…

50. marisacat - 20 January 2009


well I am reminded that Jonathan Turley, when describing Chief Justice Roberts in teh run up to his confirmation hearing, said he was “hydroponically raised” for the position. If anyone other than Turley had come up with that characterisation, I would nto bother to pay attention.

51. catnip - 20 January 2009

46. lol

I was wondering today if Cheney paid off Roberts to screw up the oath. OTOH, I do remember Obamalama defending the man over at dkos way back when so maybe it was an innocent mistake.

52. lucid - 20 January 2009

The clock is ticking. It’s your watch now.


I would love for all of the hopes and dreams to be fulfilled. I would love for him to be a president that finally ended racial divide in this country… which quite frankly he could do in one fell swoop by ending the drug war, pardoning all non-violent drug prisoners, disbanding the DEA, and reinvesting all of those funds in urban rejuvenation initiatives… On top of that he could cut the defense budget in two, end all foreign wars and invest the money in the DOE, or at least in infrastructure development.

2 tiny initiatives, reversing ‘the politics of the past’…

Not likely.

53. catnip - 20 January 2009

oops…the lol was about Roberts being “hydroponically raised”. (50)

I can’t imagine what it must be like to live a groomed life. One you’ve chosen to groom yourself for or one that your elders have. My head would probably have exploded.

54. mattes - 20 January 2009

I agree with Billmon that Obama has a first rate mind, and that he has yet to uncover it. And we can only speculate on his methods, values and plans. But, I am quite sure we won’t have to wait too long.

As for the ruling class, I am doubtful there will be new world order anytime soon, [that would take revolution] but just maybe there will be catch net for those at the in the middle and bottom. And an end to the war on terror…drugs, etc.etc.

Obama at the Plate
by billmon

But I think they — as well as his erstwhile allies in the Democratic Congress — were the intended audience for his remarks, not the million or so crammed into the National Mall, or the millions more watching on TV.

When Obama said “we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics,” I was tempted to mentally add the phrase “or else” at the end — because to me it almost sounded like a threat. When he said that “our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions . . . has surely passed,” the impression I got wasn’t of a man looking at his watch, but rather of a boss getting ready to check time cards. Where the talking heads saw a “somber” and “serious” new president, I thought I saw a “stern” and, who knows, maybe even a hint of a “steely” one.

I realize I may be reading too much into the words and the tone — in a speech that may have meant little and mattered less. Maybe I’m just looking for some imaginary fulfillment of my long-frustrated wish for a tough, disciplined progressive leader with the will, the skill and the power to take names and crack heads, if necessary. “Make ’em feel the heat and they’ll see the light,” Ronald Reagan used to like to say — with a toothy smile, but believe me, nobody in Washington during his first term treated it as a joke.

Maybe such an animal — a tough progressive — is biologically impossible, like Dr. Doolittle’s Pushmepullyou. Even using the words “tough” and “progressive” in the same sentence has a distinctly oxymoronic ring to it, at least in the context of the past eight (or 16 or 32) years in Washington. But it wasn’t always so. There was a time when strong, crafty leaders like FDR and the Reuther brothers called the shots, and aggressive, even ruthless, liberal operatives like Tommy “the Cork” Corcoran and Jimmy Byrnes and Joe Rauh cheerfully applied the political brass knuckles, sending pudgy, terrified Republicans scurrying for cover. But that kind of liberal tough-guy political style seems to have died with Bobby Kennedy.

Can it ever be revived? I’d sure like to find out. A president with sky-high public approval ratings and a devoted grassroots following, possessed of a first-rate mind and temperament, in the middle of a financial crisis that has discredited corporate America and virtually disembowled conservative economic dogma, and with some of Chicago’s most disciplined ward bosses on his payroll . . . well, you would think he’d bring a pretty powerful left hook into the ring, right?

That president would let both his allies and his opponents know there is a purpose behind his centrist positioning and bipartisan rhetoric, that having pushed his approval ratings into the high 70s — higher than any incoming president in recent memory — and walled his most irreconcilable critics up in their own demented conspiracy theories (a ghetto they appear more than happy to confine themselves in)he intends to use those benefits to their maximum advantage — negotiating when the process requires it, compromising when compromise is in the best interests of his overall program, but blasting obstructionists (be they diehard GOP wingnuts or two-faced Blue Dog cowards) to political kingdom come if he can. He might do it politely, or say it with a smile (ala Reagan) or even wrap it in lofty rhetoric, but the message would be clear.


55. marisacat - 20 January 2009

And an end to the war on terror…drugs, etc.etc.

Won’t be ending. Biden is a big War on Drugger.. as is Rahm. And AG Holder too. And not a thing on earth will convince me it was not a fully considered component (global drug sales) of The War on Afghanistan.

56. mattes - 20 January 2009

Speaking of which:

Russia OKs U.S. use of routes into Afghanistan
Several Central Asian nations also allow access, general says

SLAMABAD, Pakistan – The U.S. has struck deals with Russia and neighboring countries allowing it to transport supplies to American troops in Afghanistan through their territory, the head of U.S. Central Command said Tuesday.


They should just legalize the opium.

57. lucid - 20 January 2009

Heh – I’m just talking about what would be good, not what will be not done…

58. marisacat - 20 January 2009


Don’t know if it is true but a story has come out, think Politico had it, that Obrama wanted to vote for Roberts, but a senior aide of his convinced him to vote ”NO”… that it would haunt any run for the WH with Dem voters.

Dem voters being useful every cycle.. and not in between.

59. mattes - 20 January 2009

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy…
Greeted by tossed eggs at his first Inauguration
Booed at his outgoing:

.night all.

60. marisacat - 20 January 2009

They should just legalize the opium.

Various many and sundry prohibitions is where we are headed. NOT in the direction of any liberalisation. Much less legalisation.

Decades ago it was suggested by So and C American diplomatic corps that we should consider simply buying the product of certain countries, Peru for one, in the issue of cocaine, for one. Buy it up, destroy it, do whatever.. but do not force farmers and growers at the bottom to starvation. We never did it. At least not in that way. Tho imo we surely support the illegal trade, while railing legislating and declaring wars over it.

Mind bending.

Illegal drug trade, the gangs etc, are very important to the furtherance of NorCom, Northern Command. And ICE.. and DEA… and on and on. Just my opinion.

61. lucid - 20 January 2009

Obrama… I like it – almost has the feel of a hindu diety gone bad. Or, a hindu diety gone good, fighting for the brahmans… Well, in religious discourse, regardless of the personal sacrifice, if you fight for the ruling class, you’re always golden.

62. lucid - 20 January 2009

Illegal drug trade, the gangs etc, are very important to the furtherance of NorCom, Northern Command. And ICE.. and DEA… and on and on. Just my opinion.

Why the most just thing that should be done, will never be done.

63. catnip - 20 January 2009

So billmon wants Reagan II? Or did I miss something?

That president would let both his allies and his opponents know there is a purpose behind his centrist positioning and bipartisan rhetoric,

I find it quite interesting that the recurring meme on these so-called progressive blogs is that Obama’s centrism is just a tactic. I guess that’s what you have to believe in order to keep living in Denial Land (which is just down the road from Disneyland, btw.)

Oh, and apparently Obama’s supporters don’t drink kool-aid. It’s Pepsi for this generation.

64. BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2009

IB MAMZ on the tranfer of power…

Moulitsas is a tic tac for butt breath.


Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 12:09:36 PM PST

Hey, whatever happened to the people who claimed that Bush would never give up power?

They were hilarious.

First of all, a bullshit frame.
Perhaps there was some guy named Ned Shenkman blogging to that effect quite literally from his neo-lib bunker.

Nonetheless, it was raised as a prospective danger by –
ya know- scores of American Legal Scholars who caught a few things on the Unitary Executive that Markos the Chipmunk Lawyer/ Web Shill must’ve missed all while busy with his tittering.

So go to the record.
We’ll even save Moulitsas the embarrassment of reviewing six years of HIS record shilling for Dems who really really really
Cross- My-Heart-Promise would go after Bush…. Next cycle.

Bush operated with impunity and DID accomplish his mission, the .
Ransacking generations of public and private wealth for his clientele.
He moved the entire baseline of Justice, and has left without a practical scratch on him.

Prosecution for and War Crimes,geneva Convention Violations and Impeachment for litany of Domestic Crimes taken off the table..

Yeh, real hilarious there, Specialist Moulitsas.
MAMZ is left brokering the least valuable people in the political equation…Obama has his own web ops now, quite apart from Markos…

65. BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2009

LOL, that billmon.

realize I may be reading too much into the words and the tone — in a speech that may have meant little and mattered less. Maybe I’m just looking for some imaginary fulfillment of my long-frustrated wish for a tough, disciplined progressive leader with….

A “Safe”-word?

66. catnip - 20 January 2009

lol BHHM

67. bayprairie - 20 January 2009

IB that stew sounds yummy. i’d be curious to know the name of those asian ginger and soy cured beans. teenie bean pickles! sounds like you’re using them as one would miso.

68. marisacat - 20 January 2009

catnip out of moderation… Sorry!


69. marisacat - 20 January 2009


Well i n fairness it is my contraction of what The Chicago Reader calls their Obama archive. “ObamaRama” (and their archive, while not too large, is interesting)

Agree it has a Hindu divinity sound to it… LOL… should suit him. Great mythical stories of how ObRama met Ganesh… and so on.

70. marisacat - 21 January 2009


None other than Moyer, taping at Charlie Rose at about 5 pm on election day in 2004 wondered outloud if Bush could not pull out a win if there might be a coup.

The RW went to war immediately against Moyers… via PBS. The big assualt, full blown finally, on public television (such as it is after decades of becoming mulch). I watched all the hearings. The result, Moyers left NOW, it devolved to Brancaccio, cut to a half hour, moved to 11 pm (at least here) and after almost a year, Moyers comes back with the Journal, using NO public monies. It is fully foundation funded. Fully.

71. marisacat - 21 January 2009

oh god. The Charlie RT cannot get worse. Vernon Jordan. Al Hunt. Tom Friedman. Doris The Eternal… and Jon Meacham. What, Sally Quinn needed to wash her hair?


72. marisacat - 21 January 2009

Not like it is nooooz… but just for form’s sake:

Want to know where the $350 billion banking bailout went and why it hasn’t done a bit of good? Read, and weep over, this little-noticed report from the congressional panel set up to monitor the Treasury Department’s distribution of our taxpayer funds.

The money has done little to ease the credit crunch and has given no help to those facing foreclosure. Instead, it has been used to fatten the accounts of the very banks that got us into this mess. In the face of such devastating criticism of the Treasury Department by a panel set up by Congress to monitor the spending, our representatives went right ahead and allocated another $350 billion.

The executive summary of the Congressional Oversight Panel (COP) report follows. For the full report, click here.

73. marisacat - 21 January 2009


Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University, was hosting an inauguration party at his home in McLean, Va., Tuesday and did a mock swearing-in of 35 children. When Roberts erred, one child shouted: “That’s not right!”

“He should probably go ahead and take the oath again,” Turley said. “If he doesn’t, there are going to be people who for the next four years are going to argue that he didn’t meet the constitutional standard. I don’t think it’s necessary, and it’s not a constitutional crisis. This is the chief justice’s version of a wardrobe malfunction.

74. Intermittent Bystander - 21 January 2009

NYCO at 6 – Aha. That explains quite a bit, I guess. I see that Bush’s efforts to limit state-sponsored children’s health insurance affected a planned expansion of Oklahoma’s progam recently, too. Obama Will Ease Restraints on States’ Health Insurance Programs for Children. (NYT, 1/19/09.)

Under the Bush policy, the federal government said it would not allow states to cover children from families with annual incomes above 250 percent of the poverty level — $53,000 for a family of four — unless they met several preconditions. To qualify, a state must demonstrate that at least 95 percent of eligible children in families making less than 200 percent of the poverty level have already been enrolled in Medicaid or the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

The purpose of the requirement, the White House says, is to make sure states focus on poor children first.

The Bush policy also requires states to establish waiting periods, so middle-income children do not go directly from a private health plan to a public program. Such youngsters must be uninsured for one year before they can enroll in the children’s health program.

BHHM at 64 – Bush operated with impunity and DID accomplish his mission . . . moved the entire baseline of Justice, and has left without a practical scratch on him.

Prosecution for and War Crimes,geneva Convention Violations and Impeachment for litany of Domestic Crimes taken off the table..

Yeh, real hilarious there, Specialist Moulitsas.

Yep. Even yesterday, I had a momentary “alternate universe” hallucination involving a sudden rush to W and Cheney by agents with handcuffs and leg-irons, as the podium ceremonies concluded. No such luck, of course.

bay at 67 – Here are several types of Fermented black beans, and though I haven’t tried all the brands shown, I agree with the blogger that the Yang Jiang Preserved Black Beans with Ginger (in yellow cylindrical carton) are pretty darn fab. You can also toss a few into a stir-fry, for extra flavor. (Just check ’em out for saltiness before piling them on, the first time.)

75. catnip - 21 January 2009
76. NYCO - 21 January 2009

23. Lucid, I agree with all you’ve posted here.

The “History Monster” is a creature of the present, not of the past.

77. catnip - 21 January 2009

Here’s a headline that says it all: Arabs hope for Obama change, Israelis expect more of same

78. catnip - 21 January 2009

So, today is the infamous “Day One”, right? Let’s see how all the hype pans out.

79. mattes - 21 January 2009

Culling, like I said…

‘I felt it was my duty to protest’
The Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe,

“It was,” he concedes. “I thought long and hard before using it, and my publisher [Oneworld Publications] hesitated. But I don’t think that the military and political elite has given up on the policy of ethnic cleansing. They think that the survival, and certainly the prosperity, of the Jewish state is connected to its ability to minimise the numbers of Palestinians living within its borders – although it has not yet decided where those borders should be.”

In 2005, Pappe and two friends wrote a warning online that Israeli settlers were being moved out of Gaza to allow government forces a free hand to bomb the residents of that overcrowded strip of land. When the current bombardment began at the end of last year, the Israeli government argued that it was trying to protect its citizens from rocket attacks by Hamas. But, says Pappe: “Those rocket attacks didn’t start until after Israel had blockaded Gaza.”


I am so tired of Israel framing the argument for the world leaders.

They throw sand in everyone’s eyes. They are still winning the war of words because everyone still seems to accept the framing.

80. catnip - 21 January 2009

But the tide of global hope that has surged with Obama’s arrival has not reached Gaza, where more than 400 children were among the dead and 5,000 people were wounded in Israel’s war on the impoverished territory.

“Obama won’t bring my husband back to life,” said Leila Khalil. “He was martyred and left me with six children to feed on my own. And Obama won’t repair our house that was damaged in the (air) raids.”

81. mattes - 21 January 2009

The war on citizen media, how will Zionists attempt control Facebook, Youtube, google and Yahoo:


82. catnip - 21 January 2009

The Geithner hearing is on C-SPAN 2.

83. Intermittent Bystander - 21 January 2009

PS re fermented beans: Brand packaging may have recently changed from yellow to red.

81 – That’s funny, the Prayer Service at the National Cathedral is live on MSNBC.

84. mattes - 21 January 2009
85. wu ming - 21 January 2009

now they’re saying it openly: republicans are intentionally trying to drive CA into bankruptcy in order to break unions and destroy social welfare.

for just barely over a third of the legislature to be able to drive the whole state over a cliff is insane.

86. mattes - 21 January 2009

Breaking….order to close down Gito on the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

87. mattes - 21 January 2009

Obama’s methods.

IMO. NY fed is responsible for Wall Street meltdown. The fed was created to insure that the HEALTH of the banking sector.

So now people like Geithner need to answer some interesting questions.

When asked about his failure to pay taxes from 2001 to 2004 Mr. Geithner stated, “I should have been more careful.”

, translation…I belong to the class that is entitled to not have to pay all my taxes. Ha!

Getting drilled on depression!! “support banking system”

88. mattes - 21 January 2009

Hillary hearing….’all foreign donations should go online’

89. mattes - 21 January 2009


90. catnip - 21 January 2009

I see Geithner headed for some sort of scandal beyond what’s already come out. (So my spidey senses tell me.) I don’t like him – his mannerisms, the way he talks, that “if looks could kill” eyeballing that he does, his non-answer answers etc etc.

91. mattes - 21 January 2009

…not a happy man. I love it!

92. mattes - 21 January 2009

“would you have paid your taxes, IF YOU had not been nominated” hehehe.

93. mattes - 21 January 2009

Obama Calls For Gitmo To Close Within Year
Unknown If President Will Issue Order

The Obama administration is circulating a draft executive order that calls for closing the detention center at Guantanamo Bay within a year.

The draft order also would declare a halt to all trials currently under way at the facility.

Closing the facility in Cuba “would further the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice,” read the draft prepared for the new president’s signature.


94. mattes - 21 January 2009

“tired of exotic tools…” Cautwell….any “tool” to be reviewed before implimentation…. Baucus drilling him too.

95. mattes - 21 January 2009

Breaking: Iglesias to prosecute
terror cases

Madman…comments? Good right?

96. catnip - 21 January 2009

I’d like to know why Obama didn’t announce that any prosecution of Khadr would violate the Geneva Conventions since he was a child soldier. It doesn’t take an extra 120 days to figure that out.

97. catnip - 21 January 2009

93. Iglesias? Matt? Julio?

98. mattes - 21 January 2009

Grassley on now.

Baucus was great.

I believe that it was the New York fed who was behind the privatizing of social security. Bausus called him on the fact that we are borrowing from SS, and that it is the medical costs that need to be analyzed. And remember it was Moodys that was behind the threat to devalue the US Treasury if they did not privatize SS. Probably on orders from the fed.

I’d like to see this man drilled for days and then not get confirmed!!

99. mattes - 21 January 2009

You are funny catnip. 😛

Give Obama time.

Geithner looks like a evil eff.

100. mattes - 21 January 2009

‘ they gave me a waver on penalties….BUT it had NOTHING to do with the fact that I was head of the New York Fed…’

101. catnip - 21 January 2009

Someone get his wife some toothpicks to keep her eyes open with.

102. marisacat - 21 January 2009



catnip ….out of moderation… 😳

Sorry!! Several from each…

103. catnip - 21 January 2009

So, he paid the 2003-2004 taxes way back when and then paid the 2001-2002 taxes when this came out publicly even though the statute of limitations had run out and he didn’t have to?

104. mattes - 21 January 2009

I just love seeing the fed officials lie under oath.

evil elf…licking his lips as he lies.

105. mattes - 21 January 2009

Top lip shaking….’I should not have to be answering these questions….don’t YOU know who I am!!!’

106. mattes - 21 January 2009

Taken from dk, I missed some of it, but now I want to watch the whole thing.

In 2006 the IRS conduct an audit on TG only to discover he owed $16,732 [interest included] for not paying his tax obligations concerning social security and Medicare obligations. Of course this was quickly paid and I’m sure he prayed daily the relevant paperwork would somehow disappear. Working for an international organization at the time (International Monitory Fund) they do not withhold this money thus rely on their employees to declare it as part of their own PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

I seem to remember that’s been one of President Obama’s strongest messages from the first stump speeches right through to his inaugural!!!

The IMF are pedantic in educating their global workers what is taxable and what is not and continually urge all to follow the rules studiously.

OK, let’s say TG wasn’t paying much attention to any of this petty tax stuff – after all he’s a ‘financial genius’ as we’re told endlessly by his supporters, however even this oracle of numbers must surely now be aware, after the audit, of his unpaid (with ever-growing interest) tax obligations to the IRS from 2001 & 2002 and smartly pay them.

Ahh no. Recent evidence shows he did exactly the same thing (withhold the same categories of tax money) in 2001 & 2002 owing $26,270 [interest included]. However, there’s a 3 year statute of limitations on said matter so the IRS could do no audit or even investigate. So instead of doing what he now has to convince every tax payer in America to do during an ice-cold recession – DON’T BE A TAX DODGER – he did exactly that by not paying back the money. No no no, he waited for a reason.

* President Obama announces his choices for the financial team on November 24. TG is nominated for Treasury Secretary and like magic he recovers his conscience and within 3 days pays the full amount he’s been owing the IRS for 7 years.

I mean is this guy not a classic case for slime-ball tactics to avoid – or at least minimize paying tax by testing the legal boundaries right to the limit.

Oh, and by the way, do you think he would have paid that $26,270 from 2001 & 2002 unless nominated by Obama???

*A similar lapse occurred on another tax issue. On returns for 2001, 2004 and 2005, TG wrongly claimed expenses for sleep-away camps in calculating his dependent care tax credit. The accountant who prepared his 2006 return informed him that payments to overnight camps were not allowable expenses, but again, he did not file amended returns for the previous years at that time. This left him owing another $5,566 [interest included] to the IRS.
* As president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York he has been right in the middle of – and instrumental in the whole TARP fiasco…the less said about that the better!


107. marisacat - 21 January 2009

Geithner is a flaming neurotic. And not in a good way…

108. marisacat - 21 January 2009

LOL have they mentioned yet there was a 2006 Amnesty on that very type of tax scoflaw?

he had so many opportunities to make this right before late November.

Why did Obster pick him?

109. catnip - 21 January 2009

106. Thanks for that timeline. The hearing wasn’t all that exciting but if you’re interested in what the Obama administration’s policies are going to be, it’s worth watching.

Geithner repeatedly noted how “complex” these financial things were but I don’t recall him pledging to simplify any of it.

110. marisacat - 21 January 2009


wu ming…

There have been persistent rumors that Arnold Schwarzenegger is planning for, and maybe hoping for, this outcome. One rumor even had him angling to get appointed as the Trustee, although that isn’t likely to be permissible even if the rumor was accurate.

from the link.

Yes, but who facilitated Arnold? After his involvement in the siege on CA via the ISOs? 2001 anyone?

Who instructed Gray (imo) nto to make a full counter offensive run in the Recall? I never once voted for Gray but his middle name was “fights like a Republican”… none of that on view.

Who did not support Angelides? State wide, from big fundraisers (Dreamworks shits, loved watching Jews support an all but nazi) to rank and file Dems, to Sacto Dems? Who?

Why was there a deal with Arnold, from the get go?

What about the assault (from Bush Cheney Arnold) we were under in 2001 did they NOT get?


It is NOT just one third of the Assembly.

111. mattes - 21 January 2009

“Why did Obster pick him?”….hmmm justice works in mysterious ways.

2006 Amnesty? I wonder how this was justified?

ah, he is schumer’s boy. ‘The man has paid his dues’…if not his taxes…

112. catnip - 21 January 2009

Time for the LaHood hearing.

113. marisacat - 21 January 2009

Plus all the while Geithner was in possession of the money. He got it from the IMF, with the expectation he would take care of paying the taxes.

It is just such penny ante stuff.

Aside from teh fact his hands have been all over the past few months. Which was just thievery from the American people.

114. mattes - 21 January 2009

Obama freezes salaries of some White House aides[andmore]

President Barack Obama’s first public act in office Wednesday was to institute new limits on lobbyists in his White House and to freeze the salaries of high-paid aides, in a nod to the country’s economic turmoil.

Announcing the moves while attending a ceremony in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building to swear in his staff, Obama said the steps “represent a clean break from business as usual.”

The pay freeze, first reported by The Associated Press, would hold salaries at their current levels for the roughly 100 White House employees who make over $100,000 a year.
Obama’s new lobbying rules will not only ban aides from trying to influence the administration when they leave his staff. Those already hired will be banned from working on matters they have previously lobbied on, or to approach agencies that they once targeted.

The rules also ban lobbyists from giving gifts of any size to any member of his administration.

The new rules also require that anyone who leaves his administration is not allowed to try to influence former friends and colleagues for at least two years.

In an attempt to deliver on pledges of a transparent government, Obama said he would change the way the federal government interprets the Freedom of Information Act. He said he was directing agencies that vet requests for information to err on the side of making information public — not to look for reasons to legally withhold it — an alteration to the traditional standard of evaluation.

Just because a government agency has the legal power to keep information private does not mean that it should, Obama said.


Love the new use of Clean Break.

115. marisacat - 21 January 2009

2006 Amnesty? I wonder how this was justified?

becasue IRS does that periodically for various forms of non payment. WSJ reported it early on in the dissection of Mr Geithner.

116. catnip - 21 January 2009

One thing I found interesting during the Geithner hearing was questioning by someone who said the CBO had looked at Obamalama’s stimulus plan and found that the money really won’t have much of an impact (paraphrasing) until 2010 i.e. it’s not the quick fix they’re promising. Geithner responded by saying that they’re looking at faster ways to get the money out. Hmmm… Isn’t that what they did with the TARP money? Rush rush rush and clean up the mess later.

117. aemd - 21 January 2009

A short piece from Jesse on Geithner.

“The topics discussed early on are billions more needed for the banks (or else), and reform is badly needed to control the deficit.

And of course the need to restore ‘confidence.’ Confidence is a touchstone word like 911. Fear and security. The carrot and the stick.

The reforms discussed were reducing Social Security and Medicaid, and lowering corporate income taxes.

It is the banks that have caused the current deficit problems, and banking reform was never even breached as a topic.”

118. marisacat - 21 January 2009

It is the banks that have caused the current deficit problems, and banking reform was never even breached as a topic.”

LOL And it won’t be discussed. The second tranche is more of the same. Plus god knows how much of the 800 – 1 trillion will be squandered.

119. marisacat - 21 January 2009


I linked to a very pessimistic piece in the LAT last night. Projecting that unemployment will be higher at close of first admin than currently.

If they don’t structurally change the financial system, we are just in the same cesspool…

Entirely possibly. Esp as things are not planned, it seems to me, to really help. Money just keeps flowing by. And bye.

120. NYCO - 21 January 2009

Freezing executive staff pay is the classic treading-water move of the organization that doesn’t wish to actually change the way it’s been doing business.

It’s show, nothing more.

Dig beneath the surface and you’ll see that the “example” never extends to cutting actual administrative bloat (military, corporate, whatever is bloated), but the peasantry is thus encouraged to accept layoffs and cutbacks among their own numbers.

121. Intermittent Bystander - 21 January 2009
122. marisacat - 21 January 2009

Nu post


……………… 😆 …………………

123. marisacat - 21 January 2009


he’s so clearly governing by headline. It is going to be tiresome. Is tiresome.

124. mattes - 21 January 2009

From your linK

“I believe Tim Geithner only represents part of Wall Street – Goldman Sachs,” he says, suggesting Goldman was the “primary beneficiary of the AIG bailout” and notes Goldman alum Stephen Friedman serves on the board of the NY Fed. (Hank Paulson and Robert Rubin, with whom Geithner had frequent meetings in the past year, are also Goldman alum.)…

GM, the only one left that has held value over $50. I agree that this man is part of the problem, but he has yet to be confirmed.

Some fed people were questioned the other day and I tried to find the cspan link, I ended up calling them, and they said that it would not be released. hmm.

Maybe this is the only way to get the Fed on record as to what they are up to. For sure their answer to everything seems to be the privatization of SS, which if Bush had passed it would have dumped more money into the markets…slightly delaying the meltdown and more money for brokers in fees and bonuses.

obster must know this….

125. marisacat - 21 January 2009


… the only way to get the Fed on record as to what they are up to…

mattes.. epople know what they are up to. Government is FACILITATING the Fed.

If god is always exempted… its not Ob it everybody else, its Schumer, it the Fed, its Geithner.. we are face down in a shithole.

We really are.

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