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What a saga… 22 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Democrats, Divertissements, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, U.S. Senate.


A story of updates… Gothamist and Gawker Gothamist updated for hours...

UPDATE 11:24 p.m.: It’s the NY dailies versus the Associated Press: The AP spoke to a source (one who is not “authorized to speak for Kennedy”) who “says she has renewed her determination to win appointment to the U.S. Senate seat once held by her slain uncle, Sen. Bobby Kennedy.” Basically Uncle Ted’s seizure only gave her “misgivings” but the source seems to think she’s still going for it. Are Cuomo, Gillibrand, Maloney et al. hoping the AP has it wrong?

Please, Caroline, go home.  No matter the reason.

The Post‘s original, cryptic scoop offered no rationale for Kennedy’s withdrawal. Then, a person “told of [Kennedy’s] decision” told the Times Kennedy chalked the move up to her worries about Sen. Ted Kennedy’s ill health.

People immediately started calling bullshit. Ted Kennedy has been on deathwatch since before the start of Kennedy’s non-bid bid for senate. Now she’s worried?

What a story.  The whole thing, not just the squibble of fiction dribbled out at the end..

NYT (who, I see, went with a photo from December of CKS at the Gee Whiz diner, so appropriate):

Mrs. Clinton resigned from the Senate on Wednesday, immediately after being sworn in as secretary of state. The governor has said privately and publicly that he would like to select a woman to succeed her, noting that if he were to choose a man, the number of female senators would drop to just 16.

So, Gillibrand moves up?  And Maloney?  (Not as if I know… I just guess from 2,700 + miles away.)  I feel like I am at a table of donated items at the Goodwill, or the St Vincent de Paul.  Charity.  How miserable it all is.


In other news, not unrelated… Tapper on with Charlie.. saying, when asked about the relationship of Team Obama (don’t get too close and ask about Gawd there, Charlie!) to the media..

Well some of us try to report from our feet rather than our knees.

Local Democratic aligned talk radio is bitching, as I flip it on at 1:18 am to see what is up, that Hannity refers to Obster as “the Messiah”.  ”How dare he”.  And “it’s just plain wrong”.

Then quit with crafting that bullshit… it seems simple to me.

Good luck to all.


1. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Just saw this at Press TV:

Israeli gunboat targets Gaza civilians

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:24:15 GMT

A Palestinian medical official says an Israeli gunboat off the shores of Gaza City has opened fire on Gazans, wounding a man and a girl.

Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said Thursday that a shell fired by the gunboat hit a house in a beachside refugee camp. He said the wounded were passersby in the street, AP reported.

Gunboats off Gaza have been firing for several days despite a cease-fire, which ended a three-week Israeli offensive, being in place.

The humanitarian situation in the besieged strip has not changed as the Gaza blockade continues.

Israeli military operations have exacerbated the already dire humanitarian crisis in Gaza by destroying civilian infrastructures during the invasion. Gazans are facing harsh conditions without food, water, fuel and electricity. …snip…

The “International Community” is useless… we cannot even get a killing blockade lifted. And why would we, we promote targeting civilians as a fully credible and permissable act of war.

2. marisacat - 22 January 2009

hmm This at anti-war says there is a plan kicking around (I would bet it is an old plan, resuscitated) to shift prisoners from Guantanamo to some of the larger bases… like Pendleton and Leavenworth. large enough bases to allow the building of safe secure and ‘isolated” containment facilities…

And sqawking emits, from congress critters, mostly, at least identified, R persuasion.

I wonder how many of those held at Gitmo are quilty of anything. Some, certainly. And it sounds like we want Europe to agree to take some of the most embarrassing. The fully innocent.

3. marisacat - 22 January 2009


[M]ore than likely, the order will show that Obama is trying to turn a page from the Bush administration, but that he is going to leave himself some flexibility regarding how he plans to deal with the detainees.

“Look for the Obama administration to distance itself from the Bush administration but not as fully as some would like,” says Matt Waxman, who served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs in the Bush administration. “Obama will want to make a break, but no president wants to give away presidential war powers.”

In the motion filed last night, prosecutors laid out the administration’s options: “Implicit in this review is the possibility that the administration may forgo prosecution in certain cases altogether, move prosecution of some or all cases to federal district courts, and/or make changes to the rules and procedures applicable to military commissions.” …snip…

4. marisacat - 22 January 2009

fwiw, in the FT:

France wary on sending more Afghan troops

By Ben Hall in Paris

Published: January 21 2009 12:33 | Last updated: January 21 2009 19:39

France’s defence minister on Wednesday appeared to rule out any immediate reinforcement of French troops in Afghanistan if requested by Barack Obama, the new US president.

Hervé Morin said deploying additional French forces to the war-torn country was “not a question for now”.

France had, he said, already made the “necessary efforts” when it sent 700 extra troops to Afghanistan six months ago, taking the total to 2,900. …snip…

However! None other than Judith Miller says:

Pentagon sources say it’s likely that France will announce after Obama’s inauguration that it will add a “significant” number of troops to the roughly 3,500 deployed in Afghanistan as part of the NATO alliance effort.

And this too frm Miller (can’t we run her out of the country? can’t she go wear borrowed camo somewhere else?)… as the years stretch out in front of us……………….

In her confirmation hearings last week, Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton dubbed the administration’s new approach to Afghanistan a “more for more” strategy, involving not only more American forces (some military analysts predict that as many as eight to ten brigades, or 60,000 to 75,000 troops, will ultimately be required for five to ten years), but also more support from America’s NATO allies and better governance from Afghan president Hamid Karzai.

5. NYCO - 22 January 2009

The spectacle of all those “unnamed Kennedy Family source” statements was rich. I knew when the NYT didn’t change its online story (or changed it very little) for hours that she was going down. Boy, we sure have had a couple of dramatic lessons in real-time political euthanasia over the past year – first Spitzer, now this.

It’s just as well… she was a lame candidate and the media would have just hounded her for two solid years if she was picked.

6. marisacat - 22 January 2009

she was a lame candidate and the media would have just hounded her for two solid years if she was picked.

agree… it would have been very tedious… I caught a comment from Birdsall of Baruch U saying it “now goes back wehre it should have been, sought by politicians who have won at least one race, voted on by at least some NYers”…

on the money.

7. NYCO - 22 January 2009

6. What really killed her, I think, was the revelation that she had not been voting. It was after that came out, that you felt the ardor toward her distinctly cool, even among the Democratic hoi polloi.

It’s something that an ordinary celebrity candidate might have been able to brush off, but not a Kennedy.

8. marisacat - 22 January 2009

the not voting is deadly.. even if partisans among voters over look it. It was an issue with Edwards (he barely bothered voting, primaries, involvment with the D party, dropping in at conventions, nothing til tapped to self fund and run) and Duckworth as well.

She (CKS) was an itinerant voter, at best, and had not financially endorsed either the party or candidates. It was glaring.

9. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Bloomberg on the jobs loss report out to day

U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Match Highest Since ’82 (Update1)

By Shobhana Chandra

Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) — The number of Americans filing first- time claims for unemployment benefits matched the highest level in 26 years as firings forced more workers to seek government assistance in a deepening recession.

Initial jobless claims increased by 62,000 to 589,000, more than forecast, in the week ended Jan. 17, from a revised 527,000 the prior week, a Labor Department report showed today in Washington.

Employers who cut 2.6 million U.S. jobs last year may continue to shed workers, weighing on spending and prolonging the slump. …

“Job losses will continue through the first part of the year and could extend all the way through 2009,” Ellen Zentner, a senior U.S. economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York, said before the report. …

Retailers are coming off the worst holiday sales season in at least four decades, manufacturers remain in a downturn, and other industries also are contributing to mounting job losses.

10. marisacat - 22 January 2009

HA! At 10:47 PM ET last night.. Josh Marshall managed this on the Kennedy fandango:

It is possible that all of this drama is part of a single, highly coordinated plan and constitutes the first withdrawal through self-immolation performance art.

11. marisacat - 22 January 2009

On and on it goes. Whatever did McGovern expect? Both Obster and Hilarious supported ramping up Afghanistan.. and had designs on Pakistan, at the very least. Geesh. Down toward the bottom he calls for a 5 year time out from war.

Calling a Time Out

By George McGovern Thursday, January 22, 2009

As you settle into the Oval Office, Mr. President, may I offer a suggestion? Please do not try to put Afghanistan aright with the U.S. military. To send our troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan would be a near-perfect example of going from the frying pan into the fire. There is reason to believe some of our top military commanders privately share this view. And so does a broad and growing swath of your party and your supporters.

True, the United States is the world’s greatest power — but so was the British Empire a century ago when it tried to pacify the warlords and tribes of Afghanistan, only to be forced out after excruciating losses. For that matter, the Soviet Union was also a superpower when it poured some 100,000 troops into Afghanistan in 1979. They limped home, broken and defeated, a decade later, having helped pave the way for the collapse of the Soviet Union. …………

12. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

In the immortal words of Ms. Mitchell:

Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels
The dizzy dancing way you feel
As ev’ry fairy tale comes real
I’ve looked at love that way

But now it’s just another show
You leave ’em laughing when you go
And if you care, don’t let them know
Don’t give yourself away

Thanks for all the chuckles, princess! (You too, pullers, pushers, Paterson, and polls!) Look forward to your next comedy stylings – whenever!

Um, waiter, can we get an extra senator here please?

13. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Mufflered laughter in moderation . . . .

And we have another update from nonny-mouse sources to Capitol Confidential:

An aide to Caroline Kennedy said that it was a “personal situation, not involving Sen. Ted Kennedy” that prompted her to withdraw from the race.

The aide said Kennedy was “getting positive indications both personally and professionally” that she would be favored by Gov. David Paterson. The aide couched that assertion in saying that she had not been informed of a decision made by the governor, but that she had been getting a “decent indication” that it would go her way.

In the early afternoon on Wednesday, Kennedy became aware of a personal situation that did not involve her uncle, Sen. Ted Kennedy.

“After thinking about it for awhile,” Kennedy called the governor, asking to be withdrawn from consideration.

The governor “graciously” suggested that Kennedy think about it for 24 hours before making her final decision.

Between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m. last night, Kennedy told the governor that she was no longer interested.

In between the afternoon when she indicated that she might drop out, and the evening when she made her final decision, the NY Times and New York Post began to report that Kennedy was dropping out.

Chat with her accountant? Kids’ psychiatrist? Confession from hubby? Unmarked envelope with topless photos, Masonic videos, and/or numbers of Zurich accounts?

14. catnip - 22 January 2009


better governance from Afghan president Hamid Karzai.

Kind of late for that. There’s a presidential election this year, isn’t there? It’s not about Karzai anyway. The corruption in his government is already firmly entrenched.

15. catnip - 22 January 2009

AP, Reuters and Agence France-Presse Refuse to Distribute Obama Photo

NEW YORK Three news agencies refused to distribute White House-provided photos of President Barack Obama in the Oval Office on Wednesday, arguing that access should have been provided to news photographers.

The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse said the White House was breaking with long-standing tradition in not allowing news photographers to capture the president at work in the Oval Office on his first day.

“We are not distributing what are, in effect, visual press releases,” said Michael Oreskes, managing editor for U.S. news at the AP.

The news agencies have used White House-provided images in the past for areas in the White House where media access is generally not permitted, such as the Situation Room or the private residence. But they contend that the Oval Office is the public office of the president and photographers should have access rather than rely on a government handout.


16. catnip - 22 January 2009


Paterson said that on Wednesday he would begin reviewing the candidates’ responses to the 28-page questionnaires he had asked applicants to complete. The forms asked about personal finances and other background issues, many of which Kennedy has long shielded from the public.

Kennedy, an author, lawyer and fundraiser for New York City schools, has long guarded her privacy, and the questionnaires were expected to include some closely guarded Kennedy financial data.

Paterson had said he thought the candidates’ responses would be confidential because it was his personal request that they fill them out. But the state’s open-government expert and good-government groups told the AP that once the forms were written and submitted to the governor at least some of the responses would be subject to public review under the state Freedom of Information Law.

I’d guess that’s the reason she dropped out.

17. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Curses! FOILed o’gain!

18. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Cripes. Looks like we dodged more than a dynasty here. Though the dysfunction is as thorough as ever!

From Liz Benjamin at Daily News:

Pushback Begins
January 22, 2009

The “personal issues” that caused Caroline Kennedy abruptly quit her bid for Hillary Clinton’s old US Senate seat early this morning are a “tax problem and a potential nanny issue,” a source close to Gov. David Paterson told DN Capitol Bureau Chief Ken Lovett.

“She was facing some potentially embarssing personal issues” that came up during the vetting process, the source said.

After 18 hours of silence, Paterson’s circle struck back at the daughter of Camelot, saying she was not a finalist for the job, although no formal statement from the governor has been issued.

“The governor had no intention of picking her because it was clear she wasn’t ready for prime time after her botched rollout,” the source said. “The events of the last day just proves why he wasn’t going to pick her.”

According to the source, Kennedy called Paterson yesterday afternoon saying she was feeling “unsure” and “overwhelmed” about her candidacy and asked for 24 hours to think things over, but “never mentioned withdrawing.”

When the news broke, even her own advisors were caught completely by surprise and couldn’t reach her for hours.

Kennedy called Paterson last night at 11 p.m. and apologized for “being missing in action,” the source said. She then said would be issuing a statement saying she was still in the running for Clintons seat.

An hour later, without telling the governor, according to this source, she released the statement saying she was withdrawing her name from consideration, the source said.

“It came as a shock to us,” the source said. “That was the first we learned of her intention to withdraw.”

And scroll down at link above for Bloomberg and Crew’s huffin’ and puffin! They don’t know nuthin about birthing no senators, Scarlet!

19. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Sorry IB

TWO of yours out of Moderation…


20. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

No prob! Figured you might have a nap or a Safeway delivery on your schedule.

In other words, more crucial matters than keeping the latest plot twists straight on NYS’s current “daytime drama.”


21. NYCO - 22 January 2009

Ugh, apparently even Uncle Teddy is PO’d at how it went down…


Of all the many ways in which Caroline Kennedy’s brief and unofficial candidacy for the U.S. Senate was mishandled, one final ungraceful note is striking particularly close to home. Sources close to Senator Edward M. Kennedy tell TIME that his circle — including his immediate family — is furious that his brain cancer is being cited by some in her camp as the reason for her decision to withdraw her name from consideration for the Senate seat being vacated by Hillary Clinton in New York.

“It looks horrible,” says one former aide to Ted Kennedy. “It makes him look like he is at death’s door.” In fact, those close to Kennedy, 76, say that while the Senator is suffering occasional seizures, like the one that sent him to a hospital on Tuesday during the celebratory Capitol lunch for the newly inaugurated President, he is generally doing well.

This whole thing generally smacked of Nouveau Kennedy so I’m not surprised Big Daddy is nonplussed.

22. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Plus he has a WIFE… whoever dribbled out that Caroline was so concerned for him, acted as tho she was needed at some impoverished and isolated bedside.

She really is fabulously clueless.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Conscience Rule also snagged by Obama freeze-all-pending-regs directive?

Diarist sez HHS had not yet issued “guidelines for implementation,” so it falls into the zone of frozen regs. Good news, if true!

24. catnip - 22 January 2009

Typically, Obamalama’s speech at the state dept doesn’t direct Israel to do anything besides opening the border to humanitarian assistance. Instead, it’s all about what Hamas and the Arab states should do.

25. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Thanks for that IB… from what I had read, instituting it 32 days before departure meant that Obster had to seek a longer remedy.. seek congress out, seek out feed back and so on.

Will forward that to moiv…

Very good news.

26. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

From Feminist Majority Foundation:

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel halted the publication of Bush administration regulations Tuesday, including regulations from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that threaten women’s access to contraception and comprehensive health care that were scheduled to go into effect that day. In a memo, Emmanuel said that “no proposed or final regulation should be sent to the Offices of the Federal Register…for publication until it has been reviewed and approved by a department or agency head,” according to The Hill.

27. marisacat - 22 January 2009

I think all of that is very good news.

28. NYCO - 22 January 2009

Wait, it gets “better”

A source close to Kennedy insists she quit because her husband, Edward Schlossberg, decided he didn’t want her to move to Washington.

“He basically said it would destroy the marriage if she moved to D.C.,” said the source, who spoke to Kennedy and Schlossberg Thursday.

In a round of interviews several weeks ago, Kennedy said her family supported her Senate bid and denied her marriage was on the rocks.

The source close to her said, as it appeared Paterson could choose her in the next few days, Scholssberg became increasingly uncomfortable.

“He’s kind of a controlling guy and I think they’ve [been] doing the same thing for many years and he’s comfortable with that,” the source said.

Wow… first it was Teddy’s illness, then it was taxes and nannies, and now it’s her controlling husband.

None dare suggest it was her utter unsuitability for the job? Naw, couldn’t be that.

The Kennedy legacy seems to now consist merely of a shell filled with anonymous hangers-on…

29. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Feminist.org linked to this in The Hill. Ugh I have read it over a couple more times… too mangled a tangle on rules and publishing in the Federal Register. It gave me an immediate headache.


30. marisacat - 22 January 2009

In a round of interviews several weeks ago, Kennedy said her family supported her Senate bid and denied her marriage was on the rocks.

She’s a soap opera. Middle register.

31. marisacat - 22 January 2009

I fully admit it… with the Caroline thing unraveling, I have Hannity on. 🙄

What a hoot… running with the nanny, taxes and husband issues. She is a rich resource.

32. marisacat - 22 January 2009

NY Post… please god save us from the superheroes of the Democratic party. Please.

[G]ossip columns have reported for more than a year that Kennedy’s marriage to Ed Schlossberg is essentially over, and the gossip site Gawker.com has reported rumors that she’s been linked to New York Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger.

Kennedy denied any issue over her marriage in an interview with The Post last month. Aides to Kennedy and a Times spokesperson couldn’t immediately be reached. …whipwhippy…

33. catnip - 22 January 2009

Hey, Markos, Cue the Suicide Watch…


Before the fawning posts start climbing to the top of the Kos diary section by people prostrating themselves before the genius and grace of ATTORNEY KENNEDY who could not, um, you know, possibly have had anything to do with such sordidness because she lives in a world of sunshine, lollypops and rainbows that is known as CAMELOT and is obviously just the victim of unscrupulous VERMIN like Michael Bloomberg and Josh Isay, who you know “handled” Joe Lieberman, which it was not okay to mention because that was GUILT BY ASSOCIATION but that was before and this is now and so now it’s okay because it was an honest MISTAKE and how was she to know what reprobate SCALIWAGS were doing on her behalf because she is not a political HACK she’s a PRINCESS and a constitutional scholar who has written books about the CONSTITUTION, okay they were kid’s books but kiss my ass SHE KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU DO, they might want to read all the way to the end:

” Multiple reports suggested that those around her — and possibly Caroline Kennedy herself — are citing her uncle’s condition as a reason, despite the fact that his illness and prognosis has been known for months. The New York Times, for instance, wrote in its Thursday morning edition: “The person who spoke with Ms. Kennedy said she cited concerns about the health of her uncle, Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who suffers from brain cancer and was hospitalized after a seizure Tuesday, as the reason for her abrupt withdrawal.”

34. marisacat - 22 January 2009

London Review of Books has a round up of commentary on Gaza…

The most pessimistic (so far, I am scanning my way thru) is a R W Johnson, whom I have never heard of, from Cape Town.

Interesting commentary from LRB contributors.

35. marisacat - 22 January 2009

From an Eliot Weinberger

6. Any hope for some sort of peace will not come from the US, even without Bush. It must come from within an Israel where the same petrified leaders are elected time and again, where masses of the rational have emigrated to saner shores and have been replaced by Russians and the American cultists who become settlers. It is hard to believe that this will be anytime soon.

7. It is hard to believe that two states will ever be possible. So why not a new dream of Israel? A single nation, a single citizenry with equal rights, three languages– English as a neutral third– and three religions, separate from the state. Give it a new name– say, Semitia, land of the Semites.

36. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

21, 28, 33, 34 (and counting!) – Pull up the drawbridges! Archers to the turrets! Camelot is under seige!

37. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Camelotta! And maybe, at least now and here, abandoned by Liberal Lion of the Senate. Myabe Obster can offer one of the patented Dem party Man-Hugs.

38. marisacat - 22 January 2009

😮 The Lady Caroline sees the edge of the cliff coming up! She’s there! She looks over! Damn! Those Red Injuns are pushing her over to join the heap of buffalo below! How did they mistake her for a BUFFALO! Royal SPLAT!! And she’s top of the buffalo heap!


39. marisacat - 22 January 2009

And from the latest at Gothamist… LOL, the buffalo are alive, intermarried into the Kennedy Clan — and horrors! are eating her.

[A]nd someone “close to the family” added insult to injury telling the magazine, “Everything that was special about her got stripped away.” …

And if his niece crying wolf on his condition wasn’t bad enough, Ted Kennedy’s wikipedia page was just edited to claim he had died on Tuesday.

40. marisacat - 22 January 2009

First Read (full text)… not sure it matters, “waterboarding” is now like “earmarks”, used to cue the choirs. The administration needs to issue an over riding legal statement on torture, secret prisons, RENDITION and so on, from the OLC or whoever is appropriate. (Of course it would help had this only been a Bushiter problem, they pushed it, domestically legalised it and codified it… )

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro

Though much of the focus is on the news being made at the State Department and the evident foreign policy shift from the previous administration to this one, there was also some news made on Capitol Hill at the hearing for Obama’s pick to head national intelligence, Dennis Blair.

On the issue of torture, Blair would not go as far as Attorney General-designate Eric Holder. The AP reports that he “replied cautiously” when pressed about the issue.

“There will be no waterboarding on my watch,” Blair did say. “There will be no torture on my watch.”

But he refused to go as far as Holder, who at his confirmation hearing last week said flatly, “Waterboarding is torture,” citing that he “did not want to jeopardize agents who thought they had legal approval,” AP notes.

“Michigan Democratic Sen Carl Levin told Blair, ‘If the attorney general designee can answer it, you can too,'” per AP.

“I don’t mean to reopen those cases,” Blair said of the CIA’s admitted waterboarding of at least three detainees. “I’m hesitating to set a standard here.”

Not that Levin cares.

41. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Depending on where the amendments end up… I give them props on this. I did nto think they would do it. Ledbetter:

But despite defeating three of the five Republicans who supported the Ledbetter bill in elections last November, Democratic gains provide enough votes to bring the bill to the floor. Republicans dropped their objections to debating the bill last week in exchange for votes on amendments.

The first of those amendments, offered by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Tex, would have required a discrimination lawsuit be initiated soon after discrimination was discovered. But it was defeated 40-55 today and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act seems headed for passage this week.

“Lilly Ledbetter didn’t just get discriminated against once. she was discriminated against over twenty years. and now over the rest of her life through her pension,” said Sen. Tom Harkin, arguing for passage of the bill on the Senate floor today.

Opponents of the bill said it will do more to help lawyers than women and others who fall victim to pay discrimination. …snip…

42. NYCO - 22 January 2009

The first whiff of decay in her bid came when La Caroline blew into Syracuse for 30 minutes and refused to answer questions, not realizing that the local press would make a stink about that.

By the time she reached Rochester a couple hours later (hey, New York’s a big state to cross dontcha know – you can’t just take a limo, there’s serious driving and/or flying to be done – you can fit a couple of Massachusettses inside), it was all over the Internet, all over the blogs, all over the Times and the Post and the Daily News.

That was the first stage. The second was, uh, um, the Youtube video. The Internet strikes again.

The third was the not-voting thing. That’s when the Dem insiders began to wrinkle their noses. Internet not required for that.

And the final act, last night, where once again she got completely owned by the speed of the Internet.

Do the Kennedys have computers? Just wondering.

43. marisacat - 22 January 2009

ain’t it a hoot! I am thankful for all forms of entertainment… 😆

44. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Supposedly Paterson will now deliver us with a Bouncing Baby Senator at noon tomorrow. Don’t you just love surprises?

Starting to think he definitely won’t pick Cuomo now, just to avoid another Appointment Sideshow (for a replacement AG) while the Scramblelot egg is still fresh on his face. Lotta talk about Gillibrand again, and da Gov is apparently the keynote speaker at some sort of energy and agribiz summit at the FDR Libary on Monday. (Not too keen on that possibility myself. But after the Kennedy meltdown, maybe Patti Smith still has a chance!)

LOL – just heard Tweety exhort a correspondent “tell me what you’ve got” on the CKS fiasco, and then cut her off mid-sentence with “don’t give me any BLOG stuff. . . if that’s all you’ve got, forget it!”

Protecting the franchise at all costs! Not to mention his pals in the Compound!

BTW, in case you missed it – Obster did a press release on Roe v. Wade anniversary. Saw it at DK – doesn’t seem to be up at whitehouse.gov yet.

Also in the news, Condi signed with William Morris, and the company that makes Beanie Babies is rolling out Sweet Sasha and Marvelous Malia dolls, while simultaneously whistling innocently about the names.

45. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

42 – Agree, on all counts. I mean, why not just twirl your hair, to show you don’t care.

Of course, you could still be right about the Ferrari scenario last night, except that the something that just broke actually first came unglued on the day she decided to “run.”

46. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Via The Page, full text… Take That! Buffalos and Injuns!

Statement from Kennedy Spokesman Stefan Friedman

Caroline Kennedy withdrew her name for consideration from the United States Senate for personal reasons. Any statements to the contrary are false. The governor set up a fair and deliberative selection process. This kind of mudslinging demeans that process and all those involved.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Sure and begorrah, Tweety too is fighting hard for the poor colleen!

He just asserted she could still get a high-profile job in the Obster admin – if it’s a nanny problem, look at Geithner! – maybe run the Peace Corps or something, I don’t know!

48. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Toss her somewhere… ti seemed clear from what leaked out that she barely showed up at her office in the Klein We’re Pro Education dept .. or whatever they call it.

49. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

To top it all off, Paterson’s doing a (previously scheduled, questions pre-submitted) conference call with bloggers right now

50. NYCO - 22 January 2009

Re the Inaugural crowd crush and many disappointed special ticket holders…

The photo accompanying this article, I’m afraid, probably is going to be an apt representation of the hopes of some Obama supporters over the next four years (it seems unavoidable)…



I understand the human desire to flock together, but I distrust crowds and crowd control so strongly that I would have a hard time agreeing to go down to DC for something like this (unless it were to just hang out and people-watch and not try to see any events). I had briefly considered, during Deanmania, going to NH, but just a quick initial request for information from the local Dean “organizer” made me immediately drop the notion, because it was clear they just didn’t have anything coherent to say in terms of instructions. So, I can’t truly scoff. This was me, 5 years ago (except, I didn’t go).

I can’t believe there are people blaming this fuckup on Bush. Or, really, blaming it too much on Obama. Sadly I think people think “Ecstatic crowds! Nation’s capital!” and dream of MLK, Woodstock and other sunnier times. Times have changed. Nobody in the U.S. is prepared for crowds – or rather, they ARE prepared; very prepared; those folks were herded into those tunnels quite efficiently, and they went very trustingly.

51. marisacat - 22 January 2009


oh even if a candidate I loved and supported and KNEW PERSONALLY had won, I would never go to DC on Inauguration day.

The story I read last night of being trapped … in the tunnel for hours… was mind boggling. It seemed two color groups got hit. Surprisingly DiFi’s statement about it seemed rather open.

A mess.

52. NYCO - 22 January 2009

51. Forgot to add this link… which is just sad. (like, I feel sorry for them, sad)


and yet, it’s so telling…

53. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Comments to the FP thread on the Purple Tunnel of Doom are interesting.. and I see that Paper Tigress/Nur-al-Cublicle has surfaced… first comment. She has been MIA at her sites for months.

54. marisacat - 22 January 2009

LOL FP headliner at NYP


is “Never Had A Chance” and quoting Paterson.

What a scream!

55. Intermittent Bystander - 22 January 2009

Somehow doubt she’ll be tempted by actual public service much for a while. Probably better write another book before she tries again!

56. catnip - 22 January 2009

55. Probably better write another book before she tries again!

‘The Little Kennedy Who Couldn’t’

57. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Battle of the rosaries! And St. Patrick’s team goes down!

good distillation…

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Killing ‘nonwhite people’ was motive in Brockton shooting spree, police say

BROCKTON — A man accused of a horrific rape and killing spree told investigators that he was “fighting extinction” of the white race and had stockpiled 200 rounds of ammunition to “kill ‘nonwhite people’ such as African Americans, Hispanics and Jewish people,” according to a police report filed today in court.

After forcing his way into a home and raping a 22-year-old woman, the alleged assailant, Keith Luke, shot and killed the woman’s younger sister, who tried to help her. Luke, 22, then allegedly turned his fury back on the rape victim, firing his gun through a white teddy bear that she clutched in terror, police said.

Down the street, Luke allegedly opened fire and killed a homeless man who happened by pushing a shopping cart. He told police after his arrest that he had planned to go to a synagogue near his home and, “kill as many Jews as possible during bingo night,” according to the report. “Luke told us that he intended to shoot himself in the head when he was through.”

Rabbi Joshua Cohen of Temple Beth Emunah, a Conservative synagogue in the neighborhood where Luke lives, said a Massachusetts state trooper and Brockton police officer told him this morning that Luke evidently had planned to continue his rampage at the temple. The synagogue has a bingo night Wednesday starting at 6:30 p.m.

Cohen said he has never heard of Luke and believes the man had randomly decided to target the synagogue. Investigators told Cohen that Luke was acting alone.

“Through hard work and a lot of luck, the police were able to apprehend him before he was able to inflict more damage and more death and destruction,” Cohen said. “As much as we like to think we’ve moved forward in our society and culture, hate and racism still exist, and it’s really unfortunate.”

On Wednesday, Luke allegedly fired at police as he was pursued in his van across Brockton, a chase that ended in a crash at East Ashland and North Quincy streets. Sitting in the back of the squad car, he muttered unintelligibly, according to the report, about “the Zionist occupation” and about how, “I was supposed to be executed today.”

59. marisacat - 22 January 2009

OK… I thought i heard, on a quick top pf the hour news update on local KGO, that obster overturned the Global Gag Rule… but was half listening. Looking to NYT Politics page I see this

There was also speculation about whether President Obama would use today’s anniversary of the 1973 Supreme Court decision to reverse the so-called “Mexico City policy,” which forbids the flow of federal money to international family planning organizations that provide abortions or related services and counseling.

The policy, which President Ronald Reagan put in place in 1984, was repealed by President Clinton early in his term. President Bush’s reinstated the ban in his first executive order on Jan. 22, 2001….snip…

60. marisacat - 22 January 2009


goodness… I never even heard about it………………..

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Ugh, apparently even Uncle Teddy is PO’d at how it went down…

Did he throw his drool cup?

62. marisacat - 22 January 2009

No idea what it means, but Turki al-Faisal takes to the pages of the FT

[A]merica is not innocent in this calamity. Not only has the Bush administration left a sickening legacy in the region – from the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to the humiliation and torture at Abu Ghraib – but it has also, through an arrogant attitude about the butchery in Gaza, contributed to the slaughter of innocents. If the US wants to continue playing a leadership role in the Middle East and keep its strategic alliances intact – especially its “special relationship” with Saudi Arabia – it will have to drastically revise its policies vis a vis Israel and Palestine.

The incoming US administration will be inheriting a “basket full of snakes” in the region, but there are things that can be done to help calm them down. First, President Barack Obama must address the disaster in Gaza and its causes. Inevitably, he will condemn Hamas’s firing of rockets at Israel.

When he does that, he should also condemn Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians and support a UN resolution to that effect; forcefully condemn the Israeli actions that led to this conflict, from settlement building in the West Bank to the blockade of Gaza and the targeted killings and arbitrary arrests of Palestinians; declare America’s intention to work for a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction, with a security umbrella for countries that sign up and sanctions for those that do not; call for an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Shab’ah Farms in Lebanon; encourage Israeli-Syrian negotiations for peace; and support a UN resolution guaranteeing Iraq’s territorial integrity.

Let us all pray that Mr Obama possesses the foresight, fairness, and resolve to rein in the murderous Israeli regime and open a new chapter in this most intractable of conflicts.

Off to see what Angry Arab says…

63. catnip - 22 January 2009

Confused so-called “progressives”.

This should be a fun 4 years.

64. catnip - 22 January 2009


Inevitably, he will condemn Hamas’s firing of rockets at Israel.

When he does that, he should also condemn Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians and support a UN resolution to that effect;

He did condemn Hamas’ rockets today at the state dept but, like I said, he was completely silent about Israel’s part in the war.

Pray all you want. The writing’s on the wall.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Good news on Ledbetter.

66. catnip - 22 January 2009

Sources: Kirsten Gillibrand Chosen to Fill Clinton’s Senate Seat

PIX NEWS is being told that Congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand is the reported choice of Governor David Paterson to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by Hillary Clinton. Two Congressional sources say members of the New York delegation have been invited to join Governor Paterson for the announcement in Albany at noon tomorrow.

Two members of that delegation, agreeing to speak without attribution, told me that the Governor has telephoned New York’s Democratic members of Congress for their views after Caroline Kennedy withdrew herself from consideration. One of the contenders, longterm Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney canceled a scheduled appearance on “PIX News Closeup” tomorrow because of a “conflict,” which she did not disclose. She too will be in Albany. According to the sources, Gillibrand, now in her second congressional term, was favored by Secretary of State Clinton herself. Paterson has been under pressure to select a woman.

While some insist Gillibrand is the Governor’s choice, another New York Congressman cautioned tonight that “It’s not a done deal.” He claims there is some political in-fighting and ongoing conversations with the Governor. There appears to be some challenge to Gillibrand’s voting record. She’s now serving her second term. Reached for comment, the Dean of New York’s Congressional delegation, Charlie Rangel, would say nothing more than that he’s been invited to join the governor for an announcement tomorrow morning.

67. marisacat - 22 January 2009

I read that McCarthy from LI, the one that ran after the LIRR killer… said she will challenge Gillibrand if she is selected. Gillibrand is upstate/pro gun.

Carry on congresspeeples.

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

60 – killing sprees only get national coverage if it’s white people at work, or a school.

69. marisacat - 22 January 2009


The only thing of interest is what pressure may be be exerted on Obama/America.

70. marisacat - 22 January 2009


Caroline Kennedy’s withdrawal from New York’s Senate scrum has devolved into a nasty he-said, she-said, with people close to Gov. David Paterson blasting the 51-year-old political novice as unpolished and “not ready for prime time,” and Kennedy loyalists slamming her detractors for “mudslinging.”

While the two sides traded barbs, one of the state’smost conservative Democrats, upstate Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand emerged as the clear frontrunner, according to New York Democrats. Two local news stations, WPIX and WNBC, are now reporting that they’ve confirmed Gillibrand is the governor’s pick.

71. catnip - 22 January 2009

I saw the author of this book interviewed today. Looks interesting: Food Matters: A Guide to Conscious Eating with More Than 75 Recipes

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Bittman is great. His is one of the foodie blogs I link to sometimes. He was interviewed on Morning Edition today.

He also was part of a very cool food/travelogue show on PBS a month or two ago: Spain: On the Road Again.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

His NY Times blog: Bitten

74. marisacat - 22 January 2009

I loved the Spain food show with Bitten but it sorta disappeared out there.. unfinished. I think htey had a mandatory 10 x a year fundraising 6 weeks cessation of most programing (right, it never ends and doubles back on it self) and it blew the show out of the line up.

Our local PBS is soooo bad that way.

75. catnip - 22 January 2009

72. Bittman is great

Good to know! Thanks.

76. marisacat - 22 January 2009

IOZ deconstruction… 😈 It’s entitled, Those Rich Fucks, This Whole Fucking Thing.

[I] personally can’t wait for the deracinated post-cultural Positivity-Singularity, but really. As ultimately cynical as they are, our ruling class truly does share a belief in this central article of faith, that at some point the whole world will be just like America, and all cultural identity will be ethnic food festivals and dance troupes in gaudy native dress.

Or, to put it rather more precisely, the whole world that matters will be as such, the Africans will calm the fuck down and stop with the AIDS and civil wars, and the Muslims will sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up and do as they’re fucking told.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Obama’s Economic Plan Is Not Going to Save Us
By William Greider

While Washington debates the terms of Obama’s stimulus package, others see disappointment ahead. The Levy Economics Institute of Bard College, an outpost of Keynesian thinking, expresses its doubts in emotional language that professional economists seldom use. “The prospects for the US economy have become uniquely dreadful, if not frightening,” Levy analysts reported. The institute’s updated strategic analysis warns that the magnitude of negative forces–the virtual collapse of bank lending, private spending, consumer incomes and demand–“will make it impossible for US authorities to apply a fiscal and monetary stimulus large enough to return output and unemployment to tolerable levels within the next two years.” Instead, the unemployment rate is likely to rise to 10 percent by 2010. Obama’s package amounts only to around 3 percent, annually, of GDP in a $13 trillion economy. Levy’s analysis calculates that it would require federal deficits of 8 to 10 percent of GDP–$2 trillion or more–to reverse the economic contraction. And yet, the institute observed, it is inconceivable that this level “could be tolerated for purely political reasons” or that the United States could sustain the rising indebtedness without terrifying our leading creditors, like China.

Stimulus alone by a single nation will not work, in other words, given the distorted economic system that Obama has inherited. The stern warning from the Levy analysts and other skeptical experts is that the United States has no choice but to undertake deeper systemic reforms right now, rather than wait for recovery. Will Obama have the nerve to tackle these fundamentals? To do so he would have to abandon some orthodox assumptions about free trade and private finance that he shares with his economic advisers.

78. marisacat - 22 January 2009

hmmm from the Greider:

To put it crudely, Obama’s stimulus program might restart factories in China while leaving US unemployment painfully high. In fact, some leakage may occur via the very banks or industrial corporations that taxpayers have generously assisted. What prevents Citigroup and General Motors from using their fresh capital to enhance overseas operations rather than investing at home? The new administration will therefore have to rethink the terms of globalization before its domestic initiatives can succeed. …

Plus, while not knowing much, I kind of assume there is some replay of fast drops on the Stock Exchanges again. I heard today that Green tech stocks, admittedly start-ups, lost about 2/3 of value in big loss weeks…. Somebody does not believe in the coming Green investment out of DC

79. marisacat - 22 January 2009


President Obama made a surprise visit to the White House press corps Thursday night, but got agitated when he was faced with a substantive question.

Asked how he could reconcile a strict ban on lobbyists in his administration with a Deputy Defense Secretary nominee who lobbied for Raytheon, Obama interrupted with a knowing smile on his face.

“Ahh, see,” he said, “I came down here to visit. See this is what happens. I can’t end up visiting with you guys and shaking hands if I’m going to get grilled every time I come down here.”

Pressed further by the Politico reporter about his Pentagon nominee, William J. Lynn III, Obama turned more serious, putting his hand on the reporter’s shoulder and staring him in the eye.

“Alright, come on” he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. “We will be having a press conference at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys – that’s all I was trying to do.”

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

heard today that Green tech stocks, admittedly start-ups, lost about 2/3 of value in big loss weeks

None of them are well-capitalized well enough to ride out the lack of credit, and the money from the gov’t for their projects is unlikely to show up for months.

I bet you’ll see a lot of that intellectual property snatched up by bigger/older companies so that they can take advantage of the gov’t money once it does start flowing.

81. catnip - 22 January 2009


What prevents Citigroup and General Motors from using their fresh capital to enhance overseas operations rather than investing at home?

That was mentioned during the auto industry CEOs’ hearing and I recall someone saying they’d make sure the money was only to be spent in the US. Don’t know if that actually happened though.

82. catnip - 22 January 2009

79. Pressed further by the Politico reporter about his Pentagon nominee, William J. Lynn III,

When Gibbs was asked about that during the first presser today, he said there would be “waivers” to the new lobby reform rules. Always waivers to so-called progress. Always.

83. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Also at Politico filed a few hours after the 79 link

A growing media frustration with Barack Obama’s team spilled into the open at Thursday’s briefing, with reporters accusing the White House of stifling access to his oath re-do and giving Obama’s first interview as president to a multi-million dollar inauguration sponsor.

Veteran CBS newsman Bill Plante was one of the most vocal critics, questioning the White House’s handling of Wednesday night’s second swearing in – which was covered by just a four-reporter print pool that didn’t include a news photographer or TV correspondent.

He also asked new press secretary Robert Gibbs why ABC, which paid millions to host the DC Neighborhood Ball, was granted the only inauguration day interview with President Obama – a move he equated to “pay to play.”

“We have a tradition here of covering the president,” said Plante, who is covering his fourth administration.

Gibbs defended the White House’s moves, insisting aides acted in a “way that was upfront and transparent” in allowing the standard pool into the swearing-in. And Obama himself seemed mindful of making a good impression, paying a surprise visit to the White House pressroom a few hours after the briefing.

It’s been a bumpy 24 hours for Gibbs and company, as members of the White House press corps have publicly expressed frustration with an administration promising openness and transparency. …snip…

Maybe Obster and co did not hear themselves making all those promises.

84. catnip - 22 January 2009

Gibbs is definitely the next spokespuppet. Avoid avoid avoid.

85. marisacat - 22 January 2009

ugh never could stand Gibbs… he was the Dem party name front man for the 528 that ran the fake group that put out the ”osama ad” against Dean in 2003

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 January 2009

Barack and Michelle Obama do WHAT together?

I wonder what his safe word is.

87. diane - 22 January 2009

Marisa (2)

…(I would bet it is an old plan, resuscitated) to shift prisoners from Guantanamo to some of the larger bases…

Yeah first thing that came to my mind were the previous plans to send some to Afghanistan……

Report: US Planning Gitmo-Style Prison in Afghanistan
The Financial Times is reporting the US government is planning the construction of a high-security prison in Afghanistan to hold detainees. The planned site for the jail is Pol-e-Charki, a rundown prison near Kabul that dates back to the Soviet era. The jail would be phased in as an alternative to the US military prison at Guatanamo Bay, Cuba, where the US is currently holding more than 500 people. Another 500 prisoners are under US detention at military facilities and secret locations across Afghanistan.
oh…and speaking of Afghanistan…..

Guantanamo Bay may get all the press, but Bagram, the US detention center in Afghanistan, holds over twice as many prisoners, and it’s proving just as difficult to close. Plans to transfer its roughly 630 inmates to a US-funded Afghan prison outside Kabul have failed, the New York Times reports; the new building isn’t big enough to hold them all……

(another possibility….Tea and Sympathy a shot of Grand Marnier in hot tea…no sugar needed)

88. catnip - 22 January 2009

Hmmm…I can’t find the transcript of the press briefing on the new WH site. FAIL.

89. marisacat - 22 January 2009

The planned site for the jail is Pol-e-Charki, a rundown prison near Kabul that dates back to the Soviet era.

World Forum, a news program on KQED/PBS here, did a longish segment today on that prison… they picked up an Al-Jezeera segment. Took a camera thru parts of it.. the vid is likely at al Jazeera. Or worldforum.org

My guess from listening thru the lines… much talk bout how “part” of the prison was “better” (seg with former prisoner) and that is under American control (what,? we are angels?) but that most of the prison is under local Afghan control. And not monitored. People lanquish for up to 18-24 months with out charges or trials.

My guess, it will always be someone else doing the dirty work.

One report today (forget where I read it) ran over all the rumors and unofficial confirmations across the years of the many many secret black sites… think it was in the Guardian. The report said, make it alal public… as part of prosecuting the wrong doers.

LOL Everybody breathe. 😮 There may be some limited disclosure, but nothng that would lead to prosecutions.

Obsters are good at dangling live rabbits in front of the racing greyhnouds… is how i see it.

90. catnip - 22 January 2009

86. Barack and Michelle Obama do WHAT together?

TMI!! lol

91. marisacat - 22 January 2009


even crazy sick bushiters got the transcripts up. Thanks for mentioning, I had totally forgotten about leafing thru those at WH.gov….

92. catnip - 22 January 2009

85. he was the Dem party name front man for the 528 that ran the fake group that put out the ”osama ad” against Dean in 2003

Right. I remember you mentioning that before. Ironic, because I was looking for the transcript to post what he said when asked if the Army Field Manual (aka “no torture” now) would apply to OBL. He said he’d have to check with the NSC. So I guess that means there’s a “waiver” when it comes to torturing OBL then? That’s how it sounded.

As for this supposed torture ban, Obamalama repeatedly said “the US does not torture” when he was campaigning, so what exactly is he banning then? (Busted.) And since when does the CIA follow the Army Manual? Do they get a “waiver” then too because they’re covered by law (the MCA) for the torture they do i.e. they can’t be prosecuted for it. I remember that well because I was outraged that McCain supported that piece of garbage when he claimed to be the anti-torture crusader. Hypocrites The lot of them.

93. diane - 22 January 2009

…the fine art of disclosing some previously well locked and hideous secret with the effect of seeming to imply something will actually be done about it, has just about reached gagging level….That ended up being my impression of Gellman’s Cheney book, Angler. Interesting that the book was written as if Cheney had already been out of office when it was written.

94. ms_xeno - 22 January 2009

Belated thanks to IB for the presents she left me in the last thread.

Just got back from a two-day stint stuffing brochures for some enviro-org downtown. This should infuriate Unemployment tomorrow because they’ll want to know why I didn’t report it three days ago when I was plugging all the info into their telephone “service”– Info which they may or may not have received;No way to tell since I waited an hour for a human to answer the fucking phone, to no avail.

I’ll be down there tomorrow when they open. Remember, Kids and Kits. If I don’t return alive by sundown Friday, it’s only because I died of ecstasy over The Bold New Chapter In American Life [tm]. I mean, Golden Man gets sworn in and –boom !– I get almost $120 post-tax for two days work ! Of COURSE it’s interconnected !! It’s all interconnected !

Can I get an “Amen,” please ?

The best part of OR’s Unemployment phone “service” is the pious lecture you have to listen to at the beginning, before the music. Some patronizing fuck explaining that it’s not an entitlement because it comes from your EMPLOYER, not from you, smelly peasant.

Oh, fuck you, State of OR. You know what ? It’s my goddamn money, earned in over two decades of suffering through shit job after shit job putting up with shit people and tasks repetitive enough to make a brain-damaged chimp cry. You can throw up as many obstacles as you want, but there’s no place you can hide it where I won’t come after it.

Eat me.

On a totally unrelated note, I saw some headline today about how “new glamour” is descending on DC thanks to Mrs. Obama. Frankly every outfit I’ve seen her in so far looks like crap. I might add that you’d think this sort of thing would stick in people’s craws, rather than being cause for celebration. We’re in a fucking depression, Assholes. Maybe Michelle should go buy a 9 buck pair of jeans at Goodwill and then pass out bags of lentils in front of the White House gates. Seems to me that might be a tad more, uh, “in fashion.”

Also some jackass on LJ is burbling and twittering because Obama has publicly asked “what shareware is. Oh, wow. Our President is ‘curious about things.’ Isn’t it wonderful ?”

I know what shareware is, you babbling stupid asshole. I think it’s kind of sad that Obama doesn’t know. Why would I rejoice that his party wants to help auction off the internet to the highest bidder before they have a fucking clue about how most of it works.


95. catnip - 22 January 2009

As far as US prisons in Afghanistan go, the Canadian military stopped handing over prisoners to your guys there years ago to assure they wouldn’t be tortured. And when we had our torture scandal up here, our gov’t assured us that the Red Cross had been monitoring prisoner treatment there but the Red Cross (breaking with its protocol to remain silent about such things) said publicly it hadn’t checked on their welfare (not their fault though). So much for checks and balances.

96. marisacat - 22 January 2009

I am totally embarrassed to say I know what shareware is. Too…

I am a little surprised El Heife Techie.

97. diane - 22 January 2009

Some patronizing fuck explaining that it’s not an entitlement because it comes from your EMPLOYER

right….and then factored out of the meager wage…..further, I don’t know if all states have the policy, but an employer who pays higher than most others in a given area is doing that because they’ve turned over too many employees and are then penalized by a higher unemployment rate, which is usually a peanuts rate anyway.

98. catnip - 22 January 2009

94. Maybe Michelle should go buy a 9 buck pair of jeans at Goodwill and then pass out bags of lentils in front of the White House gates. Seems to me that might be a tad more, uh, “in fashion.”

Amen to that. The spin I’ve heard is that she’s helping these new or little known designers by wearing their stuff. Well rah rah for them and the rich people with the tax cuts who can afford to buy that crap.

99. ms_xeno - 22 January 2009

In other awesome local news, the Mayor-elect is in trouble because he had non-Biblical relations with a male aide at some point where said aide may or may not have been at the age of consent– which I believe is eighteen hereabouts. Oh, and he hired a local reporter for some staff job she wasn’t qualified for;Now the ex-reporter is earnestly explaining that it never occurred to her that this might look… y’know, awkward. Given that said reporter had been investigating the then-candidate’s relationship with the aide.

There’s going to be some rally in support of the Mayor-Elect featuring Dan Savage or some shit like that in a couple of days. I don’t think I’m going. Never liked the man. Even without the messing around with some guy less than half his age, he’s bought and paid for by developers and other folks hell-bent on completing our city’s transformation to some cross between Disneyland and the part of S.F. where Pelosi whines because she couldn’t get protesters tear-gassed off her street.


100. ms_xeno - 22 January 2009

[puts out hot cocoa for Mcat, diane, and catnip.]

Mcat, I’m giving up drinking, too. It just seems so besides the point nowadays. I’m going on the wagon as soon as I polish off the last of IB’s complimentary schnapps. 😉

101. catnip - 22 January 2009

Thanks for the cocoa. It’s Winter From Hell – The Sequel here.

102. diane - 22 January 2009

thanks for the cocoa….yum ;0)…..well have to admit…if I had some Baily’s I’d put a sloosh in there …..(though I never buy “sweet” alchohol..I now want some Ouzo and Tuaca because as I recall they were very tasty, and I’m blaming it on that Bohemian, Intermittant Bystander for bringing up Liquers (that seems spelled wrong but not looking it up)…gnight all!

103. marisacat - 22 January 2009

Just a thread…


……………. 😯 ………………

104. lucid - 22 January 2009

Ms_X the state certainly has no right to give you a lecture about feeling grateful to your fucking employer… but they are right in that regard. The state and federal unemployment system is paid for by a tax on employers of at least the first $7,000 annual payroll for employee. The Federal rate generally remains constant, but the state rate is determined by a calculation of unemployment money paid out versus unemployment paid in and the general rate of turnover for the business [‘experience rating’]. Stable businesses that don’t lay off to many people typically have unemployment rates of 1.25% of the first $8000 of so of payroll. Businesses with greater turnover see much higher rates. the entire system is funded by employers. Is that right? Well that’s another issue entirely…

But the system is primarily funded by a tax on employers that is adjusted annually based on the account they’ve built up with the state and the rating of their average turnover.

So the facts of the lecture aren’t incorrect. I actually think it is one of the few things we’ve gotten right to a certain extent – a system of forcing employers with a greater turnover to pay more in unemployment taxes – and keeping close account of the record, which state departments do.

On the other hand, anyone making you feel guilty for, or obstructing your taking unemployment should be made to lie on a feather bed, confess the atrocities they’ve committed, and be given a choice of featherbedding Antarctica or watching turtles mate in the Galapagos.

105. bayprairie - 23 January 2009

Can I get an “Amen,” please ?


Mcat, I’m giving up drinking, too

not me.

the cheese stands alone.

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