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oh what did papa do now! 25 January 2009

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements, Israel/AIPAC, Italy, Viva La Revolucion!, WAR!.


I actually found that photo at a Catholic Youth site… LOL.. AND! stranger than fiction, when I went hunting for a photo of il papa, using “Benedict 16”, it was first up!

What a hoot!  The former Hitler youth has people all riled up.  No!  Say it is not so!  Everybody’s mad!

The Pope has lifted the excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church of four bishops appointed by a breakaway archbishop more than 20 years ago.

One of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s appointees, Briton Richard Williamson, outraged Jews by saying the Nazi gas chambers did not exist.

Two of the other three appointees are French while the fourth is Argentinean.

Israel’s envoy to the Vatican said the papal decision would “cast a shadow on relations with Jews”.

“We have no intention of interfering in the internal workings of the Catholic Church, however, the eagerness to bring a Holocaust denier back into the Church will cast a shadow on relations between Jews and the Catholic Church,” Mordechai Lewy told Reuters news agency. …snip…

The special relationship between the Church and the Jews has room for more shadows?  What a euphemism!

Somehow the BBC story manages to leave out that the bishops were in a far right wing faction of the church… quite aside from being classic schismatics.. denying or dissenting from the so called modernisation of the Church under John XXII, and the suppression of the Latin Mass.

LOL Once you are into denial, you can deny all sorts of things! Rooting around online, Bishop Williamson also denies the official story of 9/11, believing (among many beliefs I would imagine) that the WTC buildings were wired and blown up.  How anyone is comfortable with that day, how it rolled out, is a mystery to me, but the theory of the wiring and internal blast bombing of the buildings has always seemed a bit extra murky…

Decades ago, being a fallen away Catholic, I had no idea that embrace of the banned Mass was code for being all sorts of looney… and happened to mention once at a luncheon that I missed the Latin Mass.  About 20 people proceeded to jump far away from me.  I had no idea that factions of the Church were bunkered over the whole thing, with near Neanderthals holding secret celebrations of the Latin Mass in garages on Long Island.

Who knew? Then again I never understood, and still do not, why it was so important to ban the Latin Mass.

But it is loaded with delicious wrinkles

At first sight the appearance of Richard Williamson, the drawling English leader of a Catholic splinter group, on Swedish television, to deny that Hitler killed anything like 6 million Jews, looks like pure comedy gold – the Producers come to life. The documentary in which Williamson appeared, “the Swedish Crusade” was an attempt to make sinister the activities of a sect which has, in Sweden, 30 members but which proclaims its ambition to reconvert the whole country to Catholicism.

But the Lefevrist splinter group of which he is one of the four bishops does actually matter to the Vatican, because it represents an institutional challenge to the legitimacy of the Second Vatican Council, which turned the church inside out in the 1960s, introducing masses in the vernacular, and opening up to other Christians groups and even to Jews in a quite unprecedented way.

And this little tidbit…

Update: the plot curdles I have now spoken to the Catholic Church’s press officer in Stockholm who has of course seen the film land adds two fascinating twists. The first is that the interview was recorded on November 1 last year, so it wasn’t timed to this week’s rumours.

The second, which makes it even more embarrassing, is that it was recorded at the Lefevrist seminary in Bavaria, where holocaust denial is a criminal offence.

Some of the other Lefevrist bishops are said to be keen on reconciliation with the Holy See. Although the Latin mass was not the only grounds for the schism, the Vatican has been putting out the story recently that Archbishop Lefebvre, who led it, signed all the decrees of the Second Vatican Council to which he later objected, and they have his signature in the archives to prove it. Under the circumstances, a graceful negotiated surrender might well have been possible – but Richard Williamson at least would rather die in his bunker.

Maybe they can all cuddle in bed together.


And I found that photo at a youth site as well…

The World Youth Day 2008 theme, received from The Holy Father is:

‘You will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses.’ Acts 1:8

This passage occurs after the death and resurrection of Jesus, just before his ascension to the Father.

It represents the birth of the Church. The disciples had questioned Jesus about the time of the restoration of Israel. His words ‘You will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you’ were somewhat surprising – they referred to a new meaning of the word “power”. Jesus promises a different kind of “power” to help the Jews from under the yoke of Roman occupation. The power He promises to give is the very Spirit of God, the dynamic potential for transformation, the very condition of living according to the manner of Jesus’ life.

This Spirit is not a vague ambiguous force, rather it is a Divine Person, the true Self Gift of the Father to the Son, and the Son to the Father, and hence the gift of the Father to us in the Son – with Him we say “Our Father”. Only with the reception of the Spirit of Jesus can we exercise the authentic passion of the Heart of Christ, and hence by being set on fire with it do we as persons become witnesses to Him and everything for which He stands.

The ultimate witness we can make is to follow in the pattern of His life through the total self gift of our lives, lived authentically in truth and love for Him and at the service of others.

What a tangle it all is…  Apparently, zooming around the netteries, people are just in a tizzy over this… especially that the lifting of the excommunication includes that the 4 (in particular, Williamson) are bishops again.  Not merely restored to priests under the Vatican, but princes of the Church.

Ratzy must laugh a lot…


UPDATE, 4:51 am Pacific Time

Cooler than cool…way way way cool.

January 23, 2009, 4:52 pm <!– — Updated: 1:32 am –>

Obama May Carry Top-Secret P.D.A.

Nobody’s saying anything official or on the record about this, but reports popping up all across the Web indicate that while President Obama may be able to keep a mobile phone/e-mail device while in office, that device may be something more exotic than a BlackBerry from Research in Motion.

(Cue James Bond theme.)

The nation’s e-mailer in chief may be carrying something called a Sectéra Edge, which is made by the military contractor General Dynamics (you know, the submarine people).  …snip…

hmm not to push it too much, but General Dynamics would be the DEFENSE people.  Or OFFENSE, to be more precise.

But, carry on.  Bombs away!  Cool guy!



1. marisacat - 25 January 2009

NYT weighs in… fwiw

[T]he decision provided fresh fuel for critics who charge that Benedict’s four-year-old papacy has increasingly moved in line with traditionalists who are hostile to the sweeping reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s that sought to create a more modern and open church….

Personally, that is what I thought he was hired for… not like his views were unknown.

The four reinstated men are members of the Society of St. Pius X, which was founded by a French archbishop, Marcel Lefebvre, in 1970 as a protest against the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, also called Vatican II. Archbishop Lefebvre made the men bishops in unsanctioned consecrations in Switzerland in 1988, prompting the immediate excommunication of all five by Pope John Paul II.

Later that year, Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, sought to regularize the church’s relationship with the society. And as pope, he has made reinstating the Lefebvrists an important personal cause. …snip…

Yeah not exactly shocking news, what he has done.

2. marisacat - 25 January 2009

We’ll stop them on the high seas! What a scam to scour the seas and the ports for “contraband”… arms to the WRONG people.

AN American naval taskforce in the Gulf of Aden has been ordered to hunt for suspicious Iranian arms ships heading for the Red Sea as Tehran seeks to re-equip Hamas, its Islamist ally in Gaza.

According to US diplomatic sources, Combined Task Force 151, which is countering pirates in the Gulf of Aden, has been instructed to track Iranian arms shipments.

Last week the USS San Antonio, an amphibious transport dockship that serves as the command and control centre for the taskforce, boarded the former Russian cargo vessel Monchegorsk, which is registered in Limassol and flying a Cypriot flag.

The ship docked at an Egyptian Red Sea port for a detailed search during which, according to unconfirmed reports, weapons were found. …

In recent weeks at least two Iranian destroyers have been sent to the Gulf of Aden on the pretext of fighting piracy. The Israelis suspect that the destroyers, which are currently in port in Aseb in Eritrea, may have had some role in the shipments. …snipo…

LOL As we all fight piracy! I read a few weeks ago that there are less actual incidents of piracy in ’08 thn in ’07… but it makes good cover. For everybody.

3. marisacat - 25 January 2009

hmm i am probably the last to know, just catching a local news report on background on AF 1.. I never knew there are two, a fully matching back up second edition of AF1. And when the pretzel, whoever he is, goes overseas, AF1 second edition goes along.

whew. We are just a load to contend with, in every way.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

NOW if he’d like to talk to me about low wage dead end service INDUSTRY jobs being mandated to provide sick days, mandated annual earned vacation and so on, I might listen.

A local activist group here called Wisconsin 9 to 5 pushed through a referendum here in Milwaukee which passed with 68% voting for it. The local business community/lobbies are in an uproar, as are their pet politicians. Surrounding Republicans suburbs are actually passing ordinances that make adopting similar requirements in their shitty little vales illegal. Our Clinton clone gov says he’s “staying out of it”, as there are no kickbacks that he could suck up from either side.

A battle in the courts is promised. The requirement goes into effect in February.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

I found this graphic helpful to understand the ridiculous entourage the President travels with.

6. marisacat - 25 January 2009

San Francisco has made those votes as well.. there are fair pay requirements… and as of about a year ago, mandates for the lower wage service industry jobs.. but I have not paid attention to see how it is actually working out. The big problem here is the Golden Gate Restaurant Assoc… they go to court over everything to do with personnel issues…

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

Australian family caged, detained, starved and deported by US customs

An Australian family who traveled to the US to visit a dying relative were accused of attempting to illegally immigrate by US Customs and Border Patrol officials, who caged them, detained them, starved them overnight, and then sent them back on the next flight to Australia. The US consulate’s only comment? “We reserve the right to refuse entry to visitors to the United States.”

A reminder to the US CBP: what you do to foreigners, their governments are apt to do to Americans. When you treat foreigners this way, you put Americans who go abroad in harm’s way.

Of course, part of the point of all of this authoritarianism isn’t just to keep people out, but to keep the few Americans who travel IN. They’ve made it much harder and expensive to get a passport over the last few years. It’s easier to demonize those outside if you keep them mysterious.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

6 – per this piece from the Chicago Trib:

Only two other U.S. cities have similar measures. San Francisco voters passed their bill in 2006 by a 61-39 margin, and Washington, D.C., is still working to implement a law its City Council approved in February.

There haven’t been any academic studies to investigate the San Francisco law’s effect, but Asay said baseline economic indicators have held steady, including unemployment levels.

Jim Lazarus, the senior vice president of public policy for the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce, said more than 90 percent of member businesses already offered sick-leave policies so the new law didn’t change much.

He agreed with Barrett that such measures should be implemented at the state or federal level, although “I can’t imagine this burden would be at such a level that a business would relocate based on that.”

According to the Milwaukee law, employees will accrue one hour of paid sick leave for every 30 hours worked. They can take a maximum of nine days of sick leave each calendar year.

Companies with nine or fewer employees can cap the maximum paid sick leave at five days per year.

Employees have to be with the company for at least three months before they can use paid sick time, and they’re not obligated to find a replacement worker to cover that time.

The Milwaukee referendum was spearheaded by a nonprofit group called 9to5, National Association of Working Women.

Group organizer JoCasta Zamarripa said she understood business owners were worried about additional expense, but said companies would save in the long run with increased productivity and lower turnover.

I always love the howling of business owners, as though all of the other opportunities and considerations for them exploiting a business opportunity are wiped out by this one small requirement, or ANY requirement that requires them to treat workers better.

My favorite argument is the whole “I work hard to build my business … hard work will get you the rewards you deserve.” You work hard, sure, but the business owner has a whole raft of legal protections that lessen his/her risk in return for them contributing to the local economy. They are building equity through their hard work/ownership. Think they’re gonna share any equity with an employee who puts in extra time for no extra pay, who never calls in sick, who never takes vacation?

I don’t either.

9. NYCO - 25 January 2009

5. Madman, I noticed in the helpful graphic that they misspelled “political aides” as “political aids.” Wondering if that is something like “marital aids”?

10. ms_xeno - 25 January 2009


“Hard work will get you the rewards you deserve.”

Hard work from a server battling bronchitis is likely to get your customer base all kinds of fun “side dishes” they didn’t agree to purchase. Mmmm…. cheeseburger with a delicious coating of a near-strangers’ diseased spit/snot ? Sounds yummy. God bless America.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

9 – they’re certainly helping to screw somebody.

10 – it’s been a repeating mantra here in this fight. Interviews w/ business owners, letters to the editor, comments on local blogs. It’s amazing how many people believe that.

12. marisacat - 25 January 2009

From The Page…

Sen. Feingold to Introduce Constitutional Amendment on Senate Vacancies

The Wisconsin Democrat wants special elections, rather than governors’ appointments, to fill empty Senate seats.

“The controversies surrounding some of the recent gubernatorial appointments to vacant Senate seats make it painfully clear that such appointments are an anachronism that must end.”

Says he will introduce the amendment this week.

13. ms_xeno - 25 January 2009

Hey, Madman. Tell ’em that for a fifty cents a sneeze, I’d be happy to come over and snot all over whatever they’re having for lunch. Oh, and I think my shingles might be coming back, too, so an extra quarter will buy them a free rub from one of my open sores, too.


14. marisacat - 25 January 2009

hmm Danny Schechter’s News Dissector has a Sunday update… we may have boarded the Iranian ships headed for Gaza.

[T]he bombing by the US in Pakistan before a special envoy was even named triggered a protest by Pakistan’s government which had issued similar protests when their border territory was attacked under the Bush Administration. That act may just harden hostilities in that part of the world.

But worse, is what seems to be happening on the high seas with Iran. The US Navy has reportedly boarded an Iranian ship and found arms being shipped to Hamas in Gaza. This is being justified under the terms of a deal Hillary agreed to with Israel. (Could it be considered a new treaty? If so, Congress has been bypassed. A no-no!)

Well sorta no-no… I mean it would be a shock if congress were consulted. Seems to me they signed away rights to making an issue of war making, high seas hostilities and whatever else, over Iran, by 97 to ”present”, ”in the john”, ”home with a brain bleed” being the other 3. Pretty sure Obster was a hawkish ”YES, how soon can we do it” vote.


The hawkish and not always accurate Debkafile, based in Israel, reports: Two US warships escort Iranian ship carrying arms for Hamas out through Suez Canal

“DEBKAfile’s military sources report that a US Navy Coast Guard team this week boarded an Iranian arms ship flying a Cypriot flag in the Red Sea and found weapons in its hold.

This was the first time an America warship had ever intercepted an Iranian vessel in international water. The incident activated the Memo of Understanding the former US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice signed with Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni a week ago on actions to halt the flow of Iranian arms to Hamas as part of the Gaza ceasefire.’…snip…

He’s also got a few grafs from Sam Gardiner, a AF colonel who emails him, on Russia issues in this.

Welcome to the new pretzel. And the new SoS…

15. marisacat - 25 January 2009

Watch for the “uptick”. Let’s just say the Guardian is highlighting different things from the FTN appearance Biden made…

The Obama administration warned the US public yesterday to brace itself for an increase in American casualties as it prepares to step up the fight against al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan and the border regions of Pakistan.

Against a background of widespread protests in Pakistan and Afghanistan over US operations since Obama became president, the vice-president, Joe Biden, said yesterday that US forces would be engaged in many more operations as it takes the fight to its enemies in the region.

The Obama administration is to double the number of US troops in Afghanistan to 60,000 and when asked in a television interview if the US public should expect more American casualties, Biden said: “I hate to say it, but yes, I think there will be. There will be an uptick.” …

Biden, in an interview with CBS news, defended the strikes, saying that Obama had repeatedly said on the campaign trail he would not hesitate to strike against any high-level al-Qaida targets. He suggested cooperation between the US and Pakistani counter-terrorist agencies would increase, with more US training for their Pakistani counterparts.

Over the last year, there have been at least 30 US missile attacks on Pakistan’s wild tribal area, which is used as a haven for insurgents fighting international troops in neighbouring Afghanistan….snip…

Only Israeli children in Sderot matter. Got it. Oh and don’t go making Beanie Bag dolls named after the WH children. Got that too. Tho it would have been OK I guess if J Crew had made the dolls.

16. diane - 25 January 2009

ms xeno (10)

indeed…am reminded of a likely “illegal immigrant” who worked at my then boss’ (how should I turn that into the ownership tense, I’ve forgotten amongst larger concerns?) brother’s restaraunt…One of the highly imported if from Asia, or highly welcomed in, despite illegality, if from a walkable distance (in this case, from Mexico) who died on the job trying to prove bootstrap worthiness…and to put a roof over the head, from pneumonia…………….literally dropped dead in the middle of the restaraunt…can one only imagine the TO DO, if one of our elite’s relatives died such a hideous death……..

17. diane - 25 January 2009

ahh well …near out of the Sambuca but will save some some for those who are so overwrought it provides a welcome reprieve…..

18. diane - 25 January 2009

been meaning to ask Marisa, did you see that Innaugural hardcopy shot of the WA monument from above (a helicopter?) which made the Washingtin Monument look like a penis on steroids with teeny ant resembling bots gathered around in two apropos ballish formations? maybe it’s a good thing some weren’t allowed beyond the tunnel gates, they may not have wanted to partake in that particular photo shoot.

19. marisacat - 25 January 2009


I did see some over head shots of the area… with the bunched, dark masses… but I sort of glossed right by the monuments.. Hyperbolic event, is all I can say.

20. diane - 25 January 2009

…yes, it certainly was a Hyperbolic.event…certainly the same ole …with a new paint job,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I suspect tho hard copy photo I referred to, epitomizes that reality………………..

21. diane - 25 January 2009

listening to Nina sing: ..sad deserted show…your fickle freinds are leaving… and pondering the recent hardcopy shots already, of Obama looking far older and weary than the photo shoots running up to the election….

22. marisacat - 25 January 2009

far older and weary

Symptoms of Hyperbolia Syndrome. They say it is common in Washington.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

Creeeeepy photos! Who’s the perv?!

Just kiddin!

Is it just me, or does the part In Benny’s hair resemble a surgical scar where a horn or two once grew?

24. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

Greetings, opera fans. Just thought I’d drop off this link on our new senator, having let a hint or two slip the other day.

Political legacy arrives on stage . Kirsten Gillibrand received her first experiences in Albany politics from her grandmother, the legendary “Polly” Noonan.

Suck it, Boston! (You too, Boroughs!)

This may qualify as having too much fun, but thought some of y’all might get a laugh out of this one, too:

Guess who!

“I trust the governor; the governor trusts her. Let’s get it on.”

25. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

(BTW, the writer of the T-U article is Paul Grondahl, an Albany journalist and author of the biography, Mayor Corning.)

26. marisacat - 25 January 2009

what a hoot! Thanks for the links… I was jsut reading excerpts from the Larissa McFarquar piece on CKS in The New Yorker ooo tough times.. nasty dem faction fighting. Good enough to head over to the NYer and actually read it. Maybe.

“Paterson has no comprehension of upstate New York, absolutely none, and has chosen someone better at representing cows than people,” Lawrence O’Donnell says. “What you have is the daughter of a lobbyist, instead of the daughter of a former President or the son of a former governor. This is the hack world producing the hack result that the hacks are happy with.” …snip…

Pretty funny frankly…

27. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

better at representing cows than people,” Lawrence O’Donnell says

Larry, Larry, Larry.

Come up and visit sometime.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

14 – If true, that’s an act of war.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

For those on the West Coast, “60 MInutes” is opening with an incredibly depressing report of the increasing economic disaster in Wilmington, Ohio.

(CBS) When President Obama spoke of “the winter of our hardship” in his inaugural address, no one in America understood that better than the folks 60 Minutes met in Wilmington, Ohio. They’re people in the grip of a brutal series of layoffs at DHL, the shipping company. Their experience was part of the news this past week that new claims for unemployment benefits are the highest in 26 years.

Since the economic crash of 2008, taxpayers have committed to more than $1 trillion in various bailouts of Wall Street. But not much of that is reaching families in crisis. On kitchen tables, headlines from Washington and New York lie beside unpaid tuition bills and foreclosure notices. After all the speeches and parties of Inauguration Day, what were the families in Wilmington asking?

“Are we going to lose our home? Are we going to be able to pay our property taxes? What are we gonna do for insurance? What are we gonna do for food? You know, and these are questions that you’d never think that we’d ask yourself. And now they’re discussions in the home,” says Mike O’Machearley, who is losing the job that helped support four children and a grandson.

“They always say that God closes a door, he opens another one. And we have faith that he will,” he adds.

Faith is what sustains Wilmington now. Settled by Quakers 200 years ago, it’s a community with such an all-American look that it seems like a movie set. About 12,000 people live there. And many, like O’Machearley, work in the last industry you’d expect in a laid back town.

Too bad God isn’t there. Nor is your government. Or your employers … too busy chasing the cheapest workers.

I find myself if that’s what this period will be known as … “Great Crash of ’08”.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

60 MInutes link in spam, I think.

31. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

by 97 to ”present”, ”in the john”, ”home with a brain bleed” being the other 3. Pretty sure Obster was a hawkish ”YES, how soon can we do it” vote.

Missed 14 entirely. I saw an item in the British press, I think, or maybe AFP, a couple days back, reporting that the US had indeed intercepted and boarded an Iranian ship, but at the time (just pre-inauguration, I think) it was pursuant to Condi’s last-minute deal with Israel. If I remember right, the ship turned out to have artillery on it, which they couldn’t pin on Hamas’ MO, so they couldn’t make much hay of it, and under some authority or other, were doing further document-checking on the provenance and recipients, etc.

Will see if I can find that.

32. diane - 25 January 2009

well there ya go, Politics, a twisted state of mind where denigration and humiliation rain supreme………………..don’t even want to hear the backroom version of that quote…………..

over the weekend I’ve been trying to escape something I couldn’t help but to hear on friday, which may as well have been pronounced on a megaphone by the CFO at the comapny I’m currently working at…..for some inexplicable reason..said CFO found the need to pontificate overly loud as a side conversation about his two pet dogs, about how wolves were so promiscuous the female (his tone may as well have said “Bitch”) hadn’t a clue about who’s sperm her pup was a child of….these are the folk making the decisions about the realities in this country…let it be quite clear , they have NO respect whatsoever for FEMALES

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

wow, and now 60 Minutes, after the depressing story about Ohio, is actually doing a piece about how the Israelis treat the Palestinians on the West Bank.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

Jerusalem Post: US seizing of Iranian ship ‘a covert op’.

Gosh, do we have a bilateral agreement for revealing each others’ covert ops now, too?! Let’s get it on!

International media reported that an Iranian-owned merchant vessel flying a Cypriot flag was boarded early last week by US Navy personnel who discovered artillery shells on board.

The ship was initially suspected of being en route to delivering its cargo to smugglers in Sinai who would transfer the ammunition to Hamas in Gaza, but the US Navy became uncertain over the identity of the intended recipient since “Hamas is not known to use artillery,” The Associated Press cited a defense official as saying.

It was then allowed to sail toward the Suez Canal, where Egyptian authorities have been asked to conduct another search of the vessel, according to the report.

In an e-mail to the Post, Lt.-Col. Patrick Ryder of the US Air Force, who is a spokesman for the Defense Department, said the US military was “aware of the media reports and are looking into them, but we have nothing to provide at this time.”

Prof. Raymond Tanter, president of the Washington-based Iran Policy Committee, said, “It is not surprising that the US Navy is reluctant to acknowledge the operation, which may have been covert,” adding that maritime law posed challenges when it came to intercepting ships that fly the flag of a sovereign country.

Dear Officer Krupke . . . . we’re very challenged!

35. marisacat - 25 January 2009

Sorry!.. think I got IB and diane out of Mod… and Madman out of spam…


Re Iranian ships… Debka had a later Jan 25 post as well, that i found after I read News Dissector.. not sure it said much new. Apparently originally it was Tzipi and Condi… but i guess that now.. that means Ob Tzipi and Hillary.

BTW, there is a report in Politco on the “Steroidal WH” or some such… first up on the main page. it calls Mitchell and Holbrook very clearly “Presidential envoys”… aside from other stories on consolidiated power in WH/WW. What else is new… I guess.

36. diane - 25 January 2009

…..oopsie, my last comment ( not visible just yet) was in response to Intermittent Bystander’s comment at 24 (currently).

37. diane - 25 January 2009

comment 32 (currently), was in reference to Intermittent Bytander’s comment at 24 (currently).

38. marisacat - 25 January 2009

This is the later, Jan 25 Debka file report…

The Iranian ship boarded by a US Navy Coast Guard team on the Red Sea last week before it could smuggle arms to Hamas is now disclosed by DEBKAfile’s military sources to have tried to trick the search team by enclosing its rocket cargo in secret compartments behind layers of steel. Furthermore, our sources reveal, the US has not yet found a harbor in the region for carrying out a thorough search.

The Cypriot-flagged Iranian freighter Nochegorsk was intercepted last week by the new US Combined Task Force 151 in the Bab al-Mandeb Straits. Its presence in the Red Sea was first revealed by DEBKAfile on Jan. 20. For this article click HERE.

The arms smuggling ship was first reported escorted out of the Suez Canal Saturday night, Jan. 23, after which Washington imposed a blackout on the incident. It is now moored at an Egyptian Red Sea port at the entrance to the Gulf of Suez.

Both the US and Egypt are hesitant about precipitating a full-blown armed confrontation with Iran. The timing is wrong for the new Barack Obama administration, which is set on smoothing relations with Tehran through diplomatic engagement. Cairo has just launched a campaign to limit Tehran’s aggressive drive in the Middle East but does not want a premature clash.

DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources disclose that the ship’s captain had orders not to resist an American boarding team but impede a close look at its freight. The Navy Coast Guard searchers first found a large amount of ordnance and explosives in the ship’s hold, which the Iranian captain claimed were necessary for securing Iranian freighters heading from the Red Sea to the Suez Canal. But then, the US searchers using metal detectors perceived welded steel compartments packed with more hardware concealed at the bottom of the hull.

Our military sources estimate that eventually the US government may decide to let the Iranian arms ship sail through the Suez Canal out to the Mediterranean for lack of other options.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

hey hey! Bolivians approve constitution granting indigenous majority more power, Morales re-election

(LA PAZ, Bolivia) Bolivian voters embraced a new constitution Sunday that promises more power for the long-suffering indigenous majority and grants leftist President Evo Morales a shot at remaining in office through 2014.

The charter passed easily in a country where many can still recall when Indians were forbidden to vote. But its sometimes vague wording and resistance from Bolivia’s mestizo and European-descended minority foreshadows more political turmoil in an Andean nation polarized by race and class.

Morales, Bolivia’s first Indian president, says the charter will “decolonize” South America’s poorest country by recovering indigenous values lost under centuries of oppression dating back to the Spanish conquest.

Bolivia’s Aymara, Quechua, Guarani and dozens of other indigenous groups only won the right to vote in 1952, when a revolution broke up the large haciendas on which they had lived as peons for generations.

“The poorest people are the majority. The people with money are only a tiny few. That’s what you have to consider,” said Eloy Huanca outside a polling place in El Alto, a sprawling satellite city of La Paz. “They ran things before, and now it’s our turn.”

But opposition leaders warn the constitution does not reflect Bolivia’s growing urban population, which mixes both Indian blood and tradition with a new Western identity, and could leave non-Indians out of the picture.

40. marisacat - 25 January 2009

Think everybody out of Moderation, again.. sorry!

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

Obama to Let States Restrict Emissions Standards

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday will direct federal regulators to move swiftly to grant California and 13 other states the right to set strict automobile emissions and fuel efficiency standards, two administration officials said Sunday evening.

The directive makes good on an Obama campaign pledge and marks a sharp reversal from Bush administration policy. Granting California and the other states the right to regulate tailpipe emissions is one of the most dramatic actions Mr. Obama can take to quickly put his stamp on environmental policy.

The presidential orders will require automobile manufacturers to begin producing and selling cars and trucks that get higher mileage than the national standard, and on a faster phase-in schedule. The auto companies had lobbied hard against the regulations and challenged them in court.

42. dinae - 25 January 2009

Madman (41)

The sad..under reported realty of that will be that millions, couldn’t (haven’t been able to) afford a polution free car if they wanted to, and our dear politicians in the US have never, ever been concerned with that (till it was too late) nor have they ever really been concerned with ensuring affordable, timely mass transit, certainly not safe pedestrian walkways………what does it tell folk when the special ones have their guests flown in on Brinn’s private Google jets, versus rail, horse or bus.

43. marisacat - 25 January 2009

swiftly to grant California and 13 other states

The political reporting out here, all of it, is that we – California – are in like Flynn with Obama. Quite shamelessly told too.

Not a big shock.. plenty of electeds were with obama… Pelosi may have officially signaled neutrality but her closest CA supports, Miller Tauscher others were wtih obama. I saw Andy Stern took his turn in the viewing box, standing behind Ob, his wife with him…

And DiFi and others who supported Hillary will work any deal … so not supporting him back in teh primaries does nto matter.

44. diane - 25 January 2009

….I just know someone out there is sniffing that folks that can’t afford pollution free cars should move to a metro area with abundant mass transit……well I have to say….I tried to do that….the rats nests offered up to me in the metro area were fucking unliveable….but then again, there’s nothing like finding out for one’s own self…so I suggest the blowhards move to Detroit…after all somebody’s got to live ther don’t they? everyone can’t live in the normally freeze free Florida, Texas or Cali…can they?

45. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

32 – How fortunate you are to have as your colleague that distinguished zoologist/translator Dr. Doolittle! I read all those books as a child! I can only trust the Doctor wasn’t betraying any confidences from the lady-wolves involved!

(PS: Quote was from Al “Marvin Gaye” Sharpton, at a Gillibrand “listening” event in Harlem the day after her appointment.)

Hey, I keep telling ya, she works hard for the money!

(BTW, Madman – the so-called colleagues who dissed her as “ambitious” can join Larry and the Bostonians in the “suck it’ queue. For a different perspective, try NYBri – a DK poster who ran for state senate in an actual factual, bootstrap-aka-shoestring campaign in overlapping districts with Gillibrand in 06. His diary – with entertaining comment outrage – appears to differ, based on shared county fairs, etc. Another diary, covering her first post-appointment press conference and offering a round-up of her ratings by goo-goo orgs, by longtime Albany political activist devtob is here.)

Whatever. This is all pretty interesting, from a regional perspective, and I’m happy enough to see what happens next.

Disclosure: I did actually help get the vote out in Hudson on election day 06, when Gillibrand first took John Sweeney down. That dude had to go!

(The last time this non-citizen actually beat the street on election day, it was probably as a minor, for McGovern! )

46. diane - 25 January 2009

42 (curently)

I guess dinae is my inner voice, that’s how I usually misspell my name on a keyboard (never, in the cursive though)

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

42 – oh, I so agree with you on that, and found the recent reports that mass transit was being cut to coax Rethugs into “bipartisan” agreement on something or other to be very, very depressing. I’ve had friends in my younger/poorer days who tried all kinds of schemes and quick fixes to get their old cars to pass emmission testing.

Always a double edge in this stuff.

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

45 – Oh, not picking sides IB, merely passing along and enjoying the flying barbs and brickbats from the various “statespeople” of our political and media classes.

We’ll see how she does, though NRA love automatically makes me suspicious.

49. marisacat - 25 January 2009

well that is why “liberals” who love to pontificate on the Great Need for High Priced Gas… drive me bats.

Fine then make sure like France we have redundancies of transportation.

I read recetnly and wish I could remember what country we were compared to… hmm but we had 5% usage of mass transportation (because we hardly have any but in a few cities – and not in all that even coutns) vs Forget Which Country, where 70% use mass transportation.

They will never build the infrastructure… will nto do it. They are gonna write poetry about repairing pot holes and 50 year old overpasses and call that “transportation infrastructure”.

And so on

50. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

45 – Oh, not picking sides IB, merely passing along and enjoying the flying barbs and brickbats.


Me too! Just thought I’d give the Bostonians (and you) a link or two defending the Sweeney-slayer.

BTW, re doors opening and shutting, etc. Couldn’t resist this RT tune (Japanese site, no clue why, but it didn’t crash my browser): One Door Opens. (Lyrics here.)

51. diane - 25 January 2009

Intermittent (45)

I did bother to read who made the comment, other that can’t say much cause I’m not totally clear on the intent behind your message to me..

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

I liked the NYBri diary. It was interesting. We’ll see how she does, if allowed to do anything. Harry seems to prefer groveling inaction …

Found this:


Obama’s main message is, “If you don’t do it the American way, we will crush you”. It is all the more “devious” because it’s coming in this velvet glove that claims that it’s being done in a spirit of cooperation. The real message is, “we will defeat you”. A new disease is being spread called “Obama fever”. The symptoms are flag waving, millions gathering and clapping like a bunch of trained seals and hypnotic sectarian rapping. O-Ba-Ma, O-Ba-Ma! The following are comments by “Native Pride” and MNN Mohawk Nation News:
Tuesday, January 20, 2009: Obama: The New Lincoln? We Hope Not!

As the US crowns its new king, the world looks on with [media guided] hope and wonder. The former Illinois Senator has been compared to one of the most popular US Presidents, Abraham Lincoln who was seen as the Great Emancipator, Freer of the Slaves and the Healer of a Divided Nation. Obama swore his oath of office on Lincoln’s Bible.

Buried in that era of slavery and Civil War are a few chapters of the American “Indian” Holocaust of 115 million, the biggest in all humanity, that began long before Lincoln and continues today. While Mr. Lincoln was earning a fake place in history, he signed the Homestead Act in 1862. This was a law offering huge tracts of our lands to foreign white settlement. It was put through without consultation, without consent and without regard for the rights and needs of our people. Eventually 1.6 million homesteads were granted on our land and 270,000,000 acres of our territories were privatized between 1862 and 1986, which is 10% of all lands in the U.S. In the conflicts that raged over this illegal action, thousands of Ongwehonwe men, women and children were killed and millions of acres of our territories remain unlawfully occupied. This has nothing to do with honesty, courage, fair play and tolerance. Obama’s speech demonstrates clearly his concept of loyalty and patriotism has nothing to do with respect for the Ongwehonwe of Turtle Island and our future generations.

Two days after Lincoln signed the “Emancipation Proclamation” in 1863, he signed an order to hang 38 Dakota Sioux in Mankato Minnesota. There were only about 40 adult men of fighting age left out of 400 “prisoners of war”. The U.S. agent refused to feed the Indigenous people and was selling the rations that were meant for them. The men begged for food for their people who were starving to death. He told them to eat grass.

They killed him and stuffed his mouth with grass.

And some details from upstate NY, which NYCO has told us about in the past:

Today New York State has a black Democratic Governor, David A. Paterson. He has just signed an illegal document authorizing the destruction of the existing economies of eleven Ongwehonwe communities in the state. It is obvious the Americans are the big bullies they’ve always been since King Henry VII issued the “Cabot Charter” in 1496. It authorized the capture and plunder of any lands belonging to non-Christian people that might be found.

Many Ongwehonwe have embraced this new U.S. President Barack Obama. Many of us do not. We hope that he will not earn the traditional title, “Rahnatakias”, which is our word for U.S. President. It means “town destroyer”. In 1779 the first President, George Washington, ordered the genocide of all Rotino’shonni : onwe, Iroquois people, our communities and food sources in the lands between Wyoming and the Canadian border. He eliminated over a hundred thousand of us by famine and disease. [www.joycetice.com] No, Obama is not our president. He is the 44th man to hold the title of Rahnatakias on behalf of the colonists who are occupying our territories. The valid nation-to-nation relations with Ongwehonwe are always a low priority or non-existent for any colonial administration.

People are looking to Mr. Obama for a solution. The true test of his promise of change will come in the treatment of the Ongwehonwe. Is he going to be another two faced reformer, a Washington, a Lincoln or a Kennedy, who preaches equality and freedom while crushing us under his heel? We refuse to be put under colonial “Federal Indian Law” headlocks.

The U.S. will not stop its decline by continuing to dispossess and oppress us. They have to meet us on the original nation-to-nation terms. We have never surrendered our jurisdiction over ourselves or our resources or our territories. They have to acknowledge the crimes of the past. They have to reign in their colonizing beast. They have to stop feasting on the dead bodies of our ancestors. They have to stop dancing so hard on our lands and resources that they starve and suffocate the generations to come.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

put a “:” and a “o” where that smiley face is.

54. diane - 25 January 2009

Madman (47)

quick fixes to get their old cars to pass emmission testing

Yeah the EMG Valve scam……….

similiar to a requirement to hand sand, and not let a speck of ancient paint touch the earth, in the dead of winter…any areas with potentially ancient paint on them in order to sell one’s house in some areas of the east coast

55. NYCO - 25 January 2009

52. As an addendum to Madman’s post (thanks for pasting all that!), I should point out that – as always in NY-Haudenosaunee relations – there is always something cooking under the surface, so that this…

Today New York State has a black Democratic Governor, David A. Paterson. He has just signed an illegal document authorizing the destruction of the existing economies of eleven Ongwehonwe communities in the state

is not quite the whole story as it stands at the moment. Paterson actually had included in prepared State of the State remarks (ah, but not delivered…) a completely unprecedented public call for New York to negotiate with “the nations within its borders.” This is a small nicety, but a new one. Despite the public posturing by all the governors, negotiation with Haudenosaunee has been pretty much unofficial state policy since Cuomo days. See this recent column in the Post-Standard for a very good examination of the current sitch. I also posted recently about it.

Anyhow, to get back to Obama, he has no real grasp of America’s original sins any more than the other Town Destroyers did. Maybe I wouldn’t either, if I didn’t believe that they have a legal case to the land my house sits on and that I also believe that eventually they’re going to be in a stronger position to claim authority over it. It’s very crass of me, really.

56. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

dinae – pushmepullyou smiley here!

Doolittle crack concerned CFOs arrogance on the inner knowledge of she-wolves, that’s all!

Shorter comeback: Funny, your wife said the same thing about the little ones! Cute kids, by the way!

57. marisacat - 25 January 2009

NYCO out of moderation.. sorry!

58. diane - 25 January 2009


Sorry, just really not able to laugh about it….and certainly wasn’t able to respond to that asshole, especially since it wasn’t even directly addressed to me, I just was forced to listen to the loud mouthed prick, sitting at a cubicle busting my ass on some new sick and twisted version of little bu[i]lly gatekeeper microshit trying to make some sense about company records that no one ever gave a rat’s ass about making sense of, and certainly not getting any thinks for telling anyone they were/are totally fucked up

59. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

diane – No crickets on Hugh Lofting, right?

60. diane - 25 January 2009

NYCO (55)

gee NYCO…not sure what to say but I really feel for you…that’s got to be a really unsettling scenario and I hope you find out real soon, that the home you worked so hard to live in will remain yours unless you decide to move.

61. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

“For years it was a constant source of shock to me to find my writings amongst ‘Juveniles,'” Lofting reported. “It does not bother me any more now, but I still feel there should be a category of ‘Seniles’ to offset the epithet.””

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

Thanks for the links, NYCO.

Were the Six Nations wronged in New York state? Were their lands taken illegally? And if so, does the state owe them anything in return?

That’s it. We’re so used to that debate, we sometimes forget the scope. You have to be historically numb to be unmoved by such events as what we saw this month, when the cigarette battle spilled into court in Auburn, where the Cayugas — an Indian nation — were pitted against a county named in their honor.

Paterson said a 1994 Supreme Court ruling affirmed he has the right to collect cigarette taxes.

Many Oneidas or Cayugas, in turn, would point to court decisions that said their lands were taken illegally. Based on those rulings — which reignited passions that had smoldered on Iroquois territory for almost 200 years — they would argue the sale of tax-free cigarettes is part of the larger reckoning, especially those cigarettes sold from stores beyond the boundaries of established reservations.

To try to separate cigarette sales from the bigger question is like saying a burning coal is not related to the fire.

NO ONE wants to confront these questions. Hell, this country won’t even deal fairly with the decades-long wholesale thefts from the paternalistic Indian Trust, let alone deal with the broken treaties that came BEFORE the citizens of the First Nations were declared children and wards of the Federal government.

63. NYCO - 25 January 2009

60. Thanks diane but it’s really not unsettling. See here for some background-


It’s not a volatile situation at all. (not here in this part of the state, anyway)

But I was just pointing out that… if you believed someone else legally had authority over your home and that they might be able to exercise it someday… wouldn’t you educate yourself about them? Wouldn’t you respect them and be friends with them?

64. diane - 25 January 2009

Intermittent (59)

Do you mean no grudges against Dr Lofting/Doolittle?…never met the man, although I wouldn’t swear that he wasn’t capeable of being quite the prick, especially if he held humans in total contempt (just thinking that Doolittle was based in part on his own personality). Three marriages aren’t necessarily an indicator of compatibility, though it’s possible that he was great guy who just shouldn’t have married.

At any rate he’s not analagous to the clown I was referring to. Sorry I’m so grumpy but Monday is appraoching rapidly.

65. NYCO - 25 January 2009

62. Re the Federal government, the situation in New York has historically been somewhat different because the Haudenosaunee nations typically have not dealt with BIA on land stewardship. Instead their point of reference with respect to Federal relations tends to center on the last treaty they signed with the U.S., the Treaty of Canandaigua — they sue New York and seek the U.S. to join as a co-plaintiff, etc. Only recently have some nations opted to go the BIA land-trust route. The U.S. government just took over something like 14 acres in trust on behalf of the Oneidas and some non-Indians are freaking out.

So our situation here is somewhat different than out West (plus, we’re not sitting on minerals for the U.S. to steal), but certainly I think a Mohawk’s discontent with Obama could be resonant for any Native American nations around the country. Keep looking for it, I think you might see more of it, for their hopes had gotten really high as well.

66. diane - 25 January 2009


Thanks for the link, and I’m really glad you’re not in danger of losing your home. I think if I was living on land that I discovered was illegally taken before I purchased it, I would have a number of emotions, anger at the thieves, a desire to make things right for someone who was wronged, yet a conflicting fear of losing my home.

Of course it makes perfect sense to pursue the history of the situation, and certainly honor and respect someone who was treated so hideously, why should they be enemies.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

To try to separate cigarette sales from the bigger question is like saying a burning coal is not related to the fire.

Drug Wars and taxes . . . ever the campfire glow!

68. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

Cigarettes are at the back-breaking point here, sintaxwise.

At this point, I bet a large constituency of New Yorkers would be happy for a local depot or internet address.

I saw this in Canada, too. Bleed the turnips too much, they’ll self-educate on native – as well as black market – issues before long.

69. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

Diane re Lofting upthread : Man, you ARE grumpy! I think this is where the class war requires me to REMIND you that you should be thrilled and grateful that you still have a JOB!!!! Shithead CFO or no.

But I’m still learning the ropes.

(Monday morning smiley here.)

Recently learned Lofting’s descendants are somewhere hereabouts, too, speaking o regional connex.

(Sometimes I think I’m still fighting with HairClub about what “upstate” is all about . . . his misperceptions on that topic were so mind-boggling. Think Stan’s updated his photo pages recentlly, BTW. (We’re allowed to call him Stan, right?)


70. Intermittent Bystander - 25 January 2009

I think either cigarettes or Stan went to the mod pod, FWIW.

‘Night all. Thanks for all the links and thinks.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

Keep looking for it, I think you might see more of it, for their hopes had gotten really high as well.

I really look forward to your updates NYCO, b/c I’m not as familiar with the issues in NY state. Thanks again for the links.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2009

A friend sent me this excellend dkos post … the kind of thoughtful thing I used to like to find there (that many that comment here used to post or comment in themselves), the kind of thing that got supplanted by partisan whoring for the worthless donks: About That Kid in Omelas

73. marisacat - 25 January 2009

I see at Tapper Obster is giving a speech tomorrow, remarks, whatever.. on the emissions waivers..

and on this:

”The president will also deliver brief remarks in the morning that deal with the creation of green jobs in his stimulus package:

* modernizing 75 percent of federal buildings and 2 million homes;
* doubling enough renewable energy generating capacity to power 6 million American homes;
* modernizing the nation’s electricity grid will result in more than 3,000 miles of new or modernized transmission lines and 40 million “Smart Meters” in American homes; and
* launching the Clean Energy Finance Initiative to leverage $100 billion in private sector clean energy investments over three years. ”

74. CSTAR - 25 January 2009

From Haaretz:IDF rabbinate publication during Gaza war: We will show no mercy on the cruel

Haaretz has received some of the publications through Breaking the Silence, a group of former soldiers who collect evidence of unacceptable behavior in the army vis-a-vis Palestinians. Other material was provided by officers and men who received it during Operation Cast Lead. Following are quotations from this material:

“[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it.” This is an excerpt from a publication entitled “Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead,” issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from “Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner,” who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

The CBS segment on 60 minutes that aired this evening on the future of the two-state solution is also online. I don’t think it needs any comments other than to say it is surprising to see that on American TV.

75. catnip - 26 January 2009

Israel vows to back soldiers accused of war crimes

Getting nervous, are they?

“The state of Israel did everything in order to avoid hitting civilians. I do not know of any military that is more moral, fair and sensitive to civilians’ lives,” Olmert said.

If that’s their defense, they’ll have one hell of a time proving it.

76. catnip - 26 January 2009

AP IMPACT: Lobbyists skirt Obama’s earmark ban

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s ban on earmarks in the $825 billion economic stimulus bill doesn’t mean interest groups, lobbyists and lawmakers won’t be able to funnel money to pet projects.

They’re just working around it — and perhaps inadvertently making the process more secretive.

The projects run the gamut: a Metrolink station that needs building in Placentia, Calif.; a stretch of beach in Sandy Hook, N.J., that could really use some more sand; a water park in Miami.

There are thousands of projects like those that once would have been gotten money upfront but now are left to scramble for dollars at the back end of the process as “ready to go” jobs eligible for the stimulus plan.

The result, as The Associated Press learned in interviews with more than a dozen lawmakers, lobbyists and state and local officials, is a shadowy lobbying effort that may make it difficult to discern how hundreds of billions in federal money will be parceled out.

“‘No earmarks’ isn’t a game-ender,” said Peter Buffa, former mayor of Costa Mesa, Calif. “It just means there’s a different way of going about making sure the funding is there.”

Change you can believe in…or not.

77. marisacat - 26 January 2009

new post..


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