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Peacock… 9 February 2009

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Honolulu, Hawaii: A peacock displays his feathers [Jim Collins/AP]

A break, maybe, from the political mugs.  And an especially beautiful peacock… a symmetry or synchronicity of energy in the radiating eyes of his plumes.

Of course it is a while since I saw a live peacock, up close.

Maybe he is just average.  Average Joe Peacock…  Joe Six Pack Peacock.  With a boring peahen, tucked away at home.  Maybe he’d condescend to have a beer with the pretzeldent, any pretzeldent.  hmm Don’t think so, looking at him.



1. lucid - 9 February 2009

Naw – just looks like a peacock on acid. 🙂

2. marisacat - 9 February 2009

hmm I see a headline at Drudge.. that a Bloomberg report says a ”National Head for Medical Information Technology has been slipped into” the Stumble Bill.

Oh do carry on Federal government. We’ll get some mess of a centralised med data base, that will get all mixed up with the Terrorist data base.


3. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

I’ve been looking around for car insurance in Jersey. For a youngster.
Instead, I’m just gonna blow it off and go with the Catholicism. LOL.
For three easy payments of $29.95.
As long as I get some type of certificate, we should be okay, right?

For Catholics, Heaven Moves One Step Closer

Published: February 9, 2009

The announcement in church bulletins and on Web sites has been greeted with enthusiasm by some and wariness by others. But mainly, it has gone over the heads of a vast generation of Roman Catholics who have no idea what it means: “Bishop Announces Plenary Indulgences.”

In recent months, dioceses around the world have been offering Catholics a spiritual benefit that fell out of favor decades ago — the indulgence, a sort of amnesty from punishment in the afterlife — and reminding them of the church’s clout in mitigating the wages of sin.

The fact that many Catholics under 50 have never sought one, and never heard of indulgences except in high school European history (Martin Luther denounced the selling of them in 1517 while igniting the Protestant Reformation), simply makes their reintroduction more urgent among church leaders bent on restoring fading traditions of penance in what they see as a self-satisfied world.

“Why are we bringing it back?” asked Bishop Nicholas A. DiMarzio of Brooklyn, who has embraced the move. “Because there is sin in the world.”

4. marisacat - 9 February 2009

ugh I went to Bloomberg. Worse than I thought. Remember Daschle is Ob’s favored friend. FOO… or FFOO (favored friend of Ob). Full of embedded links.

Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.”

According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

There’s more:

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make. …

More at the article… I would call it draconian, or the potential to be.

5. marisacat - 9 February 2009


Last I heard they sold indulgences… and oh forget the word, the version of Catholic divorce… cannot think of it.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

4- that is such a horrible set of ideas.

7. lucid - 9 February 2009

Sin is the most inane concept I’ve ever encountered.

Funny interlude… I was once trying to explain the concept of Kantian morality walked into an idea of the social contract to my brother. Of course Kantian contracts are completely based on a universal notion of equality, whereby no contract can be considered valid unless it recognizes the rational equality of the participants – and how contracts that undermine that fundamental equality have no place in civil society… My brother is an intelligent guy – PhD, works all over the world in relief and development work… and he comes back at me with, ‘so it’s kind of like sin’…I did a double take. So he continued, ‘so breaking a contract is sort of like sin – the contract between God and humanity’…


Did you miss the part about contracts being between and recognizing equal parties?

My response… ‘Well, I don’t believe in god, so what contract exactly are you talking about?’

8. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

they sold…the version of Catholic divorce

Marital Default Swaps.

9. lucid - 9 February 2009


10. marisacat - 9 February 2009

The Bloomberg article has more.. ugh.. AND I am perfectly aware that the author of the Bloomberg piece is trying to scare people about “socialised medicine”…

HOWEVER, I would trust Daschle and Obster, not at all. There is no desire to deliver “health care” in this country. There is a desire to shove people in to lousy super managed care, so that increasingly businesses and corps can stop providing (such as it may be) ins as part of employment. This whole mess has only come up as for some years business has signaled they want to quit bothering.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

11. marisacat - 9 February 2009

8, 9

right.. 😆

both are right…

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

7 – wow, that’s depressing.

13. lucid - 9 February 2009

There has never been any intention toward healthcare in this country on every level… keep ’em sick and help industry profit off of them. Our FDA has continually been under the influence of various lobbies to get drugs approved that kill people and the ‘Food Pyramid’ supported by every lobby is the direct cause of countless chronic and lethal diseases.

Not to mention the travesty of AIDS.

Countless people sick, dead and dying for only the reason of profit, or more cynically for politics. Fuck the American medical system.

It’s way beyond universal coverage – and that extends to western Europe as well…

Science is now beginning to realize that things like viruses are not exogenous predators, but indogenous cell communicators. How many people have been killed by the former idea? How many people will continue to be killed by it until ‘healthcare’ catches up to the science? Especially when the ‘healthcare’ industry of every nation and a good share of the pharmaceutical industry is making trillions from the fallacy? And especially when the real malefactors[ ag business, chemical, petro-chemical, etc.], are also making trillions…

not anytime soon

dont’ go to the hospital…

14. marisacat - 9 February 2009

There is a pain industry in this country. It serves big pharma and it serves street drug business as well. BOTH.

15. marisacat - 9 February 2009

btw, the stumble bill is looking a little pregnant. It grew by 11 billion over night. From an agreed upon (all media outlets reported it, LOL) 827 gahbillion… to 838 today.

The rabbit died.

The headlines at Bloomberg are hilarious. And frightening. We are being so screwed.

16. lucid - 9 February 2009

While I know that pain industry is near and dear to you heart – I remember the really heartfelt story you told about your mother , the morphine, and the morphine cops… it goes so far beyond that.

Diseases that have no earthly reason to exist. Treatments that exacerbate those diseases. Treatments for diseases that cause other diseases. A vicious circle that ensures that every doctor who takes the Hippocratic oath actually becomes a hypocrite.

And an establishment that ensures that any true doctor or scientist that speaks up against the insanity is immediately booted from the profession, or at least burned as a witch in the literature from Science to Quackwatch.

If we want to reform healthcare, we need to reform the entire medical profession – it’s not just an issue of access.

17. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Diseases that have no earthly reason to exist. Treatments that exacerbate those diseases. Treatments for diseases that cause other diseases. A vicious circle that ensures that every doctor who takes the Hippocratic oath actually becomes a hypocrite.

But that is what I mean. If little is treated (much less prevented), if “treatment protocols” are so rigid (and they are) if medicine is ONLY for profit, if there is no “medical arts“, no Hippocratic oath, it ALL leads to pain. And of course death and extended dying.

18. lucid - 9 February 2009

agreed… the way you put it just made me think specifically of the situation with your mother – and I don’t really know any specifics on that beyond what you’ve said around these parts…

19. marisacat - 9 February 2009

well of course Obster went into office wiht his other half as well (who is very busy busy busy visiting the various agencies last week and this)..

A history at UIChicago Hospital. One of the things she interested her self in, as VP for “community outreach” (I said a long long time ago fuck this label of ”community”) and “diversity”, was her other thing.. but she interested herself in schemes to divert local low income patients from the hospitial, thru a scheme with Axelrod and one of his many companies.

It is deeper than access but access is an emergency situation. Of course the whole thing is.

20. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Poor Sully has a 1000 watt light bulb shined in his dim little eyes.

09 Feb 2009 04:32 pm

The Binyam Mohamed Case

The Obama administration will continue the cover-up of the alleged torture of the British resident. The argument is that revealing the extent of the man’s torture and abuse would reveal state secrets. No shit. This is a depressing sign that the Obama administration will protect the Bush-Cheney torture regime from the light of day. And with each decision to cover for their predecessors, the Obamaites become retroactively complicit in them.

So what are they hiding from us? Wouldn’t you like to know?

he needs to count himself as an ”Obamaite”.

21. catnip - 9 February 2009

8. Marital Default Swaps.

Sounds like a good investment idea to me. 😀

22. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Quite the little ditty from an Obama organiser. Lordy. And a classic of the sort…even more classic as he meanders thru the disappointment and EMBARRASSMENT (his word) at the actual roll out, then, at the end he buys back in.

Popcorn! Butter! Opera Glasses (for real, the ones to see fleas! At a mile!)… !

23. diane - 9 February 2009

Ahh looking at the posts, looks like untrusting mind’s think alike…….been traveling down the (same) rabbit hole tonight, of the The National Health Information Network which began as a much distrustedBush EOC: Executive Order 13335, on April 27, 2004, and is now going to stimulate us, at the cost 21 to 28 billion, I found a timeline with some interesting links, in case anyone else is as creeped out by the government and various corporate masters fucking with our medical records NHIN Timeline:


Fall 2008: The new private “non-representational” AHIC board is in place. The new board includes representatives from Eli Lilly and Wal Mart, among others. …[ and no the board has not been replaced under Obama’s administration ]
September 23, 2008: Stakeholders left behind……. AHIC successor names board: press release. The new AHIC notes that the “Board of AHIC successor did not recommend that the Board be representational.” The AHIC board is decidedly not representational, in particular, privacy interests are not represented on this board.


The Board includes the illustrious Mike Leavitt (pdf file)

….”When asked what he felt most satisfied about during that time, he listed: Implementing the Medicare prescription drug benefit….

Asked what he wishes would go better, he answered, “Entitlement reform: Medicare and Medicaid are drifting toward disaster, and many of our efforts to change course have been rejected or reversed by Congress. We cannot ignore this problem, and currently we are.”


Speaking of privacy violations, hadn’t heard this one re the Golden State:
World Privacy Forum opposes California DMV plan

The California DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) has proposed, through an expedited 30- day process, that it begin taking detailed facial scans of drivers and storing the scans in a state-wide database. This change, among other proposed DMV changes, represents a substantial policy shift for the state of California. …”

24. catnip - 9 February 2009


Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

I can’t believe that’s actually in black and white…in a national newspaper…and that was Daschle’s idea?

Holy culling the herd.

25. marisacat - 9 February 2009

well thre are no quotes around that part.. and I won’t be buying Daschle’s book on health care. But they have a third Emanuel brother at the WH all wrapped up in health care as well.

Should go REALLY WELL…

26. catnip - 9 February 2009

Has anybody checked in on Ezra Klein lately to see if he’s slit his wrists yet? (He was the one who wrote that ridiculous, over the top, messiah screed last year, right?)

27. catnip - 9 February 2009

Just how many Emanuel brothers are there? They seem to be multiplying.

28. marisacat - 9 February 2009

oh yeah he slobbered all down his bib and onto the floor. No I have not.. think he put up some big fight to ”save” Daschle however, from links and comments I saw around.

What a poop from the party, not even an apparatchik but an excrescence. .. 🙄

29. marisacat - 9 February 2009

26 three. Rahm. We all know him. Ari the hollywood… um agent I think.. and forget Numero 3’s name, but he is a doctor. Like their father iirc.

30. catnip - 9 February 2009

27. Someday Klein’s grandkids will read that and turn absolutely beet red (just before they change their names).

There should be a Klein-o-Meter to measure just how badly Obama’s doing. If that meter goes down really low, you know armageddon can’t be far behind.

31. lucid - 9 February 2009

… yet the media lapdance continues…

when did humanity get reduced to putty?

I think I missed that memo.

32. catnip - 9 February 2009

28. I’d make a My Three Sons joke but that would best be handled by the professionals.

33. catnip - 9 February 2009

30. when did humanity get reduced to putty?

Silly or drywall?

34. lucid - 10 February 2009


35. lucid - 10 February 2009

but drywall works too – and is probably more appropriate.

36. marisacat - 10 February 2009

23 (and 😳 sorry, the comment got stuck in Spam for a bit!)


people from that board are even popping up with commentary.. I caught a couple on vid on TNH last week. Really oppressive poeple who are anxious to decide to gets what, to a greater degree than now.

One an AWFUL owman was careful to say that if they decide some procedure is not useful they won’t BAN it but they won’t cover it.

I mean, one reason I love full text as delivered is that they ALWYS give up tidbits.

37. marisacat - 10 February 2009

This is the trouble with apple pie sentimentality about bipartisanship, and all of the usual “neither Republican nor Democratic, but American” garbage. It is harmful to your jobs, to your healthcare, to your food cupboard. And it can, as in the case of Iraq, lead to mass murder. — Richard Seymour aka Lenin

works for me!

38. bayprairie - 10 February 2009

hey madman

that trial ended in a declared hung jury tonight about 7 central. after interviewing the jury (5 for aquittal, one against) the state won’t prosecute the case again.

reading between the lines using the local viewpoint lens it sounds like the young girl’s real crime was reportedly yelling,‘F— you. I hate the police,’. evidently with good reason.

her lawyer filed a federal rights violation lawsuit last year agaist 3 of the officers. she might just have a case.

Mistrial declared in girl’s alleged assault on cop

39. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Blossom Dearie, Cult Chanteuse, Dies at 84

Published: February 8, 2009

Blossom Dearie, the jazz pixie with a little-girl voice and pageboy haircut who was a fixture in New York and London nightclubs for decades, died on Saturday at her apartment in Greenwich Village. She was 84.

… Her last public appearances, in 2006, were at her regular Midtown Manhattan stomping ground, the now defunct Danny’s Skylight Room.

A singer, pianist and songwriter with an independent spirit who zealously guarded her privacy, Ms. Dearie pursued a singular career that blurred the line between jazz and cabaret. An interpretive minimalist with caviar taste in songs and musicians, she was a genre unto herself. Rarely raising her sly, kittenish voice, Ms. Dearie confided song lyrics in a playful style below whose surface layers of insinuation lurked. Her cheery style influenced many younger jazz and cabaret singers, most notably Stacey Kent and the singer and pianist Daryl Sherman.

But just under her fey camouflage lay a needling wit. If you listened closely, you could hear the scathing contempt she brought to one of her signature songs, “I’m Hip,” the Dave Frishberg-Bob Dorough demolition of a namedropping bohemian poseur. Ms. Dearie was for years closely associated with Mr. Frishberg and Mr. Dorough. It was Mr. Frishberg who wrote another of her perennials, “Peel Me a Grape.” …

Traveling to Paris in 1952, she joined the Blue Stars, a vocal octet that recorded a hit version of “Lullaby of Birdland.” While there she shared quarters with the jazz singer Annie Ross and met the Belgian flutist and saxophonist Bobby Jaspar, to whom she was briefly married. …

Beginning in 1966 she traveled regularly to London to play Ronnie Scott’s, a popular nightclub, and while in England recorded four albums for the Fontana label. Back in the United States she established her own label, Daffodil Records, in 1974. Its first album, “Blossom Dearie Sings,” released at the height of the singer-songwriter movement, contained all original songs, including “Hey John,” a tribute to John Lennon (with lyrics by Jim Council), and “I’m Shadowing You,” a collaboration with Johnny Mercer. …

40. marisacat - 10 February 2009

reading between the lines using the local viewpoint lens it sounds like the young girl’s real crime was reportedly yelling,‘F— you. I hate the police,’. evidently with good reason.

her lawyer filed a federal rights violation lawsuit last year agaist 3 of the officers. she might just have a case.

I hope she does… was just reading again about that old bugaboo of being picked up and jailed for speech in the UK (and elsewhere)… as ”hate crimes”. Horrible.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 February 2009

Just how many Emanuel brothers are there?

Ever see that movie Gremlins? In this case, just add money and they multiply.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 February 2009

38- oh, thanks for the update. Good news. I hope she sues their asses off.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 February 2009

I love Blossom’s voice.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 February 2009

Off to work … we’re supposed to come close to 60 degrees today.

Have a good one everybody.

45. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

bayprairie – Good morning, Gov’t Mule! Belated thanks for those tunes!

(I’ve seen the band name often – and mistakenly assumed it was a Dead offshoot – but after listening and reading up at wiki, will definitely try to catch a live show, next time the band comes this way.)

Fantastic photo up yonder! Unusual angle and lighting of famous plumage.

Bumped into this a few years back, and was able to hunt it down again: How peacock feather structure influences iridescent color.

46. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

It’s not the heat, but the absolute humidity?
Grandma’s moistening kettle may have held off flu.

Grandma may have been right about keeping a teakettle warming on the stove in winter to moisten the air. Studies of seasonal influenza have long found indications that flu spreads better in dry air. Now, new research being published Tuesday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, indicates that the key is the absolute humidity — which measures the amount of water present in the air, regardless of temperature — not the more commonly reported relative humidity.

Relative humidity varies depending on air temperature; absolute humidity doesn’t.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

Meant to post this a few days ago . . . regarding New York’s new senator and her speedy pivoting on immigration issues after meetings with Latino pols. It certainly relates to NYCO’s upstate/downstate discussion a thread or two back.

GILLIBRAND’S ABOUT-FACE: Newly appointed lawmaker now against deporting undocumented workers.

Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand took all of a week to do an about-face on immigration issues for her new big-city constituents, proclaiming Monday that she is against deporting undocumented immigrants and is open to letting them become U.S. citizens.
Her first big test on that question, though, may not be in the city at all, but in the milk houses and orchards of upstate New York, where her stand against undocumented workers has frustrated farm groups for two years.

Two senators may bring the farm immigration debate back to the Senate early this year, and the Senate Agriculture Committee — which Mrs. Gillibrand, D-N.Y., has just joined — could play a background role.

Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vermont, has said he wants to reintroduce a farm guest worker bill soon, figuring it has a better chance of becoming law with Barack Obama in the White House. Farm lobbyists expect Sen. Dianne M. Feinstein, D-Calif., to propose an immigration bill for farm workers, called AgJobs, by spring, following six fruitless years of trying to pass it. The bills would typically come before the Judiciary Committee, but probably not without input from members of the Agriculture Committee, which has been a roadblock in the past.
The last attempt to advance AgJobs failed when leaders of the Senate Agriculture Committee refused to include it in a five-year farm bill last year. Its inclusion threatened to sink the bill.

The timing now may be awkward. Mrs. Gillibrand could win the support of both farmers and urban immigrant communities by softening her stand, but supporting a bill to expand employment for non-citizens is riskier when upstate employers are laying off U.S. citizens by the thousands.

48. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

Blossom Dearie, I’m Hip.

I Won’t Dance.

49. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009
50. NYCO - 10 February 2009


Like I said, anti-immigrant sentiment is not a huge payoff issue in Upstate precisely because of the fruit and dairy farmers, who want to keep their illegals down on the farm free of harrassment and raids. The people who dislike immigrants’ presence “on principle” may not be as politically powerful as they think. (Of course, there is much to dislike about using illegal immigrants as virtual slave labor…)

Gillibrand’s about-face would hurt her most on Long Island, I think, where hatred of illegal immigrants seems more institutionalized.

51. marisacat - 10 February 2009

I don’t see why there should nto be some Ag guest worker bill from the new congress. Two years ago DiFi was working with Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable and other liberal left groups (HA! the irony) to craft an ag worker bill. Whatever congress comes up wtih, It should be bureacratic and messy enough to please that sort.

I have seen segments out here that seem pretty straight forward on the current state of how agriculture has to fulfill the current rules. They seem burdensome. But my own guess is that whatever form of “bracero” program they come up with is going to be a mess.

Aside from that there are the skilled worker visas. Which imo should be done away with, or very very restricted to the current status, during such a harsh economic downturn. Those workers are gettign laid off as well… and they are not happy. Their visas are tied to teh employer and they have to find new work very quickly. Well, the layoffs are pretty widespread.

52. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Politico has a story up on Bredesen, he defends himself against criticism from health advocacy groups on what a lousy shit he is… LOL…

hmm people I know in TN were very happy with TENN Care in 2000 (he ran in 2002), it had been expanded to serve middle income who could nto afford private insurance, were too young for Medicare, etc..

Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen, under consideration to be Secretary of Health and Human Services, offered an aggressive defense of his health care record Monday, saying the criticism he’s received from advocacy groups ignores the flawed program he inherited and the realities of needing to balance the state budget.

Bredesen, in an interview with Politico, emphasized that he was “not campaigning for [the post],” but acknowledged he had told President Obama when the two first met in 2007 that he was willing to helpful on health care however possible, and also touted his background in health care.

“They need somebody who could sit down with all these groups and talk the language,” Bredesen said, referring to the many parties in the health-care overhaul debate.

The second-term governor and former Nashville mayor founded and made millions off of HealthAmerica Corp, a healthcare management firm, before entering politics

Recalling his run for governor in 2002, Bredesen said he envisioned creating a “model system.” …

53. marisacat - 10 February 2009

hmm GM announcing 14% of global workforce, salaried staff, lay offs. 10,000 workers over the course of this year.

54. bayprairie - 10 February 2009

“Houston MIracle” redux?

ah yes.. appointing a health care profiteer from tennessee to run HHS makes just about as much sense as getting a fraudster education expert from Houston ISD as SecED.

i sure hope Bresden doesn’t label the AMA as a terrorist organization.

55. marisacat - 10 February 2009

yes it is very much like “miracle from Houston” that shyster asshole that Bush so loved. And it helped Bush’s image that the school guy was black.

All so fucking rigged.

56. marisacat - 10 February 2009

BTW, Ben Smith picks up on the Kanjorski story (with vid) .. Madman had posted a Boing Boing link yesterday. Rush is running with it as well.

Part of what he said [on Cspan on Jan 27]:

On Thursday at 11:00 a.m. the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.

If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2:00 p.m. that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.

57. marisacat - 10 February 2009

It was 61/37 again. LOL The senate version of the SC 5/4

US senators pass President Barack Obama’s $838bn economic rescue plan, which now needs to be reconciled with a bill passed by the House.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

58. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Market Summary

At 1:15 PM ET: Stocks are off sharply as investors sell holdings across the board. Declining Issues outpace advancing issues by 4.3 to 1 and the S.&P. 500 index is lower by 3.72%. Among individual stocks, the top percentage losers in the S.&P. 500 are Principal Financial Group Inc. and ESP Resources Inc.

59. catnip - 10 February 2009

Hmmm…I’m looking for the transcript of Obamalama’s press conference on the WH site and it’s nowhere to be found. You would think that would be front page news there. Nope.

60. CSTAR - 10 February 2009

IB 48 49 Chouette!

61. marisacat - 10 February 2009

The Ft Meyers rally for the Stumble Bill is a revival meeting. People are unemployed, wondering why their Unem Ins checks are so little.. an elderly black homeless woman begs for housing.. and Obster is selling Medical Records IT as a way out of the morass.

Don’t think so. But they applaud and Hallelujah.


62. marisacat - 10 February 2009

catnip… all I can find are press briefings/Gibbs.

The old Bushiters had his speeches and pressers up pronto (transcripts I mean)

63. catnip - 10 February 2009

62. The old Bushiters had his speeches and pressers up pronto (transcripts I mean)

Ironic, isn’t it?

61. an elderly black homeless woman begs for housing..

I saw that. Un-comfortable. He referred her to his staff but couldn’t say anything about helping the homeless because he’s not offering anything. It’s all fine and dandy to help the middle class but he may find he has a big problem down the road when too many of those people fall into poverty despite his little tax cuts and discover that the only thing the gov’t has for them comes from the so-called faith-based initiatives office i.e. call your nearest church.

64. marisacat - 10 February 2009


hmm no transcript at NYT either.. so here is CNN transcript of it.

BTW, he was clocked at first answer = 10 minutes… truly filibuster!

65. catnip - 10 February 2009

So, what’s on the menu for today’s Israeli elections? Netanyahu with a side dish of Lieberman or Livni with Lieberman as dessert ? Oh what a nail-biter.

66. catnip - 10 February 2009

so here is CNN transcript of it.

Great. Thanks!

67. catnip - 10 February 2009
68. catnip - 10 February 2009

from the comments:

CBC: Why is Canada so poorly represented? The combined strength of the Lower House of Parliament can fling close to 22 million tons of BS in a single Question Period. And Steve Harper himself can stretch an iron-clad truth (indefinitely!) using nothing but his mouth!


69. bayprairie - 10 February 2009

thanks for those links at 48 and 49! didn’t really know about her at all.

70. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Oh what a nail-biter.

uhg;.. I say go for it. It seems, even discounting that polls (imo) can be issued to rally support… but STILL, that tons of Israelis had no problem wtih Gaza. Plenty of American Jews, no problem. Plenty of UK Jews, no problem… none. So it is years past Israel fooling anyone with peace groups.. (glad for T’selem, but let’s get real!) and so called Left (I read Livni is bolstering support by reaching out to Wimmens and THe Left, ho ho ho… )

So, I say, bring it on. In the immortal words of our very own Alexander Pontius Holy Roman / whatever pope was the most bloodthirsty in history. Prolly a few to pick from.


71. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Oddly just before I heard of her death on some overnight radio news update (which sent me to check the NYT, and I see she died Saturday).. I had been thinking of her Shadow Me… which is the lyrics with her little stab at J Edgar Hoover and the FBI…

Very ironic somewhat sardonic voice… full of sweet finger pointing. I’m Hip is a scream imo….

I lvoed her voice… I have a couple of old records from the 70s…

72. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Oh Honey.. get a clue it is not hard to figure out why he did it. Or “his” DOJ did it. or whatever. IMO Ambinder is a huge apologist for the party, this could be good (as in hilarioius)

State Secrets

by Marc Ambinder | Feb 10 2009, 12:48PM

I’m going to spend some more time on the phone this afternoon attempting to figure out why the Obama Administration ratified the invocation of the state secrets’ privilege yesterday. We know what happened; we know how civil libertarians responded; we know that the Justice Department used the occasion to announce a review of other invocations; we know next to nothing about the sequence of events in this case; we know the how, but not the why.

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73. marisacat - 10 February 2009

welll via Ambinder (while i am there) here is a quick tick tock of who DOES like the “Financial Stability Plan”

Feb 10 2009, 11:56 am by Marc Ambinder

The Big Sell

Selling the Financial Stability Plan might be even more difficult for the administration than convincing the American public that in the short term, adding nearly $1 trillion to the debt is the only way to prevent $1 trillion of economic growth from not being realized.

Early on, the following interests seem to like the plan: Congress, the Business Roundtable….the Real Estate Roundtable (which loves the expansion of the Federal Reserve’s asset backed loan facility), the mortgage industry.

Who doesn’t? The market, which is skeptical that investors will want to risk contributing to the government’s Public-Private Initiative — and the realization that the government, in a time of unmatched crisis, is putting even more of its assets on the line.

His second graf has embedded links to a round up of assessments…

74. catnip - 10 February 2009

72. That was my question too: “why?”

But let’s face it, no one will ever get the real reason out of Obama or his minions so that’s just a waste of time.

Let’s all just move forward! Yesterday never happened. Changeyhopeyness and all of that.

Oh…and send money now!

75. marisacat - 10 February 2009

“spiral” is the word they are using. Money moving out os stocks to Treasuries.

hell if I know. The news report is running the same story, all becuase Geithner gave too few detials.

Just listening to Rose again from last night (transcript not up yet, will put it up when it is) and Jackie Calmes says it is very hard for them to get a hold of what Obama means. He does nto lay out principles for them on Stim , Bail Out or whatever. Nor does he discuss motivations behind “changes”. So they just sort of …do.. whatever… I guess.

I dunno .. maybe a moment for investigative reporting rather than steno pool work.

Woo hoo. We are well into hopeychanigness. And transparency is all over, like a pox or a virus.

76. aemd - 10 February 2009

Some amazing photos of the Victoria brushfires.

77. marisacat - 10 February 2009

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Dow Drops More Than 400 Points as Investors Express Frustration With New Bailout Plan [3:23 p.m. ET]

78. lucid - 10 February 2009

76 – indeed… Funny thing. One of the photo’s was blacked out with the notation ‘Warning. Contains obejctionable content’. So I click and it’s a picture of a burned horse… Hm… not quite what I expected given the label.

79. marisacat - 10 February 2009


thanks for those aemd….

80. marisacat - 10 February 2009

hmm Times Online.

Stocks plunge as Timothy Geithner fudges detail of economic rescue

Christine Seib

Financial stocks plummeted tonight as the markets reacted with horror to the Obama Administration’s economic rescue plans.

Even as the Senate passed the $838 billion economic stimulus bill by 61-37 votes in favour, New York financial stocks fell by more than 7 per cent and the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 3.3 per cent to 7,997.52 points.

The Nasdaq fell 2.5 per cent and the S&P 500 2.2 per cent in midday trading, as investors expressed their scepticism that the White House can revive the banking system.

The collapse in confidence came after Timothy Geithner, the US Treasury Secretary, spoke about the long-awaited second phase of America’s financial bailout.

Critically he backed away from the widely-anticipated creation of a bad bank in which the Government would buy toxic assets from banks to boost their balance sheets. …

81. marisacat - 10 February 2009

new post…


…………… 😯 ……………..

82. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

Top of the reclist at the Glowball – ACTION: Protesters ‘Storm’ Banking CEOs Homes! (diary by AfroPonix)

Monday, Feb. 9, a group of 350 to 400 at-risk homeowners, organized by the Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America , staged a series of protests outside the mansions of wealthy bankers in a moneyed Connecticut neighborhood.

83. marisacat - 10 February 2009


I moved your comment forward to the new thread… 8)

84. Intermittent Bystander - 10 February 2009

CSTAR, bay, MCat – I think I must have first heard Blossom’s voice as a kid (and always remembered her wildly onomatopoetic name!), because even though I haven’t followed her work, I knew her instantly when I saw the obit clip above. What amazes me about her sound and style is how light – and yet how right (and surprisingly rich, savvy, sly, etc) – it really is. Just learned today that she was involved with Schoolhouse Rock in her later years, too.

Found some more good ‘uns, for those interested. (And FYI Marisa – I’m Shadowing You is the first tune she plays live in the link at #49.)

Surrey with the Fringe on Top (performing on Jack Paar show, very early 60s)
It Might as Well Be Spring (audio only, French version)
(Montage of album jackets and photos set to audio of Don’t Wait Too Long)
Try Your Wings (audio only – video is clip from Breakfast at Tiffany’s)
I Don’t Remember (audio only, 1991)

85. bayprairie - 11 February 2009

Some amazing photos of the Victoria brushfires.

photo 15 is reminiscent of minor white’s work with infrared film. how unsettling.

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