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Year of the Ox 9 February 2009

Posted by marisacat in California / Pacific Coast, Divertissements, San Francisco.
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From the Chinese New Year parade in San Francisco:

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A golden ox honors the year of the ox. (Laura Morton / Special to the Chronicle)

Wandering around the Chinese Astrology sites I see that this year is Female (Yin) Earth Brown Ox.  Or, cow or waterbuffalo.

So, how now Brown Cow.  😉

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1. NYCO - 9 February 2009

Holy crud, check out the flaming Chinese luxury hotel (no one in it… it hadn’t opened yet)…

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/asia/10beijing.html

Looks like it’s completely on fire top to bottom. 241 rooms, and the fire fully engulfed within 20 minutes. This building designed by hotshit architect Rem Koolhaas, who recently declared:

“Don’t tell anyone,” Rem Koolhaas said to me several years ago as we headed down the F.D.R. Drive in New York, “but the 20th-century city is over. It has nothing new to teach us anymore. Our job is simply to maintain it.”

Hey Rem, maybe the 20th century city could teach you something about not designing perfect firetraps.

2. catnip - 9 February 2009

Today’s ‘You know the economy’s bad when…’ headline:

Gangsters leave Alberta as slump hits drug trade

3. catnip - 9 February 2009

Pilger:

On 23 January, the Guardian’s front page declared, “Obama shuts network of CIA ‘ghost prisons’ “. The “wholesale deconstruction [sic] of George Bush’s war on terror”, said the report, had been ordered by the new president who would be “shutting down the CIA’s secret prison network, banning torture and rendition…”.

The bollocks quotient on this was so high that it read like the press release it was, citing “officials briefing reporters at the White House yesterday”. Obama’s orders, according to a group of 16 retired generals and admirals who attended a presidential signing ceremony, “would restore America’s moral standing in the world”. What moral standing? It never ceases to astonish that experienced reporters can transmit PR stunts like this, bearing in mind the moving belt of lies from the same source under only nominally different management.

Far from “deconstructing [sic] the war on terror”, Obama is clearly pursuing it with the same vigour, ideological backing and deception as the previous administration. George W. Bush’s first war, in Afghanistan, and last war, in Pakistan, are now Obama’s wars – with thousands more US troops to be deployed, more bombing and more slaughter of civilians. On 22 January, the day he described Afghanistan and Pakistan as “the central front in our enduring struggle against terrorism and extremism”, 22 Afghan civilians died beneath Obama’s bombs in a hamlet populated mainly by shepherds and which, by all accounts, had not laid eyes on the Taliban. Women and children were among the dead, which is normal.

Far from “shutting down the CIA’s secret prison network”, Obama’s executive orders actually give the CIA authority to carry out renditions, abductions and transfers of prisoners in secret without the threat of legal obstruction. As the Los Angeles Times disclosed, “current and former intelligence officials said the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role.” A semantic sleight of hand is that “long term prisons” are changed to “short term prisons”; and while Americans are now banned from directly torturing people, foreigners working for the US are not. This means that America’s numerous “covert actions” will operate as they did under previous presidents, with proxy regimes, such as Augusto Pinochet’s in Chile, doing the dirtiest work.

Bush’s open support for torture, and Donald Rumsfeld’s extraordinary personal overseeing of certain torture techniques, upset many in America’s “secret army” of subversive military and intelligence operators as it exposed how the system worked. Obama’s nominee for director of national intelligence, Admiral Dennis Blair, has said the Army Field Manual may include new forms of “harsh interrogation”, which will be kept secret.

Obama has chosen not to stop any of this. Neither do his ballyhooed executive orders put an end to Bush’s assault on constitutional and international law. He has retained Bush’s “right” to imprison anyone, without trial or charges. No “ghost prisoners” are being released or are due to be tried before a civilian court. His nominee for attorney-general, Eric Holder, has endorsed an extension of Bush’s totalitarian USA Patriot Act, which allows federal agents to demand Americans’ library and bookshop records. The man of “change”, is changing little. That ought to be front page news from Washington.

there’s more…

4. catnip - 9 February 2009
5. marisacat - 9 February 2009

hmm From the Sunlight Foundation:

Dear Sunlighter,

Sunlight has long advocated that all legislation be posted online for at least 72 hours before consideration, and we’ve also been supportive of President Obama’s campaign pledge to post all legislation online for five days before he signs it into law.

Now that Congress is on the verge of passing the Stimulus Bill, I need you to tell President Obama to post it online for five days before he signs it. (It looks like Congress will ignore our call to post the Stimulus Bill online before their consideration.)

This important legislation will dramatically affect all of us, which is why we are asking you to help us demand a measured and transparent process for making this bill law.

Go to WH contact page to urge President Obama to post the final bill as approved by the House and Senate approve on WhiteHouse.gov. Please do it today, as this bill is moving very quickly.

We issued a statement urging President Obama to post the final version of the bill passed by both the House and Senate for at least five days on WhiteHouse.gov. Additionally, we called on Congress to post the Stimulus legislation online for at least 72 hours bill before consideration.

The statement is online here: link

You have to wonder. Maybe a neat school project for his 13 million supporters

6. marisacat - 9 February 2009

1

Doesn’t he sound like an idiot. Thanks for the link to the article.. I had been seeing pics of it, mostly with notations that all people could do was stand and watch it burn. WIll be glad to read a bit of back story…

7. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Krugman full of stings and barbs today….

8. marisacat - 9 February 2009

4 dead (US soldiers) in Iraq from car bomb.

9. marisacat - 9 February 2009

hmm read the AP to the end, for whatever reason they tacked on an interesting and convoluted tale of detention. 10 years long, from initial disappearance in N Iraq, thru Gitmo to now ICRC says the individual has been transferred to Iraq.

What a maggots nest of human life we have made.

10. marisacat - 9 February 2009

yes well

Obama Administration Maintains Bush Position on ‘Extraordinary Rendition’ Lawsuit

February 09, 2009 2:44 PM

From Jake Tapper and Ariane de Vogue:

The Obama Administration today announced that it would keep the same position as the Bush Administration in the lawsuit Mohamed et al v Jeppesen Dataplan, Inc.

The case involves five men who claim to have been victims of extraordinary rendition — including current Guantanamo detainee Binyam Mohamed, another plaintiff in jail in Egypt, one in jail in Morocco, and two now free. They sued a San Jose Boeing subsidiary, Jeppesen Dataplan, accusing the flight-planning company of aiding the CIA in flying them to other countries and secret CIA camps where they were tortured.

A year ago the case was thrown out on the basis of national security, but today the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard the appeal, brought by the ACLU.

….

UPDATE #2: The ACLU says the Obama administration reneged on civil liberties, offers “more of the same.”

Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU said of the decision: “Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.”

Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs said, “We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”

Not that it matters….

11. catnip - 9 February 2009
12. catnip - 9 February 2009

10. A few kossacks are trying hard to justify the Obama admin’s stance. Would they have done the same for Bush? Absolutely not.

13. catnip - 9 February 2009

Politico.com Breaking News:
—————————————————–

The Senate has voted for cloture on the $827 billion economic recovery plan, setting the stage for a final vote Tuesday. Just three Republicans – Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania — joined the Democrats in voting to move the bill forward.

14. marisacat - 9 February 2009

02.09.09 — 5:15PM // link | RECOMMEND RECOMMEND (54)
Surreal — And Must-See

TPM Reader JC sent me to this interview with Nouriel Roubini and Nassim Taleb on CNBC. Here’s what JC wrote:

“In this clip, Nouriel Roubini and Nassim Taleb are still being treated as a circus sideshow by CNBC… They’re predicting the end of finance, and offering the only clear path out of this mess that I’ve seen offered (with the knowledge to back it up), and CNBC keeps asking them for stock tips. It’s ludicrous. Wall Street media — CNBC at least — doesn’t realize how bad this is yet. They’re stuck in a bubble where they think everything will go back to normal in a few months….”

He hits it spot on. These two guys are talking about a deep structural crisis in the world economy. And these CNBC yahoos can’t stop asking for stock tips. Really surreal.

I’m watching it again now. This is a seminal piece of video. You have to see it. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything that captures — albeit unintentionally — the vast disconnect over what is happening today in the US economy.

–Josh Marshall

15. catnip - 9 February 2009

What time is the Big O’s press conference on tonite?

16. marisacat - 9 February 2009

5 Pacific Time, 8 pm ET…

Supposedly about 8 mins of statement then 40 or so mins of Q and A.

17. catnip - 9 February 2009

Thanks. I think I can manage to stay awake through that. Not feeling great today.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Indians Flee Dubai as Dreams Crash – Fall out of Economic Crisis

Local police have found at least 3,000 automobiles — sedans, SUVs, regulars — abandoned outside Dubai International Airport in the last four months. Police say most of the vehicles had keys in the ignition, a clear sign they were left behind by owners in a hurry to take flight.

The global economic crisis has brought Dubai’s economic progress, mirrored by its soaring towers and luxurious resorts, to a stuttering halt. Several people have been laid off in the past months after the realty boom started unraveling.

On the night of December 31, 2008 alone more than 80 vehicles were found at the airport. “Sixty cars were seized on the first day of this year,” director general of Airport Security, Mohammed Bin Thani, told DNA over the phone. On the same day, deputy director of traffic, colonel Saif Mohair Al Mazroui, said they seized 22 cars abandoned at a prohibited area in the airport.

Faced with a cash crunch and a bleak future ahead, there were no goodbyes for the migrants — overwhelmingly South Asians, mostly Indians – just a quiet abandoning of the family car at the airport and other places.

While 2,500 vehicles have been found dumped in the past four months outside Terminal III, which caters to all global airlines, Terminal II, which is only used by Emirates Airlines, had 160 cars during the same period.

“The construction and real estate industry has been hit following the global slowdown and the direct fallout is that professionals working in the realty industry are rapidly losing their jobs,” said a senior media professional, in-charge of a realty supplement in Dubai. “In fact, my weekly real estate supplement usually had 60% advertisement and ran into 300-odd pages. In the last seven weeks, it’s down to 80 pages and with fewer advertisments,” he added.

Mumbai resident D Nair (name changed) had been living in a plush highrise in Sharjah for the past four years. However, the script went horribly wrong when his contract was terminated. Nair used all his credit cards to their maximum limit, shopping for people back home. He then discarded his Honda Accord before returning to India for good. Nair, who stays in a rented apartment in Navi Mumbai today, has a Rs15 lakh loan with a Dubai bank.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Dubai meltdown in moderation, I think.

First question is a seriously dumb one.

20. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

13 Roubini and Taleb…seminal piece of video.

They were great.
But Gahd, the one CNBC-er,
prolly second generation coddled yuppy,
asking Roubini and Taleb for a do-over on Reality.
Kubler-Ross called it Bargaining. LOL.

How do I sublimate that into action today?
If I’m terrified, and I can’t get anything on bond yields?

Sublimate That.
Into Action.
Today.
LOL. What a fuckin’ twit.

Good luck to those financial show infotainers!
Bashing each others brains in for local slots…LOL
One tangential story in all of this is the kind of payola a la Jerome Armstrong these people were able to make in pump and dump schemes.. Fuck them and their frivoulous broadcasting asses.

Speaking of broadcasting, I just tuned in, and
Obama just lied in his opening statement:
I will do whatever it takes to fix this economy.
Depends what your definition of “fix” is and for whom…

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Nevermind!

More “just-us” in the USA: Final arguments in trial against 12-year-old girl mistaken for hooker

The Houston Press reports that final arguments are being held in the criminal assault trial against Dymond Milburn who was 12 years old when four Galveston police officers (David Roark, Justin Popovich, Sean Stewart, and Sgt. Gilbert Gomez) allegedly beat her up with a flashlight and threatened to shoot her puppy, while she was in her yard attending to tripped circuit breaker.

Background: One morning a couple of years ago, Dymond was in her yard, resetting a circuit breaker at the request of her mother. Four plainclothes Galveston police officers were driving by in an unmarked van, responding to a call that three white prostitutes were working Milburn’s neighborhood. The police spotted Dymond (who is black), jumped out of the van and announced that she was under arrest for prostitution. Dymond grabbed a tree and called for her father. The police officers allegedly beat Dymond so badly that she had to be hospitalized (for black eyes as well as throat and ear drum injuries).

Three weeks later, police showed up at Milburn’s school and arrested her for assault. Hence, the trial against her.

22. marisacat - 9 February 2009

ramble ramble ramble ramble… well it cuts down on the questions………

23. marisacat - 9 February 2009

First questin might be dumb but he gave it a 6 minute answer.And doing the same to the second Iran q.

The whole thing is prescripted. At least to who he calls on. Which has come out before, people are alerted a head of time, and I would suspect some pass back and forth on qeustion.

I get the sense it is not a friendly room. But what do I know.

24. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

Obs presser
The Press isn’t going to play this set piece game for long.
Lets hear some follow up on salient points…
I saw Jake Tapper outside a window in the background..seems to be waving his hand or something…LOL

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

22 – sorry … what? I fell asleep.

😕

There’s some boring guy droning on the teevee.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Is Helen there? I want to hear her ask about the rendition argument today.

27. marisacat - 9 February 2009

😆

I saw Jake Tapper outside a window in the background..seems to be waving his hand or something…LOL

as he drones onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

He’s back to light bulbs. Pretty much.

28. marisacat - 9 February 2009

25

haven’t seen her.

He’s on to medical penmanship and selling IT for med records.

I am watching a dying act.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

wow, a new innovation in American politics … the filibuster is made part of news conferences! Quick, someone give him the Elkhardt phone directory to read!

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

They preempted Chuck for this?!?!

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

I predict that after this NO ONE is going to complain if he doesn’t do many press conferences.

🙄

32. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

Ob stressing his bargaining as “consistently civil and respectful ” as a selling point. Asd if that is a bargaining chip. So Find a urinal. That and your “consistently civil” leaves you with your dick in your hand. Why bring it up?

Seems like the Press Corp is in acess jockeying mode, nothing but softballs, no drilling down..
Catnip is right. Boring. Boring as shit. LAST YEAR’S shit.

33. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Give the man a speech! And a teleprompter!

Wroking from his list of OK reporters to call on.

Somebody needs to blast this country fair to bits.

marisacat - 9 February 2009

hmmm think he said any given bank could be failing…

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

LAST YEAR’S shit.

This shit’s so old they could use it in a buffalo chip toss.

35. marisacat - 9 February 2009

It’s just a swirl of mushy nothing. Amazing. Worse than I would hav eexpected.

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

can you have more than one bottom line?

37. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

Ooo a Question referencing Roubini, timidity, and telling people what you want them to hear…

zzzzz. “I don’t want to pre-empt Treasury Sec”..

Tapper now, on metrics for measuring Ob success
The slop of creating or saving 4 million jobs…
What either/or vaporware. Holding the baseline now is going to be the success measure..Hey , Coulda been worse

Starting to perk up a bit with the questions…

Same shuck and jive.
Ironically, Ob is noting that “the political system is not functioning in a meaningful way.” In Iraq. A Little closer to home buddy.

38. marisacat - 9 February 2009

I don’t even know what to say.. frankly.

here we go! A Rod. Steroids.

We now know what comes after Pecs, The Marriage and The Smile Popping chicklets.

Lordy.

WHO the fuck cares. Ob does apparently.

39. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

Helen! Love it: Do you know of Any Countries in ME with Nuclear weapons? Please follow up WRT Israel!

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

who the fuck cares about steroids in baseball? As far as how it looks to our kids, they’re growing up in a racist country “protected” by paramilitary thugs masquerading as police, launching criminal wars on countries that didn’t attack us, a country that bombs women and children while refusing to feed its own children … I think kids have a pretty good idea that there aren’t any “role models” in this nation full of cheats, liars, crooks and backstabbers.

Oh, even Helen threw a softball!

Sigh

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

this better not run over into Heroes.

42. marisacat - 9 February 2009

he’s really slowing down……………………….

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

maura liasson sounds really different on the radio.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

oh please, stop! Jack Bauer is supposed to start torturing people in five minutes!

45. marisacat - 9 February 2009

40

helen looks ill.. and he ignored her question bout nuclear weapons in the ME.

46. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

He cut Helen off with here follow up.

Ob makes Bill Clinton’s Lewinsky rejoinders look positively off the cuff.

47. marisacat - 9 February 2009

40

after his answer on steroids can V chip and school uniforms be far behind.

48. marisacat - 9 February 2009

A wasted hour.

49. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

“Over time people respond to civility and rational argument.”

So who needs power and a military?

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Holy shit! (if true)

At 2 minutes, 20 seconds into this C-Span video clip, Kanjorski reports on a “tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the United States, to the tune of $550 billion dollars.” According to Kanjorski, this electronic transfer occured over the period of an hour or two.

51. BooHooHooMan - 9 February 2009

Heading out for some food. Something filling.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Galbraith and Keiser discuss beheading bankers

In the latest episode of The Oracle, Max Keiser’s iconoclastic economics show for BBC Worldwide, Max and James Kenneth Galbraith seriously debate the feasibility of decapitating bankers.

53. marisacat - 9 February 2009

gosh poor Obster… Media out here are calling Sully Captain Cool. Stole Ob’s back up Id.

54. marisacat - 9 February 2009

50

Kanjorski is an interestin g guy… he is the one that let loose that the Dems (his party) hyped ending the war for the 2006 elections, when they knew they would do …

Nada.

Nothing

Zero

Etc.

55. marisacat - 9 February 2009

6:34

if anything goes to Mod or Spam it may be a minute or two.. I need to reboot. Be back in a few mins.

56. marisacat - 9 February 2009

Sorry! Just found this in Spam file from catnip, so while Ilet it out (upthread) also reposting it:

Pilger:

On 23 January, the Guardian’s front page declared,

“Obama shuts network of CIA ‘ghost prisons’ “. The “wholesale deconstruction [sic] of George Bush’s war on terror”, said the report, had been ordered by the new president who would be “shutting down the CIA’s secret prison network, banning torture and rendition…”.

The bollocks quotient on this was so high that it read like the press release it was, citing “officials briefing reporters at the White House yesterday”. Obama’s orders, according to a group of 16 retired generals and admirals who attended a presidential signing ceremony, “would restore America’s moral standing in the world”. What moral standing? It never ceases to astonish that experienced reporters can transmit PR stunts like this, bearing in mind the moving belt of lies from the same source under only nominally different management.

Far from “deconstructing [sic] the war on terror”, Obama is clearly pursuing it with the same vigour, ideological backing and deception as the previous administration. George W. Bush’s first war, in Afghanistan, and last war, in Pakistan, are now Obama’s wars – with thousands more US troops to be deployed, more bombing and more slaughter of civilians. On 22 January, the day he described Afghanistan and Pakistan as “the central front in our enduring struggle against terrorism and extremism”, 22 Afghan civilians died beneath Obama’s bombs in a hamlet populated mainly by shepherds and which, by all accounts, had not laid eyes on the Taliban. Women and children were among the dead, which is normal.

Far from “shutting down the CIA’s secret prison network”, Obama’s executive orders actually give the CIA authority to carry out renditions, abductions and transfers of prisoners in secret without the threat of legal obstruction. As the Los Angeles Times disclosed, “current and former intelligence officials said the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role.” A semantic sleight of hand is that “long term prisons” are changed to “short term prisons”; and while Americans are now banned from directly torturing people, foreigners working for the US are not. This means that America’s numerous “covert actions” will operate as they did under previous presidents, with proxy regimes, such as Augusto Pinochet’s in Chile, doing the dirtiest work.

Bush’s open support for torture, and Donald Rumsfeld’s extraordinary personal overseeing of certain torture techniques, upset many in America’s “secret army” of subversive military and intelligence operators as it exposed how the system worked. Obama’s nominee for director of national intelligence, Admiral Dennis Blair, has said the Army Field Manual may include new forms of “harsh interrogation”, which will be kept secret.

Obama has chosen not to stop any of this. Neither do his ballyhooed executive orders put an end to Bush’s assault on constitutional and international law. He has retained Bush’s “right” to imprison anyone, without trial or charges. No “ghost prisoners” are being released or are due to be tried before a civilian court. His nominee for attorney-general, Eric Holder, has endorsed an extension of Bush’s totalitarian USA Patriot Act, which allows federal agents to demand Americans’ library and bookshop records. The man of “change”, is changing little. That ought to be front page news from Washington.

there’s more…

57. catnip - 9 February 2009

Channeled his inner John Kerry, I see. zzzzzzzzzzz

Props to Helen. He’ll never admit Israel has nukes.

58. catnip - 9 February 2009

Question from the back of the room: who are these people who are saying “nothing” should be done to stimulate the economy?

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

yet another issue on which Obama sucks: RIAA takes Over the DoJ under Obama: Bad News for Copyfighters

First off, there’s the #3 man at Justice, Thomas Perrelli, accurately described by CNET as “beloved by the RIAA”. Not only has this guy been on the wrong side in the courtroom, he’s fingered as instrumental in convincing the Copyright Board to strangle Web radio in its crib by imposing impossible fee structures.

Then there’s Neil MacBride, who used to be the Business Software Alliance’s general counsel. The BSA, to its credit, hasn’t been suing teenagers. Generally their name is associated with large-scale raids on companies that are mass-producing illegal copies of software. Still, it’s an industry flak group.

Then there’s the #2 man, currently slated to be David Ogden. If that name only rings a faint bell it’s because you have to cast your mind back to Eldred v Ashcroft, the argument on whether retroactive copyright term extensions were legal. Sitting over there on Ashcroft’s side? That’s Mr. Odgen. For extra-bonus ick points, Ogden also was involved in defending the heinous COPA legislation, fortunately now dead and buried (but not forgotten).

The capper on this line-up of suspicious characters is Donald Verrilli, now up for Associate Deputy Attorney General. This specimen of legal acumen is front and center in the Cartel’s jihad, having appeared for Viacom when it sued YouTube, for the RIAA against Jammie Thomas, single mother. And if we peer back a little farther, we find Verrilli’s dirty fingerprints on MGM v Grokster.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

from the Pilger:

What the childish fawning over Obama obscures is the dark power assembled under cover of America’s first “post-racial president”. Apart from the US, the world’s most dangerous state is demonstrably Israel, having recently killed and maimed some 4,000 people in Gaza with impunity. On 10 February, a bellicose Israeli electorate is likely to put Binyamin Netanyahu into power. Netanyahu is a fanatic’s fanatic who has made clear his intention of attacking Iran. In the Wall Street Journal on 24 January, he described Iran as the “terrorist mother base” and justified the murder of civilians in Gaza because “Israel cannot accept an Iranian terror base (Gaza) next to its major cities”. On 31 January, unaware he was being filmed, Israel’s ambassador in Australia described the massacres in Gaza as a “pre-introduction” – dress rehearsal – for an attack on Iran.

For Netanyahu, the reassuring news is that Obama’s administration is the most Zionist in living memory – a truth that has struggled to be told from beneath the soggy layers of Obama-love. Not a single member of Obama’s team demurred from Obama’s support for Israel’s barbaric actions in Gaza. Obama himself likened the safety of his two young daughters with that of Israeli children while making not a single reference to the thousands of Palestinian children killed with American weapons – a violation of both international and US law. He did, however, demand that the people of Gaza be denied “smuggled” small arms with which to defend themselves against the world’s fourth largest military power. And he paid tribute to the Arab dictatorships, such as Egypt, which are bribed by the US Treasury to help the US and Israel enforce policies described by the United Nations Rapporteur, Richard Falk, a Jew, as “genocidal”.

61. marisacat - 9 February 2009

catnip

that was his whole offense essentially.. If you are nto with me then you are FOR NOTHING YOU SCUM…

Hell there are genuine issues. From people NOT named Pence or Coburn or Boehner, etc.

62. marisacat - 9 February 2009

I am hearing the answer to Mara Liasson’s question again.. he goes for change of culture is needed for Entitlement reform. Which is coming. Thanks we knew that.

LOL… Could we end the wars.

Of course by his 8th long ramble I was almost in a coma.

63. lucid - 9 February 2009

14 – unfuckingbelievable… It almost makes me hope the CNBC panel ends up on bread lines. Over entitled assholes.

64. lucid - 9 February 2009

“Elkhardt”…

Elkhart… my dad was born there.

65. marisacat - 9 February 2009

lucid.. yes I wondered if you knew it. It sounds to be in deep deep trouble.

And I sure don’t see governors in view that give a shit about anyone.

66. lucid - 9 February 2009

My grandparents raised their family and died there – I learned how to water-ski [badly] on the Elkhart river. Very depressing town – even before the 15% unemployment.

Actually my dad took the ND job in South Bend because he wanted to spend more time with his parents before they died [SB is 20 miles west of Elkhart]. Though, for the first time ever, a visiting cousin told me this past weekend that he thinks my Dad took the job to spite his father [a German Lutheran] because he hated Catholics more than anything else… who knows.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

sorry Lucid, don’t know where the “d” came from.

Growing up near Chicago, I have vague memories of some kind of racing at Elkhart being advertised all the time … “sundaySUNdaySUNDAY at Elkhart Speedway!” on my little 9 volt radio.

68. marisacat - 9 February 2009

14, 64…

yeah. Apropos of keeping the ponzi scheme going… I read that markopoulos, the guy who tried to alert the SEC against Madoff years ago… was VERY careful and smart. He made sure he wiped his prints from the sheets, the ep, the stamps, etc., from the packet of info he sent in anonymously… he feared being killed.

Smart man. … CNBC should have been arrested after the last big crash (00, 01) for racketeering, RICO charges, something. They drove that sick flatulent market.. and rubes all over the country were glued to the prognostications from them and others….

Should be criminal. But oooops steroids take up all the space and air.

69. marisacat - 9 February 2009

68

media has been spelling ti sometimes with the “d”….

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 February 2009

Sony releases Newest Piece of Shit

71. catnip - 9 February 2009

62. That was his whole offense essentially.. If you are nto with me then you are FOR NOTHING YOU SCUM…

You’re either with us or against us.

72. marisacat - 9 February 2009

exactly!

73. lucid - 9 February 2009

MitM – no worries… forgotten little town, though it is true that the majority of RV’s are made there [and AM General used to have a plant there too, making Hummers – though that moved to Mishawaka at some point].

Don’t think Elkhart had a speedway, though SB did – but most of northern Indiana was awash with monster truck shit in the 1980’s so it’s kind of hard to figure out where it was [I’m sure this also includes Laporte, Valparaiso, Michigan City, Mishawaka, Portage – anywhere that there was a large blue collar white population pissed off by the devastation of their manufacturing jobs during Reagan.]

74. marisacat - 9 February 2009

la porte! A place i have been too.. and Ligonier… and hmm Fort Wayne?

75. marisacat - 9 February 2009

gnu thread…

link

………. 8) ………..

76. lucid - 9 February 2009

Nice county courthouse in La porte… Fort Wayne is more to the east toward Ohio [La porte is toward Chicago]. My trajectory was always in the Chicago direction when growing up after my grandparents died. Between Elkhart and Fort Wayne though, there is a huge swath of Amish land – Goshen, etc. We did go there a fair amount for farmers market type things. Have only been to Fort Wayne a couple of times. The northeast of Indiana is very rural. The northwest corridor was traditionally the industrial area [steel, auto, auto parts, military contractors – and Singer sewing machines].

77. lucid - 9 February 2009

Interesting thought – monster truck jams and the WWF were created to channel blue collar white rage as they saw their quality of life deteriorating in the ’80’s…


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