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Everything will be fine. 2 April 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, UK.


Barack Obama, Silvio Berlusconi and Dmitry Medvedev joke as they pose for the family photo Picture: AFP/GETTY


Remember, this is the group that needed three tries to get the “class picture” (or even more euphemistically, the family photo) anyway, three tries, just to get it right.

First Harper was missing (in the john they say…) then they regrouped and Berlusconi was MIA.  I would not care to speculate.

I am sure everything will be Fine.  Finer.  Finest.  Finefabulous.  Emphasis on FABULOUS.

NEXT!  Paris, reading from the schedule.



1. diane - 2 April 2009

Caladonia …caladonia…what make your big head so hard……


jus sayin

Obama’s bout to get that baboon patch….will shell show scorn at that bald spot…and coze up to tour jete?……………will surge A brinn and woj (with now millions of DNA spit samples), magiklly , do know evil, solve that problem with some kind of peach fuzzy growth, while working on ways to keep surge A googleplex alive despite dire premonition of parkinson’s while flying in NASA fighter jet over sly con valley…(post… preggers new Sum’s wedding jet bussing….why not bikes? …..I’ll bet Al “Puffy” Gore pedalled his bike there) and (coz it is hard work) working overtime at the Singularity Institute soz Mister K can bring poppa back to life (That Glorious Day in Sly Con Valley, When Man and Machine Merge (scroll down a bit…..no link to article, will have to go to library for February 19th, 2009 Rolling Stone hardcopy)…. pretty fuckin scary, since Mister Kurzweil appears to be in over knee deep with the pentagon (per that frikken creepy: New Heaven New Earth link, I guess we are supposed to believe the Pentagon is actually a Sheep in Wolve’s clothing…what a fuckin mess) – you or I would have been locked up – but that is another story…

Molecular robots will spread throughout the tiniest recessws of all matter, Kurzweil predicts [and is backed most vigorously in this pursuit, yes, he most certainly does seem to want to push the envelope towards that hideous place (while we drone in attempts to refine the ART, by Brinn/NASA, and likely Jesama], turning rocks and trees into living computers. ” We won’t experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century – it will be more like 20,000 years of progress.”

Rolling Stone Magazine


who wouldn’t get drunk reading hideous uncontested fecal matter like that

lookin for a local credit union or bank via scroogle.org and, quite quickly fell on this oddity goes rather well with my Miller’s Genuine Draft

jus stoppin by…………..

2. diane - 2 April 2009

ooopser doopser…this was my two copper (“copper” not to be confused with any para military org) pieces:

[and is backed most vigorously in this pursuit, yes, he most certainly does seem to want to push the envelope towards that hideous place (while we drone in attempts to refine the ART, by Brinn/NASA, and likely Jesama]

3. diane - 2 April 2009


just to clarify the scroogle link, it’s scroogle.org, NOT scroogle.com

don’t know much of anything about “scroogle” but certainly prefer it to a place where all of the prez candidates found it absolutely necessary to impress…some things are pretty clear and simple..at least they used to be before the seemingly quick surge of You are GUILTY OF BEING HUMAN..which everyone seems infected with.,..expect the poison ivy league blowhards who pontificate to us that we are human paramecium…I guess they aren’t human, because in all of their pedantic, patronizing, pontificating – they certainly must not consider themselves paramecium..

4. diane - 2 April 2009


Much, much better New Heaven New Earth/ Kurzweil links: Important: Documentary: ‘Transcendent Man’

Filmmakers Barry and Felicia Ptolemy (Ptolemaic Productions) documented Kurzweil’s life for two years in 25 cities in five countries, as he explored the social and philosophical implications of the coming profound changes and the potential threats they pose to human civilization in presentations and dialogues with 22 noted luminaries such as Colin Powell, Peter Diamandis, Dean Kamen, William Shatner, Stevie Wonder, and Kevin Warwick.

Ubiquity Interviews Ray Kurzweil About ‘The Singularity’

KURZWEIL: I’m on the Army Science Advisory Group. The Army is actually the institution responsible for combating bioterrorism, and I’ve been advising them on that. We need to increase our investment in developing the defensive technologies, because the biggest threat we have right now is the specter of a bioengineered biological virus that could be very disruptive. In fact, Bill Joy and I had a joint op-ed piece in the New York Times a few weeks ago, called “Recipe for Destruction,” where we both criticized the publication on the Web of the genome of the 1918 flu virus. We pointed out that it’s basically a recipe for a weapon of mass destruction. People would not advocate putting the precise design of an atom bomb on the Web — which is in fact, illegal — and we weren’t happy when A.Q. Kahn of Pakistan was disseminating just that kind of information. Yet here we have the design of a biological weapon that could be even worse than an atomic bomb.

catnip - 2 April 2009

Speaking of bioweapons, I watched the documentary Anthrax War last weekend. Damn scary stuff.

5. catnip - 2 April 2009
6. diane - 2 April 2009

(6) catnip

…jeez Moe….talk about a helmut doo………….

[sorry for the nest transgression Wordprint…was almost waiting for a little mini electroshock punishment for being out of order……..]

catnip - 2 April 2009

…jeez Moe….talk about a helmut doo………….

Yes, bowls serve many purposes. 🙂

7. catnip - 2 April 2009

The top of the dkos wreck list is pleased to announce:

Obama Saves G20; Does America Proud
by Herticalt



marisacat - 2 April 2009

That is hilarious. Ambinder at the Atlantic who is nothing more than a Dem party mouth piece… opens with this:

Apr 2 2009, 11:42 am by Marc Ambinder

G20 Gobbledygook Eclipsed By Obamania?

Here’s the final communique of the G20 summit, sort of like the final research paper put together by a team of egos and rivals. (It begins: “We, the Leaders of the Group of Twenty, met in London on 2 April 2009.”) President Obama was supposed to convince European leaders to spend more money on their home economies; he didn’t do that. Instead, the White House — and the world — were preoccupied by Obama’s side meetings. There he is, making amends with Medvedev; look — he’s bantering with Hu. He gave the Queen an iPod! Michelle touched the Queen’s back!

Bless Obamamania for its diversionary uses. Geesh.

He entitles it G20 Gobbledegook and then finishes with two grafs of goobledegook himself.

catnip - 2 April 2009

CNN was full of G20 Gobbledygook. If that was your only source of news, you would have been hard-pressed to know exactly what they were actually discussing there. It was all about Michelle’s dresses, their meeting with the Queen etc etc. Mon dieu. Spare us.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

I wonder if they showed this commercial in between the news coverage in London.

catnip - 2 April 2009

lol! 😀

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

I subscribe to Dave Marsh enewsletter Rock & Rap Confidential (you have to subscribe to read the latest edition. In a piece about an interview at the Grammy museum with Tom Morello:

Tom Morello seeks to heal more than himself. Throughout March, he went up and down the west coast on The Justice Tour, designed to call attention to homelessness and to raise money for groups which help the homeless. At the Seattle stop, Morello was joined by Steve Earle, Wayne Kramer, Boots Riley, Mark Arm of Mudhoney, and all of Soundgarden except Chris Cornell (Tom played rhythm guitar). Yet at the Grammy Museum he didn’t mention any of this when he spoke of the tour’s Seattle visit. Instead, he described hanging out at a drop-in center for homeless teens, shooting pool and asking questions such as “Where will you sleep tonight?” He spoke of sixteen-year-olds named Spider and Manson, invoking their plight throughout the evening as symbolic of the crisis in America.

Does this mean that Tom Morello subscribes to the cliché that the music is less important than the issues it often reflects? No way. He spoke with great passion about his musical heroes and about his new band Street Sweeper, co-led by Boots Riley of the Coup and soon to go out on tour with Jane’s Addiction and Nine Inch Nails. Morello doesn’t seek a proper balance between music and politics—they both just pour out of him like sweat does from Shaquille O’Neal..

When asked about President Obama, Morello took a deep breath. He knew that question was coming. “Well, in his first week as President, he said several things that I agreed with. That’s never happened before….And there’s that personal connection. We both have Kenyan fathers and he was at Harvard when I was there. But tonight in Los Angeles there are 75,000 homeless people living in the streets. Ten thousand of them are children. This isn’t about who is President. This is about a system, a system that is fundamentally flawed… Change doesn’t come from an administration, it comes from the people, the people like those who are here in the Grammy Museum tonight, people like Spider and Manson.”

The best audience question of the night was “Do you ever encounter racism from blacks because of the type of music you play?” Tom’s answer was indirect: “People underestimate the impact of Living Colour, a black hard rock band that had success which led directly to faces of color being seen in bands everywhere. As for urban radio, that’s another story.” Then he stopped and thought for a moment. “But you know, with Lil Wayne out there sportin’ a guitar, maybe even urban radio can change.”

As for the future, Morello said that the guys in Rage Against the Machine now get along “famously” and will almost certainly continue to perform together live. When asked if there would be a new Rage album, he said no emphatically. Instead, he urged fans to focus on the music he’s making now. To that end, he concluded the evening by performing five songs in his acoustic persona of The Nightwatchman. It was raw, rhythmic, precise and powerful. The closer was Woody Guthrie’s “This Land Is Your Land,” which ended with the crowd singing “the verses they didn’t tell you about in third grade” and pogoing up and down like a mosh pit was about to break out.

marisacat - 2 April 2009

Tell Morello to get a grip… if it is enough for Sean Penn, totally drop dead famous leftischer! won the Academy award this year!… that America “had the courage to elect an elegant man” it should be enough for Morello.

I think it all comes down to FEED PEOPLE. House them. Do the best for the next generation that can be done. I don’t see anything nanny state-ish about it at that level. Seems to me it is life and death.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

probably should just go with it, go on junkets with Bono.


marisacat - 2 April 2009

yeah pray with Bono… that’ll do it for world and US poverty.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

Sometimes the Void Looks Back Through You; Sometimes the Void Decides You Really Aren’t Worth the Bother

John Waters, my hero, spoke on Sunday about Cy Twombly at the Smithsonian Museum of American Art . I’m sure he chose Twombly because he likes his work, collects it, finds it fascinating, and so on. I think he also chose The Scribbling One because his work typifies the kind of rarified, willfully esoteric contemporary art which just makes people who don’t “get it” go crazy, get angry, say, “My kid could do that,” etc. In conclusion, he stated the following, perhaps the most profound statement about contemporary art I’ve heard in years, maybe decades:

To detractors not fond of the work, Waters offered this retort, “This kind of contemporary art hates you too, and you deserve it.”

marisacat - 2 April 2009

luv the retort from Waters… LOL… but then I think Twombly is wonderful…

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

Obama turned the Queen of England into a copyright crook!

First, let’s imagine that the President (or his staff) bought the 40 show tunes from the iTunes music store. Do you “own” the music that you buy from iTunes? The nearly 9,000 words of legalese to which you agree before buying don’t answer that question (an oversight? I doubt it). Copyright owners have consistently argued in court that many digital products (even physical “promo” CDs!) are “licensed,” not “owned,” and therefore you’re not entitled to resell them or give them away. (And the Amazon MP3 Store terms of service are even worse for consumers than iTunes — those terms specifically purport to strip you of “ownership” and forbid any “redistribution.”)

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009
12. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

Tasers Are the New Killers: Watch Their Popularity Surge!

It would be preposterous at this point for anyone with access to the news media to claim that Tasers are the safe policing tools they are marketed as. Yet Taser International, the corporation that makes them, continues to market this dangerous — and lucrative — myth. On March 31, the company’s latest Taser model — called the Shockwave — hit the market; according to Taser International website, it “allows for both increased safety and stand-off capability during hostile situations, minimizing risk with a stand-off distance of up to 100 meters.” But as Dalia Hashad, director of Amnesty International’s USA Program focusing on domestic human rights, wrote about the product last fall, the Shockwave “belongs in my ‘You’ve Got to Be Kidding’ file along with Taser International’s leopard-print MP3 player that doubles as a taser and their employment of Playboy Bunnies for promotion.” The company’s literature shows it to be a powerful crowd-control weapon:

“With the push of a button at a stand-off distance of up to 100 meters, the Shockwave unit deploys multiple standard TASER® cartridges that are oriented across an area arc. Full area coverage is provided to instantaneously incapacitate multiple personnel within that region.”

“Development of weapons that allow police to tase en mass is not good news,” says Hashad. ” … Would you be willing to go to a protest knowing that police on the scene were armed with Taser Shockwave? I wouldn’t bring my daughter, which means that I might have to stay home. Maybe that’s the point.”

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

Scahill is all over the place: Why Is the Center for American Progress Cavorting with Neocons? Oh, Right, Because They Are on the Same Team

The Center for American Progress, which was founded by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta in 2003, masqueraded as a “progressive,” semi-anti-war organization through the dark years of the Bush administration when it required little political courage to oppose the White House and wars that were portrayed as Bush’s or the Republicans’. While feigning opposition to the Iraq war, CAP refused to confront Democrats over their continued funding of that war. After Obama’s election, Podesta, of course, headed the transition team, which swiftly appointed hawkish Democrats from the Clinton era, kept on Robert Gates and other Republicans, sidelined progressives and in doing so won praise from neocons and other Republicans. Now that “their” guys—big “D” Democrats—are back in power, CAP has assumed its rightful place as a partisan front group for the Democratic Party’s power structure and for selling Obama’s wars to “progressives.”

As John Stauber, head of the Center for Media and Democracy, has pointed out, CAP “strongly supports Barack Obama’s escalation of the US wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” This week, CAP is officially unveiling its manifesto in support of Obama’s aggression against Afghanistan—a report called “Sustainable Security in Afghanistan: Crafting an Effective and Responsible Strategy for the Forgotten Front.” CAP uses the language of Empire—US interests, US national power— in describing its report, saying it is “the product of the Center’s review of U.S interests, goals, and strategy in Afghanistan and the region. Bearing in mind the vital U.S interests in the country and South Asia, the report concludes that the United States must attempt to build a national representative government that is able to govern, defend, and sustain itself. The report argues that reaching the ultimate objective of a resilient Afghan state will require a comprehensive and long-term approach that uses all elements of U.S national power.”

marisacat - 2 April 2009

yes and watch for all the so called progressives in congress to have much less coverage and to say less over all. Most particularly about WAR! Sorry Barbara Lee (even as new head of the useless and corrupt CBC) and Woolsey and so on. Hope you enjoyed the coverage while Bush was in.

I doubt they mind. Despite politico running some “scare” piece that they are so noisy that Van Hollen had to tell them and other opgs to step back. LOL.

There will be a little, some, opposition to the BushObama Wars.. but not much.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

war is America’s bizness, and bizness is good.

14. catnip - 2 April 2009


Thanks for the link to that Huxley interview. Very interesting.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009
Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009
catnip - 2 April 2009

Yup. That was great.

16. marisacat - 2 April 2009

hmmm via Clusterstock:

We told you this was coming.

FT has learned that the major US banks, Citigroup (C), Goldman Sachs (GS), Morgan Stanley (MS) and JP Morgan (JPM) are all interested in buying toxic assets from one another, using the massive leverage provided by Tim Geithner’s public private investment partnership.

This was a possibility folks saw coming from the first day, and amazingly, Sheila Bair has said she’s open to this kind of money laundering.

And let’s be honest, that’s exactly what it is. Banks buying assets from each other to inflate their books has nothing to do with “price discovery” or any such nonsense.

It’s all about using taxpayer money to create bids that are higher than what the market currently prices those assets at. And if it turns out those bids were too high and the cash flows never materialize then, oh well, it’s the taxpayer left holding the bag.

17. marisacat - 2 April 2009


via John Caruso at Tiny Revolution.. as quoted in the NYT:

“You and I have a lot in common,” Mr. Obama said, according to Mr. Netanyahu’s account. “I started on the left and moved to the center. You started on the right and moved to the center. We are both pragmatists who like to get things done.”

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

“and we both like bathing in the blood of murdered women and children.”

marisacat - 2 April 2009

have to love the easy squeeeeesy fella

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2009

this fall they can join some of the folks from Siderot with some lawn chairs up on that bluff, enjoy some drinks and barbecued Gaza.

18. marisacat - 2 April 2009

hmm FT

Gordon Brown, UK prime minister, host of the summit, said the meeting marked the emergence of a “new world order”, as he unveiled what leaders claimed was a $1,100bn package of measures to tackle the global downturn, including support for lower income countries and a $250bn plan to boost the international money supply.

Close inspection showed that some of the $1,100bn pledged included reannouncements and half-done deals. However, even before the summit ended, equity markets rose sharply around the world amid hopes that the global economy was stabilising. …

Hope and change. Forever more……………………………

19. marisacat - 2 April 2009

Carry on!

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Senate Votes 55-43 to Approve Democrats’ $3.5 Trillion 2010 Budget Plan [11:59 PM EST]

20. marisacat - 3 April 2009

hmm not a critter that’s a candidate for photo display at the top of a thread.

[I]nitially, aquarium workers weren’t sure what was harming the coral, which in some cases was cut in half. After weeks with no clues, they decided to take the display apart to see if they could find the culprit, the Mail reported.

Workers laid bait traps, which were mysteriously destroyed in the night, as the glutton apparently devoured the fish hooks right along with the bait. Finally, staffers spotted the tropical worm, which bit through a 20-pound fishing line before staffers were able to successfully remove it from the tank. …

Slater said he suspects Barry arrived as a baby in a shipment from another aquarium. The worm now lives in his own tank.

21. catnip - 3 April 2009

UN appoints Gaza war-crimes team

The UN has appointed South African judge and former war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone to lead a fact-finding mission to the Gaza Strip.

Mr Goldstone will investigate alleged violations of international law during the recent conflict between Israel and Palestinian militants.

Martin Uhomoibhi, president of the UN Human Rights Council, said the mission would be independent and impartial.

And guess who just decided to join the Human Rights Council: the US.

Wake me up if these crimes actually make it to the ICC. Israel has ignored so many UN resolutions that it ought to have a spot in the Guinness Book of World Records.

22. catnip - 3 April 2009

Either Sarkozy’s hair was on fire or his head was exploding.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

My fingers are crossed. My prayers are in the basket for “exploding”.

But… the media told me the fashion face off of Michelle and Carla is the big deal. He felt left out I guess. So, PYROTECHNICS.

catnip - 3 April 2009

My prayers are in the basket for “exploding”.

lol…at least we wouldn’t have to clean up the mess.

23. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Reports of 4 Shot in Binghamton, N.Y.; Possible Fatalities, Hostage Situation [12:42 p.m. ET]

marisacat - 3 April 2009

The update on the news is that there are “double digit” victims. They used ”victim” rather than hostage.

hmmm. Some have come out, however.

Still not really awake will hunt for a news report in a bit…

24. catnip - 3 April 2009
marisacat - 3 April 2009

thanks for that.. just managed to made the coffee…


marisacat - 3 April 2009

oops catnip… sarko pic again! It really is funny too! But I see he got attention, so it worked… 😆

25. NYCO - 3 April 2009

40. Shit.

This is bizarre. Binghamton is truly the dullest city in the world. (I say that affectionately) First the Invisible Flood in 2006 and now this.

26. NYCO - 3 April 2009

40. One report said it was an “Asian” man in a green jacket, another said that the shooter opened fire during a citizenship test.

The only background I can provide, is that all of these little Upstate cities (like so many around the country) have modest but growing immigrant refugee populations: largest groups are Dinka, Bosnian, Somali and Karen, and some from Nepal.

I would be very surprised if this were anti-immigrant violence. The refugees in this part of the country are not overwhelming the system… turns out these old Rust Belt cities can absorb them pretty well. Usually you don’t see anti-immigrant violence unless there’s swelling population pressure.

catnip - 3 April 2009

Hmmm…since CNN reported that he might be Asian and that it happened during a test, my first thought wasn’t anti-immigrant violence. I thought perhaps the gunman was someone frustrated by the immigration system.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

thanks for the inputs NYCO…

aside from tuning into mass killings, Binghamton caught my eye… part of my Mother’s family is from there… (no longer tho)

27. NYCO - 3 April 2009

47. Yes, that was my thought as well. It’s not as if refugees sometimes don’t have mental issues either, understandably.

“God Grew Tired of Us” (doc about the Lost Boys) was partly filmed in Syracuse. That’s a happy story, but every once in a while you hear about a refugee who has mentally lost it. One sad story was of a Dinka man who came to Syracuse, could not adjust, could not get past his war trauma, and wound up somehow stranded in Mexico with no papers.

catnip - 3 April 2009

I get frustrated when people talk about “immigrants” as if they’re one monolithic group who should be able to assimilate immediately based on the ridiculous notion that they all grew up in apple pie and happy days neighbourhoods. So many come from major trauma. Support is so vital for people who come from war, torture and countries with repressive regimes.

28. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

As Many as 12 People Shot in Binghamton, N.Y.; Multiple Fatalities, Hostage Situation [12:48 p.m. ET]

marisacat - 3 April 2009



A gunman killed as many as 13 people and took up to 40 people hostage at an upstate New York immigrant counselling centre this morning.

Police sources, speaking on background, said as many as 12 or 13 people had been killed, according to a reporter with WNBF radio, who described the gunman as being of Asian descent, and in his 20s. Between 20 and 40 people were held hostage, and some hostages have been released.

At about 10.30am local time, a gunman parked a vehicle at the rear of the American Civic Association building in Binghamton, New York, blocking the door. He entered the building and opened fire on people assembled for English classes, citizenship counselling and other services.

Heavily armed local, county and state police were surrounding the building in Binghamton, a city of about 45,000 people, roughly three hours north of New York City, and an FBI hostage team was on route to the scene. It is home to a large campus of the state University of New York.

29. NYCO - 3 April 2009

According to the local paper, at least 26 people inside the building are alive.

Both hospitals postponed all elective surgeries and called in extra personnel to staff their emergency rooms. According to police reports, more than 40 hostages were in the building — 15 in a closet and 26 in the boiler room. Sharp shooters from the Binghamton SWAT team were poised outside the building at 131 Front Street. The Endicott police bomb squad is also at the scene. Scanner reports just before 1:30 p.m. indicate that police were asking 26 people in the Civic Association to lie on the floor with the hands above their heads.

Just the words “Endicott bomb squad” are surreal. Endicott has a bomb squad?!

marisacat - 3 April 2009

anti terrorist money would be my guess.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2009
30. NYCO - 3 April 2009

Good God… ABC reported 13 dead, 26 wounded? That has to be wrong. I HOPE it is wrong.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

”13 dead” is popping up all over… Even an ABC email called it “double digit victims” some time ago…

31. NYCO - 3 April 2009

57. “13 dead” sounds sickeningly close to the “15 hostages in a closet” figure I heard earlier.

32. NYCO - 3 April 2009

From NYT…

Updated | 1:45 p.m.
A cheer has gone up among the crowd outside the building, suggesting the hostage stand-off may be coming to an end.

Updated | 1:43 p.m.
It appears that the hostages have been freed, and you can see family members running toward the building.

Updated | 1:42 p.m.
A local TV reporter is talking to two witnesses who say that two Asian men were taken out of the building, both handcuffed.

Wondering if that was some on the spot racial profiling.

33. catnip - 3 April 2009

A CNN reporter said that testing doesn’t happen at that facility – just classes.

Regardless…this is incredibly sad.

NYCO - 3 April 2009

sorry to be posting so much about this, but this breaks my heart. These small cities down in the Southern Tier have next to nothing. The jobs are all gone, about the only stable industry is higher ed, it’s been depressed for 25 years or more. Binghamton was devastated by a major flood in June of ’06.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

it’s not too much NYCO….

and all the different reports.. one says apprehended… one says two Asians led otu in handcuffs… I am assuming that was an assumption based on race.

and so on. CBS news now also says the gunman killed himself…

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2009

we appreciate the local reports. Please don’t stop if filling us in on the details that reporters w/ satellite trucks don’t bother with.

34. NYCO - 3 April 2009

According to ABC, the shooter committed suicide.

35. catnip - 3 April 2009

CNN had a statement from the NY gov and they’re now talking to the congressman – both of whom aren’t clear that this is over yet.

36. catnip - 3 April 2009

Congressman: “we are not clear because we’re in Albany”.

Hello? Ever heard of a phone?

marisacat - 3 April 2009

Don’t worry one whole report was of a R leaving Albany to be in Binghamton.

Photo op I would guess. (Not limited to R either)

37. NYCO - 3 April 2009

63. I can’t really say I blame the cops for any split-second racial profiling. A supposedly Asian shooter at large, dead people, wounded people, hostage situation, a building full of people who can’t speak English well or at all. If I saw two Asian guys who were being slow to follow instructions I guess I would have cuffed them and dragged them outside too. Better than shooting them.

They were looking for Vietnamese translators. Wondering if every white person in Binghamton who spoke Vietnamese was tied up in the hostage situation…

marisacat - 3 April 2009

soem reports say more than the two were handcuffed.. and also most were told to raise their hands above their heads, even as on the floor.

No I don’t blame the cops here in this eihter. Profiling imo is when there is NO reason whatsoever. Drving ro shopping etc., while black/brown, etc.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2009

from what I understand it is standard procedure in hostage standoffs to treat everyone as a potential attacker trying to sneak out.

38. NYCO - 3 April 2009

On a totally different note (sorry, hope this wasn’t already noted)… If you’re an uppity woman in Saudi you get flogged — but if you’re an uppity woman in Israel, you get erased.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

fundies everywhere.

As for the new laws in Afghanistan, last I read, State Dept headed by the great feminist, Hillary, ahd “no comment”.

39. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Take that you fucking foreign cheese eating surrender monkeys.

“But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that can be casual but can also be insidious,” he said. “Let me say this as clearly as I can: America is changing. But it cannot be America alone that changes.”

Ob and Ax and Rahm and Biden might have to be happy with the NATO deal with France. As de Gaulle twirls in his grave.

he got off a few others… some remarks that at the G20 other attendees kept “wedging it in” that we are responsible for the world collapse. But we insist we are The Dear lLeader… so……?

Oh but he was sold as such an accomplished Internationalist.

40. catnip - 3 April 2009

I’m glad you’re here, NYCO. If there was one thing I knew I could count on, it was that one or more of you New Yorkers would pop in with more local info and I’m grateful for that.

41. diane - 3 April 2009

Jeez..what to say about the latest catastrophe…the hideous thing is..all of these shootings will be used to further put the thumb on the citizenry, despite the fact that the Big Thumbs willfully and with malice (at the very least with a profound disregard for humanity), created the backdrop for the scenario…

Pfizer, our too big, too fail and ever growing ppharma pfreind

”Pfizer Inc. appears to have reached a general agreement with the Nigerian state of Kano to settle charges that the company illegally tested the experimental drug Trovan on gravely ill children during a 1996 meningitis epidemic in Nigeria. Eleven children died in the now-infamous clinical trial and others were permanently disabled.

A company of a reasonable size, (most of which have now been eaten up by lampreys), would have been immediately put out of business.

Imagine Pfizer doing that to the children of our DC masters. Imagine the children of our DC masters mining for coltron for Obama’s latest, must have, toxic, techno wizardry gizmo…………….

Of course the US has far larger concerns, than monstrous companies so large and powerful, no matter what atrocity they commit (obscene extortion of the public funds, massive pilfering of retirement accounts, gang rapes of their own employees…..soldiers being electrocuted in showers). Look, over there…at Al Qaeda threatening:

“I think that it is important for Europe to understand that even though I’m now president and George Bush is no longer president, al Qaeda is still a threat and that we cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president suddenly everything’s going to be OK,” he said.

(well must say, you got part of that right Jesama)

….And then there are those profound philosophical issues that take precedent, such as the proper touching etiquette amongst our Royalty………or whether our betters have a right to anonymity in their personal lives, when they think nothing of violating the privacy of the world at large..including battered women’s shelters:

Street View has sparked concern elsewhere as well. In the United States, Google removed images of shelters for battered women.

How many images are still up that folks don’t have a clue exist, and should not be required to go online, whether they own a computer or not, to determine their privacy has been robbed from them? By a company whose co-founders actual addresses can only be alluded to, with no pics? By a company whose cofounder has the resources to maintain his anonymity by buying up a huge block of a neighborhood, and then tearing down many of the remaining houses, via the anonymity of LLCs:

Google co-founder Larry Page’s plans for a 5,900-square-foot contemporary house in leafy Palo Alto has stirred a ripple of anxiety among neighbors.

Page lives in a historic home, with an assessed value of $7.2 million as of July 2008, on a cul-de-sac in one of the city’s nicest areas, just a block from fellow billionaire and Apple CEO Steve Jobs. It’s an old Palo Alto neighborhood [where the fuck’s the pic and address? Ohhhhhhh…I see>] that appreciates its privacy, but Page’s plans for an eco-friendly property have shone a spotlight on it.

Page added to his property by buying lots on an adjacent street and demolishing the buildings there. He now owns four lots, all of them through limited liability corporations, with a total assessed value — including his home — of $15.2 million. He hasn’t yet filed plans with the city for the new house.

While folks at this time may not have much sympathy for wealthy people not wanting Google taking pics of their homes, the wealthy are not the only one’s whose privacy has been violated on a massive scale, in fact, it has primarily been the unrepresented, such as women with outstanding restraining orders on some batterer…the poor and the elderly. Our dear Masters likely just text messaged surge A and page to opt out of the glass walled ant farm experiment…….

My mom, in her eighties – computerless, doesn’t want one, shouldn’t be forced to have one – has been haunted by some married asshole she went to high school with, (and broke up with after briefly dating), who appears to be quite well off, unlike my mom, and must have gotten her address via someone at a high school reunion. He described in detail what her home and surrounding living area looks like, and won’t let up on it, wants to renew the relationship.

Some used to called a situation like that predatory psychological abuse against the helpless and unrepresented, now we appear to glorify it and pursue it.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

”Pfizer Inc. appears to have reached a general agreement with the Nigerian state of Kano to settle charges that the company illegally tested the experimental drug Trovan on gravely ill children during a 1996 meningitis epidemic in Nigeria. Eleven children died in the now-infamous clinical trial and others were permanently disabled.

oh noes… but we send our best our brightest our RICHEST NGOs to Ahfreeekah. Just to help. we are all Karen Blixen by way of Meryl Streep…. really we are!

That report must be wrong. We only help. Only help. All we do. Is Help.

Easy to understand why Medecins sans Frontieres do not co-habit with the big orgs nor do they co-habit with the governments… one of the very very few.

Guns butter and Big Pharma Drug trials.. adn then Gates and Buffet and Save the Chirren and Mercy Corps, various and sundry rreligionists… and and and and and comes in to hold hands. Bono holds a concert… Madonna grabs a kid.

God’s in his heaven all’s right with the world.

catnip - 3 April 2009

“I think that it is important for Europe to understand that even though I’m now president and George Bush is no longer president, al Qaeda is still a threat and that we cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president suddenly everything’s going to be OK,” he said.

He’s a condescending little shit, isn’t he?

marisacat - 3 April 2009

he’s on a roll… He and the missus have been declared royalty. I think they took that very seriously… hands in prayer and humility at bay.

However, Europeans, way too many of them, still read papers and read full text of speeches.

42. diane - 3 April 2009

75 Marisa

yup…..and couldn’t we at least have the pleasure to see Monsieur Predator’s (hmm well okay…everyone pick a predator) head splode…if we must finally come to grip with the fact that the victims are actually the terrorists after all……….

[yes I refuse to add the new definition of nesting to my already overloaded parameciuamic halogram….oooooooh naughty bot???? I am…let’s go ask little billy PAGE goat whether to pull my circuits out]

marisacat - 3 April 2009

sorry I was gone for a while diane…. and i think one of yours was stuck in Moderation.

First I was trying to clear the drain from the washer… whew.. that required acrobatics I am nto capable of… then I had a terrible time logging onto the computer… finally got the AOL acrobatics to kick in.



43. NYCO - 3 April 2009

Binghamton is the chief city of the Southern Tier region in New York, which is historically and culturally somewhat more tied to Pennsylvania than the rest of the state. Not much there any more except IBM and a large but well regarded SUNY campus. There are some agonizingly poor rural areas nearby. Lots of hunters, and they do like their guns. But the gun stuff isn’t mixed up with church stuff, and this is true throughout upstate NY. (Frankly, I’ve always found rural upstate Bible-thumpers to be almost creepily more reminiscent of “American Gothic” than the usual God-and-guns breed. You know, the dad, the daughter and the pitchfork…)

I will be interested to learn more about the exact immigrant population of Binghamton because I’ve found that where they come from does subtly matter. Vietnamese immigrants in Upstate, they’re around, but my impression was that they never really melted in in quite the same way as some of the other more recent refugee populations. The Bosnians, for example, who are something like 1/5th of the city of Utica these days – being Europeans, they have assimilated very well, stand for elections and buy homes and so on. And have built a couple of mosques, one of them in an old church, which didn’t seem to disturb Uticans too much (Utica used to be major stopover for immigrants en route from Ellis Island and many of them just never left).

I don’t know who the shooter was or what his crazy motive was. I’m hoping he wasn’t white because that would reveal something vastly uglier than I thought we were capable of here. The shooter supposedly had a house and a car; he reportedly backed up his car against the door of the center deliberately so people could not escape. That is very cold blooded. But if Vietnamese I could see someone being that well established in the area yet alienated enough to do it. I remember a few years ago, a Vietnamese immigrant man killed his young sons here… and I was appalled at the lack of outreach from the wider community to the boys’ mother. It was like these people were invisible… and yet today, the Dinka and Nepalese refugees get lots of attention in the community.

Waiting to learn more.

44. NYCO - 3 April 2009

Shooter has been identified as Jiverly Voong aka Linh Phat Voong, age 41, according to ABC News.

45. diane - 3 April 2009

Makes sense to me about the Pennsylvania connection…..a vortex……of silent, yet old and deadly power, on the backs of the populace…….paying in only a paltry 3+% in state income taxes……yearly…

46. NYCO - 3 April 2009

80. Yes, there is a certain cultural change – not huge – down there in the foothills of the foothills of the Appalachians. (That part of New York, technically, is part of some federal definition of Appalachia.) It had to do with settlement patterns: settlers in the middle of New York, the whole Albany-to-Buffalo corridor, came from New England mostly, while there was another push that came up from Philadelphia through Binghamton and up to Rochester. Some awful corporate depradations in that area; you’ve heard of Love Canal in Buffalo, probably, but not about what IBM did to the Endicott area. Everyone’s got toxin-venting pipes in their front yards there now.

And now the Marcellus Shale and hydrofracking. All over the Southern Tier. Environmental disaster in the offing. It never stops.

But despite the guns and the poverty and the garden variety rural redneck bigotry… it would have been surreal beyond belief if some white guy had gone and shot up the place. That sort of organized anger just isn’t here. Not because “we’re special” but because there just isn’t the money being thrown around here to make anyone feel jealous rage. Everyone’s doing poorly. That is one good side effect of being in economic deep freeze for decades: The megachurches don’t come and set up shop, and any Klansmen stay poor, and are probably half addled with meth anyway. There’s no such thing as an organized political religious right around here. They follow the money. Ain’t none here.

NYCO - 3 April 2009

81. Oh, and one last thing about the money: New York State social services, for all its dysfunction and bloated waste and graft and fraud, probably still keeps the megachurches at bay.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

I know what you mean.. CA social services used to perform that function as well… but years of being degraded and then massively under Arnold.. and even more so now under “we are all poor” sort of thing….

Also a vague sort of Prosperity Preach (Warren and others) caught on well here in “good times” in churches of all colors and leanings. And they jsut twist the message for poor times.

people I think are surprised how much fringe organsied religionism is in CA… we have a LOT.. and sadly they all condensed and found each other in the whole SSM Prop 8 scenario.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

hmm some aspects of what you write…

Some awful corporate depradations in that area; you’ve heard of Love Canal in Buffalo, probably, but not about what IBM did to the Endicott area. Everyone’s got toxin-venting pipes in their front yards there now.

Tell me that upstate, parts of it, have been turned into sacrifice land. Like Southern Appalachia.

At least that is how I see it.

47. diane - 3 April 2009


Everyone’s doing poorly. That is one good side effect of being in economic deep freeze for decades: The megachurches don’t come and set up shop, and any Klansmen stay poor, and are probably half addled with meth anyway. There’s no such thing as an organized political religious right around here. They follow the money. Ain’t none here.

yup…so easy to blame rage on presumed dumb oakies…miners…hunters whatever….when the backdrop is the misery spawned generally by a small number of softspoken, articulate folk whose only rages come when they want to off a tiresome playtoy mistress or spouse or bed with thier child…(yup…it’s not just the sout w/the incest thang………it amused me…but didn’t shock some time ago to discover that Santa Clara County Cali had the highest rate of incest in the nation..while also holding the award for having some of the wealthiest citizens in the nation….well uhhhh yeah…not just the sout……wealthy techno nerds can do it too ya’ll!).

Not to say everyone wealthy is fucked up, in case I have to qualify that, but fact is, as a group…they have worshiped and enabled to do untold damage via their control over the economy and legislative, executive and judicial political systems, with absolutely no consequence…………….

48. catnip - 3 April 2009

Bill Lets Moms-To-Be Kill To Save Baby

That gives “Baby on Board” a whole new meaning.

49. diane - 3 April 2009

83 (currently)

they have worshiped should be they are worshiped

50. catnip - 3 April 2009
51. diane - 3 April 2009

76 catnip

He’s a condescending little shit, isn’t he?

really……that blew me the fuck away…if it wasn’t due to pfizerization at the hands of the silverback Rahm, cuz of Ganswein,…..well I really don’t have much of a clusie what to say………….

52. diane - 3 April 2009

78 Marisa

it wasn’t stuck long ..and you shouldn’t be the one to have to feel bad about it….somehow along the way, a lifestyle has been imposed for all of us that makes us feel awful over things we have absolutely no control over…

Conversations were never so filled with minefields as they are over the spider web……

[yes that isn’t necessarily an objective opinion….I’m no techno fan…….again the watercolor analogy (gelatin prints?) and acoustic instrument anologies come to my mind…and no plugs can be pulled..nor satellites put out of commission, that can frightengly easily put an, perhaps desired by the powers that be, end to those endeavors….UNLESS WE GIVE THEM UP]

53. NYCO - 3 April 2009

I see ABC, after spelling it correctly all afternoon, has reverted to the time honored misspelling of “Binghampton.” Yes, that would be the “Least Expensive Hampton.”

54. diane - 3 April 2009

77 Marisa

Well I don’t know …I read the papers at least five days a weekand think we’ll really all regret it when they’re gone…despite the miserable condition they are in, their online versions are still where the bulk of blog news is coming from; with the exception that things are vanished from site easily on the nets…when you have the paper version you have historic proof of the lie…further……with the paper version you aren’t required to know an event happened before you’re able to read about it……..on the web generally, folks have to know of an event to search out articles pertaining to that event…..most particularily, the local events that are NEVER headlined on the web unless it’s something “snark worthy” everyone loves other’s misery pertinent.

marisacat - 3 April 2009

hmm by “way too many of them” I was being sarcastic. People actively read the press… pay attention to what is said… and frankly from BBC his reception in Strasbourg was a more muted event than US press blares it to be.

But! we sent our only begotten son abroad and we insist he is loved. He is there after all to forgive their sins and admit we sinned, but very little. And they must repent, etc.

That said, the Chron for one reveled for decades in being a shitty paper. Their typos alone were epic. Major advertisers always got huge end of year discounts by chronicling (I mean documenting) and suing for refunds based on errors in ads that ran for days. It was pathetic.

I lvoed newspapers all my life.. I am not happy that a TOOL is replacing print press… but print press shot and shot and shot itself.. in the foot in the elbow in the wrist and, for some of them, finally in the heart. I really regret it.

I never bought into “green washing” giberish… after all I live in the land of enthusiastic embrace of [cough strangle choke] carbon credits. Most of the front people are very wealthy.. its a game, most of it. But Green is sold as a major compoenet of the “recovery”. Sad that too much of it is a game.

But not news, that games run us.

55. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Well BBC had a much chiller coverage of the Strasbourg appearance. He was also brought to a small backed up against a building “cheering crowd” in the city, small orchestra to the side… … and the camera pans from the BBC at the “rally” showed what were called ”French and German students” as much more restrained.

Somewhere will love him enough, I guess.

FWIW (and looks very partial):

Face the Nation: Treasury Secretary Geithner.

Meet the Press: GM’s Henderson. Roundtable with BBC’s Katty Kay, Joshua Cooper Ramo.

Fox News Sunday: Axelrod, Gingrich, Gov. Sanford, Rep. Wasserman Schultz.

This Week: Roundable with George Will, CNN’s Amanpour.

State of the Union: GM’s Henderson, former GE CEO Jack Welch, Sens. Corker, Stabenow.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2009

I love that the BBC almost always manages a shot or two giving the “crowds” some context at political events.

56. diane - 3 April 2009

94 (currently)

…just thinking about pinche tejano’s idiotic “dead trees” media sentiment in the last few days………well uhhhhh okay………ya wanna know how many emails, and internet articles are printed on not pulp, but highly refined techo biz paper, from private cheap home computers with toxic printer cartridges wasting away, along with the cheap faulty printers….sucking up water for energy, in waterless regions, in ghetto neighboring dumps….the biz docs of GREEN HIGH TECH companies are printed and tossed in the trash by the gazillions a day due to a faulty MS XP “page setup”……..oh yes and LOL…….jeeez

57. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Hearing that that he shot at Reception first, then went to a room where the citizenship test was being administered.

58. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Very interesting woman on TNH on long term unemployed.. will fish up the transcript and post it in the next thread.

59. diane - 3 April 2009

96 (currently)

further…..If there was ever a major cause for the exponential proliferation of tree killing…and sucking up of water for energy…it was the High Tech Industry…how fucking typical that its main corporate supporters and politicians lay the claim that High Tech is GREEN…I’m recalling a study (was it Boise Cascade) a few years back that noted their industry absoluted flourished with the advent of “paperless offices”……………how ironic that newspaper readers, many likely without home printers, are now supposedly the assholes in the house for “killing trees”…………………

Reminds me of all those Greener than though, type A corporate bike riders taking the well groomed bike pathes from their exclusive neighborhoods to work…unless it’s raining…whereupon their wives pick them up in one of the Lexus SUVs from their 1 acre driveways.

Sorry for beating a dead horse…but …oh well……………………..I’m out……….

60. NYCO - 3 April 2009

Nice short article on Bingo.

Being brought to a national stage like this, under such horrible circumstances, is devastating. Not only do “things like this” not happen in Binghamton, but additional layers — economic duress, the immigrant aid center where it happened — make it all the more sharp.

We have long been the destination of swaths of migrant populations: in the early 1900s, it was Eastern Europeans, and the Orthodox churches’ gold onion domes still dot the city landscape when you drive out along Route 17. More recently, it’s been populations of folk from a number of countries in Southeast Asia: Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotian and more. Not to say that there hasn’t been difficulty in transitioning populations, especially for a place with largely conservative values, but I always had the feeling that Binghamton prided itself on its immigrant foundations and offerings.

I never understood why people in the rest of the country think upstate NY is some sort of backwater that has no relationship with “diversity” when this entire state was crawling with immigrants and runaway slaves for 150 years. Serving newcomers and transient populations is part of the cultural memory even in the smaller more conservative towns.

Offerings. IBM was in many ways the responsible party for Binghamton’s survival for a lot of years, and when they left town, so did most of everything else. Now we’re learning that the shooter was recently laid off from one of the last vestiges of IBM. Economic distress might have been the thing that flipped this guy’s sanity over to the dark side. And now people are dead.

61. NYCO - 3 April 2009

BTW, as information continues to come out, I think the early reporting on this reached almost perfect heights of inaccuracy:

–reports of “13 dead, 26 injured” – I had expressed surprise at this, not at the number of dead so much as the alleged number of injured, which defied belief. Actual number: 14 dead (currently), 4 injured. Which makes more sense in the context of automatic weapons…

–a “hostage situation” with “40 hostages” then “26 hostages” when in fact no one in the building except the 4 living victims even saw the shooter. People hiding in a basement — and being asked to stay there by police — are not “hostages.”

–The shooter’s name, which as of right now is still in question; the last name is Wong, not Voong.

–Shooter not laid off from IBM, in fact apparently having nothing to do with IBM: some poor schmuck with a similar name works at IBM, though (and was not laid off) so some big backpedaling going on now.

–As I mentioned before, major networks couldn’t even get the damn name of the town right.

All of this subject to change, of course. But it’s pretty pathetic when, in a not insignificant city just 150 miles from New York, the New York Times totally had its pants down (scrambling to find a local TV station to link to), the major networks couldn’t get the story straight, and the much vaunted “crowd sourcing” of Twitter did nothing but throw inaccuracies around the Internet all day (not too many dedicated Twitterers in graying Binghamton I suppose). Instant newsgathering works great in the metropoli, but apparently is still nearly useless in small town U.S.A.

BTW the most surreal moment of coverage came when Twitter passed along a hot link to a college radio station “covering” the tragedy. I tuned in to hear two teenage-sounding girls (hopefully not journalism students at SUNY Binghamton) saying “Ummm… at a moment like this, all you can do is celebrate life. Our next cut is from the Pixies’ second album…” Ah the future of broadcast journalism. We are safe.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2009

I hope they didn’t have the bad taste to play Where is My Mind?.

62. mattes - 3 April 2009

Boohoo…Israel’s super-rich lost 40% of their fortunes in 2009

63. NYCO - 3 April 2009

Worth a read: The letters of Rev. Gerald Fitzgerald.


64. marisacat - 3 April 2009

Gnu post


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