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So.. Fluzilla? 30 April 2009

Posted by marisacat in Border Issues, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Mexico.

Chinese health inspectors wait at the entrance to an AeroMexico aircraft after it landed at Pudong International airport in Shanghai [REUTERS]

From an F William Engdahl piece at Global Research:

[S]ince the outbreak of Swine Flu Panic (not Swine Flu but Swine Flu Panic) sales of Tamiflu, as well as any and every possible drug marketed as flu-related, have exploded. Wall Street firms have rushed to issue ‘buy’ recommendations for the company. ‘Gimme a shot Doc, I don’t care what it is…I don’t wanna die…’

Panic and fear of death was used by the Bush Administration skilfully to promote the Avian Flu fraud. With ominous echoes of the current Swine Flu scare, Avian Flu was traced back to huge chicken factory farms in Thailand and other parts of Asia whose products were shipped across the world. Instead of a serious investigation into the sanitary conditions of those chicken factory farms, the Bush Administration and WHO blamed ‘free-roaming chickens’ on small family farms, a move that had devastating economic consequences to the farmers whose chickens were being raised in the most sanitary natural conditions. Tyson Foods of Arkansas and CG Group of Thailand reportedly smiled all the way to the bank.

Now it remains to be seen if the Obama Administration will use the scare around so-called Swine Flu to repeat the same scenario, this time with ‘flying pigs’ instead of flying birds. Already Mexican authorities have reported that the number of deaths confirmed from so-called Swine Flu is 7, not the 150 or more bandied in the media, and that most other suspected cases were ordinary flu or influenza.

I sure have no clue.  But somewhere in the blither of articles and reports over the past few days, I did read that poor Mexico, now more troubled than ever, had, before this mess, experienced a 40% loss of value for the peso.

Sometimes we seem trapped in a movie (Tower of Destruction!  Fire from Above!  The Earth Engulfs Us!) or a cartoon (Warning of the Day!  It’s not even safe to go to the mailbox on the corner!)… I wish both the movies and the cartoons were better, real, whatever the horror may be….  But we seem stuck.


I get a little on line newsletter on the South and Southern issues… “Facing South”… and they have a tidbit on La Gloria that I had not caught in USA! USA! reporting:

[B]ack in Mexico, residents of La Gloria have long complained about conditions at the Smithfield subsidiary, saying they are bothered by foul odors, flies and problems with water contamination from the massive lagoons where hog waste is stored.

After an outbreak of severe respiratory illness in February, health workers sealed off the town and sprayed chemicals to kill flies that were swarming in people’s homes, the Times U.K. reports…snip…

Carry on…



1. catnip - 30 April 2009


As someone who is immune-compromised, I’m a helluva lot more concerned about the 4,000 CDN deaths each year from the regular flu. I’ve been getting regular flu shots since way back when I used to work with the homeless (and then was dx with lupus) and I haven’t had the flu (although most days I feel like it anyway) but I really don’t understand this panic (except that it sure came in handy during all of that uncomfortable torture/economy going down in flames talk). There’s always a diversion.

And if it’s a new strain, how is Tamiflu supposed to help? (lucid?) And doesn’t Tamiflu have a best before date? Seems to me that the gazillions countries have stockpiled must expire sooner or later.

marisacat - 30 April 2009

From what I have read, Tamiflu is best taken very early at onset, and treats symptoms. And of course Rummy has made a ton. Gah.

I’ve been getting regular flu shots since way back …

See, everyone is different, I avoid flu shots literally like the plague. Never had one. Even when I still worked. Tho I made sure my mother, who was constitutionally more hardy than I have ever been, got one each year. And she never did get flu….

brinn - 30 April 2009

Fuck Tamilflu and all of its greedmongering relatives.

lucid - 30 April 2009

From the wiki:

It acts as a transition-state analogue inhibitor of influenza neuraminidase, preventing progeny virions from emerging from infected cells.

Essentially, it’s supposed to stop the virus from replicating once it’s in a cell… but here’s the problem cutting edge cell biology is starting to view viruses as an important endogenous cell communication mechanism when cells are stressed. Hence stopping the production of virus is potentially dangerous. Side effects include:

Common adverse drug reactions (ADRs) associated with oseltamivir therapy include: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and headache. Rare ADRs include: hepatitis and elevated liver enzymes, rash, allergic reactions including anaphylaxis, and Stevens-Johnson syndrome.[4]

Various other ADRs have been reported in postmarketing surveillance including: toxic epidermal necrolysis, cardiac arrhythmia, seizure, confusion, aggravation of diabetes, and haemorrhagic colitis.

And that’s just from the wiki [notoriously policed by the pharma industry]. I would not be surprised if many people given tamiflu who eventually die are actually killed by the tamiflu itself.

Not nice stuff.

I will never get a flu vaccination. It’s the only vaccination that still includes timerasol – and pretty much all of the research I’ve done on Alzheimer’s points to it being mercury poisoning.

Each individual needs to make their own medical choices though – I just wish the information available to people wasn’t filtered through so many commercial interests.

catnip - 30 April 2009

My dad was a dentist. When I used to hang out in his office as a kid, I used to play with mercury. I’d polish nickels and dimes with it. Really. It’s amazing I haven’t keeled over yet. I have no idea how much I have in my system. I should probably get that checked out but it’s one of those things that I forget about whenever I see my dr.

I do have memory problems but there are definitely other identified causes for those.

2. brinn - 30 April 2009

Greetings from Tejas, where Gov. Goodhair has made a “disaster proclamation” for the entire state…dunno WTF that means exactly, certainly he can’t be making a pitch for federal funds given his blathering these past few weeks….right? right?

Been a while glad to see ya’ll are still here, ‘specially, and of course, Marisa, but also ‘specially, Madman, catnip. lucid….

marisacat - 30 April 2009

Hey hey brinn!

Arnold declared us…….. an emergency I think. So maybe we could send A and Gov GoodHair to the moon? Together? Works for me…….

brinn - 30 April 2009

MCat — me thinks the moon wouldn’t be far enough…somewhere outside the galaxy, perhaps?? Though wouldn’t want to inflict the 2 of ’em only any unsuspecting creatures out thataway either!

lucid - 30 April 2009

Hey Brinn. How’s life down there now that our saviour has come again?

brinn - 30 April 2009

Hiyya, lucid, same ole same ole…so much for the great CHANGE of 08…..

Been lotsa fun and games this year ’cause the Texas Lege is in session, thankfully they seem unable to do too much damage so far…special sessions will be forthcoming though, if my predictions of these things hold true….fun and games while we burn, and hunger and …. yep.

Same ole same ole — made any new music lately??

catnip - 30 April 2009

Hey you! How y’all doin’? Got grits? (The first time I ever had grits was in Dallas. Mmmm…grits…)

brinn - 30 April 2009

Nope, no grits, but hey, check these, my students made ’em:

UT LRA** Launch Cam

** LRA = Longhorn Rocket Association

Transonic Rocket

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Does this mean you’re a rocket surgeon?

(BTW – Had no idea you could embed videos here.)


marisacat - 1 May 2009

(BTW – Had no idea you could embed videos here.)

Neither did I!!

brinn - 2 May 2009

Heh, Mcat — me neither — all I did was include the links and they popped up thataway!

Should I not do that anymore?

brinn - 2 May 2009

Nope, not a rocket surgeon, nor a brain scientist! My students are aerospace engineering majors, I teach ’em to communicate — it’s a sweet gig, they’re hardworking and they teach me all sorts of neato things! 😉

Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

hi brinn! Feliz Cinco de Mayo!!! (and I’m sure that I mangled that as only a gringo can).

brinn - 30 April 2009

MADMAN!! Not well mangled at all — you need to work on your Angloidiocy! 😉

How things your way?

Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009


nothin’ exciting up here … work and crappy weather.

3. BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

{Excuse me. } buh Bubbah bah-Barf :

A New! Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) under Specter.

Unions Mulling Specter Pressure
Thru Dem Challenger

Apr 28 2009, by Marc Ambinder

<{ Suuuuure they are. Going. thru. THE. MOTIONS.}

The same labor unions which hoped to dog Sen. Arlen Specter in his Republican Primary are now thinking about using the money — about $100,000 — to “keep Specter honest” when it comes to the principles of his new party, top Democrats said. {Barf or Laugh- whatever works, people – feel free…} The money might be used to support a Democratic challenger, the Democrats said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Though Specter ruled out voting for cloture on the Employee Free Choice Act, he is now in a position to broker a compromise — a “new EFCA.”

I wish they would just DIE OFF, all these toads in PA.
Some Festering AssHole Flu breakout, taking them, specifically them, OUT…

The union chiefs in PA should be spared tho,
they should just be shot by their members, after all the bosses have stolen from the coffers, all that money under the table to lay down on contracts and elections all these years, all those PA grafters and their $500,000 dollar sportfishing boats and $1 Million Dollar condos at the shore in Jersey…We have plenty of crooks here in Jersey as it is…

So yeh ,
a New! EFCA—(watered down, keep the name, SOooo Predictable)
And Yeh, I blew the part about Specter’s change of Party call. Big Deal.
Specter —> with Pulse —> Re-elected —> with Rendell’s HELP.
The Dem Hacks and the Union milkers putting on a show .

marisacat - 30 April 2009

Pol Flu

The Hacking Flu.


BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

In such an event, mcat , you’d have nothing to worry about.
Extraordinary resistance, you.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

my favorite name for it: the Oink.

Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009
BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

WH Staffer exposed to Da “Oink”

Cue re-write of Passover.
For it shall be RE-written:

“””Wherein Pork was hung from every White House door as a sign.
And God knew–( Wall Street and the DOD)– God knew to spare the humble servants inside.”””

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

Using a blog to find help for a homeless family in San Francisco

Danny sez, “Blogger Julie of TangoBaby was walking past a begging homeless woman, K, and her two kids in San Francisco, agonising about how she couldn’t do anything to help — when she realised she could. She wrote up the story of the family, took photos, and started telling their story on her blog. Now she’s working with her readers to get a fair deal for K in SF’s bureacratic system for handling the homeless in the city, and recording the troubles and opportunities they’re having on the way.”

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

Top Dems rebel on Specter

Several Democrats are furious with Sen. Reid (D-Nev.) for agreeing to let Specter (Pa.) keep his seniority, accrued over more than 28 years as a GOP senator. That agreement would allow Specter to leap past senior Democrats on powerful panels — including the Appropriations and Judiciary committees.

“I won’t be happy if I don’t get to chair something because of Arlen Specter,” said Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), who sits on the Appropriations Committee with Specter and is fifth in seniority among Democrats, behind Chairman Daniel Inouye (Hawaii) and Sens. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), Patrick Leahy (Vt.) and Tom Harkin (Iowa). “I’m happy with the Democratic order, but I don’t want to be displaced because of Arlen Specter,” she said.

Specter’s first full day in Washington after turning the Capitol upside down with his decision to switch parties suggested a lonely future awaits in the upper chamber.

While he received a formal welcome Wednesday to the Democratic Party at the White House from President Obama and Vice President Biden, senior Senate Democrats exchanged phone calls to voice their objections to Reid’s gambit and one lawmaker said Specter should be happy with a committee seat at the “end of the dais.” Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and two other members of the Senate Republican leadership asked Specter to refund campaign donations.

One senior Democratic lawmaker told The Hill that the Democratic Conference will vote against giving the longtime Pennsylvania Republican seniority over lawmakers like Harkin, Mikulski and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) when they hold their organizational meeting after the 2010 election.

Under his deal with Reid, Specter would jump ahead of all but a few Democrats when it comes time to dole out committee chairmanships and assignments.

“That’s his deal and not the caucus’s,” the senior lawmaker said of Reid’s agreement with Specter.

The lawmaker requested anonymity because the issue of Specter’s seniority is “a sensitive subject.” The lawmaker said it would be OK if Specter joined his panel as long as he “sat at the end of the dais” with junior members.

If they were smart, they’d toss Reid out of the leadership position. He sucks at legislative strategy, anyway.

BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

Now watch the fuckin grenade lobbed into the Dem Sen caucus:
The AntiSemitic bastards. LOL.

The professional surrogacy will do that for Arlen.
Not to mention popping the wee ones off the nipple with the campaign cash.

They are so fuckin owned.

7. NYCO - 30 April 2009

Some wild-ass speculation about Le Fleau…

It’s going to be bouncing around the world for some time. In the northern hemisphere, it’s summertime: bad for viruses. However, unless they come up with a vaccine and do some massive push to put everyone to the needle, this flu is surely to crop up again, and more seriously, once fall and winter hit. (Note that Australia and New Zealand seem to have a lot more flu cases under investigation… whether that’s because it’s L’Oink or just garden-variety, it reminds you how winter is flu season.)

Why so many deaths in Mexico and not elsewhere? Obviously it could be because the epidemic went unnoticed for so long, making sick people sicker, but I’ve also seen some speculation that people of mestizo ancestry might be more affected by this particular flu strain (and yes, some Mexicans have been wondering that aloud too) and that it just hasn’t spread far enough into other parts of Latin America or the U.S. for that possibility to be played out.

lucid - 1 May 2009

NYCO – I don’t think this is a ‘flu’… I think a bunch of people got sick in Mexico, for obvious reasons, and some people died, and the WHO is galavanting around the world, as it does, claiming cases elsewhere. They don’t have a ‘test’ for this – they’re just looking at anyone who ‘might be feverish, vomiting and having diarrhea’. To be honest, I would expect that to be a good 5% of the world population on any given day… at the very least.

I mean really – 200 kids at one Queens school got the ‘swine flu’, but about 5% of them tested ‘positive’ for it? If that?

The powers that be are already backing off it… ‘it’s a mild flu – not nearly as dangerous as we thought’….

It’s just people getting sick, for the many and various reasons they get sick… but you know, poisoning a town, and getting away with it… hey, it’s just pandemic flu. It has nothing to do with leaking swamps of animal waste.

marisacat - 1 May 2009

San Francisco now has “one confirmed” case. But i noticed our Public Health Dept worked hard to say, we have a case of the flu… and NOT A HEALTH CRISIS….

lucid - 1 May 2009

Oh noes! It’s breaking in from the outside! It’s gotta be tha damned mexicans!

marisacat - 1 May 2009

HA! It’s plot! Kill us off and take the land back!

8. BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

Souter retiring form Supremes.

Not in the report, but Rendell’s wife will be pushed as successor either to him or RBG. Prolly the first opportunity to get her in there before Obs juice wanes or Cuomo gets any funny ideas about following the mony trail further into the DNC hierarchy..Rendell needs this to happen. in the worst way as does Schumer and Richardson…

From NPR’s report

Now, according to reliable sources he has decided to take the plunge and has informed the White House of his decision.

Souter’s retirement would give President Obama his first appointment to the high court, and most observers expect that he will appoint a woman.

I suspect it will move quickly the name and the confirmation hearings.
Another ‘victory’ . 🙄

NYCO - 30 April 2009

Can’t we just hire these people?

(most perfect Onion story ever written, IMO…)

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

Senate roll call on anti-foreclosure measure

The 45-51 roll call by which the Senate on Thursday defeated a measure that would have given bankruptcy judges authority to reduce the costs and terms of mortgages for homeowners threatened with foreclosure.

On this vote, a “yes” vote was a vote in favor of the measure and a “no” vote was a vote against it. The 45 votes in favor of the measure fell short of the 60 votes needed to add it as an amendment to a broader mortgage bill.

Voting “yes” were 43 Democrats, 0 Republicans and 2 independents.

Voting “no” were 12 Democrats and 39 Republicans.


Lincoln (D) No; Pryor (D) No.


Bennet (D) No;


Carper (D) No;


Landrieu (D) No;


Baucus (D) No; Tester (D) No.


Nelson (D) No.

North Dakota

Dorgan (D) No.


Specter (D) No.

South Dakota

Johnson (D) No;

West Virginia

Byrd (D) No; Rockefeller (D) Not Voting.

Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

Durbin On Congress: The Banks “Own The Place”

DURBIN: And the banks — hard to believe in a time when we’re facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created — are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 April 2009

Howard Stern: We Must Make Gay Marriage Acceptable

“My feeling about gay people is that we have a responsibility not only to make gay marriage acceptable and to make gays feel accepted as much as heterosexuals…Gay people are downtrodden They are beaten. They are abused for their sexuality, and it goes across race. In the white community and the black community gay people are the bastards of the world. And in order for things to change, because any one of you could have gay children, or gay relatives, or gay friends…we have a responsibility to make this acceptable, to get all this bullshit so that some gay kid going to high school doesn’t get the shit beaten out of him just because he’s gay…I’m as heterosexual as they come. What is this hang-up about gay marriage? Who cares? Get on with your life!”

11. BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

On the nominal name on Rendell’s Marriage Certificate,
the Midgeon that Arlen and Ed will push for SC…
That is- 🙄 – If the deal hasn’t been worked out already..

Rendell went to work in the Philadelphia district attorney’s office, then headed by Arlen Specter, now a U.S. senator. His wife joined the Philadelphia law firm of Duane Morris, where she was one of less than a handful of women on the staff.

There, Midge Rendell learned how to be a highly effective bankruptcy attorney, and helped build what was a two-person department at the firm into an operation that soon was handling high-profile bankruptcy cases from across the country.

Uh huh. A Two Person bankruptcy caseload into one of the top national bottom feeders in the country.

Then , Look-See—

So how did Ed’s Midge get through the Clampdown on Clinton Judicial Appointments?

Midge Rendell went on to become a federal trial court judge in 1994 and was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1997 to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a district that hears cases from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware and the Virgin Islands.

“If you look at the whole roster of judges, she stands out,” Adams said. “She’s color on a black-and-white TV.”

A neighbor for decades, Specter pushed Midge Rendell’s appointment through a U.S. Senate that was balking at confirming Clinton nominees.

She later would say “Arlen Specter willed it. ”

They have looted Public Treasuries and Pensions, saddled generations with debt, and privatized, privatized privatized..made serfs of us all in one form or perhaps a slightly more comfortable other…We’ll never get into the Swiss banks with these crooks with the likes of Spector dictating the direction of the Judiciary. Here that fucker who bashed Anita Hill, pushed through Roberts and Alito let’s not forget Scalia, this fucking weasel has the full backing of Change Agent Obama…Most of Obamas pie eyed supporters don’t know a scintilla of the basic misdeeds…

catnip - 30 April 2009

I saw Anderson Cooper and Jeffrey Toobin chatting about the Souter retirement when I was flipping channels – talking about how Obamalama’s going to appoint a “liberal”. Are you kidding me??

marisacat - 30 April 2009

He’d like to nominate a Latina Pentecostal, by my reading… 😈 knows he has to dial that back a bit. It will be some trojan, imo.

catnip - 30 April 2009

But he’s post-ethnic and post-wimmen folk. 😉

He isn’t post-conservative, however.

lucid - 1 May 2009

Fuck the post crap… call it for what it is – he’s an aristocrat.

marisacat - 1 May 2009

I noticed the night that the G20 Leaders dined at No 10 and the female spouses dined separately… the invited entertainment (as I saw it) was the Harry Potter woman of recent “Half Blood Prince” fame… Hilarious. Had an American written such a thing it would be called racist.

Instead the Obs and Harold Fords and Arturs of the political shit, no matter the color, class LOVE it.

The other entertainment was Naomi Campbell in updated (I am not being judgmental -women should wear whatever makes them happy- I AM being judgmental of the hypocrisy of the so called Elites) strumpet dress. High heeled ankle boots, tiny little flared skirt with under petti coat, leather jacket, etc…

Again Naomi should wear what she wants… it’s teh hypocrisy of it all.

lucid - 1 May 2009

And people wonder why I argue that we live in an aristocracy… 🙂

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Just FYI, Marisa – Don’t know if you’ve read the Potter books, but they have a very strong underlying anti-racism, anti-bigotry motif. The title of that one is part of the development of that theme in the series overall.

marisacat - 1 May 2009

oh no I haven’t, once something goes that big, that overwhelming, I am out the door.

12. BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

So much for transparency. More on Rendell’s wife, who will be introduced to the country soon as Marie Osmond.
This is so Midge, speaking at Penn in 2003.
Working “behind the scenes” … but say ANYTHING.

Judge Rendell: To lead, get inside their heads

Described recently by The Philadelphia Inquirer as one of the most powerful women in Philadelphia (along with Rebecca Rimel of the Pew Charitable Trusts and President Judith Rodin), Rendell emphasized her preference for working behind the scenes. She drew on her experiences as one of the first female bankruptcy attorneys in a very traditional law firm and her work on the $250 million Kimmel Center project for her examples.

First, gain their trust

She told the students that first and foremost you must gain the trust of those you want to lead. “You must get inside their head and find out what they need and what they fear,” she explained. Then present a vision and clear steps to achieve it.

In response to a student’s question about the Governor’s leadership style, Rendell said, “We both think like lawyers. We go through the options—bing, bing, bing and make a decision.”

Lawyers my ass.
They’re white collar criminals with law degrees who passed the bar.

Hey Midge.
How bout rammin the “bing bing bing” up your thing thing thing?

To wit,

In 2000, when he was chair of the Democratic National Committee and the Supreme Court had handed down its Bush v. Gore decision, Ed Rendell was roundly criticized for saying Gore should concede. Midge disagreed with the critics: “That was the only logical choice. It just took others longer to understand that.”

Like we need another Rendell Blowjob now…
BTW Rendell wasn’t FER SHIT in PA in 2000 in taking the state for Gore despite Tom Ridge as sitting Gov.

Didn’t. Do. Shit. Rendell and his buds were busy engineering enough votes for a Santorum win so the R’s would go limpdick for him in the PA Guv’s race in 2002. Kept the Philly loot and Philly GOTV bodies to push Santorum: “It’s okay, split your ticket – TRY and vote Gore ~ but go ahead and Vote Santorum.. just give us something , local maybe, when you vote Santorum..” was the marching orders pitch piece to the white goon types working field in and around Philly..A real piece of shit.

Rendell would show up when the cameras were there of course. Amazingly, Gore won in PA in 2000 despite Rendell’s foot dragging penny pinching, and outright backstabbing. If it wasn’t for PA’s proximity as a Swing State to DC and New York, Gore never would have had the kind of activist talent and numbers in field ops that came in for GOTV to eke out a win in the stretch …It got so embarrassing in October that Gores peeps had to eventually DMEAND Rendell go on a retail bus tour with national surrogates lest it become obvious that Rendell, the State’s ranking Dem ( Mayor of Philly/DNC Chair) was nowhere to be found…..

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Appreciate your info and insights on the Philly pols and Pennsylvania story, as well as the NJ scene. It’s durn tricky to track the Big Picture of Amurrica, or even The Geographic Region, when every single state and major city requires specially adapted hip waders, helmet, and antennae just to get the slightest clue.

13. marisacat - 30 April 2009

Sorry! Fell sound as leep and then had trouble logging on… or dialing up or whatever.

Madman out of Moderation .. up at 23 “Top Dems Rebel”… agaisnt the Specter snick.

This could get very entertaining!

I heard the Souter snaggle first thing I woke on some half hour news update… and I see there is already a post on it.

Ginsburg apparently has said (so I read within the pst two weeks), lady tiger that she is, no way no how. She is STAYING.

14. marisacat - 30 April 2009

hmm just catching Bruce Fein on KGO… he will be on with Moyers tomorrow night.

BTW, sounds like he opposes the global mil foot print as well, which I had nto heard from him before.

marisacat - 30 April 2009

wow.. Bruce Fein is a tad agitated. On the Obama sidestepping on torture…

marisacat - 30 April 2009

and he raised Nancy and Jane Harmon and others who used the dodge they were told but told not to say anything… LOL… he reminded that Gravel, 30+ years ago, read sections of the Pentagon Papers (while under legal threat against publishing) into the congressional record.

Fein says you cannot tell a member of congress to shut up. UNLESS they want to.

I hope he is revving up for Moyers tomorrow night..

Madman in the Marketplace - 1 May 2009

oh, and they were so very eager to go along.

Gravel, as much as people like to make fun of him, STILL has more spine than those people.

15. BooHooHooMan - 30 April 2009

And another thing….LOL.

Franken and Colemans case to go before the SC as a co-factor…

Seems like The Lobby will clean up up all this loose change
quite efficiently. As Warring, Welfare and Indulgence carries on.
They’ll clean all this loose change…Loose cannon change, that is..

16. marisacat - 30 April 2009

hmm Mickey Kaus, last entry.

It seems indisputable by now that Ob reads Sully. Outed by a messy use of a mixed-up story. About Churchill.

Sully, who has stated that “no born Englishman” has “ever tortured”… what a muddled mush headed mess he is…

The embedded links at MK are interesting, even the somewhat garbled TimesOnline article on the actual 2006 article, referencing a MI5 camp interrogator who is the genesis for the story, and NOT Churchill… as Ob mangled it.. after Sully mangled it.

[I]n some ways, Stephens is a most unlikely inspiration for the Democratic President. The MI5 officer was extrovert and extremely right-wing. He was also ragingly xenophobic, given to making remarks about “shifty Polish Jews” and “weeping romantic fat Belgians”. He was, in truth, a bit mad.

A brilliant amateur psychologist, Stephens knew that there were far better ways to break a man than pulling out his fingernails: he used every trick to wring information from captured enemy agents, including the very real threat of execution. Some 16 Nazi spies were executed during the war. …snip…

One thing that rings tru in all of this, this mounting shit pile with no one in charge…and Bruce Fein touched on it tongiht on KGO, the reason, a big one of them, that waterboarding was OK’d was the desire to get FALSE, knowingly false information that Saddam was involved in 911.

17. marisacat - 1 May 2009

oh BTW, I finally saw the Condi film from, I guess, today, wehre she is asked about torture by a young male… I noticed she dismissively called him “Dear”. Foreign Policy has vid and home done (I think) transcript.

But watching it, I think Obster has a problem on his hands. She CLEARLY stated a belief in Nixon’s belief. If the president does it is not wrong. She goes beyond, I think, “legal” and “right”.

[I] read a recent report, recently, that said that you did a memo, you were the one who authorized torture to the — I’m sorry, not torture, waterboarding. Is waterboarding torture?

The president instructed us that nothing we would do would be outside of our obligations, legal obligations, under the Convention Against torture. So that’s — and by the way, I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency. That they had policy authorization subject to the Justice Department’s clearance. That’s what I did.

Okay. Is waterboarding torture?

I just said — the United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our obligations under the Convention Against Torture. And so, by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Conventions Against Torture.

Thank you.


Madman in the Marketplace - 1 May 2009

goes to show how much astroturf a law degree and bar membership can be.

catnip - 1 May 2009

IOW, Condi was just following orders? According to Obamalama, she should be granted immunity then too.

18. marisacat - 1 May 2009

Nooz to me.. but IOZ notes that Net Root Nation (or whatever they call the flesh eating conflab of the mental flab) is convening in PITTSBURGH PA.


19. lucid - 1 May 2009

Completely OT and bizarre insight of the night…

Why is it that in historical movies, all women have shaved armpits and legs? I mean, I’m watching Shindler’s List right now. Every woman concentration camp victim remarkably shaves. I’m not entirely sure when that could have happened… being that they were in a concentration camp and all…

I don’t mean to be crass about it, but it is true of pretty much every ‘historical’ Hollywood movie.

A). WTF – total historical disconnect.

B). Why the hell is hair on a woman considered taboo enough to so photoshop history?

marisacat - 1 May 2009

Obviously unsightly body hair causes……….


There is no other answer.

The French just censored an historical poster of one of their great comics… in his character of M Hulot, smoking. It was deemed to be a violation of the bans on smoking ads in the Metro….

Sacre Bleu.

Save me from the Reformers. And the anti-history script docs of propaganda.

lucid - 1 May 2009

ah…yes, I forgot that underarm hair can become ingrown, and cause the armpit lymph nodes to mutate…

I mean seriously, Anglina Jolie, clean as a baby’s bottom in the 5th century bce?

Granted, I have a bit of a hair fetish… but… 🙂

BooHooHooMan - 1 May 2009

Well the REAL problem – fair warning now gang –
when the armpit hairs become ingrown and cause the armpit lymph nodes to mutate…
is it causes the growth of OTHER Arms,
with yet MORE Armpit Hair. All those little wrigglies under your arm waving and all, high five-ing each other etc.
Quite an unmanable piece of business at times, really…
though great for picking someone up at the airport or flagging down a cab….Very effective at Reunions, ythough pretty shocking when People first see it…..

catnip - 1 May 2009

What gets me in historical pieces are the sparkly white teeth.

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Your posts brought to mind a conversation I had with a (young, male, cute, white) Madonna fan in a mailroom (his gig, not mine) llo these decades ago. It truly believe it was the frst time he considered the mythical equities involved in underarm shaving.

If she had persisted in the (apparently, strictly cheeky and/or faddish) protest, the world might have rocked your (and all Western women’s) way, for a change.

20. marisacat - 1 May 2009

On schedule… Lieberman suggests that DiFI would make a great SC judge.

I realise it is not a strict requirement… but she is not an atty, nor did she ever go to Law School…. She was MARRIED to a judge, along the way.

I AM pretty sure she thinks she is an atty and has been a judge. Funny how people in power start to think very odd things.

catnip - 1 May 2009

I caught some SC chatter at dkos last nite and some kossacks were perfectly fine with having someone who’s never been a lawyer. ???

21. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Update to link near end of last thread: State pension kickback probe widens. Cuomo looks at roles of top lobby, legal firms in pay-to-play scheme.

ALBANY — Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said Thursday his office is broadening its state pension fund investigation to explore relationships among lobbying, legal firms and the comptroller’s office.

In announcing a fourth criminal action in his two-year probe of a “scam” involving kickbacks from businesses seeking to manage assets from the massive retirement fund, Cuomo said his investigators have primarily focused on placement agents who garner fat fees from investment firms.

But the first-term Democrat revealed his staff has branched into other areas of potential state corruption, but Cuomo said he would be making an announcement soon about those concerns. They involve lawyers and lobbyists who work on behalf of clients seeking business with the comptroller – the sole trustee in charge of the massive Common Retirement System. The fund has topped $150 billion and now stands at about $122 billion.

BooHooHooMan - 1 May 2009

Thanks IB for your posts on Pension Fund Investigation.
A major story, IMO.
To me it’s far bigger than Watergate in it’s scope, the breadth of the conspiracy, the impugnity with which the crooks persist,, not to mention the poor prospects of undoing the damage. Cuomo said yesterday that it is revealing a
“national network of actors”

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON, April 30 Reuters – New York state’s criminal probe of kickbacks paid to invest its $122 billion state pension fund money has exposed a national network of actors whose schemes are ongoing, state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said on Thursday.

This “national network of actors”…
Christ, somebody JUST SAY IT– It’s the very top of the DNC , the Democratic Governors Association, the DSCC…. Schumer and Rendell, BOTH of their their top bagman under indictment in it, Rendell’s closes ally in the State Sen just got a federal conviction for unrelated kickbacks …..Yet the press is very tepid probing further into the minefield…

Why aren’t they slamming this every day? But it is what it is.
It’s been said of Cuomo that he hopes the press will put some wind behind his sails. What Press? He’s a god damn fool for thinking so. They will only print the incremental press releases he gives them.. HE must make every explicit connection in this or he is going to get his head handed to him.
Obama delivered his Treasury and DOJ right over to the corrupt New York Jews of the Rubin Clinton circle. I don’t give a fuck how it sounds, it’s the fucking truth : Lenny Breuer, the Clinton WH Lawyer/ now Obama’s AAG for the Criminal Division , defacto RUNS the DOJ, is the chokepoint at the DOJ whose job is to block all inquiry into this “national network of actors”. They’ll pinch some small fish and leave the core conspirators in place.
Thus Cuomo is on his own. And The AIPAC case swept under the rug will only embolden the same perps at the core…

The money looted form the Public Pension Funds is one issue. The fact that these political crooks controlled the movement of huge blocks of investments is another. The Trillions , yes, trillions when you add it up these last 30 years…, The Trillions ripped off in market manipulation is, in many ways, the core scandal … the Shooting Wars almost an outgrowth of it rather than vice versa…

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

The sums involved are astronomical, no doubt about it.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

MCat at 43 – once something goes that big, that overwhelming, I am out the door.

I hear ya. Took me 15 years or something to see a Star Wars film (and was only sorry I bothered at all, once I did see it). Likewise with the Lord of the Rings movie series (indescribably tedious, I thought ).

I held off on the Rowling books until there were 3 or 4 in print, but really liked ’em a lot when I got to them. Then took a break for another few years, and just very recently read the last 4 in the series, and rented the movies to date. Was perfect escapist (yet metaphorically layered) fare for the time.

catnip - 1 May 2009

True confessions time? I haven’t read a Harry Potter book either and still haven’t seen a Star Wars movie (even though I have a set here that I borrowed from a friend years ago. I wonder if she wants those back…)

NYCO - 1 May 2009

I’ve never heard the song “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

catnip - 1 May 2009

You’re not missing much. 😉

catnip - 1 May 2009

[insert lucid here]

lucid - 1 May 2009

I actually really love that album. Was 19 when it came out & the lyrics particularly spoke to me – though I think think that is one of the weaker songs on the album.

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

I found out years after the fact that I had won lifelong “cool” cred with a preteen nephew by putting a few tunes from Nevermind on a mix tape I gave him before Nirvana really went big. Apparently he was among the first of his peers “in the know.”

I think it was an Irishman who first tipped me off, oddly enough. I never became a huge fan of the band or anything, but agree that something about the lyrics really seemed to suit the time.

Madman in the Marketplace - 1 May 2009

what are we going to do with these old codgers?

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Age? Or die frist?

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

If your friend doesn’t want the Star Wars set back, see if you can trade it in for some Potter paperbacks.

The baddies alone are worth the bother, and the “good” characters are VERY quirky and imperfect, as well as endearing and humane. Lotsa fun with wordplay, imagery, mystery, and plot reversals.

Suspect you’d enjoy them, herbal one. But I also suspect you’ve heard that before!


marisacat - 1 May 2009

Well I did see the first Star Wars, when it came out… and was so unimpressed. Probably my last (and one of the few)_ “wait in line for it” things…

The next day I stopped in at a bagel place to pick up some … bagels… and the fellow there recognised me from the line the night before and started bubbling over. I accidentally admitted it did nothing for me… and geesh, he almost did not want to give me my bagels.

lucid - 1 May 2009

I grew up wanting to be a Jedi knight.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Also from the Times Union today:

Law enforcement conducting drill on Hudson

Last updated: 10:20 a.m., Friday, May 1, 2009

ALBANY – Don’t be alarmed if you see anything unusual going on on the Hudson River: several law enforcement agencies are conducting an emergency drill.

Photo op with flying monkeys, this time? Mechanical river monsters? time will tell.

catnip - 1 May 2009

Iceberg, dead ahead!

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

LOL. Albany has shut down various streets and key highway exits in the last couple of weeks for filming car chase scenes in an upcoming Angelina Jolie thriller about a rogue CIA agent. Chances are that many people will assume whatever they’re doing in, on, or over the river is all part of the Hollywood fun.

catnip - 1 May 2009

A rogue CIA agent? What – he/she refuses to waterboard somebody?

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

He/she indeed . . . Jolie replaced Tom Cruise as lead character.

She goes undercover to try to “clear her name after she is accused of being a Russian sleeper agent.”

catnip - 1 May 2009

Did she have any phone conversations with Jane Harman?

24. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

U.S. to Drop Spy Case Against Pro-Israel Lobbyists

WASHINGTON – The Obama Justice Department moved Friday to drop all charges against two former pro-Israel lobbyists who had been charged under the Espionage Act with improperly disseminating sensitive information.


Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman, who were lobbyists with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a leading pro-Israel lobby, were charged with violating the World War I-era Espionage Act. The indictment said they violated the law by disseminating to journalists, fellow Aipac employees and Israeli diplomats information they had learned in conversations with senior Bush administration officials.

Judge T.S. Ellis 3d, who was to preside over the trial rejected several government efforts to conceal classified information if the case went to trial. Moreover, he ruled that the government could only prevail if it met a high standard; he said prosecutors would have to demonstrate that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman knew that their distribution of the information would harm U.S. national security.

Over government objections, Judge Ellis said that the defense could call as witnesses several senior Bush administration foreign policy officials to demonstrate that what occurred was part of the ongoing process of information trading and did not involve anything nefarious. The defense lawyers were to call as witnesses Condoleezza Rice, the former secretary of state, Stephen J. Hadley, the former national security advisers and several others. Government policymakers indicated they were clearly uncomfortable with senior officials testifying in open court over policy deliberations.

I think that “Invisibility Cloak” that researchers are working on will prove to be the ultimate tool for the New Government Transparency!

25. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Dismissal of AIPAC case in moderation?

catnip - 1 May 2009

More CYA:

The AIPAC case has always been controversial, and it came to public attention again with the recent disclosure that a prominent House lawmaker, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif), had been recorded in 2006 on FBI wiretaps allegedly offering to use her influence on behalf of Rosen and Weissman.

Harman strongly denied the allegations and accused the government of an “abuse of power” in wiretapping her conversations. Law enforcement sources have said the review of the case was triggered by the recent court rulings and was unrelated to the revelations about Harman.

If the high-profile trial had gone forward, it was expected to feature testimony from a number of senior Bush administration officials, including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, former national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, and former high-level Defense Department officials Paul D. Wolfowitz and Douglas J. Feith.

Seems kind of fishy:

Dana J. Boente, the acting U.S. Attorney in Alexandria, said this morning that prosecutors were abandoning the case because of “the diminished likelihood the government will prevail at trial under the additional intent requirements imposed by the court and the inevitable disclosure of classified information that would occur at any trial.” Prosecutors have filed a motion to dismiss the indictment, which must be approved by a federal judge.

Looks like it was politically manufactured to fail.

catnip - 1 May 2009
26. catnip - 1 May 2009
27. NYCO - 1 May 2009

Aaaaannnd…. they’re off!

A carpenters union held a protest today over what it said were illegal immigrants who worked on the expansion of the Carousel Center mall.

Seven members of the Empire State Regional Council of Carpenters stood at the corner of Hiawatha Boulevard and Solar Street wearing masks and handing out leaflets that said, “Is this site still infected with undocumented workers?”

Brian Noteboom, council representative, said the union wanted to draw attention to media reports that six illegal immigrants — four Bolivians, an Argentinean and a Mexican — working at the mall expansion were arrested by federal agents in early March.

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

May Day rallies reignite immigration debate. Leaders of groups on both sides of the immigration debate plan marches throughout the day.

While group leaders from both sides of the issue said they wouldn’t let fears of swine flu – including reports of two probable Orange County cases – scare them away from standing up for what they believe, some braced for a lower turnout and urged activists who feel sick to stay home.

Kind of a quandary for the most virulent anti-immigration types, eh?

28. marisacat - 1 May 2009


IB and catnip out of Moderation…


29. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009


30. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Well, the Schenectady County flu samples came back negative.

And it turns out the Hudson River exercise is a bomb disposal drill aboard a boat that’s normally used for blues-and-booze cruises.

No flying monkeys this time!

marisacat - 1 May 2009

Hidden down in an AP article at NYT last night was:

300 confirmed cases in Mexico with 12 confirmed deaths from whatever they are calling Swine Flu, H1N1 A.

Now obviously people died.. and certainly people died in La Gloria… and they have stated they are not exhuming the bodies of the 3 infants who died before little Edgar Hernandez got sick and recovered…

so what will we know, ever…

catnip - 1 May 2009

A CBC teevee anchor said today that their station will continue to call it swine flu even though others have reverted to H1N1 for “political” reasons. I imagine there’ll be some blowback over that.

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Hog farmers should get some pigs on camera, farting in CBC’s general direction.

31. cad - 1 May 2009

Hi folks, been awhile!

Just perused a top DK diary by one of their increasing marketing trolls who think of politics amd culture as something to be “branded” and sold like toilet paper. But the irony-challenged at DK jump in to bow at the feet of propaganda and manipulation.

Seriously, the comments are the saddest ever. Variations of “I love branding and am fascinated by the wonders of soulless ad men pimping — I am your target audience! Lie to me!”

Then they claim advertising has no effect on them when it comes to Chevron ads. Irony!

Bill Hicks would have been banned at Kos for his brilliant “If you’re in marketing, kill yourself.”


marisacat - 1 May 2009

hey hey cad!

Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Hi cad!

I noticed they were having a nostalgia fest over there the other day, and I bookmarked the comment below to see what would happen. Just called it up again, and ooh la la!

Where the fuck is Maryscott? (84+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Bob Johnson, wozzle, claude, MoDem, Ed in Montana, zeke L, opendna, Terri, JR, Rayne, GreenSooner, pHunbalanced, mattman, TechBob, worried sick, ThirstyGator, Ed Tracey, denniswine, polecat, kdub, Sandy on Signal, SallyCat, scribe, TheMomCat, ReneInOregon, bronte17, ladydawg, Dont Just Stand There, vmibran, khloemi, Ignacio Magaloni, Larry Bailey, L0kI, not lois, high uintas, Melanchthon, mayan, jhwygirl, TexDem, oldjohnbrown, lezlie, MaggieEh, On The Bus, betson08, snakelass, NapaJulie, joanneleon, mrmango, Bluesee, bellevie, el dorado gal, SherwoodB, basquebob, MT Spaces, stagemom, Turkana, Karmafish, Ice Blue, QuickSilver, Skid, playtonjr, ohcanada, orphanpower, Uthaclena, Yellow Canary, JVolvo, shaharazade, markthshark, BentLiberal, yoduuuh do or do not, dclawyer06, MI Sooner, jayden, vbdietz, Terra Mystica, Dem in the heart of Texas, Youffraita, shortgirl, FudgeFighter, awcomeon, ericlewis0, alexa100, Bankdaily, curtisgrahamduff

This diary needs some Maryscott, Marisacat and Madman in the Marketplace.

Godwin is dead. Glenn Beck killed him.

by Dallasdoc on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 08:23:58 PM PDT

marisacat - 1 May 2009

HA! The “M” file…


cad - 1 May 2009

I don’t doubt they’re nostalgic for the days when they had actual progressives on the site that they could troll…

Boo Yah!

The few times I’ve popped over I’ve seen hilarious diaries on How To Be A Good Kossack. The hall monitors lay out their rules (lurk before speaking; you might get attacked but the community here protects you) and other authortarianistic bullshit. And the sucking up that follows…

32. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Happy May Day, everyone.

Clashes have broken out in a number of countries as unions used traditional May Day marches to protest against the handling of the global economic crisis.

33. catnip - 1 May 2009

Uh oh. There’s Robert Gibbs on my teevee. IV caffeine stat!

34. marisacat - 1 May 2009

Meet the Press: Sen. Specter, HHS Sec. Sebelius, DHS Sec. Napolitano, CDC Acting Dir. Dr. Besser. Roundtable: Joe Scarborough and former counselor to President Bush Ed Gillespie

This Week: Napolitano, Sebelius, Besser, Sens. Leahy, Hatch. Roundtable: Paul Krugman, Gwen Ifill, Gerald Seib, George Will.

Face the Nation: Specter, Sebelius, Napolitano, Besser.

Fox News Sunday: Sebelius, Napolitano, Besser, Sens. Durbin, Ensign.

State of the Union: Sebelius, Napolitano, Besser, Sen. Leahy, Rep. Cantor, Mitt Romney, former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart, former Rep. Molinari.

Plus: Secretary Gates on CNN’s “GPS” following “State of the Union.”

35. Intermittent Bystander - 1 May 2009

Apparently United Airlines thinks it’s Fluzilla!

Woman’s ‘flu-like symptoms’ divert plane to Boston.

36. marisacat - 1 May 2009

Sighting Gibbs, for any reason, one word that would nto occur to me would be COOL. Lordy.

POTUS Interrupts Press Briefing to Announce Souter’s Retirement, Announce Qualifications for Next Supreme

May 01, 2009 3:45 PM

ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:

“If there’s a job to do, you’ve got to do it yourself,” President Obama said as he interrupted White House press secretary Robert Gibbs’ daily press briefing today.

“See you guys later, have a good weekend,” Gibbs joked, stepping off the platform and to the side.

“This is kind of cool, Robert,” said the president as he took the podium.

“It’s way cooler than it seems,” Gibbs said.

“Yes, absolutely,” agreed the president.

“The reason I am interrupting Robert is not because he’s not doing a good job, he’s doing an unbelievable job,” the president said, “but it’s because I just got off the phone with Justice (David) Souter and I would like to say a few words about his decision to retire from the Supreme Court.” …snip…

It is a pretty unbelievable job Gibbs is doing… 😈

37. marisacat - 1 May 2009



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